Re: Voiceover is lost for words

2015-07-25 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Don't blame you.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Voiceover is lost for words


Devon, email me off list and will talk about that. I don't want to violate 
the Nda hear more.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:

Hi all
I'm on el capitan public beta 2, and have quite a problem. So, I restarted 
my mac after having it install the update, and now VoiceOver always seems 
to stop speaking in the middle of a prompt. For example, it'll say:

Finder, list view...
No table, no currently selected item, none of that. Also, this happens 
in safari too when reading, for example, an article on AppleVis. The 
reason I bring this to your attention is that I'm wondering if this is a 
bug, a feature, or a change, or if there is a way around it without 
sacrificing the speed of the beta, even compared with the stable release.


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A Good Youtube to Mp4 Converter for Mac

2015-07-25 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hey guys. I just tried to use the Youtube converter I normally use, but every 
time I click on the download link to get it, it takes me to a website called 
add.ly. So now I'm stuck because I doubt Youtube will let us use MacTubes 
again, so the question is do you guys know of any good Youtube to MP4 
converters or any converters that will let me convert to both MP3 and MP4? I'm 
asking for MP4 because I want to watch it as well as listen to it, and I want 
to keep the video just in case they remove it. Thanks in advance.

Shawn
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Expanding a Twitter conversation in Yorufukuru

2015-07-25 Thread Edward Green
Hi,

When using yorufukuru, is there a way of reading the replies to someone’s Tweet 
in the app without having to go to the Twitter site? I’m talking about replies 
to tweets of people I follow rather than replies to me.

Cheers,

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RE: Express or extreme

2015-07-25 Thread Jesus Garcia
 

Thanks to all who have responded to my questions regarding express or extreme. 
Interesting to note that extreme supports airplay it never made sense to me 
that apple would not support airplay in there premier router. I don’t need a 
router so I am going with the express, but for future reference I will keep 
that in mind.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: July 25, 2015 08:26
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Express or extreme

 

Just to add, that the airport extreme does support airplay. I have always used 
airplay with the airport extreme.




On 24 Jul 2015, at 4:00 pm, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:

Again thank you, you have been a lot of help. Going to order the express this 
afternoon. Take care.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness
Sent: July 24, 2015 10:02
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Express or extreme

 

I’m not sure, but I don’t think so..

 

My hubby is going to check.

Cait

 

On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:

 

Thank you, that is what I thought, one other question do you know if the 
express has an optical connection? That is a tos link connection?

 

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness
Sent: July 24, 2015 09:46
To:  mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Express or extreme

 

Hi,

You want the airport express.

 

you can attach it to your receiver with a standard rca type jack.

 

The airport extreme is a router.

 

We used the airport express very successfully with our old Denon and and our 
old Sony before getting our current new Denon receiver.

 

hth,

Caitlyn

 

On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Jesus Garcia  mailto:jesusga...@gmail.com 
jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:

 

Hello list members, two questions. First I wish to send music from my iPhone or 
Mac book pro to my home sound system. My home receiver is a 2003 model, I do 
not wish to replace at the moment since it is a high end flag ship model. 
However it has no HDMI or later than 2003 connections. So, the question is 
should I purchase the airport express or extreme. From reading a few articles 
it appears to me that the extreme does not support airplay? I would prefer 
using airplay. 

Thanks for any suggestions.  

 

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Re: Express or extreme

2015-07-25 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Just to clear things up here:

• both the Express and Extreme can act as routers.  The Extreme just has a more 
powerful processor and more ports, but the Express has the same router features.

• yes, the Extreme supports Airplay, but does not have the audio output combo 
jack that the Express has.  Thus, when planning to connect to a digital or 
analog audio AirPlay connection for streaming audio, or AirTunes as it was 
coined in the past, you'll need the Express.  The Extreme will support the 
AirPlay mirroring through to an Apple TV wirelessly, but has no audio output 
jack.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 25, 2015, at 06:26, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote:

Just to add, that the airport extreme does support airplay. I have always used 
airplay with the airport extreme.



On 24 Jul 2015, at 4:00 pm, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com 
mailto:jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Again thank you, you have been a lot of help. Going to order the express this 
 afternoon. Take care.
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness
 Sent: July 24, 2015 10:02
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Express or extreme
  
 I’m not sure, but I don’t think so..
  
 My hubby is going to check.
 Cait
  
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com 
 mailto:jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:
  
 Thank you, that is what I thought, one other question do you know if the 
 express has an optical connection? That is a tos link connection?
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness
 Sent: July 24, 2015 09:46
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Express or extreme
  
 Hi,
 You want the airport express.
  
 you can attach it to your receiver with a standard rca type jack.
  
 The airport extreme is a router.
  
 We used the airport express very successfully with our old Denon and and our 
 old Sony before getting our current new Denon receiver.
  
 hth,
 Caitlyn
  
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com 
 mailto:jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:
  
 Hello list members, two questions. First I wish to send music from my iPhone 
 or Mac book pro to my home sound system. My home receiver is a 2003 model, I 
 do not wish to replace at the moment since it is a high end flag ship model. 
 However it has no HDMI or later than 2003 connections. So, the question is 
 should I purchase the airport express or extreme. From reading a few articles 
 it appears to me that the extreme does not support airplay? I would prefer 
 using airplay. 
 
 Thanks for any suggestions.  
 
  
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Re: Mac without monitor, a success!

2015-07-25 Thread Todor Fassl
I am unclear on what problems there are when you use a Mac /w/o a 
monitor. For a while, with leopard, I'd get hangs. But the problems 
seemed to go away with snow leopard. And that was a long time ago.



On 07/25/2015 08:28 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

Well then, you're lucky.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 25, 2015, at 7:57 AM, - dandun...@gmail.com wrote:

Someone wrote:

Hi all, so as plenty of you know, I am the proud owner of a lovely Mac Mini late 
2012 model. As many of you also know, this mac also does not do will when not connected 
to a monitor.

