Re: Text boxes in Pages?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Alex,

I think you’d find placeholder text a better way for entering text that 
changes. Just type in some typical text in the format you want, then select 
that text, press VO-Tab for VO to ignore next key press, then press 
Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t to make it placeholder text. When using your template, the 
placeholder text will be highlighted when you navigate to it using just the 
arrow keys, and typing will replace it but keep the formatting.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 26 Jul 2015, at 00:58, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hey list,
> I'm trying, once more, to get more into Pages. Hopefully, this time, I can 
> make myself stick with it long enough to get a handle on this thing.
> 
> Currently, I have a few basic questions: I'm making a template I can use to 
> fill out client reports and bills (I'm an AT instructor and have to email my 
> clients this information). I thought I'd put text boxes in where I'll be 
> entering text that can change, and just type the text that won't. Here's a 
> super simple example:
> 
> Alex Hall
> [auto-inserted date]
> 
> Client Name: [text box for client name]
> Number of Hours: [text box for hours]
> 
> You get the idea. I'm running into a few questions, though.
> 
> 1. How do I get the text box to fit the height of the line of text it's on? 
> VO reports that it's 1.2 inches tall, which strikes me as rather large.
> 2. Do I even need a text box, or am I trying to use one where a different 
> item would work better?
> 3. If I do need one, how can I insert text around it? I inserted one, but 
> even if I go to the end of the line and hit return, then type, the box is 
> pushed along to the end of my new line of text instead of staying where I put 
> it.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.
> 
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> mehg...@icloud.com
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Re: Text boxes in Pages?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Eileen,

Pages is a very different word processor from Word. You can achieve the same 
results but the approach is completely different. I’m very comfortable with 
Pages, but find Word 2016 very confusing. When asking how to achieve something 
in Pages, it’s better to describe the desired outcome rather than asking if 
there’s an equivalent to some mode or other in Word.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 26 Jul 2015, at 01:30, eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> I commend you. I can create an accessible form with Word 2010 or 2013, but I 
> have stayed away from Pages. In Word, the developer's tab needs to be 
> activated. Is there something equal to that in Pages? This is something that 
> I would do on the PC side and save it as a DOCX file access on the Mac side. 
> Good luck and I am interested on how you were able to complete this task. 
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey list,
>> I'm trying, once more, to get more into Pages. Hopefully, this time, I can 
>> make myself stick with it long enough to get a handle on this thing.
>> 
>> Currently, I have a few basic questions: I'm making a template I can use to 
>> fill out client reports and bills (I'm an AT instructor and have to email my 
>> clients this information). I thought I'd put text boxes in where I'll be 
>> entering text that can change, and just type the text that won't. Here's a 
>> super simple example:
>> 
>> Alex Hall
>> [auto-inserted date]
>> 
>> Client Name: [text box for client name]
>> Number of Hours: [text box for hours]
>> 
>> You get the idea. I'm running into a few questions, though.
>> 
>> 1. How do I get the text box to fit the height of the line of text it's on? 
>> VO reports that it's 1.2 inches tall, which strikes me as rather large.
>> 2. Do I even need a text box, or am I trying to use one where a different 
>> item would work better?
>> 3. If I do need one, how can I insert text around it? I inserted one, but 
>> even if I go to the end of the line and hit return, then type, the box is 
>> pushed along to the end of my new line of text instead of staying where I 
>> put it.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.
>> 
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>> Alex Hall
>> mehg...@icloud.com
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Re: Can I edit an epub file.

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi Devin.

I have never got it to work with pages. FInereader can easily save as an epub, 
and most of the chapters is marked up correctly, but it would be great if there 
is a program that I can edit the epub file finereader creates.

Best regards Annie.
> Den 26/07/2015 kl. 03.03 skrev Devin Prater :
> 
> I do believe Pages can export to EPUB. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:23 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I have figured out that finereader can create epub books, but sometimes 
>> there is a chapter or something, that is not marked up correctly. Is there 
>> any software, we can use for that? I know that you can something with HTML 
>> codes, but I am not clever enough for that.
>> 
>> If anyone knows of a way to edit an epub a great program or another smart 
>> way to do it, I would be happy.
>> 
>> THank you an advance.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
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Re: Voiceover is lost for words

[Andrew Lamanche]

It’s a bug please report urgently!  I’ve already done so a few times.
> On 26 Jul 2015, at 00:11, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> I'm on el capitan public beta 2, and have quite a problem. So, I restarted my 
> mac after having it install the update, and now VoiceOver always seems to 
> stop speaking in the middle of a prompt. For example, it'll say:
> "Finder, list view..."
> No "table", no currently selected item, none of that. Also, this happens in 
> safari too when reading, for example, an article on AppleVis. The reason I 
> bring this to your attention is that I'm wondering if this is a bug, a 
> feature, or a change, or if there is a way around it without sacrificing the 
> speed of the beta, even compared with the stable release.  
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Re: A Good Youtube to Mp4 Converter for Mac

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Shawn,

When I realised that MacTube no longer worked, I did some search and found an 
application called
WinX HD Video Converter for Mac.app
I can't now remember but I think I had to buy it.  You can try it for a while.  
It works pretty well once you learn the layout of its window.  There are some 
unlabelled buttons but you could label them in Voiceover with vo+/.  This is 
not ideal, I know, but the app works well.  You first have to find on YouTube 
the video you want, then copy its link through the contextual menu, and paste 
it into the app to initiate the download.  The downloaded files are placed in 
the home folder/music/the apps folder.  You can do other things with the app 
but I did not feel confident yet to try the other features.  Have a look at it 
and good luck.

Andrew
> On 26 Jul 2015, at 06:17, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys. I just tried to use the Youtube converter I normally use, but every 
> time I click on the download link to get it, it takes me to a website called 
> add.ly. So now I'm stuck because I doubt Youtube will let us use MacTubes 
> again, so the question is do you guys know of any good Youtube to MP4 
> converters or any converters that will let me convert to both MP3 and MP4? 
> I'm asking for MP4 because I want to watch it as well as listen to it, and I 
> want to keep the video just in case they remove it. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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Re: Text boxes in Pages?

[Alex Hall]

Thanks, this is exactly what I was after. The problem is that it only worked 
once. I used it successfully on one line, then tried to repeat the process on 
the next line. The hotkey does nothing, and my selected text is de-selected. Is 
there something I have to do before I can use this mode again?
> On Jul 26, 2015, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> I think you’d find placeholder text a better way for entering text that 
> changes. Just type in some typical text in the format you want, then select 
> that text, press VO-Tab for VO to ignore next key press, then press 
> Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t to make it placeholder text. When using your template, the 
> placeholder text will be highlighted when you navigate to it using just the 
> arrow keys, and typing will replace it but keep the formatting.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2015, at 00:58, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey list,
>> I'm trying, once more, to get more into Pages. Hopefully, this time, I can 
>> make myself stick with it long enough to get a handle on this thing.
>> 
>> Currently, I have a few basic questions: I'm making a template I can use to 
>> fill out client reports and bills (I'm an AT instructor and have to email my 
>> clients this information). I thought I'd put text boxes in where I'll be 
>> entering text that can change, and just type the text that won't. Here's a 
>> super simple example:
>> 
>> Alex Hall
>> [auto-inserted date]
>> 
>> Client Name: [text box for client name]
>> Number of Hours: [text box for hours]
>> 
>> You get the idea. I'm running into a few questions, though.
>> 
>> 1. How do I get the text box to fit the height of the line of text it's on? 
>> VO reports that it's 1.2 inches tall, which strikes me as rather large.
>> 2. Do I even need a text box, or am I trying to use one where a different 
>> item would work better?
>> 3. If I do need one, how can I insert text around it? I inserted one, but 
>> even if I go to the end of the line and hit return, then type, the box is 
>> pushed along to the end of my new line of text instead of staying where I 
>> put it.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.
>> 
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>> Alex Hall
>> mehg...@icloud.com
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Re: A Good Youtube to Mp4 Converter for Mac

[Emilio]

Hey there,

An app I use, which is fre is: MacX YouTube Downloader,.
It works most of the time when I want to download Youtube video. The 
completed file is placed into your downloads folder.
All you do is copy-n-paste the URL of a Youtube linked video, and you 
should be good-to-go.

