Best Logic user group for blind users

[Kevin Gibbs]

GUYS, 
I'm thinking of mygrating from Sonar to Logic. I understand that Logic Pro X 
has achieved a new level of accessibility with vO. Do any of you have 
recommendation  for a good Logic user group to join? 

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How to find your posts on this forum

[Kevin Gibbs]

Guys,
Is there a way to search on this group to find your posts, that is, to find 
posts that you have placed on this forum?  There are times when I want to find 
threads which I have started several weeks after I wrote them.What is the best 
way to do this?

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Re: Third Party Turn-by-Turn Direction Apps with Blindsquare (was, Seeing Eye GPS)

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Seeing Eye GPS doesn't have API that could be used to connect into it. As
soon it gets one, it will be available also in BlindSquare.

BlindSquare has such API so other apps can connect into it:
http://blindsquare.com/api/1-0/
In next version there will be even more possibilities, like starting
Search, Navigation, add POI, starting Look Around etc..


On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi guys
> I have tried BlindSquare with Navigon, and it works fine. I did try to
> send co-ordinates to The Seeing Eye GPS, and BlindSquare didn't recognize
> it. I guess because it's new.
>
> I have discovered that I would rather send co-ordinates from BlindSquare
> than type the address in to Navigon. I like its searches better.
>
> Regards,
> Gigi
>
> On Aug 10, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Ilkka Pirttimaa 
> wrote:
>
> Have you listened this:
> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-blindsquare-and-5-mainstream-gps-apps-ios
>
> "In this podcast, Mike Arrigo compares Google 
> Maps,
>  MotionX GPS 
> Drive,
>  Garmin 
> USA,
>  
> Navigon,
>  and 
> TomTom
>  when
> going on a walking route. He also demonstrates using 
> BlindSquare
>  to
> tell him of points of interest nearby."
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jessica Moss 
> wrote:
>
>> I was actually wondering the same thing.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2013, at 9:26 PM, Nicholas Parsons <
>> mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Motion X users,
>> > What does Motion X offer that free solutions such as Google and Apple
>> Maps do not?
>> > thanks,
>> > Nic
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Re: FCC seeks comment on Amazons request for waiver of accessibility requirements

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi Eric,

This is a sound idea as it places weight on the board. Have you made some 
general calculations on the number of blind/visually impaired individuals 
potentially capable of buying 10 amazon shares at 260 USD current?Far as i 
know, there are 45 million blind and visually impaired individuals around the 
world. Most of them in developing countries. Breaking it down to say, 
Australia, there are about 50 so far, of them i would be interested to know 
who fulfills the criterias of age and financial capability. Or, some of the 
organizations themselves, from the donations they get, could actually buy 
shares of various entities to get their message across.

There are complications and obstacles, but this is a very cool idea.

Best regards,

Yuma 
 


"Light has no value without darkness"



On 11/08/2013, at 12:13 PM, Sean Murphy  wrote:

> Eric,
> 
> I like your concept and is something that I have promoted with other people. 
> Not necessarily in the same method.
> 
> Government laws and education only goes so far. Money speaks far louder for 
> public companies. 
> 
> So Eric, drop me a note off line so we can compare notes.
> 
> Sean 
> On 09/08/2013, at 7:55 AM, eric oyen  wrote:
> 
>> well, there is one thing we can do to force the issue: everyone who is blind 
>> should buy up 10 shares of amazon stock and then assign it to a trusted 
>> proxy as a single voting block. If enough shares are allocated this way, the 
>> board of directors will have no choice but to listen. Its an idea I have 
>> suggested before, but it seems no one wants to do this, even when I know the 
>> method will work. This seems to be the one problem our community has: we 
>> can't seem to act in a unified fashion (I.E. the NFB v. the ACB, etc.). This 
>> needs to change or we will be stuck and marginalized.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm always torn in the discussions of regulating accessibility. On the one 
>>> side the lack of regulation means slacker companies will continue doing 
>>> what they have been while companies who care will continue doing a good 
>>> job. Once a law requiring accessibility hits a particular product the 
>>> discussion usually turns to discerning the minimum that can be done to pass 
>>> the bad smell test for the regulations (and avoid the fines). In other 
>>> words, compliance does not equal accessibility. It's the age old choice 
>>> between enlist or comply. If you enlist in the ideals I'm trying to 
>>> persuade you about you're more likely to do a good job and not need much 
>>> else to motivate your work. If you are complying then you're just trying to 
>>> avoid getting hit by my stick and will do the minimum possible to stay 
>>> beyond its reach. The former is the hope but the latter is CVAA and other 
>>> regulations. It's unfortunate that companies have not figured out that by 
>>> not doing accessibility when they had a choice means everybody is lessened 
>>> when the choices are gone. Companies now have to prove compliance and add a 
>>> lot of cost to the process and consumers get stuff that has the minimum 
>>> accessibility slapped together to pass whatever tests are being used. A 
>>> rather sad state.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 8/8/13 10:08 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 There are other choices. The newest versions of android are just as 
 accessible, and these are made by several manufacturers.
 Original message:
> Hi all,
 
