Re: Highlighting a column in Numbers

2014-07-05 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi Tim,

great, that worked. Thanks a lot.

All the best
Jürgen

Am 05.07.2014 um 23:59 schrieb Tim Kilburn :

> Hi,
> 
> Press VO-shift-back slash, then arrow down once.  VO will announce "Column", 
> press return.  When in the Column Headers, VO-space on the column you wish 
> selected in its entirety.  Back out of the headers with VO-shift-back-slash 
> and Stop Interacting with the Table.  If you bring focus back to the Table 
> without Interacting with it, VO should read so many rows, so many columns and 
> announce that that many rows are selected.  If you wish to format these 
> selected cells, go into the Formatter area and do so.  If you Interact With 
> the Table, the selected cells should remain selected as long as you don't 
> move to a different cell.  If you wish to move around within the table, turn 
> Cursor Tracking off with VO-shift-f3.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
>> It doesn't work that way as far as I can tell. VoiceOver doesn't anounce 
>> anything about highlighting or so, unfortunately. Any other ideas?
>> Thanks
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> Am 05.07.2014 um 15:30 schrieb Phil Halton :
>> 
>>> Clicking the column header you know, a, B, etc. That will select of the 
>>> column. Another way to do it is simply to hold the shift key and press 
>>> command down arrow while you're at the top of the column. That should 
>>> select the entire column.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 3, 2014, at 4:47 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
 
 Hi Folks,
 
 I remember a way to highlight a column at once by moving the cursor to the 
 column head by pressing VO + Shift + Apostrophy (on german keyboards) and 
 choosing columns from the upcomming menue. So far so good. But I can't 
 remember what to press next to highlight the complete column at once. VO + 
 Spacebar didn't work as well as bringing up the context menue. 
 
 So could someone help me please to highlight the whole column?
 
 Thanks and all the best
 Jürgen
 
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Re: messages being delayed?

2014-07-05 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Yeah, I've had it happen to me as well.  Made me feel like I was slow on the 
uptake.  I had answered the question reasonably quick but by the time the 
message came back to me, numerous others had responded with the same thing.  
Not sure if it's a Google Groups thing either.  When I used to use a Gmail 
account for this list, my posts didn't return to me whereas now that I'm using 
my iCloud/me.com account I do see my posts in my InBox. It may have something 
to do with whether or not you're using a Gmail address or some other address, 
I'm not sure.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 5, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> Yeah, I get the same thing.  My first thought was just that this was part of 
> the vetting process for new subscribers, because I've only recently rejoined 
> here.  I don't do this on my Google groups, and as far as I can see all other 
> GG traffic goes to where it needs to be.  But you might like to ask Cara to 
> clarify, since I may be wrong about that.
> 
> BTW, as a general rule, it's easiest to transfer your "Reputation" by asking 
> Google to change your email address at your Google account, rather than 
> unsubscribing and then resubscribing by email.  Yes, this way you must meet 
> the Google interface, which is of course horrible, but it works well enough 
> to do this on the Mac, and saves you all the trouble of resubscribing.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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Re: Tandom equivalent for the Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi Sabahattin,

Regarding your comment about running OS X Server headlessly, I'm wondering what 
problems you're experiencing?  I run multiple Mavericks servers headlessly 
without problems, at least as far as I can tell.  Whether using the Server app 
from another computer, using the Server app on the headless server or going in 
via ssh, everything seems to work as it should for me.  I could be missing 
something, so would be interested to know.

Using ARD with VO to do regular admin tasks is fine, but taking it over, like 
you've mentioned, is where the huge problems come in from a VO prospective.  
Regular keyboard actions are passed through fine but as soon as you press your 
VO keys, focus is brought back to the original machine.  Pain in the neck in my 
world.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 5, 2014, at 5:09 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Apple has Apple Remote Desktop, for which the client and server parts are 
> already in the operating system, but for which the user interface is exposed 
> fully by the paid ARD application.
> 
> BTMM (Back To My Mac) is a specific method for accessing services on a remote 
> Mac with the help of Apple's infrastructure.  It supports Screen Sharing as 
> well as any other service, like file sharing, that is advertised using 
> Bonjour.  For what it is, it's pretty cool, but it does require that your 
> home router support UPnP or NAT-PMP to work, which increasingly won't be the 
> case now that public IP addresses are in short supply.
> 
> I asked Apple Accessibility to take some feedback I had about ARD.  My advice 
> is don't bother, because you can't use the keyboard to grab or ungrab the 
> controlling device; otherwise, it'd work as well as any other method 
> requiring the audio be piped back to you, i.e. using Skype.  Incidentally, 
> it's also a real bummer for those running OS X Server, because operating a 
> Mac completely headlessly when you're without sight turns out to be 
> more-or-less impossible now that the Server app is on the Mac App Store.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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Re: Frustrations with updating Adobe Flash player

2014-07-05 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Is it saying that it can't be opened because it's from an unidentified 
developer, or that it can't run the installer because you need to quit some 
running Flash app.  If it's the former, when you go to open the Install Flash 
app, use VO-shift-m to bring up the Contextual menu and choose Open from there. 
 If the latter, then you'll need to go into the Activity Monitor within your 
Utilities folder, and locate the "FlashBridge-Cross-Platform" activity.  Select 
it and quit the process in order for the installer to continue.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 5, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> I got it to the point where it asked if I wanted to open, and I did, but I 
> keep receiving a message that it can't be opened. I went into my applications 
> and downloads folders and deleted the .dmg  files, thinking I would 
> redownload, but my finder and desktop are still saying "install adobe flash 
> player, selected application." This is driving me nuts. 
> Christine
> 
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> HI,
>> 
>> Flash installers react better when you just use the tab and space keys, no 
>> VO keys.  So, use the tab key to move between elements and use the spacebar 
>> to activate the button.  VO should announce which element has focus as it 
>> lands on it.  This dialog is safe, as you've likely set Flash in your System 
>> Preferences to automatically notify you and attempt the installation of 
>> updates.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 4:46 AM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am receiving an update notification regarding adobe Flash player, but 
>>> nothing I do is starting the update. I have tried interacting and hitting 
>>> vo shift space or enter on download; I have tried interacting with where it 
>>> says image browser, but I am consistently  getting an error noise.
>>> I tried simply going to the applications folder and clicking there, and 
>>> while it seems to open, I am not receiving any indication that it is 
>>> installing, progressing, or finished. When I interact with HTML, it says 
>>> empty HTML.
>>> Any help is appreciated. 
>>> Christine
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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
But again, those are simply features of Objective-C.  If you simply don't use 
Objective-C features and therefore Objective-C syntax, your program is valid C 
source.  So if you learn the entire grammar of Objective-C, you also know the 
entire grammar of C, no matter how incidental it is to your use of Objective-C. 
 This simply can't be said for C++ or Java (the latter, BTW, much closer to 
Smalltalk in OO semantics, and also to Objective-C).

Now if you were to say that "Learning Objective-C does not result in a 
well-disciplined C programmer capable of withstanding the rigours of procedural 
programming", I'd definitely be inclined to agree with you.  But if people are 
going to learn to write iOS and Mac apps, it seems to me that Objective-C is a 
much better place to be if you intend writing other C programs in future, 
because you'll be able to use your knowledge to understand both C and many 
other languages.  Swift simply breaks from C in order to emphasise Apple's 
frameworks, which makes me sad.

Anyway, I think I've gone way off-course for this list, so I'll stop now.  But 
feel free to write me privately if you'd like to continue. :)

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Barry Hadder
Objective C is a super set of C.  It is the objective component of C.  If 
someone learns objc, it is a reasonable assumption that they have a lot of C 
experience.  If they don't' then they are going to have to learn C.   You never 
just right a program in OBJC.  You always have C mixed in with it.  You don't 
use one with out the other.
ARC is a compiler feature that you can turn off and there's still a lot of 
projects out there that don't even use ARC.  This is all considered legacy by 
Apple at this point as they have maid it very clear that Swift is their 
programming language going forward.  That's not to say that everybody is going 
to rewrite their apps in Swift immediately, but it is going to be fazed out at 
some point.  Probably within the next four years are so.  And yeah, it does 
make sense.


On Jul 5, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:

I beg to differ. Learning objective c -does not- mean that you know c. As I 
already said, objective c handles resource allocation and deletion for you via 
ARC. c also works differently in a lot of cases where objective c does not. 
Sure you don't have classes, but there are other differences as wel, including 
the preprocessor.

On 7/5/2014 9:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> I should have been clearer when I said that by learning Objective C one would 
> inherently know how to program in C, because I really meant to emphasise that 
> it's C you should learn, but as it happens it's actually the case, because 
> Objective-C is a proper superset of C, unlike C++.  So while you might learn 
> Objective-C simply to operate within Apple's infrastructure, still you are 
> learning the C language, which is just Objective-C without the 
> object-oriented bits.  Unfortunately, too many people come to C with the 
> expectation that it's as high-level as it looks, which is of course not the 
> case, though it's an easy mistake to make.
> 
> The ebook is Apple's official description of the language, a bit like "The C 
> Programming Language" (also on iBooks) is the canonical tome for C 
> programmers.  Highly recommended.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
> 


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Re: iCloud and online storage

2014-07-05 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Hi Robert,

If you just want the sync part, there is BitTorrent Sync or SyncThing.  These 
tools let you replicate changes across computers, in the fashion of Dropbox, 
but without a central server.  However, dumb clients like iOS devices can't 
access the data unless one of your machines is online at the time, and of 
course you don't get the convenience of maintaining a master copy and you'll 
have to remember to sync before a sync device is taken offline, or maintain a 
Mac 24/7 (I suggest a Mac Mini) to keep your master.  Yes, it's not as easy as 
Dropbox or iCloud, but it's safer.

In my opinion, Snowden showed us the power and determination of the US and 
British secret services, and their willingness to employ a tremendous battery 
of bulk surveillance tactics against innocent people.  I think that's an attack 
which we should all defend ourselves against to the best of our abilities.  I 
know, I know, but you don't have to be paranoid to care about your privacy.  
Just take steps to make it harder for the snoops, even if only a little bit.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: Tandom equivalent for the Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Justin Mann
Hi there,
Yes, but it is not nearly as good.  You can use iMessage, and setup a 
screenshare with the person's User ID, and you can hear the audio from the 
other computer's speakers.  It's slow, but it will work.
On Jul 4, 2014, at 6:11 AM, Ryan Mann  wrote:

> For those that don't know, Tandom is a feature in the JAWS screen reader that 
> allows a JAWS user to connect to another JAWS user's computer, hear what is 
> going on and even control that person's computer.  Neither person needs to 
> know the IP address.  Is there a way to do this with VoiceOver?
> 
> 
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Re: Downloading public previews

2014-07-05 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
If you've signed up as an Apple developer, go to developer.apple.com and sign 
in with your Apple ID.  Visit your Member Centre page, and you should find 
links to your enrolled programs there.  All that is required to begin receiving 
seed updates is a one-time change to your Software Update configuration, which 
you can find instructions for making at the downloads page for OS X Mavericks.