Hope this has been helpful

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Re: Text boxes in Pages?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Alex,

You have to press the VO-Tab command before each time you use the 
Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t Make placeholder text command but it should work every time. 
I’ve been using this for years, and in Pages09 I created a different shortcut 
for Make placeholder text to avoid having to use the VO-Tab command.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 26 Jul 2015, at 14:45, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, this is exactly what I was after. The problem is that it only worked 
> once. I used it successfully on one line, then tried to repeat the process on 
> the next line. The hotkey does nothing, and my selected text is de-selected. 
> Is there something I have to do before I can use this mode again?
>> On Jul 26, 2015, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Alex,
>> 
>> I think you’d find placeholder text a better way for entering text that 
>> changes. Just type in some typical text in the format you want, then select 
>> that text, press VO-Tab for VO to ignore next key press, then press 
>> Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t to make it placeholder text. When using your template, the 
>> placeholder text will be highlighted when you navigate to it using just the 
>> arrow keys, and typing will replace it but keep the formatting.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Jul 2015, at 00:58, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey list,
>>> I'm trying, once more, to get more into Pages. Hopefully, this time, I can 
>>> make myself stick with it long enough to get a handle on this thing.
>>> 
>>> Currently, I have a few basic questions: I'm making a template I can use to 
>>> fill out client reports and bills (I'm an AT instructor and have to email 
>>> my clients this information). I thought I'd put text boxes in where I'll be 
>>> entering text that can change, and just type the text that won't. Here's a 
>>> super simple example:
>>> 
>>> Alex Hall
>>> [auto-inserted date]
>>> 
>>> Client Name: [text box for client name]
>>> Number of Hours: [text box for hours]
>>> 
>>> You get the idea. I'm running into a few questions, though.
>>> 
>>> 1. How do I get the text box to fit the height of the line of text it's on? 
>>> VO reports that it's 1.2 inches tall, which strikes me as rather large.
>>> 2. Do I even need a text box, or am I trying to use one where a different 
>>> item would work better?
>>> 3. If I do need one, how can I insert text around it? I inserted one, but 
>>> even if I go to the end of the line and hit return, then type, the box is 
>>> pushed along to the end of my new line of text instead of staying where I 
>>> put it.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com
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Re: Text boxes in Pages?

[Alex Hall]

I was. Oddly, switching out of, then back to, Pages seemed to get it working. 
One final question on placeholder text: when I read the line holding the text, 
I hear only the placeholder. For example:

Client name: [client name placeholder]

If I read that line, I hear the embedded object sound, "client name 
placeholder", then the end embedded object sound. The rest of the line doesn't 
read at all. Is this expected behavior?
> On Jul 26, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> You have to press the VO-Tab command before each time you use the 
> Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t Make placeholder text command but it should work every 
> time. I’ve been using this for years, and in Pages09 I created a different 
> shortcut for Make placeholder text to avoid having to use the VO-Tab command.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2015, at 14:45, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, this is exactly what I was after. The problem is that it only worked 
>> once. I used it successfully on one line, then tried to repeat the process 
>> on the next line. The hotkey does nothing, and my selected text is 
>> de-selected. Is there something I have to do before I can use this mode 
>> again?
>>> On Jul 26, 2015, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Alex,
>>> 
>>> I think you’d find placeholder text a better way for entering text that 
>>> changes. Just type in some typical text in the format you want, then select 
>>> that text, press VO-Tab for VO to ignore next key press, then press 
>>> Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t to make it placeholder text. When using your template, 
>>> the placeholder text will be highlighted when you navigate to it using just 
>>> the arrow keys, and typing will replace it but keep the formatting.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 26 Jul 2015, at 00:58, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 Hey list,
 I'm trying, once more, to get more into Pages. Hopefully, this time, I can 
 make myself stick with it long enough to get a handle on this thing.
 
 Currently, I have a few basic questions: I'm making a template I can use 
 to fill out client reports and bills (I'm an AT instructor and have to 
 email my clients this information). I thought I'd put text boxes in where 
 I'll be entering text that can change, and just type the text that won't. 
 Here's a super simple example:
 
 Alex Hall
 [auto-inserted date]
 
 Client Name: [text box for client name]
 Number of Hours: [text box for hours]
 
 You get the idea. I'm running into a few questions, though.
 
 1. How do I get the text box to fit the height of the line of text it's 
 on? VO reports that it's 1.2 inches tall, which strikes me as rather large.
 2. Do I even need a text box, or am I trying to use one where a different 
 item would work better?
 3. If I do need one, how can I insert text around it? I inserted one, but 
 even if I go to the end of the line and hit return, then type, the box is 
 pushed along to the end of my new line of text instead of staying where I 
 put it.
 
 Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.
 
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 mehg...@icloud.com
 
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Re: slightly OT: posting Youtube comments using Safari and VO on Mac?

[Kevin Shaw]

Hi Alex, 

I’ve noticed that the comments and comment field are not visible right away. I 
have a feeling that there is some scripting behind this hides the comments to 
visually reduce clutter on the page until you want to interact with the 
comments.

Try the following:

Find the heading for the video title. If you navigate by links or headings from 
this point, you’ll miss the comment field. VO-right until you’re past the name 
of the contributor and wait a second or two. This should allow the script to 
work revealing the comment field and the always enlightening Youtube comments. 
Keep VO-right arrowing until you see the link with your name. The next element 
will be a clickable element that says “Share your Thoughts”. VO-space. The edit 
field will then show up. I had to VO-space again on the edit field and then 
type something for the Post Comment button to appear along with the checkbox to 
also post to GooglePlus. 
> On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> That's just it though, I don't see anywhere to make a comment. I'm on the 
> video page (it's not mine, it's from someone else) but I see no way of adding 
> a comment. I'm logged in, so that shouldn't be a problem.
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Ray Foret Jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> I seem to recall that what you need to do, after you've made each video and 
>> uplodaded it, you can click where you'd normally make a comment, and then, 
>> there should be a button near by that let's you choose a video to add.  
>> Could be wrong as it's been a while since I've bothered.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:05 AM, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> To enter a contest, I have to post a comment on each of three videos on 
>>> Youtube. I can see the comments others have posted, and I can see buttons 
>>> to like and all that, but I can't figure out how to post my own comment. Is 
>>> there a trick to this? Something I can do a text search for? Is the button 
>>> or text field hiding somewhere strange? Any help would be great. Thanks in 
>>> advance.
>>> 
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Re: Text boxes in Pages?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Alex,

I’m not sure how you’re reading the text. If you just use the arrow keys, 
placeholder text will be highlighted as you reach it and will be read. When you 
do the next right arrow, the placeholder text will be unhighlighted and any 
normal text will be read normally.
Never use Quick Nav in Pages! It simply isn’t worth the trouble.
Other thoughts: have you got your mouse cursor set to ignore the other cursors? 
It works better that way.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 26 Jul 2015, at 16:30, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I was. Oddly, switching out of, then back to, Pages seemed to get it working. 
> One final question on placeholder text: when I read the line holding the 
> text, I hear only the placeholder. For example:
> 
> Client name: [client name placeholder]
> 
> If I read that line, I hear the embedded object sound, "client name 
> placeholder", then the end embedded object sound. The rest of the line 
> doesn't read at all. Is this expected behavior?
>> On Jul 26, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Alex,
>> 
>> You have to press the VO-Tab command before each time you use the 
>> Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t Make placeholder text command but it should work every 
>> time. I’ve been using this for years, and in Pages09 I created a different 
>> shortcut for Make placeholder text to avoid having to use the VO-Tab command.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Jul 2015, at 14:45, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, this is exactly what I was after. The problem is that it only 
>>> worked once. I used it successfully on one line, then tried to repeat the 
>>> process on the next line. The hotkey does nothing, and my selected text is 
>>> de-selected. Is there something I have to do before I can use this mode 
>>> again?
 On Jul 26, 2015, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
 
 Hello Alex,
 
 I think you’d find placeholder text a better way for entering text that 
 changes. Just type in some typical text in the format you want, then 
 select that text, press VO-Tab for VO to ignore next key press, then press 
 Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t to make it placeholder text. When using your template, 
 the placeholder text will be highlighted when you navigate to it using 
 just the arrow keys, and typing will replace it but keep the formatting.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
> On 26 Jul 2015, at 00:58, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hey list,
> I'm trying, once more, to get more into Pages. Hopefully, this time, I 
> can make myself stick with it long enough to get a handle on this thing.
> 
> Currently, I have a few basic questions: I'm making a template I can use 
> to fill out client reports and bills (I'm an AT instructor and have to 
> email my clients this information). I thought I'd put text boxes in where 
> I'll be entering text that can change, and just type the text that won't. 
> Here's a super simple example:
> 
> Alex Hall
> [auto-inserted date]
> 
> Client Name: [text box for client name]
> Number of Hours: [text box for hours]
> 
> You get the idea. I'm running into a few questions, though.
> 
> 1. How do I get the text box to fit the height of the line of text it's 
> on? VO reports that it's 1.2 inches tall, which strikes me as rather 
> large.
> 2. Do I even need a text box, or am I trying to use one where a different 
> item would work better?
> 3. If I do need one, how can I insert text around it? I inserted one, but 
> even if I go to the end of the line and hit return, then type, the box is 
> pushed along to the end of my new line of text instead of staying where I 
> put it.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.
> 
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> mehg...@icloud.com
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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

[Marie Lyons]

I have been using Dell computers for years and have my keyboard and monitor. 
Does anyone know if you can use them with the Mac mini? I am thinking about 
abandoning Windows for some type of mac.