I just bought a new mac mini of the 2014 and later model.  It doesn't require a 
monitor.  I have one but leave it unplugged.


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Re: Mac without monitor, a success!

2015-07-25 Thread Devin Prater
Well that's strange. But that's good for you.


Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 25, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I have a 2012 and 2014 model, and neither require a monitor.
 On Jul 25, 2015, at 8:57 AM, - dandun...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Someone wrote:
 
 Hi all, so as plenty of you know, I am the proud owner of a lovely Mac Mini 
 late 2012 model. As many of you also know, this mac also does not do will 
 when not connected to a monitor.
 
 I just bought a new mac mini of the 2014 and later model.  It doesn't 
 require a monitor.  I have one but leave it unplugged.
 
 
 XB
 
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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

2015-07-25 Thread Devin Prater
Well, what I've done in the mean time, is use an app that sends the mac's video 
to an iPhone. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:03 AM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries 
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 Hello,   yes that is what I have done as well just works.
 On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:10, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Since the MacMini can be connected viah HDMI cable, you can go grab a HDTV 
 19 or 22 inches, maybe smaller for less than 150 bucks.  Works like a charm. 
  I don't even use my HDTV for this, but it is hooked up viah HDMI cable just 
 in case I need sited help with something, witch is very rare since the mac 
 rocks on accessibliity.
 
 Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came with an 
 old HP desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. I've got it 
 plugged into the mac via the VGA adaptor plugged into the thunderbult plug 
 on the Mini. The mac will not recognize the display, saying unknown 
 display in system preferences then displays. I looked on the Apple support 
 forum and that HP monitor was specifically made for Windows. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pam,
 I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with 
 Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if 
 you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. 
 
 It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I 
 think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a 
 Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that 
 would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the 
 cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the 
 speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You 
 would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the 
 keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of 
 complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad 
 commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better 
 processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I 
 think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have 
 one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic 
 reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take 
 the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows 
 XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with 
 voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who 
 does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to 
 turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I 
 suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something  that 
 he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the 
 base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the 
 auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm 
 correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or  
 speakers? 
 I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating 
 system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. 
 Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him 
 to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you 
 could offer would be greatly appreciated.
 Many many thanks, 
 
 Pam Francis
 
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Re: Expanding a Twitter conversation in Yorufukuru

2015-07-25 Thread Jamie Pauls
Command-3 will place you in conversation view and command-1 will take you back 
to the regular timeline.



Take care and have a great day.
Jamie Pauls
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 On Jul 25, 2015, at 4:04 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 When using yorufukuru, is there a way of reading the replies to someone’s 
 Tweet in the app without having to go to the Twitter site? I’m talking about 
 replies to tweets of people I follow rather than replies to me.
 
 Cheers,
 
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writing posts in Marsedit

2015-07-25 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi:
I’m having issues writing posts in Marsedit. It appears my paragraphs are not 
being indented, and there are some extra spaces that appear when the blog 
entries are uploaded. How can I resolve this?
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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

2015-07-25 Thread Todor Fassl
My Mac mini is about 8 years old but I used it without a monitor for the 
first 7 years I had it. Way back in the original version, leopard maybe, 
it had problems running without a monitor. But once I upgraded it to 
snow leopard, it had no problems. Maybe they re-introduced the problems 
though.  I can't say for sure.


I now use my Mac mini only as a amazon movie player so it has a monitor 
connected all the time.


I would also question the advice to get a Macbook Air. Why pay for a 
monitor you don't need? You can borrow a monitor for the few times you 
need sighted assistance.




On 07/24/2015 11:19 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
The mac operating system does behave a bit more like a windows classic 
interface as opposed to windows 8 which I think is much harder to get 
around in. I know there are programs you can get to make windos 8 look 
more like windows 7, but, honestly, if you have to use a program just 
to make an operating system easier to use, it's probably not an 
operating system worth using. For the mac mini, you can get an adapter 
called the fit headless that will connect to the hdmi port and this 
will avoid the need for a monitor.

Original message:

Hi Pam,
I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking 
with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks 
who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why.


It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. 
And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and 
if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has 
something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come 
up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, 
depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up 
with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility 
of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come 
on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the 
keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is 
more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more 
storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a 
better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not 
trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability.

Mary




Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Hi everyone,
I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic 
reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to 
take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck 
on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only 
dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. 
He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his 
life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows 
discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 
machine because it was something  that he is familiar with. My 
question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I 
understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary 
purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, 
that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or  
speakers?
I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new 
operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. 
He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm 
attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any 
suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated.

Many many thanks,



Pam Francis



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Re: Mac without monitor, a success!

2015-07-25 Thread Kliph
I have a 2012 and 2014 model, and neither require a monitor.
 On Jul 25, 2015, at 8:57 AM, - dandun...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Someone wrote:
 
 Hi all, so as plenty of you know, I am the proud owner of a lovely Mac Mini 
 late 2012 model. As many of you also know, this mac also does not do will 
 when not connected to a monitor.
 
 I just bought a new mac mini of the 2014 and later model.  It doesn't require 
 a monitor.  I have one but leave it unplugged.
 
 
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Re: What about Logic Pro?

2015-07-25 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Ted,

You need to understand that I know nothing about ProTools 1st.  I'm not sure 
if it will be accessible or not.  I've heard that it won't be, and that was 
said by Slau himself.  I really kind a wish you'd asked before just plunging 
on the list to get it.  That said, it's not, in your defense, like you 
waisted any money, being it's supposed to be free.


The other thing is, I'm unsure just how watered down it will be, though I 
hear it really won't be worth it for anyone who is serious about creating 
audio.  Maybe I'm over paranoid, but this is what I'm told.


Chris.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: What about Logic Pro?


Thanks for the info on protools.  I signed up yesterday to receive protools 
first and am looking forward to it.  Right now I have logic pro as well and 
find it workable but not as easy as I think it could or should be.  Also, if 
I do anything commercially, the idea of “that’s what the pros us” carries 
some weight as well.


