Re: CereProc

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There ar several swedish voices but they’re really a mess to my ears.
I have to stand them though on my i-devices.
Now i use the acapella voices and they’re ok but not the best.
The best i’ve heard comes from Ivona or Loquendo.
Or Espeak is also a good one for my ears.
But people here in Sweden say i am crazy who loves espeak.
Blessings.
/A
> 27 aug. 2015 kl. 17:40 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :
> 
> Isn't there a swedish voice in the Nuance set of voices which can be 
> downloaded to OSX?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" 
> To: "'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: CereProc
> 
> 
> Hi!
> I was going to try it out but they didn’t have a swedish voice so i gave up.
> But i asked them to create a swedish voice.
> And actually i got a positive answer.
> Maybe i should try it out again.
> /A
>> 27 aug. 2015 kl. 16:37 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just checked out CereProc again, and unless my ears deceive me, there does 
>> seem to be a substantial improvement since I last visited some years back.
>> 
>> Is anybody now using CereProc voices in production under VoiceOver, and how 
>> do they find it?  These voices are expensive—£25 a pop—so I want to be sure 
>> I’m not going to be surprised by the quality of the software.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sabahattin
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Re: Copy & Paste in Numbers

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Try pasting what's been copied into a blank TextEdit document.  It's best to 
have the TextEdit document set to Plain Text to get the best results.  So, when 
you open a blank TextEdit document, press cmd-shift-t and it will be set to 
Plain Text.  Press cmd-v to paste in the contents of the copied cell.  Often, 
VO will announce "Copy" even if the item was not actually put into the 
Clipboard, I think VO is simply announcing what key combination was pressed.  
If nothing is pasted into your TextEdit document when doing this, then it's not 
likely focusing properly on the cell and thus not really copying anything.  If 
this is the case, try using just arrow keys or the tab key to navigate to the 
cell that you're copying from and see if that changes anything.

Keep me in the loop.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 27, 2015, at 21:22, Agent086b  wrote:

Hi Tim,
> thanks for your reply. I created a new blank document and still can’t copy 
> and paste numbers. As I understand things when I move to a sell it is 
> highlighted then I just copy it. In the new document there is no formulas I 
> just wrote sum figures.  
Now I must type in the figures which is a real pest.
Thanks again.
Max.

> 
> On 28 Aug 2015, at 1:00 pm, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not sure why it's giving you grief.  Copy and paste works just fine for me in 
> all occurrences that I've attempted.  Do you know if the cell that you're 
> copying from includes a formula?  Shouldn't matter but just checking.  Try 
> navigating to the cell you want to paste into either with the tab key or the 
> arrow keys without VO keys.  See if that makes things cooperate.
> 
> Later
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 19:50, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I have a simple spreadsheet that I brought over from the PC days. I have been 
> using this for the 3 years I have been using my iMac with no problems.
> I used this spreadsheet in July and all worked well. I wish to copy some 
> figures from one sell and paste them in to another. I found today VO says 
> copy but it will not paste in the other sell.
> Thanks for any help.
> Max.
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Re: Audiobooks in iBooks for iOS | Problems with Playback Controls for m4b Files

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Nick,

Yes, it was a .m4b file.  I tend to split audio books into multiple parts of no 
more than 3 hours at a time.  A throw-back to when they seemed to need to be 
that way whereas purchased ones often go up as long as 8.5 hours nowadays.  Not 
sure if that makes any difference but it's a factor that could be considered.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 27, 2015, at 22:29, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes, it is a little frustrating in some senses, but it also gives me some hope 
that I too could get it to work properly. Maybe the problem is just with the 
particular audiobook files I’ve been using. Although, in the one audiobook, 
sometimes I can jump forward and back 15 seconds in one chapter but not in 
another, and this is where the whole book and all its chapters are just one 
file. It’s a little odd.

Was the audiobook you used a .m4b file? I think I use AudiobookBuilder as well, 
although I’m not on my iMac just now and there’s a couple of similar apps with 
very similar names.

> On 28 Aug 2015, at 10:23 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Nick,
> 
> Sorry for being slow at checking into this.  I just checked things with a 
> audio book that I ripped from CD using AudioBook Builder and everything 
> worked perfectly.  That is,
> 
> • was able to rewind and fast forward 15 seconds while playing or paused.
> • could pause the book, open another app, go back to the book and it was 
> right where I left off within a second or two.
> • went back out of the book, did the same as above and worked as it should.
> • just for fun, I opened my Mac and went to the audio book in iTunes and it 
> started from where I had left off on my iPhone.
> 
> Sorry, I hate it when things work flawlessly for one but not for the other.  
> It's like when we take our truck to the mechanic, the problem is seldom 
> visible when they are there.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 22:11, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> I’ve listened to around four or five audiobooks in the new iBooks for iOS 
> now. While I believe the playback controls all worked quite well for audible 
> .aa files, there still seems to be some issues for audiobooks I’ve imported 
> into iTunes myself. I think these are m4b files.
> 
> With these files, the skip back and forward 15 seconds buttons don’t work. 
> Flicking up and down on the book position scrubber doesn’t work either. 
> though tapping, holding, and sliding does work, though it’s difficult to 
> control accuracy this way. Also, I often lose my playback position, with 
> iBooks simply starting the audiobook from the beginning when I open the book 
> back up after having taken a break.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced these difficulties? Has anyone else used it 
> successfully for audiobooks not purchased through Audible?
> 
> Best,
> Nic
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Re: Audiobooks in iBooks for iOS | Problems with Playback Controls for m4b Files

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi Tim,

Yes, it is a little frustrating in some senses, but it also gives me some hope 
that I too could get it to work properly. Maybe the problem is just with the 
particular audiobook files I’ve been using. Although, in the one audiobook, 
sometimes I can jump forward and back 15 seconds in one chapter but not in 
another, and this is where the whole book and all its chapters are just one 
file. It’s a little odd.

Was the audiobook you used a .m4b file? I think I use AudiobookBuilder as well, 
although I’m not on my iMac just now and there’s a couple of similar apps with 
very similar names.

> On 28 Aug 2015, at 10:23 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Nick,
> 
> Sorry for being slow at checking into this.  I just checked things with a 
> audio book that I ripped from CD using AudioBook Builder and everything 
> worked perfectly.  That is,
> 
> • was able to rewind and fast forward 15 seconds while playing or paused.
> • could pause the book, open another app, go back to the book and it was 
> right where I left off within a second or two.
> • went back out of the book, did the same as above and worked as it should.
> • just for fun, I opened my Mac and went to the audio book in iTunes and it 
> started from where I had left off on my iPhone.
> 
> Sorry, I hate it when things work flawlessly for one but not for the other.  
> It's like when we take our truck to the mechanic, the problem is seldom 
> visible when they are there.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 22:11, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> I’ve listened to around four or five audiobooks in the new iBooks for iOS 
> now. While I believe the playback controls all worked quite well for audible 
> .aa files, there still seems to be some issues for audiobooks I’ve imported 
> into iTunes myself. I think these are m4b files.
> 
> With these files, the skip back and forward 15 seconds buttons don’t work. 
> Flicking up and down on the book position scrubber doesn’t work either. 
> though tapping, holding, and sliding does work, though it’s difficult to 
> control accuracy this way. Also, I often lose my playback position, with 
> iBooks simply starting the audiobook from the beginning when I open the book 
> back up after having taken a break.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced these difficulties? Has anyone else used it 
> successfully for audiobooks not purchased through Audible?
> 
> Best,
> Nic
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Re: Copy & Paste in Numbers

[Agent086b]

Hi Tim,
> thanks for your reply. I created a new blank document and still can’t copy 
> and paste numbers. As I understand things when I move to a sell it is 
> highlighted then I just copy it. In the new document there is no formulas I 
> just wrote sum figures.  
Now I must type in the figures which is a real pest.
Thanks again.
Max.

>  
> On 28 Aug 2015, at 1:00 pm, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not sure why it's giving you grief.  Copy and paste works just fine for me in 
> all occurrences that I've attempted.  Do you know if the cell that you're 
> copying from includes a formula?  Shouldn't matter but just checking.  Try 
> navigating to the cell you want to paste into either with the tab key or the 
> arrow keys without VO keys.  See if that makes things cooperate.
> 
> Later
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 19:50, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I have a simple spreadsheet that I brought over from the PC days. I have been 
> using this for the 3 years I have been using my iMac with no problems.
> I used this spreadsheet in July and all worked well. I wish to copy some 
> figures from one sell and paste them in to another. I found today VO says 
> copy but it will not paste in the other sell.
> Thanks for any help.
> Max.
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Re: iTerm?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

IPv6 is lovely and awesome and wonderful and I simply must have more of it. :)  
Right now I’m stuck behind a CGN (two layers of NAT) with IPv4 only on a 3G 
connection.  I can tell you from the bottom of my heart that I especially miss 
it now, even though honestly it depresses me just how much CGN fails to break.

At home my ISP is Andrews and Arnold in the UK who offer native v6 and a single 
public IPv4.  In my opinion any ISP that offers IPv4 service that is anything 
less than at least one publicly routable IPv4 address is not giving you the 
Internet and should be done for mis-selling.  Sadly the cretins in charge are 
seriously considering not bothering with IPv6 and maintaining v4 and using CGN, 
allowing the market to make public v4 available to those who need it most 
(i.e., gamers, BitTorrent users, terrorists, etc).

And the Apple angle?  Well, in iOS 9 Apple is making it even easier for devs to 
test their apps for IPv6 compatibility, by allowing a Mac to be turned into a 
NAT64 gateway.  In this way, app code reliant on IPv4 sockets will disappear.  
Oh yeah, and did I mention IPv6 support is now mandatory for App Store 
approval? Awesome! :)

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: Copy & Paste in Numbers

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Not sure why it's giving you grief.  Copy and paste works just fine for me in 
all occurrences that I've attempted.  Do you know if the cell that you're 
copying from includes a formula?  Shouldn't matter but just checking.  Try 
navigating to the cell you want to paste into either with the tab key or the 
arrow keys without VO keys.  See if that makes things cooperate.

Later

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 27, 2015, at 19:50, Agent086b  wrote:

Hello all,
I have a simple spreadsheet that I brought over from the PC days. I have been 
using this for the 3 years I have been using my iMac with no problems.
I used this spreadsheet in July and all worked well. I wish to copy some 
figures from one sell and paste them in to another. I found today VO says copy 
but it will not paste in the other sell.
Thanks for any help.
Max.

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Re: audible books on the Mac

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

My preferred method is to move the .AAX files from my Safari Downloads folder 
into my iTunes media library’s “Automatically add to iTunes” folder.  Do it in 
Finder while iTunes is either running or not; copy the file to the pasteboard, 
navigate to the auto-add folder and option-paste.  Or using Terminal, use the 
mv command.  When iTunes next runs, or if it is running, it will automatically 
shuffle the books into your Audiobooks folder, tag them, and list them in the 
audiobooks section.

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Sling TV

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Has anyone tried Sling TV? Is it accessible? It sounds like an option for 
cutting the cord.
Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

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Copy & Paste in Numbers

[Agent086b]

Hello all,
I have a simple spreadsheet that I brought over from the PC days. I have been 
using this for the 3 years I have been using my iMac with no problems.
I used this spreadsheet in July and all worked well. I wish to copy some 
figures from one sell and paste them in to another. I found today VO says copy 
but it will not paste in the other sell.
Thanks for any help.
Max.

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Re: Update Fusion even if you don't have the current version on your Mac? was two questions about the Mac

[Juliette Swiler]

I pressed the learn more button in the update notice, and it only charged me 
$49 for the upgrade. It was straightforward to install, but unfortunately the 
copy and paste commands don’t work to help you get the license key into the 
text field. But luckily, VoiceOver was able to maintain focus on the license 
key when I command tabbed back and forth, and it also inserted the dashes 
without me having to worry about it. So the update was successful. Now if only 
those license keys weren’t so lengthy.
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I think you can jump from 6 to 8 you’ll just have to pay the fee.
> 
> Seems the licensing has changed though, thanks Chris for the correction.  I’m 
> glad to see it was made more simple.
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 6:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Can one update Fusion even if seven is not installed?  I intend to get the 
>> next upgrade even though I don't have Windows.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 20:22, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> This has all changed since Fusion 6. You just select to try Fusion or Fusion 
>> Pro, follow the instructions and begin your 30 days evaluation. No more 
>> submitting an online form and waiting for a key to be emailed to you.
>>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 14:24, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chris, you need to also have a key even a 30 day demo key.
>>> 
>>> You can’t just install it and run it I don’t believe.  (correct me if I’m 
>>> wrong)
>>> 
>>> You have to fill out a trial form with several bits of info and then a key 
>>> is emailed to you to add.  So even with the DMG I don’t think you’ll get 
>>> that far.
>>> 
>>> What do you think?
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Caitlyn,
 
 Beautiful name By the way, thank you so much for your quick response.  
 That is kind of what I suspected regarding the download of version 8.  I 
 wonder if anyone up here may be so kind as to have a Sendspace or a 
 Dropbox link they could share of the DMG.  I'm not asking for a pirated 
 copy or anything, LOL! Make that very clear.  I'm only wanting the DMG 
 itself with the installer, so that I can run it as a demo, and evaluate if 
 I want to purchase it.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness" 
 
 To: 
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 7:07 AM
 Subject: Re: two questions about the Mac
 
 
 For Fusion, you probably have to go to their incredible inaccessable web 
 site and get the new version.  In the notice about the fusion update, 
 there should be a button to click on that says something like “learn 
 more”, or “update now”. this will take you to their web site.
 
 I am still using fusion 6.x so if they’ve changed things since then I 
 can’t help more..
 Cait
 
> On Aug 26, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Juliette Swiler  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> My first question is I got an update notice for Fusion and I only see a 
> learn more button, but no option to install it. How do I go about this? 
> Also, in iTunes, I am having a strange problem where my podcasts will not 
> update properly. However, they update properly via the podcasts app on my 
> iPhone.
> Thanks.
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Re: Audiobooks in iBooks for iOS | Problems with Playback Controls for m4b Files

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Nick,

Sorry for being slow at checking into this.  I just checked things with a audio 
book that I ripped from CD using AudioBook Builder and everything worked 
perfectly.  That is,

• was able to rewind and fast forward 15 seconds while playing or paused.
• could pause the book, open another app, go back to the book and it was right 
where I left off within a second or two.
• went back out of the book, did the same as above and worked as it should.
• just for fun, I opened my Mac and went to the audio book in iTunes and it 
started from where I had left off on my iPhone.

Sorry, I hate it when things work flawlessly for one but not for the other.  
It's like when we take our truck to the mechanic, the problem is seldom visible 
when they are there.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 19, 2015, at 22:11, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

Hi List,

I’ve listened to around four or five audiobooks in the new iBooks for iOS now. 
While I believe the playback controls all worked quite well for audible .aa 
files, there still seems to be some issues for audiobooks I’ve imported into 
iTunes myself. I think these are m4b files.