Marie 
 Fixed income, hell mine is broken Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
> wrote:
> 
> Honestly, your friend is better off buying a MacBook Air. The only thing that 
> is in the box when you buy the Mac Mini is the Mac Mini with chord. There is 
> no keyboard, no decent speaker, no monitor, and, if your friend is used to an 
> iPhone, they will need a trackpad as well. VO on the Mac can be confusing, 
> even if you know VO from the iPhone or other devices. If your friend wants to 
> learn a Mac, then they are better off with an Air. Everything is included. 
> But, honestly, your friend should just stick with Windows if they aren’t 
> comfortable with big change. Windows 8/10 is a smaller change than moving to 
> a mac would be. 
> HTH, 
> Aleeha 
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason 
>> for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to 
>> learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long 
>> before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with 
>> iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major 
>> change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple 
>> versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a 
>> Windows 7 machine because it was something  that he is familiar with. My 
>> question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it 
>> of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order 
>> to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does 
>> it include a keyboard or  speakers? 
>> I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating 
>> system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank 
>> God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join 
>> it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer 
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>> Many many thanks, 
>> 
>> Pam Francis
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Re: Text boxes in Pages?

[Alex Hall]

Oh no, I really don't like Quick Nav and leave it off whenever I can. Odd the 
rest of the line doesn't read normally. Oh wait, this might be a beta thing, so 
ignore me. :)
> On Jul 26, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> I’m not sure how you’re reading the text. If you just use the arrow keys, 
> placeholder text will be highlighted as you reach it and will be read. When 
> you do the next right arrow, the placeholder text will be unhighlighted and 
> any normal text will be read normally.
> Never use Quick Nav in Pages! It simply isn’t worth the trouble.
> Other thoughts: have you got your mouse cursor set to ignore the other 
> cursors? It works better that way.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2015, at 16:30, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I was. Oddly, switching out of, then back to, Pages seemed to get it 
>> working. One final question on placeholder text: when I read the line 
>> holding the text, I hear only the placeholder. For example:
>> 
>> Client name: [client name placeholder]
>> 
>> If I read that line, I hear the embedded object sound, "client name 
>> placeholder", then the end embedded object sound. The rest of the line 
>> doesn't read at all. Is this expected behavior?
>>> On Jul 26, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Alex,
>>> 
>>> You have to press the VO-Tab command before each time you use the 
>>> Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t Make placeholder text command but it should work every 
>>> time. I’ve been using this for years, and in Pages09 I created a different 
>>> shortcut for Make placeholder text to avoid having to use the VO-Tab 
>>> command.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 26 Jul 2015, at 14:45, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 Thanks, this is exactly what I was after. The problem is that it only 
 worked once. I used it successfully on one line, then tried to repeat the 
 process on the next line. The hotkey does nothing, and my selected text is 
 de-selected. Is there something I have to do before I can use this mode 
 again?
> On Jul 26, 2015, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> I think you’d find placeholder text a better way for entering text that 
> changes. Just type in some typical text in the format you want, then 
> select that text, press VO-Tab for VO to ignore next key press, then 
> press Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t to make it placeholder text. When using your 
> template, the placeholder text will be highlighted when you navigate to 
> it using just the arrow keys, and typing will replace it but keep the 
> formatting.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2015, at 00:58, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey list,
>> I'm trying, once more, to get more into Pages. Hopefully, this time, I 
>> can make myself stick with it long enough to get a handle on this thing.
>> 
>> Currently, I have a few basic questions: I'm making a template I can use 
>> to fill out client reports and bills (I'm an AT instructor and have to 
>> email my clients this information). I thought I'd put text boxes in 
>> where I'll be entering text that can change, and just type the text that 
>> won't. Here's a super simple example:
>> 
>> Alex Hall
>> [auto-inserted date]
>> 
>> Client Name: [text box for client name]
>> Number of Hours: [text box for hours]
>> 
>> You get the idea. I'm running into a few questions, though.
>> 
>> 1. How do I get the text box to fit the height of the line of text it's 
>> on? VO reports that it's 1.2 inches tall, which strikes me as rather 
>> large.
>> 2. Do I even need a text box, or am I trying to use one where a 
>> different item would work better?
>> 3. If I do need one, how can I insert text around it? I inserted one, 
>> but even if I go to the end of the line and hit return, then type, the 
>> box is pushed along to the end of my new line of text instead of staying 
>> where I put it.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.
>> 
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>> Alex Hall
>> mehg...@icloud.com
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Re: Text boxes in Pages?

[eileen . misrahi]

Hi Ann,

Before I think about diving into Pages myself, I was wondering if this is 
possible with Pages after all the placemarkers are set? Is there a way to place 
the document in protective mode and then use the tab key to jump from one place 
marker to another or will the keystroke VO-J accomplish this action? This would 
speed up the process in filling out the document before submitting all 
documents to an agency for billing purposes. Please forgive me for relating the 
content to Word, but I'm a converter from the PC world and although I have 
joined the Mac world for the most part, I still go back to the PC side to 
expedite a task that I can complete in an efficient manner. One of these days 
I'll totally make the switch and take the plunge. I value your knowledge base 
in using the iWorks suite. Thanks for listening and I'll save this thread for 
future use.

Kind regards,
Eileen




Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2015, at 7:30 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I was. Oddly, switching out of, then back to, Pages seemed to get it working. 
> One final question on placeholder text: when I read the line holding the 
> text, I hear only the placeholder. For example:
> 
> Client name: [client name placeholder]
> 
> If I read that line, I hear the embedded object sound, "client name 
> placeholder", then the end embedded object sound. The rest of the line 
> doesn't read at all. Is this expected behavior?
>> On Jul 26, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Alex,
>> 
>> You have to press the VO-Tab command before each time you use the 
>> Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t Make placeholder text command but it should work every 
>> time. I’ve been using this for years, and in Pages09 I created a different 
>> shortcut for Make placeholder text to avoid having to use the VO-Tab command.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Jul 2015, at 14:45, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, this is exactly what I was after. The problem is that it only 
>>> worked once. I used it successfully on one line, then tried to repeat the 
>>> process on the next line. The hotkey does nothing, and my selected text is 
>>> de-selected. Is there something I have to do before I can use this mode 
>>> again?
 On Jul 26, 2015, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
 