Be aware that both Mavericks and Yosemite now have public previews available 
for access by non-developers for testing, unlike iOS.  These don't cost 
anything, but don't appear to be released quite as frequently as the release 
seeds for developers and, in the case of Yosemite, aren't even guaranteed to be 
available to all who ask.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: iCloud and online storage

2014-07-05 Thread Alex Hall
Losing data is only a real concern if you lose access to your account; big 
companies like Google, Dropbox, Apple, and so on have so many redundancies in 
place that data loss on their end is really not a concern over which I lose 
sleep. Again, though, losing access to your account is a different matter, and 
it is why I enable two-factor authentication on everything I can, especially my 
Apple ID.

iCloud Drive is a feature that Apple announced at WWDC this year, and it will 
debut with the release of OS X Yosemite and iOS8 in the fall. It is basically a 
place where you can store files and folders, and those items become visible 
across all iCloud-enabled devices. So, you can save a text file in your iCloud 
drive and work on it with Text Edit on the Mac, then open up that same file 
with Pages or Nebulous on iOS, and you're still working with the same file. 
Given that this feature will coincide with a drop in iCloud storage prices, it 
becomes a great way to back up your data while making it accessible across all 
your devices.
On Jul 5, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Robert C  wrote:

> Alex and Tim,
>   I am not too concerned about actual security but more about losing data. 
> But if one also backs up locally, no worries. But another concern might be 
> inability to retrieve or sync data should one lose Internet access. But 
> thinking back to a recent loss of my cable connection, I found out if I 
> disabled wifi on the iPhone, I was able to access the Internet. I mention 
> this because I could not run certain apps until I disabled wifi, then was 
> able to use cellular data. I was surprised because I did not know I had to do 
> this.
> 
>   Anyway, maybe my thinking is that we may be becoming too dependent on 
> outside resources. But at the same time, I am starting to see some nice 
> benefits of using iCloud.
> 
>   About Cloud Drive, can you explain briefly what it is? Thanks again you 
> guys.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> "The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other 
> bastard die for his."
> --General George Patton (1885-1945)
> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
> E-mail-
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> 
> On 7/2/2014 10:37 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Personally, I haven't seen much downside to cloud storage services.  As Alex 
>> mentioned, some folks worry about snooping by governments and such when you 
>> store things in the cloud, but, all the power to them if they want to read 
>> my documents, learn about VoiceOver and other accessibility features along 
>> with any other mundane stuff I store out there.  Computers get stolen, 
>> memory sticks get lost, all sorts of things that we think are more secure 
>> than the cloud aren't necessarily so.  I love my Google Drive.  Like 
>> DropBox, I can be off-line, then as soon as I'm back on-line, everything 
>> added to or modified on my Google Drive is automatically synced up to the 
>> Cloud and I feel confident that I can access it wherever and whenever I need 
>> to.  Looking forward to when iCloud Drive comes into the picture.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2014, at 9:54 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> I can't speak for iCloud Drive, as that feature is not out yet. Using 
>>> Dropbox as an example, though, I think most people see it as a positive. 
>>> Yes, it stores your data in the cloud. That is not to say that it is only 
>>> accessible when you are online, though; Dropbox copies everything to your 
>>> local hard drive (or gives you the option to do so on iOS) so even if you 
>>> have no internet access you can still get to your files and folders. The 
>>> down side is definitely security; the government can see your files, 
>>> depending on the service you use, or someone who manages to hack into your 
>>> account can do serious damage. That is why I'm excited for iCloud Drive; 
>>> enable two-factor authentication, and it is suddenly almost impossible for 
>>> anyone to access your files. These are just my thoughts, and I'm not a 
>>> security expert or anything. Personally, though, I'm fine with putting my 
>>> essential files (writing projects, programming projects, resumes, and other 
>>> essentials) in Dropbox, thus ensuring they 
> are always backed up no matter what happens to my local machines. Of course, 
> services like Crashplan or Carbonite can do similar things, but I prefer to 
> just store the essentials in the cloud; it costs less and it easier to manage 
> when a restore is necessary.
>>> On Jul 2, 2014, at 11:14 PM, Robert C  wrote:
>>> 
   A message that was just posted prompts this question. It was not quite 
 in line with that post so started a new one.
 
   With so much attention to using online storage, such as Dropbox, iCloud 
 and so on, there is no doubt there are advantages to doing this especially 
 if one's offline storage is limited. But the downside?
 
   What are the inherent risks in particular if

Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
I beg to differ. Learning objective c -does not- mean that you know c. 
As I already said, objective c handles resource allocation and deletion 
for you via ARC. c also works differently in a lot of cases where 
objective c does not. Sure you don't have classes, but there are other 
differences as wel, including the preprocessor.


On 7/5/2014 9:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I should have been clearer when I said that by learning Objective C one would 
inherently know how to program in C, because I really meant to emphasise that 
it's C you should learn, but as it happens it's actually the case, because 
Objective-C is a proper superset of C, unlike C++.  So while you might learn 
Objective-C simply to operate within Apple's infrastructure, still you are 
learning the C language, which is just Objective-C without the object-oriented 
bits.  Unfortunately, too many people come to C with the expectation that it's 
as high-level as it looks, which is of course not the case, though it's an easy 
mistake to make.

The ebook is Apple's official description of the language, a bit like "The C 
Programming Language" (also on iBooks) is the canonical tome for C programmers.  
Highly recommended.

Cheers,
Sabahattin




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Re: iCloud and online storage

2014-07-05 Thread Robert C

Sabahattin,
   I hear you about Snowden buti how does anyone know just how secure 
anything is anymore? I like the idea of being able to sync date with 
iCloud but not so sure about keeping data online.


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On 7/3/2014 2:24 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Following the Snowden revelations, I'm working on bringing myself down from the 
cloud a bit. Right now the only public cloud data I have is for website 
hosting, and for my email account with iCloud. I'm thinking of bringing my mail 
server in-house again soon.

I used to use Dropbox; I don't anymore. I appreciate the convenience, but the 
data is unencrypted. I now use a combination of Arq to back up to Amazon 
Glacier, and BitTorrent Sync for syncing between devices. Sharing is much 
harder. Yes, it's less convenient, but it's more secure and I do care about 
security. The trick is to encrypt your stuff before you deposit it on the cloud 
whenever and wherever possible, thus making use of it as a backing store, but 
one which can get lost or corrupt without incident. Make sure you have local 
backups too, of course--you wouldn't want the disappearance of your cloud 
provider to represent complete data loss.

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Re: iCloud and online storage

2014-07-05 Thread Robert C

Alex and Tim,
   I am not too concerned about actual security but more about losing 
data. But if one also backs up locally, no worries. But another concern 
might be inability to retrieve or sync data should one lose Internet 
access. But thinking back to a recent loss of my cable connection, I 
found out if I disabled wifi on the iPhone, I was able to access the 
Internet. I mention this because I could not run certain apps until I 
disabled wifi, then was able to use cellular data. I was surprised 
because I did not know I had to do this.


   Anyway, maybe my thinking is that we may be becoming too dependent 
on outside resources. But at the same time, I am starting to see some 
nice benefits of using iCloud.


   About Cloud Drive, can you explain briefly what it is? Thanks again 
you guys.


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On 7/2/2014 10:37 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Personally, I haven't seen much downside to cloud storage services.  As Alex 
mentioned, some folks worry about snooping by governments and such when you 
store things in the cloud, but, all the power to them if they want to read my 
documents, learn about VoiceOver and other accessibility features along with 
any other mundane stuff I store out there.  Computers get stolen, memory sticks 
get lost, all sorts of things that we think are more secure than the cloud 
aren't necessarily so.  I love my Google Drive.  Like DropBox, I can be 
off-line, then as soon as I'm back on-line, everything added to or modified on 
my Google Drive is automatically synced up to the Cloud and I feel confident 
that I can access it wherever and whenever I need to.  Looking forward to when 
iCloud Drive comes into the picture.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 2, 2014, at 9:54 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I can't speak for iCloud Drive, as that feature is not out yet. Using Dropbox as an example, though, I think most people see it as a positive. Yes, it stores your data in the cloud. That is not to say that it is only accessible when you are online, though; Dropbox copies everything to your local hard drive (or gives you the option to do so on iOS) so even if you have no internet access you can still get to your files and folders. The down side is definitely security; the government can see your files, depending on the service you use, or someone who manages to hack into your account can do serious damage. That is why I'm excited for iCloud Drive; enable two-factor authentication, and it is suddenly almost impossible for anyone to access your files. These are just my thoughts, and I'm not a security expert or anything. Personally, though, I'm fine with putting my essential files (writing projects, programming projects, resumes, and other essentials) in Dropbox, thus ensuring they 

are always backed up no matter what happens to my local machines. Of course, 
services like Crashplan or Carbonite can do similar things, but I prefer to 
just store the essentials in the cloud; it costs less and it easier to manage 
when a restore is necessary.

On Jul 2, 2014, at 11:14 PM, Robert C  wrote:


   A message that was just posted prompts this question. It was not quite in 
line with that post so started a new one.

   With so much attention to using online storage, such as Dropbox, iCloud and 
so on, there is no doubt there are advantages to doing this especially if one's 
offline storage is limited. But the downside?

   What are the inherent risks in particular if one is not using offline 
storage, say for backups? Seems risky to rely on outside resources.

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Re: Tandom equivalent for the Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Maurice Mines
and what does the task actually called for. Just my two cents worth hope this 
helps What you're talking about is not all that scary. You can certainly 
Princeton set up an account for somebody to do a specific thing and then of 
course delete that account profile demented they're done doing whatever they 
need to be doing. Or as one gentleman here suggested use insecure shell that's 
the way I transferred files between machines whenever I needed to him both 
machines were a Mac. And of course always Baron Baron mind that this only works 
if you're in the same direction if you're on the same network. If you're 
actually talking about two remotes machines on different networks and in 
different setups then yes you are right you want to be very careful however it 
can be done securely and it can be done safely I think it all comes down to 
mindset.

Sincerely, Maurice Mines.
Student accessibility aid.
Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791.
Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu.
Amateur radio call sign, kd0iko. 
Note I'm using dictation for the contents of this document, or email. 
Please excuse any errors as they may be the result of the software, or the 
dictation process. 

