Re: iPad app store

2012-11-07 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Thanks for the support.  Speaking literally, and not sarcasticly, it's 
comforting to know someone doesn't find me stupid.


I really do appreciate the response.

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- Original Message - 
From: Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 6:14 PM
Subject: iPad app store


I'm only going to weigh into this discussion by saying that I too am having 
the problems Chris described. I'm running an iPad 2 gen with 6.01. I can 
only get to one of the search results after pressing search. The pop up 
above the search field does populate, but double tapping on anything 
produces the message that there are no results. Interesting some people are 
not having this problem. I'm going to write to Apple about it and hopefully 
it will be fixed soon.

Cheers all
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Re: iPad app store

2012-11-07 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Hey Cheree, I don't know how to do this with the IPad,but with the IPhone at 
least, I definitely! can show you.  It's a little weird, but it is extremely 
doable.  I do it all the time!


OK, so, on your 4S, at least, what you need to do, is after you bring the 
page up for your first result, tap near the very bottom center of the 
screen, if it helps, I don't know how much, if any, vision that you have, 
but if you have enough to see the little thumbnail picture of the artwork 
for the app, what you need is immediately just directly below that.  it's 
basically gonna be right between that artwork, and your home key.  If you 
can't see it, it is a flickable item, so don't worry.  If push comes to 
shove, you definitely! can flick to it.  You will see that there is an 
adjuster.  It'll say something like 1 of 45, or 1 of 200, or whatever.  Now, 
what you want to do is on that adjuster, just like you would do normally, 
just one finger flick up to get to the next result, and one finger flick 
down to get to the previous one.  Be sure you're focused on that adjuster 
though before you virtically flick.  Otherwise, you're gonna be moving the 
currently set rotor setting like words, headings, characters, etc.


Again, no dice for the IPad.  I will say that Chris from Apple did call me 
back yesterday, around 6, rigbht before he left for the day, and he told me 
that he, his boss, and about 5 or 6 others had a staff meeting which he 
himself requested, to discuss the stores IPad accessibility moving forward, 
as he too agreed since I O S 6.anything came out, it's somewhat climbed down 
hill in Voiceover support.  In this meeting, he told me one of the key 
outline discussions did revolve around my exact problem.  He definitely did 
send it up to engineering.  I'd encourage all of you guys to also write, and 
have them create you a case number like Chris did for me, this way it's not 
just an oh, we'll send it up.  You need to insist that they give you a case 
number.  I think the more people who do this, the better.  They are? now 
definitely, if nothing else, at least from me, aware the issue's there, but 
they're not gonna do anything with just one person.  I promise you they 
won't.  I didn't say one person can't make a difference, so don't read me 
out of context.  I simply said, one person might make a difference, yes, but 
only if others also report the bug/breakage.  Let's not bombard them, but, 
let's really pull together and let's all let them know.  Regardless if they 
care or not really at this point is not an issue.  Let's let them know, then 
if they choose to not act on it, then, we'll bitch, but until then, let's 
see what they say.


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- Original Message - 
From: Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: iPad app store


Cheree Heppe here:
Same with me on an iphone  4s, ipadd 2 and ipad mini.
Totally unusable.

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 06/11/2012, at 15:14, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
wrote:


I'm only going to weigh into this discussion by saying that I too am 
having the problems Chris described. I'm running an iPad 2 gen with 6.01. 
I can only get to one of the search results after pressing search. The pop 
up above the search field does populate, but double tapping on anything 
produces the message that there are no results. Interesting some people 
are not having this problem. I'm going to write to Apple about it and 
hopefully it will be fixed soon.

Cheers all
Lisette

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Re:

2012-11-07 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I'm not openning this until I know first what it is, seeing you had nothing 
in your subject line either.


LOL!  Smile.

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Re: Blocking Email Senders?

2012-11-07 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
David,

I could not agree with you more.  I will say however that I wish to not reveal 
whether the person I'm referring to blocking was on that list or not.  That 
really isn't anyone's business on this list.

Having said that though, I will warn people on here that David is correct on 
what he is writing regarding the N V D A list having some pretty bad messages 
lately.  I don't feel however it's my place nor duty to say any thing more 
publicly to cause the other list more public embarrassment.

If you have further questions regarding what David and I are talking about, 
write either of us privately off list and we'll explain, on a very G rated 
level, as much as we can.  I just don't think it's fair to bash another list 
publicly on a totally irrelavant list like this one.  Ya know?

God bless, and have an excellent morning!

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  - Original Message - 
  From: David Tanner 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:15 PM
  Subject: Re: Blocking Email Senders?


  This is far from the first time this list has turned into a disgusting place 
to be.  I have recommended NVDA, I have interviewed Mike several times for 
MainMenu, and I have a lot of respect for him, and for the entire development 
team.  But, I have to say that given the ongoing problems with this mailinglist 
I hesitate to recommend that anyone interested in NVDA subscribe to this list 
because there is far to high a chance that they will see some of the most 
disgusting dirt on this list that one could see anywhere.  And, if I were the 
developers of NVDA they would do well to insist that this list either be 
cleaned up or go away.

- Original Message - 
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Blocking Email Senders?


OK, but this sender, believe me, I have a damn good idea who she's 
referring to, is persistent!  If he finds you're not answerring him for a 
reason or another, he'll create a fake e-mail and then harass you with it.  I 
probably have over literally 200 e-mail address he's created which by me 
reading the e-mail headers, I found out it was actually him.  I wish I could 
block e-mail regardless the address, coming from a particular I P address, but 
I don't think that's possible on any! O S.  Even if it was, his I P is not 
static.  I think it's dynamic, so, there went that idea.  Unfortunately, my I S 
P won't do anything about it either.

Chris.


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  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret Jr 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:19 AM
  Subject: Re: Blocking Email Senders?


  I have found that setting up a rule which causes all unwanted e-mails 
from an undesirable sender to be deleted works fairly well; though, not 
perfectly. 




  Sincerely, 
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!


  Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!


  Skype name:
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  On Nov 6, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Hi, all,

I'm being inundated with spam by a particular email address. I'm 
wondering how to block it, as I'm getting messages every five minutes.

Thanks,

Teresa

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Re: Re:

2012-11-07 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I didn't open it, Ray.  This day in age, if I dont' get an explanatikon as for 
what a link is, I don't open it on my Mac, nor my Windows machine, in fear it 
could cause an infection.

I wrote the poster and asked what it was.  If they step up to the plate and 
tell me, I might... key word... might... open it.  but until then, no.  I won't.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret Jr 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:53 PM
  Subject: Re:


  And the purpose of this message is?




  Sincerely,
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  Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!


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  On Nov 6, 2012, at 8:20 PM, May McDonald mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:


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Re: Blocking Email Senders?

2012-11-07 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
mauricio,

I could not agree with you more!  And for all who have helped me, thank you all 
immensely!