> I really have to agree with Eric, here. In response to Barry, what Apple 
> did with the iPhone 3Gs was to make a main-stream device accessible to 
> us. And yes, that still has the potential to level the playing field . 
> But the playing field is hardly level if Apple is the only company doing 
> this, if for no other reason than what that means is that blind consumers 
> would only have one choice. I agree with Bary. I love my Apple products 
> and have absolutely no interest in personally owning a Kindle. But I work 
> with lots of students who do have them. Kindle does a lot more in 
> textbooks than other e-text providers, which means that people will want 
> to buy these devices for school. Isn't it reasonable to strive to have 
> the same level of choice in our mobile technology as our sighted peers? 
> Sandy is right, there's a big gap between the ideal and the current 
> reality, but that's a big reason why I think it's worth doing everything 
> we can to stop Amazon from getting this waiver. Barry may be correct, and 
> that all our comments may be for naught. However, the only way we'll know 
> is to try.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Aug 8, 2013, at 5:01 AM, eric oyen  wrote:
 
>> and what is wrong with that? the powers that be try every way to keep us 
>> penned up, but I do not accept that. We have the right to be able to 
>> live the same as others (at least here in the U.S.). So, why shoul

Re: FCC seeks comment on Amazons request for waiver of accessibility requirements

[Sean Murphy]

Eric,

I like your concept and is something that I have promoted with other people. 
Not necessarily in the same method.

Government laws and education only goes so far. Money speaks far louder for 
public companies. 

So Eric, drop me a note off line so we can compare notes.

Sean 
On 09/08/2013, at 7:55 AM, eric oyen  wrote:

> well, there is one thing we can do to force the issue: everyone who is blind 
> should buy up 10 shares of amazon stock and then assign it to a trusted proxy 
> as a single voting block. If enough shares are allocated this way, the board 
> of directors will have no choice but to listen. Its an idea I have suggested 
> before, but it seems no one wants to do this, even when I know the method 
> will work. This seems to be the one problem our community has: we can't seem 
> to act in a unified fashion (I.E. the NFB v. the ACB, etc.). This needs to 
> change or we will be stuck and marginalized.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Aug 8, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> I'm always torn in the discussions of regulating accessibility. On the one 
>> side the lack of regulation means slacker companies will continue doing what 
>> they have been while companies who care will continue doing a good job. Once 
>> a law requiring accessibility hits a particular product the discussion 
>> usually turns to discerning the minimum that can be done to pass the bad 
>> smell test for the regulations (and avoid the fines). In other words, 
>> compliance does not equal accessibility. It's the age old choice between 
>> enlist or comply. If you enlist in the ideals I'm trying to persuade you 
>> about you're more likely to do a good job and not need much else to motivate 
>> your work. If you are complying then you're just trying to avoid getting hit 
>> by my stick and will do the minimum possible to stay beyond its reach. The 
>> former is the hope but the latter is CVAA and other regulations. It's 
>> unfortunate that companies have not figured out that by not doing 
>> accessibility when they had a choice means everybody is lessened when the 
>> choices are gone. Companies now have to prove compliance and add a lot of 
>> cost to the process and consumers get stuff that has the minimum 
>> accessibility slapped together to pass whatever tests are being used. A 
>> rather sad state.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 8/8/13 10:08 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> There are other choices. The newest versions of android are just as 
>>> accessible, and these are made by several manufacturers.
>>> Original message:
 Hi all,
>>> 
 I really have to agree with Eric, here. In response to Barry, what Apple 
 did with the iPhone 3Gs was to make a main-stream device accessible to us. 
 And yes, that still has the potential to level the playing field . But the 
 playing field is hardly level if Apple is the only company doing this, if 
 for no other reason than what that means is that blind consumers would 
 only have one choice. I agree with Bary. I love my Apple products and have 
 absolutely no interest in personally owning a Kindle. But I work with lots 
 of students who do have them. Kindle does a lot more in textbooks than 
 other e-text providers, which means that people will want to buy these 
 devices for school. Isn't it reasonable to strive to have the same level 
 of choice in our mobile technology as our sighted peers? Sandy is right, 
 there's a big gap between the ideal and the current reality, but that's a 
 big reason why I think it's worth doing everything we can to stop Amazon 
 from getting this waiver. Barry may be correct, and that all our comments 
 may be for naught. However, the only way we'll know is to try.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Aug 8, 2013, at 5:01 AM, eric oyen  wrote:
>>> 
> and what is wrong with that? the powers that be try every way to keep us 
> penned up, but I do not accept that. We have the right to be able to live 
> the same as others (at least here in the U.S.). So, why should we accept 
> anything less?
>>> 
> -eric
>>> 
> On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>>> 
>> I recall a time not so long ago when i devices first became accessible, 
>> everyone thinking how that was going to level the playing field. It’s 
>> funny how quickly perspectives change.
>>> 
>> Now the bar has been raised even higher. The playing field will not be 
>> level until blind people have access to every cheep piece of crap in 
>> existence.
>> I should say that I’m happy with what Apple does and I have no desire to 
>> use anything else. That said however, I certainly think that it would be 
>> a very good think if other companies would realize the importance of 
>> opening their products up to other segments of society and not excluding 
>> them. I just don’t think that this is going to convince them.
>>> 
>> I don’t want to completely let Apple off the hook as it s

Re: Using a hearing aid and voiceover together

[Eugenia Firth]

Hello guys
I just wanted to tell you that your information was very helpful regarding the 
hearing aids with voice over. It turns out that the lady does have a hearing 
aid that will let her here voiceover. My husband helped her since he is cited 
and can see to know what she's doing. He knows enough about voiceover to ask 
when he needs a little help, but he could run pretty good. He taught her some 
things to do, and I think she is doing better.

I will keep your messages archived for a while until I know that she doesn't 
need the information.

Regards,
Gigi
On Aug 8, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:

> hello, I use a Bluetooth system that Internet onto my hearing aids that can 
> take the audio from a variety of devices, providing however that the our 
> Bluetooth capable such as the iPhone, or have a headphone jack and you can 
> plug a small transmitter into the device that will then transmit a Bluetooth 
> signal to what essentially is a Bluetooth repeater and/or Smalley Reeboks if 
> you will, such a system does exist with many popular hearing aid models I 
> just so happen to have one made by Siemens. I think it's called the Mini TAC. 
> What I do when I want to hear voiceover without any distractions, is I plug 
> the transmitter unit into the headphone jack of my MacBook Pro, and then use 
> the Bluetooth AV box that comes with the system change to the appropriate 
> channel that the Bluetooth receiver, can receive the output of the little 
> transmitter that I've plugged into the headphone jack of my MacBook Pro. This 
> works extremely well. If the person you are working with has this type of a 
> system what she needs to do is keep pressing the pairing button Intel B 
> Bluetooth AV box terrors with a transmitter that is taking the output of the 
> MacBook Pro and by using both of these devices one can essentially use their 
> hearing aids as headphones. Depending on the manufacturer the audio from the 
> computer can be mixed with the environmental audio that the hearing aids 
> would normally pick up, but what is likely to happen, is that the hearing 
> aids will have to turn off the environmental sound i.e. the built-in 
> microphones in the hearing aids in order to allow the hearing aids to receive 
> the output from the computer. If you need any more suggestions on how to use 
> the type of system I've described, and use please send me an email either on, 
> or off the list and I'll see if I can help you, and/or find resources to help 
> you. My full signature follows.
> Sent from my MacBook Pro.
> Sincerely Maurice mines secretary national Federation of the blind of 
> Washington Clark County chapter. Amateur radio call sign kd0iko. Phone 
> 360-524-0791.
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Re: Third Party Turn-by-Turn Direction Apps with Blindsquare (was, Seeing Eye GPS)

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys 
I have tried BlindSquare with Navigon, and it works fine. I did try to send 
co-ordinates to The Seeing Eye GPS, and BlindSquare didn't recognize it. I 
guess because it's new. 