> On Jul 5, 2014, at 1:55 PM, "Jonathan C. Cohn"  wrote:
> 
> Tandom is an implementation of the VNC protocol. I expect as long as sound is 
> transferred too, that you might be able to use VNC clients  and servers on 
> the Macintosh to accomplish this. Also, Apple provides  "Back to my Mac" 
> services that allow at least sighted individuals to control a computer 
> remotely.  
> There is also screen sharing, but the screen sharing (which does use a 
> variant of VNC) is not designed to work beyond the local network as 
> seamlessly as Back to my MAC does.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
>> 
>> i hope not , having someone being able too log on too my mac like that
>> could be potentially scary ;d
>> you could use ssh, though if you are talking about remote admin, but
>> that could be interesting too if the person dont know what he, she  is
>> doing.
>> 
>>> On 7/4/14, Ryan Mann  wrote:
>>> For those that don't know, Tandom is a feature in the JAWS screen reader
>>> that allows a JAWS user to connect to another JAWS user's computer, hear
>>> what is going on and even control that person's computer.  Neither person
>>> needs to know the IP address.  Is there a way to do this with VoiceOver?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
I should have been clearer when I said that by learning Objective C one would 
inherently know how to program in C, because I really meant to emphasise that 
it's C you should learn, but as it happens it's actually the case, because 
Objective-C is a proper superset of C, unlike C++.  So while you might learn 
Objective-C simply to operate within Apple's infrastructure, still you are 
learning the C language, which is just Objective-C without the object-oriented 
bits.  Unfortunately, too many people come to C with the expectation that it's 
as high-level as it looks, which is of course not the case, though it's an easy 
mistake to make.

The ebook is Apple's official description of the language, a bit like "The C 
Programming Language" (also on iBooks) is the canonical tome for C programmers. 
 Highly recommended.

Cheers,
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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Devin Prater
Is this book on swift for beginning programmers though?
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On Jul 5, 2014, at 7:24 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

> I feel a little bit guilty for saying this, as I just *know* there's a clear 
> conflict of interest going on here, but ...
> 
> It's obvious that Swift is the language Apple want you to use, and I don't 
> want to discourage you from that, because it's clearly designed for 
> efficiency and enjoyment.  But Objective-C (which I don't know very well, 
> BTW) is built on top of C (which I know very well), and in addition to 
> covering you for all layers of the operating system is a portable language 
> that may come in useful to you on other platforms.  Knowing C, in my opinion, 
> sets you up for programming in other languages, and really helps you to 
> appreciate what they can do for you.
> 
> This having been said, there's an e-book on the iBooks store from Apple about 
> Swift, which you should seek out.  For purposes of OS X and iOS development 
> using modern frameworks, it's what you (and I) should use, and I will make 
> Swift my focus for such things if I ever need them in future.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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Re: accessible flight simulator or racing game etc for OSX or iOS?

2014-07-05 Thread Justin Mann
Hi there,
Where do you get the app?
On Jul 5, 2014, at 6:41 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:

> hi, no you don't exactly use it with voiceover, you use speak, the
> reason is that speak is faster if you fly a f16 at  800 knots you will
> want a  speech that is ... fast. really fast.
> It is not where you guys are yet trust me.
> Let me try too explain how it works even it is totally late so please
> bare with me.
> We will take a good old german airplane as the example, the reason for
> this is that it is the easiest too fly and that is what y'all will
> wanna start with . It is a plane called a Storch, it flies with around
> 80 knots that is about 160 kmh, give and take.
> So here goes, all of the different instruments in the airplane are
> variables all of these at least them you need are numbers... like  if
> you fly at curse 1 that is north, 90 is east and so on, it is the same
> for the altimeter, rpm, oil temp, engine temp,, airspeed, etc, it is
> the same for the ILS if the plane or airport have it , but more about
> that later.
> For Alex, it is not everything that works, mostly because i have not
> had the time too fully mess with it .
> But what you need too get the plane going works.
> So just a few words about how it speaks, the numbers are send through
> a Perl script  too speak, it speaks it when you press a key, and i am
> going too write more about that later on. If anyone is interested they
> can join #flightgear on irc.freenode.net, i will be there for at least
> 2 hours. As i said if anyone is interested i will happily make a short
> manual however it is not what i am best at but i will sure try :)
> Lets keep it on the list k? at least till  Cara tells  us differently.
> I don't wanna write more than i absolutely have too.
> 
> On 7/5/14, Gabriele Battaglia  wrote:
>> 
>> Il giorno 06/lug/2014, alle ore 00:02, Sandi Jazmin Kruse
>>  ha scritto:
>> 
>>> hi, there is flight gear, it works 100% for mac
>> 
>> Hi Sandi.
>> You said 100% for mac, but what is matter here is if it works 100% or
>> somehow less, for VoiceOver. Is it so?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Gabriel.
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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Littlefield, Tyler

I have one point to make here:
Learning objective c doesn't mean that one inherently knows C. C does 
not have ARC for example. Just as learning c++ does not really mean one 
knows C.


Swift may be the language they want you to use eventually because it has 
a higher-level feel to it, but I don't foresee them phasing out 
objective c at any point. it wouldn't really make much sense.

On 7/5/2014 8:24 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I feel a little bit guilty for saying this, as I just *know* there's a clear 
conflict of interest going on here, but ...

It's obvious that Swift is the language Apple want you to use, and I don't want 
to discourage you from that, because it's clearly designed for efficiency and 
enjoyment.  But Objective-C (which I don't know very well, BTW) is built on top 
of C (which I know very well), and in addition to covering you for all layers 
of the operating system is a portable language that may come in useful to you 
on other platforms.  Knowing C, in my opinion, sets you up for programming in 
other languages, and really helps you to appreciate what they can do for you.

This having been said, there's an e-book on the iBooks store from Apple about 
Swift, which you should seek out.  For purposes of OS X and iOS development 
using modern frameworks, it's what you (and I) should use, and I will make 
Swift my focus for such things if I ever need them in future.

Cheers,
Sabahattin




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Re: Managing Gmail

2014-07-05 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Gmail IMAP is broken to the point that any rational human being would struggle 
to understand how its designers created it the way they did.  Indeed, as you 
discovered, deletion operations take an extraordinarily long time, during which 
the messages are still available.  Don't worry; eventually they will disappear.

If you want to make Gmail faster and less privacy-invasive, you may arrange for 
it to delete mail immediately when you remove it from the Trash, instead of 
archiving it under All Mail.  You may also switch off All Mail, in order to 
make the client download only one copy of every message.

Or you could just switch to iCloud.  That's what you're paying for, after all. 
:)

Cheers,
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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
I feel a little bit guilty for saying this, as I just *know* there's a clear 
conflict of interest going on here, but ...

It's obvious that Swift is the language Apple want you to use, and I don't want 
to discourage you from that, because it's clearly designed for efficiency and 
enjoyment.  But Objective-C (which I don't know very well, BTW) is built on top 
of C (which I know very well), and in addition to covering you for all layers 
of the operating system is a portable language that may come in useful to you 
on other platforms.  Knowing C, in my opinion, sets you up for programming in 
other languages, and really helps you to appreciate what they can do for you.

This having been said, there's an e-book on the iBooks store from Apple about 
Swift, which you should seek out.  For purposes of OS X and iOS development 
using modern frameworks, it's what you (and I) should use, and I will make 
Swift my focus for such things if I ever need them in future.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: accessible flight simulator or racing game etc for OSX or iOS?

2014-07-05 Thread Sandi Jazmin Kruse
hi, no you don't exactly use it with voiceover, you use speak, the
reason is that speak is faster if you fly a f16 at  800 knots you will
want a  speech that is … fast. really fast.
It is not where you guys are yet trust me.
Let me try too explain how it works even it is totally late so please
bare with me.
We will take a good old german airplane as the example, the reason for
this is that it is the easiest too fly and that is what y'all will
wanna start with . It is a plane called a Storch, it flies with around
80 knots that is about 160 kmh, give and take.
So here goes, all of the different instruments in the airplane are
variables all of these at least them you need are numbers… like  if
you fly at curse 1 that is north, 90 is east and so on, it is the same
for the altimeter, rpm, oil temp, engine temp,, airspeed, etc, it is
the same for the ILS if the plane or airport have it , but more about
that later.
For Alex, it is not everything that works, mostly because i have not
had the time too fully mess with it .
But what you need too get the plane going works.
So just a few words about how it speaks, the numbers are send through
a Perl script  too speak, it speaks it when you press a key, and i am
going too write more about that later on. If anyone is interested they
can join #flightgear on irc.freenode.net, i will be there for at least
2 hours. As i said if anyone is interested i will happily make a short
manual however it is not what i am best at but i will sure try :)
Lets keep it on the list k? at least till  Cara tells  us differently.
I don't wanna write more than i absolutely have too.

On 7/5/14, Gabriele Battaglia  wrote:
>
> Il giorno 06/lug/2014, alle ore 00:02, Sandi Jazmin Kruse
>  ha scritto:
>
>> hi, there is flight gear, it works 100% for mac
>
> Hi Sandi.
> You said 100% for mac, but what is matter here is if it works 100% or
> somehow less, for VoiceOver. Is it so?
>
> Thanks.
> Gabriel.
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> Sent from my iMac27. (Gmail)
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Re: Service to stream only songs I want?

2014-07-05 Thread Traci Duncan
Does lastFM do what you want?


On Jul 5, 2014, at 7:00 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> What's that?  I've never heard of it, sounds interesting though.
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 5:43 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
>> Have any of you tried the Beats streaming music service? Don't have it in 
>> Norway. Not accessible? Curious since Apple bought the company. Looking 
>> forward to test the product some time.
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 5. juli 2014 kl. 01:45 skrev Alex Hall :
>> 
>> I just made a free account to try it out. Their official Mac app is pretty 
>> inaccessible, and their web player requires Flash to use at all. Hmm, I'll 
>> stick to searching Youtube for now until and if I can find a better Mac app 
>> for this service. It looks good, but I hate Flash and VO doesn't work well 
>> with their native Mac app, unfortunately.
>> On Jul 4, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have never used Spotify on the Mac. But it does what you want if you have 
>>> the paid service. You can stream any song you want or any list of songs you 
>>> want in the order you want. But again, I can't say whether it works well on 
>>> a Mac or not.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 There are many streaming services out there - iHeart Radio, iTunes Radio, 
 Pandora, Spotify, Beats, and others. What I'm looking for is one that will 
 let me play a specific song I want, not just recommendations or similar 
 songs. I'm asking here because I am not sure which of the services that 
 offer this are accessible on the Mac. I believe Spotify is closest to what 
 I want, but is it VO friendly? Is there another service that will work 
 better? Any suggestions would be great. Please note that I'm looking for 
 one that works on the Mac; iOS is secondary to me for this. Thanks.
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Re: Tandom equivalent for the Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Apple has Apple Remote Desktop, for which the client and server parts are 
already in the operating system, but for which the user interface is exposed 
fully by the paid ARD application.

BTMM (Back To My Mac) is a specific method for accessing services on a remote 
Mac with the help of Apple's infrastructure.  It supports Screen Sharing as 
well as any other service, like file sharing, that is advertised using Bonjour. 
 For what it is, it's pretty cool, but it does require that your home router 
support UPnP or NAT-PMP to work, which increasingly won't be the case now that 
public IP addresses are in short supply.

