date:20150111

Well, the message you just replied to mentions using different web browsers so 
I would think that would be the website rather than the app. I haven't as yet 
even used the app so I don't know about this.
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
If so, are others checking the same way?
Kare


On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Hello:
> I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
> isn’t the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
> Saturday was the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with different 
> web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their site use captchas 
> now. Go figure.
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>> First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was 
>> no captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread 
>> but I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from 
>> the main site and the access site even though I never actually use the 
>> access site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main 
>> site. So I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha while 
>> another doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username and password and 
>> you do have to enter the claim code. You even can get around reading a claim 
>> code by having people email your gift cards instead of sending them by snail 
>> mail or giving them to you when the person involved uses email. It's not 
>> that i'm doubting your statement that there was a captcha; I personally 
>> simply don't see any request for one and never have in my own experience. 
>> Maybe they have started doing it for some accounts and others will follow 
>> though that doesn't totally make sense to me either.
>> 
>> Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some 
>> instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about 
>> passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue 
>> about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue about 
>> whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what that 
>> alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that something 
>> in addition to username and password is overkill, at least in some 
>> situations.
>> 
>> It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely run 
>> into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps when 
>> you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm not 
>> going to change mine just to test this out. There may be some other 
>> instances.
>> 
>> --
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>> thrown in the trash!
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind,
>> and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>> never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli > > wrote:
>> 
>> Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to 
>> redeem a gift card!
>> I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
>> password, a captcha is just over kill!
>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility 
>>> lawyer I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is 
>>> an acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am 
>>> not comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
>>> representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
>>> could give them access to saved credit card information.
>>> 
>>> Gabe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli >> > wrote:
>>> 
 
 Hello,
 
 Amazon.com  implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
 Amazon.com  such as password changes. Users are 
 presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the picture 
 into a text entry field

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

I’ve never gotten web visum to work on the Mac.
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> if you have access to firefox you can get webvisum. that often worked for me 
> with standard capchas. 
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
>> If so, are others checking the same way?
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello:
>>> I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
>>> isn’t the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
>>> Saturday was the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with 
>>> different web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their site 
>>> use captchas now. Go figure.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

 First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was 
 no captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this 
 thread but I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this 
 both from the main site and the access site even though I never actually 
 use the access site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use 
 the main site. So I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a 
 captcha while another doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username 
 and password and you do have to enter the claim code. You even can get 
 around reading a claim code by having people email your gift cards instead 
 of sending them by snail mail or giving them to you when the person 
 involved uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement that there 
 was a captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for one and never 
 have in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it for some 
 accounts and others will follow though that doesn't totally make sense to 
 me either.

 Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in 
 some instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know 
 about passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We 
 can argue about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can 
 argue about whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and 
 what that alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue 
 that something in addition to username and password is overkill, at least 
 in some situations.

 It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely 
 run into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps 
 when you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm 
 not going to change mine just to test this out. There may be some other 
 instances.

 --
 Cheryl

 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 "This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness."
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to 
 redeem a gift card!
 I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
 password, a captcha is just over kill!
> On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility 
> lawyer I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this 
> is an acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one 
> am not comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
> representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
> could give them access to saved credit card information.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
> mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Amazon.com  implements CAPTCHA on several features 
>> on Amazon.com  such as password changes. Users are 
>> presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the 
>> picture into a text entry field before continuing.
>> 
>> Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
>> accessing features on Amazon.com . We do this to 
>> mai

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

I was using Safari on my Mac.
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
> If so, are others checking the same way?
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hello:
>> I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
>> isn’t the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
>> Saturday was the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with different 
>> web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their site use 
>> captchas now. Go figure.
>>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>>> 
>>> First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was 
>>> no captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread 
>>> but I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from 
>>> the main site and the access site even though I never actually use the 
>>> access site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main 
>>> site. So I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha 
>>> while another doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username and 
>>> password and you do have to enter the claim code. You even can get around 
>>> reading a claim code by having people email your gift cards instead of 
>>> sending them by snail mail or giving them to you when the person involved 
>>> uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement that there was a 
>>> captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for one and never have 
>>> in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it for some accounts 
>>> and others will follow though that doesn't totally make sense to me either.
>>> 
>>> Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some 
>>> instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about 
>>> passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue 
>>> about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue 
>>> about whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what 
>>> that alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that 
>>> something in addition to username and password is overkill, at least in 
>>> some situations.
>>> 
>>> It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely 
>>> run into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps 
>>> when you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm 
>>> not going to change mine just to test this out. There may be some other 
>>> instances.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Cheryl
>>> 
>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>>> thrown in the trash!
>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>>> And now, every day:
>>> "This I call to mind,
>>> and therefore I have hope:
>>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>>> never ceases;
>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>> they are new every morning;
>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to 
>>> redeem a gift card!
>>> I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
>>> password, a captcha is just over kill!
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility 
 lawyer I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is 
 an acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am 
 not comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
 representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
 could give them access to saved credit card information.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Amazon.com  implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
> Amazon.com  such as password changes. Users are 
> presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the 
> picture into a text entry field before continuing.
> 
> Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
> accessing features on Amazon.com . We do this to 
> maintain the security of your account and personal information.
> 
> If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read 
> or enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the 
> following link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-11 Thread Lorie McCloud

if you have access to firefox you can get webvisum. that often worked for me 
with standard capchas. 
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> If memory serves, you  met  with  this using the app, is that correct?
> If so, are others checking the same way?
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hello:
>> I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that 
>> isn’t the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. 
>> Saturday was the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with different 
>> web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their site use 
>> captchas now. Go figure.
>>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>>> 
>>> First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was 
>>> no captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread 
>>> but I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from 
>>> the main site and the access site even though I never actually use the 
>>> access site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main 
>>> site. So I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha 
>>> while another doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username and 
>>> password and you do have to enter the claim code. You even can get around 
>>> reading a claim code by having people email your gift cards instead of 
>>> sending them by snail mail or giving them to you when the person involved 
>>> uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement that there was a 
>>> captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for one and never have 
>>> in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it for some accounts 
>>> and others will follow though that doesn't totally make sense to me either.
>>> 
>>> Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some 
>>> instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about 
>>> passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue 
>>> about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue 
>>> about whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what 
>>> that alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that 
>>> something in addition to username and password is overkill, at least in 
>>> some situations.
>>> 
>>> It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely 
>>> run into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps 
>>> when you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm 
>>> not going to change mine just to test this out. There may be some other 
>>> instances.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Cheryl
>>> 
>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>>> thrown in the trash!
>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>>> And now, every day:
>>> "This I call to mind,
>>> and therefore I have hope:
>>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>>> never ceases;
>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>> they are new every morning;
>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to 
>>> redeem a gift card!
>>> I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
>>> password, a captcha is just over kill!
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility 
 lawyer I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is 
 an acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am 
 not comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
 representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
 could give them access to saved credit card information.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
 mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Amazon.com  implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
> Amazon.com  such as password changes. Users are 
> presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the 
> picture into a text entry field before continuing.
> 
> Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
> accessing features on Amazon.com . We do this to 
> maintain the security of your account and personal information.
> 
> If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read 
> or enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the 
>>

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

2015-01-11 Thread Karen Lewellen

If memory serves, you met with this using the app, is that correct?
If so, are others checking the same way?
Kare

On Sun, 11 Jan 2015, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

Hello:
I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that
isn???t the issue. I???ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues.
Saturday was the first time I???ve ever seen this. I even tried with different
web browsers. The people at Amazon said some parts of their site use captchas
now. Go figure.

On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was no
captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread but I
went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from the main
site and the access site even though I never actually use the access site. Both
with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main site. So I'm a little
puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha while another doesn't. You do
have to sign in with your username and password and you do have to enter the
claim code. You even can get around reading a claim code by having people email
your gift cards instead of sending them by snail mail or giving them to you
when the person involved uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement
that there was a captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for one and
never have in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it for some
accounts and others will follow though that doesn't totally make sense to me
either.

Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some
instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about
passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue
about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue about
whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what that
alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that something in
addition to username and password is overkill, at least in some situations.

It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely run
into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps when you
change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm not going to
change mine just to test this out. There may be some other instances.

--
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to redeem a
gift card!
I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and
password, a captcha is just over kill!

On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility lawyer I
know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is an acceptable
solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am not comfortable
with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon representative anything
from your gift card number to your password which could give them access to
saved credit card information.

Gabe

On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

Amazon.com implements CAPTCHA on several features on Amazon.com
such as password changes. Users are presented with a picture,
and asked to copy the text string in the picture into a text entry field before continuing.

Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from accessing
features on Amazon.com . We do this to maintain the
security of your account and personal information.

If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or
enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the following link.
You can either enter your number and we'll give you a call, or you call us
directly at one of the numbers provided on the page.

www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus

We hope to see you again soon.