With these files, the skip back and forward 15 seconds buttons don’t work. 
Flicking up and down on the book position scrubber doesn’t work either. though 
tapping, holding, and sliding does work, though it’s difficult to control 
accuracy this way. Also, I often lose my playback position, with iBooks simply 
starting the audiobook from the beginning when I open the book back up after 
having taken a break.

Has anyone else experienced these difficulties? Has anyone else used it 
successfully for audiobooks not purchased through Audible?

Best,
Nic

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Re: Office 2016?

[sadam . lists]

Don't bother. The accessibility has regressed majorly. 

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> On 28 Aug 2015, at 9:22 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Thanks man. So under the  installation they don't have 2011 for the mac?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, so I just called Microsoft for you to ask about this, as I was actually 
>> curious myself.
>> 
>> So, here's the deal.  Office 2016 for the mac is available, yes, not even as 
>> the public preview.  It's out, but! hold on!  there is a little small catch. 
>> It is out, yes, but right now, it's only available to Office 365 
>> subscribers.  Not to official non-365 subscribers who just want it as is, 
>> full fledged.  However, on the plus side of this, it is apparently supposed 
>> to be fully released without the need for Office 365 come next month.
>> 
>> Once this is done, they will also then be releasing Office 2016 for Windows 
>> for both 365 members as well as non-365 full fledged users.
>> 
>> Please realize that none of what I am saying here breaks any NDA.  I'm 
>> telling you exactly what I was directly told by a Microsoft sales agent 
>> named Hermon.
>> 
>> If you want to get either of the versions out now of Microsoft Office for a 
>> mac, or a Windows PC, then here's what you need to do.
>> 
>> First off, be sure you're subscribed to Office 365.  You can do this through
>> 
>> http://www.office.com
>> 
>> Once you have done this, go back to the above link, and sign in with your 
>> Microsoft passport.
>> 
>> Once in, click on the link for my account.
>> 
>> I think a more direct link actually is:
>> 
>> http://account.office.com
>> 
>> It might be
>> 
>> http://myaccount.office.com
>> 
>> It's one of the two, I just don't recall which.
>> 
>> Once you're at this page and logged in, you  should see a section for 
>> installation.  If you look under here, you'll see the option to download 
>> either of these installers, for the mac, or for a PC.  Pick the one you 
>> want, download it, and install it by running the installer.  Then, make sure 
>> during the installer that you sign in with your Microsoft passport if asked 
>> to do so.  It's been a while since I've needed to install, so I don't recall 
>> exactly what that process is, but I know it's very very straight forward.
>> 
>> Once done, you're good to go.
>> 
>> As for the accessibility, I've not used it in a while, but I did try one of 
>> the older public previews, and for what it was worth, yes, there were some 
>> major issues, but for the most part, unless you were doing really really 
>> really heavy editting, it worked quite well.  Even MS Word finally has been 
>> fixed where now you can read the document window.  Remember that this was 
>> quite a few preview builds back though, so I'd honestly give it a shot.  I 
>> think you'll be at least somewhat, if not very impressed.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Joe Quinn" 
>> To: "mac list" 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:12 PM
>> Subject: Office 2016?
>> 
>> 
>>> Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?
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Re: Update Fusion even if you don't have the current version on your Mac? was two questions about the Mac

[Scott Granados]

I think you can jump from 6 to 8 you’ll just have to pay the fee.

Seems the licensing has changed though, thanks Chris for the correction.  I’m 
glad to see it was made more simple.

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 6:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Can one update Fusion even if seven is not installed?  I intend to get the 
> next upgrade even though I don't have Windows.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 20:22, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> This has all changed since Fusion 6. You just select to try Fusion or Fusion 
> Pro, follow the instructions and begin your 30 days evaluation. No more 
> submitting an online form and waiting for a key to be emailed to you.
>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 14:24, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Chris, you need to also have a key even a 30 day demo key.
>> 
>> You can’t just install it and run it I don’t believe.  (correct me if I’m 
>> wrong)
>> 
>> You have to fill out a trial form with several bits of info and then a key 
>> is emailed to you to add.  So even with the DMG I don’t think you’ll get 
>> that far.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Caitlyn,
>>> 
>>> Beautiful name By the way, thank you so much for your quick response.  That 
>>> is kind of what I suspected regarding the download of version 8.  I wonder 
>>> if anyone up here may be so kind as to have a Sendspace or a Dropbox link 
>>> they could share of the DMG.  I'm not asking for a pirated copy or 
>>> anything, LOL! Make that very clear.  I'm only wanting the DMG itself with 
>>> the installer, so that I can run it as a demo, and evaluate if I want to 
>>> purchase it.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 7:07 AM
>>> Subject: Re: two questions about the Mac
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For Fusion, you probably have to go to their incredible inaccessable web 
>>> site and get the new version.  In the notice about the fusion update, there 
>>> should be a button to click on that says something like “learn more”, or 
>>> “update now”. this will take you to their web site.
>>> 
>>> I am still using fusion 6.x so if they’ve changed things since then I can’t 
>>> help more..
>>> Cait
>>> 
 On Aug 26, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Juliette Swiler  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 My first question is I got an update notice for Fusion and I only see a 
 learn more button, but no option to install it. How do I go about this? 
 Also, in iTunes, I am having a strange problem where my podcasts will not 
 update properly. However, they update properly via the podcasts app on my 
 iPhone.
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Re: It’s official: Apple sends out September 9th special event invitations – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home

[Scott Granados]

If you ask Siri for a hint she tells you to look deep with in yourself and 
focus on September 9th.:)

That is one thing Apple does that’s clever.  They give Siri some interesting 
responses.  Ask Siri sometime what 0 divided by 0 is and she’ll tell you that 
you have no friends and gives a long analogy about how if you have no friends y 
ou can’t divide that in to smaller groups of no friends.:)

I also liked the one that responded to the question “where can I hide a body?”. 
 But they changed it.  You used to get the addresses for metal foundries, 
cement mixers, blast furnaces and that sort of thing.  Now she says something 
about she used to know the answer to that question but forgot.

Stuff like that is humorous.  Not really valuable but good for some yucks.


> On Aug 27, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Sounds great, Siri give me a hint.  Wonder what Apple have up their sleeve.  
> I for one am going for the next I phone as someone wanted my phone 6 plus at 
> a good price!
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> p.s.  Glad this list is staying as I have always liked Macvisionaries.
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 19:35, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> http://macdailynews.com/2015/08/27/its-official-apple-sends-out-september-9th-special-event-invitations/
>> 
>> It’s official: Apple sends out September 9th special event invitations
>> 
>> It’s official.
>> Apple has notified media outlets of an invitation-only event to be held at 
>> the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium in San Francisco on Wednesday, Septmeber 
>> 9th at 10am PDT.
>> 
>> The invitation melds Siri graphics with the iconic Apple logo and the text 
>> “Hey Siri, give us a hint.”
>> 
>> News that Apple’s event would be held at the cavernous Bill Graham Civic 
>> Auditorium (max. 7,000 person capacity) instead of the usual, much smaller 
>> Yerba Buena Center for the Arts (max. 750 person capacity) in San Francisco 
>> had leaked prior to Apple’s invitation mailing.
>> 
>> <150827_event_invite.jpg>
>> Apple’s September 9th 2015 special event invitation
>> 
>> MacDailyNews Take: Here we go!
>> 
>> BTW, literal bastages that we are, we fired up Siri and said, “Hey Siri, 
>> give us a hint,” but all she returned were businesses and locations with 
>> “hint” in their names.
>> 
>> When we changed that to “give me a hint,” as suggested by “Thrifty1” below, 
>> among otoher things, Siri returned:
>> 
>> <150827_siri1.jpg>
>> 
>> <150827_siri2.jpg>
>> 
>> SEE ALSO:
>> Apple expected to hold massive special event at Bill Graham Civic Center in 
>> San Francisco on September 9th – August 27, 2015
>> Mystery company books San Francisco’s massive Bill Graham Civic Auditorium 
>> through September 13th – August 24, 2015
>> 
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Re: Office 2016?

[Scott Granados]

I am told that word is still having accessibility issues on the Mac so make 
sure you try it out first.

Also, on a positive note, I’ve been using outlook on the Mac for a while now 
and it’s very accessible and works well.  So they are making progress.

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, so I just called Microsoft for you to ask about this, as I was actually 
> curious myself.
> 
> So, here's the deal.  Office 2016 for the mac is available, yes, not even as 
> the public preview.  It's out, but! hold on!  there is a little small catch. 
> It is out, yes, but right now, it's only available to Office 365 subscribers. 
>  Not to official non-365 subscribers who just want it as is, full fledged.  
> However, on the plus side of this, it is apparently supposed to be fully 
> released without the need for Office 365 come next month.
> 
> Once this is done, they will also then be releasing Office 2016 for Windows 
> for both 365 members as well as non-365 full fledged users.
> 
> Please realize that none of what I am saying here breaks any NDA.  I'm 
> telling you exactly what I was directly told by a Microsoft sales agent named 
> Hermon.
> 
> If you want to get either of the versions out now of Microsoft Office for a 
> mac, or a Windows PC, then here's what you need to do.
> 
> First off, be sure you're subscribed to Office 365.  You can do this through
> 
> http://www.office.com
> 
> Once you have done this, go back to the above link, and sign in with your 
> Microsoft passport.
> 
> Once in, click on the link for my account.
> 
> I think a more direct link actually is:
> 
> http://account.office.com
> 
> It might be
> 
> http://myaccount.office.com
> 
> It's one of the two, I just don't recall which.
> 
> Once you're at this page and logged in, you  should see a section for 
> installation.  If you look under here, you'll see the option to download 
> either of these installers, for the mac, or for a PC.  Pick the one you want, 
> download it, and install it by running the installer.  Then, make sure during 
> the installer that you sign in with your Microsoft passport if asked to do 
> so.  It's been a while since I've needed to install, so I don't recall 
> exactly what that process is, but I know it's very very straight forward.
> 
> Once done, you're good to go.
> 
> As for the accessibility, I've not used it in a while, but I did try one of 
> the older public previews, and for what it was worth, yes, there were some 
> major issues, but for the most part, unless you were doing really really 
> really heavy editting, it worked quite well.  Even MS Word finally has been 
> fixed where now you can read the document window.  Remember that this was 
> quite a few preview builds back though, so I'd honestly give it a shot.  I 
> think you'll be at least somewhat, if not very impressed.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Joe Quinn" 
> To: "mac list" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:12 PM
> Subject: Office 2016?
> 
> 
>> Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?
>> 
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Re: Office 2016?

[Joe Quinn]

Thanks man. So under the  installation they don't have 2011 for the mac?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, so I just called Microsoft for you to ask about this, as I was actually 
> curious myself.
> 
> So, here's the deal.  Office 2016 for the mac is available, yes, not even as 
> the public preview.  It's out, but! hold on!  there is a little small catch. 
> It is out, yes, but right now, it's only available to Office 365 subscribers. 
>  Not to official non-365 subscribers who just want it as is, full fledged.  
> However, on the plus side of this, it is apparently supposed to be fully 
> released without the need for Office 365 come next month.
> 
> Once this is done, they will also then be releasing Office 2016 for Windows 
> for both 365 members as well as non-365 full fledged users.
> 
> Please realize that none of what I am saying here breaks any NDA.  I'm 
> telling you exactly what I was directly told by a Microsoft sales agent named 
> Hermon.
> 
> If you want to get either of the versions out now of Microsoft Office for a 
> mac, or a Windows PC, then here's what you need to do.
> 
> First off, be sure you're subscribed to Office 365.  You can do this through
> 
> http://www.office.com
> 
> Once you have done this, go back to the above link, and sign in with your 
> Microsoft passport.
> 
> Once in, click on the link for my account.
> 
> I think a more direct link actually is:
> 
> http://account.office.com
> 
> It might be
> 
> http://myaccount.office.com
> 
> It's one of the two, I just don't recall which.
> 
> Once you're at this page and logged in, you  should see a section for 
> installation.  If you look under here, you'll see the option to download 
> either of these installers, for the mac, or for a PC.  Pick the one you want, 
> download it, and install it by running the installer.  Then, make sure during 
> the installer that you sign in with your Microsoft passport if asked to do 
> so.  It's been a while since I've needed to install, so I don't recall 
> exactly what that process is, but I know it's very very straight forward.
> 
> Once done, you're good to go.
> 
> As for the accessibility, I've not used it in a while, but I did try one of 
> the older public previews, and for what it was worth, yes, there were some 
> major issues, but for the most part, unless you were doing really really 
> really heavy editting, it worked quite well.  Even MS Word finally has been 
> fixed where now you can read the document window.  Remember that this was 
> quite a few preview builds back though, so I'd honestly give it a shot.  I 
> think you'll be at least somewhat, if not very impressed.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Joe Quinn" 
> To: "mac list" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:12 PM
> Subject: Office 2016?
> 
> 
>> Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?
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concerning iDrive

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay.

I'm thinking about iDrive as a form of backup.  Question is this.  Who here has 
tried iDrive:  and, among those of y'all who have, would y'all say that iDrive 
is worth the cost, or stay away and choose something else?  I'm asking because 
I cannot use Drop Box as a backup since I have no other physical drive I can 
point it to, and, honestly, if I am going to do a clean install of my Mac OS, 
I'd better back all my stuff first.  So, how bout it?

Thanks.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

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Re: anyone know if there's a gesture for muting the Apple Watch?

[Caitlyn Furness]

David’s podcasts are good.

I am also reading both the user’s guide for apple watch from apple(you can get 
this in i books), and apple watch for Dummies(thanks, bookshare!)  All this is 
very helpful and easy to understand..

Cait

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jamie!
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Jamie Pauls  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> Have you checked out David Woodbridges series of Apple Watch podcasts on 
>> AppleVis? Just go to the link on the front page of the site called "Getting 
>> Started with Your First Apple Watch. David covers every conceivable aspect 
>> of using the Apple Watch with VoiceOver Let me know if you need a direct 
>> link and I will provide it. Thanks. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How did you find that? :)  I was googling this before I posted, but didn't 
>>> see it.  thanks!
>>> Donna
 On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:06 AM, george b  wrote:
 
 Donna,
 
 
 
 How to mute your Apple Watch on the Apple Watch
 
 1.Press the Digital Crown until you see the watch face.
 2.Swipe up to reveal the Settings Glance. (if you get a different glance 
 just swipe left until you get to Settings.)
 3.Tap the Mute button.
 
 
 
 
 
 H^TH
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 04:54
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: anyone know if there's a gesture for muting the Apple Watch?
 
