date:20121211

I'd buy the  second generation one to be honest, since it's most likely
cheaper, and you're not losing out on any features, since all 1080P is is
the resolution of the picture.

Just my 2 cents, though.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: apple TV?

 

When did it hit the shelf?  Trying to make sure I

M getting the right one.

 

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Subject: RE: apple TV?

 

Third generation is the latest. There's no difference from a Voiceover or
physical design perspective, however, the only thing the latest one can do
is play 1080P content.

 

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What version of apple TV Is the latest?  I was on amazon, and thought it was
v2, but the search brought up something with v3.  So witch is right, 2 or 3?

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Re: please can some one recommend an accessible alternative to iTunes that will allow me to mannege my current iTunes libary and iPod?

2012-12-11 Thread Scott Davert

I'm not an iTunes fan. In fact, if Android ever gets their
acessibility act together, it will be the biggest reason I change from
an Apple portable device to an Android one. Why should I have to run a
piece of bloated software to simply transfer data from my computer to
my phone? Yes, there are alternatives like Dropbox and such, but these
require an internet connection to access the data. I like the idea of
plugging my device in to a USB port on my mac or Windows machine, and
just having the phone show up as a drive. I don't need software to
organize my music, I'm quite capable of doing that myself. Then, I
should be able to just seemlessly move files from one location to
another. At this point, Android still stinks in terms of braille
support and the number of accessible apps seems to be small, so I
stick with iOS. But having to run iTunes may be what eventually pushes
me away to another platform. However, as long as Apple is the biggest
provider of accessible stuff, I'll stick with them. But if another
platform ever gets to this level, it'll certainly be a consideration.

Scott

On 12/11/12, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nothing is as accessible as iTunes in my opinion. It is the best in
 terms of accessibility and is even better with the release of iTunes 11.
 Is there anythig we can do to convince you to stay with iTunes?


 Christopher Hallsworth

 On 11/12/2012 01:52, trahern culver wrote:
 hey all please can some one recommend an accessable itunes alternative
 that will let me manage my current iTunes libary ipod and iPhone?

 your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards
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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or small. 
They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a problem if they 
don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo through the help menus 
(vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad commander to do it.
On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net wrote:

 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried it 
 even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.
 
 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after pressing VO + 
 a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on Wikipedia is no 
 fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after full stops and commas 
 and when a link is anounced. Also the info how many objects a header on a web 
 page has takes to much time for me. At least on my german OS VO anounces the 
 objects in a header followed by a very long pause. Yes, I know of the Reader. 
 But it's also annoying to hear again and again clickable at the end of a 
 line.
 
 But honnestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long as 
 VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents or 
 the VoiceOver calender issue in iOS.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:
 
 Alex and Teresa,
 
 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not often 
 use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such as opt+B 
 for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands there is a 
 lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.  Once it 
 is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, I use Fred on 
 a regular basis, and still find this delay even though the voice used for 
 the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other times.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has to
 be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the voice used
 has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already being used. Does
 the script use a voice that vo is not using by default? If so, I have
 a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding the process a good deal.
 
 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t for time
 as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and date, there's about a
 twenty-second delay before anything is spoken. I'm just curious if anyone
 else has experienced this.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
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Re: Putting Icons on iPhone 3GS Home Screen

2012-12-11 Thread Tim Kilburn

Harry,

You can download the iPhone Users Guide from Apple.  It is a pdf and one of the 
chapters near the end is totally dedicated to the use of the accessibility 
features, especially VO.  I usually read it in Single Page view as Preview 
behaves much better for me then.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-12-11, at 12:28 AM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tim,
 
 Wow -- this was amazingly helpful; thank you very much.  Did you find these 
 tricks with the iPhone out by playing with the phone? I don't recall any 
 detailed instructions about moving items around with VoiceOver on the phone, 
 only when using VO with the Mac are deliberate VO commands usually provided, 
 or so it seems.
 
 Thanks again.  That is, by the way, what I thought about the Clock app.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 9:11 p.m., Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Harry,
 
 Placing the Compass and Clock on the Home screen is entirely possible but 
 separating the Timer and such out of the Clock is not.  The Alarm, 
 Stop-Watch and Timer are all built-in to the Clock app and thus cannot be 
 pulled out.
 
 To move items out of the Utilities folder, double-tap and hold on the item 
 until VO says moving said item.  Don't let go then drag your finger towards 
 any edge of the screen, usually I go left or upper left.  Vo will say 
 something like Moving outside folder,, just lift your finger at that point 
 and it will be taken out of the folder.  Press your Home button once to take 
 it out of Edit mode.
 
 You can press it again to close the folder then use the same process to move 
 it to wherever you wish on the Home screen.  Be careful not to drop it in 
 another folder or on another item.  If it's dropped on another item, a new 
 folder will be created.  If you move to the right spot, VO will announce the 
 Row and Column and you simply lift your finger to drop it there.  Items 
 after the place that you drop it will be pushed out of the way.  Also, note 
 that if your page is already full, items can be pushed to the next page.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-12-10, at 6:26 PM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys,
 
 I am interested to know how I can go about putting icons on my home screen 
 from other pages in the phone.  Specifically, I am interested in putting 
 the compass on my home screen (it is currently in the utilities folder on 
 page 2), and I would also like to put the timer and alarm clock on my home 
 screen as separate icons, if that is even possible.  They are all currently 
 under Clock.
 
 Thanks for any help.  I really appreciate it.
 
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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Hi, guys,

Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a factor in 
my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after one press is 
definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first time I press the key 
combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much more responsive.

I will report this to Apple.

Thanks,
Teresa


On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or small. 
 They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a problem if they 
 don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo through the help menus 
 (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net wrote:
 
 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried it 
 even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.
 
 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after pressing VO + 
 a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on Wikipedia is no 
 fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after full stops and commas 
 and when a link is anounced. Also the info how many objects a header on a 
 web page has takes to much time for me. At least on my german OS VO anounces 
 the objects in a header followed by a very long pause. Yes, I know of the 
 Reader. But it's also annoying to hear again and again clickable at the 
 end of a line.
 
 But honnestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long as 
 VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents or 
 the VoiceOver calender issue in iOS.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:
 
 Alex and Teresa,
 
 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not often 
 use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such as opt+B 
 for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands there is a 
 lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.  Once it 
 is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, I use Fred on 
 a regular basis, and still find this delay even though the voice used for 
 the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other times.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has to
 be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the voice used
 has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already being used. Does
 the script use a voice that vo is not using by default? If so, I have
 a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding the process a good deal.
 
 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t for time
 as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and date, there's about 
 a
 twenty-second delay before anything is spoken. I'm just curious if anyone
 else has experienced this.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
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RE: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

I believe that's normal behavior, since as someone pointed out before, the
script that is attached to that keystroke has to be loaded into memory
first, which on some machines takes a while. I seriously don't think they'll
say much about it, since it doesn't seem to be a bug.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Hi, guys,

Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a factor
in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after one press is
definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first time I press the key
combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much more responsive.

I will report this to Apple.

Thanks,
Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or
small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a problem
if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo through the help
menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net
wrote:

 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried it
even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.

 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after pressing
VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on Wikipedia
is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after full stops and
commas and when a link is anounced. Also the info how many objects a header
on a web page has takes to much time for me. At least on my german OS VO
anounces the objects in a header followed by a very long pause. Yes, I know
of the Reader. But it's also annoying to hear again and again clickable at
the end of a line.

 But honnestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long as
VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents or
the VoiceOver calender issue in iOS.

 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:

 Alex and Teresa,

 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not
often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such as
opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands there
is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.
Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, I use
Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even though the voice
used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other times.

 I hope this helps.

 Harry

 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has 
 to be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the 
 voice used has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already 
 being used. Does the script use a voice that vo is not using by 
 default? If so, I have a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding the
process a good deal.

 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,

 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t 
 for time as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and 
 date, there's about a twenty-second delay before anything is 
 spoken. I'm just curious if anyone else has experienced this.

 Thanks,
 Teresa

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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

What needs to happen is for Apple to include basic scripts like this right 
inside vo, so there is no loading going on. All screen readers have keys to 
read time, date, and battery status, so vo should be no different. Instead of 
just reporting that reading the time can be very slow, I encourage you to ask 
for these basics to be built into vo from the start, avoiding the load problem 
altogether.
On Dec 11, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe that's normal behavior, since as someone pointed out before, the
 script that is attached to that keystroke has to be loaded into memory
 first, which on some machines takes a while. I seriously don't think they'll
 say much about it, since it doesn't seem to be a bug.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:29 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys
 
 Hi, guys,
 
 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a factor
 in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after one press is
 definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first time I press the key
 combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much more responsive.
 
 I will report this to Apple.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or
 small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a problem
 if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo through the help
 menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net
 wrote:
 
 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried it
 even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.
 