I asked Apple Accessibility to take some feedback I had about ARD.  My advice 
is don't bother, because you can't use the keyboard to grab or ungrab the 
controlling device; otherwise, it'd work as well as any other method requiring 
the audio be piped back to you, i.e. using Skype.  Incidentally, it's also a 
real bummer for those running OS X Server, because operating a Mac completely 
headlessly when you're without sight turns out to be more-or-less impossible 
now that the Server app is on the Mac App Store.

Cheers,
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Re: accessible flight simulator or racing game etc for OSX or iOS?

2014-07-05 Thread Gabriele Battaglia

Il giorno 06/lug/2014, alle ore 00:02, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  
ha scritto:

> hi, there is flight gear, it works 100% for mac

Hi Sandi.
You said 100% for mac, but what is matter here is if it works 100% or somehow 
less, for VoiceOver. Is it so?

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Re: messages being delayed?

2014-07-05 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Hi Alex,

Yeah, I get the same thing.  My first thought was just that this was part of 
the vetting process for new subscribers, because I've only recently rejoined 
here.  I don't do this on my Google groups, and as far as I can see all other 
GG traffic goes to where it needs to be.  But you might like to ask Cara to 
clarify, since I may be wrong about that.

BTW, as a general rule, it's easiest to transfer your "Reputation" by asking 
Google to change your email address at your Google account, rather than 
unsubscribing and then resubscribing by email.  Yes, this way you must meet the 
Google interface, which is of course horrible, but it works well enough to do 
this on the Mac, and saves you all the trouble of resubscribing.

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Making movies without iMovie?

2014-07-05 Thread Phil Halton
Does anyone have experience with a movie making app other than iMovie? I still 
have and use the older V9 of iMovie, but the new V10 just sucks (oops! can I 
say that about Apple;-). I'm wondering if there's a friendlier, more accessible 
app out there that will let me do some rudimentary movie production including 
clip editing?
Thanks for any suggestions.

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Re: Frustrations with updating Adobe Flash player

2014-07-05 Thread Christine Grassman
I got it to the point where it asked if I wanted to open, and I did, but I keep 
receiving a message that it can't be opened. I went into my applications and 
downloads folders and deleted the .dmg  files, thinking I would redownload, but 
my finder and desktop are still saying "install adobe flash player, selected 
application." This is driving me nuts. 
Christine

On Jul 5, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> HI,
> 
> Flash installers react better when you just use the tab and space keys, no VO 
> keys.  So, use the tab key to move between elements and use the spacebar to 
> activate the button.  VO should announce which element has focus as it lands 
> on it.  This dialog is safe, as you've likely set Flash in your System 
> Preferences to automatically notify you and attempt the installation of 
> updates.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 4:46 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
>> I am receiving an update notification regarding adobe Flash player, but 
>> nothing I do is starting the update. I have tried interacting and hitting vo 
>> shift space or enter on download; I have tried interacting with where it 
>> says image browser, but I am consistently  getting an error noise.
>> I tried simply going to the applications folder and clicking there, and 
>> while it seems to open, I am not receiving any indication that it is 
>> installing, progressing, or finished. When I interact with HTML, it says 
>> empty HTML.
>> Any help is appreciated. 
>> Christine
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Re: accessible flight simulator or racing game etc for OSX or iOS?

2014-07-05 Thread Alex Hall
Wait though, is this for VoiceOver? Or does it use some other means of 
representing the world that is somehow accessible? I just can't imagine such a 
complex, realistic app being made for VO users, but of course I'd be happy to 
find out it is. :)
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> hi, there is flight gear, it works 100% for mac but the learning curve
> is massive, cause of its realism.
> If you are serious about trying it out i will happily send some files
> and a manual in how too install it , but as i said , it is not like
> all these blind games for windows, it is a true simulator, it means
> that up on other things that you have prop wash and ground effect and
> stuff like that , so using a bit of time on www.faa.gov, may not be a
> bad idea.
> But as i said if anyone is interested i will happily make a short read
> me and we can take it from there ,.
> 
> 
> Sandi
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/5/14, Cameron Strife  wrote:
>> Hi. Can anybody out there recommend vo friendly or otherwise
>> accessible flight simulators or racing games etc for OSX or iOS?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Cameron.
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Re: accessible flight simulator or racing game etc for OSX or iOS?

2014-07-05 Thread Sandi Jazmin Kruse
hi, there is flight gear, it works 100% for mac but the learning curve
is massive, cause of its realism.
If you are serious about trying it out i will happily send some files
and a manual in how too install it , but as i said , it is not like
all these blind games for windows, it is a true simulator, it means
that up on other things that you have prop wash and ground effect and
stuff like that , so using a bit of time on www.faa.gov, may not be a
bad idea.
But as i said if anyone is interested i will happily make a short read
me and we can take it from there ,.


Sandi



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> Thanks,
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> Cameron.
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Re: Highlighting a column in Numbers

2014-07-05 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Press VO-shift-back slash, then arrow down once.  VO will announce "Column", 
press return.  When in the Column Headers, VO-space on the column you wish 
selected in its entirety.  Back out of the headers with VO-shift-back-slash and 
Stop Interacting with the Table.  If you bring focus back to the Table without 
Interacting with it, VO should read so many rows, so many columns and announce 
that that many rows are selected.  If you wish to format these selected cells, 
go into the Formatter area and do so.  If you Interact With the Table, the 
selected cells should remain selected as long as you don't move to a different 
cell.  If you wish to move around within the table, turn Cursor Tracking off 
with VO-shift-f3.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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> It doesn't work that way as far as I can tell. VoiceOver doesn't anounce 
> anything about highlighting or so, unfortunately. Any other ideas?
> Thanks
> Jürgen
> 
> Am 05.07.2014 um 15:30 schrieb Phil Halton :
> 
>> Clicking the column header you know, a, B, etc. That will select of the 
>> column. Another way to do it is simply to hold the shift key and press 
>> command down arrow while you're at the top of the column. That should select 
>> the entire column.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2014, at 4:47 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> 
>>> I remember a way to highlight a column at once by moving the cursor to the 
>>> column head by pressing VO + Shift + Apostrophy (on german keyboards) and 
>>> choosing columns from the upcomming menue. So far so good. But I can't 
>>> remember what to press next to highlight the complete column at once. VO + 
>>> Spacebar didn't work as well as bringing up the context menue. 
>>> 
>>> So could someone help me please to highlight the whole column?
>>> 
>>> Thanks and all the best
>>> Jürgen
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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
There's not, if you have Cara's address you might want to shoot her an 
email off list or nudge her here, as she's the admin.


On 7/5/2014 5:23 PM, Tristan wrote:

Hi,
I subscribed to MV-Dev about a month ago, and my request was either
not seen or not approved. Just tried again; is there some sort of
criteria that I must meet?

On 7/5/14, Alex Hall  wrote:

Again, no one can even use Swift right now; you'll need Xcode 6, or at least
a beta of it. Plus, even as Swift takes over, plenty of the tutorials you
find will continue to be in Objective-C. Finally, most Cocoa and Cocoa Touch
headers will be in Objective-C for quite a while, I imagine, so if you ever
look at those to figure out how to do something or what a certain function
expects, you'll at least need to know how to read the language in a basic
way. As I said, I agree that Swift is worth learning and should be a
priority, but it's hard to learn a language your computer can't yet
recognize. This fall, once Yosemite comes out, that will be different, but
for now Objective-C is, to my knowledge, the only language non-beta Macs can
run. I'm not even mentioning C or C++.
On Jul 5, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:


Why just objective c? Why not start out with Swift?
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com



On Jul 5, 2014, at 7:35 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:


Free is indeed best. :) I recommend simply googling "learn objective-c"
to start with, and reading the tutorials you find. Some will make more
sense than others, but which ones depend on your background, learning
style, and so forth. For using Xcode, www.applevis.com has a few guides
and forums you will probably find useful. I also put a podcast up there
that goes through a "hello world" app which should help to explain things
after you get through the basic layout stuff. Finally, I highly recommend
you join the sister list to this one, dedicated to blind programmers on
the Mac:
mv-dev+subscr...@googlegroups.com
On Jul 5, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Dawn Benbow  wrote:


Hi everyone,

I've been a lurker on this list for a while now. I've become interested
in learning how to program, specifically to build apps for iOS, to start
with at least. But, I'm wondering where is a good place to start
learning, and where are there good educational resources for learning
that don't cost a lot of money. Free is best if possible! :)

Thanks,

Dawn

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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Tristan
Hi,
I subscribed to MV-Dev about a month ago, and my request was either
not seen or not approved. Just tried again; is there some sort of
criteria that I must meet?

On 7/5/14, Alex Hall  wrote:
> Again, no one can even use Swift right now; you'll need Xcode 6, or at least
> a beta of it. Plus, even as Swift takes over, plenty of the tutorials you
> find will continue to be in Objective-C. Finally, most Cocoa and Cocoa Touch
> headers will be in Objective-C for quite a while, I imagine, so if you ever
> look at those to figure out how to do something or what a certain function
> expects, you'll at least need to know how to read the language in a basic
> way. As I said, I agree that Swift is worth learning and should be a
> priority, but it's hard to learn a language your computer can't yet
> recognize. This fall, once Yosemite comes out, that will be different, but
> for now Objective-C is, to my knowledge, the only language non-beta Macs can
> run. I'm not even mentioning C or C++.
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
>> Why just objective c? Why not start out with Swift?
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 7:35 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>
>>> Free is indeed best. :) I recommend simply googling "learn objective-c"
>>> to start with, and reading the tutorials you find. Some will make more
>>> sense than others, but which ones depend on your background, learning
>>> style, and so forth. For using Xcode, www.applevis.com has a few guides
>>> and forums you will probably find useful. I also put a podcast up there
>>> that goes through a "hello world" app which should help to explain things
>>> after you get through the basic layout stuff. Finally, I highly recommend
>>> you join the sister list to this one, dedicated to blind programmers on
>>> the Mac:
>>> mv-dev+subscr...@googlegroups.com
>>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Dawn Benbow  wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone,

I've been a lurker on this list for a while now. I've become interested
 in learning how to program, specifically to build apps for iOS, to start
 with at least. But, I'm wondering where is a good place to start
 learning, and where are there good educational resources for learning
 that don't cost a lot of money. Free is best if possible! :)

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Re: NFB store

2014-07-05 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
The site is usable, but instead of using CSS for layout they use tables. 
Depending on some settings in VoiceOver you might need to do a bit more 
interacting then you would with JAWS. VoiceOver tends to not hide as many 
layout tables as the windows screen readers do.  You can still get a list of 
links but I needed to hit three links to find a table with information about 
three men's braille watches. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> Would it be accessible to us then? I do not understand what headers are. But 
> I would like to learn if somebody knows how to explain. Is it the same as a 
> webpage heading?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 4:46 PM, "Jonathan C. Cohn"  wrote:
>> 
>> I had no real errors when looking at the site. I wonder if somebody is 
>> placing a proxy in your connection. I did find the site to use very old web 
>> technology and it has absolutely no headers.
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 12:28 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://ecommerce.nfb.org/.../prodtype.asp?...
 On 04 Jul 2014, at 08:41 pm, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Whats the adress.
 /A
> On 04 Jul 2014, at 14:33, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
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> can somebody tell me about certificates on the mac? why can't I open the 
> national federation of the blind store? it keeps popping about the 
> certificates.
> thanks!
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Re: Tandom equivalent for the Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
Tandom is an implementation of the VNC protocol. I expect as long as sound is 
transferred too, that you might be able to use VNC clients  and servers on the 
Macintosh to accomplish this. Also, Apple provides  "Back to my Mac" services 
that allow at least sighted individuals to control a computer remotely.  
There is also screen sharing, but the screen sharing (which does use a variant 
of VNC) is not designed to work beyond the local network as seamlessly as Back 
to my MAC does.

Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> i hope not , having someone being able too log on too my mac like that
> could be potentially scary ;d
> you could use ssh, though if you are talking about remote admin, but
> that could be interesting too if the person dont know what he, she  is
> doing.
> 
> On 7/4/14, Ryan Mann  wrote:
>> For those that don't know, Tandom is a feature in the JAWS screen reader
>> that allows a JAWS user to connect to another JAWS user's computer, hear
>> what is going on and even control that person's computer.  Neither person
>> needs to know the IP address.  Is there a way to do this with VoiceOver?
>> 
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Re: NFB store

2014-07-05 Thread Jessica D
Would it be accessible to us then? I do not understand what headers are. But I 
would like to learn if somebody knows how to explain. Is it the same as a 
webpage heading?

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 5, 2014, at 4:46 PM, "Jonathan C. Cohn"  wrote:
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> I had no real errors when looking at the site. I wonder if somebody is 
> placing a proxy in your connection. I did find the site to use very old web 
> technology and it has absolutely no headers.
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 12:28 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> https://ecommerce.nfb.org/.../prodtype.asp?...
>>> On 04 Jul 2014, at 08:41 pm, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Whats the adress.
>>> /A
 On 04 Jul 2014, at 14:33, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
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 national federation of the blind store? it keeps popping about the 
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Re: NFB store

2014-07-05 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
I had no real errors when looking at the site. I wonder if somebody is placing 
a proxy in your connection. I did find the site to use very old web technology 
and it has absolutely no headers.
Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> https://ecommerce.nfb.org/.../prodtype.asp?...
> On 04 Jul 2014, at 08:41 pm, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> Whats the adress.
>> /A
>> On 04 Jul 2014, at 14:33, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
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>>> can somebody tell me about certificates on the mac? why can't I open the 
>>> national federation of the blind store? it keeps popping about the 
>>> certificates.
>>> thanks!
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accessible flight simulator or racing game etc for OSX or iOS?

2014-07-05 Thread Cameron Strife
Hi. Can anybody out there recommend vo friendly or otherwise
accessible flight simulators or racing games etc for OSX or iOS?

Thanks,

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Re: Managing Gmail

2014-07-05 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
I would recommend against disabling this mail box at this time. Apple only 
retrieves messages from the All mail box when using GMAIL and then associates 
them with a more specific label/folder.  There is an option in the GMAIL 
settings to limit the number of messages to allow in any folder and that might 
improve GMAIL performance. I created a smart folder called "Old list items" 
that finds all messages in my list folder that are unread and older then 15 
days. I then select all / delete. This is a little less intuitive on the Mac 
then on IOS devices where there is either an ARCHIVE or TRASH button and if you 
hold down on the button  (double tab with hold for VO users) then you can trash 
 in a mailbox that defaults to ARCHIVE.

 
Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> That is normal. Let it be. Some day you can't find an important email. Where 
> to look? The Mailbox called <>. Others may tell you how to disable 
> this mailbox.
> 
> Take care
> 
> 5. juli 2014 kl. 04:23 skrev Desi Noller :
> 
> Hi Everyone and Happy Fourth!
> 
> I have a gmail account for all of my list mail.  The mail from that account 
> comes directly to my inbox in Apple Mail on my iMac.  Recently I was doing 
> something in my mailboxes table, and I discovered that several entries down 
> on the list, I had a mailbox called All Mail Gmail.  When I opened it, to my 
> horror, I discovered some 8,000 messages there!  I did a mass delete!  Since 
> then, I have been keeping tabs on this mailbox and deleting everything I find 
> there at the end of each day.  Then, both yesterday and today I checked it 
> again, and when to my knowledge it should have been empty, again I found 
> several thousand messages!  What else can I do to keep these messages from 
> piling up!  I really don't want to check my mail on the Google site because 
> maybe it's just me, but I find it very difficult to navigate!  Any help with 
> this would be most appreciated!  Thanks in advance!
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Re: Games

2014-07-05 Thread Cameron Strife
Hi. I'd be interested in this if anybody can track it down...

Cameron.




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> I just went to the audio-quake site, and the mac universal app isn't even
> available now.
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com
>
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
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>> Oh wow, I didn't know it could even work on the mac.
>> Devin Prater
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Mark Baxter  wrote:
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>>> My favorite action game for the Mac is Audio Quake.  I do not know if it
>>> is still in development, but the final version was pretty awesome.  It
>>> may take some work to set it up, and I don't have the active links to
>>> send you to, but Cara Quinn, one of our list moderators, can give you
>>> more information about it I'm sure.  It's the original first-person
>>> shooter game with lots of 3D sound clues worked into let you navigate and
>>> aim and such.
>>>
>>>
>>> * Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>> * AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>> * MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>> * My home page:
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Re: calendar questions

2014-07-05 Thread Littlefield, Tyler

hello:
I seem to have gotten it set up. there is a default calendar which made 
my life easier (thanks for that tip). The only hurtle now is that for 
whatever reason when I choose a date, it still tries to add for today. 
so I have my day view set to jul 18 and the default day on the calendar 
is jul 5.


thanks for the workflow tips--It would end up changing, the only thing I 
can really set for sure is the calendar and time zone, but that was 
already set. I do appreciate the idea, though.


Thanks again,
On 7/5/2014 4:19 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

In the general settings there is a default calendar pull down.
You can set the date by something like
Status Meeting on July 19 @ 1300

I have not tried putting timezones at the end but that might work.
Best wishes,

Jonathan



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Hello all:
I had a couple questions:
I'm adding a ton of events to one calendar and trying to make this quick.
1) Can I set the default calendar to add events to for a while?
2) Even though I choose the day, for whatever reason every time I add a new 
event I have to choose the exact day again. can I just move day by day and add 
events?
3) I turned timezone on, can I set a default timezone so I don't have to choose 
that every time?

This is incredibly slow work, so any advice would be awesome.
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Re: AppleScript (was calendar questions)

2014-07-05 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
There are certainly graphic conversion commands in Apple Script. You can also 
use the "save as" directive and I believe in most applications there is a type 
argument that can be specified. I can look a bit further if you let me know 
source and destination and if I have a program that can  handle the source type.


Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> Could I make one to dconvert files to certain formats if necessary?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Jul 5, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> It's pretty easy, yes. I learned everything from simply googling, starting 
>> with "basics of AppleScript" and moving on from there. It helps to have a 
>> goal in mind, such as making some reminders, or pulling data from certain 
>> emails, or mass-renaming things in Finder, that kind of thing. In other 
>> words, it's better, I think, to identify a goal and then learn the scripting 
>> to accomplish it, instead of learning random parts of scripting with no 
>> clear direction. Several people on this list are handy with AppleScript, so 
>> if you get stuck, you can ask on here (assuming the moderators approve).
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
>> 
>>> How do you make apple scripts? Is it easy?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 My first thought is a Workflow; add the New Calendar item to it, configure 
 it, then just envelope the workflow to add your event. Alternatively, as I 
 know you do some programming, you might want to investigate making an 
 AppleScript for the job, to do everything at once.
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> Hello all:
> I had a couple questions:
> I'm adding a ton of events to one calendar and trying to make this quick.
> 1) Can I set the default calendar to add events to for a while?
> 2) Even though I choose the day, for whatever reason every time I add a 
> new event I have to choose the exact day again. can I just move day by 
> day and add events?
> 3) I turned timezone on, can I set a default timezone so I don't have to 
> choose that every time?
> 
> This is incredibly slow work, so any advice would be awesome.
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: calendar questions

2014-07-05 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
In the general settings there is a default calendar pull down. 
You can set the date by something like 
Status Meeting on July 19 @ 1300 

I have not tried putting timezones at the end but that might work.
Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> Hello all:
> I had a couple questions:
> I'm adding a ton of events to one calendar and trying to make this quick.
> 1) Can I set the default calendar to add events to for a while?
> 2) Even though I choose the day, for whatever reason every time I add a new 
> event I have to choose the exact day again. can I just move day by day and 
> add events?
> 3) I turned timezone on, can I set a default timezone so I don't have to 
> choose that every time?
> 
> This is incredibly slow work, so any advice would be awesome.
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
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Re: AppleScript (was calendar questions)

2014-07-05 Thread Alex Hall
Yes, though a workflow might be better for that. Check out the Automator app 
built into every Mac to create workflows. If you get stuck using it, let us 
know; it is easy to use, but only once you know some tricks that are not 
apparent going in.
On Jul 5, 2014, at 4:04 PM, Jessica D  wrote:

> Could I make one to dconvert files to certain formats if necessary?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> It's pretty easy, yes. I learned everything from simply googling, starting 
>> with "basics of AppleScript" and moving on from there. It helps to have a 
>> goal in mind, such as making some reminders, or pulling data from certain 
>> emails, or mass-renaming things in Finder, that kind of thing. In other 
>> words, it's better, I think, to identify a goal and then learn the scripting 
>> to accomplish it, instead of learning random parts of scripting with no 
>> clear direction. Several people on this list are handy with AppleScript, so 
>> if you get stuck, you can ask on here (assuming the moderators approve).
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
>> 
>>> How do you make apple scripts? Is it easy?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 My first thought is a Workflow; add the New Calendar item to it, configure 
 it, then just envelope the workflow to add your event. Alternatively, as I 
 know you do some programming, you might want to investigate making an 
 AppleScript for the job, to do everything at once.
 On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:
 
> Hello all:
> I had a couple questions:
> I'm adding a ton of events to one calendar and trying to make this quick.
> 1) Can I set the default calendar to add events to for a while?
> 2) Even though I choose the day, for whatever reason every time I add a 
> new event I have to choose the exact day again. can I just move day by 
> day and add events?
> 3) I turned timezone on, can I set a default timezone so I don't have to 
> choose that every time?
> 
> This is incredibly slow work, so any advice would be awesome.
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he 
> that dares not reason is a slave.
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messages being delayed?