 Hi all,
 
 Does anyone know if there's a way to do this? I'm not talking about 
 touching it with your palm, but actually putting it on mute, the way you 
 can do with your phone, so the phone doesn't ring, messages don't ping, 
 etc.
 thanks,
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Re: It’s official: Apple sends out September 9th special event invitations – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home

[Shaf]

Apple's usual marketing blablabla


On 8/27/2015 10:53 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> Sounds great, Siri give me a hint.  Wonder what Apple have up their sleeve.  
> I for one am going for the next I phone as someone wanted my phone 6 plus at 
> a good price!
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> p.s.  Glad this list is staying as I have always liked Macvisionaries.
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 19:35, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> http://macdailynews.com/2015/08/27/its-official-apple-sends-out-september-9th-special-event-invitations/
>>
>> It’s official: Apple sends out September 9th special event invitations
>>
>> It’s official.
>> Apple has notified media outlets of an invitation-only event to be held at 
>> the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium in San Francisco on Wednesday, Septmeber 
>> 9th at 10am PDT.
>>
>> The invitation melds Siri graphics with the iconic Apple logo and the text 
>> “Hey Siri, give us a hint.”
>>
>> News that Apple’s event would be held at the cavernous Bill Graham Civic 
>> Auditorium (max. 7,000 person capacity) instead of the usual, much smaller 
>> Yerba Buena Center for the Arts (max. 750 person capacity) in San Francisco 
>> had leaked prior to Apple’s invitation mailing.
>>
>> <150827_event_invite.jpg>
>> Apple’s September 9th 2015 special event invitation
>>
>> MacDailyNews Take: Here we go!
>>
>> BTW, literal bastages that we are, we fired up Siri and said, “Hey Siri, 
>> give us a hint,” but all she returned were businesses and locations with 
>> “hint” in their names.
>>
>> When we changed that to “give me a hint,” as suggested by “Thrifty1” below, 
>> among otoher things, Siri returned:
>>
>> <150827_siri1.jpg>
>>
>> <150827_siri2.jpg>
>>
>> SEE ALSO:
>> Apple expected to hold massive special event at Bill Graham Civic Center in 
>> San Francisco on September 9th – August 27, 2015
>> Mystery company books San Francisco’s massive Bill Graham Civic Auditorium 
>> through September 13th – August 24, 2015
>>
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Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[Devin Prater]

Ah, I see. I do use the shift keys but it still didn’t work.
Well I know MUD clients can work, Mudder worked well, but hasn’t been updated 
in years, is slow, crashes a lot, and is not advanced at all. So if you ever 
get to working on one again, I’d be glad to test it.
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
> 
> The shift key actually does work, it’s just that Keystroke (customizable by 
> the user preferences) expects you to use the correct shift (i.e. the left 
> shift for keys in the right hand and the right shift for keys in the left 
> hand).
> 
> Press COMMAND + , (command comma) to bring up the user preferences, navigate 
> to the “Lesson” tab and uncheck “Require correct (left/right) shift keys” to 
> disable this feature.
> 
> I had at one point worked on an accessible MUD client, it worked alright but 
> didn’t use VoiceOver it just used a speech synthesizer. I abandoned the 
> project after a while though as life got in the way.
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 15:58, Devin Prater > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have one huge bug. The shift key doesn’t work, so it always gives errors. 
>> Now, if only you could make an accessible MUD client, lol.
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Tyler Thompson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible typing 
>>> program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for (The 
>>> New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a cross-platform typing 
>>> program called Keystroke. You can download it from our website here 
>>> . It is in it’s early stages but 
>>> has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to listen to 
>>> any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly this software is 
>>> now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of it’s features below.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the first 
>>> typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native english 
>>> speakers).
>>> Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to give 
>>> the best chance of learning to type correctly.
>>> The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
>>> Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students are 
>>> using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + caps 
>>> syndrome)
>>> Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own lessons 
>>> to your hearts desire).
>>> Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to give you 
>>> feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long it’ll take 
>>> a student to type them etc..)
>>> The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d like 
>>> to share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very easy to 
>>> open them and use them with Keystroke.
>>> Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to test 
>>> Braille writing speeds.
>>> It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the “Keyboard 
>>> Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The j key 
>>> is 2 keys to the right”)
>>> Designed to work natively with VoiceOver
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Update Fusion even if you don't have the current version on your Mac? was two questions about the Mac

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Can one update Fusion even if seven is not installed?  I intend to get the next 
upgrade even though I don't have Windows.

Thanks.

Kawal.
On 27 Aug 2015, at 20:22, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

This has all changed since Fusion 6. You just select to try Fusion or Fusion 
Pro, follow the instructions and begin your 30 days evaluation. No more 
submitting an online form and waiting for a key to be emailed to you.
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 14:24, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Chris, you need to also have a key even a 30 day demo key.
> 
> You can’t just install it and run it I don’t believe.  (correct me if I’m 
> wrong)
> 
> You have to fill out a trial form with several bits of info and then a key is 
> emailed to you to add.  So even with the DMG I don’t think you’ll get that 
> far.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Caitlyn,
>> 
>> Beautiful name By the way, thank you so much for your quick response.  That 
>> is kind of what I suspected regarding the download of version 8.  I wonder 
>> if anyone up here may be so kind as to have a Sendspace or a Dropbox link 
>> they could share of the DMG.  I'm not asking for a pirated copy or anything, 
>> LOL! Make that very clear.  I'm only wanting the DMG itself with the 
>> installer, so that I can run it as a demo, and evaluate if I want to 
>> purchase it.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 7:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: two questions about the Mac
>> 
>> 
>> For Fusion, you probably have to go to their incredible inaccessable web 
>> site and get the new version.  In the notice about the fusion update, there 
>> should be a button to click on that says something like “learn more”, or 
>> “update now”. this will take you to their web site.
>> 
>> I am still using fusion 6.x so if they’ve changed things since then I can’t 
>> help more..
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Juliette Swiler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> My first question is I got an update notice for Fusion and I only see a 
>>> learn more button, but no option to install it. How do I go about this? 
>>> Also, in iTunes, I am having a strange problem where my podcasts will not 
>>> update properly. However, they update properly via the podcasts app on my 
>>> iPhone.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[Tyler Thompson]

The shift key actually does work, it’s just that Keystroke (customizable by the 
user preferences) expects you to use the correct shift (i.e. the left shift for 
keys in the right hand and the right shift for keys in the left hand).

Press COMMAND + , (command comma) to bring up the user preferences, navigate to 
the “Lesson” tab and uncheck “Require correct (left/right) shift keys” to 
disable this feature.

I had at one point worked on an accessible MUD client, it worked alright but 
didn’t use VoiceOver it just used a speech synthesizer. I abandoned the project 
after a while though as life got in the way.
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 15:58, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> I have one huge bug. The shift key doesn’t work, so it always gives errors. 
> Now, if only you could make an accessible MUD client, lol.
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Tyler Thompson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>>  I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible typing 
>> program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for (The 
>> New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a cross-platform typing 
>> program called Keystroke. You can download it from our website here 
>> . It is in it’s early stages but 
>> has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to listen to 
>> any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly this software is 
>> now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of it’s features below.
>> 
>> 
>> Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the first 
>> typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native english 
>> speakers).
>> Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to give 
>> the best chance of learning to type correctly.
>> The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
>> Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students are 
>> using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + caps 
>> syndrome)
>> Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own lessons to 
>> your hearts desire).
>> Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to give you 
>> feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long it’ll take a 
>> student to type them etc..)
>> The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d like to 
>> share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very easy to 
>> open them and use them with Keystroke.
>> Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to test 
>> Braille writing speeds.
>> It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the “Keyboard 
>> Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The j key 
>> is 2 keys to the right”)
>> Designed to work natively with VoiceOver
>> 
>> 
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Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[Devin Prater]

I have one huge bug. The shift key doesn’t work, so it always gives errors. 
Now, if only you could make an accessible MUD client, lol.
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>   I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible typing 
> program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for (The 
> New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a cross-platform typing 
> program called Keystroke. You can download it from our website here 
> . It is in it’s early stages but 
> has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to listen to 
> any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly this software is 
> now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of it’s features below.
> 
> 
> Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the first 
> typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native english 
> speakers).
> Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to give 
> the best chance of learning to type correctly.
> The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
> Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students are 
> using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + caps 
> syndrome)
> Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own lessons to 
> your hearts desire).
> Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to give you 
> feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long it’ll take a 
> student to type them etc..)
> The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d like to 
> share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very easy to open 
> them and use them with Keystroke.
> Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to test 
> Braille writing speeds.
> It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the “Keyboard 
> Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The j key is 
> 2 keys to the right”)
> Designed to work natively with VoiceOver
> 
> 
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Re: It’s official: Apple sends out September 9th special event invitations – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Sounds great, Siri give me a hint.  Wonder what Apple have up their sleeve.  I 
for one am going for the next I phone as someone wanted my phone 6 plus at a 
good price!

Kawal.

p.s.  Glad this list is staying as I have always liked Macvisionaries.
On 27 Aug 2015, at 19:35, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:


> http://macdailynews.com/2015/08/27/its-official-apple-sends-out-september-9th-special-event-invitations/
> 
> It’s official: Apple sends out September 9th special event invitations
> 
> It’s official.
> Apple has notified media outlets of an invitation-only event to be held at 
> the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium in San Francisco on Wednesday, Septmeber 9th 
> at 10am PDT.
> 
> The invitation melds Siri graphics with the iconic Apple logo and the text 
> “Hey Siri, give us a hint.”
> 
> News that Apple’s event would be held at the cavernous Bill Graham Civic 
> Auditorium (max. 7,000 person capacity) instead of the usual, much smaller 
> Yerba Buena Center for the Arts (max. 750 person capacity) in San Francisco 
> had leaked prior to Apple’s invitation mailing.
> 
> <150827_event_invite.jpg>
> Apple’s September 9th 2015 special event invitation
> 
> MacDailyNews Take: Here we go!
> 
> BTW, literal bastages that we are, we fired up Siri and said, “Hey Siri, give 
> us a hint,” but all she returned were businesses and locations with “hint” in 
> their names.
> 
> When we changed that to “give me a hint,” as suggested by “Thrifty1” below, 
> among otoher things, Siri returned:
> 
> <150827_siri1.jpg>
> 
> <150827_siri2.jpg>
> 
> SEE ALSO:
> Apple expected to hold massive special event at Bill Graham Civic Center in 
> San Francisco on September 9th – August 27, 2015
> Mystery company books San Francisco’s massive Bill Graham Civic Auditorium 
> through September 13th – August 24, 2015
> 

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Re: Numbers Cel Formatting Question

[Emilio]

Hello,

Yes, I think I already rummaged through there. Hence is why I'm posting to 
the list. :)

Nice try though.

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Re: My I O S 1 Day Chalenge Part2

[David Chittenden]

Scott,

My preference is to, as much as possible, perform tasks the same as my sighted 
peers. As touch-screens are the wave of the future (until air gestures take 
over), my focus is on using touch-screen.

My braille display is at my fiancé's house. I will test it again with my mac 
when I return there in a week. The braille display must be connected in order 
for the braille commands list to appear in VO configuration on the Mac.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Aug 2015, at 00:48, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So on the braille front?
> 
> Is it me or does braille support on the IOS devices like the pad and phone 
> work so much better than it does on the Mac with VO?
> 
> What’s that about?
> 
> I just got a braille device and I’m actually thinking (perish the thought) of 
> installing windows in a VM so I can use it with JFW instead of VoiceOver on 
> the computer side.
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 3:18 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> I run my business and personal life from my iPhone and my iPad. I turn my 
>> Mac on around once per week.
>> 
>> The biggest hint I can give you is, learn to use your touch screen. I use my 
>> touch screen all the time. I now use braille screen input for writing, 
>> including this email. You may well find yourself much more productive if you 
>> only use your keyboard for actually writing text. This, after all, is how 
>> the iPad and iPhone are designed to be used.
>> 
>> My fiancé is a specialised teacher of blind children. Now that she has 
>> adjusted her teaching to having the kids use touch screen gesture commands 
>> rather than keyboard commands, there has been a very significant increase in 
>> the students' abilities to keep up with their sighted peers.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 02:33, Christopher Gilland  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>> 
>>> OK so here is my next observation working soly with I O S exclusively for 
>>> this 1-day challenge.
>>> 
>>> This morning, the challenge has been forcing myself to check all of my 
>>> e-mail from my IPad.  I am not saying that I've never done e-mail from I O 
>>> S before.  Remember, I am a fairly advanced I O S user, however I'm 
>>> honestly starting to wonder if I really am as advanced as I gave myself 
>>> credit.  I definitely feel very weird doing things totally on a mobile 
>>> platform only.  I think it's more that I know what I'm doing, but it's just 
>>> a bit foreign to me, as I don't admittedly do this probably near as much as 
>>> I should.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, so e-mail... OK, realize that I'm basing this on doing things with 
>>> the IPad, not with an IPod/IPhone.  This said, I'm sure I'd run into some 
>>> of the same hurtles.  These things are definitely not show stoppers by any 
>>> means, but it's just taking some time for me to really get used to.
>>> 
>>> First off, I was under the impression that when using a bluetooth keyboard, 
>>> which I am, I could use some of the same keystrokes that are built into 
>>> Mail on the Mac.  For example, When sitting on a message in my inbox, 
>>> focused on the message list, I heard a message, something like, Unread, 
>>> Christopher-Mark Gilland: This is a test.  I also heard Voiceover tell me 
>>> that actions were available within my actions rotor.  I totally understand 
>>> that I could have pressed my down arrow key to move through these actions, 
>>> however, I was under the impression that if I was to simply just hit my 
>>> delete key, I then could delete that message with basically one keystroke.  
>>> Lamentably, this didn't work.  I'm not sure if that has anything to do with 
>>> the fact that I'm using IMap with GMail, but I seriously doubt it.  I don't 
>>> think I was in my GMail mailbox.  To the best of my knowledge, I was in my 
>>> unified inbox.
>>> 
>>> Finally, I found a message that I needed to read.  I pressed both my up and 
>>> down arrow keys together to perform a double tap on the item.  I admit I 
>>> was very impressed that even though the IPad uses a split screen, and 
>>> therefore the message list virtically stays on the left side of the screen, 
>>> Voiceover was smart enough to move my immediate focus to the content of the 
>>> message I'd just double tapped on.  I was then able to use quick nav and 
>>> simply left and right arrow through the message, as if I was flicking 
>>> through the screen to read its content.  I was blown away at how well 
>>> things worked on that front!
>>> 
>>> Now came my next, "Huh?" moment.  I went to reply to the message.  I was 
>>> hoping, though on a mobile platform, not OSX, that Apple would have 
>>> implemented some keyboard hotkeys for us bluetooth users.  I therefore just 
>>> out of a hunch tried hitting command+R.  Well, um, duh.  That kind a didn't 
>>> work, darn!  So I went to the p

Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

ok.
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 10:34 PM, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
> 
> The spacebar is your repeat key, press the spacebar twice and it’ll spell out 
> any word/letters.
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:23, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hello i just tried it, and i like though on the second practise i can't 
>> heard much the letters what he's saying like dk. 
>>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 10:17 PM, Tyler Thompson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Feel free to email me off-list with your comments/suggestions/feature 
>>> requests.
 On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:16, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Oh ok sounds good. Downloaded the Mac version, will check out the Windows 
 version too. I can type, I hope :-) but always good to have a refresher, 
 right?
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 21:15, Tyler Thompson  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually I’m quite proud of this, It works with the native screen reader. 
> So it supports Window Eyes, JAWS and NVDA and communicates with them 
> directly on a software level (no need for you to do much more than change 
> the preferences of your screen reader)
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:13, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just curious but what does the Windows version use in terms of 
>> accessibility? Screen reader APIs? SAPI? Bit of both?
>>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 21:13, Tyler Thompson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It does work for Windows. In it’s current form I would say it’s more 
>>> for adults (as in there’s not a lot “fun” about it yet) but I’ve 
>>> already designed the first Keystroke game (which will come out in the 
>>> next release of the windows and mac versions). And I sincerely hope as 
>>> time goes on it’ll be for any age.
 On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:11, Marianne Denning  
 wrote:
 
 Is this designed for adults only?  Will it work with Windows too?
 