 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after pressing
 VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on Wikipedia
 is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after full stops and
 commas and when a link is anounced. Also the info how many objects a header
 on a web page has takes to much time for me. At least on my german OS VO
 anounces the objects in a header followed by a very long pause. Yes, I know
 of the Reader. But it's also annoying to hear again and again clickable at
 the end of a line.
 
 But honnestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long as
 VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents or
 the VoiceOver calender issue in iOS.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:
 
 Alex and Teresa,
 
 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not
 often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such as
 opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands there
 is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.
 Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, I use
 Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even though the voice
 used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other times.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has 
 to be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the 
 voice used has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already 
 being used. Does the script use a voice that vo is not using by 
 default? If so, I have a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding the
 process a good deal.
 
 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t 
 for time as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and 
 date, there's about a twenty-second delay before anything is 
 spoken. I'm just curious if anyone else has experienced this.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
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Re: Hard Disk Utility Manager

Hi CB,

So easy and so useful. Thanks for that tip. I got rid of many cluttering things 
this noon. Thanks a heap.
Paul.
On Oct 18, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:

 One thing I've found useful when trying to figure out where all my disk space 
 went is to turn on Calculate All Sizes which is a checkbox in the View 
 Options which is in the View menu. It takes a while but it will populate the 
 Size column in list view with totals of space used for every folder in the 
 list. That way you can spend your time where it will make the most difference.
 
 CB
 
 On 10/17/12 3:43 PM, Chris wrote:
 Open Disk Utility, make sure the correct disk is selected and the first aid 
 tab is selected, then you can click either verify disk permissions and or 
 repair disk permissions. Results will be shown in the appropriate table.
 
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 
 On 17/10/2012 19:14, Emilio Hernandez wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 
 What kind of hard disk utility manager have users of this list found 
 accessible?
 Unfortunately, Daisy Disk is not accessible.
 I have already completed the recommended tasks: emptying the trash, and 
 deleting e-mail messages, but I have not yet moved things to an external 
 disk because I already perform weekly back-ups.
 When moving various large folders I get an error message indicating the 
 task cannot be completed because not enough room is on the hard disk.
 Thus, I am interested in knowing what space is being knowingly or 
 unknowingly used because I have a 1TB hard drive, which should not be full.
 
 Thank you all for the help.
 
 
 
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Time Machine silently excluding some drives from backup

Hi all,
If you are a Time Machine user, and especially if you have multiple hard drives 
or partitions, you should read the below article.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-57558317-263/is-time-machine-really-backing-up-your-drives/


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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Yes, Daniel, I see your point. I have a somewhat-older Mac Mini with 4 GB ram, 
so maybe that has something to do with it. In any case, it isn't a huge deal. I 
have noticed it for awhile and I was just curious as to what might cause it.

Thanks,
Teresa


Visualize whirled peas.

On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:36 AM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe that's normal behavior, since as someone pointed out before, the
 script that is attached to that keystroke has to be loaded into memory
 first, which on some machines takes a while. I seriously don't think they'll
 say much about it, since it doesn't seem to be a bug.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:29 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys
 
 Hi, guys,
 
 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a factor
 in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after one press is
 definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first time I press the key
 combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much more responsive.
 
 I will report this to Apple.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or
 small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a problem
 if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo through the help
 menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net
 wrote:
 
 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried it
 even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.
 
 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after pressing
 VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on Wikipedia
 is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after full stops and
 commas and when a link is anounced. Also the info how many objects a header
 on a web page has takes to much time for me. At least on my german OS VO
 anounces the objects in a header followed by a very long pause. Yes, I know
 of the Reader. But it's also annoying to hear again and again clickable at
 the end of a line.
 
 But honnestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long as
 VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents or
 the VoiceOver calender issue in iOS.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:
 
 Alex and Teresa,
 
 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not
 often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such as
 opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands there
 is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.
 Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, I use
 Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even though the voice
 used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other times.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has 
 to be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the 
 voice used has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already 
 being used. Does the script use a voice that vo is not using by 
 default? If so, I have a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding the
 process a good deal.
 
 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t 
 for time as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and 
 date, there's about a twenty-second delay before anything is 
 spoken. I'm just curious if anyone else has experienced this.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
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disk is working all the time

Dear listers,

My hard disk is working constantly, without me knowing what the heck it's 
doing. To my knowledge, I don't have disk intensive background stuff 
deliberately turned on. I know I'll have to get this from activity monitor, but 
I don't know how to find the info I'm looking for. No matter how I sort the 
table of processes, new ones are added all the time, while others get removed, 
and so it is hard to focus on items inside the processes table with voiceover. 
How do you deal with this? I.e.: finding out which process is using the hard 
disk so intensively that it's getting hard to do work in the foreground?

Paul.

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Question to Transmit: How do I retry when a upload fails?

2012-12-11 Thread Søren Jensen

Hi.

THe subject says it all. I'm uploading lots of files to a ftp server where I 
sometimes got disconnected. Then it says a file can't be uploaded, and I can 
choose to continue uploading the rest of the files. Well, there are still some 
files missing, and I can't choose to retry those files. Am I missing something, 
or do I have to upload those manually again?
Best regards:
Søren Jensen
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RE: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Someone mentioned right option+b to read battery status? How can one set
that up? There's no way to do so in keyboard commander.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Yes, Daniel, I see your point. I have a somewhat-older Mac Mini with 4 GB
ram, so maybe that has something to do with it. In any case, it isn't a huge
deal. I have noticed it for awhile and I was just curious as to what might
cause it.

Thanks,
Teresa

Visualize whirled peas.

On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:36 AM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe that's normal behavior, since as someone pointed out before, 
 the script that is attached to that keystroke has to be loaded into 
 memory first, which on some machines takes a while. I seriously don't 
 think they'll say much about it, since it doesn't seem to be a bug.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:29 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t 
 Keys

 Hi, guys,

 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a 
 factor in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after 
 one press is definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first 
 time I press the key combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much
more responsive.

 I will report this to Apple.

 Thanks,
 Teresa

 On the other hand, there are different fingers.

 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big 
 or
 small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a 
 problem if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo 
 through the help menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad
commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net
 wrote:

 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just 
 tried it
 even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.

 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after 
 pressing
 VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on 
 Wikipedia is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after 
 full stops and commas and when a link is anounced. Also the info how 
 many objects a header on a web page has takes to much time for me. At 
 least on my german OS VO anounces the objects in a header followed by 
 a very long pause. Yes, I know of the Reader. But it's also annoying 
 to hear again and again clickable at the end of a line.

 But honnestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as 
 long as
 VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text 
 documents or the VoiceOver calender issue in iOS.

 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:

 Alex and Teresa,

 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do 
 not
 often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, 
 such as
 opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands 
 opt+there
 is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.
 Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, 
 I use Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even though 
 the voice used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other
times.

 I hope this helps.

 Harry

 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has 
 to be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the 
 voice used has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already 
 being used. Does the script use a voice that vo is not using by 
 default? If so, I have a script that uses vo's own speech, 
 speeding the
 process a good deal.

 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,

 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t 
 for time as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and 
 date, there's about a twenty-second delay before anything is 
 spoken. I'm just curious if anyone else has experienced this.

 Thanks,
 Teresa

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Re: Time Machine silently excluding some drives from backup

2012-12-11 Thread John Panarese

From what I have read, this is a rare situation and seems to be setup
specific. I doubt most users are going to be dealing with the kind of backup
setup that could potentially trigger this bug.

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION

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MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

On Dec 11, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,
If you are a Time Machine user, and especially if you have multiple hard
drives or partitions, you should read the below article.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-57558317-263/is-time-machine-really-backing-up-your-drives/

Have a great day,
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Re: Time Machine silently excluding some drives from backup

I know, but better safe (and informed) than sorry, I figure.
On Dec 11, 2012, at 10:52 AM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:

From what I have read, this is a rare situation and seems to be setup
specific. I doubt most users are going to be dealing with the kind of backup
setup that could potentially trigger this bug.

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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On Dec 11, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
mehg...@gmail.com

Wand Scanner?

2012-12-11 Thread Mary Scott

Hi all,  I am with a friend who would like to know if there is such thing as a 
wand scanner that can be used with the MacBook..  Mel

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Re: disk is working all the time

2012-12-11 Thread Chris Blouch

For me the usual culprit is Time Machine which does a backup each hour 
and makes things sludgy when it is running. I've also heard that the 
'mds' process is Spotlight indexing the hard drive and that can slow 
things down. Another problem is if you get low on memory the OS will 
swap pages of memory that haven't been used recently out to disk to free 
up more space. Then when you go back to an app that used those pages of 
memory the OS will swap them back in. So if you're low on RAM there can 
be a lot of page swapping or thrashing which can bring any system to a 
crawl. Activity monitor only shows processes by CPU use, not by disk 
activity, but sometimes those correlate. If you're ok with playing 
around in terminal you can do


sudo iotop 10 1

sudo is super user do because this command can only be run by the root 
account, so it should prompt for your administrator password. iotop is 
like activity monitor but for disk activity. The first number is how 
many seconds to sample. The second number is how many samples to do. If 
you leave the second number off it will keep doing 10 second samples 
until you stop it running with control-C. You should get a 9 column 
output with spaces between each value. The last column is the number of 
bytes read by the process during the sample period with the process with 
the highest byte count last. You can do a man iotop for more details.