Best regards,
Bea D.
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Re: Question about transferring an audio book

Hi:
I used Audio book builder to create the book. I have iTunes 12 on my Mac with 
the latest OS. I have the iPod Nano 6th gen and the iPhone 5s. Issue isn’t with 
the book b/c Nano sees it fine, the iPhone doesn’t see the track divisions.
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> I would also like to know this.  Tell me that, and I'll get the app.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:08 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> I used Audiobook builder to build a book with each file divided in to 
>> tracks. One book has 41 tracks. I transfer it to my Nano, and it works fine, 
>> I can navigate back and forth via the 41 tracks. The issue is when I 
>> transfer the book to my iPhone 5s, the book is 1 large file, and the track 
>> divisions are not appearing. I’m using a Mac with iTunes 12. How can I 
>> resolve the issue on the phone?
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Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

Hello:
I do a lot of Swagbucking and m Amazon cards are sent via email, so that isn’t 
the issue. I’ve redeemed Amazon cards for years without issues. Saturday was 
the first time I’ve ever seen this. I even tried with different web browsers. 
The people at Amazon said some parts of their site use captchas now. Go figure.
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was no 
> captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread but 
> I went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from the 
> main site and the access site even though I never actually use the access 
> site. Both with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main site. So 
> I'm a little puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha while another 
> doesn't. You do have to sign in with your username and password and you do 
> have to enter the claim code. You even can get around reading a claim code by 
> having people email your gift cards instead of sending them by snail mail or 
> giving them to you when the person involved uses email. It's not that i'm 
> doubting your statement that there was a captcha; I personally simply don't 
> see any request for one and never have in my own experience. Maybe they have 
> started doing it for some accounts and others will follow though that doesn't 
> totally make sense to me either.
> 
> Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some 
> instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about 
> passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue 
> about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue about 
> whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what that 
> alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that something 
> in addition to username and password is overkill, at least in some 
> situations. 
> 
> It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely run 
> into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps when 
> you change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm not going 
> to change mine just to test this out. There may be some other instances.
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  > wrote:
> 
> Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to redeem 
> a gift card!
> I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
> password, a captcha is just over kill!
>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility lawyer 
>> I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is an 
>> acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am not 
>> comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
>> representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
>> could give them access to saved credit card information.
>> 
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli > > wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> 
>>> Amazon.com  implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
>>> Amazon.com  such as password changes. Users are 
>>> presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the picture 
>>> into a text entry field before continuing. 
>>> 
>>> Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
>>> accessing features on Amazon.com . We do this to 
>>> maintain the security of your account and personal information. 
>>> 
>>> If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or 
>>> enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the following 
>>> link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a call, or you 
>>> call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page. 
>>> 
>>> www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We hope to see you again soon.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Bea D.
>>> Did I solve your problem?
>>> Yes 
>>

Re: Unwanted List traffic

2015-01-11 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

Not 100% clear on what you are asking. Just checked the "Pending 
Messages" queue where anything Google flags as spam goes and it's empty.


CB

On 1/11/15 11:20 AM, Stan ZA wrote:

*Hi Every1,*
*On the 4 January 2015, I submitted a message "Hijacking?", which I 
have not yet seen on the list.*
*I created a new message then, instead of just replying,  as I did not 
think it prudent, nor did I wish to participate in spreading what I 
considered unwanted information on this List.*
*Now with hindsight, I guess I should not have used "hijacking", as 
the subject.*

*Hi Every1,*
*Is this a "hi-jacking" or what?, or am I really missing out, BIG TIME?*
*Is there some way of "blocking" this ?*
*
*
*""John Thompson >*
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>

Where To Buy Pentobarbital""???


Thanks


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Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D

Hi Alex,

the reason why I started with python is that I initially wanted world of 
warcraft accessiblity. So that's the choice thing. I can port it to swift once 
I know better about the language.

I will broadcast the entire structure and their scripts once its done and see 
if you can get any of the stuff inside, which I am sure you will :)

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Re: unsupported video on amazon

2015-01-11 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries


Can you share a link to one of the Amazon video reviews that is not working?

CB

On 1/11/15 9:01 PM, Christina C. wrote:
Hi, often when going through reviews on Amazon.com 
 there is a video review and I often get this 
message and cannot access the video.


"Sorry, this video is unsupported on this browser.“

I have the latest flash plug in for Safari installed. Is there some 
other plug in that I may be missing?


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Re: coaching in terminal

I bet it is the screensaver settings because I don't use those but I do seem to 
remember when I had my macbook air I had this issue at one time. Don't remember 
what I did about it.

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Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

this does work and it works great! last night I tried it and played the folder 
for several hours. the only problem I had is that about every 2 or 3 songs VLC 
would stop. when I would tell it to go to the next track, it would, but it 
would start a measure or 2 in from the beginning of the song. maybe it’s the 
screen saver settings, I don’t know but I’m probably going to have my computer 
tech come over here and figure it out because I don’t have any readily 
available sighted help here. I did adjust the screen saver settings but I’m 
still having trouble. the rest is solved though so many thanks to you and David 
for sticking with me on this.
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:18 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> Okay, this does work. Because it says "open file" when you do cmd-o, I didn't 
> realize this would work for folders.
> 
> Open vlc.
> Do cmd-o.
> You will be in a dialog where you have to choose a folder. Choose the folder 
> that would either be the one you want or would have that folder under it from 
> the pop-up. Then interact with the browser or list view or whatever you have 
> set in finder, and find the folder you want. Stop interacting and 
> vo-right-arrow to "open". This should indeed play everything in the folder 
> and its subfolders. Much easier than using terminal.
> 
> If vlc is crashing, I would say maybe you have other files mixed in with your 
> music files. I don't really know if that would cause the crashing or slowness 
> between songs but maybe it would. I run large folders with lots of subfolders 
> and songs, both from terminal and with a playlist and I don't have delays. I 
> am pretty sure the cmd-o method should work also.
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I might be missing something here but thefts time I did that, opened a folder 
> from the menu it just opened as it would if I did command-down arrow and 
> showed me the subfolders inside. nothing about playing it. that’s why I was 
> looking for “open with” the way you can do with a single sound file but that 
> option doesn’t seem to be there. 
> 
> if I’m in VLC and I press command-o then what would I do to highlight the 
> folder I wanted it to play?
>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:48 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> I am not sure why VLC would crash.
>> 
>> To open a folder just highlight the folder and navigate to the open button.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> On 10/01/2015 21:38, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>> if I open VLC first, how do I get to my folders? while I was looking for 
>>> the one I wanted, VLC crashed. how do I highlight a folder once VLC is open?
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 12:09 AM, David Griffith  
 wrote:
 
 No it does not matter. If you highlight the file and press return it will 
 play that file. If you highlight the folder and press return it will play 
 the folder.
 
 David Griffith
> On 10 Jan 2015, at 05:39, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> am I correct in assuming that if I open vlc and press command-o that I 
> need to browse for the folder I want to playy? it says: “open file” does 
> that matter when it’s a folder I’m after?
>> On Jan 9, 2015, at 4:20 PM, David Griffith  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have  not really been following this thread but I am not sure why you 
>> are having to use Terminal.  There may be some reason you want O take 
>> the Terminal route that I have not picked up on.  however I do not have 
>> to use Terminal to play folders of music with VLC. Whatever the folder 
>> size if I want to play a folder of music in VLC, I simply press command 
>> A in the Finder folder window and then command down arrow to open the 
>> selected files as a temporary playlist in VLC. This assumes that VLC is 
>> the default player for the files you want to play.
>> Alternatively just open VL

Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

First of all, I have redeemed several gift cards from Amazon and there was no 
captcha. I thought maybe it had changed recently when I read this thread but I 
went to the website and I see no captcha. I approached this both from the main 
site and the access site even though I never actually use the access site. Both 
with Audible and Amazon, I much prefer to use the main site. So I'm a little 
puzzled as to how one person could see a captcha while another doesn't. You do 
have to sign in with your username and password and you do have to enter the 
claim code. You even can get around reading a claim code by having people email 
your gift cards instead of sending them by snail mail or giving them to you 
when the person involved uses email. It's not that i'm doubting your statement 
that there was a captcha; I personally simply don't see any request for one and 
never have in my own experience. Maybe they have started doing it for some 
accounts and others will follow though that doesn't totally make sense to me 
either.

Secondly, some other form of security besides username and password in some 
instances is not, in my opinion, overkill. At least from what I know about 
passwords being stolen or hacked, i don't think it's overkill. We can argue 
about whether that other form should be captcha r not and we can argue about 
whether or not there should be an accessible alternative and what that 
alternative should be, but i don't really think we can argue that something in 
addition to username and password is overkill, at least in some situations. 

It is true that Amazon does require captchas in some instances; I rarely run 
into this on Amazon but I think when you set up an account and perhaps when you 
change your password you might have to enter a captcha, but I'm not going to 
change mine just to test this out. There may be some other instances.

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
wrote:

Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to redeem a 
gift card!
I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
password, a captcha is just over kill!
> On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility lawyer 
> I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is an 
> acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am not 
> comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
> representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
> could give them access to saved credit card information.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> Amazon.com  implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
>> Amazon.com  such as password changes. Users are 
>> presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the picture 
>> into a text entry field before continuing. 
>> 
>> Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
>> accessing features on Amazon.com . We do this to 
>> maintain the security of your account and personal information. 
>> 
>> If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or 
>> enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the following 
>> link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a call, or you 
>> call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page. 
>> 
>> www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We hope to see you again soon.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Bea D.
>> Did I solve your problem?
>> Yes 
>> 
>>   No 
>> 
>> Your feedback is helping us build Earth's

Re: Question about transferring an audio book

2015-01-11 Thread Ray Foret Jr

I would also like to know this.  Tell me that, and I'll get the app.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:08 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> I used Audiobook builder to build a book with each file divided in to tracks. 
> One book has 41 tracks. I transfer it to my Nano, and it works fine, I can 
> navigate back and forth via the 41 tracks. The issue is when I transfer the 
> book to my iPhone 5s, the book is 1 large file, and the track divisions are 
> not appearing. I’m using a Mac with iTunes 12. How can I resolve the issue on 
> the phone?
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Re: coaching in terminal

2015-01-11 Thread Lorie McCloud

this does work and it works great! last night I tried it and played the folder 
for several hours. the only problem I had is that about every 2 or 3 songs VLC 
would stop. when I would tell it to go to the next track, it would, but it 
would start a measure or 2 in from the beginning of the song. maybe it’s the 
screen saver settings, I don’t know but I’m probably going to have my computer 
tech come over here and figure it out because I don’t have any readily 
available sighted help here. I did adjust the screen saver settings but I’m 
still having trouble. the rest is solved though so many thanks to you and David 
for sticking with me on this.
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:18 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> Okay, this does work. Because it says "open file" when you do cmd-o, I didn't 
> realize this would work for folders.
> 
> Open vlc.
> Do cmd-o.
> You will be in a dialog where you have to choose a folder. Choose the folder 
> that would either be the one you want or would have that folder under it from 
> the pop-up. Then interact with the browser or list view or whatever you have 
> set in finder, and find the folder you want. Stop interacting and 
> vo-right-arrow to "open". This should indeed play everything in the folder 
> and its subfolders. Much easier than using terminal.
> 
> If vlc is crashing, I would say maybe you have other files mixed in with your 
> music files. I don't really know if that would cause the crashing or slowness 
> between songs but maybe it would. I run large folders with lots of subfolders 
> and songs, both from terminal and with a playlist and I don't have delays. I 
> am pretty sure the cmd-o method should work also.
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I might be missing something here but thefts time I did that, opened a folder 
> from the menu it just opened as it would if I did command-down arrow and 
> showed me the subfolders inside. nothing about playing it. that’s why I was 
> looking for “open with” the way you can do with a single sound file but that 
> option doesn’t seem to be there. 
> 
> if I’m in VLC and I press command-o then what would I do to highlight the 
> folder I wanted it to play?
>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:48 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> I am not sure why VLC would crash.
>> 
>> To open a folder just highlight the folder and navigate to the open button.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> On 10/01/2015 21:38, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>> if I open VLC first, how do I get to my folders? while I was looking for 
>>> the one I wanted, VLC crashed. how do I highlight a folder once VLC is open?
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 12:09 AM, David Griffith  
 wrote:
 
 No it does not matter. If you highlight the file and press return it will 
 play that file. If you highlight the folder and press return it will play 
 the folder.
 