 Hello Alex,
 
 I think you’d find placeholder text a better way for entering text that 
 changes. Just type in some typical text in the format you want, then 
 select that text, press VO-Tab for VO to ignore next key press, then press 
 Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t to make it placeholder text. When using your template, 
 the placeholder text will be highlighted when you navigate to it using 
 just the arrow keys, and typing will replace it but keep the formatting.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
> On 26 Jul 2015, at 00:58, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hey list,
> I'm trying, once more, to get more into Pages. Hopefully, this time, I 
> can make myself stick with it long enough to get a handle on this thing.
> 
> Currently, I have a few basic questions: I'm making a template I can use 
> to fill out client reports and bills (I'm an AT instructor and have to 
> email my clients this information). I thought I'd put text boxes in where 
> I'll be entering text that can change, and just type the text that won't. 
> Here's a super simple example:
> 
> Alex Hall
> [auto-inserted date]
> 
> Client Name: [text box for client name]
> Number of Hours: [text box for hours]
> 
> You get the idea. I'm running into a few questions, though.
> 
> 1. How do I get the text box to fit the height of the line of text it's 
> on? VO reports that it's 1.2 inches tall, which strikes me as rather 
> large.
> 2. Do I even need a text box, or am I trying to use one where a different 
> item would work better?
> 3. If I do need one, how can I insert text around it? I inserted one, but 
> even if I go to the end of the line and hit return, then type, the box is 
> pushed along to the end of my new line of text instead of staying where I 
> put it.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.
> 
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> Alex Hall
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Re: siri's sense of humor, and ability to..?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Siri is more like a Star Trek kind of computer thing whereby you can ask 
him/her directions, questions both real and silly, place commands like "open my 
Music app" etc.  VoiceOver is audio announcements and modified gestures of 
visible items on the screen so that a visually impaired user can hopefully use 
the device in a similar fashion as a sighted user.  They are actually 
independent of each other although they use some common aspects of the iOS.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 25, 2015, at 14:42, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

may I ask the difference?
What does  siri provide that voiceover does not on ios divices?
Thanks,
Karen


On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

> Hey Tim, just to correct you on something, if you're talking about the 
> enhanced quality for the Siri voices, you can't download those with the steps 
> you listed below. Those voices can only be downloaded by plugging into a 
> power source and if you're connected to Wifi. If you're talking about the 
> regular Voiceover voices, then yes, the steps below will work. It would be 
> helpful to both of us if the poster who was wondering about the voices could 
> tell us if she wanted the enhanced Voiceover voices or the enhanced Siri 
> voices.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> To download the enhanced version of voices, go to Settings, General, 
>> Accessibility, VoiceOver, Speech then double-tap on the Default Voice.  In 
>> this screen you can download the enhanced version and/or add new voices.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 07:54, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh really? Where do you go to do that?  I didn't see that option, but 
>> suppose I never really looked for it either sense I didn't really look under 
>> the settings too much lol.
>> On Jul 18, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you download the enhanced version of those voices, the quality improves 
>>> dramatically.
>>> 
>>> Later
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2015, at 09:13, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I finally checked that out last night, and thought the British voice was 
>>> ok, but was disappointed that most of the other voices weren't as 
>>> high-quality sounding, the British voice being one of them.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Oh yes, there is more than one man.
 Here is hoping the ability to nuance comes in the next incarnation.
 Kare
 
 
 On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Jessica Moss wrote:
 
> There's more than 1 male voice now?  I had now idea; will have to check 
> that out.
> I love the American voice but would like to see what else is available 
> too.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Karen,
>> You can have a male Siri if you like, it’s in the choices under Siri in 
>> settings. I have a nice Brit gentleman, for instance, instead of the 
>> snotty American version!  lol
>> hth,
>> Caitlyn(not Genner, btw! another lol)
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> as to the first question, I understand she? had no idea she is a girl, 
>>> has an amusing answer to  questions like... what's zero divided by 
>>> zero?"
>>> if noone has tried it, I will not spoil the fun.
>>> I understand too that she will correct anyone  seeking physical 
>>> information about Bruce Jenner.
>>> The other half of my question has to do with nuance.
>>> I recently visited an apple store to learn  if the ios voices could be 
>>> nuanced the way mac voices can.  I was dismayed that while you can 
>>> speed the voice up and slow it down, you cannot  improve the over all 
>>> quality..but I did not try Siri  at all.
>>> I was working with an ipad, not a phone.
>>> so can she be improved?
>>> I may need to check her out, I tend to prefer a guy's voice talking in 
>>> my ear even on my computer lol.
>>> Still  it might be the difference between ever using an ios device as 
>>> is the case now, and considering an iphone for non phone tasks.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
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Re: Text boxes in Pages?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Eileen,

> On 26 Jul 2015, at 17:16, eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> after all the placemarkers are set? Is there a way to place the document in 
> protective mode and then use the tab key to jump from one place marker to 
> another or will the keystroke VO-J accomplish this action?

AR There is no such thing as protective mode in Pages and no, VO-j will not 
accomplish this, it will just take you to the Formatter. I haven’t found a way 
to jump to the next placeholder text. I don’t know whether this is scriptable, 
however.

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: siri's sense of humor, and ability to..?

[Karen Lewellen]

indeed?
independent of each other?
Meaning you cannot use Siri  to do comparative tasks, or to support 
voiceover  tasks and vice versa?
I am asking because as others point out from time to time, there are  ios 
applications that do not exist on the mac at all.
Those applications can only be used then with voiceover in ios, which does 
not involve siri?

thanks for educating me!
 Kare


On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi,

Siri is more like a Star Trek kind of computer thing whereby you can ask him/her 
directions, questions both real and silly, place commands like "open my Music 
app" etc.  VoiceOver is audio announcements and modified gestures of visible items 
on the screen so that a visually impaired user can hopefully use the device in a similar 
fashion as a sighted user.  They are actually independent of each other although they use 
some common aspects of the iOS.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 25, 2015, at 14:42, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

may I ask the difference?
What does  siri provide that voiceover does not on ios divices?
Thanks,
Karen


On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:


Hey Tim, just to correct you on something, if you're talking about the enhanced 
quality for the Siri voices, you can't download those with the steps you listed 
below. Those voices can only be downloaded by plugging into a power source and 
if you're connected to Wifi. If you're talking about the regular Voiceover 
voices, then yes, the steps below will work. It would be helpful to both of us 
if the poster who was wondering about the voices could tell us if she wanted 
the enhanced Voiceover voices or the enhanced Siri voices.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

To download the enhanced version of voices, go to Settings, General, 
Accessibility, VoiceOver, Speech then double-tap on the Default Voice.  In this 
screen you can download the enhanced version and/or add new voices.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 20, 2015, at 07:54, Jessica Moss  wrote:

Oh really? Where do you go to do that?  I didn't see that option, but suppose I 
never really looked for it either sense I didn't really look under the settings 
too much lol.
On Jul 18, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:


Hi,

If you download the enhanced version of those voices, the quality improves 
dramatically.

Later

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 18, 2015, at 09:13, Jessica Moss  wrote:

I finally checked that out last night, and thought the British voice was ok, 
but was disappointed that most of the other voices weren't as high-quality 
sounding, the British voice being one of them.

On Jul 17, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Oh yes, there is more than one man.
Here is hoping the ability to nuance comes in the next incarnation.
Kare


On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Jessica Moss wrote:


There's more than 1 male voice now?  I had now idea; will have to check that 
out.
I love the American voice but would like to see what else is available too.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 16, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:

Karen,
You can have a male Siri if you like, it’s in the choices under Siri in 
settings. I have a nice Brit gentleman, for instance, instead of the snotty 
American version!  lol
hth,
Caitlyn(not Genner, btw! another lol)


On Jul 15, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi folks,
as to the first question, I understand she? had no idea she is a girl, has an 
amusing answer to  questions like... what's zero divided by zero?"
if noone has tried it, I will not spoil the fun.
I understand too that she will correct anyone  seeking physical information 
about Bruce Jenner.
The other half of my question has to do with nuance.
I recently visited an apple store to learn  if the ios voices could be nuanced 
the way mac voices can.  I was dismayed that while you can speed the voice up 
and slow it down, you cannot  improve the over all quality..but I did not try 
Siri  at all.
I was working with an ipad, not a phone.
so can she be improved?
I may need to check her out, I tend to prefer a guy's voice talking in my ear 
even on my computer lol.
Still  it might be the difference between ever using an ios device as is the 
case now, and considering an iphone for non phone tasks.
Thanks,
Karen


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Re: siri's sense of humor, and ability to..?