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Mauricio Almeida 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:59 PM
  Subject: Re: Blocking Email Senders?


  true that, i was gonna say huh?
  true that in this list we got the trash talkers who think they are kings too, 
but i can say 99,9% of people here have been awesome to me.


  mauricio

  On Nov 6, 2012, at 10:58 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:


Uh, David, perhaps you don't realize; but, this is the Mac Vissionaries 
list, not NVDA.  Seems to me like a misdirected message or something.




Sincerely,
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Skype name:
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On Nov 6, 2012, at 9:15 PM, David Tanner david.tanner...@gmail.com 
wrote:


  This is far from the first time this list has turned into a disgusting 
place to be.  I have recommended NVDA, I have interviewed Mike several times 
for MainMenu, and I have a lot of respect for him, and for the entire 
development team.  But, I have to say that given the ongoing problems with this 
mailinglist I hesitate to recommend that anyone interested in NVDA subscribe to 
this list because there is far to high a chance that they will see some of the 
most disgusting dirt on this list that one could see anywhere.  And, if I were 
the developers of NVDA they would do well to insist that this list either be 
cleaned up or go away.

- Original Message -
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Blocking Email Senders?


OK, but this sender, believe me, I have a damn good idea who she's 
referring to, is persistent!  If he finds you're not answerring him for a 
reason or another, he'll create a fake e-mail and then harass you with it.  I 
probably have over literally 200 e-mail address he's created which by me 
reading the e-mail headers, I found out it was actually him.  I wish I could 
block e-mail regardless the address, coming from a particular I P address, but 
I don't think that's possible on any! O S.  Even if it was, his I P is not 
static.  I think it's dynamic, so, there went that idea.  Unfortunately, my I S 
P won't do anything about it either.

Chris.


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  - Original Message -
  From: Ray Foret Jr
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:19 AM
  Subject: Re: Blocking Email Senders?


  I have found that setting up a rule which causes all unwanted e-mails 
from an undesirable sender to be deleted works fairly well; though, not 
perfectly.




  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!


  Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!


  Skype name:
  barefootedray


  On Nov 6, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Teresa Cochran 
vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi, all,

I'm being inundated with spam by a particular email address. I'm 
wondering how to block it, as I'm getting messages every five minutes.

Thanks,

Teresa

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Re: Re:

2012-11-07 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

May,

It's perfectly ok.  Don't worry about it.  Things happen.  I do appreciate 
you letting us know.  LOL!  Have a great day, and don't stress over it. 
Smile.


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- Original Message - 
From: May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 12:26 AM
Subject: Re:


Something to ignore. Think my gmail account was compromised. So might have 
to get a new one.


So don't need loads of messages about the email that went out. I just got 
to my emails and noticed this. So sorry to all for the strange email from 
my account.

May and Prince Noah
Personal Playground
www.canadianlynx.ca
m...@canadianlynx.ca

On 2012-11-06, at 10:53 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:


And the purpose of this message is?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

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Apple Mobile Configurater

2012-11-07 Thread erik burggraaf
 Hi,  If you have any experience in this regard, could you please hit reply 
 all so that the responses go to barry as well as to the list.

Thanks,

 Hi folks,
  
 I’ve just had a brief meeting with my manager.  He has asked me if I’d be 
 willing to take on an Apple project in work.  We’ll be rolling out iPads  
 iPhones to some employees.  He’s looked at Apple Mobile Configurator for 
 building/pushing images/apps to IOS devices.
  
 Have any of you heard of /used this application ?  If so how did it fly with 
 Voiceover?
  
 He’s talking about purchasing an Apple mini and leaving this on my desk with 
 a KVM switch.
  
 Regards,
 Barry.
  
 Barry Toner
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Re: Apple Mobile Configurater

2012-11-07 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Amazing, I know this person, didn't know he was in to apple devices. Smile.

Kawal.

On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:24 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:

 Hi,  If you have any experience in this regard, could you please hit reply 
 all so that the responses go to barry as well as to the list.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Hi folks,
  
 I’ve just had a brief meeting with my manager.  He has asked me if I’d be 
 willing to take on an Apple project in work.  We’ll be rolling out iPads  
 iPhones to some employees.  He’s looked at Apple Mobile Configurator for 
 building/pushing images/apps to IOS devices.
  
 Have any of you heard of /used this application ?  If so how did it fly with 
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Re: Blocking Email Senders?

2012-11-07 Thread Teresa Cochran
Hi all,

My problem has indeed had to do with a spam bot on a list, though in this case, 
I no longer subscribe to the NVDA list. In any case, spam bots are no doubt 
making the rounds, and can strike any list, including this one. I've just 
received word that this bot has been removed from the Blinux list. I don't 
think it's embarrassing, as it's spam and everyone knows it, so I'm outing it. 
I think this will be a continuing problem with email lists, so I'd say be 
prepared for the onslaught.

Teresa

On Nov 7, 2012, at 2:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 mauricio,
  
 I could not agree with you more!  And for all who have helped me, thank you 
 all immensely!
  
 Thank you kindly,
  
 Christopher-Mark Gilland.
 Founder of CLG Productions
  
 Blog:
 http://www.clgproductions.org
  
 Podcast:
 http://clgproductions.podhoster.com
  
 E-mail:
 ch...@clgproductions.com
  
 IMessage/Facetime:
 theblindmusic...@att.net
  
 Windows Live Messenger:
 ch...@blindperspectives.net
  
 Twitter:
 @gilland_chris
  
 Facebook:
 http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland
  
 Skype:
 twinklesfriend2007
  
 Send me a fax from any standard fax machine:
 704-697-2069
  
 Google Voice: (Please use sparingly):
 980-272-8570
  
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Mauricio Almeida
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:59 PM
 Subject: Re: Blocking Email Senders?
 
 true that, i was gonna say huh?
 true that in this list we got the trash talkers who think they are kings too, 
 but i can say 99,9% of people here have been awesome to me.
 
 mauricio
 On Nov 6, 2012, at 10:58 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:
 
 Uh, David, perhaps you don't realize; but, this is the Mac Vissionaries 
 list, not NVDA.  Seems to me like a misdirected message or something.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Nov 6, 2012, at 9:15 PM, David Tanner david.tanner...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This is far from the first time this list has turned into a disgusting 
 place to be.  I have recommended NVDA, I have interviewed Mike several 
 times for MainMenu, and I have a lot of respect for him, and for the entire 
 development team.  But, I have to say that given the ongoing problems with 
 this mailinglist I hesitate to recommend that anyone interested in NVDA 
 subscribe to this list because there is far to high a chance that they will 
 see some of the most disgusting dirt on this list that one could see 
 anywhere.  And, if I were the developers of NVDA they would do well to 
 insist that this list either be cleaned up or go away.
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:40 AM
 Subject: Re: Blocking Email Senders?
 