 David Griffith
> On 10 Jan 2015, at 05:39, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> am I correct in assuming that if I open vlc and press command-o that I 
> need to browse for the folder I want to playy? it says: “open file” does 
> that matter when it’s a folder I’m after?
>> On Jan 9, 2015, at 4:20 PM, David Griffith  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have  not really been following this thread but I am not sure why you 
>> are having to use Terminal.  There may be some reason you want O take 
>> the Terminal route that I have not picked up on.  however I do not have 
>> to use Terminal to play folders of music with VLC. Whatever the folder 
>> size if I want to play a folder of music in VLC, I simply press command 
>> A in the Finder folder window and then command down arrow to open the 
>> selected files as a temporary playlist in VLC. This assumes that VLC is 
>> the default player for the files you want to play.
>> Alternatively just open VLC, press command O, highlight the folder and 
>> press return and this will do the same thing.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>>> On 9 Jan 2015, at 20:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I got the terminal commands to work with VLC last night. it started 
>>> playing right away but it stopped often and I would have to tell it to 
>>> go to the next track. it staid stuck in the same album and wouldn’t 
>>> wander around as I wanted it to. it’s a pretty big folder probably 25 
>>> or more artists and a lot of them have more than 1 album. is there some 
>>> setting I can change to get it to do what I want or do you think ma

Question about transferring an audio book

Hi:
I used Audiobook builder to build a book with each file divided in to tracks. 
One book has 41 tracks. I transfer it to my Nano, and it works fine, I can 
navigate back and forth via the 41 tracks. The issue is when I transfer the 
book to my iPhone 5s, the book is 1 large file, and the track divisions are not 
appearing. I’m using a Mac with iTunes 12. How can I resolve the issue on the 
phone?

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unsupported video on amazon

2015-01-11 Thread Christina C.

Hi, often when going through reviews on Amazon.com  there 
is a video review and I often get this message and cannot access the video.

"Sorry, this video is unsupported on this browser.“

I have the latest flash plug in for Safari installed. Is there some other plug 
in that I may be missing?

Thanks,
Christina

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shortcuts for styles in pages appear to work

2015-01-11 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn

I was able to get to control button for renaming a style or creating a shortcut 
by hitting command-control-option-J (jump to next control) I believe this will 
work from anywhere in the style table, but  I was also attempting combinations 
of vo-spacebar or vo-command-shift-spacebar.  I am fairly confident that I got 
this to work 2 times in a row. 

This should be great news for folks.
Version: 5.1.1 (2111)

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Re: Keeping a journal, both on Mac and iPhone?

2015-01-11 Thread Christina C.

The last time I checked DayOne was not accessible for iPhone. I contacted the 
developers and they told me they had made VO improvements for the Mac version 
but not for iOS. It was easy for me to make a journal entry with day one on the 
iPhone but that was about it. the rest of the actions were very difficult or 
impossible. You’d have to go to the app store and check out their latest 
updates over the last few months to see if they mention VO improvements but I 
personally have not seen any mentioned. I have not read every update log for 
every update of day One for iOS but I’ve read a few and not seen any mention of 
VO enhancements. Also, as of a few months ago, you can only create one journal 
but you can tag your journal entries.

Christina
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Day One is supposed to be a good app for iPhone and Mac. I’ve neer used it 
> before, but it is highly rated.
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Christina C.  wrote:
>> 
>> Check out macJournal. I cannot tell you how accessible the mac version is 
>> because I only have a little bit of experience with it. The little bit of 
>> experience is so far promising. I have not used the iPhone version yet. It’s 
>> really more about a lack of time to learn to set everything up in order to 
>> sync across devices. I think you can choose to sync via drop box or through 
>> macJournal but I do not know how to do either and do not know if the iPhone 
>> version is accessible.  I believe the macJournal for Mac has a downloadable 
>> trial for free on the website not through the app store.
>> 
>> Also, I know you can create multiple Journals but I don’t know about nested 
>> journals. I don’t know what that is and how in the world you are doing that 
>> with notes. :)
>> 
>> Good Luck,
>> Christina
>>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> For the past two years or so, I have been keeping sort of a journal on my 
>>> Mac, using the Notes app.  The reason this works for me is that I can also 
>>> add notes from my iPhone, and they will appear on my Mac.  I have amassed 
>>> thousands of notes and don’t know how I will ever import all of them into a 
>>> journal.
>>> 
>>> Is there an accessible app, both for the Mac and the iPhone that would 
>>> allow me to keep my journals?  I keep three different kinds of journals, so 
>>> perhaps a program allowing for “nested journals” would be the ticket.
>>> 
>>> The program needs to work seamlessly between the Mac and the iPhone and, of 
>>> course, it needs to work on both platforms with VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.  
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
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Re: Buying mp3 albums from amazon and downloading to the mac

2015-01-11 Thread David Griffith

From memory you have to run the install which then downloads a  dmg 
file from which you can extract the Amazon Mp3 Downloadable app.
I did this last year so did not do it again today. This is from memory 
but I did not find it difficult though I had to go to system preferences 
to make the Mac allow the installation of the app.  Once installed, on 
using the site I found that what happens on my system is that you have 
to download a small don loader file first and then open that in your 
downloads folder. Once this file is opened Amazon Mp3 Down loader will 
download your music to an Amazon Mp3 Folder in your Music Folder on the Mac.

It also gives the option to import into iTunes if you wish.


David Griffith

On 11/01/2015 17:51, erik burggraaf wrote:
So, if I check the box and hit the button it will install the 
accessible downloader?


Best,

Erik Burggraaf



On Jan 11, 2015, at 7:15 AM, David Griffith > wrote:



I just went to look and it still available.
They do not want you to use it and try to direct you to the Amazon 
Music app as they want to bombard you with adverts but just continue 
down the page and they will reluctantly point you  to the page to 
download the Amazon Mp3 Downloader.


Specifically I found the download page on the UK site to download it at

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/dmusic/help/amd-bm.html?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
On 11 Jan 2015, at 15:01, denise avant > wrote:


Hello all,
I have attempted to find the accessible version of the amazon mp3 
downloader through a google search. The search seems to be showing 
that it does not exist anymore. Have I overlooked something?

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.



Begin forwarded message:

*Subject: **Re: Buying mp3 albums from amazon and downloading to 
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*Date: *November 27, 2014 at 5:47:49 AM CST
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You need  to use not   the inaccessible Amazon app but instead 
install the alternative Amazon Music Downloader.
Generally in checking out you need to reject the option to use the 
Amazon app and select the option which says something like no 
thanks use the Amazon Music Downloader.


David Griffith
On 27 Nov 2014, at 05:06, denise avant > wrote:


Hello all,
I have bought an album from Amazon music. I downloaded the amazon 
app for the mac, but cannot seem to download the album to my 
computer, which is a mac with using Yosemite. Can anyone provide 
assistance? If I cannot use the Amazon app on the computer, would 
it be better to download it to the iphone or ipad using the Amazon 
player and then it to my computer?

Thanks.

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Re: Keeping a journal, both on Mac and iPhone?

Day One is supposed to be a good app for iPhone and Mac. I’ve neer used it 
before, but it is highly rated.
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> Check out macJournal. I cannot tell you how accessible the mac version is 
> because I only have a little bit of experience with it. The little bit of 
> experience is so far promising. I have not used the iPhone version yet. It’s 
> really more about a lack of time to learn to set everything up in order to 
> sync across devices. I think you can choose to sync via drop box or through 
> macJournal but I do not know how to do either and do not know if the iPhone 
> version is accessible.  I believe the macJournal for Mac has a downloadable 
> trial for free on the website not through the app store.
> 
> Also, I know you can create multiple Journals but I don’t know about nested 
> journals. I don’t know what that is and how in the world you are doing that 
> with notes. :)
> 
> Good Luck,
> Christina
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> For the past two years or so, I have been keeping sort of a journal on my 
>> Mac, using the Notes app.  The reason this works for me is that I can also 
>> add notes from my iPhone, and they will appear on my Mac.  I have amassed 
>> thousands of notes and don’t know how I will ever import all of them into a 
>> journal.
>> 
>> Is there an accessible app, both for the Mac and the iPhone that would allow 
>> me to keep my journals?  I keep three different kinds of journals, so 
>> perhaps a program allowing for “nested journals” would be the ticket.
>> 
>> The program needs to work seamlessly between the Mac and the iPhone and, of 
>> course, it needs to work on both platforms with VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.  
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: Response from Amazon regarding captchas