 On 8/27/15, Dionipher Presas Herrera  wrote:
> hello is this your site? 
> http://www.assistiveware.com/product/keystrokes
> 
> but this is not free but there are free trial version.
>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 9:27 PM, Tyler Thompson 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>>  I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible 
>> typing
>> program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work 
>> for
>> (The New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a 
>> cross-platform
>> typing program called Keystroke. You can download it from our 
>> website here
>> . It is in it’s early 
>> stages
>> but has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to
>> listen to any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly 
>> this
>> software is now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of 
>> it’s
>> features below.
>> 
>> 
>> Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the 
>> first
>> typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native
>> english speakers).
>> Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research 
>> to
>> give the best chance of learning to type correctly.
>> The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
>> Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students 
>> are
>> using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter 
>> + caps
>> syndrome)
>> Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own 
>> lessons
>> to your hearts desire).
>> Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to 
>> give
>> you feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long 
>> it’ll
>> take a student to type them etc..)
>> The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d 
>> like
>> to share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very 
>> easy
>> to open them and use them with Keystroke.
>> Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used 
>> to test
>> Braille writing speeds.
>> It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the 
>> “Keyboard
>> Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The 
>> j key
>> is 2 keys to the right”)
>> Designed to work natively with VoiceOver
>> 
>> 
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Re: My I O S 1 Day Chalenge Part2

[Devin Prater]

I used the APH Refreshabraille.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Which display are you using?  I’m trying the Focus 40 Blue.
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> It may be your braille display. I've not had problems.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I’m having real problems with Braille on the Mac and up front it’s 
>>> probably the guy behind the keyboard not the software but others confirm so 
>>> I don’t know.
>>> 
>>> I can’t do the basic stuff like hide applications or execute a lot of the 
>>> VO commands.  Even the closing of windows with command W when remapped to a 
>>> set of keys on my braille device is inconsistent.  Are you having better 
>>> luck with this?  Several people have told me to use the keyboard and then 
>>> just the braille when editing documents etc but this seems suboptimal.
>>> 
>>> What do you think are you having more luck with VO on the Mac?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
 The only thing I hate about braille with Apple devices is that it doesn't 
 show textual formatting like italics. Not even putting the braille signs 
 for italics makes the text actually italicized.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> So on the braille front?
> 
> Is it me or does braille support on the IOS devices like the pad and 
> phone work so much better than it does on the Mac with VO?
> 
> What’s that about?
> 
> I just got a braille device and I’m actually thinking (perish the 
> thought) of installing windows in a VM so I can use it with JFW instead 
> of VoiceOver on the computer side.
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 3:18 AM, David Chittenden  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> I run my business and personal life from my iPhone and my iPad. I turn 
>> my Mac on around once per week.
>> 
>> The biggest hint I can give you is, learn to use your touch screen. I 
>> use my touch screen all the time. I now use braille screen input for 
>> writing, including this email. You may well find yourself much more 
>> productive if you only use your keyboard for actually writing text. 
>> This, after all, is how the iPad and iPhone are designed to be used.
>> 
>> My fiancé is a specialised teacher of blind children. Now that she has 
>> adjusted her teaching to having the kids use touch screen gesture 
>> commands rather than keyboard commands, there has been a very 
>> significant increase in the students' abilities to keep up with their 
>> sighted peers.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 02:33, Christopher Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>> 
>>> OK so here is my next observation working soly with I O S exclusively 
>>> for this 1-day challenge.
>>> 
>>> This morning, the challenge has been forcing myself to check all of my 
>>> e-mail from my IPad.  I am not saying that I've never done e-mail from 
>>> I O S before.  Remember, I am a fairly advanced I O S user, however I'm 
>>> honestly starting to wonder if I really am as advanced as I gave myself 
>>> credit.  I definitely feel very weird doing things totally on a mobile 
>>> platform only.  I think it's more that I know what I'm doing, but it's 
>>> just a bit foreign to me, as I don't admittedly do this probably near 
>>> as much as I should.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, so e-mail... OK, realize that I'm basing this on doing things 
>>> with the IPad, not with an IPod/IPhone.  This said, I'm sure I'd run 
>>> into some of the same hurtles.  These things are definitely not show 
>>> stoppers by any means, but it's just taking some time for me to really 
>>> get used to.
>>> 
>>> First off, I was under the impression that when using a bluetooth 
>>> keyboard, which I am, I could use some of the same keystrokes that are 
>>> built into Mail on the Mac.  For example, When sitting on a message in 
>>> my inbox, focused on the message list, I heard a message, something 
>>> like, Unread, Christopher-Mark Gilland: This is a test.  I also heard 
>>> Voiceover tell me that actions were available within my actions rotor.  
>>> I totally understand that I could have pressed my down arrow key to 
>>> move through these actions, however, I was under the impression that if 
>>> I was to simply just hit my delete key, I then could delete that 
>>> message with basically one keystroke.  Lamentably, this didn't work.  
>>> I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the fact that I'm using 
>>> IMap with GMail, but I seriou

Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[Tyler Thompson]

The spacebar is your repeat key, press the spacebar twice and it’ll spell out 
any word/letters.
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:23, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
> hello i just tried it, and i like though on the second practise i can't heard 
> much the letters what he's saying like dk. 
>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 10:17 PM, Tyler Thompson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Feel free to email me off-list with your comments/suggestions/feature 
>> requests.
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:16, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh ok sounds good. Downloaded the Mac version, will check out the Windows 
>>> version too. I can type, I hope :-) but always good to have a refresher, 
>>> right?
 On 27 Aug 2015, at 21:15, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
 
 Actually I’m quite proud of this, It works with the native screen reader. 
 So it supports Window Eyes, JAWS and NVDA and communicates with them 
 directly on a software level (no need for you to do much more than change 
 the preferences of your screen reader)
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:13, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just curious but what does the Windows version use in terms of 
> accessibility? Screen reader APIs? SAPI? Bit of both?
>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 21:13, Tyler Thompson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It does work for Windows. In it’s current form I would say it’s more for 
>> adults (as in there’s not a lot “fun” about it yet) but I’ve already 
>> designed the first Keystroke game (which will come out in the next 
>> release of the windows and mac versions). And I sincerely hope as time 
>> goes on it’ll be for any age.
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:11, Marianne Denning  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is this designed for adults only?  Will it work with Windows too?
>>> 
>>> On 8/27/15, Dionipher Presas Herrera  wrote:
 hello is this your site? 
 http://www.assistiveware.com/product/keystrokes
 
 but this is not free but there are free trial version.
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 9:27 PM, Tyler Thompson 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>   I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible 
> typing
> program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for
> (The New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a 
> cross-platform
> typing program called Keystroke. You can download it from our website 
> here
> . It is in it’s early 
> stages
> but has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to
> listen to any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly 
> this
> software is now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of 
> it’s
> features below.
> 
> 
> Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the 
> first
> typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native
> english speakers).
> Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to
> give the best chance of learning to type correctly.
> The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
> Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students 
> are
> using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + 
> caps
> syndrome)
> Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own 
> lessons
> to your hearts desire).
> Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to 
> give
> you feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long 
> it’ll
> take a student to type them etc..)
> The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d 
> like
> to share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very 
> easy
> to open them and use them with Keystroke.
> Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to 
> test
> Braille writing speeds.
> It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the 
> “Keyboard
> Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The 
> j key
> is 2 keys to the right”)
> Designed to work natively with VoiceOver
> 
> 
> 
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Returning back to my old iTunes Radio and getting out of apple Music

[Tim Emmons]

Guys, I have a question and maybe somebody can help answer it. I am not hugely 
impressed with Apple Music and want my old iTunes Radio back or something close 
to it. how do I get rid of Apple Music, and not only see the radio stations 
that they have but be able to see and create my old stations as I used to have 
them, or can this be done anymore. I can see the old stations I had on my Apple 
Tv, and I’ve seen them once or twice on the mac. But, I don’t know how to get 
to the old stuff on my phone. Also, I don’t see where you can edit your 
stations anymore or fine tune them but not sure if I’m just missing something 
or what. Just curious if I can go back and how. Thanks and take care. 

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Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

hello i just tried it, and i like though on the second practise i can't heard 
much the letters what he's saying like dk. 
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 10:17 PM, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Feel free to email me off-list with your comments/suggestions/feature 
> requests.
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:16, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh ok sounds good. Downloaded the Mac version, will check out the Windows 
>> version too. I can type, I hope :-) but always good to have a refresher, 
>> right?
>>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 21:15, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually I’m quite proud of this, It works with the native screen reader. 
>>> So it supports Window Eyes, JAWS and NVDA and communicates with them 
>>> directly on a software level (no need for you to do much more than change 
>>> the preferences of your screen reader)
 On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:13, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Just curious but what does the Windows version use in terms of 
 accessibility? Screen reader APIs? SAPI? Bit of both?
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 21:13, Tyler Thompson  
> wrote:
> 
> It does work for Windows. In it’s current form I would say it’s more for 
> adults (as in there’s not a lot “fun” about it yet) but I’ve already 
> designed the first Keystroke game (which will come out in the next 
> release of the windows and mac versions). And I sincerely hope as time 
> goes on it’ll be for any age.
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:11, Marianne Denning  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is this designed for adults only?  Will it work with Windows too?
>> 
>> On 8/27/15, Dionipher Presas Herrera  wrote:
>>> hello is this your site? http://www.assistiveware.com/product/keystrokes
>>> 
>>> but this is not free but there are free trial version.
 On 27 Aug 2015, at 9:27 PM, Tyler Thompson 
 wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible 
 typing
 program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for
 (The New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a cross-platform
 typing program called Keystroke. You can download it from our website 
 here
 . It is in it’s early stages
 but has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to
 listen to any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly 
 this
 software is now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of it’s
 features below.
 
 
 Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the 
 first
 typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native
 english speakers).
 Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to
 give the best chance of learning to type correctly.
 The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
 Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students 
 are
 using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + 
 caps
 syndrome)
 Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own 
 lessons
 to your hearts desire).
 Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to give
 you feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long 
 it’ll
 take a student to type them etc..)
 The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d 
 like
 to share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very 
 easy
 to open them and use them with Keystroke.
 Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to 
 test
 Braille writing speeds.
 It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the 
 “Keyboard
 Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The j 
 key
 is 2 keys to the right”)
 Designed to work natively with VoiceOver
 
 
 
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Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[Tyler Thompson]

Feel free to email me off-list with your comments/suggestions/feature requests.
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:16, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh ok sounds good. Downloaded the Mac version, will check out the Windows 
> version too. I can type, I hope :-) but always good to have a refresher, 
> right?
>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 21:15, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually I’m quite proud of this, It works with the native screen reader. So 
>> it supports Window Eyes, JAWS and NVDA and communicates with them directly 
>> on a software level (no need for you to do much more than change the 
>> preferences of your screen reader)
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:13, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just curious but what does the Windows version use in terms of 
>>> accessibility? Screen reader APIs? SAPI? Bit of both?
 On 27 Aug 2015, at 21:13, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
 
 It does work for Windows. In it’s current form I would say it’s more for 
 adults (as in there’s not a lot “fun” about it yet) but I’ve already 
 designed the first Keystroke game (which will come out in the next release 
 of the windows and mac versions). And I sincerely hope as time goes on 
 it’ll be for any age.
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:11, Marianne Denning  
> wrote:
> 
> Is this designed for adults only?  Will it work with Windows too?
> 
> On 8/27/15, Dionipher Presas Herrera  wrote:
>> hello is this your site? http://www.assistiveware.com/product/keystrokes
>> 
>> but this is not free but there are free trial version.
>>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 9:27 PM, Tyler Thompson 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible 
>>> typing
>>> program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for
>>> (The New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a cross-platform
>>> typing program called Keystroke. You can download it from our website 
>>> here
>>> . It is in it’s early stages
>>> but has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to
>>> listen to any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly this
>>> software is now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of it’s
>>> features below.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the 
>>> first
>>> typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native
>>> english speakers).
>>> Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to
>>> give the best chance of learning to type correctly.
>>> The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
>>> Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students are
>>> using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + 
>>> caps
>>> syndrome)
>>> Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own 
>>> lessons
>>> to your hearts desire).
>>> Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to give
>>> you feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long 
>>> it’ll
>>> take a student to type them etc..)
>>> The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d 
>>> like
>>> to share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very easy
>>> to open them and use them with Keystroke.
>>> Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to 
>>> test
>>> Braille writing speeds.
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>>> “Keyboard
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>>> key
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Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[christopher hallsworth]

Oh ok sounds good. Downloaded the Mac version, will check out the Windows 
version too. I can type, I hope :-) but always good to have a refresher, right?
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 21:15, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Actually I’m quite proud of this, It works with the native screen reader. So 
> it supports Window Eyes, JAWS and NVDA and communicates with them directly on 
> a software level (no need for you to do much more than change the preferences 
> of your screen reader)
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:13, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just curious but what does the Windows version use in terms of 
>> accessibility? Screen reader APIs? SAPI? Bit of both?
>>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 21:13, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It does work for Windows. In it’s current form I would say it’s more for 
>>> adults (as in there’s not a lot “fun” about it yet) but I’ve already 
>>> designed the first Keystroke game (which will come out in the next release 
>>> of the windows and mac versions). And I sincerely hope as time goes on 
>>> it’ll be for any age.
 On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:11, Marianne Denning  
 wrote:
 
 Is this designed for adults only?  Will it work with Windows too?
 