 OK, but this sender, believe me, I have a damn good idea who she's 
 referring to, is persistent!  If he finds you're not answerring him for a 
 reason or another, he'll create a fake e-mail and then harass you with it.  
 I probably have over literally 200 e-mail address he's created which by me 
 reading the e-mail headers, I found out it was actually him.  I wish I 
 could block e-mail regardless the address, coming from a particular I P 
 address, but I don't think that's possible on any! O S.  Even if it was, 
 his I P is not static.  I think it's dynamic, so, there went that idea.  
 Unfortunately, my I S P won't do anything about it either.
  
 Chris.
  
 
 Thank you kindly,
  
 Christopher-Mark Gilland.
 Founder of CLG Productions
  
 Blog:
 http://www.clgproductions.org
  
 Podcast:
 http://clgproductions.podhoster.com
  
 E-mail:
 ch...@clgproductions.com
  
 IMessage/Facetime:
 theblindmusic...@att.net
  
 Windows Live Messenger:
 ch...@blindperspectives.net
  
 Twitter:
 @gilland_chris
  
 Facebook:
 http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland
  
 Skype:
 twinklesfriend2007
  
 Send me a fax from any standard fax machine:
 704-697-2069
  
 Google Voice: (Please use sparingly):
 980-272-8570
  
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Ray Foret Jr
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:19 AM
 Subject: Re: Blocking Email Senders?
 
 I have found that setting up a rule which causes all unwanted e-mails from 
 an undesirable sender to be deleted works fairly well; though, not 
 perfectly.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Nov 6, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, all,
 
 I'm being inundated with spam by a particular email address. I'm wondering 
 how to block it, as I'm getting messages every five minutes.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: iPad app store

2012-11-07 Thread matthew Dyer
I just did a test here on my 3gs and found that there is an area whare over 71 
choices are pressent and when swipping down  does not show me the other 
results.  Is this what you are having problems with?  Just trying to see if I 
can duplocate this problem.  Thanks.


On Nov 6, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

 Cheree Heppe here:
 Same with me on an iphone  4s, ipadd 2 and ipad mini.
 Totally unusable.
 
 Sent from my IPhone 4S
 
 On 06/11/2012, at 15:14, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm only going to weigh into this discussion by saying that I too am having 
 the problems Chris described. I'm running an iPad 2 gen with 6.01. I can 
 only get to one of the search results after pressing search. The pop up 
 above the search field does populate, but double tapping on anything 
 produces the message that there are no results. Interesting some people are 
 not having this problem. I'm going to write to Apple about it and hopefully 
 it will be fixed soon.
 Cheers all
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Menu Tab and Facebook Notes?

2012-11-07 Thread Teresa Cochran
Hi all,

I use Facebook Notes quite a lot to write mini-blogs to my friends. I'm 
wondering if Menu Tab works with these? I can't find the option at all.

Thanks,
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Re: Finder's oddities causing problems for a new user

2012-11-07 Thread Cheryl Homiak
Yes, also remember that you can change the view pretty easily though I know 
that's an added step if you have to do it.

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and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)



On Nov 7, 2012, at 7:41 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I find cmd-shift-g easier for me, but this guy would not like that solution 
 so I'm hoping for a simpler one. I forgot that volumes appear on the desktop 
 once mounted, that's something to look into.
 On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:35 AM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Okay, Now I see why you are using cmd-shift-g. I think if you just opened 
 the drive on the desktop it might ultimately be easier and your view 
 shouldn't change. But if you think it's easier to do cmd-shift-g, you can 
 type part of the / Vol and tab and it will complete and you can just do the 
 whole path from there. You probably know what I mean but type:
 /Vaol (tab) yourdrive (tab), etc. Then if you need to access it more than 
 once, you just leave the window open and cmd-accent to it. 
 
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 May the words of my mouth
 and the meditation of my heart
 be acceptable to You, Lord,
 my rock and my Redeemer.
 (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
 
 
 
 On Nov 6, 2012, at 10:15 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Why are you using cmd-shift-g and typing? Just open the window the books 
 are coming from and open the window they are going to. Then Do cmd-c to 
 copy and cmd-accent to go to the other window and cmd-v to paste. And i 
 suspect if your view is changing, there's a reason; I could be wrong but I 
 don't think it's an oddity that happens without reason. But I am afraid 
 that without more information I can't tell you why it's happening.
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 May the words of my mouth
 and the meditation of my heart
 be acceptable to You, Lord,
 my rock and my Redeemer.
 (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
 
 
 
 On Nov 6, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I'm still helping my friend with the new iMac. Last week we worked on 
 moving downloaded and unzipped Bard books to an NLS cartridge. 
 Unfortunately, Finder didn't cooperate, sometimes changing its view mode 
 so that keystrokes I was trying to teach him no longer worked. The problem 
 came in getting from the downloads folder, where the books are, to the 
 cartridge's root. Personally I just hit cmd-shift-g, type in /volumes, and 
 go on my way, but I was hoping for a simpler system to teach. So, is there 
 a way to lock everything into whatever view lets us left arrow to volumes 
 and then down arrow to the cartridge? Failing that, is there a way I could 
 hack together a script, to be triggered with a keystroke, which would do 
 the copying automatically? Thanks.
 
 
 Have a great day,
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Re: An Update From Assistiveware Regarding Infovox Ivox Demo Voices

2012-11-07 Thread Maria Joe Chapman
HI.  oh cool. I thought i was the only one having this problem.

So, I'm not the only one, at least they are looking in to it.

I wonder if we'll be able to get another trial of the voices we activated for a 
trial?


God Bless! Maria from australia
 Newbie mac user.
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
will get you fb as well as email  iMessage.   
skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 









On 07/11/2012, at 5:48 AM, Shawn Krasniuk bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello everyone. As promised, here is what Assistiveware says about the issue 
 we're experiencing.
 
 
 
 
 From:
 AssistiveWare (Martijn)
 To:
 bigbigshawn@gmail.com
 Subject:
 AW {37345} RE: New Voices Giving Me Demo Messages
 ## Reply ABOVE THIS LINE to add a note to this request ##
 Request updateView the complete request
 Dear Shawn,
 
 We're investigating the problem at the moment. The cause may be in the 
 internet connection. Since the hurricane the connection to eastern US is not 
 that good. Infovox iVox has a one minute time-out on contacting the server 
 for demo purposes. This may be too fast at the moment.
 
 I would like to ask you some additional questions. If you could take the time 
 to answer them this would be great.
 
 - Did you upgrade from Infovox iVox version 3.0, or was Infovox iVox 3.1 a 
 new installation of your computer.
 
 - Did you stop and restart the application that says this is an evaluation 
 version? This might be Voice Over.
 
 - Did you restart the computer, and if so, does the problem persist after the 
 restart?
 