Chris, you did very well on the song as well.  As soon as I get some 
recordings with the new macbook under my belt, I’ll post them somewhere for 
those interested to hear.  Once again, thanks for the good info.
On Jul 23, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


I'm a huge huge huge Randy Travis fan.  I've thought about doing both He 
Walked on Water, as well as 3 Wooden Crosses.  Maybe even 1982.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: What about Logic Pro?


Hey Chris, great information. I might just check out ProTools Sunday and 
that tutorial looks like it might be a great help. Oh, by the way that too 
and you did digging up bones, really great job I liked it.


Sent from my IPhone


On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


You wrote:


The most accessible version is the 12, the last one, right?
Anything from version 9 all the way up to 12 will work, but V12 is going 
to probably be your best bet.  You don't need the HD version.  I think 
for what you say you're going to be doing, just the standard PT12 will do 
you fine.


You wrote:


More, may I open in PT 12 the same project I've worked on Garageband?


The short answer, no.  The long answer, no, but yes.  No, you cannot open 
the actual Garageband project from within ProTools, but if you first 
export the project from GB as a wave file, an m4A, or even an mp3, then 
those files can be imported on to a track within ProTools, inside your 
ProTools session.


You wrote:

Has PT 12 its own keyboard to play, I mean the computer keyboard as 
Garageband.


It does, yes, but I don't know about the accessibility of it.  That's why 
I told you about the PTAccess mailing list.  If you join, someone on 
there could surely help you.


As for there being an active dialog, yes.  There are a few of us, 
especially Slau Halliton who has been using ProTools for over 12 years, 
who has been in contact with Avid, formerly Digidesign, almost since the 
beginning of PT accessibility back in the OS8 days with Outspoken, even 
before Voiceover existed!  Venny... not sure his last name, not Somarco, 
a different Venny, has also been doing things since about that long and 
has been in contact constantly with them.  Kevin Reeves, and even Chuck 
Reichel are very very very very heavily involved.  None of them as much 
as Slau though.  Slau is gonna be your main go to, trust me.


I'd also encourage you to look at:

http://www.protoolswithspeech.com

which is ran by a guy named Matt Diemert.

It will cost you about $50 to get the tutorials, but all total it is 
around 8 and a half hours worth of training material with Voiceover and 
ProTools. It has proved to be invaluable!  I cannot even begin to tell 
you how much I've learned from that audio guide.


Yes, I did some stuff on Applevis, but please don't use it.  It's not 
complete, and honestly it's very very out of date.


If you want to check out Logic, which I personally don't care for, but, 
it's your judgement, you can look at:


http://www.icanworkthisthing.com

That site is ran by a blind Logic user named Keith Reety.

I personally hate his audio tutorials.  He's not very explanatory, and he 
goes very very very quickly, and doesn't really seem to demonstrate 
anything as much as just kind a run his mouth.  That's only my opinion 
though of very many others.


Here is a recording I did all me playing and singing in ProTools.  This 
should give you an idea of what you can do.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/I%27m%20Diggin%20up%20Bones.mp3

Anyone of you on this list are more than welcome to grab this and have a 
listen.  It's not going anywhere.


If any of you have ProTools and would like the raw session to practice 
with, 

Re: iPod touch.

2015-07-25 Thread Sadam Ahmed
Thanks Sabahattin. 

Hope it’s not sluggish like my 8GB forth gen. 

Sadam Ahmed 

Diploma of International Business candidate 

RMIT University 

Blog: 

Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 

Sent using OS X Mail 




 On 26 Jul 2015, at 8:41 am, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 I really can’t imagine why not.  Same specs; only the storage option is 
 different.  Absent any specific information to the contrary, I’d go ahead and 
 assume that VoiceOver runs just fine on the 16 GB iPod Touch.
 
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Re: recording software for the mac?

2015-07-25 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Yeah, if you have the pro version, and you want to record in m4A, or Apple's 
other propriatary formats, then Quicktime will work.


Audasity will work, kind of, ish, again, depending on what you wanna do.  If 
you want to just say loddie daa in your mike and save it to an mp3, then 
audasity will work fine.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Rob mr.robertc...@icloud.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: recording software for the mac?



What about Quick Time, or Audacity?

On 7/25/2015 1:08 PM, RACHEL  DAMIEN wrote:
hi, is there by any chance some accessible software for the mac that i 
can use to do recordings to share via email?  just thought i would ask 
just in case there was.  i have one for the iphone but would love the 
same sort of thing for the mac.




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Text boxes in Pages?

2015-07-25 Thread Alex Hall
Hey list,
I'm trying, once more, to get more into Pages. Hopefully, this time, I can make 
myself stick with it long enough to get a handle on this thing.

Currently, I have a few basic questions: I'm making a template I can use to 
fill out client reports and bills (I'm an AT instructor and have to email my 
clients this information). I thought I'd put text boxes in where I'll be 
entering text that can change, and just type the text that won't. Here's a 
super simple example:

Alex Hall
[auto-inserted date]

Client Name: [text box for client name]
Number of Hours: [text box for hours]

You get the idea. I'm running into a few questions, though.

1. How do I get the text box to fit the height of the line of text it's on? VO 
reports that it's 1.2 inches tall, which strikes me as rather large.
2. Do I even need a text box, or am I trying to use one where a different item 
would work better?
3. If I do need one, how can I insert text around it? I inserted one, but even 
if I go to the end of the line and hit return, then type, the box is pushed 
along to the end of my new line of text instead of staying where I put it.

Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.

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Re: Voiceover is lost for words

2015-07-25 Thread blindcowgirl1993
That's definitely a bug. I have not found a way to fix it, but it's driving me 
insane.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 25, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 I'm on el capitan public beta 2, and have quite a problem. So, I restarted my 
 mac after having it install the update, and now VoiceOver always seems to 
 stop speaking in the middle of a prompt. For example, it'll say:
 Finder, list view...
 No table, no currently selected item, none of that. Also, this happens in 
 safari too when reading, for example, an article on AppleVis. The reason I 
 bring this to your attention is that I'm wondering if this is a bug, a 
 feature, or a change, or if there is a way around it without sacrificing the 
 speed of the beta, even compared with the stable release.  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Text boxes in Pages?

