Re: question about garage band

[CJ Daniel]

Ted,

Can you clarify as to whether you’re trying to input MIDI from your keyboard or 
actual audio?  

Thanks,

CJ


> On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:20 PM, Ted Phillips  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.  I have been trying to do some recording in Garage Band 10.1.  I can 
> open a project and set up the tracks, but seem to find controls for my midi 
> in and out for the keyboard.  No matter what I do, I can’t get input from the 
> keyboard back through the mac via my quad capture.  I am using a macbook pro 
> with a quad capture sound card and a Korg Kross.  Can someone please help?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Ted Phillips
> 
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Re: iOS 9 public beta to be released today – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home

[Devin Prater]

Well one thing I always do when trying betas is to go to the voiceover 
practice, voiceover-K on a keyboard, and try out different keystrokes.
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 5:29 PM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
> 
> has anyone tried it on an iPad air2?  I am trying to see if someone who uses 
> voiceover can use the multitask splitscrean option to show two apps at the 
> sometime on the screen.  If anyone has any ideas in this I’d appreciate it.  
> So far ios9b1 is running great on my iPad.  I am going to put it on my iPhone 
> soon after I use it on my air2 for a few days.
> 
> Are there any notable voiceover features/fixes/things of note that is brings? 
>  I don’t see a lot of big changes in VoiceOver so far.
> 
> Best,
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Its not too sluggish on my 6, but its kind of like using iOS8.1 or so.But 
>> its well worth it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:43 PM, matthew dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes It s very sluggish  on my 5s.  I need to report this.  I can not 
>>> scything anything more do to the NDA but what is described is confirmed on 
>>> my 5s.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:42 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
 Have any of you noticed any sluggishness with voiceover on iOS9 beta? I'm 
 waiting to upgrade until I know more about this.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, you can, but be forewarned.  Unless things have died down, last I 
> checked a couple of hours ago, their servers were literally slammed!  I'd 
> personally wait until later tonight, if that's feezable, just to be sure 
> maybe that things have cooled down a ways.  Otherwise, it's possible that 
> their servers may come to a near crawl.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:53 PM
> Subject: Re: iOS 9 public beta to be released today – MacDailyNews - 
> Welcome Home
> 
> 
> If you were previously signed up for the beta program, everyone can do 
> it. I’m not sure if you can just randomly sign up and get access to both 
> OS X and iOS.
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Everyone can do it!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: iOS 9 public beta to be released today – MacDailyNews - 
>> Welcome Home
>> 
>> 
>> Is this another one of those invite only things like the 8.3 beta was, or
>> can we all do it?
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "george b" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:01 PM
>> Subject: RE: iOS 9 public beta to be released today – MacDailyNews - 
>> Welcome
>> Home
>> 
>> 
>> I got a email from apple for both one for I o s 9 and one for el capitan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 13:54
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS 9 public beta to be released today – MacDailyNews - 
>> Welcome
>> Home
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Shouldn’t we get a notice from apple about it via e-mail first?
>> I haven’t but will have a look anyway.
>> /A
>>> 9 jul 2015 kl. 22:42 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Yeah, that's kind of what I suspected.  I just wanted to make sure it 
>>> wasn't just me.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: iOS 9 public beta to be released today – MacDailyNews - 
>>> Welcome Home
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> 
>>> Give it time, the site’s just being really slow, possibly due to all 
>>> the people trying to sign up for the beta at once. It was slow for me, 
>>> but I eventually got it to work, that way I can stop paying $99 just to 
>>> test software. :)
 On Jul 9, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 This is kind of bizarre.  I go to the page, and vo+space on the sign 
 up link, but nothing happens.
 
 Judging on that link by pressing vo+shift+U, it looks like the URL it 
 would take me to would be to agree to their legal terms of service.
 
 No page seems to be loading, and it doesn't even look like a java or 
 html 5 thing where it's a mobile window that pops up at the bottom of 
 the page.
 
 I've tried routing the mouse, then clicking, I've tried literally 
 clicking the trackpad, 

Re: Sorry if OT

[Devin Prater]

Its why some one should make a list for those running public betas.
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> There are undoubtedly many places where you can discuss the public beta. Look 
> at all the publications that are out with various articles about how well or 
> not well things are working thus far. But on these lists, no go. I wonder why 
> they make people sign and NDA for a public beta which literally anyone with 
> an eye device can download.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:34 PM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> no
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 12:07
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Sorry if OT
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
>> Thanks.
>> /A
>>> 11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :
>>> 
>>> Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
>>> fixed pretty soon.
 On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least 
 on my iPod touch. 
 
 
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Re: parallels 10 accessibility

[Devin Prater]

Unfortunately, it is not.
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I currently run vm fusion to load windows on my mac, so I can run some 
> development software.  Fusion can be very laggy, and I do not have a slow 
> computer.  I have a 2014 iMac, w/ i7 quad core 3.5ghz cpu, 32gb ram, and 1tb 
> ssd.
> 
> I have read that parallels is after than fusion.
> 
> Is the parallels interface accessible with voiceover on the mac?
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Bst,
> 
> Juan
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Gee! Willikers! Super Dooper issues

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Uh... is it normal if I'm reimaging a USB drive image of OSX back to my 
internal HD with super Doop, for it to  take over an hour and a half just to 
reach 10 percent?  I think the whole image is around 140GB, and yes, I am doing 
this with USB 3.0, and yes, the drive does support 3.0.  Even on 2.0 though, 
I'd not think it should be this long should it?  I mean, I could see in an hour 
and a half it be maybe at 40 or 50 percent, but not no 9 or 10 roughly!  No, 
the mac hasn't been going to sleep while it's been imaging.  I've made double 
dawg sure of that.

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RE: question about garage band

[Ted Phillips]

I’ll check that.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas Herrera
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 9:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question about garage band
 
did you check your audio interface if the level of output and input is correct?
On 12 Jul 2015, at 4:20 AM, Ted Phillips mailto:tedmusi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
Hi all.  I have been trying to do some recording in Garage Band 10.1.  I can 
open a project and set up the tracks, but seem to find controls for my midi in 
and out for the keyboard.  No matter what I do, I can’t get input from the 
keyboard back through the mac via my quad capture.  I am using a macbook pro 
with a quad capture sound card and a Korg Kross.  Can someone please help?
 
Thanks
 
Ted Phillips
 
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Re: question about garage band

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

did you check your audio interface if the level of output and input is correct?
> On 12 Jul 2015, at 4:20 AM, Ted Phillips  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.  I have been trying to do some recording in Garage Band 10.1.  I can 
> open a project and set up the tracks, but seem to find controls for my midi 
> in and out for the keyboard.  No matter what I do, I can’t get input from the 
> keyboard back through the mac via my quad capture.  I am using a macbook pro 
> with a quad capture sound card and a Korg Kross.  Can someone please help?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Ted Phillips
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Re: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, if I can reproduce it, I'll do so.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel Miller" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?


Report an issue where in system preferences, under the sound category, 
VoiceOver automatically selects the tab your focused on, without you having 
to press VO+space. This makes it rather difficult to navigate a tab, 
especially if it’s not the tab you intended to stop on.
On Jul 11, 2015, at 10:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I'm willing to do the same.  If you find something, let me know, and I'll 
test it, and if I can reproduce, I'll file it, but again, I won't be 
discussing its outcome, I'm sorry.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 10:53 PM
Subject: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?


Hello list,
Like some of you, I'm now testing 10.11. I'll not be discussing it, due to 
the NDA, but I want to test as much as I can. Please let me know what bugs 
you're experiencing so I can  confirm them; if they're fixed, great, but 
if not, I want to tell Apple as soon as I can. I know about the bug list 
AppleVis keeps, but there's no guarantee we have every bug on there. Note 
that I can't test foreign language or braille display bugs, and remember 
that I won't be reporting back on the status of anything you send. Thanks!


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another mail client?

[May McDonald]

Hey there.

I'm looking for another mail client to use other than apple mail. I'm seriously 
ready to scream anytime I have to use apple mail and it decide it wants to take 
years to give me my mail or decide all of a sudden that it no longer likes the 
settings.

Any suggestions like outlook or something like that for the mac?

May and LD Luna Moon!
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Re: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?

[Daniel Miller]

Report an issue where in system preferences, under the sound category, 
VoiceOver automatically selects the tab your focused on, without you having to 
press VO+space. This makes it rather difficult to navigate a tab, especially if 
it’s not the tab you intended to stop on.
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 10:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm willing to do the same.  If you find something, let me know, and I'll 
> test it, and if I can reproduce, I'll file it, but again, I won't be 
> discussing its outcome, I'm sorry.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 10:53 PM
> Subject: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?
> 
> 
> Hello list,
> Like some of you, I'm now testing 10.11. I'll not be discussing it, due to 
> the NDA, but I want to test as much as I can. Please let me know what bugs 
> you're experiencing so I can  confirm them; if they're fixed, great, but if 
> not, I want to tell Apple as soon as I can. I know about the bug list 
> AppleVis keeps, but there's no guarantee we have every bug on there. Note 
> that I can't test foreign language or braille display bugs, and remember that 
> I won't be reporting back on the status of anything you send. Thanks!
> 
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Re: Deleting Message Conversations on the Mac

[Jamie Pauls]

Are you using a Gmail account? I see that sometimes. Messages don't always sync 
quite the way they should, but this doesn't happen all the time.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> In the conversations table, highlight the contact you want messages deleted 
> for and hit command+backspace.
> 
> 
> -Shaf
> 
>> On 7/12/2015 3:33 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> I have only recently begun to use Messages on the Mac. I am noticing that 
>> despite erasing conversations on my iPhone, when I choose a particular user 
>> from the table on the Mac, the old messages are still there. How do I get 
>> rid of these? I checked in Message preferences and could not find anything 
>> other than save history when conversations are closed, which is unchecked.
>> 
>> TIA.
>> Christine
>> 
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Re: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm willing to do the same.  If you find something, let me know, and I'll 
test it, and if I can reproduce, I'll file it, but again, I won't be 
discussing its outcome, I'm sorry.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Hall" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 10:53 PM
Subject: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?


Hello list,
Like some of you, I'm now testing 10.11. I'll not be discussing it, due to 
the NDA, but I want to test as much as I can. Please let me know what bugs 
you're experiencing so I can  confirm them; if they're fixed, great, but if 
not, I want to tell Apple as soon as I can. I know about the bug list 
AppleVis keeps, but there's no guarantee we have every bug on there. Note 
that I can't test foreign language or braille display bugs, and remember 
that I won't be reporting back on the status of anything you send. Thanks!


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OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?

[Alex Hall]

Hello list,
Like some of you, I'm now testing 10.11. I'll not be discussing it, due to the 
NDA, but I want to test as much as I can. Please let me know what bugs you're 
experiencing so I can  confirm them; if they're fixed, great, but if not, I 
want to tell Apple as soon as I can. I know about the bug list AppleVis keeps, 
but there's no guarantee we have every bug on there. Note that I can't test 
foreign language or braille display bugs, and remember that I won't be 
reporting back on the status of anything you send. Thanks!

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Re: Deleting Message Conversations on the Mac

[Shaf]

In the conversations table, highlight the contact you want messages 
deleted for and hit command+backspace.



-Shaf

On 7/12/2015 3:33 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:

I have only recently begun to use Messages on the Mac. I am noticing that 
despite erasing conversations on my iPhone, when I choose a particular user 
from the table on the Mac, the old messages are still there. How do I get rid 
of these? I checked in Message preferences and could not find anything other 
than save history when conversations are closed, which is unchecked.

TIA.
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Deleting Message Conversations on the Mac

[Christine Grassman]

I have only recently begun to use Messages on the Mac. I am noticing that 
despite erasing conversations on my iPhone, when I choose a particular user 
from the table on the Mac, the old messages are still there. How do I get rid 
of these? I checked in Message preferences and could not find anything other 
than save history when conversations are closed, which is unchecked. 

TIA.
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Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all to do with NDA

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Ewww, what a pain in the ass!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Miller 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 10:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all to 
do with NDA


  Unfortunately, the way they say to do it is to wipe everything and start 
fresh.
  The way I did it is I restored back to a 10.10.3 backup I had, put the public 
beta build on, then used the recovery partition to erase my drive and reinstall 
the same exact build, since for some reason I couldn’t get the 
CreateInstallMedia terminal command to correctly make my bootable USB 
installer. Perhaps it was the drive I was using, but I just gave up on that and 
did it that way and fixed everything.