[Tim Kilburn]

Independent in that they are not needed to work the other.  That is, not 
dependent on each other for anything.  You can ask Siri to do things for you 
but not everything.  For example, you could ask Siri to play a song in the 
Music app, but I don't believe that you could tell him/her to adjust the EQ 
settings for that song.  I don't believe that she/he is so granular yet.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 26, 2015, at 09:34, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

indeed?
independent of each other?
Meaning you cannot use Siri  to do comparative tasks, or to support voiceover  
tasks and vice versa?
I am asking because as others point out from time to time, there are  ios 
applications that do not exist on the mac at all.
Those applications can only be used then with voiceover in ios, which does not 
involve siri?
thanks for educating me!
Kare


On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Siri is more like a Star Trek kind of computer thing whereby you can ask 
> him/her directions, questions both real and silly, place commands like "open 
> my Music app" etc.  VoiceOver is audio announcements and modified gestures of 
> visible items on the screen so that a visually impaired user can hopefully 
> use the device in a similar fashion as a sighted user.  They are actually 
> independent of each other although they use some common aspects of the iOS.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 25, 2015, at 14:42, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> may I ask the difference?
> What does  siri provide that voiceover does not on ios divices?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 
> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
> 
>> Hey Tim, just to correct you on something, if you're talking about the 
>> enhanced quality for the Siri voices, you can't download those with the 
>> steps you listed below. Those voices can only be downloaded by plugging into 
>> a power source and if you're connected to Wifi. If you're talking about the 
>> regular Voiceover voices, then yes, the steps below will work. It would be 
>> helpful to both of us if the poster who was wondering about the voices could 
>> tell us if she wanted the enhanced Voiceover voices or the enhanced Siri 
>> voices.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> To download the enhanced version of voices, go to Settings, General, 
>>> Accessibility, VoiceOver, Speech then double-tap on the Default Voice.  In 
>>> this screen you can download the enhanced version and/or add new voices.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 07:54, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh really? Where do you go to do that?  I didn't see that option, but 
>>> suppose I never really looked for it either sense I didn't really look 
>>> under the settings too much lol.
>>> On Jul 18, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 If you download the enhanced version of those voices, the quality improves 
 dramatically.
 
 Later
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jul 18, 2015, at 09:13, Jessica Moss  wrote:
 
 I finally checked that out last night, and thought the British voice was 
 ok, but was disappointed that most of the other voices weren't as 
 high-quality sounding, the British voice being one of them.
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Karen Lewellen  
 wrote:
 
> Oh yes, there is more than one man.
> Here is hoping the ability to nuance comes in the next incarnation.
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Jessica Moss wrote:
> 
>> There's more than 1 male voice now?  I had now idea; will have to check 
>> that out.
>> I love the American voice but would like to see what else is available 
>> too.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Caitlyn Furness 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Karen,
>>> You can have a male Siri if you like, it’s in the choices under Siri in 
>>> settings. I have a nice Brit gentleman, for instance, instead of the 
>>> snotty American version!  lol
>>> hth,
>>> Caitlyn(not Genner, btw! another lol)
>>> 
 On Jul 15, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Karen Lewellen 
  wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 as to the first question, I understand she? had no idea she is a girl, 
 has an amusing answer to  questions like... what's zero divided by 
 zero?"
 if noone has tried it, I will not spoil the fun.
 I understand too that she will correct anyone  seeking physical 
 information about Bruce Jenner.
 The other half of my question has to do with nuance.
 I recently visited an apple store to learn  if the 

looking for a virtual machine

[John D. Lipsey]

Hi list:

Not sure anyone can help me with this, as it’s kind of an unusual request, but 
here goes.

My girlfriend has a MacBook Air, 13 inch from last year.  She’s comfortable 
doing most things on her mac, but is going off to grad school this year.  Her 
school’s disabilities services department is familiar with JAWS and windows, 
but has no familiarity with Voiceover and OSX. One of the primary programs they 
use for her grad work they tell her works brilliantly under windows with JAWS, 
but no clue about Mac accessibility.  They’re trying to get her a copy to test, 
but just in case.

The only virtual machine I have available is an XP machine that works great for 
mudding and Quenton C’s playroom, but web browsing is painful on it (I never do 
it so never bothered to even see if it was really doable). She would like a 
Windows 7 machine. I suppose I could go around and try to build her one, but if 
someone happens to have one already created and would be willing to share, that 
would be ideal.

If you like, you may write me off list about this at johnl1...@gmail.com, so we 
dont’ clutter the list with traffic that isn’t really related to the primary 
purpose of this list.

Thanks in advance!

DFTBA!

John D. Lipsey

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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You can actually design your mac when ordering it from apple store.
So you can have a similar processor or higher on the air too if  you want but 
it will cost you more too.
I don’t know how about the newer mac mini but from what i’ve learned you  get 
less speed from the newer mac mini than the older once.
/A
> 24 juli 2015 kl. 17:41 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> Hi Pam,
> I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with 
> Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if 
> you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. 
> 
> It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I 
> think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a 
> Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that 
> would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost 
> of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers 
> of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also 
> have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which 
> does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus 
> the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is 
> more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. 
> So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. 
> Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, 
> unless I needed that portability.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason 
>> for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to 
>> learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long 
>> before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with 
>> iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major 
>> change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple 
>> versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a 
>> Windows 7 machine because it was something  that he is familiar with. My 
>> question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it 
>> of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order 
>> to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does 
>> it include a keyboard or  speakers? 
>> I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating 
>> system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank 
>> God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join 
>> it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer 
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>> Many many thanks, 
>> 
>> Pam Francis
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Editing/Working with Pages Template

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
My next Pages question of the day: templates. I made a basic one, and saved it 
so I could hang onto it and keep using it for experiments. However, when I open 
it, I don't see the template text at all, just an option to add it to my 
templates list. I want to modify the template, not make a document based on it. 
How would I do this?

Related: is there a way, without adding this to my templates list, to make a 
blank document based on this template?

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Re: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t see any discussions for voiceover in the developpers forum.
So i wonder if one could mail the accessibility team for these purposes.
/A
> 25 juli 2015 kl. 01:52 skrev matthew dyer :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There are some audio problems  that need to be fixed.  Speech cuts off for no 
> reason  at all.  There are also some mail problems with vo that need to be 
> worked out as well.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:13 PM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Even a better one when starting the mbp on the log in screen when you 
>> interact with users and interact with your account, voice over tells you 
>> again your on a table and need to interact with the user in the tqable when 
>> you are actually in the password edit field and that is what it should read. 
>>  This just started in mt. capitan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcia Yale
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 14:00
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?
>> 
>> It would be nice if the cursor would land at the top of the inbox in Mail 
>> again, rather than at the bottom. If anyone knows of a fix for this 
>> annoyance, I'm interested. I know it's not difficult to interact with the 
>> messages, hit fn-shift-VO-left-arrow, but there was no need to do this a few 
>> OS's ago.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 11:30 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?
>> 
>> Report an issue where in system preferences, under the sound category, 
>> VoiceOver automatically selects the tab your focused on, without you having 
>> to press VO+space. This makes it rather difficult to navigate a tab, 
>> especially if it’s not the tab you intended to stop on.
>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 10:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm willing to do the same.  If you find something, let me know, and I'll 
>>> test it, and if I can reproduce, I'll file it, but again, I won't be 
>>> discussing its outcome, I'm sorry.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 10:53 PM
>>> Subject: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello list,
>>> Like some of you, I'm now testing 10.11. I'll not be discussing it, due to 
>>> the NDA, but I want to test as much as I can. Please let me know what bugs 
>>> you're experiencing so I can  confirm them; if they're fixed, great, but if 
>>> not, I want to tell Apple as soon as I can. I know about the bug list 
>>> AppleVis keeps, but there's no guarantee we have every bug on there. Note 
>>> that I can't test foreign language or braille display bugs, and remember 
>>> that I won't be reporting back on the status of anything you send. Thanks!
>>> 
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>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com
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Re: siri's sense of humor, and ability to..?