 With kind regards,
 
 Martijn
 
 Check your request online: 
 https://support.assistiveware.com/index.php?pg=request.checkid=37345woczpiid=37345woczpi
 Request access key: 37345woczpi
 
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my white Mac Book
 
 
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Some advanced help with msgs on Mac

2012-11-07 Thread Traci
Hi all,

I'm wondering if there is a clever trick to help me out with the following, and 
I just don't know it. Lol!  Maybe a hotspot or something.

Anyway, I'm finding in the messages app, I'm uncertain who I'm composing my 
message to.  I'd like a keystroke where voiceover will confirm the message's 
recipient.  I tried vo-shift-I, but that just informed me I was in the messages 
app.  I'm going to try a hotspot next, to see if that will work.

If you all have any ideas, please reply.

Thanks,
Traci
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Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?

2012-11-07 Thread Mike M
Calling all geeks!
I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach 
myself how to use Terminal.
I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see 
if you guys had some resources that you could recommend.
I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives

Mike 

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Re: Some advanced help with msgs on Mac

2012-11-07 Thread Chris Bruinenberg
When composing a message.
You can vo to the left and there is a table that will say whom your composing 
the message to.
I wonder if you could put a hotspot there and then vo j to the edit box.
I'll try this later on today.

Chris Bruinenberg
cbrui...@gmail.com



On Nov 7, 2012, at 9:13 AM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I'm wondering if there is a clever trick to help me out with the following, 
 and I just don't know it. Lol!  Maybe a hotspot or something.
 
 Anyway, I'm finding in the messages app, I'm uncertain who I'm composing my 
 message to.  I'd like a keystroke where voiceover will confirm the message's 
 recipient.  I tried vo-shift-I, but that just informed me I was in the 
 messages app.  I'm going to try a hotspot next, to see if that will work.
 
 If you all have any ideas, please reply.
 
 Thanks,
 Traci
 Sent by Macbook Air Mail
 
 
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Re: Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?

2012-11-07 Thread Brandon Olivares
It really depends on what you want to know. I don't have any ersources, but 
know a lot about using terminal, so ask whatever questions you might have.

Brandon

Azavia Technologies


On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Mike M blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote:

 Calling all geeks!
   I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach 
 myself how to use Terminal.
   I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see 
 if you guys had some resources that you could recommend.
   I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives
 
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Foursquare connected app helps fill a database of accessibility information for the disabled

2012-11-07 Thread David Hole
Hi folks.

I just came across this article about a new project called Accessible
Together, wich seems quite intresting.
Read about it here:
http://aboutfoursquare.com/access-together-foursquare/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+AboutFoursquare+%28About+Foursquare%29utm_content=Google+Reader
I just tried adding some information, but it felt a bit slow with
VoiceOver, so I'll report that.

-David

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local mail boxes not showing up?

2012-11-07 Thread matthew Dyer
Hi all,

I just created several mail boxes in the on my mac section, but do not see 
them.  I have a set of message rooles putting messages into thees mail boxes, 
but for some reason when going through the mail voxes table they do not show 
up.  Any ideas on how to fix this?  Thanks.

Matthew


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Re: Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?

2012-11-07 Thread Chris Blouch
Terminal/unix has been around for decades so there is lore stretching 
back to the beginnings of computer science. It's sort of like asking if 
anyone has any favorite recipes. There are millions of ways to combine 
the same ingredients. Best things to ask is how to solve a specific 
problem. For example, I was just reading about using netcat which allows 
you to pipe data between two commands over a network. So on one machine 
somebody was doing tar of a huge file archive and sending that output to 
netcat and on another machine they were taking that data in from the 
network using netcat and then un-tarring it. Turned out to be multiples 
faster than just copying files the regular way and avoids having to 
temporarily store a huge archive file before transferring. Another 
recent item was my attempt to archive a web site so I could access it 
locally. I came up with


wget -mcrpk -o process.log http://www.sitetoarchive.com

which crawls the whole thing and stores it in the current directory. 
Then there is the whole thing of MacPorts giving simple installation on 
OSX for piles of open source packages. Right now I'm fiddling with 
bootpd to get my osx box to respond to bootp requests to try and get the 
web interface on my APC UPS to pick up a network address. Anyone do this 
before?


CB

On 11/7/12 1:10 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

It really depends on what you want to know. I don't have any ersources, but 
know a lot about using terminal, so ask whatever questions you might have.

Brandon

Azavia Technologies


On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Mike M blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote:


Calling all geeks!
I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach 
myself how to use Terminal.
I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see 
if you guys had some resources that you could recommend.
I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives

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anyone tried Apple Hardware Test?

2012-11-07 Thread Alex Hall
Hi all,
In doing more digging on the spontaneous restart problem, I discovered an 
option that lets you boot into a hardware test program. I expect it to be 
accessible, but I am wondering if anyone has ever tried it? It would be my luck 
to boot into this mode, run into accessibility problems, and have no way to 
exit it except to shut down (and who knows what I might damage by forcing a 
shutdown in the middle of a hardware test).


Have a great day,
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Re: anyone tried Apple Hardware Test?

2012-11-07 Thread John Panarese
To my knowledge, it's not accessible.  It's a very old application.  
However, if it has been fixed, then I stand corrected.  As far as I know, 
though, it can't be used with VO.


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On Nov 7, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 In doing more digging on the spontaneous restart problem, I discovered an 
 option that lets you boot into a hardware test program. I expect it to be 
 accessible, but I am wondering if anyone has ever tried it? It would be my 
 luck to boot into this mode, run into accessibility problems, and have no way 
 to exit it except to shut down (and who knows what I might damage by forcing 
 a shutdown in the middle of a hardware test).
 
 
 Have a great day,
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Re: An Update From Assistiveware Regarding Infovox Ivox Demo Voices

2012-11-07 Thread Cheryl Homiak
No, I had the same problem and wrote them about it too and they told me the 
same thing. I ended up uninstalling Ella but I bought Will since I already have 
a lot of the English U.S. and English British voices and Spanish voices and 
know that I like them. Their customer service is usally very helpful.


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and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
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On Nov 7, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Maria  Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote:

 HI.  oh cool. I thought i was the only one having this problem.
 
 So, I'm not the only one, at least they are looking in to it.
 
 I wonder if we'll be able to get another trial of the voices we activated for 
 a trial?
 
 
 God Bless! Maria from australia
  Newbie mac user.
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 will get you fb as well as email  iMessage.   
 skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 07/11/2012, at 5:48 AM, Shawn Krasniuk bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone. As promised, here is what Assistiveware says about the issue 
 we're experiencing.
 
 
 
 
 From:
 AssistiveWare (Martijn)
 To:
 bigbigshawn@gmail.com
 Subject:
 AW {37345} RE: New Voices Giving Me Demo Messages
 ## Reply ABOVE THIS LINE to add a note to this request ##
 Request update   View the complete request
 Dear Shawn,
 
 We're investigating the problem at the moment. The cause may be in the 
 internet connection. Since the hurricane the connection to eastern US is not 
 that good. Infovox iVox has a one minute time-out on contacting the server 
 for demo purposes. This may be too fast at the moment.
 