On Jul 11, 2015, at 9:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Basically, the main reason I want the public build is so I have the 
Feedback Assistant app.  The bug reporter is a royal pain in the kneck in my 
opinion, but that's all I can say.

If you know a way around this without me just wiping and starting fresh, 
then do tell.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Miller
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 10:03 PM
  Subject: Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all 
to do with NDA


  The dev build is higher, so if you install the public beta build, then go 
into software update, you’ll constantly see the dev build unless you install 
that.


On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Wait, I'm a little confused.  Are you saying the dev build is higher, 
or are you saying the public beta is higher?

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Miller
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 9:42 PM
  Subject: Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at 
all to do with NDA


  Hi,


  It’s not necessary, but that’s at I ended up doing. One thing I did 
notice is that as of now, the build for the public beta is slightly different 
than the one seeded to developers for beta 3, so if you install the public beta 
build on top on that, you’ll keep seeing build 12A216g in software update since 
that’s a higher numbered one, if only slightly.

On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


So, I'm a developer, and therefore prior to the public release, I 
had already a dev seed of El Capitan installed on my test machine.  I'm curious 
to know however:  how does this work if I want to uninstall that and install 
the public beta instead?  Do I just enroll the system like normal, then install 
either clean, or over the top?  Or is it something where you can't install a 
public build over the top of the private beta seed?  I'm not asking anyone to 
break NDA here.  I don't even need you to disclose the specifics of how to 
install things.  I just simply need to know can I do this, or will I be 
required to wipe and do a fresh install.  I know either way it would be 
recommended, but is it absolutely a must?  Is it totally necessary?

Literally that is it!  That's all I'm trying to ascertain.  If 
someone can tell me this much, I can figure out the rest.

Chris.



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Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all to do with NDA

[Daniel Miller]

Unfortunately, the way they say to do it is to wipe everything and start fresh.
The way I did it is I restored back to a 10.10.3 backup I had, put the public 
beta build on, then used the recovery partition to erase my drive and reinstall 
the same exact build, since for some reason I couldn’t get the 
CreateInstallMedia terminal command to correctly make my bootable USB 
installer. Perhaps it was the drive I was using, but I just gave up on that and 
did it that way and fixed everything.

> On Jul 11, 2015, at 9:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Basically, the main reason I want the public build is so I have the Feedback 
> Assistant app.  The bug reporter is a royal pain in the kneck in my opinion, 
> but that's all I can say.
>  
> If you know a way around this without me just wiping and starting fresh, then 
> do tell.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Daniel Miller 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 10:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all to 
>> do with NDA
>> 
>> The dev build is higher, so if you install the public beta build, then go 
>> into software update, you’ll constantly see the dev build unless you install 
>> that.
>> 
>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wait, I'm a little confused.  Are you saying the dev build is higher, or 
>>> are you saying the public beta is higher?
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Daniel Miller 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 9:42 PM
 Subject: Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all 
 to do with NDA
 
 Hi,
 
 It’s not necessary, but that’s at I ended up doing. One thing I did notice 
 is that as of now, the build for the public beta is slightly different 
 than the one seeded to developers for beta 3, so if you install the public 
 beta build on top on that, you’ll keep seeing build 12A216g in software 
 update since that’s a higher numbered one, if only slightly.
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> So, I'm a developer, and therefore prior to the public release, I had 
> already a dev seed of El Capitan installed on my test machine.  I'm 
> curious to know however:  how does this work if I want to uninstall that 
> and install the public beta instead?  Do I just enroll the system like 
> normal, then install either clean, or over the top?  Or is it something 
> where you can't install a public build over the top of the private beta 
> seed?  I'm not asking anyone to break NDA here.  I don't even need you to 
> disclose the specifics of how to install things.  I just simply need to 
> know can I do this, or will I be required to wipe and do a fresh install. 
>  I know either way it would be recommended, but is it absolutely a must?  
> Is it totally necessary?
>  
> Literally that is it!  That's all I'm trying to ascertain.  If someone 
> can tell me this much, I can figure out the rest.
>  
> Chris.
>  
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question about garage band

[Ted Phillips]

Hi all.  I have been trying to do some recording in Garage Band 10.1.  I can
open a project and set up the tracks, but seem to find controls for my midi
in and out for the keyboard.  No matter what I do, I can't get input from
the keyboard back through the mac via my quad capture.  I am using a macbook
pro with a quad capture sound card and a Korg Kross.  Can someone please
help?
 
Thanks
 
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Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all to do with NDA

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Basically, the main reason I want the public build is so I have the Feedback 
Assistant app.  The bug reporter is a royal pain in the kneck in my opinion, 
but that's all I can say.

If you know a way around this without me just wiping and starting fresh, then 
do tell.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Miller 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 10:03 PM
  Subject: Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all to 
do with NDA


  The dev build is higher, so if you install the public beta build, then go 
into software update, you’ll constantly see the dev build unless you install 
that.


On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Wait, I'm a little confused.  Are you saying the dev build is higher, or 
are you saying the public beta is higher?

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Miller
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 9:42 PM
  Subject: Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all 
to do with NDA


  Hi,


  It’s not necessary, but that’s at I ended up doing. One thing I did 
notice is that as of now, the build for the public beta is slightly different 
than the one seeded to developers for beta 3, so if you install the public beta 
build on top on that, you’ll keep seeing build 12A216g in software update since 
that’s a higher numbered one, if only slightly.

On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


So, I'm a developer, and therefore prior to the public release, I had 
already a dev seed of El Capitan installed on my test machine.  I'm curious to 
know however:  how does this work if I want to uninstall that and install the 
public beta instead?  Do I just enroll the system like normal, then install 
either clean, or over the top?  Or is it something where you can't install a 
public build over the top of the private beta seed?  I'm not asking anyone to 
break NDA here.  I don't even need you to disclose the specifics of how to 
install things.  I just simply need to know can I do this, or will I be 
required to wipe and do a fresh install.  I know either way it would be 
recommended, but is it absolutely a must?  Is it totally necessary?

Literally that is it!  That's all I'm trying to ascertain.  If someone 
can tell me this much, I can figure out the rest.

Chris.



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Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all to do with NDA

[Daniel Miller]

The dev build is higher, so if you install the public beta build, then go into 
software update, you’ll constantly see the dev build unless you install that.

> On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Wait, I'm a little confused.  Are you saying the dev build is higher, or are 
> you saying the public beta is higher?
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Daniel Miller 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 9:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all to 
>> do with NDA
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It’s not necessary, but that’s at I ended up doing. One thing I did notice 
>> is that as of now, the build for the public beta is slightly different than 
>> the one seeded to developers for beta 3, so if you install the public beta 
>> build on top on that, you’ll keep seeing build 12A216g in software update 
>> since that’s a higher numbered one, if only slightly.
>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, I'm a developer, and therefore prior to the public release, I had 
>>> already a dev seed of El Capitan installed on my test machine.  I'm curious 
>>> to know however:  how does this work if I want to uninstall that and 
>>> install the public beta instead?  Do I just enroll the system like normal, 
>>> then install either clean, or over the top?  Or is it something where you 
>>> can't install a public build over the top of the private beta seed?  I'm 
>>> not asking anyone to break NDA here.  I don't even need you to disclose the 
>>> specifics of how to install things.  I just simply need to know can I do 
>>> this, or will I be required to wipe and do a fresh install.  I know either 
>>> way it would be recommended, but is it absolutely a must?  Is it totally 
>>> necessary?
>>>  
>>> Literally that is it!  That's all I'm trying to ascertain.  If someone can 
>>> tell me this much, I can figure out the rest.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
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Re: .ds_store

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No problem.  As I said, let me know if you need any further help.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Shaf" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: .ds_store



Thanks for the recommendation.

On 7/12/2015 2:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Actually Shaf, yes.  If you get Onyx, not sure the download link off 
hand. I think it's in the app store.  If you have problems finding it, 
let me know and I'll try to help you out.  I think I remember that is how 
I turned that feature off.  I gree, that and the .trashes folder.  It's 
annoying as hell! There is a way  though as I said.  I don't recall where 
in Onyx you do this, as it's been ages since I've needed to pull up its 
interface, but as far as I remember, that's how I wound up fixing it.


Let me know if you need further help.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Shaf" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 9:45 PM
Subject: .ds_store


Is there a way of stopping .ds_store and thumbs.db from writing to every 
signle folder I view?
There's just no reason I need them there. Google came up with some 
terminal command which didn't work.


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Re: .ds_store

[Shaf]

Thanks for the recommendation.

On 7/12/2015 2:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Actually Shaf, yes.  If you get Onyx, not sure the download link off 
hand. I think it's in the app store.  If you have problems finding it, 
let me know and I'll try to help you out.  I think I remember that is 
how I turned that feature off.  I gree, that and the .trashes folder.  
It's annoying as hell! There is a way  though as I said.  I don't 
recall where in Onyx you do this, as it's been ages since I've needed 
to pull up its interface, but as far as I remember, that's how I wound 
up fixing it.


Let me know if you need further help.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Shaf" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 9:45 PM
Subject: .ds_store


Is there a way of stopping .ds_store and thumbs.db from writing to 
every signle folder I view?
There's just no reason I need them there. Google came up with some 
terminal command which didn't work.


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Re: .ds_store

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
I think TinkerTool may be able to do this.
You can find more information about this program here:
http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html 

Hope this helps,
Jeffrey
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> Is there a way of stopping .ds_store and thumbs.db from writing to every 
> signle folder I view?
> There's just no reason I need them there. Google came up with some terminal 
> command which didn't work.
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Re: .ds_store

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Actually Shaf, yes.  If you get Onyx, not sure the download link off hand. 
I think it's in the app store.  If you have problems finding it, let me know 
and I'll try to help you out.  I think I remember that is how I turned that 
feature off.  I gree, that and the .trashes folder.  It's annoying as hell! 
There is a way  though as I said.  I don't recall where in Onyx you do this, 
as it's been ages since I've needed to pull up its interface, but as far as 
I remember, that's how I wound up fixing it.


Let me know if you need further help.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Shaf" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 9:45 PM
Subject: .ds_store


Is there a way of stopping .ds_store and thumbs.db from writing to every 
signle folder I view?
There's just no reason I need them there. Google came up with some 
terminal command which didn't work.


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.ds_store

[Shaf]

Is there a way of stopping .ds_store and thumbs.db from writing to every 
signle folder I view?
There's just no reason I need them there. Google came up with some 
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Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all to do with NDA

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wait, I'm a little confused.  Are you saying the dev build is higher, or are 
you saying the public beta is higher?

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Miller 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 9:42 PM
  Subject: Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all to 
do with NDA


  Hi,


  It’s not necessary, but that’s at I ended up doing. One thing I did notice is 
that as of now, the build for the public beta is slightly different than the 
one seeded to developers for beta 3, so if you install the public beta build on 
top on that, you’ll keep seeing build 12A216g in software update since that’s a 
higher numbered one, if only slightly.

On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


So, I'm a developer, and therefore prior to the public release, I had 
already a dev seed of El Capitan installed on my test machine.  I'm curious to 
know however:  how does this work if I want to uninstall that and install the 
public beta instead?  Do I just enroll the system like normal, then install 
either clean, or over the top?  Or is it something where you can't install a 
public build over the top of the private beta seed?  I'm not asking anyone to 
break NDA here.  I don't even need you to disclose the specifics of how to 
install things.  I just simply need to know can I do this, or will I be 
required to wipe and do a fresh install.  I know either way it would be 
recommended, but is it absolutely a must?  Is it totally necessary?

Literally that is it!  That's all I'm trying to ascertain.  If someone can 
tell me this much, I can figure out the rest.

Chris.