2014-07-05 Thread Alex Hall
Hi all,
I've noticed that, sometimes, my messages get delayed. Sometimes it's only a 
few minutes, which is fine, but every so often I'll see a reply I sent appear a 
day or three after it should have. For instance, I replied with a message about 
Team Viewer when people were asking about an alternative to Jaws Tandem. I sent 
the reply the day the thread was started, which was three days ago I think, but 
only saw that reply on the list this morning. The really odd thing is that I've 
only noticed this since I switched over to using iCloud email instead of Gmail. 
Is this normal? Am I seeing delays when, in fact, everyone else sees my 
messages arriving normally? I'm more curious than anything, but it can be 
aggravating to try to jump into a discussion but not actually be part of it for 
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Re: AppleScript (was calendar questions)

2014-07-05 Thread Jessica D
Could I make one to dconvert files to certain formats if necessary?

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 5, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> It's pretty easy, yes. I learned everything from simply googling, starting 
> with "basics of AppleScript" and moving on from there. It helps to have a 
> goal in mind, such as making some reminders, or pulling data from certain 
> emails, or mass-renaming things in Finder, that kind of thing. In other 
> words, it's better, I think, to identify a goal and then learn the scripting 
> to accomplish it, instead of learning random parts of scripting with no clear 
> direction. Several people on this list are handy with AppleScript, so if you 
> get stuck, you can ask on here (assuming the moderators approve).
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
>> 
>> How do you make apple scripts? Is it easy?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My first thought is a Workflow; add the New Calendar item to it, configure 
>>> it, then just envelope the workflow to add your event. Alternatively, as I 
>>> know you do some programming, you might want to investigate making an 
>>> AppleScript for the job, to do everything at once.
 On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:
 
 Hello all:
 I had a couple questions:
 I'm adding a ton of events to one calendar and trying to make this quick.
 1) Can I set the default calendar to add events to for a while?
 2) Even though I choose the day, for whatever reason every time I add a 
 new event I have to choose the exact day again. can I just move day by day 
 and add events?
 3) I turned timezone on, can I set a default timezone so I don't have to 
 choose that every time?
 
 This is incredibly slow work, so any advice would be awesome.
 Thanks,
 
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AppleScript (was calendar questions)

2014-07-05 Thread Alex Hall
It's pretty easy, yes. I learned everything from simply googling, starting with 
"basics of AppleScript" and moving on from there. It helps to have a goal in 
mind, such as making some reminders, or pulling data from certain emails, or 
mass-renaming things in Finder, that kind of thing. In other words, it's 
better, I think, to identify a goal and then learn the scripting to accomplish 
it, instead of learning random parts of scripting with no clear direction. 
Several people on this list are handy with AppleScript, so if you get stuck, 
you can ask on here (assuming the moderators approve).
On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Jessica D  wrote:

> How do you make apple scripts? Is it easy?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> My first thought is a Workflow; add the New Calendar item to it, configure 
>> it, then just envelope the workflow to add your event. Alternatively, as I 
>> know you do some programming, you might want to investigate making an 
>> AppleScript for the job, to do everything at once.
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> I had a couple questions:
>>> I'm adding a ton of events to one calendar and trying to make this quick.
>>> 1) Can I set the default calendar to add events to for a while?
>>> 2) Even though I choose the day, for whatever reason every time I add a new 
>>> event I have to choose the exact day again. can I just move day by day and 
>>> add events?
>>> 3) I turned timezone on, can I set a default timezone so I don't have to 
>>> choose that every time?
>>> 
>>> This is incredibly slow work, so any advice would be awesome.
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Take care,
>>> Ty
>>> http://tds-solutions.net
>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he 
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Re: calendar questions

2014-07-05 Thread Jessica D
How do you make apple scripts? Is it easy?

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> My first thought is a Workflow; add the New Calendar item to it, configure 
> it, then just envelope the workflow to add your event. Alternatively, as I 
> know you do some programming, you might want to investigate making an 
> AppleScript for the job, to do everything at once.
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> I had a couple questions:
>> I'm adding a ton of events to one calendar and trying to make this quick.
>> 1) Can I set the default calendar to add events to for a while?
>> 2) Even though I choose the day, for whatever reason every time I add a new 
>> event I have to choose the exact day again. can I just move day by day and 
>> add events?
>> 3) I turned timezone on, can I set a default timezone so I don't have to 
>> choose that every time?
>> 
>> This is incredibly slow work, so any advice would be awesome.
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -- 
>> Take care,
>> Ty
>> http://tds-solutions.net
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Re: calendar questions

2014-07-05 Thread Alex Hall
My first thought is a Workflow; add the New Calendar item to it, configure it, 
then just envelope the workflow to add your event. Alternatively, as I know you 
do some programming, you might want to investigate making an AppleScript for 
the job, to do everything at once.
On Jul 5, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:

> Hello all:
> I had a couple questions:
> I'm adding a ton of events to one calendar and trying to make this quick.
> 1) Can I set the default calendar to add events to for a while?
> 2) Even though I choose the day, for whatever reason every time I add a new 
> event I have to choose the exact day again. can I just move day by day and 
> add events?
> 3) I turned timezone on, can I set a default timezone so I don't have to 
> choose that every time?
> 
> This is incredibly slow work, so any advice would be awesome.
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
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Re: Games

2014-07-05 Thread Devin Prater
I just went to the audio-quake site, and the mac universal app isn't even 
available now.
Devin Prater
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On Jul 5, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Oh wow, I didn't know it could even work on the mac.
> Devin Prater
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> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Mark Baxter  wrote:
> 
>> My favorite action game for the Mac is Audio Quake.  I do not know if it is 
>> still in development, but the final version was pretty awesome.  It may take 
>> some work to set it up, and I don't have the active links to send you to, 
>> but Cara Quinn, one of our list moderators, can give you more information 
>> about it I'm sure.  It's the original first-person shooter game with lots of 
>> 3D sound clues worked into let you navigate and aim and such.
>> 
>> 
>> * Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>> * AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> * MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>> * My home page:
>> * http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: Highlighting a column in Numbers

2014-07-05 Thread Jürgen Fleger
It doesn't work that way as far as I can tell. VoiceOver doesn't anounce 
anything about highlighting or so, unfortunately. Any other ideas?
Thanks
Jürgen

Am 05.07.2014 um 15:30 schrieb Phil Halton :

> Clicking the column header you know, a, B, etc. That will select of the 
> column. Another way to do it is simply to hold the shift key and press 
> command down arrow while you're at the top of the column. That should select 
> the entire column.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2014, at 4:47 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> I remember a way to highlight a column at once by moving the cursor to the 
>> column head by pressing VO + Shift + Apostrophy (on german keyboards) and 
>> choosing columns from the upcomming menue. So far so good. But I can't 
>> remember what to press next to highlight the complete column at once. VO + 
>> Spacebar didn't work as well as bringing up the context menue. 
>> 
>> So could someone help me please to highlight the whole column?
>> 
>> Thanks and all the best
>> Jürgen
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calendar questions

2014-07-05 Thread Littlefield, Tyler

Hello all:
I had a couple questions:
I'm adding a ton of events to one calendar and trying to make this quick.
1) Can I set the default calendar to add events to for a while?
2) Even though I choose the day, for whatever reason every time I add a 
new event I have to choose the exact day again. can I just move day by 
day and add events?
3) I turned timezone on, can I set a default timezone so I don't have to 
choose that every time?


This is incredibly slow work, so any advice would be awesome.
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Re: Games

2014-07-05 Thread Devin Prater
Oh wow, I didn't know it could even work on the mac.
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> My favorite action game for the Mac is Audio Quake.  I do not know if it is 
> still in development, but the final version was pretty awesome.  It may take 
> some work to set it up, and I don't have the active links to send you to, but 
> Cara Quinn, one of our list moderators, can give you more information about 
> it I'm sure.  It's the original first-person shooter game with lots of 3D 
> sound clues worked into let you navigate and aim and such.
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Re: Games

2014-07-05 Thread Mark Baxter
My favorite action game for the Mac is Audio Quake.  I do not know if it is 
still in development, but the final version was pretty awesome.  It may take 
some work to set it up, and I don't have the active links to send you to, but 
Cara Quinn, one of our list moderators, can give you more information about it 
I'm sure.  It's the original first-person shooter game with lots of 3D sound 
clues worked into let you navigate and aim and such.


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Re: iTunes U

2014-07-05 Thread Jessica D
I wish they could integrate the 2 of them.

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> Hi all
> What a fantastic way to do some online studying, I am going to check out 
> iTunes U for my future studies. I am currently taking some at The Hadley 
> School For The Blind but am always looking for ideas. So thank you for the 
> iTunes U idea very much appreciated.
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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Alex Hall
Again, no one can even use Swift right now; you'll need Xcode 6, or at least a 
beta of it. Plus, even as Swift takes over, plenty of the tutorials you find 
will continue to be in Objective-C. Finally, most Cocoa and Cocoa Touch headers 
will be in Objective-C for quite a while, I imagine, so if you ever look at 
those to figure out how to do something or what a certain function expects, 
you'll at least need to know how to read the language in a basic way. As I 
said, I agree that Swift is worth learning and should be a priority, but it's 
hard to learn a language your computer can't yet recognize. This fall, once 
Yosemite comes out, that will be different, but for now Objective-C is, to my 
knowledge, the only language non-beta Macs can run. I'm not even mentioning C 
or C++.
On Jul 5, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Why just objective c? Why not start out with Swift?
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> 
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 7:35 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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>> Free is indeed best. :) I recommend simply googling "learn objective-c" to 
>> start with, and reading the tutorials you find. Some will make more sense 
>> than others, but which ones depend on your background, learning style, and 
>> so forth. For using Xcode, www.applevis.com has a few guides and forums you 
>> will probably find useful. I also put a podcast up there that goes through a 
>> "hello world" app which should help to explain things after you get through 
>> the basic layout stuff. Finally, I highly recommend you join the sister list 
>> to this one, dedicated to blind programmers on the Mac:
>> mv-dev+subscr...@googlegroups.com
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Dawn Benbow  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I've been a lurker on this list for a while now. I've become interested 
>>> in learning how to program, specifically to build apps for iOS, to start 
>>> with at least. But, I'm wondering where is a good place to start learning, 
>>> and where are there good educational resources for learning that don't cost 
>>> a lot of money. Free is best if possible! :) 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
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>>> 
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iTunes U

2014-07-05 Thread Christopher Hallsworth

Hi all
What a fantastic way to do some online studying, I am going to check out 
iTunes U for my future studies. I am currently taking some at The Hadley 
School For The Blind but am always looking for ideas. So thank you for 
the iTunes U idea very much appreciated.