[Jessica Moss]

I was looking for the Siri voices.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2015, at 1:56 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey Tim, just to correct you on something, if you're talking about the 
> enhanced quality for the Siri voices, you can't download those with the steps 
> you listed below. Those voices can only be downloaded by plugging into a 
> power source and if you're connected to Wifi. If you're talking about the 
> regular Voiceover voices, then yes, the steps below will work. It would be 
> helpful to both of us if the poster who was wondering about the voices could 
> tell us if she wanted the enhanced Voiceover voices or the enhanced Siri 
> voices.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> To download the enhanced version of voices, go to Settings, General, 
>> Accessibility, VoiceOver, Speech then double-tap on the Default Voice.  In 
>> this screen you can download the enhanced version and/or add new voices.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 07:54, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh really? Where do you go to do that?  I didn't see that option, but 
>> suppose I never really looked for it either sense I didn't really look under 
>> the settings too much lol.
>>> On Jul 18, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you download the enhanced version of those voices, the quality improves 
>>> dramatically.
>>> 
>>> Later
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2015, at 09:13, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I finally checked that out last night, and thought the British voice was 
>>> ok, but was disappointed that most of the other voices weren't as 
>>> high-quality sounding, the British voice being one of them.
>>> 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Karen Lewellen  
 wrote:
 
 Oh yes, there is more than one man.
 Here is hoping the ability to nuance comes in the next incarnation.
 Kare
 
 
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Jessica Moss wrote:
> 
> There's more than 1 male voice now?  I had now idea; will have to check 
> that out.
> I love the American voice but would like to see what else is available 
> too.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Karen,
>> You can have a male Siri if you like, it’s in the choices under Siri in 
>> settings. I have a nice Brit gentleman, for instance, instead of the 
>> snotty American version!  lol
>> hth,
>> Caitlyn(not Genner, btw! another lol)
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> as to the first question, I understand she? had no idea she is a girl, 
>>> has an amusing answer to  questions like... what's zero divided by 
>>> zero?"
>>> if noone has tried it, I will not spoil the fun.
>>> I understand too that she will correct anyone  seeking physical 
>>> information about Bruce Jenner.
>>> The other half of my question has to do with nuance.
>>> I recently visited an apple store to learn  if the ios voices could be 
>>> nuanced the way mac voices can.  I was dismayed that while you can 
>>> speed the voice up and slow it down, you cannot  improve the over all 
>>> quality..but I did not try Siri  at all.
>>> I was working with an ipad, not a phone.
>>> so can she be improved?
>>> I may need to check her out, I tend to prefer a guy's voice talking in 
>>> my ear even on my computer lol.
>>> Still  it might be the difference between ever using an ios device as 
>>> is the case now, and considering an iphone for non phone tasks.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

[Kliph]

I have both the 2012 and 2014 model, and the 2012 model is not faster than the 
2014 model.  They just replaced the cores with doul cores, instead of quad 
cores, but it is much faster plus I use SSD hard drives on both, so that have 
something to do with the speed.
> On Jul 26, 2015, at 12:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> You can actually design your mac when ordering it from apple store.
> So you can have a similar processor or higher on the air too if  you want but 
> it will cost you more too.
> I don’t know how about the newer mac mini but from what i’ve learned you  get 
> less speed from the newer mac mini than the older once.
> /A
>> 24 juli 2015 kl. 17:41 skrev Mary Otten :
>> 
>> Hi Pam,
>> I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with 
>> Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if 
>> you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. 
>> 
>> It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I 
>> think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a 
>> Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that 
>> would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost 
>> of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers 
>> of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also 
>> have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which 
>> does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys 
>> plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini 
>> is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more 
>> storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better 
>> thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an 
>> air, unless I needed that portability.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason 
>>> for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to 
>>> learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long 
>>> before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with 
>>> iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major 
>>> change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple 
>>> versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a 
>>> Windows 7 machine because it was something  that he is familiar with. My 
>>> question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand 
>>> it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in 
>>> order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a 
>>> screen, does it include a keyboard or  speakers? 
>>> I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating 
>>> system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. 
>>> Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him 
>>> to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could 
>>> offer would be greatly appreciated.
>>> Many many thanks, 
>>> 
>>> Pam Francis
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Re: Mac without monitor, a success!

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Where do one download the driver you were talking about?
/A
> 25 juli 2015 kl. 15:28 skrev Devin Prater :
> 
> Well then, you're lucky.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2015, at 7:57 AM, -  wrote:
>> 
>> Someone wrote:
>> 
>> "Hi all, so as plenty of you know, I am the proud owner of a lovely Mac Mini 
>> late 2012 model. As many of you also know, this mac also does not do will 
>> when not connected to a monitor."
>> 
>> I just bought a new mac mini of the 2014 and later model.  It doesn't 
>> require a monitor.  I have one but leave it unplugged.
>> 
>> 
>> XB
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Re: Voiceover is lost for words

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

Yes I already reported this as a bug.  You may want to do the same.   It is 
really annoying.

Matthew


> On Jul 25, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> I'm on el capitan public beta 2, and have quite a problem. So, I restarted my 
> mac after having it install the update, and now VoiceOver always seems to 
> stop speaking in the middle of a prompt. For example, it'll say:
> "Finder, list view..."
> No "table", no currently selected item, none of that. Also, this happens in 
> safari too when reading, for example, an article on AppleVis. The reason I 
> bring this to your attention is that I'm wondering if this is a bug, a 
> feature, or a change, or if there is a way around it without sacrificing the 
> speed of the beta, even compared with the stable release.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Editing/Working with Pages Template

[george b]

No you  after starting with a blank doc.  Make the doc. How you want it and 
then save it as a templet give it a name and you need to put it in your 
templets list or it will not save as a templet

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Subject: Editing/Working with Pages Template

Hi all,
My next Pages question of the day: templates. I made a basic one, and saved it 
so I could hang onto it and keep using it for experiments. However, when I open 
it, I don't see the template text at all, just an option to add it to my 
templates list. I want to modify the template, not make a document based on it. 
How would I do this?

Related: is there a way, without adding this to my templates list, to make a 
blank document based on this template?

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Doing a Keynote presentation

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello All,

I will be doing a keynote presentation later this year. I hopefully will be 
able to take my Apple TV to hook up to their screen and I should be able to 
take it from there. Looking at keynote, I can start the presentation but is it 
easy to go back etc. I wondered if anyone who has done this and what tips they 
could offer about keynote or Apple TV configuration? I want to spend time on 
the technology now so that my focus can be on the content rather than playing 
with gadgets.

Thanks.

Gena

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Re: Voiceover is lost for words

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Has the feedback utility gone any better or do you report directly to the 
accessibility team?
/A
> 26 juli 2015 kl. 19:04 skrev matthew dyer :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes I already reported this as a bug.  You may want to do the same.   It is 
> really annoying.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> I'm on el capitan public beta 2, and have quite a problem. So, I restarted 
>> my mac after having it install the update, and now VoiceOver always seems to 
>> stop speaking in the middle of a prompt. For example, it'll say:
>> "Finder, list view..."
>> No "table", no currently selected item, none of that. Also, this happens in 
>> safari too when reading, for example, an article on AppleVis. The reason I 
>> bring this to your attention is that I'm wondering if this is a bug, a 
>> feature, or a change, or if there is a way around it without sacrificing the 
>> speed of the beta, even compared with the stable release.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Editing/Working with Pages Template

[Alex Hall]

Pages lets you see the template to your templates list, or as a stand-alone 
file. I've done the latter, but how do I now go back in and modify how the 
template looks and what it contains?
> On Jul 26, 2015, at 1:19 PM, george b  wrote:
> 
> No you  after starting with a blank doc.  Make the doc. How you want it and 
> then save it as a templet give it a name and you need to put it in your 
> templets list or it will not save as a templet
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 09:27
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Editing/Working with Pages Template
> 
> Hi all,
> My next Pages question of the day: templates. I made a basic one, and saved 
> it so I could hang onto it and keep using it for experiments. However, when I 
> open it, I don't see the template text at all, just an option to add it to my 
> templates list. I want to modify the template, not make a document based on 
> it. How would I do this?
> 
> Related: is there a way, without adding this to my templates list, to make a 
> blank document based on this template?
> 
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Re: Editing/Working with Pages Template

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Alex,

You have to add the template to your templates list to be able to open it and 
modify it. You can use an existing template as the basis for a new template and 
you can turn placeholder text back into normal text using the same command that 
made it placeholder text in the first place.
To delete a template from your templates in the chooser, navigate to the one to 
be deleted, bring the mouse and get a contextual menu with Ctrl-Click using the 
mouse or trackpad to click. VO-Shift-m doesn’t work.

You did the sensible thing by saving your template in the Finder first, as once 
it’s in the template chooser, you can no longer find it to share it with anyone.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 26 Jul 2015, at 18:27, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> My next Pages question of the day: templates. I made a basic one, and saved 
> it so I could hang onto it and keep using it for experiments. However, when I 
> open it, I don't see the template text at all, just an option to add it to my 
> templates list. I want to modify the template, not make a document based on 
> it. How would I do this?
> 
> Related: is there a way, without adding this to my templates list, to make a 
> blank document based on this template?

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Re: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?