 I would like to ask you some additional questions. If you could take the 
 time to answer them this would be great.
 
 - Did you upgrade from Infovox iVox version 3.0, or was Infovox iVox 3.1 a 
 new installation of your computer.
 
 - Did you stop and restart the application that says this is an evaluation 
 version? This might be Voice Over.
 
 - Did you restart the computer, and if so, does the problem persist after 
 the restart?
 
 With kind regards,
 
 Martijn
 
 Check your request online: 
 https://support.assistiveware.com/index.php?pg=request.checkid=37345woczpiid=37345woczpi
 Request access key: 37345woczpi
 
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my white Mac Book
 
 
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Store News Equivalent

2012-11-07 Thread Emilio S. Hernandez
Hello everyone, 

Can anyone direct me to a store news equivalent because the app no longer 
allows direct access to the app store directly. 
Any great suggested alternative would be wonderful. 
Thanks guys. Happy typing. 

Sent from Emilio's  iPhone

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Re: Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?

2012-11-07 Thread Cheryl Homiak
There's a take Control book on using terminal in Mac.

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On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Brandon Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote:

 It really depends on what you want to know. I don't have any ersources, but 
 know a lot about using terminal, so ask whatever questions you might have.
 
 Brandon
 
 Azavia Technologies
 
 
 On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Mike M blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Calling all geeks!
  I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach 
 myself how to use Terminal.
  I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see 
 if you guys had some resources that you could recommend.
  I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives
 
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blind friendly flatbed scanners? any ideas?

2012-11-07 Thread Eric Oyen
hello everyone.

I seem to be running into the google too much information problem. I am looking 
for a blind friendly scanner that will be supported under OS X (as well as 
windows 7+ with jaws). I need this information for a technology requisition. so 
far, I keep getting hits on scanners that are marketed under the intel name 
(intel reader) and a number of canon models, HP, epson, brother and others. 
unfortunately, looking at the sites for a lot of these devices, there doesn't 
seem top be any reference to being blind accessible, let alone being supported 
with either OS X (and voiceover) or windows (with jaws). 

some of the sites (like hp) have so many graphics that navigating them is 
confusing. 

any suggestions from here would greatly help my search. I really need to get 
the ball rolling on this before the end of this month.

thanks.

-eric

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Re: blind friendly flatbed scanners? any ideas?

2012-11-07 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Hi Eric
I've used a canon Lide 70 for years and it's about as blind simple/friendly as 
you can get. I use it with JAWS and OPen Book, which I know is not available 
for the Mac. I know many blind people use these lide scanners very happily.
This may give you a lead at least concerning Mac scanning programmes. 
Lisette

On 8/11/2012, at 11:24 AM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:

 hello everyone.
 
 I seem to be running into the google too much information problem. I am 
 looking for a blind friendly scanner that will be supported under OS X (as 
 well as windows 7+ with jaws). I need this information for a technology 
 requisition. so far, I keep getting hits on scanners that are marketed under 
 the intel name (intel reader) and a number of canon models, HP, epson, 
 brother and others. unfortunately, looking at the sites for a lot of these 
 devices, there doesn't seem top be any reference to being blind accessible, 
 let alone being supported with either OS X (and voiceover) or windows (with 
 jaws). 
 
 some of the sites (like hp) have so many graphics that navigating them is 
 confusing. 
 
 any suggestions from here would greatly help my search. I really need to get 
 the ball rolling on this before the end of this month.
 
 thanks.
 
 -eric
 
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Re: Infovox iVox adds genuine children's voices to OS X

2012-11-07 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Besides, the chipmunk glitch with the Nuance voices in Mountain Lion has been 
fixed. Now, it just sounds like a chipmunk when it comes across data detectors 
or if you have it set to do a pitch change for capital letters. They sound like 
a giant when you go to an edit field or again, if you have the voices set to do 
a pitch change when you perform a backspace. For me, I have it set to beep when 
reading a capital letter and do nothing when backspacing. I wish they would 
implement the use pitch change feature for everything else like in iOS because 
the data detector stuff and edit fields pitch changes are annoying, especially 
with Alex. And anyway, I can't use the Nuance voices because for some reason 
they crash Chromevox and I have to change to a voice other than Nuance and 
restart the entire Mac to get speech back.

Shawn
Sent from my white Mac Book

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Question about Audio Hijack Pro

2012-11-07 Thread Francisco Salvador Crespo
Hi,

I bought Audio Hijack Pro, but i don't know how to record Skype and any other 
device at the same time and in the same file. I reed that it is possible but id 
on't know how

Thanks,
Francisco Salvador Crespo
Cómo contactarme/How to contact me
Mail, messenger, facebook and IMessaje : crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com
Skype: franciscosabalero
Twitter: http://twitter.com/crespofrancisco

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Re: Infovox iVox adds genuine children's voices to OS X

2012-11-07 Thread Traci
Hey, thanks for the info on the bug.  I din't know about making those changes.  
Where do I find the setting for back spacing? 

Yes, I dislike the data detector thing.

Lol, right now, I'm trying out the voice Micah.  *Grin,* I think he is 
southern, he is cracking me up, and I like him.  My Dad is Texan, so it is 
making me laugh even more.

Traci
Sent by Macbook Air Mail

On Nov 7, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:

 Besides, the chipmunk glitch with the Nuance voices in Mountain Lion has been 
 fixed. Now, it just sounds like a chipmunk when it comes across data 
 detectors or if you have it set to do a pitch change for capital letters. 
 They sound like a giant when you go to an edit field or again, if you have 
 the voices set to do a pitch change when you perform a backspace. For me, I 
 have it set to beep when reading a capital letter and do nothing when 
 backspacing. I wish they would implement the use pitch change feature for 
 everything else like in iOS because the data detector stuff and edit fields 
 pitch changes are annoying, especially with Alex. And anyway, I can't use the 
 Nuance voices because for some reason they crash Chromevox and I have to 
 change to a voice other than Nuance and restart the entire Mac to get speech 
 back.
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my white Mac Book
 
 
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Jaws 14 on VMWare.

2012-11-07 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hello All.

I'm sorry for asking this on list but I'm not sure who else to ask.

I installed jaws 14 on my VMWare machine and it said that the mirror display 
driver had not been installed properly and that I either restart the computer 
or repair the instalation of jaws.

I did restart the virtual machine a couple of times but the message was still 
there.  In the end I removed it as I couldn't find the jaws repair instalation. 
Does anyone know if it has gone or else to look please?

Kawal.