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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Devin Prater
Why just objective c? Why not start out with Swift?
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> Free is indeed best. :) I recommend simply googling "learn objective-c" to 
> start with, and reading the tutorials you find. Some will make more sense 
> than others, but which ones depend on your background, learning style, and so 
> forth. For using Xcode, www.applevis.com has a few guides and forums you will 
> probably find useful. I also put a podcast up there that goes through a 
> "hello world" app which should help to explain things after you get through 
> the basic layout stuff. Finally, I highly recommend you join the sister list 
> to this one, dedicated to blind programmers on the Mac:
> mv-dev+subscr...@googlegroups.com
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Dawn Benbow  wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>>  I've been a lurker on this list for a while now. I've become interested 
>> in learning how to program, specifically to build apps for iOS, to start 
>> with at least. But, I'm wondering where is a good place to start learning, 
>> and where are there good educational resources for learning that don't cost 
>> a lot of money. Free is best if possible! :) 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dawn
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Games

2014-07-05 Thread Devin Prater
There is "zoom" for mac, which allows for the playing of zCode games and other 
types of text-based games. There is also Mudder, a game for playing alter-aeon 
and other such online text-based games.
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> We've all been looking for those for ages, but not sure if there are that 
> many yet.  To my knowledge, unless someone knows something I don't and wants 
> to add to this, I think the only ones that seems to be available, are the 
> ones you mentioned and rsgames.
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>> I'm looking for some fun games on the Mac. I prefer action games. I know 
>> Draconis has two games for the Mac now, but is there anything else?
>> 
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Re: Urgent - activing popup buttons in safari

2014-07-05 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Some pop-ups are coded oddly and don't respond to regular VO actions.  Try just 
your arrow key then return.  

 Later... 


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>> If this hasn't already been suggested, often you can just hit the two letter 
>> abbreviation for the state (FL, for Florida, for example) and then VO Space 
>> to collapse the pop-up menu, and when you cursor back over it, the state 
>> will be selected.  Hope that's not redundant.
>> 
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Re: Games

2014-07-05 Thread Jessica D
No, I am sure a google search will find it.

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> wrote:
> 
> Do you have a link for it?
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jessica D  wrote:
>> 
>> I heard about a new racing game for Mac and PC. It costs and is not 
>> available in the Mac AppStore. You must buy it online.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We've all been looking for those for ages, but not sure if there are that 
>>> many yet.  To my knowledge, unless someone knows something I don't and 
>>> wants to add to this, I think the only ones that seems to be available, are 
>>> the ones you mentioned and rsgames.
 On Jul 4, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Brandon A. Olivares 
  wrote:
 
 I'm looking for some fun games on the Mac. I prefer action games. I know 
 Draconis has two games for the Mac now, but is there anything else?
 
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Re: Games

2014-07-05 Thread Brandon A. Olivares
Do you have a link for it?
On Jul 5, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jessica D  wrote:

> I heard about a new racing game for Mac and PC. It costs and is not available 
> in the Mac AppStore. You must buy it online.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> We've all been looking for those for ages, but not sure if there are that 
>> many yet.  To my knowledge, unless someone knows something I don't and wants 
>> to add to this, I think the only ones that seems to be available, are the 
>> ones you mentioned and rsgames.
>>> On Jul 4, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm looking for some fun games on the Mac. I prefer action games. I know 
>>> Draconis has two games for the Mac now, but is there anything else?
>>> 
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Re: Urgent - activing popup buttons in safari

2014-07-05 Thread Matt Dierckens
Hey mark, I tried that, and no luck.
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Re: Urgent - activing popup buttons in safari

2014-07-05 Thread Mark Baxter
If this hasn't already been suggested, often you can just hit the two letter 
abbreviation for the state (FL, for Florida, for example) and then VO Space to 
collapse the pop-up menu, and when you cursor back over it, the state will be 
selected.  Hope that's not redundant.


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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Alex Hall
While I certainly agree that Swift is the future, just remember that you can't 
do much with it until Yosemite is released with Xcode 6. To my knowledge, and I 
hope I'm wrong, there is no way to do anything with Swift right now unless you 
are also testing the Xcode 6 beta, which itself requires a developer account. 
I'd also suggest learning Objective-c if you can, as there will still be a 
majority of tutorials, samples, and other'documentation writen for that 
language for years to come.


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> Hi Dawn.
> 
> The best language to start learning at this point is swift.  Objective C is 
> probably going to be fazed out within the next few years.  A good place to 
> start is https://developer.apple.com/swift/.
> Also, all of the sessions from WWDC 2014 are available to the public on 
> developer.apple.com.
> Good luck.
> 
> 
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> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
>I've been a lurker on this list for a while now. I've become interested in 
> learning how to program, specifically to build apps for iOS, to start with at 
> least. But, I'm wondering where is a good place to start learning, and where 
> are there good educational resources for learning that don't cost a lot of 
> money. Free is best if possible! :) 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dawn
> 
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Re: Frustrations with updating Adobe Flash player

2014-07-05 Thread Tim Kilburn
HI,

Flash installers react better when you just use the tab and space keys, no VO 
keys.  So, use the tab key to move between elements and use the spacebar to 
activate the button.  VO should announce which element has focus as it lands on 
it.  This dialog is safe, as you've likely set Flash in your System Preferences 
to automatically notify you and attempt the installation of updates.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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> nothing I do is starting the update. I have tried interacting and hitting vo 
> shift space or enter on download; I have tried interacting with where it says 
> image browser, but I am consistently  getting an error noise.
> I tried simply going to the applications folder and clicking there, and while 
> it seems to open, I am not receiving any indication that it is installing, 
> progressing, or finished. When I interact with HTML, it says empty HTML.
> Any help is appreciated. 
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Re: Games

2014-07-05 Thread Jessica D
I heard about a new racing game for Mac and PC. It costs and is not available 
in the Mac AppStore. You must buy it online.

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> We've all been looking for those for ages, but not sure if there are that 
> many yet.  To my knowledge, unless someone knows something I don't and wants 
> to add to this, I think the only ones that seems to be available, are the 
> ones you mentioned and rsgames.
>> On Jul 4, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
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>> I'm looking for some fun games on the Mac. I prefer action games. I know 
>> Draconis has two games for the Mac now, but is there anything else?
>> 
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Re: garage band keyboard shortcuts: expanding loops and note editing

2014-07-05 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
hello i don't know about note editing.
expanding the loop is you have to go to the tacks contents then interact with 
it > interact again with the loop you selected > then interact again with the 
name called loop. then you have to press right arrow that's it.
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> Hello all:
> I've been a bit delayed in playing with this. While the list provided was 
> indeed useful, It's not really telling me how to stretch loops/edit notes. 
> Any help here would be awesome. I'll post my specific questions:
> 1) Is there an accessible way to work with the note editor?
> 2) How would one stretch a track (so I can play a loop and then stretch it 
> out), as well as move tracks around so that they don't always start at the 
> beginning of the song?
> Thanks,
> On 5/28/2014 1:02 PM, isaac wrote:
>> Here  is a list of keyboard shortcuts for garage band. 
>> http://www.apple.com/support/garageband/hottips/shortcuts.html
>> isaac
>> isaac.heb...@gmail.com
>>  Skype gold_wildcat
>> 
>> On May 28, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> I'm looking to do some minor production with GB and was curious if there's 
>>> keyboard commands listed somewhere. Most importantly, I'm interested in 
>>> shifting pieces of tracks around, expanding/shrinking them (so I can just 
>>> play one set once and expand it), and editing notes. I need to do a really 
>>> fast highhat and I need to be able to somehow edit that so I can play what 
>>> I want and speed it up.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> 
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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Barry Hadder
Hi Dawn.

The best language to start learning at this point is swift.  Objective C is 
probably going to be fazed out within the next few years.  A good place to 
start is https://developer.apple.com/swift/.
Also, all of the sessions from WWDC 2014 are available to the public on 
developer.apple.com.
Good luck.


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I've been a lurker on this list for a while now. I've become interested 
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at least. But, I'm wondering where is a good place to start learning, and where 
are there good educational resources for learning that don't cost a lot of 
money. Free is best if possible! :) 

Thanks,

Dawn

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Re: Service to stream only songs I want?

2014-07-05 Thread Jessica Moss
What's that?  I've never heard of it, sounds interesting though.
On Jul 5, 2014, at 5:43 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:

> Have any of you tried the Beats streaming music service? Don't have it in 
> Norway. Not accessible? Curious since Apple bought the company. Looking 
> forward to test the product some time.
> 
> Take care
> 
> 5. juli 2014 kl. 01:45 skrev Alex Hall :
> 
> I just made a free account to try it out. Their official Mac app is pretty 
> inaccessible, and their web player requires Flash to use at all. Hmm, I'll 
> stick to searching Youtube for now until and if I can find a better Mac app 
> for this service. It looks good, but I hate Flash and VO doesn't work well 
> with their native Mac app, unfortunately.
> On Jul 4, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> I have never used Spotify on the Mac. But it does what you want if you have 
>> the paid service. You can stream any song you want or any list of songs you 
>> want in the order you want. But again, I can't say whether it works well on 
>> a Mac or not.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 4, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> There are many streaming services out there - iHeart Radio, iTunes Radio, 
>>> Pandora, Spotify, Beats, and others. What I'm looking for is one that will 
>>> let me play a specific song I want, not just recommendations or similar 
>>> songs. I'm asking here because I am not sure which of the services that 
>>> offer this are accessible on the Mac. I believe Spotify is closest to what 
>>> I want, but is it VO friendly? Is there another service that will work 
>>> better? Any suggestions would be great. Please note that I'm looking for 
>>> one that works on the Mac; iOS is secondary to me for this. Thanks.
>>> --
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>>> Alex Hall
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Re: Games

2014-07-05 Thread Jessica Moss
We've all been looking for those for ages, but not sure if there are that many 
yet.  To my knowledge, unless someone knows something I don't and wants to add 
to this, I think the only ones that seems to be available, are the ones you 
mentioned and rsgames.
On Jul 4, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
wrote:

> I'm looking for some fun games on the Mac. I prefer action games. I know 
> Draconis has two games for the Mac now, but is there anything else?
> 
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Re: Highlighting a column in Numbers

2014-07-05 Thread Phil Halton
Clicking the column header you know, a, B, etc. That will select of the column. 
Another way to do it is simply to hold the shift key and press command down 
arrow while you're at the top of the column. That should select the entire 
column.

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> 
> I remember a way to highlight a column at once by moving the cursor to the 
> column head by pressing VO + Shift + Apostrophy (on german keyboards) and 
> choosing columns from the upcomming menue. So far so good. But I can't 
> remember what to press next to highlight the complete column at once. VO + 
> Spacebar didn't work as well as bringing up the context menue. 
> 
> So could someone help me please to highlight the whole column?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
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Re: Highlighting a column in Numbers

2014-07-05 Thread Phil Halton
I think it asks that because spreadsheets, unlike other documents, require a 
lot of formatting. They can be very large and you don't want to send a huge 
spreadsheet to  your printer. So, it makes you go through some selection 
process of what you want to print. That's my best guess. At least that's how it 
worked on the window side. Good luck.