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Re: Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all to do with NDA

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

It’s not necessary, but that’s at I ended up doing. One thing I did notice is 
that as of now, the build for the public beta is slightly different than the 
one seeded to developers for beta 3, so if you install the public beta build on 
top on that, you’ll keep seeing build 12A216g in software update since that’s a 
higher numbered one, if only slightly.
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> So, I'm a developer, and therefore prior to the public release, I had already 
> a dev seed of El Capitan installed on my test machine.  I'm curious to know 
> however:  how does this work if I want to uninstall that and install the 
> public beta instead?  Do I just enroll the system like normal, then install 
> either clean, or over the top?  Or is it something where you can't install a 
> public build over the top of the private beta seed?  I'm not asking anyone to 
> break NDA here.  I don't even need you to disclose the specifics of how to 
> install things.  I just simply need to know can I do this, or will I be 
> required to wipe and do a fresh install.  I know either way it would be 
> recommended, but is it absolutely a must?  Is it totally necessary?
>  
> Literally that is it!  That's all I'm trying to ascertain.  If someone can 
> tell me this much, I can figure out the rest.
>  
> Chris.
>  
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Real quick question about El Capitan that has nothing at all to do with NDA

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

So, I'm a developer, and therefore prior to the public release, I had already a 
dev seed of El Capitan installed on my test machine.  I'm curious to know 
however:  how does this work if I want to uninstall that and install the public 
beta instead?  Do I just enroll the system like normal, then install either 
clean, or over the top?  Or is it something where you can't install a public 
build over the top of the private beta seed?  I'm not asking anyone to break 
NDA here.  I don't even need you to disclose the specifics of how to install 
things.  I just simply need to know can I do this, or will I be required to 
wipe and do a fresh install.  I know either way it would be recommended, but is 
it absolutely a must?  Is it totally necessary?

Literally that is it!  That's all I'm trying to ascertain.  If someone can tell 
me this much, I can figure out the rest.

Chris.

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parallels 10 accessibility

[Juan Hernandez]

Hi All,

I currently run vm fusion to load windows on my mac, so I can run some 
development software.  Fusion can be very laggy, and I do not have a slow 
computer.  I have a 2014 iMac, w/ i7 quad core 3.5ghz cpu, 32gb ram, and 1tb 
ssd.

I have read that parallels is after than fusion.

Is the parallels interface accessible with voiceover on the mac?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Bst,

Juan

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Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod

[Stacey Robinson]

I don’t know what they said, but I got it working.
Thanks
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> That doesn't answer my question.
>  
> I need to know what those errors specifically say.  I can't help you if I 
> don't.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Stacey Robinson 
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod
>> 
>> The messages send me back errors.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:09 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, let's approach it this way...
>>>  
>>> What exactly happens when you attempt to send an outgoing message.  Please 
>>> be as specific as possible.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Stacey Robinson 
 To: Macvisionaries 
 Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:00 PM
 Subject: Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod
 
 I can’t seem to get messages to work.
 iMessage is on and facetime is too.
 What am I doing wrong?
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Let me know if you need further help.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Stacey Robinson 
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod
>> 
>> Thanks Chris,
>> I’ll check these settings.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, you don't need the e-mail addresses in your phone that you're 
>>> sending to, necessarily.  It would be helpful, yes, but it's not a 
>>> requirement.
>>>  
>>> What they're saying is, you need to go into settings, then Messages, 
>>> and be sure that IMessage is turned on, and that it is set to your 
>>> e-mail address for your outgoing messages instead of being set to your 
>>> old phone number.  I'll betcha it still is trying to send from your old 
>>> number, and that's probably  why it's not working.  Also, 
>>> be sure obviously that you are connected to your wifi.  Otherwise, 
>>> again, it won't work.
>>>  
>>> Also, I'd make sure that Facetime is signed in, and that you are set 
>>> for outgoing calls to be sent from your e-mail address, and not your 
>>> old phone number.  That's under Settings, Facetime.  I know you might 
>>> not ever use! Facetime, but trust me with this.  It is so tightly 
>>> integraded with IMessage, that you probably will want to confirm this 
>>> as well.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Stacey Robinson 
 To: Macvisionaries 
 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:44 PM
 Subject: Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod
 
 Ok, so I need to make sure I have all email addresses in my phone.
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> On Jul 9, 2015, at 8:31 PM, Pamela Francis  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have been doing the same thing for quite a while. My iPhone is now 
> my iPod/Web viewer etc. you can still use iMessage or FaceTime with 
> your email address. 
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Jul 9, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Stacey Robinson  > wrote:
> 
> I am now just using my iPhone 5S like an iPod.
> I was getting dropped calls all the time. I’d be listening or talking 
> and the phone would just drop the call.
> I went to the apple store and we thought it was fixed.
> I am unable to send iMessages from my phone but messages is on. How 
> do I make iMessage work on a phone when I’m not using the phone part 
> of it?
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
> mailto:stacey.

RE: Sorry if OT

[george b]

How come every time you go on these ton's of emails and people get tired of 
them you always have a excuse on why just stop it

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 15:53
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT

I apologize.

I'm dealing with some crap over here which I won't go into, but suffice it 
to say, because of helping a friend who's in some very emotional hard times 
right now, I've not had any sleep in probably 4 nights now in a row.  I 
didn't mean to snap.  Forgive me.  I'm just really really tired.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT


Chris,
It was a rhetorical question. Nothing more.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2015, at 3:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
>
> Mary, I don't know, but I don't make the rules, I simply just follow them.
>
> Ask Apple.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Sorry if OT
>
>
> There are undoubtedly many places where you can discuss the public beta. 
> Look at all the publications that are out with various articles about how 
> well or not well things are working thus far. But on these lists, no go. I 
> wonder why they make people sign and NDA for a public beta which literally 
> anyone with an eye device can download.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:34 PM, george b  wrote:
>>
>> no
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 12:07
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Sorry if OT
>>
>> Hi!
>> Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
>> Thanks.
>> /A
>>> 11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :
>>>
>>> Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll 
>>> be fixed pretty soon.
 On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  
 wrote:

 Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At 
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Re: Sorry if OT

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

More power to ya.  Yeah, you go do that, and create that list.

I won't be a member, most likely though.

Chris.
- Original Message - 
From: "Juan Hernandez" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT


what better place to discuss this then here?  If we who are testing it ask 
each other questions, post comments observations etc, I don’t see why that 
isn’t a problem.  The better the communication we have the better feedback
we can have with apple to make sure our voices are heard to get things done 
during  this beta cycle.


When I was at wwdc, I was told this isn’t a big
deal.

Maybe we should start a apple beta discussion list if there will be issues.

What do you guys think?  I think it would be good for it to be here this way 
the people who aren’t using it, they can have us who are using ios9beta test 
things they are having issues on iOsS 8.x to see if they are fixed in iOS 9.


Best,

Juan
On Jul 11, 2015, at 2:51 PM, christopher hallsworth 
 wrote:


According to the FAQ, which you can read at
beta.apple.com
no features or bugs, unless publicly disclosed by Apple, shall be 
discussed with anyone not signed up to the public beta program or not 
running the public beta. That's the jist of it, anyway. So the short 
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On 11 Jul 2015, at 20:06, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
Thanks.
/A

11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :

Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll 
be fixed pretty soon.
On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  
wrote:


Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At 
least on my iPod touch.



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Re: Sorry if OT

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What the hell ever!  I'm not arguing this!  Whether I'm right or wrong, this 
isn't worth me spending the final energy I have left over!


Guys if you wanna blab, do it.  If you don't, then don't but frankly, I'm 
Goddamn tired of arguing if this is acceptable or not!  All I will end by 
saying is, if Apple finds out, and you don't get in trouble, then good for 
you!  If you do though then don't come bitching and snarling at me like a 
terrible 2.


- Original Message - 
From: "Barry Hadder" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT


Cris:

try developer.apple.com.  The WWDC videos are the first heading you come to.
Really hard to find.
All WWDC sessions have been open to the public for over a year.

As far as the amendment goes, that has also been common knowledge for over a 
year now.  You will find in in your registered apple developer agreement. 
It is a pdf.  You can also google it and find it any number of places.

I believe that I did say “read your legal agreements carefully".


On Jul 11, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


And where the hell is this amendment?  If you're gonna give things like 
that, then do like chris did.


Site your sources, as otherwise, it's useless.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 


To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT


According to the FAQ, which you can read at
beta.apple.com
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with anyone not signed up to the public beta program or not running the 
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Hi!
Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
Thanks.
/A

11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :

Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll 
be fixed pretty soon.
On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  
wrote:


Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least 
on my iPod touch.



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Re: Sorry if OT

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I apologize.

I'm dealing with some crap over here which I won't go into, but suffice it 
to say, because of helping a friend who's in some very emotional hard times 
right now, I've not had any sleep in probably 4 nights now in a row.  I 
didn't mean to snap.  Forgive me.  I'm just really really tired.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT


Chris,
It was a rhetorical question. Nothing more.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2015, at 3:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Mary, I don't know, but I don't make the rules, I simply just follow them.

Ask Apple.

Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT


There are undoubtedly many places where you can discuss the public beta. 
Look at all the publications that are out with various articles about how 
well or not well things are working thus far. But on these lists, no go. I 
wonder why they make people sign and NDA for a public beta which literally 
anyone with an eye device can download.


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On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:34 PM, george b  wrote:

no

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Hi!
Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
Thanks.
/A

11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :

Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll 
be fixed pretty soon.
On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  
wrote:


Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At 
least on my iPod touch.



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Re: Sorry if OT

[Juan Hernandez]

what better place to discuss this then here?  If we who are testing it ask each 
other questions, post comments observations etc, I don’t see why that isn’t a 
problem.  The better the communication we have the better feedback 
we can have with apple to make sure our voices are heard to get things done 
during  this beta cycle.

When I was at wwdc, I was told this isn’t a big
 deal.  

Maybe we should start a apple beta discussion list if there will be issues.

What do you guys think?  I think it would be good for it to be here this way 
the people who aren’t using it, they can have us who are using ios9beta test 
things they are having issues on iOsS 8.x to see if they are fixed in iOS 9.

Best,

Juan 
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 2:51 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> According to the FAQ, which you can read at
> beta.apple.com
> no features or bugs, unless publicly disclosed by Apple, shall be discussed 
> with anyone not signed up to the public beta program or not running the 
> public beta. That's the jist of it, anyway. So the short answer is no.
> 
> 
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>> On 11 Jul 2015, at 20:06, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
>> Thanks.
>> /A
>>> 11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :
>>> 
>>> Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
>>> fixed pretty soon.
 On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least 
 on my iPod touch. 
 
 
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Re: improvements in eclipse accessibility

[Juan Hernandez]

no patches for the basic eclipse editor.  just upgrade to eclipse 4.5 mars from 
what ever you are running.
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 3:21 AM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
> Guys,
> 
> What packages do you need to install these editors?
> 
> Sean 
>> On 11 Jul 2015, at 5:45 pm, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Juan,
>> 
>> That’s great news. I’ll stick to using eclim as I like my vim commands, but 
>> this will definetely be a nice addition for everyone who wants to use 
>> eclipse for uni courses.
>> 
>> For the auto completion bit, if you do vo f2 twice and pull up the window, 
>> go to the last element of said window and you will get to the correct list 
>> of suggestions. I know this is long and tedious to do for each auto 
>> completion session, which is why I suggested the applescript. There might be 
>> a better method for this, such as a new feature on el capitan but I haven’t 
>> tested it out yet.
>> 
>> There might, alternatively, be a way to get rid of that description window 
>> to force vo focus directly onto the list of suggestions.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/07/2015, at 3:30 PM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I just downloaded the eclipse side version 4.5, mars.  and was rather 
>>> supervised when I saw that now the editor area is now accessible.  This 
>>> makes the ride usable now.  I am still trying to figure out how to get 
>>> autocorrection working.  There is an issue when you type something like 
>>> ‘System.’ and when you hit the period the autocorrect kicks in.  usually 
>>> one just uses down/up arrows to view the different classes and such.  This 
>>> is the case, but when you move through the list of 
>>> classes/methods/properties etc, it automatically placeless you in the html 
>>> viewer window to read the details of what that particular selected item 
>>> does, and how it does what it does.  usually you hit the tab key to get to 
>>> that help info when browsing the list if one needs more info on a 
>>> particular item.
>>> 
>>> But this is really  great news for those of you that use it.
>>> 
>>> If anyone has any info, I’d love to hear it to fix the issue I’m having, or 
>>> any other tips/tricks.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Juan
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Re: improvements in eclipse accessibility

[Juan Hernandez]

the apple script what do you do? and what exactly does it do? and how can I get 
this script?  thanks.
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hey Juan,
> 
> That’s great news. I’ll stick to using eclim as I like my vim commands, but 
> this will definetely be a nice addition for everyone who wants to use eclipse 
> for uni courses.
> 
> For the auto completion bit, if you do vo f2 twice and pull up the window, go 
> to the last element of said window and you will get to the correct list of 
> suggestions. I know this is long and tedious to do for each auto completion 
> session, which is why I suggested the applescript. There might be a better 
> method for this, such as a new feature on el capitan but I haven’t tested it 
> out yet.
> 
> There might, alternatively, be a way to get rid of that description window to 
> force vo focus directly onto the list of suggestions.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
>> On 11/07/2015, at 3:30 PM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I just downloaded the eclipse side version 4.5, mars.  and was rather 
>> supervised when I saw that now the editor area is now accessible.  This 
>> makes the ride usable now.  I am still trying to figure out how to get 
>> autocorrection working.  There is an issue when you type something like 
>> ‘System.’ and when you hit the period the autocorrect kicks in.  usually one 
>> just uses down/up arrows to view the different classes and such.  This is 
>> the case, but when you move through the list of classes/methods/properties 
>> etc, it automatically placeless you in the html viewer window to read the 
>> details of what that particular selected item does, and how it does what it 
>> does.  usually you hit the tab key to get to that help info when browsing 
>> the list if one needs more info on a particular item.
>> 
>> But this is really  great news for those of you that use it.
>> 
>> If anyone has any info, I’d love to hear it to fix the issue I’m having, or 
>> any other tips/tricks.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Juan
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Re: Sorry if OT

[Barry Hadder]

Cris:

try developer.apple.com.  The WWDC videos are the first heading you come to.
Really hard to find.
All WWDC sessions have been open to the public for over a year.