CB

On 12/11/12 10:45 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

Dear listers,

My hard disk is working constantly, without me knowing what the heck it's 
doing. To my knowledge, I don't have disk intensive background stuff 
deliberately turned on. I know I'll have to get this from activity monitor, but 
I don't know how to find the info I'm looking for. No matter how I sort the 
table of processes, new ones are added all the time, while others get removed, 
and so it is hard to focus on items inside the processes table with voiceover. 
How do you deal with this? I.e.: finding out which process is using the hard 
disk so intensively that it's getting hard to do work in the foreground?

Paul.



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Re: Hard Disk Utility Manager

2012-12-11 Thread Chris Blouch

Glad it helped. Not as much of a problem nowdays with crazy huge hard 
drives but still a good way to keep things tidy.


CB

On 12/11/12 10:41 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

Hi CB,

So easy and so useful. Thanks for that tip. I got rid of many cluttering things 
this noon. Thanks a heap.
Paul.
On Oct 18, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:


One thing I've found useful when trying to figure out where all my disk space went is to 
turn on Calculate All Sizes which is a checkbox in the View Options which is 
in the View menu. It takes a while but it will populate the Size column in list view with 
totals of space used for every folder in the list. That way you can spend your time where 
it will make the most difference.

CB

On 10/17/12 3:43 PM, Chris wrote:

Open Disk Utility, make sure the correct disk is selected and the first aid tab 
is selected, then you can click either verify disk permissions and or repair 
disk permissions. Results will be shown in the appropriate table.


Christopher Hallsworth

On 17/10/2012 19:14, Emilio Hernandez wrote:

Hello everyone,

What kind of hard disk utility manager have users of this list found accessible?
Unfortunately, Daisy Disk is not accessible.
I have already completed the recommended tasks: emptying the trash, and 
deleting e-mail messages, but I have not yet moved things to an external disk 
because I already perform weekly back-ups.
When moving various large folders I get an error message indicating the task 
cannot be completed because not enough room is on the hard disk.
Thus, I am interested in knowing what space is being knowingly or unknowingly 
used because I have a 1TB hard drive, which should not be full.

Thank you all for the help.


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Re: apple TV?

2012-12-11 Thread Chris Blouch

1080P refers to the resolution of the video output. The 3rd gen box can 
play 1080P which is a resolution of 1920x1080 dots. The 2nd gen box can 
only play 720P which is a resolution of 1280x720. The current state of 
the art for high definition TV and such is 1080P.


CB

On 12/10/12 8:40 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
What's 1080p content?  I'm looking at getting one down the road, and 
would love any info anyone can give me.  I listened to one of the 
podcasts on blindcooltech about it, and it sounds amazing, but don't 
know if there's anything different between that model, and the new one 
that's out now, so if anyone has something they'd like to share, I'd 
love to hear it.

On Dec 10, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Kliphton wrote:

What version of apple TV Is the latest?  I was on amazon, and thought 
it was v2, but the search brought up something with v3.  So witch is 
right, 2 or 3?


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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Someone wrote a script for it, but I can't remember who. It used Lynx and 
X-code. It's probably in the archives. There may be other scripts as well.

Teresa


On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

 Someone mentioned right option+b to read battery status? How can one set
 that up? There's no way to do so in keyboard commander.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:43 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys
 
 Yes, Daniel, I see your point. I have a somewhat-older Mac Mini with 4 GB
 ram, so maybe that has something to do with it. In any case, it isn't a huge
 deal. I have noticed it for awhile and I was just curious as to what might
 cause it.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
 Visualize whirled peas.
 
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:36 AM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I believe that's normal behavior, since as someone pointed out before, 
 the script that is attached to that keystroke has to be loaded into 
 memory first, which on some machines takes a while. I seriously don't 
 think they'll say much about it, since it doesn't seem to be a bug.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:29 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t 
 Keys
 
 Hi, guys,
 
 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a 
 factor in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after 
 one press is definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first 
 time I press the key combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much
 more responsive.
 
 I will report this to Apple.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big 
 or
 small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a 
 problem if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo 
 through the help menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad
 commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net
 wrote:
 
 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just 
 tried it
 even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.
 
 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after 
 pressing
 VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on 
 Wikipedia is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after 
 full stops and commas and when a link is anounced. Also the info how 
 many objects a header on a web page has takes to much time for me. At 
 least on my german OS VO anounces the objects in a header followed by 
 a very long pause. Yes, I know of the Reader. But it's also annoying 
 to hear again and again clickable at the end of a line.
 
 But honnestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as 
 long as
 VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text 
 documents or the VoiceOver calender issue in iOS.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:
 
 Alex and Teresa,
 
 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do 
 not
 often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, 
 such as
 opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands 
 opt+there
 is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.
 Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, 
 I use Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even though 
 the voice used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other
 times.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has 
 to be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the 
 voice used has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already 
 being used. Does the script use a voice that vo is not using by 
 default? If so, I have a script that uses vo's own speech, 
 speeding the
 process a good deal.
 
 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t 
 for time as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and 
 date, there's about a twenty-second delay before anything is 
 spoken. I'm just curious if anyone else has experienced this.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
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Re: disk is working all the time

Hi Chris,

That will do it. You helped me getting started in terminal some time ago, and 
yes I've become somewhat comfortable there now. Compared to dos using braille, 
I'm still dealing with some inconveniences, but I learned many things, and 
something again today. The first time I tried your hint, I got loads of error 
messages, illegal operation. And of course, I forgot the sudo prefix, despite 
your clear instruction. Hmm. But the second time it worked like a charm. I 
don't know what dmworker is, but again I now have something to go after. Thanks.
Paul.
On Dec 11, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:

 For me the usual culprit is Time Machine which does a backup each hour and 
 makes things sludgy when it is running. I've also heard that the 'mds' 
 process is Spotlight indexing the hard drive and that can slow things down. 
 Another problem is if you get low on memory the OS will swap pages of memory 
 that haven't been used recently out to disk to free up more space. Then when 
 you go back to an app that used those pages of memory the OS will swap them 
 back in. So if you're low on RAM there can be a lot of page swapping or 
 thrashing which can bring any system to a crawl. Activity monitor only shows 
 processes by CPU use, not by disk activity, but sometimes those correlate. If 
 you're ok with playing around in terminal you can do
 
 sudo iotop 10 1
 
 sudo is super user do because this command can only be run by the root 
 account, so it should prompt for your administrator password. iotop is like 
 activity monitor but for disk activity. The first number is how many seconds 
 to sample. The second number is how many samples to do. If you leave the 
 second number off it will keep doing 10 second samples until you stop it 
 running with control-C. You should get a 9 column output with spaces between 
 each value. The last column is the number of bytes read by the process during 
 the sample period with the process with the highest byte count last. You can 
 do a man iotop for more details.
 
 CB
 
 On 12/11/12 10:45 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:
 Dear listers,
 
 My hard disk is working constantly, without me knowing what the heck it's 
 doing. To my knowledge, I don't have disk intensive background stuff 
 deliberately turned on. I know I'll have to get this from activity monitor, 
 but I don't know how to find the info I'm looking for. No matter how I sort 
 the table of processes, new ones are added all the time, while others get 
 removed, and so it is hard to focus on items inside the processes table with 
 voiceover. How do you deal with this? I.e.: finding out which process is 
 using the hard disk so intensively that it's getting hard to do work in the 
 foreground?
 
 Paul.
 
 
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fusion drive?

Dear listers,

I'm thinking about buying a mac mini, to replace my old windows box that holds 
a lot of mp3 data for us. I'm very satisfied with regular hard disks. Some are 
still alive after 8 years of continuous spinning 24 7. I heard that the flash 
memory though, which is also part of a fusion drive in the newer mac machines, 
have a finite number of reads and writes, typically around 2 to 3 years. Is 
there anything clever to say about a fusion drive? Would a fusion drive be more 
likely to die early than a regular hard drive? I'm wondering weather or not to 
get that fusion drive. Any advice?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

2012-12-11 Thread Scott Berry


 Hello there,

What type of scripts are these the plain Apple script language?



On 12/11/2012 08:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

Hi, guys,

Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a factor in 
my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after one press is 
definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first time I press the key 
combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much more responsive.

I will report this to Apple.

Thanks,
Teresa


On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:


I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or small. 
They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a problem if they 
don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo through the help menus 
(vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad commander to do it.
On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net wrote:


Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried it even 
without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.

Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after pressing VO + a to read 
from the cursor. For example to read an article on Wikipedia is no fun. It takes ages. 
For me there's to much delay after full stops and commas and when a link is anounced. 
Also the info how many objects a header on a web page has takes to much time for me. At 
least on my german OS VO anounces the objects in a header followed by a very long pause. 
Yes, I know of the Reader. But it's also annoying to hear again and again 
clickable at the end of a line.

But honnestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long as 
VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents or the 
VoiceOver calender issue in iOS.

All the best
Jürgen
Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:


Alex and Teresa,

I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not often use 
the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such as opt+B for 
battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands there is a lengthy 
delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.  Once it is loaded 
into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, I use Fred on a regular 
basis, and still find this delay even though the voice used for the script is 
the same one that VoiceOver uses at other times.

I hope this helps.

Harry

On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:


Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has to
be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the voice used
has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already being used. Does
the script use a voice that vo is not using by default? If so, I have
a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding the process a good deal.

On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, guys,

I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t for time
as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and date, there's about a
twenty-second delay before anything is spoken. I'm just curious if anyone
else has experienced this.

Thanks,
Teresa


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Re: Putting Icons on iPhone 3GS Home Screen

Tim,

Thanks for the information about the user's guide.  I'll confess that I read 
user guides for screen readers and operating a computer; I have never thought 
to do so on any phone I've ever owned.  :)

Thanks,

Harry

On dic 11, 2012, at 8:15 a.m., Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Harry,
 
 You can download the iPhone Users Guide from Apple.  It is a pdf and one of 
 the chapters near the end is totally dedicated to the use of the 
 accessibility features, especially VO.  I usually read it in Single Page view 
 as Preview behaves much better for me then.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-12-11, at 12:28 AM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Tim,
 
 Wow -- this was amazingly helpful; thank you very much.  Did you find these 
 tricks with the iPhone out by playing with the phone? I don't recall any 
 detailed instructions about moving items around with VoiceOver on the phone, 
 only when using VO with the Mac are deliberate VO commands usually provided, 
 or so it seems.
 
 Thanks again.  That is, by the way, what I thought about the Clock app.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 9:11 p.m., Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Harry,
 
 Placing the Compass and Clock on the Home screen is entirely possible but 
 separating the Timer and such out of the Clock is not.  The Alarm, 
 Stop-Watch and Timer are all built-in to the Clock app and thus cannot be 
 pulled out.
 
 To move items out of the Utilities folder, double-tap and hold on the item 
 until VO says moving said item.  Don't let go then drag your finger towards 
 any edge of the screen, usually I go left or upper left.  Vo will say 
 something like Moving outside folder,, just lift your finger at that 
 point and it will be taken out of the folder.  Press your Home button once 
 to take it out of Edit mode.
 
 You can press it again to close the folder then use the same process to 
 move it to wherever you wish on the Home screen.  Be careful not to drop it 
 in another folder or on another item.  If it's dropped on another item, a 
 new folder will be created.  If you move to the right spot, VO will 
 announce the Row and Column and you simply lift your finger to drop it 
 there.  Items after the place that you drop it will be pushed out of the 
 way.  Also, note that if your page is already full, items can be pushed to 
 the next page.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-12-10, at 6:26 PM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys,
 
 I am interested to know how I can go about putting icons on my home screen 
 from other pages in the phone.  Specifically, I am interested in putting 
 the compass on my home screen (it is currently in the utilities folder on 
 page 2), and I would also like to put the timer and alarm clock on my home 
 screen as separate icons, if that is even possible.  They are all 
 currently under Clock.
 
 Thanks for any help.  I really appreciate it.
 
 Harry
 
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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

2012-12-11 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi guys!
I have heard of sometimes check boxes can become unchecked so I was wondering 
if those of you having this delay has the [use allow VO  to be controlled with 
apple scripts ] has been unchecked somehow!
I have no delay here using Mountain Lion!
Might be worth a check!

hth Colin

On 11 Dec 2012, at 16:52, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello there,
 
 What type of scripts are these the plain Apple script language?
 
 
 
 On 12/11/2012 08:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a factor 
 in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after one press is 
 definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first time I press the key 
 combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much more responsive.
 
 I will report this to Apple.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or 
 small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a 
 problem if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo through 
 the help menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad commander to 
 do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net wrote:
 
 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried it 
 even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.
 
 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after pressing VO 
 + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on Wikipedia 
 is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after full stops 
 and commas and when a link is announced. Also the info how many objects a 
 header on a web page has takes to much time for me. At least on my german 
 OS VO announces the objects in a header followed by a very long pause. 
 Yes, I know of the Reader. But it's also annoying to hear again and again 
 clickable at the end of a line.
 
 But honestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long as 
 VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents or 
 the VoiceOver calendar issue in iOS.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:
 
 Alex and Teresa,
 
 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not 
 often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such 
 as opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands 
 there is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use 
 much.  Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the 
 voice, I use Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even 
 though the voice used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses 
 at other times.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has to
 be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the voice used
 has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already being used. Does
 the script use a voice that vo is not using by default? If so, I have
 a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding the process a good deal.
 
 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t for 
 time
 as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and date, there's 
 about a
 twenty-second delay before anything is spoken. I'm just curious if 
 anyone
 else has experienced this.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
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RE: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

You know, I totally forgot about that checkbox. He's right, unchecking that
box gives you the nasty delay.
I still want that script for battery level, though, lol.

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Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Hi guys!
I have heard of sometimes check boxes can become unchecked so I was
wondering if those of you having this delay has the [use allow VO  to be
controlled with apple scripts ] has been unchecked somehow!
I have no delay here using Mountain Lion!
Might be worth a check!

hth Colin

On 11 Dec 2012, at 16:52, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello there,

 What type of scripts are these the plain Apple script language?

 On 12/11/2012 08:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Hi, guys,

 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a
factor in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after one
press is definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first time I press
the key combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much more responsive.

 I will report this to Apple.

 Thanks,
 Teresa

 On the other hand, there are different fingers.

 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or
small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a problem
if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo through the help
menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net
wrote:

 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried
it even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.

 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after pressing
VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on Wikipedia
is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after full stops and
commas and when a link is announced. Also the info how many objects a header
on a web page has takes to much time for me. At least on my german OS VO
announces the objects in a header followed by a very long pause. Yes, I know
of the Reader. But it's also annoying to hear again and again clickable at
the end of a line.

 But honestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long
as VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents
or the VoiceOver calendar issue in iOS.

 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:

 Alex and Teresa,

 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not
often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such as
opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands there
is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.
Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, I use
Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even though the voice
used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other times.

 I hope this helps.

 Harry

 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has 
 to be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the 
 voice used has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already 
 being used. Does the script use a voice that vo is not using by 
 default? If so, I have a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding
the process a good deal.

 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,

 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press 
 right-option-t for time as the default for the VO keyboard 
 commander time and date, there's about a twenty-second delay 
 before anything is spoken. I'm just curious if anyone else has
experienced this.

 Thanks,
 Teresa

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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Hello,

I have that checkbox checke in my VO preferences.  I don't think the script 
would function at all, otherwise.

Thanks,

Harry

On dic 11, 2012, at 11:13 a.m., Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com 
wrote:

 Hi guys!
 I have heard of sometimes check boxes can become unchecked so I was wondering 
 if those of you having this delay has the [use allow VO  to be controlled 
 with apple scripts ] has been unchecked somehow!
 I have no delay here using Mountain Lion!
 Might be worth a check!
 
 hth Colin
 
 On 11 Dec 2012, at 16:52, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 What type of scripts are these the plain Apple script language?
 
 
 
 On 12/11/2012 08:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a factor 
 in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after one press is 
 definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first time I press the key 
 combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much more responsive.
 
 I will report this to Apple.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or 
 small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a 
 problem if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo 
 through the help menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad 
 commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net 
 wrote:
 
 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried it 
 even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.
 
 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after pressing 
 VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on 
 Wikipedia is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after 
 full stops and commas and when a link is announced. Also the info how 
 many objects a header on a web page has takes to much time for me. At 
 least on my german OS VO announces the objects in a header followed by a 
 very long pause. Yes, I know of the Reader. But it's also annoying to 
 hear again and again clickable at the end of a line.
 
 But honestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long as 
 VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents 
 or the VoiceOver calendar issue in iOS.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:
 
 Alex and Teresa,
 
 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not 
 often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such 
 as opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands 
 there is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use 
 much.  Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the 
 voice, I use Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even 
 though the voice used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses 
 at other times.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has to
 be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the voice used
 has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already being used. Does
 the script use a voice that vo is not using by default? If so, I have
 a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding the process a good deal.
 
 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t for 
 time
 as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and date, there's 
 about a
 twenty-second delay before anything is spoken. I'm just curious if 
 anyone
 else has experienced this.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
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Hi,

It will, it will just use the normal system voice, thus causing the delay.
Trust me, I've tried it.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Hogue
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Hello,

I have that checkbox checke in my VO preferences.  I don't think the script
would function at all, otherwise.