2015-07-25 Thread eileen . misrahi

Hi Alex,

I commend you. I can create an accessible form with Word 2010 or 2013, but I 
have stayed away from Pages. In Word, the developer's tab needs to be 
activated. Is there something equal to that in Pages? This is something that I 
would do on the PC side and save it as a DOCX file access on the Mac side. Good 
luck and I am interested on how you were able to complete this task. 

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hey list,
 I'm trying, once more, to get more into Pages. Hopefully, this time, I can 
 make myself stick with it long enough to get a handle on this thing.
 
 Currently, I have a few basic questions: I'm making a template I can use to 
 fill out client reports and bills (I'm an AT instructor and have to email my 
 clients this information). I thought I'd put text boxes in where I'll be 
 entering text that can change, and just type the text that won't. Here's a 
 super simple example:
 
 Alex Hall
 [auto-inserted date]
 
 Client Name: [text box for client name]
 Number of Hours: [text box for hours]
 
 You get the idea. I'm running into a few questions, though.
 
 1. How do I get the text box to fit the height of the line of text it's on? 
 VO reports that it's 1.2 inches tall, which strikes me as rather large.
 2. Do I even need a text box, or am I trying to use one where a different 
 item would work better?
 3. If I do need one, how can I insert text around it? I inserted one, but 
 even if I go to the end of the line and hit return, then type, the box is 
 pushed along to the end of my new line of text instead of staying where I put 
 it.
 
 Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.
 
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com
 
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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

2015-07-25 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Very similar story at my end: belligerent XP user won’t move because he just 
can’t see any point and everything he already has works, except half the web 
which he just avoids.

I disagree with those saying it’s an obvious jump to later versions of Windows. 
 Notwithstanding that there’s still a curve, and the general decline of 
keyboard and screen reader accessibility since XP, I can’t help thinking that 
if you’re going to change you may as well change to a platform of your 
preference rather than simply continuing to pedal the treadmill.  For example, 
somebody opposed to ribbons may prefer OS X for its menus.  Quite a lot has 
changed in Windows since XP; perhaps changing platform is more than just the 
screen reader.  Even somebody with limited patience will be happy to learn 
something they see as more appropriate and amenable to their needs.

The Mac Mini is a nice machine, and it can be made to work well standalone, but 
especially since the removal of the quad-core version I tend to agree with the 
person who said you may as well go for an Air.  For a first Mac experience, 
it’s going to make a far better impression, too.  The Mini can be for later, 
when the spec bump is worth the slight inconvenience of not having a monitor 
and not having the portability, though perhaps a more powerful machine (an 
iMac) would be on the cards if they were really committed.

JMO, of course.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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iPod touch.

2015-07-25 Thread Sadam Ahmed
Hi all, 

Wondering if the 16GB version of the iPod touch recently refreshed has 
VoiceOver? 

Back when the third gen came out only the 32GB and 64GB had VoiceOver. 

Thanks for any insights you can give. 

Best wishes, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Diploma of International Business candidate 

RMIT University 

Blog: 

Http://www.SadamAhmed.com http://www.sadamahmed.com/ 

Sent using  OS X Mail 

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Re: iPod touch.

2015-07-25 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
I really can’t imagine why not.  Same specs; only the storage option is 
different.  Absent any specific information to the contrary, I’d go ahead and 
assume that VoiceOver runs just fine on the 16 GB iPod Touch.

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Re: recording software for the mac?

2015-07-25 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

We've been talking about this on list in another thread.

ProTools.

But that may be overkill.  Please reference the other thread for more info.

Chris.
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:08 PM
Subject: recording software for the mac?


hi, is there by any chance some accessible software for the mac that i can 
use to do recordings to share via email?  just thought i would ask just in 
case there was.  i have one for the iphone but would love the same sort of 
thing for the mac.


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Re: recording software for the mac?

2015-07-25 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Soundforge is... decent...

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
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  To: Mac Visionaries List 
  Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:20 PM
  Subject: Re: recording software for the mac?


  IF you are willing to pay, there's Amadeus Pro.  Or, if you are willing to 
pay a lot, Sound Forge Pro for the Mac is quite good.  Free, though, I don't 
recall.


  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray


  Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

  Sent from my Mac,
  the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


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wrote:


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use to do recordings to share via email?  just thought i would ask just in case 
there was.  i have one for the iphone but would love the same sort of thing for 
the mac.

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Re: recording software for the mac?

2015-07-25 Thread Rob

What about Quick Time, or Audacity?

On 7/25/2015 1:08 PM, RACHEL  DAMIEN wrote:

hi, is there by any chance some accessible software for the mac that i can use 
to do recordings to share via email?  just thought i would ask just in case 
there was.  i have one for the iphone but would love the same sort of thing for 
the mac.



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Voiceover is lost for words

2015-07-25 Thread Devin Prater
Hi all
I'm on el capitan public beta 2, and have quite a problem. So, I restarted my 
mac after having it install the update, and now VoiceOver always seems to stop 
speaking in the middle of a prompt. For example, it'll say:
Finder, list view...
No table, no currently selected item, none of that. Also, this happens in 
safari too when reading, for example, an article on AppleVis. The reason I 
bring this to your attention is that I'm wondering if this is a bug, a feature, 
or a change, or if there is a way around it without sacrificing the speed of 
the beta, even compared with the stable release.  

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Can I edit an epub file.

2015-07-25 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi all.

I have figured out that finereader can create epub books, but sometimes there 
is a chapter or something, that is not marked up correctly. Is there any 
software, we can use for that? I know that you can something with HTML codes, 
but I am not clever enough for that.

If anyone knows of a way to edit an epub a great program or another smart way 
to do it, I would be happy.

THank you an advance.

Best regards Annie.