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Other Mainstream Mac Lists

2012-11-07 Thread Agent086b
Hello all, can anybody recommend another good Mac users group? I have some 
unresolved questions that I need help with. They were about displaying fonts on 
screen network printing and some others. Obviously nobody could help on this 
list at the time. Please don't think I am ungrateful
for the support you have given me since moving to the Mac. I don't expect this 
list to know everything. When I was using a PC I belonged to some sited windows 
lists as well as VIP ones. 
So if somebody can point me to a good sited list I would be very grateful.
Thanks as always.,
Max.

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Re: iPad App Store losing sales, alienating

2012-11-07 Thread Cheree Heppe
Cheree Heppe here:

This design in which a tiny area is to be flicked at to advance the app list 
isn't a realistic access methodology.  The structure of the App Store prior to 
IOS 6 worked fine, as did the IBooks store.  Since the change, My perusal and 
purchase of both apps and IBooks has dropped off sharply.  This isn't because I 
don't prefer to look around and to purchase, it's because the access has become 
so chancy and difficult.

Whoever is advising the Apple creative teams on blindness disability may 
deserve a second hard look.  This is because when Apple opened its 
accessibility window for blind users, it completely derailed some entrenched 
and very expensive blindness products and made the major Windows screen readers 
look clumsy and badly designed.

You don't suppose those blindness bastions are going to take that lying down?  
What if bad advice in the name of experienced accesibility could be given to 
Apple to weaken or limit the scope and reach of Apple's new access?  What if 
the voices and speech could be skewed toward the silly season variety, as in 
that fake Ease Indin accent that allows the perfectly good Australian voice to 
mispronounce standard words.  Some of us blind users depend on the 
pronounciation to know how a word is spelled.  Some mispronounced words when 
spoken in that fake Ease Indian accent, sound exactly like other real words.

So, with a few suggestions that get accepted,  and with a few more that well, 
really guys, the totally blind can't be expected to really handle much, can 
they, the whole beautifully positive Apple access platform tilts toward the 
glitchy, falty Windows variety.

It is a good idea to call and have a trouble ticket created.  How did that old 
patriotic saying go?  Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.

So, let's not give up our newly won freedom with these Apple devices and 
interfaces.

By the way, I'm totally blind and totally able to use the Apple devices, as 
long as the accessibility playing field isn't stacked against me.


Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPad Mini

On 07/11/2012, at 1:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hey Cheree, I don't know how to do this with the IPad,but with the IPhone at 
 least, I definitely! can show you.  It's a little weird, but it is extremely 
 doable.  I do it all the time!
 
 OK, so, on your 4S, at least, what you need to do, is after you bring the 
 page up for your first result, tap near the very bottom center of the screen, 
 if it helps, I don't know how much, if any, vision that you have, but if you 
 have enough to see the little thumbnail picture of the artwork for the app, 
 what you need is immediately just directly below that.  it's basically gonna 
 be right between that artwork, and your home key.  If you can't see it, it is 
 a flickable item, so don't worry.  If push comes to shove, you definitely! 
 can flick to it.  You will see that there is an adjuster.  It'll say 
 something like 1 of 45, or 1 of 200, or whatever.  Now, what you want to do 
 is on that adjuster, just like you would do normally, just one finger flick 
 up to get to the next result, and one finger flick down to get to the 
 previous one.  Be sure you're focused on that adjuster though before you 
 virtically flick.  Otherwise, you're gonna be moving the currently set rotor 
 setting like words, headings, characters, etc.
 
 Again, no dice for the IPad.  I will say that Chris from Apple did call me 
 back yesterday, around 6, rigbht before he left for the day, and he told me 
 that he, his boss, and about 5 or 6 others had a staff meeting which he 
 himself requested, to discuss the stores IPad accessibility moving forward, 
 as he too agreed since I O S 6.anything came out, it's somewhat climbed down 
 hill in Voiceover support.  In this meeting, he told me one of the key 
 outline discussions did revolve around my exact problem.  He definitely did 
 send it up to engineering.  I'd encourage all of you guys to also write, and 
 have them create you a case number like Chris did for me, this way it's not 
 just an oh, we'll send it up.  You need to insist that they give you a case 
 number.  I think the more people who do this, the better.  They are? now 
 definitely, if nothing else, at least from me, aware the issue's there, but 
 they're not gonna do anything with just one person.  I promise you they 
 won't.  I didn't say one person can't make a difference, so don't read me out 
 of context.  I simply said, one person might make a difference, yes, but only 
 if others also report the bug/breakage.  Let's not bombard them, but, let's 
 really pull together and let's all let them know.  Regardless if they care or 
 not really at this point is not an issue.  Let's let them know, then if they 
 choose to not act on it, then, we'll bitch, but until then, let's see what 
 they say.
 
 Thank you kindly,
 
 Christopher-Mark Gilland.
 Founder of CLG Productions
 
 Blog:
 

Re: iPad App Store losing sales, alienating

2012-11-07 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Okay,  so, did you yourself create such a trouble ticket?  
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Nov 7, 2012, at 7:42 AM, Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com wrote:

 Cheree Heppe here:
 
 This design in which a tiny area is to be flicked at to advance the app list 
 isn't a realistic access methodology.  The structure of the App Store prior 
 to IOS 6 worked fine, as did the IBooks store.  Since the change, My perusal 
 and purchase of both apps and IBooks has dropped off sharply.  This isn't 
 because I don't prefer to look around and to purchase, it's because the 
 access has become so chancy and difficult.
 
 Whoever is advising the Apple creative teams on blindness disability may 
 deserve a second hard look.  This is because when Apple opened its 
 accessibility window for blind users, it completely derailed some entrenched 
 and very expensive blindness products and made the major Windows screen 
 readers look clumsy and badly designed.
 
 You don't suppose those blindness bastions are going to take that lying down? 
  What if bad advice in the name of experienced accesibility could be given to 
 Apple to weaken or limit the scope and reach of Apple's new access?  What if 
 the voices and speech could be skewed toward the silly season variety, as in 
 that fake Ease Indin accent that allows the perfectly good Australian voice 
 to mispronounce standard words.  Some of us blind users depend on the 
 pronounciation to know how a word is spelled.  Some mispronounced words when 
 spoken in that fake Ease Indian accent, sound exactly like other real words.
 
 So, with a few suggestions that get accepted,  and with a few more that well, 
 really guys, the totally blind can't be expected to really handle much, can 
 they, the whole beautifully positive Apple access platform tilts toward the 
 glitchy, falty Windows variety.
 
 It is a good idea to call and have a trouble ticket created.  How did that 
 old patriotic saying go?  Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.
 
 So, let's not give up our newly won freedom with these Apple devices and 
 interfaces.
 
 By the way, I'm totally blind and totally able to use the Apple devices, as 
 long as the accessibility playing field isn't stacked against me.
 