I have discovered that I would rather send co-ordinates from BlindSquare than 
type the address in to Navigon. I like its searches better. 

Regards,
Gigi 

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> Have you listened this: 
> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-blindsquare-and-5-mainstream-gps-apps-ios
> 
> "In this podcast, Mike Arrigo compares Google Maps, MotionX GPS Drive, Garmin 
> USA, Navigon, and TomTom when going on a walking route. He also demonstrates 
> using BlindSquare to tell him of points of interest nearby."
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> I was actually wondering the same thing.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 9:26 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Motion X users,
> > What does Motion X offer that free solutions such as Google and Apple Maps 
> > do not?
> > thanks,
> > Nic
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Status on a braille display

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Folkes,

I've read about the meaning of the different status modules on a braille 
display. There are some I didn't understand. Could you please help me to get 
what they mean?

General status:
dot 3: System Volume, what does it mean if it's there or not?
dot 4: VO focus, what does that mean?
dot 5: Keaboard focus, I don't get that either.
dot 6: chosen, does it apear if text is selected?

Text status:
dot 8: quote block, does it mean a quote block on the internet?

Extended status, third braille sign on the display:
dot 7: shorted
dot 8: expanded


I hope very much you'll get what I mean because I simply translated the 
meanings to english and I'm not sure about the correct terms in your language.

So could you please help me to understand what the meaning of these braille 
dots is? The other ones were clear to me.

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen

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How to send a Facebook Page for friends to like

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all, With Facebook getting a little more accessible I am trying to manage a 
Page/Group I used to manage and wanted to send it to friends to like. I am 
constantly getting things to like from people, so figured why not bombard them. 
Anyway, I can't seem to figure out for the life of me how to send a page to 
friends to like. Has anyone done this successfully using the Facebook iPhone 
App or on the web. If so, please let me know where you find this, as I have 
gone in as the admin and through my regular Facebook account and can't seem to 
find a link to send to get people to like the group. Thanks,

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Re: Third Party Turn-by-Turn Direction Apps with Blindsquare (was, Seeing Eye GPS)

[Ilkka Pirttimaa]

Have you listened this:
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-blindsquare-and-5-mainstream-gps-apps-ios

"In this podcast, Mike Arrigo compares Google
Maps,
 MotionX GPS 
Drive,
 Garmin 
USA,
 
Navigon,
 and 
TomTom
when
going on a walking route. He also demonstrates using
BlindSquare
to
tell him of points of interest nearby."


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:

> I was actually wondering the same thing.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 9:26 PM, Nicholas Parsons <
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>
> > Hi Motion X users,
> > What does Motion X offer that free solutions such as Google and Apple
> Maps do not?
> > thanks,
> > Nic
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Re: Third Party Turn-by-Turn Direction Apps with Blindsquare (was, Seeing Eye GPS)

[Jessica Moss]

I was actually wondering the same thing.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Setting up activities.

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

There already is one.  It’s VO X.

hth

Ricardo Walker
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On Aug 10, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> I have a problem that frustrates me a lot. I am using braille, and if I 
> change the speech language, I would like my braille language to follow that 
> changes. This is not possible. unless you set up some activities.
> 
> I will do that, but can I set up a hotkey that lets me activate a speciffic 
> activity.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
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Setting up activities.

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi all.

I have a problem that frustrates me a lot. I am using braille, and if I change 
the speech language, I would like my braille language to follow that changes. 
This is not possible. unless you set up some activities.

I will do that, but can I set up a hotkey that lets me activate a speciffic 
activity.

Best regards Annie.

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Re: How Can videos be shared?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You could copy the file from iPhoto to your Desktop, open it in QuickTime from 
there and use the Sharing options built in to QuickTime.  Depending on the size 
of the file, you may not be able to eMail it as many ISP's have size 
restrictions.  QuickTime, though, has excellent compression so is able to 
usually make your file a sharable size.