Not to mention it is not convenient to call them each time you want to redeem a 
gift card!
I mean, come on! You hae to log in to your account with your user name and 
password, a captcha is just over kill!
> On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for this information Sarai. I'm sending it to an accessibility lawyer 
> I know here in California to get her take on whether or not this is an 
> acceptable solution and what further action can be taken. I for one am not 
> comfortable with this solution as it would mean giving an amazon 
> representative anything from your gift card number to your password which 
> could give them access to saved credit card information.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> Amazon.com  implements CAPTCHA on several features on 
>> Amazon.com  such as password changes. Users are 
>> presented with a picture, and asked to copy the text string in the picture 
>> into a text entry field before continuing. 
>> 
>> Entering the characters displayed helps prevent automated programs from 
>> accessing features on Amazon.com . We do this to 
>> maintain the security of your account and personal information. 
>> 
>> If you're presented with a verification screen and you're unable to read or 
>> enter the word(s) displayed, please click or press enter on the following 
>> link. You can either enter your number and we'll give you a call, or you 
>> call us directly at one of the numbers provided on the page. 
>> 
>> www.amazon.com/accessibility-contactus 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We hope to see you again soon.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Bea D.
>> Did I solve your problem?
>> Yes 
>> 
>>   No 
>> 
>> Your feedback is helping us build Earth's Most Customer-Centric Company.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> Amazon.com 
> 
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Re: Redeming Amazon Gift Cards

Thanks Gabe, I didn’t see  the redeem gc section o the access page. I’ll try 
again next time I get a gift card.
> On Jan 10, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just looked at the amazon.com/access site. I was able to click on the link 
> for gift cards and then sign in to my account. There is only an edit field 
> for the card code and then a button to add to account. There is no captcha as 
> far as I could tell. I admittedly don't have an amazon gift card right now to 
> complete adding to my account but I would think that if there was going to be 
> a captcha that is the page where it would be.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> On Jan 10, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> The accessible version is crappy! You cannot redeem gift cards, and you can 
>> find more stuff on the main site.
>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 4:07 PM, Faisal ali  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have you tried www.amazon.com/access?
>>> It’s the accessible version.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>>> Sent: January-10-15 10:04 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Redeming Amazon Gift Cards
>>> 
>>> No luck, when you go to log in it takes you bk to the main site.
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Karen Lewellen  
 wrote:
 
 have you visited here?
 m.amazon.com
 Granted I do this with a low graphics browser, but I have never found that 
 requirement on this page.
 hope thishelps.
 
 
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> Hi:
> It appears Amazon makes you enter in a Captcha code before redeeming 
> Amazon gift cards. Therer isn’t an accessible alternative.
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Re: something to show battery status?

2015-01-11 Thread Alex Hall

Have you tried the Talking Dashboard scripts I made a couple years ago? One is 
for exactly what you're looking for, and you might find others useful too. The 
ram script is broken in Mavericks and newer, and I don't know why, but the rest 
work normally. Here's the zip file with all the scripts and the instructions, 
which I strongly recommend you read:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17005121/talking%20dashboard.zip
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:22 PM, deedra waters  wrote:
> 
> I’m wondering if anyone has a way to do something like right option b to show 
> battery status? I get 12 hours of battery life i know that, but i’d like to 
> be able to check it now and then rather then going to the menu that shows 
> time and such i’d rather use a keystroke.
> deedra waters
> dee...@the-brannons.com
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Re: coaching in terminal

Okay, this does work. Because it says "open file" when you do cmd-o, I didn't 
realize this would work for folders.

Open vlc.
Do cmd-o.
You will be in a dialog where you have to choose a folder. Choose the folder 
that would either be the one you want or would have that folder under it from 
the pop-up. Then interact with the browser or list view or whatever you have 
set in finder, and find the folder you want. Stop interacting and 
vo-right-arrow to "open". This should indeed play everything in the folder and 
its subfolders. Much easier than using terminal.

If vlc is crashing, I would say maybe you have other files mixed in with your 
music files. I don't really know if that would cause the crashing or slowness 
between songs but maybe it would. I run large folders with lots of subfolders 
and songs, both from terminal and with a playlist and I don't have delays. I am 
pretty sure the cmd-o method should work also.

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On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I might be missing something here but thefts time I did that, opened a folder 
from the menu it just opened as it would if I did command-down arrow and showed 
me the subfolders inside. nothing about playing it. that’s why I was looking 
for “open with” the way you can do with a single sound file but that option 
doesn’t seem to be there. 

if I’m in VLC and I press command-o then what would I do to highlight the 
folder I wanted it to play?
> On Jan 10, 2015, at 5:48 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> I am not sure why VLC would crash.
> 
> To open a folder just highlight the folder and navigate to the open button.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> On 10/01/2015 21:38, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> if I open VLC first, how do I get to my folders? while I was looking for the 
>> one I wanted, VLC crashed. how do I highlight a folder once VLC is open?
>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 12:09 AM, David Griffith  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No it does not matter. If you highlight the file and press return it will 
>>> play that file. If you highlight the folder and press return it will play 
>>> the folder.
>>> 
>>> David Griffith
 On 10 Jan 2015, at 05:39, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

 am I correct in assuming that if I open vlc and press command-o that I 
 need to browse for the folder I want to playy? it says: “open file” does 
 that matter when it’s a folder I’m after?
> On Jan 9, 2015, at 4:20 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> I have  not really been following this thread but I am not sure why you 
> are having to use Terminal.  There may be some reason you want O take the 
> Terminal route that I have not picked up on.  however I do not have to 
> use Terminal to play folders of music with VLC. Whatever the folder size 
> if I want to play a folder of music in VLC, I simply press command A in 
> the Finder folder window and then command down arrow to open the selected 
> files as a temporary playlist in VLC. This assumes that VLC is the 
> default player for the files you want to play.
> Alternatively just open VLC, press command O, highlight the folder and 
> press return and this will do the same thing.
> 
> David Griffith
>> On 9 Jan 2015, at 20:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I got the terminal commands to work with VLC last night. it started 
>> playing right away but it stopped often and I would have to tell it to 
>> go to the next track. it staid stuck in the same album and wouldn’t 
>> wander around as I wanted it to. it’s a pretty big folder probably 25 or 
>> more artists and a lot of them have more than 1 album. is there some 
>> setting I can change to get it to do what I want or do you think maybe 
>> the folder’s just too big?
>> 
>> TThanks.
>>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 7:14 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can start with /Users (note the slash in front) but usually when 
>>> you open terminal you are in your home directory you can just start 
>>> with the directory. For instance from my home directory:
>>> 
>>> open -a /Applications/VLC.app Music/Classical
>>> 
>>> I made this up but this should give you an example.
>>> 
>>> If this doesn't work, tell what the directory is and I can send you an 
>>> exact example to past into Terminal. Also remember that when typing you 
>>> can tab to have it complete. Fore example, once you type VL you can 
>>> probably tab and it will complete VLC.app but there will be a slash 
>>> after that and no space so you would have to space be

FS:mint condition 16gb Apple iPad mini with two high end cases...

2015-01-11 Thread Cameron Strife

Hi everybody. Please write me off list to make an offer...

I'm selling my mint condition 16gb Apple iPad mini which will include
two high end cases, lightning cable, charging cube, and original box.

The iPad has no wear and no issues and has always been kept in a case.
The battery seems to last forever! I will do a factory reset and fresh
install of iOS 8 before shipping... The two cases I am including are
two genuine lifeproof cases. One has a built in screen protector and
the other does not. They are both in mint condition and are both
waterproof and dustproof etc. The two cases alone were over $150!
(They were the Nuud and the Fre.)

Drop me a message to make an offer. Pay pal is preferred. I always
ship with tracking and full insurance.

Thanks,

Cameron.

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something to show battery status?

2015-01-11 Thread deedra waters

I’m wondering if anyone has a way to do something like right option b to show 
battery status? I get 12 hours of battery life i know that, but i’d like to be 
able to check it now and then rather then going to the menu that shows time and 
such i’d rather use a keystroke.
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Re: the graphicsless paradigm

2015-01-11 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn

Microsoft UIA also has properties associated with a specific control.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2015, at 11:08 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi Devin,
> 
> This is exactly how the program is structured. In trees. Theres nothing new 
> there. Nothing changes to the way you handle things. It’s just graphicsless. 
> the actions and moving are the same.
> 
> And I don’t think it’s about because it didn’t work then, it won’t now. 
> Different techniques are applied now, the major players, jaws, nvda and voice 
> over are tree structures. They all take from the lower layers of the 
> software, down to almost machine code. So the control is enormous. If in 
> sighted mode, its a tree with mathematical or algebraic sets, it’s obviously 
> the same with voice over except that you have a range of user interface 
> elements like buttons etc which have particular properties. Do you need a 
> graphic for that? No, just the boundaries of the object in space, which is 
> taken care of by the coco framework.
> 
> Anyway, this is developer stuff I should find a developer group.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On 7/01/2015, at 11:21 am, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Well that's the main problem, that there is rarely any programming group 
>> interested in that. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If people want to do an open source solution of what have been outlined 
>>> here, go for it. I would be very interested to see if anyone would take it 
>>> up. A lot of work. There was a screen reader on the windows which used a 
>>> tree view like structure to navigate the GUI. It was a German product from 
>>> memory. Don’t know if it still exists and it was removing the visual 
>>> aspects away from the vision impaired person. A very interesting concept.
>>> 
>>> The Orca people haven’t gone in this direction either. This would be one 
>>> environment the described concept could be tested in to see if it could be 
>>> achieved.
>>> 
>>> I don’t have the programming skills to help here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sean 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 7 Jan 2015, at 12:44 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:
 
 Hi Shawn,
 
 Thanks for your input. 
 
 Sometimes it's good to see where this corporate behaviour is going. Are 
 you hitting the spot completely? Am I right? Who cares? Essentially 
 there's an interest, and there is creating the environment to facilitate 
 the idea.
 