 On 8/27/15, Dionipher Presas Herrera  wrote:
> hello is this your site? http://www.assistiveware.com/product/keystrokes
> 
> but this is not free but there are free trial version.
>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 9:27 PM, Tyler Thompson 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>>  I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible typing
>> program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for
>> (The New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a cross-platform
>> typing program called Keystroke. You can download it from our website 
>> here
>> . It is in it’s early stages
>> but has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to
>> listen to any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly this
>> software is now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of it’s
>> features below.
>> 
>> 
>> Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the first
>> typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native
>> english speakers).
>> Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to
>> give the best chance of learning to type correctly.
>> The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
>> Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students are
>> using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + 
>> caps
>> syndrome)
>> Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own lessons
>> to your hearts desire).
>> Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to give
>> you feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long it’ll
>> take a student to type them etc..)
>> The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d like
>> to share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very easy
>> to open them and use them with Keystroke.
>> Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to 
>> test
>> Braille writing speeds.
>> It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the 
>> “Keyboard
>> Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The j 
>> key
>> is 2 keys to the right”)
>> Designed to work natively with VoiceOver
>> 
>> 
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Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[Tyler Thompson]

Actually I’m quite proud of this, It works with the native screen reader. So it 
supports Window Eyes, JAWS and NVDA and communicates with them directly on a 
software level (no need for you to do much more than change the preferences of 
your screen reader)
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:13, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Just curious but what does the Windows version use in terms of accessibility? 
> Screen reader APIs? SAPI? Bit of both?
>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 21:13, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
>> 
>> It does work for Windows. In it’s current form I would say it’s more for 
>> adults (as in there’s not a lot “fun” about it yet) but I’ve already 
>> designed the first Keystroke game (which will come out in the next release 
>> of the windows and mac versions). And I sincerely hope as time goes on it’ll 
>> be for any age.
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:11, Marianne Denning  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is this designed for adults only?  Will it work with Windows too?
>>> 
>>> On 8/27/15, Dionipher Presas Herrera  wrote:
 hello is this your site? http://www.assistiveware.com/product/keystrokes
 
 but this is not free but there are free trial version.
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 9:27 PM, Tyler Thompson 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>   I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible typing
> program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for
> (The New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a cross-platform
> typing program called Keystroke. You can download it from our website here
> . It is in it’s early stages
> but has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to
> listen to any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly this
> software is now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of it’s
> features below.
> 
> 
> Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the first
> typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native
> english speakers).
> Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to
> give the best chance of learning to type correctly.
> The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
> Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students are
> using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + caps
> syndrome)
> Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own lessons
> to your hearts desire).
> Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to give
> you feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long it’ll
> take a student to type them etc..)
> The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d like
> to share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very easy
> to open them and use them with Keystroke.
> Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to test
> Braille writing speeds.
> It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the “Keyboard
> Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The j key
> is 2 keys to the right”)
> Designed to work natively with VoiceOver
> 
> 
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Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[christopher hallsworth]

Just curious but what does the Windows version use in terms of accessibility? 
Screen reader APIs? SAPI? Bit of both?
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 21:13, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
> 
> It does work for Windows. In it’s current form I would say it’s more for 
> adults (as in there’s not a lot “fun” about it yet) but I’ve already designed 
> the first Keystroke game (which will come out in the next release of the 
> windows and mac versions). And I sincerely hope as time goes on it’ll be for 
> any age.
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:11, Marianne Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> Is this designed for adults only?  Will it work with Windows too?
>> 
>> On 8/27/15, Dionipher Presas Herrera  wrote:
>>> hello is this your site? http://www.assistiveware.com/product/keystrokes
>>> 
>>> but this is not free but there are free trial version.
 On 27 Aug 2015, at 9:27 PM, Tyler Thompson 
 wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible typing
 program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for
 (The New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a cross-platform
 typing program called Keystroke. You can download it from our website here
 . It is in it’s early stages
 but has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to
 listen to any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly this
 software is now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of it’s
 features below.
 
 
 Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the first
 typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native
 english speakers).
 Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to
 give the best chance of learning to type correctly.
 The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
 Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students are
 using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + caps
 syndrome)
 Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own lessons
 to your hearts desire).
 Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to give
 you feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long it’ll
 take a student to type them etc..)
 The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d like
 to share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very easy
 to open them and use them with Keystroke.
 Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to test
 Braille writing speeds.
 It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the “Keyboard
 Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The j key
 is 2 keys to the right”)
 Designed to work natively with VoiceOver
 
 
 
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Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[Tyler Thompson]

It does work for Windows. In it’s current form I would say it’s more for adults 
(as in there’s not a lot “fun” about it yet) but I’ve already designed the 
first Keystroke game (which will come out in the next release of the windows 
and mac versions). And I sincerely hope as time goes on it’ll be for any age.
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:11, Marianne Denning  wrote:
> 
> Is this designed for adults only?  Will it work with Windows too?
> 
> On 8/27/15, Dionipher Presas Herrera  wrote:
>> hello is this your site? http://www.assistiveware.com/product/keystrokes
>> 
>> but this is not free but there are free trial version.
>>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 9:27 PM, Tyler Thompson 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible typing
>>> program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for
>>> (The New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a cross-platform
>>> typing program called Keystroke. You can download it from our website here
>>> . It is in it’s early stages
>>> but has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to
>>> listen to any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly this
>>> software is now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of it’s
>>> features below.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the first
>>> typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native
>>> english speakers).
>>> Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to
>>> give the best chance of learning to type correctly.
>>> The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
>>> Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students are
>>> using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + caps
>>> syndrome)
>>> Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own lessons
>>> to your hearts desire).
>>> Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to give
>>> you feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long it’ll
>>> take a student to type them etc..)
>>> The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d like
>>> to share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very easy
>>> to open them and use them with Keystroke.
>>> Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to test
>>> Braille writing speeds.
>>> It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the “Keyboard
>>> Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The j key
>>> is 2 keys to the right”)
>>> Designed to work natively with VoiceOver
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[Marianne Denning]

Is this designed for adults only?  Will it work with Windows too?

On 8/27/15, Dionipher Presas Herrera  wrote:
> hello is this your site? http://www.assistiveware.com/product/keystrokes
> 
> but this is not free but there are free trial version.
>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 9:27 PM, Tyler Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>  I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible typing
>> program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for
>> (The New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a cross-platform
>> typing program called Keystroke. You can download it from our website here
>> . It is in it’s early stages
>> but has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to
>> listen to any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly this
>> software is now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of it’s
>> features below.
>>
>>
>> Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the first
>> typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native
>> english speakers).
>> Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to
>> give the best chance of learning to type correctly.
>> The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
>> Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students are
>> using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + caps
>> syndrome)
>> Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own lessons
>> to your hearts desire).
>> Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to give
>> you feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long it’ll
>> take a student to type them etc..)
>> The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d like
>> to share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very easy
>> to open them and use them with Keystroke.
>> Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to test
>> Braille writing speeds.
>> It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the “Keyboard
>> Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The j key
>> is 2 keys to the right”)
>> Designed to work natively with VoiceOver
>>
>>
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Re: Trasferring file.

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Right. In case you were not already familiar, most firewalls simply 
block all in-bound traffic unless it's in response to some outbound 
traffic. So if you make a request via your web browser, the response 
from the web server is allowed back in. If some random snooper comes 
knocking they get nothing. With a port map, you allow in certain kinds 
of traffic, usually defined by what port they connect to, to connect to 
one of your internal machines. So you could run an Apache web server on 
your mac and set up a port map so anyone from the internet connecting to 
port 80 (usually used for http) would get connected to your Mac on port 
80. Likewise for ssh port 22. Most firewall/router boxes allow you to 
set up port mapping but exactly how depends on what flavor of 
firewall/router you use. The addresses starting with 192.168 are called 
non-routable addresses which means even if somebody got through the 
firewall they wouldn't be able to connect to your box. Your firewall 
does a network address translation (NAT) every time your packets venture 
out on the internet. So your non-routable internal address gets replaced 
with a real public routable address as it passes through the router and 
then that is reversed when the response comes back in. That way you can 
have multiple internet machines with piles of addresses sharing one 
public IP address.


CB

On 8/27/15 11:41 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Hi Gabriele,

You’re right, Skype is a good idea.  It has NAT traversal built-in.  It will 
save you a lot of work.

Let’s say you’re insane and decide to do this the hard way anyway.  Basically 
what you have to do is tell the box that manages your Internet connection to 
knock a hole in its firewall and send traffic destined for a port, say port 22 
for remote login, to your Mac.  You could try this tool to do it using a port 
mapping protocol, which will open up the hole for a while:
http://codingmonkeys.de/portmap/

If that doesn’t work, next you’ll have to log in to your router and do it 
yourself with the web interface.  That, I’m sorry to say, is different by 
router …

Finally create the new user account, and tell the remote side to scp or sftp to 
your public IP address, as reported by PortMap or your router.  They have to 
log in with the user and password you give them.  Finally they transfer the 
file.

If that sounds like a lot of work just to send a file, that’s because it is. :(



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Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[Tyler Thompson]

No, Mine is a state website http://www.cfb.state.nm.us/Keystroke.html 
 and it is 100%, no trials.
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 14:02, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
> hello is this your site? http://www.assistiveware.com/product/keystrokes 
> 
> but this is not free but there are free trial version.
>> On 27 Aug 2015, at 9:27 PM, Tyler Thompson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>>  I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible typing 
>> program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for (The 
>> New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a cross-platform typing 
>> program called Keystroke. You can download it from our website here 
>> . It is in it’s early stages but 
>> has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to listen to 
>> any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly this software is 
>> now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of it’s features below.
>> 
>> 
>> Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the first 
>> typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native english 
>> speakers).
>> Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to give 
>> the best chance of learning to type correctly.
>> The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
>> Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students are 
>> using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + caps 
>> syndrome)
>> Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own lessons to 
>> your hearts desire).
>> Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to give you 
>> feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long it’ll take a 
>> student to type them etc..)
>> The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d like to 
>> share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very easy to 
>> open them and use them with Keystroke.
>> Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to test 
>> Braille writing speeds.
>> It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the “Keyboard 
>> Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The j key 
>> is 2 keys to the right”)
>> Designed to work natively with VoiceOver
>> 
>> 
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Re: Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

hello is this your site? http://www.assistiveware.com/product/keystrokes 

but this is not free but there are free trial version.
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 9:27 PM, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>   I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible typing 
> program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for (The 
> New Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a cross-platform typing 
> program called Keystroke. You can download it from our website here 
> . It is in it’s early stages but 
> has some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to listen to 
> any feature requests you all might have. Most importantly this software is 
> now and always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of it’s features below.
> 
> 
> Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the first 
> typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native english 
> speakers).
> Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to give 
> the best chance of learning to type correctly.
> The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
> Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students are 
> using the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + caps 
> syndrome)
> Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own lessons to 
> your hearts desire).
> Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to give you 
> feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long it’ll take a 
> student to type them etc..)
> The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d like to 
> share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very easy to open 
> them and use them with Keystroke.
> Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to test 
> Braille writing speeds.
> It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the “Keyboard 
> Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The j key is 
> 2 keys to the right”)
> Designed to work natively with VoiceOver
> 
> 
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Re: Numbers Cel Formatting Question

[Andrew Lamanche]

If you stop interacting with the sheet layout area, to the left of it is the 
formatter area.  Interact with it, and you have a number of tabs yo you can 
vo+space on and then adjust various attributes.  Maybe you could find a way of 
displaying your numbers as you wish there.

Andrew
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 16:51, Emilio Hernandez  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I am trying to change cell attributes, specifically, the digit count in a 
> cell.
> When inserting a numbers with zeros at the beginning, they are not displayed, 
> but the remaining 4-digits out of the 6-digit number is visible.
> How do I change this feature?
> 
> I do not see anything within the cell format area of the inspector pain.
> I changed the series of cells to reflect numbers, but this has not helped.
> 
> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
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Re: audible books on the Mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes.  That's correct.  You could either do it that way, by hitting Command+O 
on it from your Finder, or you could simply go into ITunes, hit command+O, 
and then browse for it.  It probably would be easier though to just do the 
former, as that would be one less step you'd have to worry about.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Faisal ali" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: audible books on the Mac


so just to clarify, I import the book into iTunes after its done 
downloading? I don’t have safari automatically open files after downloading 
so I would need to take the intermediary step of importing. How exactly is 
the best way of importing said book into iTunes? Do  I simply open the file 
and that will initiate the import process?


On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Andrew,

What the other list member is trying to say, if I'm correctly 
understanding them is, yes, deauthorize is there, just not authorize.  If 
you want to deauthorize, then yes.  You go to the Store menu.  However if 
you are trying to authorize in the first place, you need to first import a 
book, then you should be prompted to enter your Audible login credentials. 
Does that make a little more sense?


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: audible books on the Mac


Sorry, I run the latest iTunes and I still have "deauthorise" audible 
account" under the store menu item so I assumed there would have been its 
opposite, .e. "authorise audible account'.  Didn't mean to mislead.


Andrew

On 26 Aug 2015, at 16:59, Faisal ali  wrote:

Hi there Andrew,
This is no longer the way its done since iTunes 12.2. According to the 
help page I read, the only way to authorize is by downloading a book. If 
you look in the store menu in iTunes, they only thing pertinent to 
audible is reauthorize audible account, not authorize.



On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Hello,

Open Itunes and go to the "store" menu item and arrow down to the item 
authorise this computer for audible account or something very similar. 
This will allow you to authorise your computer to play audible books via 
ituens.  remember to deauthorise your computer with Audible should you 
have to change your computers or wipe it clean because Audible only 
allows a number of devices to play their content.


Andrew

On 26 Aug 2015, at 14:58, Faisal ali  wrote:

Hi all,
Recently, I’ve subscribed to audible and I wish to be able to read such 
books on my mac. As I understand, this can be done in iTunes but one 
needs to authorize one’s computer to be able to make this happen. 
Firstly, is there anyone on this list who read audible books on their 
macs? Secondly, how accessible was the authorization process? Based on 
what I read, one needs to download a book and once the book finishes 
downloading, the computer will prompt for a audible username and 
password to authorize the machine.

Thanks much.

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Re: CereProc

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Isn't there a swedish voice in the Nuance set of voices which can be 
downloaded to OSX?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Anders Holmberg" 

To: "'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: CereProc


Hi!
I was going to try it out but they didn’t have a swedish voice so i gave up.
But i asked them to create a swedish voice.
And actually i got a positive answer.
Maybe i should try it out again.
/A

27 aug. 2015 kl. 16:37 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :

Hi all,

I just checked out CereProc again, and unless my ears deceive me, there 
does seem to be a substantial improvement since I last visited some years 
back.


Is anybody now using CereProc voices in production under VoiceOver, and 
how do they find it?  These voices are expensive—£25 a pop—so I want to be 
sure I’m not going to be surprised by the quality of the software.


Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: Office 2016?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, so I just called Microsoft for you to ask about this, as I was actually 
curious myself.


So, here's the deal.  Office 2016 for the mac is available, yes, not even as 
the public preview.  It's out, but! hold on!  there is a little small catch. 
It is out, yes, but right now, it's only available to Office 365 
subscribers.  Not to official non-365 subscribers who just want it as is, 
full fledged.  However, on the plus side of this, it is apparently supposed 
to be fully released without the need for Office 365 come next month.


Once this is done, they will also then be releasing Office 2016 for Windows 
for both 365 members as well as non-365 full fledged users.


Please realize that none of what I am saying here breaks any NDA.  I'm 
telling you exactly what I was directly told by a Microsoft sales agent 
named Hermon.


If you want to get either of the versions out now of Microsoft Office for a 
mac, or a Windows PC, then here's what you need to do.


First off, be sure you're subscribed to Office 365.  You can do this through

http://www.office.com

Once you have done this, go back to the above link, and sign in with your 
Microsoft passport.


Once in, click on the link for my account.

I think a more direct link actually is:

http://account.office.com

It might be

http://myaccount.office.com

It's one of the two, I just don't recall which.

Once you're at this page and logged in, you  should see a section for 
installation.  If you look under here, you'll see the option to download 
either of these installers, for the mac, or for a PC.  Pick the one you 
want, download it, and install it by running the installer.  Then, make sure 
during the installer that you sign in with your Microsoft passport if asked 
to do so.  It's been a while since I've needed to install, so I don't recall 
exactly what that process is, but I know it's very very straight forward.