As far as the amendment goes, that has also been common knowledge for over a 
year now.  You will find in in your registered apple developer agreement.  It 
is a pdf.  You can also google it and find it any number of places.
I believe that I did say “read your legal agreements carefully".


On Jul 11, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

And where the hell is this amendment?  If you're gonna give things like that, 
then do like chris did.

Site your sources, as otherwise, it's useless.

Chris.

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> On 11 Jul 2015, at 20:06, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
> Thanks.
> /A
>> 11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :
>> 
>> Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
>> fixed pretty soon.
>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least on 
>>> my iPod touch.
>>> 
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Re: iOS 9 public beta to be released today – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home

[Juan Hernandez]

has anyone tried it on an iPad air2?  I am trying to see if someone who uses 
voiceover can use the multitask splitscrean option to show two apps at the 
sometime on the screen.  If anyone has any ideas in this I’d appreciate it.  So 
far ios9b1 is running great on my iPad.  I am going to put it on my iPhone soon 
after I use it on my air2 for a few days.

Are there any notable voiceover features/fixes/things of note that is brings?  
I don’t see a lot of big changes in VoiceOver so far.

Best,
> On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Its not too sluggish on my 6, but its kind of like using iOS8.1 or so.But its 
> well worth it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:43 PM, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes It s very sluggish  on my 5s.  I need to report this.  I can not 
>> scything anything more do to the NDA but what is described is confirmed on 
>> my 5s.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:42 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have any of you noticed any sluggishness with voiceover on iOS9 beta? I'm 
>>> waiting to upgrade until I know more about this.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Yeah, you can, but be forewarned.  Unless things have died down, last I 
 checked a couple of hours ago, their servers were literally slammed!  I'd 
 personally wait until later tonight, if that's feezable, just to be sure 
 maybe that things have cooled down a ways.  Otherwise, it's possible that 
 their servers may come to a near crawl.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" 
 To: 
 Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:53 PM
 Subject: Re: iOS 9 public beta to be released today – MacDailyNews - 
 Welcome Home
 
 
 If you were previously signed up for the beta program, everyone can do it. 
 I’m not sure if you can just randomly sign up and get access to both OS X 
 and iOS.
 
> On Jul 9, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Everyone can do it!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Brent Harding" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:12 PM
> Subject: Re: iOS 9 public beta to be released today – MacDailyNews - 
> Welcome Home
> 
> 
> Is this another one of those invite only things like the 8.3 beta was, or
> can we all do it?
> 
> - Original Message - From: "george b" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:01 PM
> Subject: RE: iOS 9 public beta to be released today – MacDailyNews - 
> Welcome
> Home
> 
> 
> I got a email from apple for both one for I o s 9 and one for el capitan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 13:54
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 9 public beta to be released today – MacDailyNews - 
> Welcome
> Home
> 
> Hi!
> Shouldn’t we get a notice from apple about it via e-mail first?
> I haven’t but will have a look anyway.
> /A
>> 9 jul 2015 kl. 22:42 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> :
>> 
>> Yeah, that's kind of what I suspected.  I just wanted to make sure it 
>> wasn't just me.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: iOS 9 public beta to be released today – MacDailyNews - 
>> Welcome Home
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> Give it time, the site’s just being really slow, possibly due to all the 
>> people trying to sign up for the beta at once. It was slow for me, but I 
>> eventually got it to work, that way I can stop paying $99 just to test 
>> software. :)
>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is kind of bizarre.  I go to the page, and vo+space on the sign up 
>>> link, but nothing happens.
>>> 
>>> Judging on that link by pressing vo+shift+U, it looks like the URL it 
>>> would take me to would be to agree to their legal terms of service.
>>> 
>>> No page seems to be loading, and it doesn't even look like a java or 
>>> html 5 thing where it's a mobile window that pops up at the bottom of 
>>> the page.
>>> 
>>> I've tried routing the mouse, then clicking, I've tried literally 
>>> clicking the trackpad, and even have done vo+shift+U, then once the URL 
>>> was said, I did vo+shift+C to copy last phraise to clipboard, then went 
>>> up to the addressbar and pasted it in, and hit return.  That didn't 
>>> work either.
>>> 
>>> I'm just unsure how to do this.  It's not working on the Windows side 
>>> with JAWS, nor NV

Re: Sorry if OT

[Mary Otten]

Chris,
It was a rhetorical question. Nothing more.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2015, at 3:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary, I don't know, but I don't make the rules, I simply just follow them.
> 
> Ask Apple.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Sorry if OT
> 
> 
> There are undoubtedly many places where you can discuss the public beta. Look 
> at all the publications that are out with various articles about how well or 
> not well things are working thus far. But on these lists, no go. I wonder why 
> they make people sign and NDA for a public beta which literally anyone with 
> an eye device can download.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:34 PM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> no
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 12:07
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Sorry if OT
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
>> Thanks.
>> /A
>>> 11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :
>>> 
>>> Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
>>> fixed pretty soon.
 On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least 
 on my iPod touch.
 
 
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Re: Introduction and some questions

[Dewald Gmail]

Hi Chris. Yes, about that tutorial. I opened it up today. Did what they said in 
the first screen, and now, whenever I open the tutorial, instead of displaying 
the document text, now Voiceover just says "Empty scrollbar". 
And I can't think what is wrong. The composer mode doesn't want to work. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 12, 2015, at 12:04 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just used the documentation that came with the app.  I found it to be more 
> than sufficient.  It said to read it before getting started, so I took their 
> advice and did so.  It took me about an hour or so to get through it, but it 
> was worth it.
> 
> Yes, I do add folders and files underneath.  That is the whole idea behind 
> scribiner.  Were you under the impression that this was a word processor? 
> It's not!  I mean, it is in a sense, but not really.  This is made more for 
> writers as myself who need software to help them compile their ideas for 
> their books, etc.  Yes, I do use the inspector, but it would be entirely too 
> much to teach you everything about it over an e-mail.  I really really do 
> think your best bet is going to be to open up that interactive getting 
> started guide that comes with the app, and just go through it at your own 
> pace, like I did.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dewald Gmail" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 6:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Introduction and some questions
> 
> 
>> Hi Chris. I guess it's just navigating around the complex interface. Do you 
>> use keyboard shortcuts to jump from the table to the text etc?
>> I think it's probably just different to use than a normal word processor.
>> If you can just explain what you put in the table. Do you add folders or 
>> headings in the table and then scenes underneath?
>> How do you use it?
>> And do you use the inspector?
>> Is there any training material online that helped you?
>> I know there's the "Learn Scrivener fast" but it's very expensive and not 
>> sure if the video's are worth "listening" too.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do indeed use Scribiner.
>>> 
>>> Can I help you with anything specifically?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Dewald Gmail" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:21 AM
>>> Subject: Introduction and some questions
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa.
 Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list.
 I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology.
 I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal on 
 Best Buy.
 I was still in the US by that time.
 Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but 
 yet, I have turned my back on Windows for good.
 
 When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 
 system dialogues".
 And it will repeat it a couple of times.
 Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues.
 
 What is this?
 
 About the notification center:
 do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a way 
 for it to do it automatically?
 
 Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or what, 
 but like using something that doesn't even need a connection it will say 
 busy busy busy, ready. Very irritating.
 
 They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
 Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound.
 So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, 
 then release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can hold 
 in the command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between windows.
 
 And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it possible 
 and can someone email me off-list to help.
 
 Thank you very very much for any help.
 I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it.
 Just a short amuzing story.
 I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
 printer, copier and scanner.
 I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print something.
 I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried 
 to install it, it ended up giving me an error.
 While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
 connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, 
 the machine was spitting out paper.
 I was dum-founded.
 You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?
 That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with Voiceover.
 Amazing!
 
 Thank you,
 God bless,
 Dewald.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Sorry if OT

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

And where the hell is this amendment?  If you're gonna give things like 
that, then do like chris did.


Site your sources, as otherwise, it's useless.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT


According to the FAQ, which you can read at
beta.apple.com
no features or bugs, unless publicly disclosed by Apple, shall be discussed 
with anyone not signed up to the public beta program or not running the 
public beta. That's the jist of it, anyway. So the short answer is no.



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On 11 Jul 2015, at 20:06, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
Thanks.
/A

11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :

Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll 
be fixed pretty soon.
On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  
wrote:


Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least 
on my iPod touch.



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Re: Sorry if OT

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I wanna see a direct link to this, and I want the link specifically to be 
one that begins with apple.com/something


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Barry Hadder" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT


Anything that Apple has made publicly available can be discussed.  All of 
there WWDC sessions are open to the public.  The following was amended to 
the Apple developer confidentiality agreement last year:
Further, Apple agrees that you will not be bound by the foregoing 
confidentiality terms with regard to technical information about Apple pre- 
release software, services and/or hardware disclosed by Apple at WWDC (Apple’s 
Worldwide Developers Conference), except that you may not post screen shots 
of, write public reviews of, or redistribute any such materials.


So, it is a lot looser than it use to be.

Also, if there is an NDA in place for something prerelease, you should see 
the following at the beginning and end of the release notes:

THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE IS UNDER NON-DISCLOSURE

Just don’t post screen shots or distribute any binaries.
Read your legal agreements carefully.

If in Doubt, the developer forms are also a very useful resource for 
discussing issues with the betas.



On Jul 11, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

There are undoubtedly many places where you can discuss the public beta. 
Look at all the publications that are out with various articles about how 
well or not well things are working thus far. But on these lists, no go. I 
wonder why they make people sign and NDA for a public beta which literally 
anyone with an eye device can download.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:34 PM, george b  wrote:

no

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg

Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 12:07
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT

Hi!
Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
Thanks.
/A

11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :

Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll 
be fixed pretty soon.
On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  
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Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least 
on my iPod touch.



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Re: Safari stuck on Busy

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi Jeanine,
have you tried turning vo off and on again?

Caitlyn

> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been having an issue with Safari for probably a few weeks now at least. 
> 
> When I start Safari, it is supposed to go to the FaceBook mobile site. Today 
> this took forever and it never did complete the load. It kept saying 90%.
> 
> When I click on a link or type in a web address, Safari will say “Busy and 
> stay there. 
> 
> Someone told me to reboot my router which I will try tomorrow but is there 
> anything else I can do? 
> 
> Thanks.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: Sorry if OT

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Mary, I don't know, but I don't make the rules, I simply just follow them.

Ask Apple.

Chris.