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> 
> I am not sure. What I do need to know however, is how to print numbers 
> document on my computer. Yesterday when I tried this, it tried to make me 
> select parts of the document. I wanted to print the entire thing.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2014, at 4:47 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> I remember a way to highlight a column at once by moving the cursor to the 
>> column head by pressing VO + Shift + Apostrophy (on german keyboards) and 
>> choosing columns from the upcomming menue. So far so good. But I can't 
>> remember what to press next to highlight the complete column at once. VO + 
>> Spacebar didn't work as well as bringing up the context menue. 
>> 
>> So could someone help me please to highlight the whole column?
>> 
>> Thanks and all the best
>> Jürgen
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Re: Frustrations with updating Adobe Flash player

2014-07-05 Thread Phil Halton
I think the website you want is www.get.Adobe.com

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> On Jul 5, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Daniel McGee  
> wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't worry about it. In any case, I would advise you to download the 
> latest flash player from adobe's main site. Just in case, this update that 
> you try to install puts something bad on your system.
> I'm not trying to frighten you here but I'd advise you to always get 
> something from the original source i.e. website.
> 
> Or if you have Google Crome just use that. Flash is always up to date with 
> that browser and you don't have to do nothing to install it.
> 
> I alternate between Safari and Crome all the time.
> 
> hth
> 
> Daniel
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>> 
>> I am receiving an update notification regarding adobe Flash player, but 
>> nothing I do is starting the update. I have tried interacting and hitting vo 
>> shift space or enter on download; I have tried interacting with where it 
>> says image browser, but I am consistently  getting an error noise.
>> I tried simply going to the applications folder and clicking there, and 
>> while it seems to open, I am not receiving any indication that it is 
>> installing, progressing, or finished. When I interact with HTML, it says 
>> empty HTML.
>> Any help is appreciated. 
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Re: Highlighting a column in Numbers

2014-07-05 Thread Jessica D
I am not sure. What I do need to know however, is how to print numbers document 
on my computer. Yesterday when I tried this, it tried to make me select parts 
of the document. I wanted to print the entire thing.

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I remember a way to highlight a column at once by moving the cursor to the 
> column head by pressing VO + Shift + Apostrophy (on german keyboards) and 
> choosing columns from the upcomming menue. So far so good. But I can't 
> remember what to press next to highlight the complete column at once. VO + 
> Spacebar didn't work as well as bringing up the context menue. 
> 
> So could someone help me please to highlight the whole column?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Dawn Benbow
Thanks Kevin! :)

Dawn

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> On Jul 5, 2014, at 8:41 AM, "Kevin Shaw"  wrote:
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> Hi Dawn,
> 
> One of the best resources is sitting on your Mac in iTunes. iTunes U has 
> several Mac programming courses that will help you conceptually understand 
> what's happening under the hood of your iDevice. some courses come with 
> material to follow along with, but you can also supplement this by looking up 
> tutorials. I've taken one itunes U course on Python and it was great.
> 
> Good luck,
> Kevin
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>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>>I've been a lurker on this list for a while now. I've become interested 
>> in learning how to program, specifically to build apps for iOS, to start 
>> with at least. But, I'm wondering where is a good place to start learning, 
>> and where are there good educational resources for learning that don't cost 
>> a lot of money. Free is best if possible! :) 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dawn
>> 
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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Kevin Shaw
Hi Dawn,

One of the best resources is sitting on your Mac in iTunes. iTunes U has 
several Mac programming courses that will help you conceptually understand 
what's happening under the hood of your iDevice. some courses come with 
material to follow along with, but you can also supplement this by looking up 
tutorials. I've taken one itunes U course on Python and it was great.

Good luck,
Kevin
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> Hi everyone,
> 
>   I've been a lurker on this list for a while now. I've become interested 
> in learning how to program, specifically to build apps for iOS, to start with 
> at least. But, I'm wondering where is a good place to start learning, and 
> where are there good educational resources for learning that don't cost a lot 
> of money. Free is best if possible! :) 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dawn
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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Dawn Benbow
Thanks so much! :) This is the sort of help I was looking for! Thanks for the 
list recommendation as well as I was looking for one. 

Dawn

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> On Jul 5, 2014, at 8:35 AM, "Alex Hall"  wrote:
> 
> Free is indeed best. :) I recommend simply googling "learn objective-c" to 
> start with, and reading the tutorials you find. Some will make more sense 
> than others, but which ones depend on your background, learning style, and so 
> forth. For using Xcode, www.applevis.com has a few guides and forums you will 
> probably find useful. I also put a podcast up there that goes through a 
> "hello world" app which should help to explain things after you get through 
> the basic layout stuff. Finally, I highly recommend you join the sister list 
> to this one, dedicated to blind programmers on the Mac:
> mv-dev+subscr...@googlegroups.com
>> On Jul 5, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Dawn Benbow  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>>  I've been a lurker on this list for a while now. I've become interested 
>> in learning how to program, specifically to build apps for iOS, to start 
>> with at least. But, I'm wondering where is a good place to start learning, 
>> and where are there good educational resources for learning that don't cost 
>> a lot of money. Free is best if possible! :) 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dawn
>> 
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Re: Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Alex Hall
Free is indeed best. :) I recommend simply googling "learn objective-c" to 
start with, and reading the tutorials you find. Some will make more sense than 
others, but which ones depend on your background, learning style, and so forth. 
For using Xcode, www.applevis.com has a few guides and forums you will probably 
find useful. I also put a podcast up there that goes through a "hello world" 
app which should help to explain things after you get through the basic layout 
stuff. Finally, I highly recommend you join the sister list to this one, 
dedicated to blind programmers on the Mac:
mv-dev+subscr...@googlegroups.com
On Jul 5, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Dawn Benbow  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
>   I've been a lurker on this list for a while now. I've become interested 
> in learning how to program, specifically to build apps for iOS, to start with 
> at least. But, I'm wondering where is a good place to start learning, and 
> where are there good educational resources for learning that don't cost a lot 
> of money. Free is best if possible! :) 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dawn
> 
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Recommendations for learning to program on a Mac

2014-07-05 Thread Dawn Benbow
Hi everyone,

I've been a lurker on this list for a while now. I've become interested 
in learning how to program, specifically to build apps for iOS, to start with 
at least. But, I'm wondering where is a good place to start learning, and where 
are there good educational resources for learning that don't cost a lot of 
money. Free is best if possible! :) 

Thanks,

Dawn

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Re: Frustrations with updating Adobe Flash player

2014-07-05 Thread Daniel McGee
I wouldn't worry about it. In any case, I would advise you to download the 
latest flash player from adobe's main site. Just in case, this update that you 
try to install puts something bad on your system.
I'm not trying to frighten you here but I'd advise you to always get something 
from the original source i.e. website.

Or if you have Google Crome just use that. Flash is always up to date with that 
browser and you don't have to do nothing to install it.

I alternate between Safari and Crome all the time.

hth

Daniel
On 5 Jul 2014, at 11:46, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> I am receiving an update notification regarding adobe Flash player, but 
> nothing I do is starting the update. I have tried interacting and hitting vo 
> shift space or enter on download; I have tried interacting with where it says 
> image browser, but I am consistently  getting an error noise.
> I tried simply going to the applications folder and clicking there, and while 
> it seems to open, I am not receiving any indication that it is installing, 
> progressing, or finished. When I interact with HTML, it says empty HTML.
> Any help is appreciated. 
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Frustrations with updating Adobe Flash player

2014-07-05 Thread Christine Grassman
I am receiving an update notification regarding adobe Flash player, but nothing 
I do is starting the update. I have tried interacting and hitting vo shift 
space or enter on download; I have tried interacting with where it says image 
browser, but I am consistently  getting an error noise.
I tried simply going to the applications folder and clicking there, and while 
it seems to open, I am not receiving any indication that it is installing, 
progressing, or finished. When I interact with HTML, it says empty HTML.
Any help is appreciated. 
Christine

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Re: Service to stream only songs I want?

2014-07-05 Thread Terje Strømberg
Have any of you tried the Beats streaming music service? Don't have it in 
Norway. Not accessible? Curious since Apple bought the company. Looking forward 
to test the product some time.

Take care

5. juli 2014 kl. 01:45 skrev Alex Hall :

I just made a free account to try it out. Their official Mac app is pretty 
inaccessible, and their web player requires Flash to use at all. Hmm, I'll 
stick to searching Youtube for now until and if I can find a better Mac app for 
this service. It looks good, but I hate Flash and VO doesn't work well with 
their native Mac app, unfortunately.
On Jul 4, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> I have never used Spotify on the Mac. But it does what you want if you have 
> the paid service. You can stream any song you want or any list of songs you 
> want in the order you want. But again, I can't say whether it works well on a 
> Mac or not.
> Mary
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
>> Hi all,
>> There are many streaming services out there - iHeart Radio, iTunes Radio, 
>> Pandora, Spotify, Beats, and others. What I'm looking for is one that will 
>> let me play a specific song I want, not just recommendations or similar 
>> songs. I'm asking here because I am not sure which of the services that 
>> offer this are accessible on the Mac. I believe Spotify is closest to what I 
>> want, but is it VO friendly? Is there another service that will work better? 
>> Any suggestions would be great. Please note that I'm looking for one that 
>> works on the Mac; iOS is secondary to me for this. Thanks.
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Re: Managing Gmail

2014-07-05 Thread Terje Strømberg
That is normal. Let it be. Some day you can't find an important email. Where to 
look? The Mailbox called <>. Others may tell you how to disable this 
mailbox.

Take care
 
5. juli 2014 kl. 04:23 skrev Desi Noller :

Hi Everyone and Happy Fourth!

I have a gmail account for all of my list mail.  The mail from that account 
comes directly to my inbox in Apple Mail on my iMac.  Recently I was doing 
something in my mailboxes table, and I discovered that several entries down on 
the list, I had a mailbox called All Mail Gmail.  When I opened it, to my 
horror, I discovered some 8,000 messages there!  I did a mass delete!  Since 
then, I have been keeping tabs on this mailbox and deleting everything I find 
there at the end of each day.  Then, both yesterday and today I checked it 
again, and when to my knowledge it should have been empty, again I found 
several thousand messages!  What else can I do to keep these messages from 
piling up!  I really don't want to check my mail on the Google site because 
maybe it's just me, but I find it very difficult to navigate!  Any help with 
this would be most appreciated!  Thanks in advance!

Desi



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Highlighting a column in Numbers

2014-07-05 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi Folks,

I remember a way to highlight a column at once by moving the cursor to the 
column head by pressing VO + Shift + Apostrophy (on german keyboards) and 
choosing columns from the upcomming menue. So far so good. But I can't remember 
what to press next to highlight the complete column at once. VO + Spacebar 
didn't work as well as bringing up the context menue. 

So could someone help me please to highlight the whole column?

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen

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