 
 Regards,
 Cheree Heppe
 
 
 Sent from my iPad Mini
 
 On 07/11/2012, at 1:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hey Cheree, I don't know how to do this with the IPad,but with the IPhone at 
 least, I definitely! can show you.  It's a little weird, but it is extremely 
 doable.  I do it all the time!
 
 OK, so, on your 4S, at least, what you need to do, is after you bring the 
 page up for your first result, tap near the very bottom center of the 
 screen, if it helps, I don't know how much, if any, vision that you have, 
 but if you have enough to see the little thumbnail picture of the artwork 
 for the app, what you need is immediately just directly below that.  it's 
 basically gonna be right between that artwork, and your home key.  If you 
 can't see it, it is a flickable item, so don't worry.  If push comes to 
 shove, you definitely! can flick to it.  You will see that there is an 
 adjuster.  It'll say something like 1 of 45, or 1 of 200, or whatever.  Now, 
 what you want to do is on that adjuster, just like you would do normally, 
 just one finger flick up to get to the next result, and one finger flick 
 down to get to the previous one.  Be sure you're focused on that adjuster 
 though before you virtically flick.  Otherwise, you're gonna be moving the 
 currently set rotor setting like words, headings, characters, etc.
 
 Again, no dice for the IPad.  I will say that Chris from Apple did call me 
 back yesterday, around 6, rigbht before he left for the day, and he told me 
 that he, his boss, and about 5 or 6 others had a staff meeting which he 
 himself requested, to discuss the stores IPad accessibility moving forward, 
 as he too agreed since I O S 6.anything came out, it's somewhat climbed down 
 hill in Voiceover support.  In this meeting, he told me one of the key 
 outline discussions did revolve around my exact problem.  He definitely did 
 send it up to engineering.  I'd encourage all of you guys to also write, and 
 have them create you a case number like Chris did for me, this way it's not 
 just an oh, we'll send it up.  You need to insist that they give you a case 
 number.  I think the more people who do this, the better.  They are? now 
 definitely, if nothing else, at least from me, aware the issue's there, but 
 they're not gonna do anything with just one person.  I promise you they 
 won't.  I didn't say one person can't make a difference, so don't read me 
 out of context.  I simply said, one person might make a difference, yes, but 
 only if others also report the bug/breakage.  Let's not bombard them, but, 
 let's really pull together and let's all let them know.  

Re: blind friendly flatbed scanners? any ideas?

2012-11-07 Thread Phil Halton
I never heard of a blind accessible scanner. Scanners are scanners. their 
just hardware devices that come with some generic utility function software 
for copying, faxing etc that is generally useless and which I ignore. Their 
neither blind friendly or unfriendly. It's the OCR software that utilizes 
the scanner that needs to be accessible. I personally like Epson scanners. 
I've always used them and had very little trouble. Currently I use an Epson 
Perfection V33 scanner and ABBYY fine reader Sprint, or OmniPage for OCR 
software. I get great OCR results with ABBYY and the Epson V33.


- Original Message - 
From: Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com

To: [MacVisionaries] macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: blind friendly flatbed scanners? any ideas?


hello everyone.

I seem to be running into the google too much information problem. I am 
looking for a blind friendly scanner that will be supported under OS X (as 
well as windows 7+ with jaws). I need this information for a technology 
requisition. so far, I keep getting hits on scanners that are marketed under 
the intel name (intel reader) and a number of canon models, HP, epson, 
brother and others. unfortunately, looking at the sites for a lot of these 
devices, there doesn't seem top be any reference to being blind accessible, 
let alone being supported with either OS X (and voiceover) or windows (with 
jaws).


some of the sites (like hp) have so many graphics that navigating them is 
confusing.


any suggestions from here would greatly help my search. I really need to get 
the ball rolling on this before the end of this month.


thanks.

-eric

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Re: blind friendly flatbed scanners? any ideas?

2012-11-07 Thread Jane
I guess the closest thing to blind-friendly scanner is a SARA--Scanning And 
Reading Appliance. It's a stand-alone scanner. You scan books, and it uses 
OpenBok software installed on it. YOu save boks on it, or you can save them to 
thumb crives.

Jane


On Nov 7, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I never heard of a blind accessible scanner. Scanners are scanners. their 
 just hardware devices that come with some generic utility function software 
 for copying, faxing etc that is generally useless and which I ignore. Their 
 neither blind friendly or unfriendly. It's the OCR software that utilizes the 
 scanner that needs to be accessible. I personally like Epson scanners. I've 
 always used them and had very little trouble. Currently I use an Epson 
 Perfection V33 scanner and ABBYY fine reader Sprint, or OmniPage for OCR 
 software. I get great OCR results with ABBYY and the Epson V33.
 
 - Original Message - From: Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com
 To: [MacVisionaries] macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:24 PM
 Subject: blind friendly flatbed scanners? any ideas?
 
 
 hello everyone.
 
 I seem to be running into the google too much information problem. I am 
 looking for a blind friendly scanner that will be supported under OS X (as 
 well as windows 7+ with jaws). I need this information for a technology 
 requisition. so far, I keep getting hits on scanners that are marketed under 
 the intel name (intel reader) and a number of canon models, HP, epson, 
 brother and others. unfortunately, looking at the sites for a lot of these 
 devices, there doesn't seem top be any reference to being blind accessible, 
 let alone being supported with either OS X (and voiceover) or windows (with 
 jaws).
 
 some of the sites (like hp) have so many graphics that navigating them is 
 confusing.
 
 any suggestions from here would greatly help my search. I really need to get 
 the ball rolling on this before the end of this month.
 
 thanks.
 
 -eric
 
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Re: iPad App Store losing sales, alienating

2012-11-07 Thread James Mannion
I'm not sure what is being complained abouthere. The tiny area on
the screen to flick up or down is no problem to find if one is willing
t think for one minute or at least take some advice if not of how to
get to it. Tough the bottom left icon, the bottom left tab on the
screen and do one flick left. There, you are on it. Honestly this
complaint does not sound the least bit constructive. Apple provided
accessibility to flick through the apps, and yes, it was a solution
that appears to have been an after thought, but at least they did
provide it and provided it quickly. It is absolutely perfectly usable
and is no harder to use, just different, than before. It is absolutely
frustrating when people get on a kick that just because it is
different that it is all wrong.

On 11/7/12, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:
 Okay,  so, did you yourself create such a trouble ticket?
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

 Skype name:
 barefootedray

 On Nov 7, 2012, at 7:42 AM, Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com wrote:

 Cheree Heppe here:

 This design in which a tiny area is to be flicked at to advance the app
 list isn't a realistic access methodology.  The structure of the App Store
 prior to IOS 6 worked fine, as did the IBooks store.  Since the change, My
 perusal and purchase of both apps and IBooks has dropped off sharply.
 This isn't because I don't prefer to look around and to purchase, it's
 because the access has become so chancy and difficult.