Thanks,

Harry

On dic 11, 2012, at 11:13 a.m., Red.Falcon
velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote:

 Hi guys!
 I have heard of sometimes check boxes can become unchecked so I was
wondering if those of you having this delay has the [use allow VO  to be
controlled with apple scripts ] has been unchecked somehow!
 I have no delay here using Mountain Lion!
 Might be worth a check!

 hth Colin

 On 11 Dec 2012, at 16:52, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello there,

 What type of scripts are these the plain Apple script language?

 On 12/11/2012 08:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Hi, guys,

 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a
factor in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after one
press is definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first time I press
the key combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much more responsive.

 I will report this to Apple.

 Thanks,
 Teresa

 On the other hand, there are different fingers.

 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or
small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a problem
if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo through the help
menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net
wrote:

 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried
it even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.

 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after
pressing VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on
Wikipedia is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after full
stops and commas and when a link is announced. Also the info how many
objects a header on a web page has takes to much time for me. At least on my
german OS VO announces the objects in a header followed by a very long
pause. Yes, I know of the Reader. But it's also annoying to hear again and
again clickable at the end of a line.

 But honestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long
as VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents
or the VoiceOver calendar issue in iOS.

 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:

 Alex and Teresa,

 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not
often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such as
opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands there
is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.
Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, I use
Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even though the voice
used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other times.

 I hope this helps.

 Harry

 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information 
 has to be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then 
 the voice used has to be looked for and loaded if it is not 
 already being used. Does the script use a voice that vo is not 
 using by default? If so, I have a script that uses vo's own speech,
speeding the process a good deal.

 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,

 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press 
 right-option-t for time as the default for the VO keyboard 
 commander time and date, there's about a twenty-second delay 
 before anything is spoken. I'm just curious if anyone else has
experienced this.

 Thanks,
 Teresa

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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Interestingly.  I have my system voice set to Fred, and I used Fred for all 
other voices, so I'm not sure what would cause the delay.  I just went to check 
the system voice I have set, and the only thing I see under VoiceOver Utility 
is an option for Default Voice, which is the closest thing I see to a system 
voice.  Is this what you're referring to?

Thanks.

Harry

On dic 11, 2012, at 11:17 a.m., Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 It will, it will just use the normal system voice, thus causing the delay.
 Trust me, I've tried it.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Hogue
 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:21 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys
 
 Hello,
 
 I have that checkbox checke in my VO preferences.  I don't think the script
 would function at all, otherwise.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 11, 2012, at 11:13 a.m., Red.Falcon
 velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys!
 I have heard of sometimes check boxes can become unchecked so I was
 wondering if those of you having this delay has the [use allow VO  to be
 controlled with apple scripts ] has been unchecked somehow!
 I have no delay here using Mountain Lion!
 Might be worth a check!
 
 hth Colin
 
 On 11 Dec 2012, at 16:52, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 What type of scripts are these the plain Apple script language?
 
 
 
 On 12/11/2012 08:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a
 factor in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after one
 press is definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first time I press
 the key combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much more responsive.
 
 I will report this to Apple.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or
 small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a problem
 if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo through the help
 menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net
 wrote:
 
 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried
 it even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.
 
 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after
 pressing VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on
 Wikipedia is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after full
 stops and commas and when a link is announced. Also the info how many
 objects a header on a web page has takes to much time for me. At least on my
 german OS VO announces the objects in a header followed by a very long
 pause. Yes, I know of the Reader. But it's also annoying to hear again and
 again clickable at the end of a line.
 
 But honestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long
 as VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents
 or the VoiceOver calendar issue in iOS.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:
 
 Alex and Teresa,
 
 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not
 often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such as
 opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands there
 is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.
 Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, I use
 Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even though the voice
 used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other times.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information 
 has to be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then 
 the voice used has to be looked for and loaded if it is not 
 already being used. Does the script use a voice that vo is not 
 using by default? If so, I have a script that uses vo's own speech,
 speeding the process a good deal.
 
 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press 
 right-option-t for time as the default for the VO keyboard 
 commander time and date, there's about a twenty-second delay 
 before anything is spoken. I'm just curious if anyone else has
 experienced this.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
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 Forsyte Saga
 
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RE: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

No. Go to text to speech in system preferences. Voiceover can be set to use
a different voice itself.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Hogue
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Interestingly.  I have my system voice set to Fred, and I used Fred for all
other voices, so I'm not sure what would cause the delay.  I just went to
check the system voice I have set, and the only thing I see under VoiceOver
Utility is an option for Default Voice, which is the closest thing I see
to a system voice.  Is this what you're referring to?

Thanks.

Harry

On dic 11, 2012, at 11:17 a.m., Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 It will, it will just use the normal system voice, thus causing the delay.
 Trust me, I've tried it.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Hogue
 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:21 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t 
 Keys

 Hello,

 I have that checkbox checke in my VO preferences.  I don't think the 
 script would function at all, otherwise.

 Thanks,

 Harry

 On dic 11, 2012, at 11:13 a.m., Red.Falcon 
 velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote:

 Hi guys!
 I have heard of sometimes check boxes can become unchecked so I was
 wondering if those of you having this delay has the [use allow VO  to 
 be controlled with apple scripts ] has been unchecked somehow!
 I have no delay here using Mountain Lion!
 Might be worth a check!

 hth Colin

 On 11 Dec 2012, at 16:52, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello there,

 What type of scripts are these the plain Apple script language?

 On 12/11/2012 08:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Hi, guys,

 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a
 factor in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after 
 one press is definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first 
 time I press the key combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much
more responsive.

 I will report this to Apple.

 Thanks,
 Teresa

 On the other hand, there are different fingers.

 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, 
 big or
 small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a 
 problem if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo 
 through the help menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad
commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger 
 apple-engl...@fleger.net
 wrote:

 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just 
 tried
 it even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time
today.

 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after
 pressing VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an 
 article on Wikipedia is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much 
 delay after full stops and commas and when a link is announced. Also 
 the info how many objects a header on a web page has takes to much 
 time for me. At least on my german OS VO announces the objects in a 
 header followed by a very long pause. Yes, I know of the Reader. But 
 it's also annoying to hear again and again clickable at the end of a
line.

 But honestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as 
 long
 as VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text 
 documents or the VoiceOver calendar issue in iOS.

 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:

 Alex and Teresa,

 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I 
 do not
 often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, 
 such as
 opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands 
 opt+there
 is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.
 Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, 
 I use Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even though 
 the voice used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other
times.

 I hope this helps.

 Harry

 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information 
 has to be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then 
 the voice used has to be looked for and loaded if it is not 
 already being used. Does the script use a voice that vo is not 
 using by default? If so, I have a script that uses vo's own 
 speech,
 speeding the process a good deal.

 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,

 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press

Re: please can some one recommend an accessible alternative to iTunes that will allow me to mannege my current iTunes libary and iPod?

2012-12-11 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hmmm, interesting prospective.  To each their own I guess.  I may regret 
commenting on this but, oh well.

I, too, am perfectly capable of organizing my music and other media, but if I 
can automate the process through iTunes, then all the power to me.  I've got 
enough things to do in my life without spending hours organizing something that 
can be accomplished much faster through iTunes.  I still have the power to 
manage what items I wished synced to my iDevices and what I wish left off.  The 
background organization is immaterial to what media I wish to play.

Additionally, media purchased through iTunes has DRM attached.  I realize that 
the majority of the music no longer is affected by this but most movies, TV 
shows and books still require this by the publishers in order for them to 
release digital copies.  This DRM is attached to your Apple ID and consequently 
to your iTunes purchases.  I don't believe that Apple is in the business of 
sharing media and if iDevices were configured as little external HDs, then I 
believe that Apple's responsibility to these publishers would be compromised.

Now, this is simply my opinion, so you're welcome to do whatever you wish with 
it.  I do believe, though, that many of the folks who don't like to use iTunes 
are not totally familiar with how to use it and thus prefer apps that do things 
in ways that they are more accustomed to.  That's kind of human nature as we're 
all resistant to change to some degree.

I'll stop now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-12-11, at 7:07 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not an iTunes fan. In fact, if Android ever gets their
 acessibility act together, it will be the biggest reason I change from
 an Apple portable device to an Android one. Why should I have to run a
 piece of bloated software to simply transfer data from my computer to
 my phone? Yes, there are alternatives like Dropbox and such, but these
 require an internet connection to access the data. I like the idea of
 plugging my device in to a USB port on my mac or Windows machine, and
 just having the phone show up as a drive. I don't need software to
 organize my music, I'm quite capable of doing that myself. Then, I
 should be able to just seemlessly move files from one location to
 another. At this point, Android still stinks in terms of braille
 support and the number of accessible apps seems to be small, so I
 stick with iOS. But having to run iTunes may be what eventually pushes
 me away to another platform. However, as long as Apple is the biggest
 provider of accessible stuff, I'll stick with them. But if another
 platform ever gets to this level, it'll certainly be a consideration.
 