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Re: Voiceover is lost for words

2015-07-25 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Devon, email me off list and will talk about that. I don't want to violate the 
Nda hear more.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 I'm on el capitan public beta 2, and have quite a problem. So, I restarted my 
 mac after having it install the update, and now VoiceOver always seems to 
 stop speaking in the middle of a prompt. For example, it'll say:
 Finder, list view...
 No table, no currently selected item, none of that. Also, this happens in 
 safari too when reading, for example, an article on AppleVis. The reason I 
 bring this to your attention is that I'm wondering if this is a bug, a 
 feature, or a change, or if there is a way around it without sacrificing the 
 speed of the beta, even compared with the stable release.  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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recording software for the mac?

2015-07-25 Thread RACHEL DAMIEN
hi, is there by any chance some accessible software for the mac that i can use 
to do recordings to share via email?  just thought i would ask just in case 
there was.  i have one for the iphone but would love the same sort of thing for 
the mac.

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Re: recording software for the mac?

2015-07-25 Thread Ray Foret Jr
IF you are willing to pay, there's Amadeus Pro.  Or, if you are willing to pay 
a lot, Sound Forge Pro for the Mac is quite good.  Free, though, I don't recall.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

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 case there was.  i have one for the iphone but would love the same sort of 
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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

2015-07-25 Thread Devin Prater
Yes. But for someone without a monitor its a very good app. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:31 PM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Ok,   sorry must be getting mixed up.  please explain what this app does?   I 
 thought it let you run a mac mini with no display connected? but now it would 
 seem you have to have your I phone switched on so it can send the video is 
 this correct? I would not really want to have to do this as like now my phone 
 is switched off I just have my mac mini connected to the TV with a long HDMI 
 leed and have the telly off and it just works. thanks in advance.
 
 On 25/07/2015 21:25, Devin Prater wrote:
 Duet
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 25, 2015, at 2:33 PM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 OK,   not that interested but know someone who might what is the name of 
 that app please? thanks in advance.
 On 25 Jul 2015, at 14:40, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Well, what I've done in the mean time, is use an app that sends the mac's 
 video to an iPhone.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:03 AM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Hello,   yes that is what I have done as well just works.
 On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:10, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Since the MacMini can be connected viah HDMI cable, you can go grab a 
 HDTV 19 or 22 inches, maybe smaller for less than 150 bucks.  Works like 
 a charm.  I don't even use my HDTV for this, but it is hooked up viah 
 HDMI cable just in case I need sited help with something, witch is very 
 rare since the mac rocks on accessibliity.
 
 Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came 
 with an old HP desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. 
 I've got it plugged into the mac via the VGA adaptor plugged into the 
 thunderbult plug on the Mini. The mac will not recognize the display, 
 saying unknown display in system preferences then displays. I looked 
 on the Apple support forum and that HP monitor was specifically made 
 for Windows.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pam,
 I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with 
 Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who 
 say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why.
 
 It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And 
 I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he 
 has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has 
 something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up 
 to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending 
 on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better 
 speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a 
 full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. 
 That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which 
 you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful 
 than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, 
 unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. 
 Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an 
 air, unless I needed that portability.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic 
 reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to 
 take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck 
 on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only 
 dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. 
 He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his 
 life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows 
 discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 
 machine because it was something  that he is familiar with. My 
 question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I 
 understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary 
 purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that 
 does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or  speakers?
 I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new 
 operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. 
 He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm 
 attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any 
 suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated.
 Many many thanks,
 
 Pam Francis
 
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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

2015-07-25 Thread 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries
Ok,   sorry must be getting mixed up.  please explain what this app 
does?   I thought it let you run a mac mini with no display connected? 
but now it would seem you have to have your I phone switched on so it 
can send the video is this correct? I would not really want to have to 
do this as like now my phone is switched off I just have my mac mini 
connected to the TV with a long HDMI leed and have the telly off and it 
just works. thanks in advance.


On 25/07/2015 21:25, Devin Prater wrote:

Duet


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 25, 2015, at 2:33 PM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

OK,   not that interested but know someone who might what is the name of that 
app please? thanks in advance.

On 25 Jul 2015, at 14:40, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:

Well, what I've done in the mean time, is use an app that sends the mac's video 
to an iPhone.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:03 AM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

Hello,   yes that is what I have done as well just works.

On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:10, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote:

Since the MacMini can be connected viah HDMI cable, you can go grab a HDTV 19 
or 22 inches, maybe smaller for less than 150 bucks.  Works like a charm.  I 
don't even use my HDTV for this, but it is hooked up viah HDMI cable just in 
case I need sited help with something, witch is very rare since the mac rocks 
on accessibliity.

Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant


On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:

Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came with an old HP 
desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. I've got it plugged into the mac 
via the VGA adaptor plugged into the thunderbult plug on the Mini. The mac will not 
recognize the display, saying unknown display in system preferences then 
displays. I looked on the Apple support forum and that HP monitor was specifically made 
for Windows.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Pam,
I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows 
is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going 
to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why.

It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think 
you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows 
machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. 
The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if 
you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You 
would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the 
possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not 
come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad 
which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful 
than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless 
portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm 
prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I 
needed that portability.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi everyone,
I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for 
wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn 
windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before 
support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices 
along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in 
electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows 
discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine 
because it was something  that he is familiar with. My question for the group 
is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, 
what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm 
correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or  
speakers?
I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system 
and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for 
this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before 
he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly 
appreciated.
Many many thanks,

Pam Francis

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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

2015-07-25 Thread 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries
OK,   not that interested but know someone who might what is the name of that 
app please? thanks in advance.
 On 25 Jul 2015, at 14:40, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Well, what I've done in the mean time, is use an app that sends the mac's 
 video to an iPhone. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:03 AM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Hello,   yes that is what I have done as well just works.
 On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:10, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Since the MacMini can be connected viah HDMI cable, you can go grab a HDTV 
 19 or 22 inches, maybe smaller for less than 150 bucks.  Works like a 
 charm.  I don't even use my HDTV for this, but it is hooked up viah HDMI 
 cable just in case I need sited help with something, witch is very rare 
 since the mac rocks on accessibliity.
 
 Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came with 
 an old HP desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. I've got 
 it plugged into the mac via the VGA adaptor plugged into the thunderbult 
 plug on the Mini. The mac will not recognize the display, saying unknown 
 display in system preferences then displays. I looked on the Apple 
 support forum and that HP monitor was specifically made for Windows. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pam,
 I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with 
 Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say 
 if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. 
 
 It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I 
 think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a 
 Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that 
 would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the 
 cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the 
 speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You 
 would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the 
 keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of 
 complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad 
 commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better 
 processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I 
 think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have 
 one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic 
 reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take 
 the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on 
 Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only 
 dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He 
 is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I 
 don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other 
 than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was 
 something  that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; 
 other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, 
 what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? 
 If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a 
 keyboard or  speakers? 
 I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating 
 system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. 
 Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get 
 him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you 
 could offer would be greatly appreciated.
 Many many thanks, 
 
 Pam Francis
 
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Re: siri's sense of humor, and ability to..?

2015-07-25 Thread Karen Lewellen

may I ask the difference?
What does  siri provide that voiceover does not on ios divices?
Thanks,
Karen


On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:


Hey Tim, just to correct you on something, if you're talking about the enhanced 
quality for the Siri voices, you can't download those with the steps you listed 
below. Those voices can only be downloaded by plugging into a power source and 
if you're connected to Wifi. If you're talking about the regular Voiceover 
voices, then yes, the steps below will work. It would be helpful to both of us 
if the poster who was wondering about the voices could tell us if she wanted 
the enhanced Voiceover voices or the enhanced Siri voices.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

Hi,

To download the enhanced version of voices, go to Settings, General, 
Accessibility, VoiceOver, Speech then double-tap on the Default Voice.  In this 
screen you can download the enhanced version and/or add new voices.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 20, 2015, at 07:54, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:

Oh really? Where do you go to do that?  I didn't see that option, but suppose I 
never really looked for it either sense I didn't really look under the settings 
too much lol.
On Jul 18, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:


Hi,

If you download the enhanced version of those voices, the quality improves 
dramatically.

Later

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 18, 2015, at 09:13, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:

I finally checked that out last night, and thought the British voice was ok, 
but was disappointed that most of the other voices weren't as high-quality 
sounding, the British voice being one of them.

On Jul 17, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:


Oh yes, there is more than one man.
Here is hoping the ability to nuance comes in the next incarnation.
Kare


On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Jessica Moss wrote:


There's more than 1 male voice now?  I had now idea; will have to check that 
out.
I love the American voice but would like to see what else is available too.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 16, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:

Karen,
You can have a male Siri if you like, it’s in the choices under Siri in 
settings. I have a nice Brit gentleman, for instance, instead of the snotty 
American version!  lol
hth,
Caitlyn(not Genner, btw! another lol)


On Jul 15, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote:

Hi folks,
as to the first question, I understand she? had no idea she is a girl, has an 
amusing answer to  questions like... what's zero divided by zero?
if noone has tried it, I will not spoil the fun.
I understand too that she will correct anyone  seeking physical information 
about Bruce Jenner.
The other half of my question has to do with nuance.
I recently visited an apple store to learn  if the ios voices could be nuanced 
the way mac voices can.  I was dismayed that while you can speed the voice up 
and slow it down, you cannot  improve the over all quality..but I did not try 
Siri  at all.
I was working with an ipad, not a phone.
so can she be improved?
I may need to check her out, I tend to prefer a guy's voice talking in my ear 
even on my computer lol.
Still  it might be the difference between ever using an ios device as is the 
case now, and considering an iphone for non phone tasks.
Thanks,
Karen


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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

2015-07-25 Thread Devin Prater
Duet


Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 25, 2015, at 2:33 PM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 OK,   not that interested but know someone who might what is the name of that 
 app please? thanks in advance.
 On 25 Jul 2015, at 14:40, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Well, what I've done in the mean time, is use an app that sends the mac's 
 video to an iPhone. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:03 AM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Hello,   yes that is what I have done as well just works.
 On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:10, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Since the MacMini can be connected viah HDMI cable, you can go grab a HDTV 
 19 or 22 inches, maybe smaller for less than 150 bucks.  Works like a 
 charm.  I don't even use my HDTV for this, but it is hooked up viah HDMI 
 cable just in case I need sited help with something, witch is very rare 
 since the mac rocks on accessibliity.
 
 Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came with 
 an old HP desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. I've 
 got it plugged into the mac via the VGA adaptor plugged into the 
 thunderbult plug on the Mini. The mac will not recognize the display, 
 saying unknown display in system preferences then displays. I looked on 
 the Apple support forum and that HP monitor was specifically made for 
 Windows. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pam,
 I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with 
 Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say 
 if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. 
 
 It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I 
 think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has 
 a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something 
 that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about 
 the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of 
 the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of 
 course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard 
 including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two 
 sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the 
 keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is 
 better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big 
 deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because 
 I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that 
 portability.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic 
 reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take 
 the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on 
 Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only 
 dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He 
 is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. 
 I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other 
 than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was 
 something  that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; 
 other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, 
 what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? 
 If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a 
 keyboard or  speakers? 
 I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new 
 operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He 
 does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm 
 attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any 
 suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated.
 Many many thanks, 
 
 Pam Francis
 
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Re: Can I edit an epub file.

2015-07-25 Thread Devin Prater
I do believe Pages can export to EPUB. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:23 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 I have figured out that finereader can create epub books, but sometimes there 
 is a chapter or something, that is not marked up correctly. Is there any 
 software, we can use for that? I know that you can something with HTML codes, 
 but I am not clever enough for that.
 
 If anyone knows of a way to edit an epub a great program or another smart way 
 to do it, I would be happy.
 