 
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> On 6/01/2015, at 8:10 pm, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> I have to go against the grain. If you think Apple or any other vendor is 
> going to spend time on building a non-graphical environment as outlined 
> on this thread. It will not occur due to no market.  We are .5% of the 
> market thus there is no business requirement for them and they will not 
> get their ROI.
> 
> The CLI on the Mac does provide text base applications if you like to 
> learn. people like things to be easy, thus why we have GUI now.
> 
> Sean 
>> On 3 Jan 2015, at 5:19 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Where and when is the nFB? I heard a few conflicting ideas about the 
>> organisation. But I would take the momentum to engage the voice.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>> Mob: +612102277190
>> Skype: Shainobi1
>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/01/2015, at 12:59 pm, Joanne Chua  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What about if we start asking Apple to make some products that is
>>> specificly for voiceover, and don't worry about GPU at all hey? Won't
>>> it be great? Maybe, someone might want to bring this up on this year
>>> NFB convention?
>>> 
 On 02/01/2015, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 What I'm trying to induce here is the sense that no matter the graphic
 outline, everything starts graphicsless and elements are pulled out of 
 the
 lower layers, such as kernel, login daemons etc. The graphics layer 
 itself
 cannot be omitted since it is also the core of a lot of coco frameworks
 which voice over relies on.
 
 However, when I say graphcsless, I mean to place to a minimum all of 
 the
 animations and flash and graphics that appear. I would easily 
 visualise a UI
 which borders, buttons and everything else are just placeholders with 
 plain
 black and borders that don't load images.

Re: Is Setting Styles Fixed in Latest Pages? Now that AppleScript has been extended again. What are other things you were interested in having AppleScript do to make your life easier?

2015-01-11 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> VO users have always been able to set paragraph styles in Pages, the problem 
> is setting short cuts and this is still broken in the latest release.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 8 Jan 2015, at 23:56, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I don't use Pages much, but I like to keep up on where it is compared to 
>> other productivity solutions. So, did the update released today (Jan 08, 
>> 2015) fix the problem where VO users couldn't set styles without resorting 
>> to mouse tricks? Are there any other VO improvements?
>> 
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>> Alex Hall
>> mehg...@icloud.com
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Any accessible app for playing chess?

2015-01-11 Thread Gabriele Battaglia

Hi All.
I just wonder if anybody knows some accessible app to play chess under MAC OS.
I need something more advanced of the onboard Chess.app.
Chess.app is ok just to play but it lacs of some main features useful for those 
who study chess like: openings book, analysis, editing chessboard to play game 
only for certain positions, possibility to include stronger chess engines like 
Houdini or Crafty.
Moreover, Chess.app writes an incorrect PGN format which doesn’t include some 
standard symbol like “=“ and others.

Thanks.
Gabriel.
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Namasté!
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Re: Unwanted List traffic

2015-01-11 Thread Jonathan C Cohn

This is a question for the moderators and not the list. It is best for all if 
you don’t reply to these items and get them pushed back onto the list. 

In all likelihood the moderators quietly took care of this abuse.

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Re: Fujitsu ScanSnap | Accessibility of ScanSnap Manager with VoiceOver

2015-01-11 Thread Jonathan C Cohn

Hmm, can somebody elaborate on the performance of SnapScan with Abby in terms 
of pages per a minute? 

I have found that the TWAIN drivers for flat bed scanners seem to limit one to 
3 minutes for 1 page. I seem to remember that the SnapScan’s can work  with 10 
pages a minute that could go a long way to me helping to clean out 30 years of 
file cabinets in the house, and making documents more useful directly for me.

Thanks,
Jonathan
 the 
> On Dec 4, 2014, at 23:26, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> Anders,
> I’m not sure I understand your question. The ScanSnap is a scanner. It scans 
> physical documents and turns them into digital files. I hope that answers 
> your question.
> 
> Amilio,
> Thanks for that list of the unlabelled buttons.
> To have ABBYY FineReader automatically OCR your scanned documents do the 
> following:
> Open ScanSnap Manager and press command-S for settings;
> Uncheck use quick menu;
> Under profile, select “Scan to Folder” from the pop up menu;
> Under application, choose “ABBYY Scan to Searchable PDF” from the pop up menu;
> You can then adjust the ABBYY application settings as desired, configuring 
> things such as recognition languages, having ABBYY always convert files to 
> searchable PDFs, use the source file name as the file name, automatically 
> open the converted files once conversion is complete, automatically delete 
> the original file and quit the application once conversion is complete, 
> etcetera.
> 
> I’ve developed a Hazel rule which will automatically convert files dropped 
> into a particular folder into searchable PDFs using FineReader OCR Pro.
> 
> Any questions feel free to get in touch. Would be great to discuss and 
> compare ScanSnap work flows.
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Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D

2015-01-11 Thread Alex Hall

Well, let us know when you have a library ready to test out. I'd very much 
rather use Swift, so PyObjC isn't really going to work. As I said, the ideal 
would be a Swift or C/C++ library that any other language could access. You 
said that all languages have the same basics, and you're certainly right about 
that, but porting code I don't understand is a recipe for disaster.  
Keep us updated.
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:
> 
> The reason why I like js is because recently apple has also adopted it for 
> its scripting capabilities. It's much better suited than using a one 
> application script language such as for jaws. With js, all UI elements in the 
> entire system are accessible. And other js scripts can be plugged together to 
> enhance the experience even within the OS. I've tested this, since 2 years 
> ago, with GUI manipulations, UI element browsers, axaccessibility trees, etc. 
> It's totally feasable. In Js at least, I have a functioning 3D setup. I just 
> need to port the controls into js and pair the process with the sound API. 
> And avoid a crap load of non desired announcements and replace it with sounds 
> that go around me.
> 
> Pair this with swift and you're still having performance apps working, and 
> essentially accessible to everyone too. With the dB power that web provides. 
> 
> Yuma Antoine Decaux
> "Light has no value without darkness"
> Mob: +612102277190
> Skype: Shainobi1
> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/01/2015, at 12:21 am, Devin Prater > > wrote:
>> 
>> I think web apps would be wonderful as long as speech is also included or 
>> sent to the os to process. I would although like to have a world to ecplore 
>> that is a regular app on iOS. Mine craft anyone?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>>> As before, I don't follow all of this. Computer science uses math, but 
>>> nothing like this, and I didn't need anything past calculus 1. Still, I'd 
>>> like  to see the API, and (most importantly) to know if I can use all this 
>>> in an iOS or Mac app written in Swift or Objective-C. If everything is 
>>> condensed to a C or C++ library, I don't see why such integration couldn't 
>>> happen, but I have no idea if the languages you're using would be 
>>> compatible. I realize you are focused on web-based apps at the moment, so 
>>> we might be on two different wavelengths here.
 On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux >>> > wrote:

 Hi Alex,

 I have the Js web audio API classes ready but reading the openal.audio 
 python module, I think I can save a lot of processes and do everything in 
 one language (save xml and lua for the world of warcraft interface)

 http://pythonhosted.org/PyAL/audio.html#module-openal.audio 

 To answer your question about the buffer channels.

 The buffer max is 16 megs. a lot of sounds can be shrunk, blended and 
 refactored using fourrier's transforms. Also, by applying buffer queuing 
 algorithms such that active sound sources and their positional information 
 can be truncated into the right bytesize, considering that most or all of 
 our computers are intel x86, and a lot of us using 64-bit. with 16 buffer 
 channels, we have approximately 256 megs of sound clips and generated 
 waveforms (on the fly) that can be queued using parallel algorithms. I was 
 thinking of using the select() module for this purpose which listens and 
 automatically fills the queue which can then be passed to each individual 
 buffers.

 By quick calculation, this is how I see it:
 each observer (character in the game) has three areas (long, med, short). 
 Anything long range dithers anyway in the perceptive field, so they can be 
 blended through the queue and played back as a single long range pass, or 
 pre recorded. Making a simulation first then recording can also work. Mid 
 range has more definition but channel size restricted to 5 sources. The 
 rest of the 10 channels can be various sources around the proximity of the 
 player. I can even hypothesise a cheat which filters the types of sounds 
 we want to hear.

 In regards to emulating higher channel counts, I think it will have to be 
 again math based. Say you have a willow tree in front of you. there are 
 about 35 odd branches, each with smaller branches and their leaves. clumps 
 of leaves with small rustle signatures (this is just about function 
 generation into the buffer) can be blended before being sent to the 
 buffer. Kind of a premix before getting out there in the world. Again, 
 bijectivity is super important to trace back and edit th

Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D

The reason why I like js is because recently apple has also adopted it for its 
scripting capabilities. It's much better suited than using a one application 
script language such as for jaws. With js, all UI elements in the entire system 
are accessible. And other js scripts can be plugged together to enhance the 
experience even within the OS. I've tested this, since 2 years ago, with GUI 
manipulations, UI element browsers, axaccessibility trees, etc. It's totally 
feasable. In Js at least, I have a functioning 3D setup. I just need to port 
the controls into js and pair the process with the sound API. And avoid a crap 
load of non desired announcements and replace it with sounds that go around me.

Pair this with swift and you're still having performance apps working, and 
essentially accessible to everyone too. With the dB power that web provides. 