Later...

On 2013-08-09, at 9:11 PM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> He tried sharing, but it says the video is too long. One is about seven and a 
> half minutes; the other three and three quarter minutes, so we need an 
> alternative. 
> Is there a way to get them into iMovie? they don't seem to be transferring 
> using iTunes. 
> Thanks.
> Christine
> 
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Joanne Chua  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You can use IMovie on Mac to send vedeo, or,
>> IMessage and send it as an attachment or
>> Mail, as a vedeo attachment or
>> share it thru dropbox, or
>> if it is on your phone, you can go to video, and tap on action, and it will 
>> give you different options to share or
>> if you go on photos on your phone, when you choose vedio, you can also tap 
>> on action on specific vedio to share and send as well
>> 
>> hope this help
>> 
>> The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.Joanne Chua
>> Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
>> Send from my iPad
>> 
>> On 10/08/2013, at 11:50, Christine Grassman  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, everyone. My husband took some videos which he wants to send to me 
>>> and others.  However, after syncing them to his MacBook from his iPhone and 
>>> attempting to send, he got a message that said you could not sen videos 
>>> from iPhoto, only photos. How can he send videos? Thanks.
>>> Christine
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Re: VoiceOver intro

[Alex Hall]

I think that setting only applies when Voiceover starts for the first time, but 
I could be wrong. Try restarting your computer and see if you get the dialog. 
As to the spoken message, I have a suspicion that it is simply getting cut off 
by another announcement. After all, especially if you have applications set to 
re-open upon starting your computer, VO will have a lot of things to tell you 
and the welcome message (different from the dialog) could simply be getting 
lost.
On Aug 10, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Gavin Grundlingh  wrote:

> Hi Joseph,
> 
> I've just tried turning on the check box for "Display welcome dialog when 
> VoiceOverstarts" and sure enough, no welcome message comes up when I turn 
> VoiceOver off and back on again. So, no, it appears to not only be on your 
> system.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> On 10 Aug 2013, at 12:27 AM, Joseph Norton  wrote:
> 
> Hi list:
> 
> Have you all noticed that, at least in Mountain Lion, there is no longer an 
> intro that plays the first time a user runs VoiceOver?  The option to display 
> the Welcome dialog still exists, but, effectively does nothing.  You can 
> still get the VoiceOver quickStart via the VO+Command+f8 keystroke, but, 
> unless a new user knows this, he may never get the Welcome message for the 
> first time.
> 
> Is this my system, or, is this something anyone else on the list can confirm?
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: VoiceOver intro

[Gavin Grundlingh]

Hi Joseph,

I've just tried turning on the check box for "Display welcome dialog when 
VoiceOverstarts" and sure enough, no welcome message comes up when I turn 
VoiceOver off and back on again. So, no, it appears to not only be on your 
system.

Regards,

Gavin Grundlingh
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On 10 Aug 2013, at 12:27 AM, Joseph Norton  wrote:

Hi list:

Have you all noticed that, at least in Mountain Lion, there is no longer an 
intro that plays the first time a user runs VoiceOver?  The option to display 
the Welcome dialog still exists, but, effectively does nothing.  You can still 
get the VoiceOver quickStart via the VO+Command+f8 keystroke, but, unless a new 
user knows this, he may never get the Welcome message for the first time.

Is this my system, or, is this something anyone else on the list can confirm?

Thanks!

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How To Make Folder Actions Occur Immediately

[Gavin Grundlingh]

Hi all,

I've written a folder action script to alert me when items have been added to 
my Downloads folder. The thing is, the action only gets triggered about 3 
seconds after adding items to the folder. Apparently, this is because either 
the "files received" or "files added" actions watch for changes in file size, 
and if no changes have been made in 3 seconds, the file is considered 
completely added, causing the desired folder action to occur.According to the 
article I read, this was done in Snow Leopard to prevent folder actions 
processing files before they are copied completely.

So my question is, can this 3 second delay be changed at all? All I want to do 
when items are added to my Downloads folder is have a sound play and VoiceOver 
speak a message.

Regards,

Gavin Grundlingh
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