 Scott
 
 On 12/11/12, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nothing is as accessible as iTunes in my opinion. It is the best in
 terms of accessibility and is even better with the release of iTunes 11.
 Is there anythig we can do to convince you to stay with iTunes?
 
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 
 On 11/12/2012 01:52, trahern culver wrote:
 hey all please can some one recommend an accessable itunes alternative
 that will let me manage my current iTunes libary ipod and iPhone?
 
 your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards
 trahern.
 
 
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Re: apple TV?

2012-12-11 Thread Michael Babcock

The Apple TV two came out sometime in 2010, the third-generation however did 
not come out until the beginning of 2012. In form factor, and functionality 
they both are pretty much the same. Except for a more clear high definition 
picture.

You can now call toll-free:
855-898-2582, extension 7301
To reach me.
Thanks
Check out the new, and improved, radioflathead.com, Voicing the  randomness.
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On Dec 11, 2012, at 3:35 AM, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote:

 When did it hit the shelf?  Trying to make sure I
 M getting the right one.
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
 Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 2:51 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: apple TV?
  
 Third generation is the latest. There’s no difference from a Voiceover or 
 physical design perspective, however, the only thing the latest one can do is 
 play 1080P content.
  
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton
 Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 2:49 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: apple TV?
  
 What version of apple TV Is the latest?  I was on amazon, and thought it was 
 v2, but the search brought up something with v3.  So witch is right, 2 or 3?
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Re: fusion drive?

2012-12-11 Thread rashantha de silva

Making sure Trim Support is enabled in your SSD will provide longer life for 
the SSD.

We will be coming out with Fusion drives that you can connect to Mac Towers as 
well as our QUO machines.

http://facebook.com/quocomputer

But you are correct that they have a finite cycle. That is why we are coming 
out with fusion drives where the SSDs can be replaced so that your data will 
remain in tact.

On Dec 11, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

 Dear listers,
 
 I'm thinking about buying a mac mini, to replace my old windows box that 
 holds a lot of mp3 data for us. I'm very satisfied with regular hard disks. 
 Some are still alive after 8 years of continuous spinning 24 7. I heard that 
 the flash memory though, which is also part of a fusion drive in the newer 
 mac machines, have a finite number of reads and writes, typically around 2 to 
 3 years. Is there anything clever to say about a fusion drive? Would a fusion 
 drive be more likely to die early than a regular hard drive? I'm wondering 
 weather or not to get that fusion drive. Any advice?
 
 Thanks in advance,
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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Hi, I changed the system voice, but I, at least, still have the delay.  This is 
very interesting.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Harry

On dic 11, 2012, at 11:32 a.m., Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

 No. Go to text to speech in system preferences. Voiceover can be set to use
 a different voice itself.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Hogue
 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:37 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys
 
 Interestingly.  I have my system voice set to Fred, and I used Fred for all
 other voices, so I'm not sure what would cause the delay.  I just went to
 check the system voice I have set, and the only thing I see under VoiceOver
 Utility is an option for Default Voice, which is the closest thing I see
 to a system voice.  Is this what you're referring to?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 11, 2012, at 11:17 a.m., Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 It will, it will just use the normal system voice, thus causing the delay.
 Trust me, I've tried it.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Hogue
 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:21 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t 
 Keys
 
 Hello,
 
 I have that checkbox checke in my VO preferences.  I don't think the 
 script would function at all, otherwise.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 11, 2012, at 11:13 a.m., Red.Falcon 
 velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys!
 I have heard of sometimes check boxes can become unchecked so I was
 wondering if those of you having this delay has the [use allow VO  to 
 be controlled with apple scripts ] has been unchecked somehow!
 I have no delay here using Mountain Lion!
 Might be worth a check!
 
 hth Colin
 
 On 11 Dec 2012, at 16:52, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 What type of scripts are these the plain Apple script language?
 
 
 
 On 12/11/2012 08:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a
 factor in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after 
 one press is definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first 
 time I press the key combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much
 more responsive.
 
 I will report this to Apple.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, 
 big or
 small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a 
 problem if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo 
 through the help menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad
 commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger 
 apple-engl...@fleger.net
 wrote:
 
 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just 
 tried
 it even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time
 today.
 
 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after
 pressing VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an 
 article on Wikipedia is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much 
 delay after full stops and commas and when a link is announced. Also 
 the info how many objects a header on a web page has takes to much 
 time for me. At least on my german OS VO announces the objects in a 
 header followed by a very long pause. Yes, I know of the Reader. But 
 it's also annoying to hear again and again clickable at the end of a
 line.
 
 But honestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as 
 long
 as VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text 
 documents or the VoiceOver calendar issue in iOS.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:
 
 Alex and Teresa,
 
 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I 
 do not
 often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, 
 such as
 opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands 
 opt+there
 is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.
 Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, 
 I use Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even though 
 the voice used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other
 times.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information 
 has to be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then 
 the voice used has to be looked for and loaded if it is not 
 already being used. Does the script use a voice that vo is not 
 using by

Re: please can some one recommend an accessible alternative to iTunes that will allow me to mannege my current iTunes libary and iPod?

2012-12-11 Thread Scott Davert

Hi Kim.
I can certainly understand the DRM issues, and I know that managing
your collection through the library can be easier, and with iTunes
specific content it certainly is, but one should not be forced to use
iTunes if they do not wish. For example, if I have a text file that
I'd like to read using notes or a presentation I want to quickly
access, I cannot just drop the file into the flashdisk on my phone
without adding it to my iTunes library and syncing. iTunes takes a
process which should be very simple and makes it complicated. For
those who wish to use iTunes for this sort of thing, I certainly think
it should be an option, but for those of us who just quickly want to
add and remove things and get on with it, it would be nice to have the
ability to just have iDevices show up as drives in Finder/Explorer.
So, as a content managing software, I agree with you, I just don't
think you should be required to run iTunes to get content on to your
iDevice. Also, please note that I'm not attacking anyone here, just
having a discussion. (smiles).

Scott

On 12/11/12, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmmm, interesting prospective.  To each their own I guess.  I may regret
 commenting on this but, oh well.

 I, too, am perfectly capable of organizing my music and other media, but if
 I can automate the process through iTunes, then all the power to me.  I've
 got enough things to do in my life without spending hours organizing
 something that can be accomplished much faster through iTunes.  I still have
 the power to manage what items I wished synced to my iDevices and what I
 wish left off.  The background organization is immaterial to what media I
 wish to play.

 Additionally, media purchased through iTunes has DRM attached.  I realize
 that the majority of the music no longer is affected by this but most
 movies, TV shows and books still require this by the publishers in order for
 them to release digital copies.  This DRM is attached to your Apple ID and
 consequently to your iTunes purchases.  I don't believe that Apple is in the
 business of sharing media and if iDevices were configured as little external
 HDs, then I believe that Apple's responsibility to these publishers would be
 compromised.

 Now, this is simply my opinion, so you're welcome to do whatever you wish
 with it.  I do believe, though, that many of the folks who don't like to use
 iTunes are not totally familiar with how to use it and thus prefer apps that
 do things in ways that they are more accustomed to.  That's kind of human
 nature as we're all resistant to change to some degree.

 I'll stop now.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On 2012-12-11, at 7:07 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not an iTunes fan. In fact, if Android ever gets their
 acessibility act together, it will be the biggest reason I change from
 an Apple portable device to an Android one. Why should I have to run a
 piece of bloated software to simply transfer data from my computer to
 my phone? Yes, there are alternatives like Dropbox and such, but these
 require an internet connection to access the data. I like the idea of
 plugging my device in to a USB port on my mac or Windows machine, and
 just having the phone show up as a drive. I don't need software to
 organize my music, I'm quite capable of doing that myself. Then, I
 should be able to just seemlessly move files from one location to
 another. At this point, Android still stinks in terms of braille
 support and the number of accessible apps seems to be small, so I
 stick with iOS. But having to run iTunes may be what eventually pushes
 me away to another platform. However, as long as Apple is the biggest
 provider of accessible stuff, I'll stick with them. But if another
 platform ever gets to this level, it'll certainly be a consideration.

 Scott

 On 12/11/12, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nothing is as accessible as iTunes in my opinion. It is the best in
 terms of accessibility and is even better with the release of iTunes 11.
 Is there anythig we can do to convince you to stay with iTunes?


 Christopher Hallsworth

 On 11/12/2012 01:52, trahern culver wrote:
 hey all please can some one recommend an accessable itunes alternative
 that will let me manage my current iTunes libary ipod and iPhone?

 your help with this question would be most welcome kind regards
 trahern.


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RE: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Did you make sure the box that says allow VoiceOver to be controlled by
apple scripts is checked in VoiceOver utility? If ti isn't, you'll have the
delay

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Hogue
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Hi, I changed the system voice, but I, at least, still have the delay.  This
is very interesting.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Harry

On dic 11, 2012, at 11:32 a.m., Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

 No. Go to text to speech in system preferences. Voiceover can be set 
 to use a different voice itself.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Hogue
 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:37 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t 
 Keys

 Interestingly.  I have my system voice set to Fred, and I used Fred 
 for all other voices, so I'm not sure what would cause the delay.  I 
 just went to check the system voice I have set, and the only thing I 
 see under VoiceOver Utility is an option for Default Voice, which is 
 the closest thing I see to a system voice.  Is this what you're referring
to?