[sadam . lists]

Although I'm not running the beta. I believe the feedback assistant is still 
available. 

Glad I decided to stay away from running this on my primary system. 

Sent from my iPhone 

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> On 27 Jul 2015, at 2:44 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I don’t see any discussions for voiceover in the developpers forum.
> So i wonder if one could mail the accessibility team for these purposes.
> /A
>> 25 juli 2015 kl. 01:52 skrev matthew dyer :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> There are some audio problems  that need to be fixed.  Speech cuts off for 
>> no reason  at all.  There are also some mail problems with vo that need to 
>> be worked out as well.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:13 PM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Even a better one when starting the mbp on the log in screen when you 
>>> interact with users and interact with your account, voice over tells you 
>>> again your on a table and need to interact with the user in the tqable when 
>>> you are actually in the password edit field and that is what it should 
>>> read.  This just started in mt. capitan
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcia Yale
>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 14:00
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?
>>> 
>>> It would be nice if the cursor would land at the top of the inbox in Mail 
>>> again, rather than at the bottom. If anyone knows of a fix for this 
>>> annoyance, I'm interested. I know it's not difficult to interact with the 
>>> messages, hit fn-shift-VO-left-arrow, but there was no need to do this a 
>>> few OS's ago.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 11:30 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?
>>> 
>>> Report an issue where in system preferences, under the sound category, 
>>> VoiceOver automatically selects the tab your focused on, without you having 
>>> to press VO+space. This makes it rather difficult to navigate a tab, 
>>> especially if it’s not the tab you intended to stop on.
 On Jul 11, 2015, at 10:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 I'm willing to do the same.  If you find something, let me know, and I'll 
 test it, and if I can reproduce, I'll file it, but again, I won't be 
 discussing its outcome, I'm sorry.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" 
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 10:53 PM
 Subject: OS X bugs to test for in 10.11?
 
 
 Hello list,
 Like some of you, I'm now testing 10.11. I'll not be discussing it, due to 
 the NDA, but I want to test as much as I can. Please let me know what bugs 
 you're experiencing so I can  confirm them; if they're fixed, great, but 
 if not, I want to tell Apple as soon as I can. I know about the bug list 
 AppleVis keeps, but there's no guarantee we have every bug on there. Note 
 that I can't test foreign language or braille display bugs, and remember 
 that I won't be reporting back on the status of anything you send. Thanks!
 
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default word processor

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi,
Can someone tell me if there is a way to make text edit my default word 
processor?
I don’t care for Pages at all.

Blessings,
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Facebook sounds.

[sadam . lists]

Hi all, 

As of a few updates I'm not receiving sounds related to Facebook events. 

These came through fine before updating. 

Have adjusted sound settings in the app but has made no difference. 

Any suggestions? 

Thank you, 

Sadam Ahmed 

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Re: Voiceover is lost for words

[Daniel Miller]

You use the feedback assistant for all bugs concerning the beta. I’m sure the 
accessibility team will tell you to do the same thing if you report an issue to 
them.
> On Jul 26, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Has the feedback utility gone any better or do you report directly to the 
> accessibility team?
> /A
>> 26 juli 2015 kl. 19:04 skrev matthew dyer :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes I already reported this as a bug.  You may want to do the same.   It is 
>> really annoying.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> I'm on el capitan public beta 2, and have quite a problem. So, I restarted 
>>> my mac after having it install the update, and now VoiceOver always seems 
>>> to stop speaking in the middle of a prompt. For example, it'll say:
>>> "Finder, list view..."
>>> No "table", no currently selected item, none of that. Also, this happens in 
>>> safari too when reading, for example, an article on AppleVis. The reason I 
>>> bring this to your attention is that I'm wondering if this is a bug, a 
>>> feature, or a change, or if there is a way around it without sacrificing 
>>> the speed of the beta, even compared with the stable release.  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: default word processor

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Stacey,

You have to do this for each type of file you want to edit with TextEdit. So, 
normally, RTF will open with TextEdit but DOC and DOCX will have to be changed.

Select a file of the type you wish to change and press Cmd-i to open the 
Information window.
Interact with the scroll area.
Press VO-i for the Item Chooser and type the letters “op” to find Open with.
If the disclosure triangle is collapsed, press VO-Space to expand it.
Navigate right once and press VO-Space on the menu button.
Type the letters “te” for TexteEdit then press Return.
Navigate right to Use this application to open all documents like this one and 
continue right to the button.
If the button is dimmed, you’ll need to go to the end of the window to unlock 
the padlock which requires you to type in your admin password.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 26 Jul 2015, at 20:45, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Can someone tell me if there is a way to make text edit my default word 
> processor?
> I don’t care for Pages at all.
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
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Re: Doing a Keynote presentation

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Once the presentation is going, you can use right arrow to move forward and 
left arrow to move bac.  You can also use either spacebar or return to advance 
through slides.  The Apple Remote also works in Keynote to be able to advance 
and go back.  Test them out and see how it works for you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 26, 2015, at 11:52, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello All,

I will be doing a keynote presentation later this year. I hopefully will be 
able to take my Apple TV to hook up to their screen and I should be able to 
take it from there. Looking at keynote, I can start the presentation but is it 
easy to go back etc. I wondered if anyone who has done this and what tips they 
could offer about keynote or Apple TV configuration? I want to spend time on 
the technology now so that my focus can be on the content rather than playing 
with gadgets.

Thanks.

Gena

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Re: Mac without monitor, a success!

[Devin Prater]

duet-display.com i think. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Where do one download the driver you were talking about?
> /A
>> 25 juli 2015 kl. 15:28 skrev Devin Prater :
>> 
>> Well then, you're lucky.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2015, at 7:57 AM, -  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Someone wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Hi all, so as plenty of you know, I am the proud owner of a lovely Mac 
>>> Mini late 2012 model. As many of you also know, this mac also does not do 
>>> will when not connected to a monitor."
>>> 
>>> I just bought a new mac mini of the 2014 and later model.  It doesn't 
>>> require a monitor.  I have one but leave it unplugged.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> XB
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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

[Devin Prater]

I'd take the keyboard and the monitor to the Apple store and try them both out 
on the Mac to make sure. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
> 
> I have been using Dell computers for years and have my keyboard and monitor. 
> Does anyone know if you can use them with the Mac mini? I am thinking about 
> abandoning Windows for some type of mac.
> 
> Marie 
>  Fixed income, hell mine is broken Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Honestly, your friend is better off buying a MacBook Air. The only thing 
>> that is in the box when you buy the Mac Mini is the Mac Mini with chord. 
>> There is no keyboard, no decent speaker, no monitor, and, if your friend is 
>> used to an iPhone, they will need a trackpad as well. VO on the Mac can be 
>> confusing, even if you know VO from the iPhone or other devices. If your 
>> friend wants to learn a Mac, then they are better off with an Air. 
>> Everything is included. But, honestly, your friend should just stick with 
>> Windows if they aren’t comfortable with big change. Windows 8/10 is a 
>> smaller change than moving to a mac would be. 
>> HTH, 
>> Aleeha 
>>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason 
>>> for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to 
>>> learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long 
>>> before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with 
>>> iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major 
>>> change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple 
>>> versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a 
>>> Windows 7 machine because it was something  that he is familiar with. My 
>>> question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand 
>>> it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in 
>>> order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a 
>>> screen, does it include a keyboard or  speakers? 
>>> I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating 
>>> system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. 
>>> Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him 
>>> to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could 
>>> offer would be greatly appreciated.
>>> Many many thanks, 
>>> 
>>> Pam Francis
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Re: Voiceover is lost for words

[Andrew Lamanche]

I've never had much trouble with the Feedback utility on El Capitan beta apart 
from the fact that it seems to suggest every time that I should attach a file 
when actually files have already been selected and attached by default.  
There's a scroll area with which one has to interact but that's pretty easy 
once you've interacted with it.  If you are talking about El Capitan, you need 
to use the Feedback application to report bugs.