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From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT


There are undoubtedly many places where you can discuss the public beta. 
Look at all the publications that are out with various articles about how 
well or not well things are working thus far. But on these lists, no go. I 
wonder why they make people sign and NDA for a public beta which literally 
anyone with an eye device can download.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:34 PM, george b  wrote:

no

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg

Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 12:07
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT

Hi!
Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
Thanks.
/A

11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :

Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll 
be fixed pretty soon.
On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  
wrote:


Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least 
on my iPod touch.



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Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That doesn't answer my question.

I need to know what those errors specifically say.  I can't help you if I don't.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Stacey Robinson 
  To: Macvisionaries 
  Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:14 PM
  Subject: Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod


  The messages send me back errors.


  Blessings,
  Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
  mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:09 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK, let's approach it this way...

What exactly happens when you attempt to send an outgoing message.  Please 
be as specific as possible.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Stacey Robinson
  To: Macvisionaries
  Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:00 PM
  Subject: Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod


  I can’t seem to get messages to work.
  iMessage is on and facetime is too.
  What am I doing wrong?


  Blessings,
  Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
  mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Let me know if you need further help.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Stacey Robinson
  To: Macvisionaries
  Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:33 AM
  Subject: Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod


  Thanks Chris,
  I’ll check these settings.


  Blessings,
  Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
  mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 9, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


No, you don't need the e-mail addresses in your phone that you're 
sending to, necessarily.  It would be helpful, yes, but it's not a requirement.

What they're saying is, you need to go into settings, then 
Messages, and be sure that IMessage is turned on, and that it is set to your 
e-mail address for your outgoing messages instead of being set to your old 
phone number.  I'll betcha it still is trying to send from your old number, and 
that's probably why it's not working.  Also, be sure obviously that you are 
connected to your wifi.  Otherwise, again, it won't work.

Also, I'd make sure that Facetime is signed in, and that you are 
set for outgoing calls to be sent from your e-mail address, and not your old 
phone number.  That's under Settings, Facetime.  I know you might not ever use! 
Facetime, but trust me with this.  It is so tightly integraded with IMessage, 
that you probably will want to confirm this as well.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Stacey Robinson
  To: Macvisionaries
  Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:44 PM
  Subject: Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod


  Ok, so I need to make sure I have all email addresses in my phone.


  Blessings,
  Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
  mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 9, 2015, at 8:31 PM, Pamela Francis 
 wrote:


Hi,
I have been doing the same thing for quite a while. My iPhone 
is now my iPod/Web viewer etc. you can still use iMessage or FaceTime with your 
email address. 

Pam Francis

On Jul 9, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Stacey Robinson 
 wrote:


I am now just using my iPhone 5S like an iPod.
I was getting dropped calls all the time. I’d be listening or 
talking and the phone would just drop the call.
I went to the apple store and we thought it was fixed.
I am unable to send iMessages from my phone but messages is on. 
How do I make iMessage work on a phone when I’m not using the phone part of it?


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Re: Sorry if OT

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I think there are Apple forums for it, but I'm not sure.  I know on the 
developer side there is, but not sure of the public beta.  I'd imagine there 
would be though.
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT


Hi!
Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
Thanks.
/A

11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :

Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll 
be fixed pretty soon.
On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  
wrote:


Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least 
on my iPod touch.



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Re: Continuity just doesn't work

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I just hit the call with IPhone option, then it sits there like a stupid 
dork, and comes up and says call failed.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Kilburn" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Continuity just doesn't work


Hi,

What kind of router are you using?  It's possible that if you have specific 
Firewalls enabled that this is restricting continuity features.  Also, are 
you getting any notifications when attempting to enable continuity between 
devices.  Usually, for Text Message forwarding and such, notifications are 
sent between devices if it takes.  That is, a confirmation dialog is sent to 
allow/disallow the continuity connection.  If this confirmation is not 
sent/received, then the relationship is not approved, thus continuity is not 
actually enabled.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2015, at 09:43, Shaf  wrote:

Done, and still doesn't work.

On 7/11/2015 4:31 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

In FaceTime and iMessage, try with only the phone number as the active 
part of your Apple ID.  That is, on your iPhone, iPad and Mac, check or 
deselect the blahb...@icloud.com address, with only your phone number 
selected.  It works on my devices that way, on my wife's devices and 
others that I've assisted with.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2015, at 07:25, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

There are really two separate components to “Continuity”, but both require 
iCloud.  They differ in how they use the network.


For iMessage SMS and FaceTime phone-call proxying, the devices just need 
Wi-Fi proximity and access to the same iCloud account.  In my experience 
this part is reliable—certainly absent other iCloud issues, anyroad.  Just 
look for the settings to set it up in the Settings app or in System 
Preferences.  It’s not all that intuitive.


The rest of Continuity, the so-called “Handoff” feature, and AirDrop and 
Hotspot, are in my experience (and it seems that of many others) the far 
more fragile part.  It uses iCloud, as well as Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy 
(which some hardware simply doesn’t have).  Wi-Fi on Macs requires dual 
association and is only supported by certain adaptors, but because of a 
design problem in the chipsets, frequently fails.  In my opinion, it’s not 
only not worth worrying about these features since they can generally be 
made up for with a bit of extra effort, but in any event they are so 
unreliable as to be of no real practical use.




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Re: Continuity just doesn't work

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I figured as much it wouldn't.

There is something a lot of you though have not! considerred.  How many of 
us are doing this behind a router?  I doubt it very seriously, but I wonder 
if maybe all of us are having some ports which need to be opened/forwarded. 
Or maybe something somewhere else in our network is blocking it.  Again, 
seeing my IPad works flawlessly for the most part, I say it's very very 
unlikely the case, but, I can't think of anything else.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Shaf" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: Continuity just doesn't work


Done, and still doesn't work.

On 7/11/2015 4:31 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

In FaceTime and iMessage, try with only the phone number as the active 
part of your Apple ID.  That is, on your iPhone, iPad and Mac, check or 
deselect the blahb...@icloud.com address, with only your phone number 
selected.  It works on my devices that way, on my wife's devices and 
others that I've assisted with.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2015, at 07:25, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

There are really two separate components to “Continuity”, but both require 
iCloud.  They differ in how they use the network.


For iMessage SMS and FaceTime phone-call proxying, the devices just need 
Wi-Fi proximity and access to the same iCloud account.  In my experience 
this part is reliable—certainly absent other iCloud issues, anyroad.  Just 
look for the settings to set it up in the Settings app or in System 
Preferences.  It’s not all that intuitive.


The rest of Continuity, the so-called “Handoff” feature, and AirDrop and 
Hotspot, are in my experience (and it seems that of many others) the far 
more fragile part.  It uses iCloud, as well as Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy 
(which some hardware simply doesn’t have).  Wi-Fi on Macs requires dual 
association and is only supported by certain adaptors, but because of a 
design problem in the chipsets, frequently fails.  In my opinion, it’s not 
only not worth worrying about these features since they can generally be 
made up for with a bit of extra effort, but in any event they are so 
unreliable as to be of no real practical use.




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Re: Continuity just doesn't work

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK.  I'll give that a shot.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Kilburn" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Continuity just doesn't work


Hi,

In FaceTime and iMessage, try with only the phone number as the active part 
of your Apple ID.  That is, on your iPhone, iPad and Mac, check or deselect 
the blahb...@icloud.com address, with only your phone number selected.  It 
works on my devices that way, on my wife's devices and others that I've 
assisted with.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2015, at 07:25, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

There are really two separate components to “Continuity”, but both require 
iCloud.  They differ in how they use the network.


For iMessage SMS and FaceTime phone-call proxying, the devices just need 
Wi-Fi proximity and access to the same iCloud account.  In my experience 
this part is reliable—certainly absent other iCloud issues, anyroad.  Just 
look for the settings to set it up in the Settings app or in System 
Preferences.  It’s not all that intuitive.


The rest of Continuity, the so-called “Handoff” feature, and AirDrop and 
Hotspot, are in my experience (and it seems that of many others) the far 
more fragile part.  It uses iCloud, as well as Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy 
(which some hardware simply doesn’t have).  Wi-Fi on Macs requires dual 
association and is only supported by certain adaptors, but because of a 
design problem in the chipsets, frequently fails.  In my opinion, it’s not 
only not worth worrying about these features since they can generally be 
made up for with a bit of extra effort, but in any event they are so 
unreliable as to be of no real practical use.


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Re: Continuity just doesn't work

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You're correct.  I can get the part with IMessage and what not to work, it's 
jsut making and receiving calls from my mac which is finnicky as hell! 
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.  Usually more than not, it 
doesn't.  Sometimes it works on one of my macs, yet not another.  It's just 
very very mixed result.


Now, this being said, I have an IPad Air 1st gen, 32GB wifi only, and 
believe it or not, making and receiving calls with Continuity/handoff  on 
that unit is pretty much rock solid.  Go figure.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Continuity just doesn't work


There are really two separate components to “Continuity”, but both require 
iCloud.  They differ in how they use the network.


For iMessage SMS and FaceTime phone-call proxying, the devices just need 
Wi-Fi proximity and access to the same iCloud account.  In my experience 
this part is reliable—certainly absent other iCloud issues, anyroad.  Just 
look for the settings to set it up in the Settings app or in System 
Preferences.  It’s not all that intuitive.


The rest of Continuity, the so-called “Handoff” feature, and AirDrop and 
Hotspot, are in my experience (and it seems that of many others) the far 
more fragile part.  It uses iCloud, as well as Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy 
(which some hardware simply doesn’t have).  Wi-Fi on Macs requires dual 
association and is only supported by certain adaptors, but because of a 
design problem in the chipsets, frequently fails.  In my opinion, it’s not 
only not worth worrying about these features since they can generally be 
made up for with a bit of extra effort, but in any event they are so 
unreliable as to be of no real practical use.


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Re: Sorry if OT

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Not so over here on my 6+, but that's all I can say.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Anders Holmberg" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 8:54 AM
Subject: Sorry if OT


Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least 
on my iPod touch.



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Re: Introduction and some questions

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I just used the documentation that came with the app.  I found it to be more 
than sufficient.  It said to read it before getting started, so I took their 
advice and did so.  It took me about an hour or so to get through it, but it 
was worth it.


Yes, I do add folders and files underneath.  That is the whole idea behind 
scribiner.  Were you under the impression that this was a word processor? 
It's not!  I mean, it is in a sense, but not really.  This is made more for 
writers as myself who need software to help them compile their ideas for 
their books, etc.  Yes, I do use the inspector, but it would be entirely too 
much to teach you everything about it over an e-mail.  I really really do 
think your best bet is going to be to open up that interactive getting 
started guide that comes with the app, and just go through it at your own 
pace, like I did.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dewald Gmail" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Introduction and some questions


Hi Chris. I guess it's just navigating around the complex interface. Do 
you use keyboard shortcuts to jump from the table to the text etc?

I think it's probably just different to use than a normal word processor.
If you can just explain what you put in the table. Do you add folders or 
headings in the table and then scenes underneath?

How do you use it?
And do you use the inspector?
Is there any training material online that helped you?
I know there's the "Learn Scrivener fast" but it's very expensive and not 
sure if the video's are worth "listening" too.


Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I do indeed use Scribiner.

Can I help you with anything specifically?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Dewald Gmail" 


To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:21 AM
Subject: Introduction and some questions



Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa.
Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list.
I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology.
I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal 
on Best Buy.

I was still in the US by that time.
Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but 
yet, I have turned my back on Windows for good.


When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 
system dialogues".

And it will repeat it a couple of times.
Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues.

What is this?

About the notification center:
do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a 
way for it to do it automatically?


Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or 
what, but like using something that doesn't even need a connection it 
will say busy busy busy, ready. Very irritating.


They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound.
So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, 
then release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can 
hold in the command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between 
windows.


And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it 
possible and can someone email me off-list to help.


Thank you very very much for any help.
I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it.
Just a short amuzing story.
I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
printer, copier and scanner.
I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print 
something.
I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried 
to install it, it ended up giving me an error.
While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, 
the machine was spitting out paper.

I was dum-founded.
You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?
That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with 
Voiceover.

Amazing!

Thank you,
God bless,
Dewald.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Sorry if OT

[christopher hallsworth]

According to the FAQ, which you can read at
beta.apple.com
no features or bugs, unless publicly disclosed by Apple, shall be discussed 
with anyone not signed up to the public beta program or not running the public 
beta. That's the jist of it, anyway. So the short answer is no.