 Thanks.

 Harry

 On dic 11, 2012, at 11:17 a.m., Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 It will, it will just use the normal system voice, thus causing the
delay.
 Trust me, I've tried it.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Hogue
 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:21 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t 
 Keys

 Hello,

 I have that checkbox checke in my VO preferences.  I don't think the 
 script would function at all, otherwise.

 Thanks,

 Harry

 On dic 11, 2012, at 11:13 a.m., Red.Falcon 
 velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote:

 Hi guys!
 I have heard of sometimes check boxes can become unchecked so I was
 wondering if those of you having this delay has the [use allow VO  to 
 be controlled with apple scripts ] has been unchecked somehow!
 I have no delay here using Mountain Lion!
 Might be worth a check!

 hth Colin

 On 11 Dec 2012, at 16:52, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello there,

 What type of scripts are these the plain Apple script language?

 On 12/11/2012 08:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Hi, guys,

 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's 
 a
 factor in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after 
 one press is definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first 
 time I press the key combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are 
 much
 more responsive.

 I will report this to Apple.

 Thanks,
 Teresa

 On the other hand, there are different fingers.

 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, 
 big or
 small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a 
 problem if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo 
 through the help menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad
 commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger 
 apple-engl...@fleger.net
 wrote:

 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just 
 tried
 it even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time
 today.

 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after
 pressing VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an 
 article on Wikipedia is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much 
 delay after full stops and commas and when a link is announced. Also 
 the info how many objects a header on a web page has takes to much 
 time for me. At least on my german OS VO announces the objects in a 
 header followed by a very long pause. Yes, I know of the Reader. But 
 it's also annoying to hear again and again clickable at the end of 
 a
 line.

 But honestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as 
 long
 as VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text 
 documents or the VoiceOver calendar issue in iOS.

 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:

 Alex and Teresa,

 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I 
 do not
 often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, 
 such as
 opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands 
 opt+there
 is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.
 Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, 
 I use Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even though 
 the

Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

2012-12-11 Thread Jürgen Fleger

Hi Alex,

you wrote: 
As to clicks, you can mute vo through the help menus (vo-h) or by setting up a 
keyboard or trackpad commander to do it.

I didn't get that. Could you please explain a little bit mor?

Am 11.12.2012 um 16:12 schrieb Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com:

 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or small. 
 They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a problem if they 
 don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo through the help menus 
 (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net wrote:
 
 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried it 
 even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.
 
 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after pressing VO + 
 a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on Wikipedia is no 
 fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after full stops and commas 
 and when a link is anounced. Also the info how many objects a header on a 
 web page has takes to much time for me. At least on my german OS VO anounces 
 the objects in a header followed by a very long pause. Yes, I know of the 
 Reader. But it's also annoying to hear again and again clickable at the 
 end of a line.
 
 But honnestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long as 
 VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents or 
 the VoiceOver calender issue in iOS.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:
 
 Alex and Teresa,
 
 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not often 
 use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such as opt+B 
 for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands there is a 
 lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.  Once it 
 is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, I use Fred on 
 a regular basis, and still find this delay even though the voice used for 
 the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other times.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has to
 be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the voice used
 has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already being used. Does
 the script use a voice that vo is not using by default? If so, I have
 a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding the process a good deal.
 
 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t for time
 as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and date, there's about 
 a
 twenty-second delay before anything is spoken. I'm just curious if anyone
 else has experienced this.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

2012-12-11 Thread Jürgen Fleger

I don't think it's because of loading time. Just think of what killer machines 
Computer we have today. An Apple script is a little tiny piece of text. The 
computer can handle that like nothing.

Am 11.12.2012 um 16:40 schrieb Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com:

 What needs to happen is for Apple to include basic scripts like this right 
 inside vo, so there is no loading going on. All screen readers have keys to 
 read time, date, and battery status, so vo should be no different. Instead of 
 just reporting that reading the time can be very slow, I encourage you to ask 
 for these basics to be built into vo from the start, avoiding the load 
 problem altogether.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I believe that's normal behavior, since as someone pointed out before, the
 script that is attached to that keystroke has to be loaded into memory
 first, which on some machines takes a while. I seriously don't think they'll
 say much about it, since it doesn't seem to be a bug.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:29 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys
 
 Hi, guys,
 
 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a factor
 in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after one press is
 definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first time I press the key
 combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much more responsive.
 
 I will report this to Apple.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or
 small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a problem
 if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo through the help
 menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net
 wrote:
 
 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried it
 even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.
 
 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after pressing
 VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on Wikipedia
 is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after full stops and
 commas and when a link is anounced. Also the info how many objects a header
 on a web page has takes to much time for me. At least on my german OS VO
 anounces the objects in a header followed by a very long pause. Yes, I know
 of the Reader. But it's also annoying to hear again and again clickable at
 the end of a line.
 
 But honnestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long as
 VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents or
 the VoiceOver calender issue in iOS.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:
 
 Alex and Teresa,
 
 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not
 often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such as
 opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands there
 is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use much.
 Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the voice, I use
 Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even though the voice
 used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses at other times.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has 
 to be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the 
 voice used has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already 
 being used. Does the script use a voice that vo is not using by 
 default? If so, I have a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding the
 process a good deal.
 
 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t 
 for time as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and 
 date, there's about a twenty-second delay before anything is 
 spoken. I'm just curious if anyone else has experienced this.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

2012-12-11 Thread Agent086b

Hi, is it possible to have the time read in 24 hour format?
Thanks.
Max.
On 11/12/2012, at 4:56 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has to
 be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the voice used
 has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already being used. Does
 the script use a voice that vo is not using by default? If so, I have
 a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding the process a good deal.
 
 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t for time
 as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and date, there's about a
 twenty-second delay before anything is spoken. I'm just curious if anyone
 else has experienced this.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
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New Tech Doctor podcast entitled Accessible Books

2012-12-11 Thread ROBERT CARTER

In this 25 minute podcast, the Tech Doctor discusses the hardware, software and 
services that he uses to read electronic books.

The podcast is available on iTunes, via iBlink Radio or directly from the 
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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Hi, Colin. Good catch, but in my case, the checkbox was checked.

Teresa


Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Dec 11, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com 
wrote:

 Hi guys!
 I have heard of sometimes check boxes can become unchecked so I was wondering 
 if those of you having this delay has the [use allow VO  to be controlled 
 with apple scripts ] has been unchecked somehow!
 I have no delay here using Mountain Lion!
 Might be worth a check!
 
 hth Colin
 
 On 11 Dec 2012, at 16:52, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 What type of scripts are these the plain Apple script language?
 
 
 
 On 12/11/2012 08:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 Yes, I use the Alex voice for everything, so I don't think that's a factor 
 in my case. However, the question of more responsiveness after one press is 
 definitely a factor. I only notice the delay the first time I press the key 
 combo in a long time. Subsequent presses are much more responsive.
 
 I will report this to Apple.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
 On the other hand, there are different fingers.
 
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would not hesitate to ask Apple for any fix you can think of, big or 
 small. They can prioritize things, but they will never know to fix a 
 problem if they don't know it exists. As to clicks, you can mute vo 
 through the help menus (vo-h) or by setting up a keyboard or trackpad 
 commander to do it.
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net 
 wrote:
 
 Interesting. Here's usually a delay of 3 seconds maximum. I just tried it 
 even without any delay. Might be because it was not the first time today.
 
 Topic delay: I experience an annoying delay on web pages after pressing 
 VO + a to read from the cursor. For example to read an article on 
 Wikipedia is no fun. It takes ages. For me there's to much delay after 
 full stops and commas and when a link is announced. Also the info how 
 many objects a header on a web page has takes to much time for me. At 
 least on my german OS VO announces the objects in a header followed by a 
 very long pause. Yes, I know of the Reader. But it's also annoying to 
 hear again and again clickable at the end of a line.
 
 But honestly: I don't dare to ask Apple for such small things as long as 
 VoiceOver contains the real big bugs as pdf or tables in text documents 
 or the VoiceOver calendar issue in iOS.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 11.12.2012 um 08:20 schrieb Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com:
 
 Alex and Teresa,
 
 I have found this same issue, and have this theory as well.  I do not 
 often use the keyboard commander VoiceOVer scripts for this reason, such 
 as opt+B for battery, opt+M for Mail, etc.  With each of these commands 
 there is a lengthy delay that doesn't make the command practical to use 
 much.  Once it is loaded into memory, it then works fine.  As for the 
 voice, I use Fred on a regular basis, and still find this delay even 
 though the voice used for the script is the same one that VoiceOver uses 
 at other times.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Harry
 
 On dic 10, 2012, at 10:56 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has to
 be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the voice used
 has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already being used. Does
 the script use a voice that vo is not using by default? If so, I have
 a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding the process a good deal.
 