 THank you an advance.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 
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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

2015-07-25 Thread Devin Prater
I agree with that as well. Furthermore, the Mac OS does not change its UI and 
UX every version or so. Apple, unlike Microsoft, has learned that users would 
rather not learn a literally new OS every upgrade. Sure, additions like the Doc 
in Os X was new, but it didn't take changing the Finder into a touch panel to 
add the Doc. Also, Apple doesn't change so much that it has to virtually, 
literally, take back what it said Windows 10 as opposed to 8. Also, if your 
friend speaks une autre langue, excuse my French, he will have plenty of other 
choices to choose from on the Mac, all for free. From Arabic to Vietnamese, OS 
X has the multilingual user covered.
If your friend wants to cool down after his purchase of his Mac and not spend 
so much money on apps, all he must do is look in the Applications folder and 
there will be plenty of apps to rule the day, from a calculator music-creation 
studeo, terminal for the older generation of computing, and text based games I 
might add, iTunes for all his musical desires, and even a chess game for the 
gifted gamer. All of these apps and the chess game are completely, and  yes 
utterly accessible to the point that a blind person can even command thine 
chess pieces to do thy will. pawn a6 to a7. Anyway, I hope this helps 
someone, I just spent 15 minutes of my life typing away on braille screen 
input, all on my iPhone. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 25, 2015, at 5:23 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 Very similar story at my end: belligerent XP user won’t move because he just 
 can’t see any point and everything he already has works, except half the web 
 which he just avoids.
 
 I disagree with those saying it’s an obvious jump to later versions of 
 Windows.  Notwithstanding that there’s still a curve, and the general decline 
 of keyboard and screen reader accessibility since XP, I can’t help thinking 
 that if you’re going to change you may as well change to a platform of your 
 preference rather than simply continuing to pedal the treadmill.  For 
 example, somebody opposed to ribbons may prefer OS X for its menus.  Quite a 
 lot has changed in Windows since XP; perhaps changing platform is more than 
 just the screen reader.  Even somebody with limited patience will be happy to 
 learn something they see as more appropriate and amenable to their needs.
 
 The Mac Mini is a nice machine, and it can be made to work well standalone, 
 but especially since the removal of the quad-core version I tend to agree 
 with the person who said you may as well go for an Air.  For a first Mac 
 experience, it’s going to make a far better impression, too.  The Mini can be 
 for later, when the spec bump is worth the slight inconvenience of not having 
 a monitor and not having the portability, though perhaps a more powerful 
 machine (an iMac) would be on the cards if they were really committed.
 
 JMO, of course.
 
 Cheers,
 Sabahattin
 
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Re: VoiceOver On, Speech Off, on a MacBook Pro

2015-07-25 Thread Traci Duncan
I wanted to add to this topic.

When I do the 3-finger double tap on my trackpad, it also seems to bring sound 
effects back.  Is there a way to mute  unmute these to independently? 

I like VoiceOver sound effects always off.

Thank you,
Traci

On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Denise Barajas dbaraja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello, this option can usuallybe toggled if you have a trackpad active by 
 tripple finger double tapping on the trackpad in the middle of your screen to 
 switch the setting. If you are not having this option active with the 
 trackpad, then you will have to solicit assistance from someone that's 
 sighted. I hopet this helps you.
  
 Blessings to you.
  
 regards
  
  
 
 On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:33 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good morning, all.
 
 I have a MacBook Pro that I booted up this morning. It didn’t speak the usual 
 “voiceover is running” greetings, so I did a command f 5 to turn voiceover 
 on. I was told that VO was on, but speech was off. Is there an easy way to 
 get speech back on? I’m not sure how it got turned off in the first place, 
 but, since it says nothing once it tells me that speech is off, the machine 
 is not usable at this point.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Kristeen
 
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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

2015-07-25 Thread 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries
Hello,   yes that is what I have done as well just works.
 On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:10, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Since the MacMini can be connected viah HDMI cable, you can go grab a HDTV 19 
 or 22 inches, maybe smaller for less than 150 bucks.  Works like a charm.  I 
 don't even use my HDTV for this, but it is hooked up viah HDMI cable just in 
 case I need sited help with something, witch is very rare since the mac rocks 
 on accessibliity.
 
 Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came with an 
 old HP desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. I've got it 
 plugged into the mac via the VGA adaptor plugged into the thunderbult plug 
 on the Mini. The mac will not recognize the display, saying unknown 
 display in system preferences then displays. I looked on the Apple support 
 forum and that HP monitor was specifically made for Windows. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pam,
 I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with 
 Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if 
 you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. 
 
 It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I 
 think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a 
 Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that 
 would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the 
 cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the 
 speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You 
 would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the 
 keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete 
 arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. 
 Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more 
 RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is 
 a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade 
 it for an air, unless I needed that portability.
 Mary
 
 
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 On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason 
 for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time 
 to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since 
 long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is 
 with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with 
 major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an 
 Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for 
 a Windows 7 machine because it was something  that he is familiar with. My 
 question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand 
 it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in 
 order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a 
 screen, does it include a keyboard or  speakers? 
 I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating 
 system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. 
 Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him 
 to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could 
 offer would be greatly appreciated.
 Many many thanks, 
 
 Pam Francis
 
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Re: Express or extreme

2015-07-25 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Just to add, that the airport extreme does support airplay. I have always used 
airplay with the airport extreme.



 On 24 Jul 2015, at 4:00 pm, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Again thank you, you have been a lot of help. Going to order the express this 
 afternoon. Take care.
  
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness
 Sent: July 24, 2015 10:02
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Express or extreme
  
 I’m not sure, but I don’t think so..
  
 My hubby is going to check.
 Cait
  
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:
  
 Thank you, that is what I thought, one other question do you know if the 
 express has an optical connection? That is a tos link connection?
  
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness
 Sent: July 24, 2015 09:46
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Express or extreme
  
 Hi,
 You want the airport express.
  
 you can attach it to your receiver with a standard rca type jack.
  
 The airport extreme is a router.
  