 Whoever is advising the Apple creative teams on blindness disability may
 deserve a second hard look.  This is because when Apple opened its
 accessibility window for blind users, it completely derailed some
 entrenched and very expensive blindness products and made the major
 Windows screen readers look clumsy and badly designed.

 You don't suppose those blindness bastions are going to take that lying
 down?  What if bad advice in the name of experienced accesibility could be
 given to Apple to weaken or limit the scope and reach of Apple's new
 access?  What if the voices and speech could be skewed toward the silly
 season variety, as in that fake Ease Indin accent that allows the
 perfectly good Australian voice to mispronounce standard words.  Some of
 us blind users depend on the pronounciation to know how a word is spelled.
  Some mispronounced words when spoken in that fake Ease Indian accent,
 sound exactly like other real words.

 So, with a few suggestions that get accepted,  and with a few more that
 well, really guys, the totally blind can't be expected to really handle
 much, can they, the whole beautifully positive Apple access platform tilts
 toward the glitchy, falty Windows variety.

 It is a good idea to call and have a trouble ticket created.  How did that
 old patriotic saying go?  Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.

 So, let's not give up our newly won freedom with these Apple devices and
 interfaces.

 By the way, I'm totally blind and totally able to use the Apple devices,
 as long as the accessibility playing field isn't stacked against me.


 Regards,
 Cheree Heppe


 Sent from my iPad Mini

 On 07/11/2012, at 1:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hey Cheree, I don't know how to do this with the IPad,but with the IPhone
 at least, I definitely! can show you.  It's a little weird, but it is
 extremely doable.  I do it all the time!

 OK, so, on your 4S, at least, what you need to do, is after you bring the
 page up for your first result, tap near the very bottom center of the
 screen, if it helps, I don't know how much, if any, vision that you have,
 but if you have enough to see the little thumbnail picture of the artwork
 for the app, what you need is immediately just directly below that.  it's
 basically gonna be right between that artwork, and your home key.  If you
 can't see it, it is a flickable item, so don't worry.  If push comes to
 shove, you definitely! can flick to it.  You will see that there is an
 adjuster.  It'll say something like 1 of 45, or 1 of 200, or whatever.
 Now, what you want to do is on that adjuster, just like you would do
 normally, just one finger flick up to get to the next result, and one
 finger flick down to get to the previous one.  Be sure you're focused on
 that adjuster though before you virtically flick.  Otherwise, you're
 gonna be moving the currently set rotor setting like words, headings,
 characters, etc.

 Again, no dice for the IPad.  I will say that Chris from Apple did call
 me back yesterday, around 6, rigbht before he left for the day, and he
 told me that he, his boss, and about 5 or 6 others had a staff meeting
 which he himself requested, to discuss the stores IPad accessibility
 moving forward, as he too agreed since I O S 6.anything came out, it's
 somewhat climbed down hill in Voiceover support.  In this meeting, he
 told me one of the key outline discussions did revolve around my exact
 problem.  He 

Re: local mail boxes not showing up?

2012-11-07 Thread Amber Wallenstein
Are the local mailboxes expanded in the table? I had this happen with my gmail 
folders.  As soon as I expanded the gmail row in  the table, they all appeared.
Amber

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Re: Other Mainstream Mac Lists

2012-11-07 Thread Mike M
I wish I knew of some as well.
I created a new one just the other day that includes more than just the 
Mac and I am hoping to grow into a beast like this one but we shall see. 
I spent some time in Google Groups trying to find some good ones but I 
hate their new layout. Trying to go anything is rather difficult.

Mike 
On Nov 7, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Agent086b agent0...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Hello all, can anybody recommend another good Mac users group? I have some 
 unresolved questions that I need help with. They were about displaying fonts 
 on screen network printing and some others. Obviously nobody could help on 
 this list at the time. Please don't think I am ungrateful
 for the support you have given me since moving to the Mac. I don't expect 
 this list to know everything. When I was using a PC I belonged to some sited 
 windows lists as well as VIP ones. 
 So if somebody can point me to a good sited list I would be very grateful.
 Thanks as always.,
 Max.
 
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Another Update About Infovox Demo Voices

2012-11-07 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hi guys. I've received another email about the Infovox voices. It appears that 
the problem occurs when using the voices with more than 1 app. See below.
Dear Shawn,

We've traced back the problem with the demo voices. It happens to occur when 
two different application use the same voice in demo mode. For example Voice 
Over and another application. 

We're investigating the problem and will try to come up with a solution. I'm 
afraid that in the meantime the only solution we can offer is to ask you to 
test the voices with one voice application only.

Please note that the problem should not occur for activated (purchased) voices.

Wit kind regards,

Martijn


Shawn
Sent from my white Mac Book

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Re: Other Mainstream Mac Lists

2012-11-07 Thread Rachel Feinberg
When doing some searches for answers to tech Mac questions, I've stumbled upon 
the Mac Access list. I'm not sure if it's still active, or if it'd meet your 
needs, but it's something to google to get more information on.

On Nov 7, 2012, at 8:23 PM, Mike M blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wish I knew of some as well.
   I created a new one just the other day that includes more than just the 
 Mac and I am hoping to grow into a beast like this one but we shall see. 
   I spent some time in Google Groups trying to find some good ones but I 
 hate their new layout. Trying to go anything is rather difficult.
 
 Mike 
 On Nov 7, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Agent086b agent0...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
 Hello all, can anybody recommend another good Mac users group? I have some 
 unresolved questions that I need help with. They were about displaying fonts 
 on screen network printing and some others. Obviously nobody could help on 
 this list at the time. Please don't think I am ungrateful
 for the support you have given me since moving to the Mac. I don't expect 
 this list to know everything. When I was using a PC I belonged to some sited 
 windows lists as well as VIP ones. 
 So if somebody can point me to a good sited list I would be very grateful.
 Thanks as always.,
 Max.
 
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Re: Another Update About Infovox Demo Voices

2012-11-07 Thread Cheryl Homiak
I got this too and i wrote back and told them that didn't make sense. You can't 
just use a voice in isolation with voiceover. They wrote back and said they 
meant an application such as Visiovoice but I emailed back and told them I had 
not opened visiovoice at all while using the demo.

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and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
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On Nov 7, 2012, at 11:23 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi guys. I've received another email about the Infovox voices. It appears 
 that the problem occurs when using the voices with more than 1 app. See below.
 Dear Shawn,
 
 We've traced back the problem with the demo voices. It happens to occur when 
 two different application use the same voice in demo mode. For example Voice 
 Over and another application. 
 
 We're investigating the problem and will try to come up with a solution. I'm 
 afraid that in the meantime the only solution we can offer is to ask you to 
 test the voices with one voice application only.
 
 Please note that the problem should not occur for activated (purchased) 
 voices.
 
 Wit kind regards,
 
 Martijn
 
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my white Mac Book
 
 
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