Once done, you're good to go.

As for the accessibility, I've not used it in a while, but I did try one of 
the older public previews, and for what it was worth, yes, there were some 
major issues, but for the most part, unless you were doing really really 
really heavy editting, it worked quite well.  Even MS Word finally has been 
fixed where now you can read the document window.  Remember that this was 
quite a few preview builds back though, so I'd honestly give it a shot.  I 
think you'll be at least somewhat, if not very impressed.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Quinn" 

To: "mac list" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:12 PM
Subject: Office 2016?



Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?

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Re: adding segWays and storyboard entry points using VoiceOver

[Barry Hadder]

The most obvious thing to check first is if there is a viewController set as 
the entry point.
Sometimes the IOS simulator is flaky with Voiceover.  Try command-tabbing away 
and back to the simulator window.  Also, it initially takes a long time for an 
app to launch in it.  Yo might also try resetting it if you keep having 
problems like this.  

Incase you don’t know this, When you combine view controllers like you are 
doing you have to make sure the hierarchy is correct and it is usually easier 
to start from scratch.  You have to go through some steps.
First disconnect the view controllers from the tabBarController and then imbed 
the viewController in a navigation controller.  After that, you can connect the 
controllers to the tabBarController in the order you want, but connect the 
navigation controller and not the root viewController.  The tabbarController 
needs to wrap the navigationController and not the other way around.

Starting from scratch, you could first add the viewControllers to the 
storyboard, embed a viewController in a navigationController, and then, select 
the navigationController and the other viewControllers that aren’t imbedded and 
imbed them in a tabBarController.

On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:38 AM, venky...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,
I am trying to create an app with multiple views. For this, I used the tabbed 
application template. My intention is to use a navigation bar to display the 
title in the first viewController. To do this, I embedded the first 
ViewController in a navigation control and set the title of the navigation 
item. When I run the app, VoiceOver does not speak anything on the screen. This 
includes the title, the buttons on the tab bar, etc. What am I doing wrong here?
Thank you.
Regards,
Venkatesh

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 12, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Yuma Decaux mailto:jamy...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> There’s a particular process to adding tabs to tabbars. heres the process:
> 1-first create all your view controllers with the names of the tabs you want, 
> as sub classes of UIViewController
> 2-open the default view controller.swift and make the view controller an 
> instance of UITabBarController like follows
> class viewController: UITabBarController {}
>> 3-In mainstoryboard’s document outline, select the default view controller, 
>> and delete it
> 4-drag the UITabBarController from the library to the document outline. On 
> this one, don’t drag and drop in the document outline but on the scroll area 
> of mainstorybard. Doing it this way will work everytime while trying to put 
> it in the outline will give you no result
> 5-The UITabBarController contains 2 view controllers by default. Change the 
> UITabBarController as root view controller in the attributes inspector by 
> checking root view
> 6-back in the document outline, expand the views called (item 1 and item2), 
> select the tab, go to atrributes inspector and change its name to whatever 
> your view controller is for reading purposes.
> 7-still in the document outline, find either view controller whose names you 
> changed and go to identity inspector, and change the base class to your 
> custom viewcontroller class
> 8-If you want to add more tabs, drag a new view controller into the outline 
> and make sure that you are placing it on the root view controller to create 
> the relationship between root and sub view controller or tab.
> 9-You can alternatively look for connections in the connections inspector of 
> the main controller and look for something like cconnect subview or something 
> like that. the process is the same, shift vo command space, go to outline, 
> find the sub view controller, and release.
> 
> Hope this helps 
> 
>>  12/08/2015, at 6:09 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> I'm watching this thread, as segues are one thing I've never managed to get 
>> working. Is this Xcode 6.x or 7?
>> 
>> On a related note, has anyone worked out how to add tabs to tab bars, or 
>> views to grids, and so on? No matter what I try, I can't get new tabs onto a 
>> tab bar in N iOS app.
>>> On Aug 11, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Barry Hadder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Venkatesh,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> First select the view controller to segue to.
>>> 
>>> Then from the inspector, drag from the presenting segue that you want, I.e. 
>>> show segue to the button in the outline.  
>>> 
>>> When you unlock the mouse button on the button in the outline, wait until 
>>> you hear vo say Xcode has new window.
>>> 
>>> Vo-f2 twice to bring up the windows list and choose the one that says 
>>> action or something like that.
>>> 
>>> Next, rout the mouse to vo and click.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, instead of dragging from the source to the destination, you want to 
>>> drag from the dest to the source.  By doing that you are giving Xcode more 
>>> information about what you are trying to do and usually you won’t have to 
>>> respond to one of those boxes that pop up exc

Keystroke: A cross-platform typing program.

[Tyler Thompson]

Hello,

I’m aware that there are many people looking for an accessible typing 
program for the mac. I’m proud to say that today the agency I work for (The New 
Mexico Commission For The Blind) has released a cross-platform typing program 
called Keystroke. You can download it from our website here 
. It is in it’s early stages but has 
some promising results and as the developer I’d be willing to listen to any 
feature requests you all might have. Most importantly this software is now and 
always will be 100% free. I’ll outline some of it’s features below.


Keystroke works with various braille displays, making it one of the first 
typing programs that can be used with the deaf-blind (or non-native english 
speakers).
Default lessons that were built based on a lot of in-class research to give the 
best chance of learning to type correctly.
The ability to use the correct (left/right) shift keys.
Along with this Keystroke has the ability to make sure that students are using 
the caps lock key correct (thus eliminating the caps + letter + caps syndrome)
Completely customizable lessons (so you can add, or edit your own lessons to 
your hearts desire).
Along with this comes the “Lesson calculator” which is designed to give you 
feedback on your custom lessons, how complex they are, how long it’ll take a 
student to type them etc..)
The ability to import/export lessons. So if you create lessons you’d like to 
share or someone else has made some you think are cool it’s very easy to open 
them and use them with Keystroke.
Because of it’s compatibility with braille displays it can be used to test 
Braille writing speeds.
It learns from you as you type and gives useful feedback via the “Keyboard 
Assistant” (This can even provide directional feedback such as: “The j key is 2 
keys to the right”)
Designed to work natively with VoiceOver


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Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article]

[Eric Oyen]

it doesn't specifically mention headers, but the filter setting has a listing 
for "entire message" which can contain a header line. You can find those 
original header lines (which are hidden) by using the command+shift+U to see 
the message source. Highlighting and copying are treated normally.

-eric

On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:14 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> Wo!  You can even do it based off the headers?  OK, I need to like, 
> seriously! go look more at the filterring settings then.  That is something I 
> admittedly didn't know.  If that's the case, then that is really really cool!
> 
> I just wish that I O S had filterring capability without you having to do it 
> on the server side.  Oh well though.  You can't have everything.  Smile.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Eric Oyen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article]
> 
> 
> yep. I use apple mail here and it has a very large selection of filters I can 
> use. I can even filter based on any of the hidden header information (those 
> pesky X-lines). It has allowed me to dump more spam than even gmail could 
> (and do it properly).
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> This is what I was suggesting but several folks got their panties in a bunch 
>> and feel that filtering is unacceptable.  They’d rather be spoon fed I 
>> suppose than work their own silverware.
>> 
>> Good point though
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> may I offer a suggestion? there are mail filters that can be applied from 
>>> the end user. Most mail clients can actually do this based on a number of 
>>> criteria. So, if someone uses a foul tongue and makes threats, just filter 
>>> their mail into the trash based on that offenders email address, or based 
>>> on a list of words that are offensive. THe offender will realize with 
>>> alacrity that his messages are being ignore and will go elsewhere.
>>> 
>>> Just a thought.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 Of course, as always, it helps to remember that if nobody replied to the 
 abuser, we wouldn’t have these issues.  But it also helps to know that a 
 moderator can do this quickly in response to a general consensus or clear 
 harm being done, and that, for better or worse, people will respond 
 angrily to threads and contribute to their derailment.  I see no reason 
 why anybody’s freedoms should be impacted by such moderation, only the 
 benefits that come from a more efficient filter on the list mail than 
 would be achievable otherwise by individual members, especially when the 
 only tools available to them are on their devices.
 
 So, as I said previously, I regard this as a matter of administration, not 
 ethics.  Having a moderator around is simply important for damage 
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Re: two questions about the Mac

[christopher hallsworth]

This has all changed since Fusion 6. You just select to try Fusion or Fusion 
Pro, follow the instructions and begin your 30 days evaluation. No more 
submitting an online form and waiting for a key to be emailed to you.
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 14:24, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Chris, you need to also have a key even a 30 day demo key.
> 
> You can’t just install it and run it I don’t believe.  (correct me if I’m 
> wrong)
> 
> You have to fill out a trial form with several bits of info and then a key is 
> emailed to you to add.  So even with the DMG I don’t think you’ll get that 
> far.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Caitlyn,
>> 
>> Beautiful name By the way, thank you so much for your quick response.  That 
>> is kind of what I suspected regarding the download of version 8.  I wonder 
>> if anyone up here may be so kind as to have a Sendspace or a Dropbox link 
>> they could share of the DMG.  I'm not asking for a pirated copy or anything, 
>> LOL! Make that very clear.  I'm only wanting the DMG itself with the 
>> installer, so that I can run it as a demo, and evaluate if I want to 
>> purchase it.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 7:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: two questions about the Mac
>> 
>> 
>> For Fusion, you probably have to go to their incredible inaccessable web 
>> site and get the new version.  In the notice about the fusion update, there 
>> should be a button to click on that says something like “learn more”, or 
>> “update now”. this will take you to their web site.
>> 
>> I am still using fusion 6.x so if they’ve changed things since then I can’t 
>> help more..
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Juliette Swiler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> My first question is I got an update notice for Fusion and I only see a 
>>> learn more button, but no option to install it. How do I go about this? 
>>> Also, in iTunes, I am having a strange problem where my podcasts will not 
>>> update properly. However, they update properly via the podcasts app on my 
>>> iPhone.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: destructive people and their right to freedom of speech

[Eric Oyen]

that one actually goes back to an original quote my mom used to use:
" your right to smoke extends only so far as it doesn't interfere with my right 
to breath.". 

-eric

On Aug 27, 2015, at 6:42 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Your rights end where my nose begins.
> 
> I like that!
> 
> I’ve never heard that one before.  That’s a great expression.
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Again I must agree.
>> there is a Maxim in legal studies, your rights end where my nose begins. One 
>>  meaning of this is that I and only i in the end decide if something is 
>> offensive...largely because the other party is not going to agree regardless.
>> so, the greater question is why are you giving one person so much power over 
>> you that you have to run away to another list?
>> To be honest, I  am on this list, and I am totally lost as to who has 
>> started another  challenge...because I just do not  read, or take personally 
>> messages that are not true for me.
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Yuma Decaux wrote:
>> 
>>> See what happens and keep this status quo going on while a majority is 
>>> agreeing on several points? So we’re just discussing uselessly is this 
>>> correct?
>>> 
 On 27/08/2015, at 2:41 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
 
 I guess we'll just have to see what happens.
 I personally think it is counter productive to let one person make the 
 entire list not a good place for its members.  But with all this 
 discussion we are giving him more attention which is probably what he 
 wants in the first place.
 Jim
 
 
> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> That’s an easy one, because no one person can and should speak for anyone 
> else.
> 
> We’ve already discussed on this thread what happens when a moderator goes 
> all power hungry.  I remember when it happened on an iteration of this 
> list probably 4 years back now and most people left the group because the 
> moderator in this case was on crack.
> 
> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>> Why should everybody have to create a rule to filter out one 
>> objectionable person when a moderator could handle that quickly and 
>> efficiently.
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just add the objectionable person to a rule and move it automatically 
>>> to the trash.
>>> 
>>> Simple, problem solved and no moderation.
>>> 
 On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
 
 ET is right, I am afraid to say this.
 
 I cannot count the number of times this person has fired out, 
 insulted, then asked pardon, justifying some personal issues which do 
 not belong to any mailing list, then repeat the process almost within 
 the hour. If he is so defensive and threatening towards so many 
 people, this is because these responders also feel offended by his 
 words. There is a democratic process going on, a natural finger 
 pointing of someone who just abuses the fact that there are no 
 moderators in this list. Some of us try to resolve this one way or the 
 other but nothing will be done if no one takes action, gas bagging and 
 cackering instead in the drainpipe of opinionated expression. The 
 latter is useless. Action can solve everything.
 
 Take care
 
 
 
> On 27/08/2015, at 12:43 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> There are as many opinions here as there are members of this group. 
> This issue is generating a lot of traffic that is not helpful to the 
> grpup. We have one person who cannot control himself. Banning him 
> will break the fever and let the group move on.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 8/26/2015 7:31 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
>> A very simple solution is for everyone to be aware that the list is 
>> moderated, and throw in a public warning to whoever is continuously 
>> abusing others verbally, not necessarily ban the person. The point 
>> is to make the offensive person reflect on themselves. Banning them 
>> would result in upsets and possible worse attitudes in other lists.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26/08/2015, at 10:39 PM, Scott Granados 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes until you’ve eventually removed everyone from deviating from 
>>> your acceptable use over time.
>>> 
>>> Banning someone from any mailing list is just weak sauce.  The only 
>>> exception to that at least for me is spammers.  There have been 
>>> serious lack of mod

Re: iTerm?

[Scott Granados]

IP V6 is a good thing. (tm)

:)

I’ve been running in to it a lot more lately.  Tested a lot of JunOS code with 
an Ixia and IP V6 test streams.  I’ve also noticed that Comcast is supporting 
native V6, Verizon isn’t there yet though, at least on FIOS.


> On Aug 27, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> George nachman is listed as dev.  http://iterm2.com/features.htmlSounds 
> great, yyou can set up regular expression triggers that cause growl 
> notifications. I am not sure about the mouse features and if they would work 
> with VoiceOver. I had been keeping a change message from the develoer to 
> llook at once I was back in Macintoh usable mode. 
> 
> How is IPv6 going these days.
> 
> 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have a good pointer for ITerm.  I’ve never used it but will gladly 
>> give it a shot.
>> 
>> THere’s another package I tried I think it’s Term or something like that 
>> which I couldn’t get any output out of at all with VO.  I’d like to find a 
>> better terminal program as well so would be glad to try this out.
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Anyone here have any experience of iTerm?  I’m wondering if it might be any 
>>> more responsive than Terminal, or any more prone to ease of VoiceOver 
>>> access, especially for automatically reading output and stopping navigation 
>>> at window boundaries.  The rest of the features look interesting, but I’m 
>>> reluctant to replace Terminal unless these issues are much improved on.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sabahattin
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Re: iTerm?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

George nachman is listed as dev.  http://iterm2.com/features.htmlSounds great, 
yyou can set up regular expression triggers that cause growl notifications. I 
am not sure about the mouse features and if they would work with VoiceOver. I 
had been keeping a change message from the develoer to llook at once I was back 
in Macintoh usable mode. 

How is IPv6 going these days.
 