Yuma Antoine Decaux
"Light has no value without darkness"
Mob: +612102277190
Skype: Shainobi1
twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7




> On 12/01/2015, at 12:21 am, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> I think web apps would be wonderful as long as speech is also included or 
> sent to the os to process. I would although like to have a world to ecplore 
> that is a regular app on iOS. Mine craft anyone?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
>> As before, I don't follow all of this. Computer science uses math, but 
>> nothing like this, and I didn't need anything past calculus 1. Still, I'd 
>> like  to see the API, and (most importantly) to know if I can use all this 
>> in an iOS or Mac app written in Swift or Objective-C. If everything is 
>> condensed to a C or C++ library, I don't see why such integration couldn't 
>> happen, but I have no idea if the languages you're using would be 
>> compatible. I realize you are focused on web-based apps at the moment, so we 
>> might be on two different wavelengths here.
>>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> I have the Js web audio API classes ready but reading the openal.audio 
>>> python module, I think I can save a lot of processes and do everything in 
>>> one language (save xml and lua for the world of warcraft interface)
>>> 
>>> http://pythonhosted.org/PyAL/audio.html#module-openal.audio 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> To answer your question about the buffer channels.
>>> 
>>> The buffer max is 16 megs. a lot of sounds can be shrunk, blended and 
>>> refactored using fourrier's transforms. Also, by applying buffer queuing 
>>> algorithms such that active sound sources and their positional information 
>>> can be truncated into the right bytesize, considering that most or all of 
>>> our computers are intel x86, and a lot of us using 64-bit. with 16 buffer 
>>> channels, we have approximately 256 megs of sound clips and generated 
>>> waveforms (on the fly) that can be queued using parallel algorithms. I was 
>>> thinking of using the select() module for this purpose which listens and 
>>> automatically fills the queue which can then be passed to each individual 
>>> buffers.
>>> 
>>> By quick calculation, this is how I see it:
>>> each observer (character in the game) has three areas (long, med, short). 
>>> Anything long range dithers anyway in the perceptive field, so they can be 
>>> blended through the queue and played back as a single long range pass, or 
>>> pre recorded. Making a simulation first then recording can also work. Mid 
>>> range has more definition but channel size restricted to 5 sources. The 
>>> rest of the 10 channels can be various sources around the proximity of the 
>>> player. I can even hypothesise a cheat which filters the types of sounds we 
>>> want to hear.
>>> 
>>> In regards to emulating higher channel counts, I think it will have to be 
>>> again math based. Say you have a willow tree in front of you. there are 
>>> about 35 odd branches, each with smaller branches and their leaves. clumps 
>>> of leaves with small rustle signatures (this is just about function 
>>> generation into the buffer) can be blended before being sent to the buffer. 
>>> Kind of a premix before getting out there in the world. Again, bijectivity 
>>> is super important to trace back and edit the raw as it comes. using the 
>>> select module allows for automatic buffer dispatch for the first available 
>>> one, since each buffer block say is the raw data and its 
>>> positional/volume/others information. 
>>> 
>>> I don't think this will be much of a problem though it shows a technical 
>>> restriction.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>>> Mob: +612102277190
>>> Skype: Shainobi1
>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 11/01/2015, at 2:37 pm, Alex Hall >>> > wrote:

Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D

Mathematics is the base language. The rest is inflexion.

I don't see a reason why it cannot be converted. The pyobjc bridge allows for 
this. You're used to a MVC design pattern I suppose, with Model View Control. 
Then take all the python stuff as model data and pyobjc does the interface and 
control through x-code. I have looked at swift and I like the language so far. 
I have started with a web based set of languages because they are so efficient 
server side, and world of warcraft is a server side platform. I didn't see a 
reason to take all my time constructing C classes when some python modules are 
based in c anyway. Do you see where I'm heading at? Every language uses the 
same base concepts. They just differ in the writing of it. I know c language 
quite a little now that I have completed two courses using it, but so far I see 
better results and especially, faster ones using the expansive python module 
repository and finding everything or every component I need to make this happen.

I understand that you have stayed at high school calculus, but I can't push 
enough the difference your code will experience when you delve into higher 
maths.

In any case, I'm continuing this until I get a good solid working demo. 

Cheers,


Yuma Antoine Decaux
"Light has no value without darkness"
Mob: +612102277190
Skype: Shainobi1
twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7




> On 12/01/2015, at 12:10 am, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> As before, I don't follow all of this. Computer science uses math, but 
> nothing like this, and I didn't need anything past calculus 1. Still, I'd 
> like  to see the API, and (most importantly) to know if I can use all this in 
> an iOS or Mac app written in Swift or Objective-C. If everything is condensed 
> to a C or C++ library, I don't see why such integration couldn't happen, but 
> I have no idea if the languages you're using would be compatible. I realize 
> you are focused on web-based apps at the moment, so we might be on two 
> different wavelengths here.
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> I have the Js web audio API classes ready but reading the openal.audio 
>> python module, I think I can save a lot of processes and do everything in 
>> one language (save xml and lua for the world of warcraft interface)
>> 
>> http://pythonhosted.org/PyAL/audio.html#module-openal.audio 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To answer your question about the buffer channels.
>> 
>> The buffer max is 16 megs. a lot of sounds can be shrunk, blended and 
>> refactored using fourrier's transforms. Also, by applying buffer queuing 
>> algorithms such that active sound sources and their positional information 
>> can be truncated into the right bytesize, considering that most or all of 
>> our computers are intel x86, and a lot of us using 64-bit. with 16 buffer 
>> channels, we have approximately 256 megs of sound clips and generated 
>> waveforms (on the fly) that can be queued using parallel algorithms. I was 
>> thinking of using the select() module for this purpose which listens and 
>> automatically fills the queue which can then be passed to each individual 
>> buffers.
>> 
>> By quick calculation, this is how I see it:
>> each observer (character in the game) has three areas (long, med, short). 
>> Anything long range dithers anyway in the perceptive field, so they can be 
>> blended through the queue and played back as a single long range pass, or 
>> pre recorded. Making a simulation first then recording can also work. Mid 
>> range has more definition but channel size restricted to 5 sources. The rest 
>> of the 10 channels can be various sources around the proximity of the 
>> player. I can even hypothesise a cheat which filters the types of sounds we 
>> want to hear.
>> 
>> In regards to emulating higher channel counts, I think it will have to be 
>> again math based. Say you have a willow tree in front of you. there are 
>> about 35 odd branches, each with smaller branches and their leaves. clumps 
>> of leaves with small rustle signatures (this is just about function 
>> generation into the buffer) can be blended before being sent to the buffer. 
>> Kind of a premix before getting out there in the world. Again, bijectivity 
>> is super important to trace back and edit the raw as it comes. using the 
>> select module allows for automatic buffer dispatch for the first available 
>> one, since each buffer block say is the raw data and its 
>> positional/volume/others information. 
>> 
>> I don't think this will be much of a problem though it shows a technical 
>> restriction.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>> Mob: +612102277190
>> Skype: Shainobi1
>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/01/2015, at 2:37 pm, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>

Re: Buying mp3 albums from amazon and downloading to the mac

2015-01-11 Thread erik burggraaf

So, if I check the box and hit the button it will install the accessible 
downloader?

Best,

Erik Burggraaf



On Jan 11, 2015, at 7:15 AM, David Griffith  wrote:

> I just went to look and it still available.
> They do not want you to use it and try to direct you to the Amazon Music app 
> as they want to bombard you with adverts but just continue down the page and 
> they will reluctantly point you  to the page to download the Amazon Mp3 
> Downloader.
> 
> Specifically I found the download page on the UK site to download it at 
> 
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/dmusic/help/amd-bm.html?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
>> On 11 Jan 2015, at 15:01, denise avant  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I have attempted to find the accessible version of the amazon mp3 downloader 
>> through a google search. The search seems to be showing that it does not 
>> exist anymore. Have I overlooked something?
>> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Buying mp3 albums from amazon and downloading to the mac
>>> From: David Griffith 
>>> Date: November 27, 2014 at 5:47:49 AM CST
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> You need  to use not   the inaccessible Amazon app but instead install the 
>>> alternative Amazon Music Downloader.
>>> Generally in checking out you need to reject the option to use the Amazon 
>>> app and select the option which says something like no thanks use the 
>>> Amazon Music Downloader.
>>> 
>>> David Griffith 
 On 27 Nov 2014, at 05:06, denise avant  wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 I have bought an album from Amazon music. I downloaded the amazon app for 
 the mac, but cannot seem to download the album to my computer, which is a 
 mac with using Yosemite. Can anyone provide assistance? If I cannot use 
 the Amazon app on the computer, would it be better to download it to the 
 iphone or ipad using the Amazon player and then it to my computer?
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Re: Apple script doesn't work

2015-01-11 Thread Jonathan C Cohn

There is actually an option for a double click with the VO “mouse cursor” 
object 

I tested the below and it seems to work for me.
tell commander


perform command "move mouse pointer to voiceover cursor"
delay 1

end tell
output mouse summary (*
Above output satement should be what control+option+F5 outputs.
*)
tell mouse cursor
 click twice
 End Tell 

The methods available for the mouse cursor are:
click (once,twice,thrice) with (left, button right) button)
press
release

The mouse cursor object also has a property that I believe is read only called 
location. Though there are other apple script libraries that allow you to 
manipulate the mouse.
HTH

Jonathan Cohn
 
 



> On Jan 10, 2015, at 04:27, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I tried to extend an Apple Script from performing a cingle left mouse click 
> to perform a double left mouse click. It does perform the double mouse click 
> as far as I can tell it from my ears. Unfortunately it doesn’t work lik a 
> double click.
> Example: If I go to a file, route the mouse cursor there manually by pressing 
> VO + CMD + F5, press then VO + Shift + Space twice, it works fine to open the 
> file.
> But if I use the following script it sounds as if it performs a double mouse 
> click but the file doesn't open. Here’s the script:
> 
> tell application "VoiceOver"
>   tell commander
>   perform command "move mouse pointer to voiceover cursor"
>   delay 1
>   perform command "click mouse"
>   delay 0.3
>   perform command "click mouse"
>   end tell -- commander
> end tell — VoiceOver
> 
> So, does anybody sees why the script doesn’t work the way I want it to?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: Keeping a journal, both on Mac and iPhone?

2015-01-11 Thread Christina C.

Check out macJournal. I cannot tell you how accessible the mac version is 
because I only have a little bit of experience with it. The little bit of 
experience is so far promising. I have not used the iPhone version yet. It’s 
really more about a lack of time to learn to set everything up in order to sync 
across devices. I think you can choose to sync via drop box or through 
macJournal but I do not know how to do either and do not know if the iPhone 
version is accessible.  I believe the macJournal for Mac has a downloadable 
trial for free on the website not through the app store.