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> On 11 Jul 2015, at 20:06, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
> Thanks.
> /A
>> 11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :
>> 
>> Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
>> fixed pretty soon.
>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least on 
>>> my iPod touch. 
>>> 
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Re: Safari stuck on Busy

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks much. 

One message I did get had something to do with Adobe Flash player and a video. 
I’ll try clearing history and private browsing. I don’t have a lot of extras 
with Safari in part because I just have no real need for them at this point.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Jul 11, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Dear Janine,
> 
> It might help to "clear history and private data" in the safari menu.  
> Sometimes there's a lot of junk accumulated in  your browser.  Also, have you 
> got lots of extensions in Safari?  On a different note, Safari is much more 
> sluggish in Yosemite compared to the previous operating system.  Let's hope 
> El Capitan is going to change this.
>> On 11 Jul 2015, at 01:53, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve been having an issue with Safari for probably a few weeks now at least. 
>> 
>> When I start Safari, it is supposed to go to the FaceBook mobile site. Today 
>> this took forever and it never did complete the load. It kept saying 90%.
>> 
>> When I click on a link or type in a web address, Safari will say “Busy and 
>> stay there. 
>> 
>> Someone told me to reboot my router which I will try tomorrow but is there 
>> anything else I can do? 
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: Sorry if OT

[Barry Hadder]

Anything that Apple has made publicly available can be discussed.  All of there 
WWDC sessions are open to the public.  The following was amended to the Apple 
developer confidentiality agreement last year:
 Further, Apple agrees that you will not be bound by the foregoing 
confidentiality terms with regard to technical information about Apple pre- 
release software, services and/or hardware disclosed by Apple at WWDC (Apple’s 
Worldwide Developers Conference), except that you may not post screen shots of, 
write public reviews of, or redistribute any such materials.

So, it is a lot looser than it use to be.

Also, if there is an NDA in place for something prerelease, you should see the 
following at the beginning and end of the release notes:
THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE IS UNDER NON-DISCLOSURE

Just don’t post screen shots or distribute any binaries.
Read your legal agreements carefully.

If in Doubt, the developer forms are also a very useful resource for discussing 
issues with the betas.


On Jul 11, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

There are undoubtedly many places where you can discuss the public beta. Look 
at all the publications that are out with various articles about how well or 
not well things are working thus far. But on these lists, no go. I wonder why 
they make people sign and NDA for a public beta which literally anyone with an 
eye device can download.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:34 PM, george b  wrote:
> 
> no
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 12:07
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sorry if OT
> 
> Hi!
> Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
> Thanks.
> /A
>> 11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :
>> 
>> Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
>> fixed pretty soon.
>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
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>>> my iPod touch. 
>>> 
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Re: Safari stuck on Busy

[Andrew Lamanche]

Dear Janine,

It might help to "clear history and private data" in the safari menu.  
Sometimes there's a lot of junk accumulated in  your browser.  Also, have you 
got lots of extensions in Safari?  On a different note, Safari is much more 
sluggish in Yosemite compared to the previous operating system.  Let's hope El 
Capitan is going to change this.
> On 11 Jul 2015, at 01:53, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been having an issue with Safari for probably a few weeks now at least. 
> 
> When I start Safari, it is supposed to go to the FaceBook mobile site. Today 
> this took forever and it never did complete the load. It kept saying 90%.
> 
> When I click on a link or type in a web address, Safari will say “Busy and 
> stay there. 
> 
> Someone told me to reboot my router which I will try tomorrow but is there 
> anything else I can do? 
> 
> Thanks.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: Continuity just doesn't work

[Shaf]

Airport Extreme, no major firewalls installed.


On 7/11/2015 6:55 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

What kind of router are you using?  It's possible that if you have specific 
Firewalls enabled that this is restricting continuity features.  Also, are you 
getting any notifications when attempting to enable continuity between devices. 
 Usually, for Text Message forwarding and such, notifications are sent between 
devices if it takes.  That is, a confirmation dialog is sent to allow/disallow 
the continuity connection.  If this confirmation is not sent/received, then the 
relationship is not approved, thus continuity is not actually enabled.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2015, at 09:43, Shaf  wrote:

Done, and still doesn't work.

On 7/11/2015 4:31 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

In FaceTime and iMessage, try with only the phone number as the active part of 
your Apple ID.  That is, on your iPhone, iPad and Mac, check or deselect the 
blahb...@icloud.com address, with only your phone number selected.  It works on 
my devices that way, on my wife's devices and others that I've assisted with.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2015, at 07:25, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

There are really two separate components to “Continuity”, but both require 
iCloud.  They differ in how they use the network.

For iMessage SMS and FaceTime phone-call proxying, the devices just need Wi-Fi 
proximity and access to the same iCloud account.  In my experience this part is 
reliable—certainly absent other iCloud issues, anyroad.  Just look for the 
settings to set it up in the Settings app or in System Preferences.  It’s not 
all that intuitive.

The rest of Continuity, the so-called “Handoff” feature, and AirDrop and 
Hotspot, are in my experience (and it seems that of many others) the far more 
fragile part.  It uses iCloud, as well as Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy (which some 
hardware simply doesn’t have).  Wi-Fi on Macs requires dual association and is 
only supported by certain adaptors, but because of a design problem in the 
chipsets, frequently fails.  In my opinion, it’s not only not worth worrying 
about these features since they can generally be made up for with a bit of 
extra effort, but in any event they are so unreliable as to be of no real 
practical use.



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Re: Sorry if OT

[Mary Otten]

There are undoubtedly many places where you can discuss the public beta. Look 
at all the publications that are out with various articles about how well or 
not well things are working thus far. But on these lists, no go. I wonder why 
they make people sign and NDA for a public beta which literally anyone with an 
eye device can download.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:34 PM, george b  wrote:
> 
> no
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 12:07
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sorry if OT
> 
> Hi!
> Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
> Thanks.
> /A
>> 11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :
>> 
>> Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
>> fixed pretty soon.
>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least on 
>>> my iPod touch. 
>>> 
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RE: Sorry if OT

[george b]

no

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 12:07
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT

Hi!
Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
Thanks.
/A
> 11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :
> 
> Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
> fixed pretty soon.
>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least on 
>> my iPod touch. 
>> 
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Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod

[Stacey Robinson]

The messages send me back errors.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:09 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, let's approach it this way...
>  
> What exactly happens when you attempt to send an outgoing message.  Please be 
> as specific as possible.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Stacey Robinson 
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod
>> 
>> I can’t seem to get messages to work.
>> iMessage is on and facetime is too.
>> What am I doing wrong?
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let me know if you need further help.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Stacey Robinson 
 To: Macvisionaries 
 Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:33 AM
 Subject: Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod
 
 Thanks Chris,
 I’ll check these settings.
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> On Jul 9, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> No, you don't need the e-mail addresses in your phone that you're sending 
> to, necessarily.  It would be helpful, yes, but it's not a requirement.
>  
> What they're saying is, you need to go into settings, then Messages, and 
> be sure that IMessage is turned on, and that it is set to your e-mail 
> address for your outgoing messages instead of being set to your old phone 
> number.  I'll betcha it still is trying to send from your old number, and 
> that's probably why it's not working.  Also, be sure obviously that you 
> are connected to your wifi.  Otherwise, again, it won't work.
>  
> Also, I'd make sure that Facetime is signed in, and that you are set for 
> outgoing calls to be sent from your e-mail address, and not your old 
> phone number.  That's under Settings, Facetime.  I know you might not 
> ever use! Facetime, but trust me with this.  It is so tightly integraded 
> with IMessage, that you probably will want to confirm this as well.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Stacey Robinson 
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 9:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: Using your iPhone as an iPod
>> 
>> Ok, so I need to make sure I have all email addresses in my phone.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 8:31 PM, Pamela Francis >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I have been doing the same thing for quite a while. My iPhone is now my 
>>> iPod/Web viewer etc. you can still use iMessage or FaceTime with your 
>>> email address. 
>>> 
>>> Pam Francis
>>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Stacey Robinson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am now just using my iPhone 5S like an iPod.
>>> I was getting dropped calls all the time. I’d be listening or talking 
>>> and the phone would just drop the call.
>>> I went to the apple store and we thought it was fixed.
>>> I am unable to send iMessages from my phone but messages is on. How do 
>>> I make iMessage work on a phone when I’m not using the phone part of it?
>>> 
>>> Blessings,
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
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Re: Sorry if OT

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Is there anywhere we can  discuss the public beta?
Thanks.
/A
> 11 juli 2015 kl. 19:18 skrev Devin Prater :
> 
> Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
> fixed pretty soon.
>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least on 
>> my iPod touch. 
>> 
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Re: Continuity just doesn't work

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

What kind of router are you using?  It's possible that if you have specific 
Firewalls enabled that this is restricting continuity features.  Also, are you 
getting any notifications when attempting to enable continuity between devices. 
 Usually, for Text Message forwarding and such, notifications are sent between 
devices if it takes.  That is, a confirmation dialog is sent to allow/disallow 
the continuity connection.  If this confirmation is not sent/received, then the 
relationship is not approved, thus continuity is not actually enabled.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2015, at 09:43, Shaf  wrote:

Done, and still doesn't work.

On 7/11/2015 4:31 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> In FaceTime and iMessage, try with only the phone number as the active part 
> of your Apple ID.  That is, on your iPhone, iPad and Mac, check or deselect 
> the blahb...@icloud.com address, with only your phone number selected.  It 
> works on my devices that way, on my wife's devices and others that I've 
> assisted with.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 07:25, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> There are really two separate components to “Continuity”, but both require 
> iCloud.  They differ in how they use the network.
> 
> For iMessage SMS and FaceTime phone-call proxying, the devices just need 
> Wi-Fi proximity and access to the same iCloud account.  In my experience this 
> part is reliable—certainly absent other iCloud issues, anyroad.  Just look 
> for the settings to set it up in the Settings app or in System Preferences.  
> It’s not all that intuitive.
> 
> The rest of Continuity, the so-called “Handoff” feature, and AirDrop and 
> Hotspot, are in my experience (and it seems that of many others) the far more 
> fragile part.  It uses iCloud, as well as Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy (which 
> some hardware simply doesn’t have).  Wi-Fi on Macs requires dual association 
> and is only supported by certain adaptors, but because of a design problem in 
> the chipsets, frequently fails.  In my opinion, it’s not only not worth 
> worrying about these features since they can generally be made up for with a 
> bit of extra effort, but in any event they are so unreliable as to be of no 
> real practical use.
> 

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Re: textDetective versus knfbReader

[Todor Fassl]

Well, I went ahead and bought the knfbReader so I will be able to do a 
comparison.  So far all I have done is to confirm that neither can read 
the blue screen of death on a Windows computer. I also put a linux 
computer into character mode and neither could read that screen either. 
That is really what I wanted it for.  But having something to read paper 
documents will be handy as well.


By the way, if you are curious, I artificially created the blue screen 
of death in a Windows virtual machine.  I don't actually have ablue 
screen of death right now.


On 07/10/2015 04:38 PM, Phil Halton wrote:

Personally, I think this list is for all things Apple, iPhones computers 
tablets whatever even now with the I watch. Should've would've could've, I 
consider asking questions on this list the form of research anyway. I 
appreciate the question because I'm thinking of buying KNFB myself. Anybody out 
there have some constructive thoughts on this question?


Sent from my IPhone



On Jul 10, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Shaf  wrote:

Surely this should be a topic for Viphone rather than Macvisionaries?
None of these apps are available for Mac.

Anyway, to address your topic, yes KNFB Reader is a lot better. But you should 
have researched that.

On 7/10/2015 8:51 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:
KnfbReader is on sale today for $75. The normal price is $99. Is knfbReader 
worth $75? I already own a license for textDetective. But I've heard that 
knfbReader is much better. Is that true?

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RE: Sorry if OT

[george b]

Are not to be talking about 9 to the public

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On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 10:18
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sorry if OT

Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
fixed pretty soon.
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least on 
> my iPod touch. 
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Re: Sorry if OT

[Devin Prater]

Its a tiny bit sluggish, but its just like iOS 8.0 or so. I figure it’ll be 
fixed pretty soon.
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> my iPod touch. 
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Re: Continuity just doesn't work

[Shaf]

Done, and still doesn't work.