 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t for 
 time
 as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and date, there's 
 about a
 twenty-second delay before anything is spoken. I'm just curious if 
 anyone
 else has experienced this.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
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Re: please can some one recommend an accessible alternative to iTunes that will allow me to mannege my current iTunes libary and iPod?

2012-12-11 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi Scott,

Fair enough.  I understand your frustration with those sorts of documents.  
Before iCloud and Google Drive, I found it problematic using iTunes to access 
documents on my iPhone/iPad.  As a matter of interest, using iCloud, and/or 
Google Drive you can easily share documents between your Mac and iDevices.  
These documents are shared both locally on the machine/device and in the Cloud. 
 This makes it a much more user friendly way of accessing documents that you 
wish to access anywhere.  Using both Pages and TextEdit on your Mac allows you 
to place documents into iCloud that are, thus, accessible on the iDevice.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-12-11, at 12:41 PM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Kim.
 I can certainly understand the DRM issues, and I know that managing
 your collection through the library can be easier, and with iTunes
 specific content it certainly is, but one should not be forced to use
 iTunes if they do not wish. For example, if I have a text file that
 I'd like to read using notes or a presentation I want to quickly
 access, I cannot just drop the file into the flashdisk on my phone
 without adding it to my iTunes library and syncing. iTunes takes a
 process which should be very simple and makes it complicated. For
 those who wish to use iTunes for this sort of thing, I certainly think
 it should be an option, but for those of us who just quickly want to
 add and remove things and get on with it, it would be nice to have the
 ability to just have iDevices show up as drives in Finder/Explorer.
 So, as a content managing software, I agree with you, I just don't
 think you should be required to run iTunes to get content on to your
 iDevice. Also, please note that I'm not attacking anyone here, just
 having a discussion. (smiles).
 
 Scott
 
 On 12/11/12, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmmm, interesting prospective.  To each their own I guess.  I may regret
 commenting on this but, oh well.
 
 I, too, am perfectly capable of organizing my music and other media, but if
 I can automate the process through iTunes, then all the power to me.  I've
 got enough things to do in my life without spending hours organizing
 something that can be accomplished much faster through iTunes.  I still have
 the power to manage what items I wished synced to my iDevices and what I
 wish left off.  The background organization is immaterial to what media I
 wish to play.
 
 Additionally, media purchased through iTunes has DRM attached.  I realize
 that the majority of the music no longer is affected by this but most
 movies, TV shows and books still require this by the publishers in order for
 them to release digital copies.  This DRM is attached to your Apple ID and
 consequently to your iTunes purchases.  I don't believe that Apple is in the
 business of sharing media and if iDevices were configured as little external
 HDs, then I believe that Apple's responsibility to these publishers would be
 compromised.
 
 Now, this is simply my opinion, so you're welcome to do whatever you wish
 with it.  I do believe, though, that many of the folks who don't like to use
 iTunes are not totally familiar with how to use it and thus prefer apps that
 do things in ways that they are more accustomed to.  That's kind of human
 nature as we're all resistant to change to some degree.
 
 I'll stop now.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-12-11, at 7:07 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm not an iTunes fan. In fact, if Android ever gets their
 acessibility act together, it will be the biggest reason I change from
 an Apple portable device to an Android one. Why should I have to run a
 piece of bloated software to simply transfer data from my computer to
 my phone? Yes, there are alternatives like Dropbox and such, but these
 require an internet connection to access the data. I like the idea of
 plugging my device in to a USB port on my mac or Windows machine, and
 just having the phone show up as a drive. I don't need software to
 organize my music, I'm quite capable of doing that myself. Then, I
 should be able to just seemlessly move files from one location to
 another. At this point, Android still stinks in terms of braille
 support and the number of accessible apps seems to be small, so I
 stick with iOS. But having to run iTunes may be what eventually pushes
 me away to another platform. However, as long as Apple is the biggest
 provider of accessible stuff, I'll stick with them. But if another
 platform ever gets to this level, it'll certainly be a consideration.
 
 Scott
 
 On 12/11/12, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nothing is as accessible as iTunes in my opinion. It is the best in
 terms of accessibility and is even better with the release of iTunes 11.
 Is there anythig we can do to convince you to stay with iTunes?
 
 
 Christopher Hallsworth
 
 On 11/12/2012 01:52, trahern culver wrote:
 hey all

my apple product line is complete!

2012-12-11 Thread Kliphton

Well, I hesitated on buying apple TV in the past, since Netflix barely has
anything I don't, but I am a big hulu plus user, actually cut the cable cord
because of it's use.  And since I have added my whole 2TB movie collection
to iTunes, it makes more since to get one.  Mainly so I don't need sited
help like I do with my other set top media straming player.  So, how do I
enable voice over, will I need sited help, or can I turn it on myself?

 

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Itunes podcast

2012-12-11 Thread Agent086b

Hello all, there is a podcast on using iTunes on the Mac by David Woodbridge. I 
think if you go to AppleVis you should find it there.
I have downloaded it but have not had time to listen yet. 
Max.

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RE: my apple product line is complete!

When you plug it into your tv and plug the power in, give it a few moments,
and it will guide you through the setup. It'll tell you how to enable
VoiceOver, so just pay attention to the prompt

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Subject: my apple product line is complete!

Well, I hesitated on buying apple TV in the past, since Netflix barely has
anything I don't, but I am a big hulu plus user, actually cut the cable cord
because of it's use.  And since I have added my whole 2TB movie collection
to iTunes, it makes more since to get one.  Mainly so I don't need sited
help like I do with my other set top media straming player.  So, how do I
enable voice over, will I need sited help, or can I turn it on myself?

Kliphton Senior

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(TwitterSkype) kliphton72

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FS:quad core mac book pro and focusrite firewire audio/midi interface.

2012-12-11 Thread Cameron Strife

Hi everybody. I'm selling my quad core mac book pro and focusrite
saffire pro 24 dsp firewire audio/midi interface. This is a great
little rig for pro tools or garage band on mac as well as sonar via
bootcamp and windows seven.

Please write me off list for specs or to make an offer.

Thanks,

Cameron.

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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

2012-12-11 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
This was asked a while ago!
The conclusion is that some nice person who is good with Apple scripts might 
consider making a new script to speak in 24hr otherwise you will have to find 
the script that is already there and adjust it to do what you want!
hth Colin
 
On 11 Dec 2012, at 20:23, Agent086b agent0...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Hi, is it possible to have the time read in 24 hour format?
 Thanks.
 Max.
 On 11/12/2012, at 4:56 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Me too. My theory is that the script to speak the information has to
 be pulled from the hard drive and loaded into ram, then the voice used
 has to be looked for and loaded if it is not already being used. Does
 the script use a voice that vo is not using by default? If so, I have
 a script that uses vo's own speech, speeding the process a good deal.
 
 On 12/11/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've noticed for quite some time that when I press right-option-t for time
 as the default for the VO keyboard commander time and date, there's about a
 twenty-second delay before anything is spoken. I'm just curious if anyone
 else has experienced this.
 
 Thanks,
 Teresa
 
 
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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

2012-12-11 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

Hey Alex and all. I actually found out as well that the right option key+T 
script doesn't use the same voice as Voiceover. I found out that it uses 
whatever your main system voice is using. That means if you were using Alex as 
your voice for Voiceover and you were using Samantha as your system voice, 
Samantha would be the one reading the time and date to you. I think this has 
happened since Lion, because when I used the command with the Snow Kitty I got 
no delay whatsoever. I hope this info doesn't confuse people.

Shawn
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Re: please can some one recommend an accessible alternative to iTunes that will allow me to mannege my current iTunes libary and iPod?

2012-12-11 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

Hmmm, sounds like we have another Apple hater on our hands. Good luck with 
hoping for Android to improve accessibility. As for the guy that had an issue 
with using Itunes with his iPod, if you find anything else besides Itunes, I'd 
love to hear it, because like it or not, we're stuck with what we got. Also you 
can use Itunes on your iPhone or iPod and purchase stuff there too if you have 
trouble with the Mac version.

Shawn
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Re: Delay Before Time and Date Spoken Using right-option-t Keys

Well, I'm not sure if this is a factor, but my system and default VO voice is 
Alex. Perhaps the delay occurs with using the system voice and not VO?

Teresa


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On Dec 11, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Alex and all. I actually found out as well that the right option key+T 
 script doesn't use the same voice as Voiceover. I found out that it uses 
 whatever your main system voice is using. That means if you were using Alex 
 as your voice for Voiceover and you were using Samantha as your system voice, 
 Samantha would be the one reading the time and date to you. I think this has 
 happened since Lion, because when I used the command with the Snow Kitty I 
 got no delay whatsoever. I hope this info doesn't confuse people.
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my white Mac Book
 
 
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