Also, I know you can create multiple Journals but I don’t know about nested 
journals. I don’t know what that is and how in the world you are doing that 
with notes. :)

Good Luck,
Christina
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> For the past two years or so, I have been keeping sort of a journal on my 
> Mac, using the Notes app.  The reason this works for me is that I can also 
> add notes from my iPhone, and they will appear on my Mac.  I have amassed 
> thousands of notes and don’t know how I will ever import all of them into a 
> journal.
> 
> Is there an accessible app, both for the Mac and the iPhone that would allow 
> me to keep my journals?  I keep three different kinds of journals, so perhaps 
> a program allowing for “nested journals” would be the ticket.
> 
> The program needs to work seamlessly between the Mac and the iPhone and, of 
> course, it needs to work on both platforms with VoiceOver.
> 
> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mike
> 
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Unwanted List traffic

2015-01-11 Thread Stan ZA

Hi Every1,
On the 4 January 2015, I submitted a message "Hijacking?", which I have not yet 
seen on the list.
I created a new message then, instead of just replying,  as I did not think it 
prudent, nor did I wish to participate in spreading what I considered unwanted 
information on this List.
Now with hindsight, I guess I should not have used "hijacking", as the subject.
Hi Every1,
Is this a "hi-jacking" or what?, or am I really missing out, BIG TIME?
Is there some way of "blocking" this ?

""John Thompson 
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Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Where To Buy Pentobarbital""???

Thanks

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Re: Buying mp3 albums from amazon and downloading to the mac

2015-01-11 Thread David Griffith

I just went to look and it still available.
They do not want you to use it and try to direct you to the Amazon Music app as 
they want to bombard you with adverts but just continue down the page and they 
will reluctantly point you  to the page to download the Amazon Mp3 Downloader.

Specifically I found the download page on the UK site to download it at 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/dmusic/help/amd-bm.html?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
> On 11 Jan 2015, at 15:01, denise avant  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I have attempted to find the accessible version of the amazon mp3 downloader 
> through a google search. The search seems to be showing that it does not 
> exist anymore. Have I overlooked something?
> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Buying mp3 albums from amazon and downloading to the mac
>> From: David Griffith mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com>>
>> Date: November 27, 2014 at 5:47:49 AM CST
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> 
>> You need  to use not   the inaccessible Amazon app but instead install the 
>> alternative Amazon Music Downloader.
>> Generally in checking out you need to reject the option to use the Amazon 
>> app and select the option which says something like no thanks use the Amazon 
>> Music Downloader.
>> 
>> David Griffith 
>>> On 27 Nov 2014, at 05:06, denise avant >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I have bought an album from Amazon music. I downloaded the amazon app for 
>>> the mac, but cannot seem to download the album to my computer, which is a 
>>> mac with using Yosemite. Can anyone provide assistance? If I cannot use the 
>>> Amazon app on the computer, would it be better to download it to the iphone 
>>> or ipad using the Amazon player and then it to my computer?
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: quicknav keystroke?

2015-01-11 Thread The Believer

   You are not alone. I had to figure this out this past weekend. Its 
left and right arrows together, as a toggle.


From The Believer. . .
 . . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 1/11/2015 1:10 AM, deedra waters wrote:

I think i’m missing something here so i’ll ask. Is there a keystroke for 
turning quicknav on and off? some how i end up turning it on by accident then 
have to go through the commands help menue to turn the thing off.


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Fwd: Buying mp3 albums from amazon and downloading to the mac

2015-01-11 Thread denise avant

Hello all,
I have attempted to find the accessible version of the amazon mp3 downloader 
through a google search. The search seems to be showing that it does not exist 
anymore. Have I overlooked something?
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> Subject: Re: Buying mp3 albums from amazon and downloading to the mac
> From: David Griffith 
> Date: November 27, 2014 at 5:47:49 AM CST
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> You need  to use not   the inaccessible Amazon app but instead install the 
> alternative Amazon Music Downloader.
> Generally in checking out you need to reject the option to use the Amazon app 
> and select the option which says something like no thanks use the Amazon 
> Music Downloader.
> 
> David Griffith 
>> On 27 Nov 2014, at 05:06, denise avant  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I have bought an album from Amazon music. I downloaded the amazon app for 
>> the mac, but cannot seem to download the album to my computer, which is a 
>> mac with using Yosemite. Can anyone provide assistance? If I cannot use the 
>> Amazon app on the computer, would it be better to download it to the iphone 
>> or ipad using the Amazon player and then it to my computer?
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D

2015-01-11 Thread Devin Prater

I think web apps would be wonderful as long as speech is also included or sent 
to the os to process. I would although like to have a world to ecplore that is 
a regular app on iOS. Mine craft anyone?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> As before, I don't follow all of this. Computer science uses math, but 
> nothing like this, and I didn't need anything past calculus 1. Still, I'd 
> like  to see the API, and (most importantly) to know if I can use all this in 
> an iOS or Mac app written in Swift or Objective-C. If everything is condensed 
> to a C or C++ library, I don't see why such integration couldn't happen, but 
> I have no idea if the languages you're using would be compatible. I realize 
> you are focused on web-based apps at the moment, so we might be on two 
> different wavelengths here.
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> I have the Js web audio API classes ready but reading the openal.audio 
>> python module, I think I can save a lot of processes and do everything in 
>> one language (save xml and lua for the world of warcraft interface)
>> 
>> http://pythonhosted.org/PyAL/audio.html#module-openal.audio
>> 
>> 
>> To answer your question about the buffer channels.
>> 
>> The buffer max is 16 megs. a lot of sounds can be shrunk, blended and 
>> refactored using fourrier's transforms. Also, by applying buffer queuing 
>> algorithms such that active sound sources and their positional information 
>> can be truncated into the right bytesize, considering that most or all of 
>> our computers are intel x86, and a lot of us using 64-bit. with 16 buffer 
>> channels, we have approximately 256 megs of sound clips and generated 
>> waveforms (on the fly) that can be queued using parallel algorithms. I was 
>> thinking of using the select() module for this purpose which listens and 
>> automatically fills the queue which can then be passed to each individual 
>> buffers.
>> 
>> By quick calculation, this is how I see it:
>> each observer (character in the game) has three areas (long, med, short). 
>> Anything long range dithers anyway in the perceptive field, so they can be 
>> blended through the queue and played back as a single long range pass, or 
>> pre recorded. Making a simulation first then recording can also work. Mid 
>> range has more definition but channel size restricted to 5 sources. The rest 
>> of the 10 channels can be various sources around the proximity of the 
>> player. I can even hypothesise a cheat which filters the types of sounds we 
>> want to hear.
>> 
>> In regards to emulating higher channel counts, I think it will have to be 
>> again math based. Say you have a willow tree in front of you. there are 
>> about 35 odd branches, each with smaller branches and their leaves. clumps 
>> of leaves with small rustle signatures (this is just about function 
>> generation into the buffer) can be blended before being sent to the buffer. 
>> Kind of a premix before getting out there in the world. Again, bijectivity 
>> is super important to trace back and edit the raw as it comes. using the 
>> select module allows for automatic buffer dispatch for the first available 
>> one, since each buffer block say is the raw data and its 
>> positional/volume/others information. 
>> 
>> I don't think this will be much of a problem though it shows a technical 
>> restriction.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>> Mob: +612102277190
>> Skype: Shainobi1
>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/01/2015, at 2:37 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I won't pretend to understand all of this. My degree is computer science, 
>>> not higher mathematics or engineering. Still, I'm intrigued, and would love 
>>> to hear a practical example. To keep things on topic, would this library be 
>>> usable from a Swift or Objective-C app for iOS or OS X? If so, can you give 
>>> a real-world example of how? I understand representing things as sounds, 
>>> but how would it handle in a real app? That is, what about loading/managing 
>>> sound buffers (you can only have 16 at a time in OpenAL), handling stereo 
>>> sound samples, generating sounds on the fly instead of relying on recorded 
>>> audio, applying real-time filters or effects, managing occlusions and 
>>> distance roll-offs, that kind of thing? Is there a mapping engine, where 
>>> the programmer can lay out the "world" in some kind of XML or JSON format? 
>>> Have I missed the point entirely?
 On Jan 10, 2015, at 10:31 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux  
 wrote:
 
 I’ll get into more detail on the 3D sound part.
 
 It uses a node system, as mentioned earlier, to plug, unplug, blend or 
 ratio fit one or more nodes t=which can be filters, user set paremeters or 
 daisy chained hierarchies of sound buffers. So imagine you call a tree 
 instance from my library. It uses phi and pi

Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D

2015-01-11 Thread Alex Hall

As before, I don't follow all of this. Computer science uses math, but nothing 
like this, and I didn't need anything past calculus 1. Still, I'd like  to see 
the API, and (most importantly) to know if I can use all this in an iOS or Mac 
app written in Swift or Objective-C. If everything is condensed to a C or C++ 
library, I don't see why such integration couldn't happen, but I have no idea 
if the languages you're using would be compatible. I realize you are focused on 
web-based apps at the moment, so we might be on two different wavelengths here.
> On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> I have the Js web audio API classes ready but reading the openal.audio python 
> module, I think I can save a lot of processes and do everything in one 
> language (save xml and lua for the world of warcraft interface)
> 
> http://pythonhosted.org/PyAL/audio.html#module-openal.audio 
> 
> 
> 
> To answer your question about the buffer channels.
> 
> The buffer max is 16 megs. a lot of sounds can be shrunk, blended and 
> refactored using fourrier's transforms. Also, by applying buffer queuing 
> algorithms such that active sound sources and their positional information 
> can be truncated into the right bytesize, considering that most or all of our 
> computers are intel x86, and a lot of us using 64-bit. with 16 buffer 
> channels, we have approximately 256 megs of sound clips and generated 
> waveforms (on the fly) that can be queued using parallel algorithms. I was 
> thinking of using the select() module for this purpose which listens and 
> automatically fills the queue which can then be passed to each individual 
> buffers.
> 
> By quick calculation, this is how I see it:
> each observer (character in the game) has three areas (long, med, short). 
> Anything long range dithers anyway in the perceptive field, so they can be 
> blended through the queue and played back as a single long range pass, or pre 
> recorded. Making a simulation first then recording can also work. Mid range 
> has more definition but channel size restricted to 5 sources. The rest of the 
> 10 channels can be various sources around the proximity of the player. I can 
> even hypothesise a cheat which filters the types of sounds we want to hear.
> 
> In regards to emulating higher channel counts, I think it will have to be 
> again math based. Say you have a willow tree in front of you. there are about 
> 35 odd branches, each with smaller branches and their leaves. clumps of 
> leaves with small rustle signatures (this is just about function generation 
> into the buffer) can be blended before being sent to the buffer. Kind of a 
> premix before getting out there in the world. Again, bijectivity is super 
> important to trace back and edit the raw as it comes. using the select module 
> allows for automatic buffer dispatch for the first available one, since each 
> buffer block say is the raw data and its positional/volume/others 
> information. 
> 
> I don't think this will be much of a problem though it shows a technical 
> restriction.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yuma Antoine Decaux
> "Light has no value without darkness"
> Mob: +612102277190
> Skype: Shainobi1
> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/01/2015, at 2:37 pm, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> I won't pretend to understand all of this. My degree is computer science, 
>> not higher mathematics or engineering. Still, I'm intrigued, and would love 
>> to hear a practical example. To keep things on topic, would this library be 
>> usable from a Swift or Objective-C app for iOS or OS X? If so, can you give 
>> a real-world example of how? I understand representing things as sounds, but 
>> how would it handle in a real app? That is, what about loading/managing 
>> sound buffers (you can only have 16 at a time in OpenAL), handling stereo 
>> sound samples, generating sounds on the fly instead of relying on recorded 
>> audio, applying real-time filters or effects, managing occlusions and 
>> distance roll-offs, that kind of thing? Is there a mapping engine, where the 
>> programmer can lay out the "world" in some kind of XML or JSON format? Have 
>> I missed the point entirely?
>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 10:31 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ll get into more detail on the 3D sound part.
>>> 
>>> It uses a node system, as mentioned earlier, to plug, unplug, blend or 
>>> ratio fit one or more nodes t=which can be filters, user set paremeters or 
>>> daisy chained hierarchies of sound buffers. So imagine you call a tree 
>>> instance from my library. It uses phi and pi to generate the fractal links 
>>> down to the leaf node. Each leaf node has physical properties which follow 
>>> parent nodes with a coefficient, or a scalar value spread along the entire 
>>> tree. Each node is a sound buf

Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D

Hi Alex,

I have the Js web audio API classes ready but reading the openal.audio python 
module, I think I can save a lot of processes and do everything in one language 
(save xml and lua for the world of warcraft interface)

http://pythonhosted.org/PyAL/audio.html#module-openal.audio

To answer your question about the buffer channels.

The buffer max is 16 megs. a lot of sounds can be shrunk, blended and 
refactored using fourrier's transforms. Also, by applying buffer queuing 
algorithms such that active sound sources and their positional information can 
be truncated into the right bytesize, considering that most or all of our 
computers are intel x86, and a lot of us using 64-bit. with 16 buffer channels, 
we have approximately 256 megs of sound clips and generated waveforms (on the 
fly) that can be queued using parallel algorithms. I was thinking of using the 
select() module for this purpose which listens and automatically fills the 
queue which can then be passed to each individual buffers.

By quick calculation, this is how I see it:
each observer (character in the game) has three areas (long, med, short). 
Anything long range dithers anyway in the perceptive field, so they can be 
blended through the queue and played back as a single long range pass, or pre 
recorded. Making a simulation first then recording can also work. Mid range has 
more definition but channel size restricted to 5 sources. The rest of the 10 
channels can be various sources around the proximity of the player. I can even 
hypothesise a cheat which filters the types of sounds we want to hear.

In regards to emulating higher channel counts, I think it will have to be again 
math based. Say you have a willow tree in front of you. there are about 35 odd 
branches, each with smaller branches and their leaves. clumps of leaves with 
small rustle signatures (this is just about function generation into the 
buffer) can be blended before being sent to the buffer. Kind of a premix before 
getting out there in the world. Again, bijectivity is super important to trace 
back and edit the raw as it comes. using the select module allows for automatic 
buffer dispatch for the first available one, since each buffer block say is the 
raw data and its positional/volume/others information. 

I don't think this will be much of a problem though it shows a technical 
restriction.

Yuma Antoine Decaux
"Light has no value without darkness"
Mob: +612102277190
Skype: Shainobi1
twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7

> On 11/01/2015, at 2:37 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I won't pretend to understand all of this. My degree is computer science, not 
> higher mathematics or engineering. Still, I'm intrigued, and would love to 
> hear a practical example. To keep things on topic, would this library be 
> usable from a Swift or Objective-C app for iOS or OS X? If so, can you give a 
> real-world example of how? I understand representing things as sounds, but 
> how would it handle in a real app? That is, what about loading/managing sound 
> buffers (you can only have 16 at a time in OpenAL), handling stereo sound 
> samples, generating sounds on the fly instead of relying on recorded audio, 
> applying real-time filters or effects, managing occlusions and distance 
> roll-offs, that kind of thing? Is there a mapping engine, where the 
> programmer can lay out the "world" in some kind of XML or JSON format? Have I 
> missed the point entirely?
>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 10:31 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’ll get into more detail on the 3D sound part.
>> 
>> It uses a node system, as mentioned earlier, to plug, unplug, blend or ratio 
>> fit one or more nodes t=which can be filters, user set paremeters or daisy 
>> chained hierarchies of sound buffers. So imagine you call a tree instance 
>> from my library. It uses phi and pi to generate the fractal links down to 
>> the leaf node. Each leaf node has physical properties which follow parent 
>> nodes with a coefficient, or a scalar value spread along the entire tree. 
>> Each node is a sound buffer or a set of sound buffers. Collision detection 
>> is made via matrix identification and eigan matrices. Now set a wind 
>> particle (full of bounding boxes) object that traverses the tree. Each 
>> collision triggers the sound of a rustle. in real 3D position relative to 
>> the user’s position.
>> 
>> Now take these tree structures and use a spherical shape (revolving the nGon 
>> I mentioned earlier around its y axis) and pass it through a deformer (which 
>> changes scalar values of the vectors within the sphere). This deformer can 
>> use a set of physics class objects such as inertia, parabolic deviations, 
>> swirls, you name the geometric shape, there’s a math formulae for it. 
>> Consider that each vector or vertex is a bird in a school of birds. Apply an 
>> index to it, and use this other swarm algorithm I studied to create an array 
>> of bees, birds, fish, whate

Re: Uber podcast

2015-01-11 Thread Scott Berry

It doesn’t have to do with Uber.


> On Jan 11, 2015, at 6:03 AM, May  wrote:
> 
> Think I missed the original question. What problem are you having with Uber?
> 
> May and LD Luna Moon!
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:42 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately, it is a bit difficult to get the locations coret. I do not 
>> enter the destination if I am having trouble with the app, though admittedly 
>> I have not used it in a while. 
>> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
>> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
>> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
>> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
>> Email: blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles 
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; 
>> blindness is not what holds you back. 
>> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian 
>> proverb 
>> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, Uber is available. I used it twice. the firs time I screwed up the 
>>> destination and pickup but was able to work it out with the driver who 
>>> called me. 
>>> 
>>> the second trip I asked a sighted person there with me to input the info 
>>> and he had difficulty with it as well but got the right info in finally.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 9, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Faisal ali  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Have you verified if Uber is available in your location? I would do that 
 first.
> On Jan 9, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Jenine Stanley  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m searching a dopiest someone did out there regarding the Uber app for 
> iOS. 
> 
> I’m having some issues with entering pickup and destination and I know 
> it’s just some sequence I’m getting wrong and maybe this podcast explains 
> it. 
> 
> If anyone else knows what I’m talking about, please chime in. 
> 
> I’m opening the app and wanting to set up a pickup. It shows my address 
> where I am and below that is a “set pickup button. I double tap on it and 
> then go to a screen with just destination buttons and such. I double tap 
> and enter my destination and it ends up in the pickup field when the 
> driver calls me. 
> 
> Also, can you use Uber without a smart phone, setting up a trip from home 
> let’s say, via the web site with your mobile phone listed for calls? 
> 
> My husband doesn’t have, nor does he want a smart phone and I explained 
> that yes, you can probably schedule from the web site but then to get 
> back home from the place, well, I’d have to set that one up through my 
> phone.
> 
> so convenient and yet ...
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Re: Uber podcast

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Think I missed the original question. What problem are you having with Uber?

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> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:42 AM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
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> Unfortunately, it is a bit difficult to get the locations coret. I do not 
> enter the destination if I am having trouble with the app, though admittedly 
> I have not used it in a while. 
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>> On Jan 9, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
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>> Yes, Uber is available. I used it twice. the firs time I screwed up the 
>> destination and pickup but was able to work it out with the driver who 
>> called me. 
>> 
>> the second trip I asked a sighted person there with me to input the info and 
>> he had difficulty with it as well but got the right info in finally.
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>> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Faisal ali  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Have you verified if Uber is available in your location? I would do that 
>>> first.
 On Jan 9, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Jenine Stanley  
 wrote:
 
 I’m searching a dopiest someone did out there regarding the Uber app for 
 iOS. 
 
 I’m having some issues with entering pickup and destination and I know 
 it’s just some sequence I’m getting wrong and maybe this podcast explains 
 it. 
 
 If anyone else knows what I’m talking about, please chime in. 
 
 I’m opening the app and wanting to set up a pickup. It shows my address 
 where I am and below that is a “set pickup button. I double tap on it and 
 then go to a screen with just destination buttons and such. I double tap 
 and enter my destination and it ends up in the pickup field when the 
 driver calls me. 
 
 Also, can you use Uber without a smart phone, setting up a trip from home 
 let’s say, via the web site with your mobile phone listed for calls? 
 
 My husband doesn’t have, nor does he want a smart phone and I explained 
 that yes, you can probably schedule from the web site but then to get back 
 home from the place, well, I’d have to set that one up through my phone.
 
 so convenient and yet ...
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Alex,

You've given me a good problem to think over. I'll try to come with a solution 
after I'm done here 

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