On 7/11/2015 4:31 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

In FaceTime and iMessage, try with only the phone number as the active part of 
your Apple ID.  That is, on your iPhone, iPad and Mac, check or deselect the 
blahb...@icloud.com address, with only your phone number selected.  It works on 
my devices that way, on my wife's devices and others that I've assisted with.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2015, at 07:25, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

There are really two separate components to “Continuity”, but both require 
iCloud.  They differ in how they use the network.

For iMessage SMS and FaceTime phone-call proxying, the devices just need Wi-Fi 
proximity and access to the same iCloud account.  In my experience this part is 
reliable—certainly absent other iCloud issues, anyroad.  Just look for the 
settings to set it up in the Settings app or in System Preferences.  It’s not 
all that intuitive.

The rest of Continuity, the so-called “Handoff” feature, and AirDrop and 
Hotspot, are in my experience (and it seems that of many others) the far more 
fragile part.  It uses iCloud, as well as Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy (which some 
hardware simply doesn’t have).  Wi-Fi on Macs requires dual association and is 
only supported by certain adaptors, but because of a design problem in the 
chipsets, frequently fails.  In my opinion, it’s not only not worth worrying 
about these features since they can generally be made up for with a bit of 
extra effort, but in any event they are so unreliable as to be of no real 
practical use.



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Re: Continuity just doesn't work

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

In FaceTime and iMessage, try with only the phone number as the active part of 
your Apple ID.  That is, on your iPhone, iPad and Mac, check or deselect the 
blahb...@icloud.com address, with only your phone number selected.  It works on 
my devices that way, on my wife's devices and others that I've assisted with.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2015, at 07:25, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

There are really two separate components to “Continuity”, but both require 
iCloud.  They differ in how they use the network.

For iMessage SMS and FaceTime phone-call proxying, the devices just need Wi-Fi 
proximity and access to the same iCloud account.  In my experience this part is 
reliable—certainly absent other iCloud issues, anyroad.  Just look for the 
settings to set it up in the Settings app or in System Preferences.  It’s not 
all that intuitive.

The rest of Continuity, the so-called “Handoff” feature, and AirDrop and 
Hotspot, are in my experience (and it seems that of many others) the far more 
fragile part.  It uses iCloud, as well as Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy (which some 
hardware simply doesn’t have).  Wi-Fi on Macs requires dual association and is 
only supported by certain adaptors, but because of a design problem in the 
chipsets, frequently fails.  In my opinion, it’s not only not worth worrying 
about these features since they can generally be made up for with a bit of 
extra effort, but in any event they are so unreliable as to be of no real 
practical use.

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Plantaronics backbeat go2

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all
Does anyone try this bluetooth headset?

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Pairing Braille Sense Plus

[Jesus Garcia]

Yep it is apparently there are a number of issues with the latest Braille sense 
update. Another is to be found in the NLS download section, if you check 
automatic login the machine will hang and you must press the reset button. 
Again thanks for the help.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Rachel Feinberg
Sent: July 11, 2015 09:43
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pairing Braille Sense Plus

Make sure bluetooth is on, and you can do this by pressing backspace+th.

On 7/11/2015 5:03 AM, Jesus Garcia wrote:
> Sorry the Braille sense plus was what I updated.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: July 10, 2015 22:25
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pairing Braille Sense Plus
>
>  Update for what? The BSP or the iPhone?
>
>   From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
>
> On 7/10/2015 6:29 PM, Jesus Garcia wrote:
>> Thank you, I was missing one step. However does anyone on the list know if 
>> with the latest update something happened to the terminal for screen reader 
>> mode? It does not seem to be activating on my machine and it was this 
>> morning prior to the update.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rachel Feinberg
>> Sent: July 10, 2015 21:03
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Pairing Braille Sense Plus
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> First, put your Braille Sense Plus in terminal for screen reader mode by 
>> doing the following:
>> Go to the utilities menu by pressing "u" from the main menu, and press "S" 
>> for "terminal for screen reader".
>> You'll be presented with a list of options, choose "bluetooth serial port" 
>> and press enter.
>> The unit will say "connecting..." and eventually, "terminal mode". Now, 
>> you're ready to go to your phone.
>> Go to settings>general>accessibility>voiceover>braille and scroll to the 
>> bottom of the screen where it will say "choose a braille display".
>> You should see "Braille Sense Plus not paired", at this point, double-tap on 
>> this, and in a couple seconds, you'll be presented with a text field, in 
>> which you can type in 4 digits for the pin code. They can be any 4 you want, 
>> and when you press the pair button in the right-hand corner of your screen, 
>> the message "pin code:" should appear on your Braille Sense's display.
>> Enter in the same digits you put in on your phone without any number sign, 
>> and in nemeth braille code. Press dot 8, (enter), and in a second or 2, your 
>> unit and your phone should pair successfully.
>> Rachel.
>> On 7/10/2015 7:27 AM, Jesus Garcia wrote:
>>> Morning list members, I seem to have forgotten how to pair my 
>>> Braille Sense plus with my iPhone 5s running 8.4 can someone point 
>>> me to a write up or podcast? thank you.
>>>
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Re: Pairing Braille Sense Plus

[Rachel Feinberg]

Make sure bluetooth is on, and you can do this by pressing backspace+th.

On 7/11/2015 5:03 AM, Jesus Garcia wrote:

Sorry the Braille sense plus was what I updated.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: July 10, 2015 22:25
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pairing Braille Sense Plus

 Update for what? The BSP or the iPhone?

  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 7/10/2015 6:29 PM, Jesus Garcia wrote:

Thank you, I was missing one step. However does anyone on the list know if with 
the latest update something happened to the terminal for screen reader mode? It 
does not seem to be activating on my machine and it was this morning prior to 
the update.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rachel Feinberg
Sent: July 10, 2015 21:03
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pairing Braille Sense Plus

Hello,

First, put your Braille Sense Plus in terminal for screen reader mode by doing 
the following:
Go to the utilities menu by pressing "u" from the main menu, and press "S" for 
"terminal for screen reader".
You'll be presented with a list of options, choose "bluetooth serial port" and 
press enter.
The unit will say "connecting..." and eventually, "terminal mode". Now, you're 
ready to go to your phone.
Go to settings>general>accessibility>voiceover>braille and scroll to the bottom of the 
screen where it will say "choose a braille display".
You should see "Braille Sense Plus not paired", at this point, double-tap on this, and in 
a couple seconds, you'll be presented with a text field, in which you can type in 4 digits for the 
pin code. They can be any 4 you want, and when you press the pair button in the right-hand corner 
of your screen, the message "pin code:" should appear on your Braille Sense's display.
Enter in the same digits you put in on your phone without any number sign, and 
in nemeth braille code. Press dot 8, (enter), and in a second or 2, your unit 
and your phone should pair successfully.
Rachel.
On 7/10/2015 7:27 AM, Jesus Garcia wrote:

Morning list members, I seem to have forgotten how to pair my Braille
Sense plus with my iPhone 5s running 8.4 can someone point me to a
write up or podcast? thank you.


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Re: Continuity just doesn't work

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

There are really two separate components to “Continuity”, but both require 
iCloud.  They differ in how they use the network.

For iMessage SMS and FaceTime phone-call proxying, the devices just need Wi-Fi 
proximity and access to the same iCloud account.  In my experience this part is 
reliable—certainly absent other iCloud issues, anyroad.  Just look for the 
settings to set it up in the Settings app or in System Preferences.  It’s not 
all that intuitive.

The rest of Continuity, the so-called “Handoff” feature, and AirDrop and 
Hotspot, are in my experience (and it seems that of many others) the far more 
fragile part.  It uses iCloud, as well as Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy (which some 
hardware simply doesn’t have).  Wi-Fi on Macs requires dual association and is 
only supported by certain adaptors, but because of a design problem in the 
chipsets, frequently fails.  In my opinion, it’s not only not worth worrying 
about these features since they can generally be made up for with a bit of 
extra effort, but in any event they are so unreliable as to be of no real 
practical use.

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Sorry if OT

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi.as someone noticed that our US 9 to beta  is quite sluggish. At least on my 
iPod touch. 


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Re: Continuity just doesn't work

[Shaf]

Everybody should just throw away their Apple devices and switch to Nokia 
and Windows 95.


But seriously, I've even reformatted and restored every single device 
with no luck. I guess it's a feature Apple need to fix.




On 7/11/2015 6:22 AM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:

Chris,
It has never worked for me either despite trying everything, so I've just given 
up on it.
You're not alone. Apple just works right? haha Not always. I've stopped 
worrying about it, as life is simply too short.
Lisette


On 11/07/2015, at 1:26 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Tim, we have actually already tried every single one of your suggestions, and 
are getting absolutely nowhere.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Continuity just doesn't work


Hi,

Not that this helps your situation at all, but the inability to convince Apple 
that Continuity is broken is likely due to the fact that it isn't. Text 
forwarding and Continuity calling works flawlessly for me.  Even at work when I 
have my MBP plugged into ethernet, iPhone connected to enterprise WiFi, I could 
be off in a different part of the building with each unit connected to 
different network closets, and continuity calling works perfect.

I suggest that you disable all the continuity features, then re-enable them one 
at a time confirming that each works prior to moving on.  If it does not apply, 
then try with a different unit, thus determining where the issues may be.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 9, 2015, at 15:17, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

I have tried and tried and tried and tried and tried, and tried! to convince 
Apple that Continuity was broken, as I have the same issue with calling and 
receiving calls via my IPhone with continuity on my mac.  99% of the time, it 
doesn't work.  I think I've gotten it to work, maybe once?  And the one time I 
did, the volume level was horrifficly quiet, and I couldn't find any way to 
turn it up, either.

Good luck figuring this out, but admittedly, I'm not very optymistic at this 
point.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Shaf" 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 5:07 PM
Subject: Continuity just doesn't work



Hi

So I've followed the instructions on Apple's KB article on setting up 
Continuity, but it just won't work.
I have the option enabled on all devices, Bluetooth is enabled, everything on 
same wi-fi network, all signed into the same iCloud account. When I'm writing 
mail on Mac for example, I don't see a Continuity icon on iPhone's App Switcher 
even though both devices are enabled.
Any suggestions? I've tried logging out and into iCloud and resetting devices 
but nothing.

Another issue I have is with Text Message Forwarding: on iPhone under Settings > 
Messages > Text Message Forwarding, it's only showing 1 Mac when I have two Macs 
set up. I have all devices set up to use my phone number and Apple ID, but only the 
most recent device to login to iMessage is shown. So if I disable a Mac's iMessage 
account then re-enable, that device only shows and same with the other Mac. Apple 
support have been useless. Any suggestions or fixes would be hugely appreciated.


-Shaf

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RE: Pairing Braille Sense Plus

[Jesus Garcia]

Sorry the Braille sense plus was what I updated.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: July 10, 2015 22:25
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pairing Braille Sense Plus

Update for what? The BSP or the iPhone?

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 7/10/2015 6:29 PM, Jesus Garcia wrote:
> Thank you, I was missing one step. However does anyone on the list know if 
> with the latest update something happened to the terminal for screen reader 
> mode? It does not seem to be activating on my machine and it was this morning 
> prior to the update.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rachel Feinberg
> Sent: July 10, 2015 21:03
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pairing Braille Sense Plus
>
> Hello,
>
> First, put your Braille Sense Plus in terminal for screen reader mode by 
> doing the following:
> Go to the utilities menu by pressing "u" from the main menu, and press "S" 
> for "terminal for screen reader".
> You'll be presented with a list of options, choose "bluetooth serial port" 
> and press enter.
> The unit will say "connecting..." and eventually, "terminal mode". Now, 
> you're ready to go to your phone.
> Go to settings>general>accessibility>voiceover>braille and scroll to the 
> bottom of the screen where it will say "choose a braille display".
> You should see "Braille Sense Plus not paired", at this point, double-tap on 
> this, and in a couple seconds, you'll be presented with a text field, in 
> which you can type in 4 digits for the pin code. They can be any 4 you want, 
> and when you press the pair button in the right-hand corner of your screen, 
> the message "pin code:" should appear on your Braille Sense's display.
> Enter in the same digits you put in on your phone without any number sign, 
> and in nemeth braille code. Press dot 8, (enter), and in a second or 2, your 
> unit and your phone should pair successfully.
> Rachel.
> On 7/10/2015 7:27 AM, Jesus Garcia wrote:
>> Morning list members, I seem to have forgotten how to pair my Braille 
>> Sense plus with my iPhone 5s running 8.4 can someone point me to a 
>> write up or podcast? thank you.
>>
>
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Re: improvements in eclipse accessibility

[Sean Murphy]

Guys,

What packages do you need to install these editors?