Jonathan Cohn 

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Do you have a good pointer for ITerm.  I’ve never used it but will gladly 
> give it a shot.
> 
> THere’s another package I tried I think it’s Term or something like that 
> which I couldn’t get any output out of at all with VO.  I’d like to find a 
> better terminal program as well so would be glad to try this out.
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Anyone here have any experience of iTerm?  I’m wondering if it might be any 
>> more responsive than Terminal, or any more prone to ease of VoiceOver 
>> access, especially for automatically reading output and stopping navigation 
>> at window boundaries.  The rest of the features look interesting, but I’m 
>> reluctant to replace Terminal unless these issues are much improved on.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sabahattin
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Quick Mod note - A number of quick Re: a new macvisionaries list

[Cara Quinn]

Hi All,

I just want to send this quick note along first, to thank those of you who have 
offered their support to me and those I love.

this truly means a lot to me and please know that this is not something I take 
lightly nor will forget. So thank you!

Now, on to some quick list business;

Firstly, tyler, my apologies, but I have not seen a single private message from 
you over the last months. So I was not aware that you were offering to assist 
with list moderation or that you were upset with this list.

I apparently seem to be having some email issues (which have been going on now 
for months) so I have occasionally missed important notes. I apologize for this 
but do not (as yet) know why this is happening.

Secondly, To those who have suggested that there be another mod, there actually 
has been someone already, who is helping out. -And, I am also looking at others 
right now as well.

To the poster who has alluded to my letting the list go, I am not actually 
clear on what you mean by this. As you already know, I have not been able to 
keep up with these last threads, but I will not delete any of these messages 
until I can give them the attention they deserve. So I will address this when I 
can, as I said yesterday.

Also, thank you to the poster who mentioned the original list ownership. Unlike 
VIPhone, (which I started) I was fortunate enough to inherit ownership of this 
list from Saqib Sheikh, who did an amazing job starting this community.  
Despite the issues sometimes, I am very grateful for the chance to help keep 
this community going. So again, please know that I do not take any of this 
lightly.

Lastly, for the moment, can we please move on from this and get back to the 
informational discussions concerning the Mac / Apple products? Please close the 
topics which are advertising other mailing lists and / or justifying opinions 
of one or the other poster etc?

Please understand, I ask this simply to bring better focus since this is what 
many of you seem to be asking for. Personally, I like wide and varied 
discussion as long as it is respectful. If we need more focus though, then it 
is better to apply all these current energies to that, rather than simply 
trying to justify one opinion over another.

As I mentioned yesterday, please just use your own good judgement and this will 
be fine.

Hope this makes sense and I thank you once again for your understanding. I will 
check in again as soon as I can.

Cheers!

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On Aug 27, 2015, at 8:00 AM, Shaf  wrote:

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It's pretty ridiculous that this thread is more than 100 messages long.



On 8/27/2015 2:55 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> Hello: I'm a bit baffled by this response, because you're trying to
> make Chris sound like this reasonable guy who sometimes just might
> slip with the f-bomb. This is not the case. Less than a month ago I
> said something that bothered him. I woke up to 20+ emails at least
> cursing and ranting. There is no call for that.
> 
> I'm also going to say I find it mildly amusing that this uproar is 
> because of a specific person but also because how the list has 
> devolved and he just kind of ignores that and moves on to trying
> to sound sensable again. I'm curious how much of his junk is
> getting blocked/how soon it will take him to devolve.
> 
> But to make it clear, this isn't specifically for one person. I
> feel like I've said this 500 times. It's because the list was
> allowed to devolve and a majority of the community does not like
> that. I'm also calling an end to this endless debate on my behalf,
> no matter what I'll say you'll just scream "You idiot just filter,"
> and that's fine. Chocolate and vanilla, remember?
> 
> On 8/27/2015 8:59 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> First off, nothing Chris says or could say offends me or for
>> that matter nothing anyone says on any of these mailing lists
>> offends me or would chase me away. Secondly, I’ve actually taken
>> the time to talk to Chris off line and also seen a whole
>> different side to his responses on another list where there was a
>> lot of attacking going on so I have radically changed my opinion
>> of him from when I first ran in to him some time ago.  Does he
>> push the boundaries and get out of line sometimes, sure but so do
>> I and a lot of people. All moderation means to me is someone
>> either can’t police themselves, they need to have their hand held
>> and content managed for them and or someone has a power trip they
>> need to feed and wants their own personal kingdom to rule over
>> and dictate to everyone else what they will say or how they will
>> act etc.  No thank you. I’d rather have a little noise and
>> exercise my delete finger than have someone else dictate content
>> standards to me.
> 
> 
>> 

Re: My I O S 1 Day Chalenge Part2

[Scott Granados]

I’m going to give this a shot.

Thanks for the specifics and pointers.

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I use Debian unstable with a BrailleNote Apex. The installer images of Debian 
> support BRLTTY so you can install out of the box.  You will need to tweak 
> things a bit if you use any USB adaptors or serial interfaces but it’s not 
> hard; often things just autodetect. Then under VMWare Fusion you just pass 
> the USB device through, and now your guest has full control of the display.
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Re: My I O S 1 Day Chalenge Part2

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

I use Debian unstable with a BrailleNote Apex. The installer images of Debian 
support BRLTTY so you can install out of the box.  You will need to tweak 
things a bit if you use any USB adaptors or serial interfaces but it’s not 
hard; often things just autodetect. Then under VMWare Fusion you just pass the 
USB device through, and now your guest has full control of the display.

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Office 2016?

[Joe Quinn]

Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?

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Re: My I O S 1 Day Chalenge Part2

[Scott Granados]

Is there a specific linux bistro that you use that supports braille better or 
just download one I like and install Braille TTY?

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> It’s not you.
> 
> You’re right.  Braille support in OS X’s VoiceOver is truly lamentable.  I’m 
> the same: run a VM with Windows or Linux in it for braille support that 
> actually works.  Usually Linux, for BRLTTY which I can use to ssh back in to 
> the Mac for more extensive tasks.
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Re: My I O S 1 Day Chalenge Part2

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

It’s not you.

You’re right.  Braille support in OS X’s VoiceOver is truly lamentable.  I’m 
the same: run a VM with Windows or Linux in it for braille support that 
actually works.  Usually Linux, for BRLTTY which I can use to ssh back in to 
the Mac for more extensive tasks.

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Re: iTerm?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

iTerm2 home page is here:
https://www.iterm2.com/

Not on the MAS, as far as I can see.

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Numbers Cel Formatting Question

[Emilio Hernandez]

Hello everyone,

I am trying to change cell attributes, specifically, the digit count in a cell.
When inserting a numbers with zeros at the beginning, they are not displayed, 
but the remaining 4-digits out of the 6-digit number is visible.
How do I change this feature?

I do not see anything within the cell format area of the inspector pain.
I changed the series of cells to reflect numbers, but this has not helped.

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

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Re: Trasferring file.

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi Gabriele,

You’re right, Skype is a good idea.  It has NAT traversal built-in.  It will 
save you a lot of work.

Let’s say you’re insane and decide to do this the hard way anyway.  Basically 
what you have to do is tell the box that manages your Internet connection to 
knock a hole in its firewall and send traffic destined for a port, say port 22 
for remote login, to your Mac.  You could try this tool to do it using a port 
mapping protocol, which will open up the hole for a while:
http://codingmonkeys.de/portmap/

If that doesn’t work, next you’ll have to log in to your router and do it 
yourself with the web interface.  That, I’m sorry to say, is different by 
router …

Finally create the new user account, and tell the remote side to scp or sftp to 
your public IP address, as reported by PortMap or your router.  They have to 
log in with the user and password you give them.  Finally they transfer the 
file.

If that sounds like a lot of work just to send a file, that’s because it is. :(

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Re: CereProc

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi. I can say that under Yosemite they work perfectly. If you want to know if 
they work under El Capitan, write me off list and I'll tell you. But only if 
you are a beta tester.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I was going to try it out but they didn’t have a swedish voice so i gave up.
> But i asked them to create a swedish voice.
> And actually i got a positive answer.
> Maybe i should try it out again.
> /A
>> 27 aug. 2015 kl. 16:37 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just checked out CereProc again, and unless my ears deceive me, there does 
>> seem to be a substantial improvement since I last visited some years back.
>> 
>> Is anybody now using CereProc voices in production under VoiceOver, and how 
>> do they find it?  These voices are expensive—£25 a pop—so I want to be sure 
>> I’m not going to be surprised by the quality of the software.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sabahattin
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Re: Moderator Note - Important -was- Re: So is this list going to die or not?

[CJ Daniel]

Cara,

As someone who once held his own child while she passed, I can sympathize  with 
your distress as you faceend-of-life issues  with a friend.  However, as I 
learned during a similar time of my own, life goes on.  In particular, I had to 
continue dealing with the day-to-day aspects of my job @ a busy non-profit 
organization & delegate responsibilities to others as required.  

However, all of that being said, I don’t believe that the level of frustration, 
being experienced by the majority of this list’s members, is either understood 
or being acted upon by you or any other moderator.  In addition, I don’t feel 
that a lecture on maturity or the usage of the delete key is warranted or 
appropriate.  You are in effect calling the well-behaved members of this list 
to higher standards, while asking them to ignore or overlook the poor behavior 
of the individual who has chosen to ignore polite conventions that help to 
govern the interactions of society.  Honestly, some of the posts I’ve seen by 
this individual directed a while back @ one of the ladies on this list, if 
directed @ my wife or one of my daughters, would have been cause for a swift & 
violent physical reaction.

In short, while I feel deeply for you, the situation on this list has been 
ignored for far to long & is snow-balling.  The, kind & considerate members of 
this list are, basically, pleading with you to either appoint a moderator who 
will act on these sorts of issues or—if life’s circumstances are preventing 
your full participation in this list’s activities—then relinquish ownership to 
some one who has the time & where-with-all to make a positive difference.  I 
hope you can understand that all of this is offered with compassion towards 
you.  

With great regard,

CJ Daniel


> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> firstly, this list is not going to die.
> 
> Now, to be completely frank and honest with you all. I have been in the 
> hospital for days now, visiting with a very dear one to me, who is passing 
> away.
> 
> So honestly, I cannot address any of these matters right now.
> 
> The fact is, you are all adults and you know enough to ignore posts or 
> posters who simply want (for whatever reason) to incite or stir the pot so to 
> speak.
> 
> So if there is a message you do not wish to read, or do not agree with, just 
> delete it and move on. This is the adult thing to do.
> 
> Neither a list owner or moderator are magic people who make everything 
> alright. Yes, we can ban people, etc, but in the end, this comes down to you 
> all managing yourselves in a way which you all are proud of.
> 
> that is what makes this list worth something.
> 
> So if you feel this list is a resource you wish to preserve and help to grow, 
> as you have been doing now for years, then just simply act in accordance with 
> those beliefs which you know to be right and the rest will follow.
> 
> I promise you, I will address this more fully when I can. I am sure (or at 
> least would hope) that in light of these circumstances, that you would 
> understand.
> 
> My sincerest apologies that there have been issues of late. Some of these are 
> actually being dealt with already, in the background, but the fact that this 
> topic exists says that you need more.
> 
> I will do more as soon as I can.
> 
> For now, please use your own good judgement and simply act as you know you 
> should, and this list will be the kind and helping place that it has been.
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> 
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> 
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> On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Just wondering after reading all the messages of whether this list should be 
> or not be, is this list going to continue or is it going to die?
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Re: Neospeech?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Yes, I can confirm that they still make voices for windows. I bought James for 
Windows in 2013. As for NeoSpeech on the Mac, let me just say that I suggested 
it to them and they said that they have no interest in making it for the Mac.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Nope.  I checked back in the day when I first got this here 2009 Mac book 
> pro.  The truth of the matter is this.  Neo speech no longer makes a consumer 
> product of any sourt:  not even for the poor windows devotees out there.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
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> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 4:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe a dumb  question, but neither Neospeech Kate nor Paul have been ported 
>> over to the mac, have they?
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: CereProc

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I was going to try it out but they didn’t have a swedish voice so i gave up.
But i asked them to create a swedish voice.
And actually i got a positive answer.
Maybe i should try it out again.
/A
> 27 aug. 2015 kl. 16:37 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just checked out CereProc again, and unless my ears deceive me, there does 
> seem to be a substantial improvement since I last visited some years back.
> 
> Is anybody now using CereProc voices in production under VoiceOver, and how 
> do they find it?  These voices are expensive—£25 a pop—so I want to be sure 
> I’m not going to be surprised by the quality of the software.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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Re: iTerm?

[Scott Granados]

Do you have a good pointer for ITerm.  I’ve never used it but will gladly give 
it a shot.

THere’s another package I tried I think it’s Term or something like that which 
I couldn’t get any output out of at all with VO.  I’d like to find a better 
terminal program as well so would be glad to try this out.

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Anyone here have any experience of iTerm?  I’m wondering if it might be any 
> more responsive than Terminal, or any more prone to ease of VoiceOver access, 
> especially for automatically reading output and stopping navigation at window 
> boundaries.  The rest of the features look interesting, but I’m reluctant to 
> replace Terminal unless these issues are much improved on.
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: Neospeech?

[Singing Sparrow]

Yes they still make the sapi 5 versions of their voices available, you 
just need to contact them to get the demos of their voices.


On 8/27/2015 9:46 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
But their new voices are still within voice dream. Does this mean they 
only have an SDK of sorts?


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Ray Foret Jr > wrote:


Nope.  I checked back in the day when I first got this here 2009 Mac 
book pro.  The truth of the matter is this.  Neo speech no longer 
makes a consumer product of any sourt:  not even for the poor windows 
devotees out there.



Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

On Aug 27, 2015, at 4:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Maybe a dumb question, but neither Neospeech Kate nor Paul have been 
ported over to the mac, have they?

Chris.

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Re: My I O S 1 Day Chalenge Part2

[Scott Granados]

Which display are you using?  I’m trying the Focus 40 Blue.

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> It may be your braille display. I've not had problems.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So I’m having real problems with Braille on the Mac and up front it’s 
>> probably the guy behind the keyboard not the software but others confirm so 
>> I don’t know.
>> 
>> I can’t do the basic stuff like hide applications or execute a lot of the VO 
>> commands.  Even the closing of windows with command W when remapped to a set 
>> of keys on my braille device is inconsistent.  Are you having better luck 
>> with this?  Several people have told me to use the keyboard and then just 
>> the braille when editing documents etc but this seems suboptimal.
>> 
>> What do you think are you having more luck with VO on the Mac?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing I hate about braille with Apple devices is that it doesn't 
>>> show textual formatting like italics. Not even putting the braille signs 
>>> for italics makes the text actually italicized.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 So on the braille front?
 
 Is it me or does braille support on the IOS devices like the pad and phone 
 work so much better than it does on the Mac with VO?
 
 What’s that about?
 
 I just got a braille device and I’m actually thinking (perish the thought) 
 of installing windows in a VM so I can use it with JFW instead of 
 VoiceOver on the computer side.
 