 We used the airport express very successfully with our old Denon and and our 
 old Sony before getting our current new Denon receiver.
  
 hth,
 Caitlyn
  
 On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:
  
 Hello list members, two questions. First I wish to send music from my iPhone 
 or Mac book pro to my home sound system. My home receiver is a 2003 model, I 
 do not wish to replace at the moment since it is a high end flag ship model. 
 However it has no HDMI or later than 2003 connections. So, the question is 
 should I purchase the airport express or extreme. From reading a few articles 
 it appears to me that the extreme does not support airplay? I would prefer 
 using airplay. 
 
 Thanks for any suggestions.  
 
  
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Re: Mac without monitor, a success!

2015-07-25 Thread -

Someone wrote:

Hi all, so as plenty of you know, I am the proud owner of a lovely Mac 
Mini late 2012 model. As many of you also know, this mac also does not do 
will when not connected to a monitor.


I just bought a new mac mini of the 2014 and later model.  It doesn't 
require a monitor.  I have one but leave it unplugged.



XB

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Re: What about Logic Pro?

2015-07-25 Thread Ted Phillips
Thanks for the info on protools.  I signed up yesterday to receive protools 
first and am looking forward to it.  Right now I have logic pro as well and 
find it workable but not as easy as I think it could or should be.  Also, if I 
do anything commercially, the idea of “that’s what the pros us” carries some 
weight as well.

Chris, you did very well on the song as well.  As soon as I get some recordings 
with the new macbook under my belt, I’ll post them somewhere for those 
interested to hear.  Once again, thanks for the good info.
 On Jul 23, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm a huge huge huge Randy Travis fan.  I've thought about doing both He 
 Walked on Water, as well as 3 Wooden Crosses.  Maybe even 1982.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 12:03 PM
 Subject: Re: What about Logic Pro?
 
 
 Hey Chris, great information. I might just check out ProTools Sunday and that 
 tutorial looks like it might be a great help. Oh, by the way that too and you 
 did digging up bones, really great job I liked it.
 
 Sent from my IPhone
 
 
 On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You wrote:
 
 The most accessible version is the 12, the last one, right?
 Anything from version 9 all the way up to 12 will work, but V12 is going to 
 probably be your best bet.  You don't need the HD version.  I think for what 
 you say you're going to be doing, just the standard PT12 will do you fine.
 
 You wrote:
 
 More, may I open in PT 12 the same project I've worked on Garageband?
 
 The short answer, no.  The long answer, no, but yes.  No, you cannot open 
 the actual Garageband project from within ProTools, but if you first export 
 the project from GB as a wave file, an m4A, or even an mp3, then those files 
 can be imported on to a track within ProTools, inside your ProTools session.
 
 You wrote:
 
 Has PT 12 its own keyboard to play, I mean the computer keyboard as 
 Garageband.
 
 It does, yes, but I don't know about the accessibility of it.  That's why I 
 told you about the PTAccess mailing list.  If you join, someone on there 
 could surely help you.
 
 As for there being an active dialog, yes.  There are a few of us, especially 
 Slau Halliton who has been using ProTools for over 12 years, who has been in 
 contact with Avid, formerly Digidesign, almost since the beginning of PT 
 accessibility back in the OS8 days with Outspoken, even before Voiceover 
 existed!  Venny... not sure his last name, not Somarco, a different Venny, 
 has also been doing things since about that long and has been in contact 
 constantly with them.  Kevin Reeves, and even Chuck Reichel are very very 
 very very heavily involved.  None of them as much as Slau though.  Slau is 
 gonna be your main go to, trust me.
 
 I'd also encourage you to look at:
 
 http://www.protoolswithspeech.com
 
 which is ran by a guy named Matt Diemert.
 
 It will cost you about $50 to get the tutorials, but all total it is around 
 8 and a half hours worth of training material with Voiceover and ProTools. 
 It has proved to be invaluable!  I cannot even begin to tell you how much 
 I've learned from that audio guide.
 
 Yes, I did some stuff on Applevis, but please don't use it.  It's not 
 complete, and honestly it's very very out of date.
 
 If you want to check out Logic, which I personally don't care for, but, it's 
 your judgement, you can look at:
 
 http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
 
 That site is ran by a blind Logic user named Keith Reety.
 
 I personally hate his audio tutorials.  He's not very explanatory, and he 
 goes very very very quickly, and doesn't really seem to demonstrate anything 
 as much as just kind a run his mouth.  That's only my opinion though of very 
 many others.
 
 Here is a recording I did all me playing and singing in ProTools.  This 
 should give you an idea of what you can do.
 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16962268/I%27m%20Diggin%20up%20Bones.mp3
 
 Anyone of you on this list are more than welcome to grab this and have a 
 listen.  It's not going anywhere.
 
 If any of you have ProTools and would like the raw session to practice with, 
 let me know.  I still have it and would be happy to zip it up.
 
 As for PT12 having its own software instruments, yes.  There is a collection 
 called Air Creative.  In here are 3 things.
 
 Mini Grand, which is a piano sample.  Personally, I'd prefer using 
 Synthogy's Ivory, but that's quite pricy.
 
 Built in, you also get a great Hamand B3 modeler, but I don't recall its 
 exact name.  Finally you get the XPand2 libraries, which is over 300 
 different samples which are modeled from actually instruments.  They are 
 true samples.  It's not just a software synth, although, they are triggered 
 via a midi controller/keyboard, or through the on screen keyboard you'd play 
 with the 

Re: Mac without monitor, a success!

2015-07-25 Thread Devin Prater
Well then, you're lucky.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 25, 2015, at 7:57 AM, - dandun...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Someone wrote:
 
 Hi all, so as plenty of you know, I am the proud owner of a lovely Mac Mini 
 late 2012 model. As many of you also know, this mac also does not do will 
 when not connected to a monitor.
 
 I just bought a new mac mini of the 2014 and later model.  It doesn't require 
 a monitor.  I have one but leave it unplugged.
 
 
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