Sean 
> On 11 Jul 2015, at 5:45 pm, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hey Juan,
> 
> That’s great news. I’ll stick to using eclim as I like my vim commands, but 
> this will definetely be a nice addition for everyone who wants to use eclipse 
> for uni courses.
> 
> For the auto completion bit, if you do vo f2 twice and pull up the window, go 
> to the last element of said window and you will get to the correct list of 
> suggestions. I know this is long and tedious to do for each auto completion 
> session, which is why I suggested the applescript. There might be a better 
> method for this, such as a new feature on el capitan but I haven’t tested it 
> out yet.
> 
> There might, alternatively, be a way to get rid of that description window to 
> force vo focus directly onto the list of suggestions.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
>> On 11/07/2015, at 3:30 PM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I just downloaded the eclipse side version 4.5, mars.  and was rather 
>> supervised when I saw that now the editor area is now accessible.  This 
>> makes the ride usable now.  I am still trying to figure out how to get 
>> autocorrection working.  There is an issue when you type something like 
>> ‘System.’ and when you hit the period the autocorrect kicks in.  usually one 
>> just uses down/up arrows to view the different classes and such.  This is 
>> the case, but when you move through the list of classes/methods/properties 
>> etc, it automatically placeless you in the html viewer window to read the 
>> details of what that particular selected item does, and how it does what it 
>> does.  usually you hit the tab key to get to that help info when browsing 
>> the list if one needs more info on a particular item.
>> 
>> But this is really  great news for those of you that use it.
>> 
>> If anyone has any info, I’d love to hear it to fix the issue I’m having, or 
>> any other tips/tricks.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Juan
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Re: Introduction and some questions

[Edward Green]

Hi Dewald,

Good to have you on the list.

The Mac often displays warning messages in what Voiceover describes as System 
Dialogs.  These can range from backups not having been performed for a few 
days, through to low battery notifications.  In short, they’re worth dealing 
with.

In order to get to them, press VO f1 f1, or in other words, hold down control 
and option, and press f1 twice quickly.  This will put you in a list of running 
applications, use the up and down arrows until you hear ‘system dialog’.  
Pressing enter will put you in a list of the various system dialogs you have 
running, press enter on one of them and explore it using VO left and right 
arrows.  Note that the buttons to dismiss them (often close or ok) can appear 
at either the far left or far right of the dialog, depending on what the dialog 
is.

Cheers,

Ed
> On 11 Jul 2015, at 08:21, Dewald Gmail  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa. 
> Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list. 
> I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology. 
> I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal on 
> Best Buy. 
> I was still in the US by that time. 
> Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but yet, 
> I have turned my back on Windows for good. 
> 
> When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 system 
> dialogues".
> And it will repeat it a couple of times.
> Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues. 
> 
> What is this?
> 
> About the notification center: 
> do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a way 
> for it to do it automatically? 
> 
> Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or what, 
> but like using something that doesn't even need a connection it will say busy 
> busy busy, ready. Very irritating. 
> 
> They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
> Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound. 
> So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, then 
> release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can hold in the 
> command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between windows. 
> 
> And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it possible 
> and can someone email me off-list to help.
> 
> Thank you very very much for any help. 
> I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it. 
> Just a short amuzing story. 
> I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
> printer, copier and scanner. 
> I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print something. 
> I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried to 
> install it, it ended up giving me an error. 
> While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
> connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, the 
> machine was spitting out paper. 
> I was dum-founded. 
> You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?  
> That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with Voiceover. 
> Amazing! 
> 
> Thank you,
> God bless, 
> Dewald. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Introduction and some questions

[Dewald Gmail]

Hi Chris. I guess it's just navigating around the complex interface. Do you use 
keyboard shortcuts to jump from the table to the text etc? 
I think it's probably just different to use than a normal word processor. 
If you can just explain what you put in the table. Do you add folders or 
headings in the table and then scenes underneath? 
How do you use it?
And do you use the inspector?
Is there any training material online that helped you?
I know there's the "Learn Scrivener fast" but it's very expensive and not sure 
if the video's are worth "listening" too. 

Thanks.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> I do indeed use Scribiner.
> 
> Can I help you with anything specifically?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dewald Gmail" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:21 AM
> Subject: Introduction and some questions
> 
> 
>> Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa.
>> Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list.
>> I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology.
>> I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal on 
>> Best Buy.
>> I was still in the US by that time.
>> Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but 
>> yet, I have turned my back on Windows for good.
>> 
>> When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 system 
>> dialogues".
>> And it will repeat it a couple of times.
>> Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues.
>> 
>> What is this?
>> 
>> About the notification center:
>> do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a way 
>> for it to do it automatically?
>> 
>> Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or what, 
>> but like using something that doesn't even need a connection it will say 
>> busy busy busy, ready. Very irritating.
>> 
>> They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
>> Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound.
>> So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, then 
>> release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can hold in the 
>> command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between windows.
>> 
>> And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it possible 
>> and can someone email me off-list to help.
>> 
>> Thank you very very much for any help.
>> I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it.
>> Just a short amuzing story.
>> I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
>> printer, copier and scanner.
>> I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print something.
>> I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried to 
>> install it, it ended up giving me an error.
>> While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
>> connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, the 
>> machine was spitting out paper.
>> I was dum-founded.
>> You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?
>> That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with Voiceover.
>> Amazing!
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> God bless,
>> Dewald.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Introduction and some questions

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

about the notifications, you can go to your syste preferences, then you can 
shoos what kind of notifications you want to show when you receive on your 
computer. about the printinter, when i attach my epson computer to my mac, it 
automatically detects the driver and install it.
> On 11 Jul 2015, at 9:21 AM, Dewald Gmail  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa. 
> Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list. 
> I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology. 
> I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal on 
> Best Buy. 
> I was still in the US by that time. 
> Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but yet, 
> I have turned my back on Windows for good. 
> 
> When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 system 
> dialogues".
> And it will repeat it a couple of times.
> Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues. 
> 
> What is this?
> 
> About the notification center: 
> do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a way 
> for it to do it automatically? 
> 
> Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or what, 
> but like using something that doesn't even need a connection it will say busy 
> busy busy, ready. Very irritating. 
> 
> They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
> Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound. 
> So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, then 
> release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can hold in the 
> command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between windows. 
> 
> And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it possible 
> and can someone email me off-list to help.
> 
> Thank you very very much for any help. 
> I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it. 
> Just a short amuzing story. 
> I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
> printer, copier and scanner. 
> I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print something. 
> I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried to 
> install it, it ended up giving me an error. 
> While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
> connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, the 
> machine was spitting out paper. 
> I was dum-founded. 
> You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?  
> That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with Voiceover. 
> Amazing! 
> 
> Thank you,
> God bless, 
> Dewald. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: Introduction and some questions

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I do indeed use Scribiner.

Can I help you with anything specifically?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dewald Gmail" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:21 AM
Subject: Introduction and some questions



Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa.
Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list.
I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology.
I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal on 
Best Buy.

I was still in the US by that time.
Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but 
yet, I have turned my back on Windows for good.


When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 
system dialogues".

And it will repeat it a couple of times.
Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues.

What is this?

About the notification center:
do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a way 
for it to do it automatically?


Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or what, 
but like using something that doesn't even need a connection it will say 
busy busy busy, ready. Very irritating.


They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound.
So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, 
then release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can hold 
in the command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between windows.


And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it possible 
and can someone email me off-list to help.


Thank you very very much for any help.
I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it.
Just a short amuzing story.
I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
printer, copier and scanner.
I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print 
something.
I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried 
to install it, it ended up giving me an error.
While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, 
the machine was spitting out paper.

I was dum-founded.
You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?
That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with Voiceover.
Amazing!

Thank you,
God bless,
Dewald.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: improvements in eclipse accessibility

[Yuma Decaux]

Hey Juan,

That’s great news. I’ll stick to using eclim as I like my vim commands, but 
this will definetely be a nice addition for everyone who wants to use eclipse 
for uni courses.

For the auto completion bit, if you do vo f2 twice and pull up the window, go 
to the last element of said window and you will get to the correct list of 
suggestions. I know this is long and tedious to do for each auto completion 
session, which is why I suggested the applescript. There might be a better 
method for this, such as a new feature on el capitan but I haven’t tested it 
out yet.

There might, alternatively, be a way to get rid of that description window to 
force vo focus directly onto the list of suggestions.

Cheers,
  

> On 11/07/2015, at 3:30 PM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I just downloaded the eclipse side version 4.5, mars.  and was rather 
> supervised when I saw that now the editor area is now accessible.  This makes 
> the ride usable now.  I am still trying to figure out how to get 
> autocorrection working.  There is an issue when you type something like 
> ‘System.’ and when you hit the period the autocorrect kicks in.  usually one 
> just uses down/up arrows to view the different classes and such.  This is the 
> case, but when you move through the list of classes/methods/properties etc, 
> it automatically placeless you in the html viewer window to read the details 
> of what that particular selected item does, and how it does what it does.  
> usually you hit the tab key to get to that help info when browsing the list 
> if one needs more info on a particular item.
> 
> But this is really  great news for those of you that use it.
> 
> If anyone has any info, I’d love to hear it to fix the issue I’m having, or 
> any other tips/tricks.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Juan
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Tip: GB for Mac: Alert windows

[Roland Zitzke]

Hi, this is mainly a follow-up to a previous topic but it might help others 
who run into the same problem with GB, it took me quite some time to figure 
this out.

When using smart controls like the arpeggiator on an instrument track, GB 
lets you save such settings. If you then change the instrument GB will 
alert you that changes may get lost and it asks you to save them - so far 
so good.

However, this dialog is not really modal and it may well lose focus. 

In that case it looks to VO like everything is working except you cannot 
change the instrument.

The solution is trivial once you know what’s going on, just press VO+F2 
twice, select the dialog and dismiss it, you can even chose to never show 
it again.

Hope this is helpful to someone.

Roland

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Introduction and some questions

[Dewald Gmail]

Hi all. My name is Dewald. I am from South Africa. 
Jonathan Mosen recommended me to this list. 
I am a piano technician and love to tinker with technology. 
I got my first Mac in December of last year through a Black Friday deal on Best 
Buy. 
I was still in the US by that time. 
Anyway ... I have some questions, because I'm still new to using it, but yet, I 
have turned my back on Windows for good. 

When I start up my Mac, or just waking it up from sleeping, it says 3 system 
dialogues".
And it will repeat it a couple of times.
Sometimes it's 1 system dialogue, or two or three system dialogues. 

What is this?

About the notification center: 
do I have to go in there from time to time and clean up, or is there a way for 
it to do it automatically? 

Whichever app I use, I don't know if it is my internet connection or what, but 
like using something that doesn't even need a connection it will say busy busy 
busy, ready. Very irritating. 

They say you can press command-tab to switch between windows.
Mine, when i press the combination, it just makes a dunk sound. 
So I don't know if it's only me, but, I have to press the combination, then 
release, to give it time to focuss or something, and then I can hold in the 
command key and press tab repeatedly to cycle between windows. 

And last for now, do any of you use Scrivener successfully? Is it possible and 
can someone email me off-list to help.

Thank you very very much for any help. 
I am so excited about my Mac and all the things I can do with it. 
Just a short amuzing story. 
I was living with two room mates in Vancouver WA, The one guy had an HP 
printer, copier and scanner. 
I had an HP pc trying to connect to this thing, wanting to print something. 
I spent hours trying to find the right driver, and no matter how I tried to 
install it, it ended up giving me an error. 
While I was wondering what I could do, the other guy came with his Mac, 
connected it to the HP printer, and I promise you, a few seconds later, the 
machine was spitting out paper. 
I was dum-founded. 
You would think: HP to HP ... easy, right?  
That sold me to get a Mac. And also of course that it came with Voiceover. 
Amazing! 

Thank you,
God bless, 
Dewald. 

Sent from my iPhone

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