Andrew
> On 26 Jul 2015, at 19:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Has the feedback utility gone any better or do you report directly to the 
> accessibility team?
> /A
>> 26 juli 2015 kl. 19:04 skrev matthew dyer :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes I already reported this as a bug.  You may want to do the same.   It is 
>> really annoying.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> I'm on el capitan public beta 2, and have quite a problem. So, I restarted 
>>> my mac after having it install the update, and now VoiceOver always seems 
>>> to stop speaking in the middle of a prompt. For example, it'll say:
>>> "Finder, list view..."
>>> No "table", no currently selected item, none of that. Also, this happens in 
>>> safari too when reading, for example, an article on AppleVis. The reason I 
>>> bring this to your attention is that I'm wondering if this is a bug, a 
>>> feature, or a change, or if there is a way around it without sacrificing 
>>> the speed of the beta, even compared with the stable release.  
>>> 
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Re: Doing a Keynote presentation

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Tim,

Sorry, I should have said, I had planned on using my iPhone or iPad.

Gena

> On 26 Jul 2015, at 20:08, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Once the presentation is going, you can use right arrow to move forward and 
> left arrow to move bac.  You can also use either spacebar or return to 
> advance through slides.  The Apple Remote also works in Keynote to be able to 
> advance and go back.  Test them out and see how it works for you.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 26, 2015, at 11:52, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I will be doing a keynote presentation later this year. I hopefully will be 
> able to take my Apple TV to hook up to their screen and I should be able to 
> take it from there. Looking at keynote, I can start the presentation but is 
> it easy to go back etc. I wondered if anyone who has done this and what tips 
> they could offer about keynote or Apple TV configuration? I want to spend 
> time on the technology now so that my focus can be on the content rather than 
> playing with gadgets.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Gena
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Re: Doing a Keynote presentation

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Hmmm.  I'm not sure although I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be particularly 
difficult.  I have used the Keynote iOS app but never for an actual 
presentation.  I'll have to investigate a little further.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 26, 2015, at 14:40, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello Tim,

Sorry, I should have said, I had planned on using my iPhone or iPad.

Gena

> On 26 Jul 2015, at 20:08, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Once the presentation is going, you can use right arrow to move forward and 
> left arrow to move bac.  You can also use either spacebar or return to 
> advance through slides.  The Apple Remote also works in Keynote to be able to 
> advance and go back.  Test them out and see how it works for you.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 26, 2015, at 11:52, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I will be doing a keynote presentation later this year. I hopefully will be 
> able to take my Apple TV to hook up to their screen and I should be able to 
> take it from there. Looking at keynote, I can start the presentation but is 
> it easy to go back etc. I wondered if anyone who has done this and what tips 
> they could offer about keynote or Apple TV configuration? I want to spend 
> time on the technology now so that my focus can be on the content rather than 
> playing with gadgets.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Gena
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iPhone behaving strangely

[Eric Oyen]

hello everyone,

I updated to iOS 8.4  about 2 months ago. everything was working fine until the 
last 2 weeks. Now, I am starting to see some strange behavior.
Firstly, the phone seems laggy when starting applications (voiceover stops 
speaking for up to a minute),
some apps (like Facebook) have their primary screen disappear (giving me bonks 
while trying to interact with it),
the Onscreen keyboard doesn't appear in either messenger or Facebook (thus not 
allowing me to use the dictate function),
some of the apps in the app chooser won't return to foreground when selected 
and double tapped,
storage on the device seems to be incorrect (reports 7gb used with 5 gb 
remaining and this is on a 16gb phone!).

I haven't tried a reset on the phone yet (I am loathe to try this as I would 
have to put back in a lot of data such as passwords, etc.

anyone have any suggestions on how I can solve this?

-eric

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Re: iPhone behaving strangely

[Devin Prater]

backup then restore.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> hello everyone,
> 
> I updated to iOS 8.4  about 2 months ago. everything was working fine until 
> the last 2 weeks. Now, I am starting to see some strange behavior.
> Firstly, the phone seems laggy when starting applications (voiceover stops 
> speaking for up to a minute),
> some apps (like Facebook) have their primary screen disappear (giving me 
> bonks while trying to interact with it),
> the Onscreen keyboard doesn't appear in either messenger or Facebook (thus 
> not allowing me to use the dictate function),
> some of the apps in the app chooser won't return to foreground when selected 
> and double tapped,
> storage on the device seems to be incorrect (reports 7gb used with 5 gb 
> remaining and this is on a 16gb phone!).
> 
> I haven't tried a reset on the phone yet (I am loathe to try this as I would 
> have to put back in a lot of data such as passwords, etc.
> 
> anyone have any suggestions on how I can solve this?
> 
> -eric
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Re: iPhone behaving strangely

[E.T.]

   In the app switcher, close ALL apps and see if that helps. Sounds 
like too many are left open and hogging the resources.


   A reset will not wipe the data. Pressing both home and power button 
until the phone reboots will not harm data. But try using the app 
switcher first.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 7/26/2015 3:27 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

hello everyone,

I updated to iOS 8.4  about 2 months ago. everything was working fine until the 
last 2 weeks. Now, I am starting to see some strange behavior.
Firstly, the phone seems laggy when starting applications (voiceover stops 
speaking for up to a minute),
some apps (like Facebook) have their primary screen disappear (giving me bonks 
while trying to interact with it),
the Onscreen keyboard doesn't appear in either messenger or Facebook (thus not 
allowing me to use the dictate function),
some of the apps in the app chooser won't return to foreground when selected 
and double tapped,
storage on the device seems to be incorrect (reports 7gb used with 5 gb 
remaining and this is on a 16gb phone!).

I haven't tried a reset on the phone yet (I am loathe to try this as I would 
have to put back in a lot of data such as passwords, etc.

anyone have any suggestions on how I can solve this?

-eric



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Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini

[percygarrett]

Yes Marie. I use a Mac mini augmented with Dell periphials. Although my Mac 
mini doesn't require a monitor, I use aDell monitor and keyboard. I use an 
external CD drive and an Epson printer.
Percy
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marie Lyons 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:11 AM
  Subject: Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini


  I have been using Dell computers for years and have my keyboard and monitor. 
Does anyone know if you can use them with the Mac mini? I am thinking about 
abandoning Windows for some type of mac.

  Marie 
   Fixed income, hell mine is broken Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
wrote:


Honestly, your friend is better off buying a MacBook Air. The only thing 
that is in the box when you buy the Mac Mini is the Mac Mini with chord. There 
is no keyboard, no decent speaker, no monitor, and, if your friend is used to 
an iPhone, they will need a trackpad as well. VO on the Mac can be confusing, 
even if you know VO from the iPhone or other devices. If your friend wants to 
learn a Mac, then they are better off with an Air. Everything is included. But, 
honestly, your friend should just stick with Windows if they aren’t comfortable 
with big change. Windows 8/10 is a smaller change than moving to a mac would 
be. 
HTH, 
Aleeha 

  On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Pamela Francis  
wrote:



  Hi everyone,

  I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic 
reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time 
to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long 
before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS 
devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change 
in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus 
Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 
machine because it was something  that he is familiar with. My question for the 
group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac 
Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? 
If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or  
speakers? 

  I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating 
system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank 
God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it 
before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be 
greatly appreciated.

  Many many thanks, 



  Pam Francis



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Re: Editing/Working with Pages Template

[Alex Hall]

Thanks, I'm now able to make a new document based on my template. How do I go 
in and modify the template itself, though, so that documents I make in future 
using it will look different? It's a test, as I said, so I'll want to do more 
than just the three lines I have now. Do I have to just keep making new 
documents, modifying, and saving each revision as a template, then deleting the 
previous one? It seems like there should be a way to edit the master template.
> On Jul 26, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> You have to add the template to your templates list to be able to open it and 
> modify it. You can use an existing template as the basis for a new template 
> and you can turn placeholder text back into normal text using the same 
> command that made it placeholder text in the first place.
> To delete a template from your templates in the chooser, navigate to the one 
> to be deleted, bring the mouse and get a contextual menu with Ctrl-Click 
> using the mouse or trackpad to click. VO-Shift-m doesn’t work.
> 
> You did the sensible thing by saving your template in the Finder first, as 
> once it’s in the template chooser, you can no longer find it to share it with 
> anyone.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2015, at 18:27, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> My next Pages question of the day: templates. I made a basic one, and saved 
>> it so I could hang onto it and keep using it for experiments. However, when 
>> I open it, I don't see the template text at all, just an option to add it to 
>> my templates list. I want to modify the template, not make a document based 
>> on it. How would I do this?
>> 
>> Related: is there a way, without adding this to my templates list, to make a 
>> blank document based on this template?
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