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 3:18 AM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I run my business and personal life from my iPhone and my iPad. I turn my 
> Mac on around once per week.
> 
> The biggest hint I can give you is, learn to use your touch screen. I use 
> my touch screen all the time. I now use braille screen input for writing, 
> including this email. You may well find yourself much more productive if 
> you only use your keyboard for actually writing text. This, after all, is 
> how the iPad and iPhone are designed to be used.
> 
> My fiancé is a specialised teacher of blind children. Now that she has 
> adjusted her teaching to having the kids use touch screen gesture 
> commands rather than keyboard commands, there has been a very significant 
> increase in the students' abilities to keep up with their sighted peers.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 02:33, Christopher Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> OK so here is my next observation working soly with I O S exclusively 
>> for this 1-day challenge.
>> 
>> This morning, the challenge has been forcing myself to check all of my 
>> e-mail from my IPad.  I am not saying that I've never done e-mail from I 
>> O S before.  Remember, I am a fairly advanced I O S user, however I'm 
>> honestly starting to wonder if I really am as advanced as I gave myself 
>> credit.  I definitely feel very weird doing things totally on a mobile 
>> platform only.  I think it's more that I know what I'm doing, but it's 
>> just a bit foreign to me, as I don't admittedly do this probably near as 
>> much as I should.
>> 
>> Anyway, so e-mail... OK, realize that I'm basing this on doing things 
>> with the IPad, not with an IPod/IPhone.  This said, I'm sure I'd run 
>> into some of the same hurtles.  These things are definitely not show 
>> stoppers by any means, but it's just taking some time for me to really 
>> get used to.
>> 
>> First off, I was under the impression that when using a bluetooth 
>> keyboard, which I am, I could use some of the same keystrokes that are 
>> built into Mail on the Mac.  For example, When sitting on a message in 
>> my inbox, focused on the message list, I heard a message, something 
>> like, Unread, Christopher-Mark Gilland: This is a test.  I also heard 
>> Voiceover tell me that actions were available within my actions rotor.  
>> I totally understand that I could have pressed my down arrow key to move 
>> through these actions, however, I was under the impression that if I was 
>> to simply just hit my delete key, I then could delete that message with 
>> basically one keystroke.  Lamentably, this didn't work.  I'm not sure if 
>> that has anything to do with the fact that I'm using IMap with GMail, 
>> but I seriously doubt it.  I don't think I was in my GMail mailbox.  To 
>> the best of my knowledge, I was in my unified inbox.
>> 
>> Finally, I found a message that I needed to read.  I pressed both my up 
>> and down arrow 

Re: audible books on the Mac

[Faisal ali]

so just to clarify, I import the book into iTunes after its done downloading? I 
don’t have safari automatically open files after downloading so I would need to 
take the intermediary step of importing. How exactly is the best way of 
importing said book into iTunes? Do  I simply open the file and that will 
initiate the import process?

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:55 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Andrew,
> 
> What the other list member is trying to say, if I'm correctly understanding 
> them is, yes, deauthorize is there, just not authorize.  If you want to 
> deauthorize, then yes.  You go to the Store menu.  However if you are trying 
> to authorize in the first place, you need to first import a book, then you 
> should be prompted to enter your Audible login credentials.  Does that make a 
> little more sense?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:49 PM
> Subject: Re: audible books on the Mac
> 
> 
> Sorry, I run the latest iTunes and I still have "deauthorise" audible 
> account" under the store menu item so I assumed there would have been its 
> opposite, .e. "authorise audible account'.  Didn't mean to mislead.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 16:59, Faisal ali  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there Andrew,
>> This is no longer the way its done since iTunes 12.2. According to the help 
>> page I read, the only way to authorize is by downloading a book. If you look 
>> in the store menu in iTunes, they only thing pertinent to audible is 
>> reauthorize audible account, not authorize.
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Open Itunes and go to the "store" menu item and arrow down to the item 
>>> authorise this computer for audible account or something very similar. This 
>>> will allow you to authorise your computer to play audible books via ituens. 
>>>  remember to deauthorise your computer with Audible should you have to 
>>> change your computers or wipe it clean because Audible only allows a number 
>>> of devices to play their content.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
 On 26 Aug 2015, at 14:58, Faisal ali  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 Recently, I’ve subscribed to audible and I wish to be able to read such 
 books on my mac. As I understand, this can be done in iTunes but one needs 
 to authorize one’s computer to be able to make this happen. Firstly, is 
 there anyone on this list who read audible books on their macs? Secondly, 
 how accessible was the authorization process? Based on what I read, one 
 needs to download a book and once the book finishes downloading, the 
 computer will prompt for a audible username and password to authorize the 
 machine.
 Thanks much.
 
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Re: My I O S 1 Day Chalenge Part2

[Devin Prater]

It may be your braille display. I've not had problems.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So I’m having real problems with Braille on the Mac and up front it’s 
> probably the guy behind the keyboard not the software but others confirm so I 
> don’t know.
> 
> I can’t do the basic stuff like hide applications or execute a lot of the VO 
> commands.  Even the closing of windows with command W when remapped to a set 
> of keys on my braille device is inconsistent.  Are you having better luck 
> with this?  Several people have told me to use the keyboard and then just the 
> braille when editing documents etc but this seems suboptimal.
> 
> What do you think are you having more luck with VO on the Mac?
> 
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing I hate about braille with Apple devices is that it doesn't 
>> show textual formatting like italics. Not even putting the braille signs for 
>> italics makes the text actually italicized.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So on the braille front?
>>> 
>>> Is it me or does braille support on the IOS devices like the pad and phone 
>>> work so much better than it does on the Mac with VO?
>>> 
>>> What’s that about?
>>> 
>>> I just got a braille device and I’m actually thinking (perish the thought) 
>>> of installing windows in a VM so I can use it with JFW instead of VoiceOver 
>>> on the computer side.
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2015, at 3:18 AM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Chris,
 
 I run my business and personal life from my iPhone and my iPad. I turn my 
 Mac on around once per week.
 
 The biggest hint I can give you is, learn to use your touch screen. I use 
 my touch screen all the time. I now use braille screen input for writing, 
 including this email. You may well find yourself much more productive if 
 you only use your keyboard for actually writing text. This, after all, is 
 how the iPad and iPhone are designed to be used.
 
 My fiancé is a specialised teacher of blind children. Now that she has 
 adjusted her teaching to having the kids use touch screen gesture commands 
 rather than keyboard commands, there has been a very significant increase 
 in the students' abilities to keep up with their sighted peers.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 26 Aug 2015, at 02:33, Christopher Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
> 
> OK so here is my next observation working soly with I O S exclusively for 
> this 1-day challenge.
> 
> This morning, the challenge has been forcing myself to check all of my 
> e-mail from my IPad.  I am not saying that I've never done e-mail from I 
> O S before.  Remember, I am a fairly advanced I O S user, however I'm 
> honestly starting to wonder if I really am as advanced as I gave myself 
> credit.  I definitely feel very weird doing things totally on a mobile 
> platform only.  I think it's more that I know what I'm doing, but it's 
> just a bit foreign to me, as I don't admittedly do this probably near as 
> much as I should.
> 
> Anyway, so e-mail... OK, realize that I'm basing this on doing things 
> with the IPad, not with an IPod/IPhone.  This said, I'm sure I'd run into 
> some of the same hurtles.  These things are definitely not show stoppers 
> by any means, but it's just taking some time for me to really get used to.
> 
> First off, I was under the impression that when using a bluetooth 
> keyboard, which I am, I could use some of the same keystrokes that are 
> built into Mail on the Mac.  For example, When sitting on a message in my 
> inbox, focused on the message list, I heard a message, something like, 
> Unread, Christopher-Mark Gilland: This is a test.  I also heard Voiceover 
> tell me that actions were available within my actions rotor.  I totally 
> understand that I could have pressed my down arrow key to move through 
> these actions, however, I was under the impression that if I was to 
> simply just hit my delete key, I then could delete that message with 
> basically one keystroke.  Lamentably, this didn't work.  I'm not sure if 
> that has anything to do with the fact that I'm using IMap with GMail, but 
> I seriously doubt it.  I don't think I was in my GMail mailbox.  To the 
> best of my knowledge, I was in my unified inbox.
> 
> Finally, I found a message that I needed to read.  I pressed both my up 
> and down arrow keys together to perform a double tap on the item.  I 
> admit I was very impressed that even though the IPad uses a split screen, 
> and therefore the message list virtically stays on the left side of the 
> screen, Voi

Re: My I O S 1 Day Chalenge Part2

[Scott Granados]

So I’m having real problems with Braille on the Mac and up front it’s probably 
the guy behind the keyboard not the software but others confirm so I don’t know.

I can’t do the basic stuff like hide applications or execute a lot of the VO 
commands.  Even the closing of windows with command W when remapped to a set of 
keys on my braille device is inconsistent.  Are you having better luck with 
this?  Several people have told me to use the keyboard and then just the 
braille when editing documents etc but this seems suboptimal.

What do you think are you having more luck with VO on the Mac?


> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> The only thing I hate about braille with Apple devices is that it doesn't 
> show textual formatting like italics. Not even putting the braille signs for 
> italics makes the text actually italicized.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So on the braille front?
>> 
>> Is it me or does braille support on the IOS devices like the pad and phone 
>> work so much better than it does on the Mac with VO?
>> 
>> What’s that about?
>> 
>> I just got a braille device and I’m actually thinking (perish the thought) 
>> of installing windows in a VM so I can use it with JFW instead of VoiceOver 
>> on the computer side.
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 3:18 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> 
>>> I run my business and personal life from my iPhone and my iPad. I turn my 
>>> Mac on around once per week.
>>> 
>>> The biggest hint I can give you is, learn to use your touch screen. I use 
>>> my touch screen all the time. I now use braille screen input for writing, 
>>> including this email. You may well find yourself much more productive if 
>>> you only use your keyboard for actually writing text. This, after all, is 
>>> how the iPad and iPhone are designed to be used.
>>> 
>>> My fiancé is a specialised teacher of blind children. Now that she has 
>>> adjusted her teaching to having the kids use touch screen gesture commands 
>>> rather than keyboard commands, there has been a very significant increase 
>>> in the students' abilities to keep up with their sighted peers.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 26 Aug 2015, at 02:33, Christopher Gilland  
 wrote:
 
 Guys,
 
 OK so here is my next observation working soly with I O S exclusively for 
 this 1-day challenge.
 
 This morning, the challenge has been forcing myself to check all of my 
 e-mail from my IPad.  I am not saying that I've never done e-mail from I O 
 S before.  Remember, I am a fairly advanced I O S user, however I'm 
 honestly starting to wonder if I really am as advanced as I gave myself 
 credit.  I definitely feel very weird doing things totally on a mobile 
 platform only.  I think it's more that I know what I'm doing, but it's 
 just a bit foreign to me, as I don't admittedly do this probably near as 
 much as I should.
 
 Anyway, so e-mail... OK, realize that I'm basing this on doing things with 
 the IPad, not with an IPod/IPhone.  This said, I'm sure I'd run into some 
 of the same hurtles.  These things are definitely not show stoppers by any 
 means, but it's just taking some time for me to really get used to.
 
 First off, I was under the impression that when using a bluetooth 
 keyboard, which I am, I could use some of the same keystrokes that are 
 built into Mail on the Mac.  For example, When sitting on a message in my 
 inbox, focused on the message list, I heard a message, something like, 
 Unread, Christopher-Mark Gilland: This is a test.  I also heard Voiceover 
 tell me that actions were available within my actions rotor.  I totally 
 understand that I could have pressed my down arrow key to move through 
 these actions, however, I was under the impression that if I was to simply 
 just hit my delete key, I then could delete that message with basically 
 one keystroke.  Lamentably, this didn't work.  I'm not sure if that has 
 anything to do with the fact that I'm using IMap with GMail, but I 
 seriously doubt it.  I don't think I was in my GMail mailbox.  To the best 
 of my knowledge, I was in my unified inbox.
 
 Finally, I found a message that I needed to read.  I pressed both my up 
 and down arrow keys together to perform a double tap on the item.  I admit 
 I was very impressed that even though the IPad uses a split screen, and 
 therefore the message list virtically stays on the left side of the 
 screen, Voiceover was smart enough to move my immediate focus to the 
 content of the message I'd just double tapped on.  I was then able to use 
 quick nav and simply left and right arrow through the message, as if I was 
 flicking through the screen to r

Re: My I O S 1 Day Chalenge Part2

[Devin Prater]

The only thing I hate about braille with Apple devices is that it doesn't show 
textual formatting like italics. Not even putting the braille signs for italics 
makes the text actually italicized.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So on the braille front?
> 
> Is it me or does braille support on the IOS devices like the pad and phone 
> work so much better than it does on the Mac with VO?
> 
> What’s that about?
> 
> I just got a braille device and I’m actually thinking (perish the thought) of 
> installing windows in a VM so I can use it with JFW instead of VoiceOver on 
> the computer side.
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 3:18 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> I run my business and personal life from my iPhone and my iPad. I turn my 
>> Mac on around once per week.
>> 
>> The biggest hint I can give you is, learn to use your touch screen. I use my 
>> touch screen all the time. I now use braille screen input for writing, 
>> including this email. You may well find yourself much more productive if you 
>> only use your keyboard for actually writing text. This, after all, is how 
>> the iPad and iPhone are designed to be used.
>> 
>> My fiancé is a specialised teacher of blind children. Now that she has 
>> adjusted her teaching to having the kids use touch screen gesture commands 
>> rather than keyboard commands, there has been a very significant increase in 
>> the students' abilities to keep up with their sighted peers.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 02:33, Christopher Gilland  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>> 
>>> OK so here is my next observation working soly with I O S exclusively for 
>>> this 1-day challenge.
>>> 
>>> This morning, the challenge has been forcing myself to check all of my 
>>> e-mail from my IPad.  I am not saying that I've never done e-mail from I O 
>>> S before.  Remember, I am a fairly advanced I O S user, however I'm 
>>> honestly starting to wonder if I really am as advanced as I gave myself 
>>> credit.  I definitely feel very weird doing things totally on a mobile 
>>> platform only.  I think it's more that I know what I'm doing, but it's just 
>>> a bit foreign to me, as I don't admittedly do this probably near as much as 
>>> I should.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, so e-mail... OK, realize that I'm basing this on doing things with 
>>> the IPad, not with an IPod/IPhone.  This said, I'm sure I'd run into some 
>>> of the same hurtles.  These things are definitely not show stoppers by any 
>>> means, but it's just taking some time for me to really get used to.
>>> 
>>> First off, I was under the impression that when using a bluetooth keyboard, 
>>> which I am, I could use some of the same keystrokes that are built into 
>>> Mail on the Mac.  For example, When sitting on a message in my inbox, 
>>> focused on the message list, I heard a message, something like, Unread, 
>>> Christopher-Mark Gilland: This is a test.  I also heard Voiceover tell me 
>>> that actions were available within my actions rotor.  I totally understand 
>>> that I could have pressed my down arrow key to move through these actions, 
>>> however, I was under the impression that if I was to simply just hit my 
>>> delete key, I then could delete that message with basically one keystroke.  
>>> Lamentably, this didn't work.  I'm not sure if that has anything to do with 
>>> the fact that I'm using IMap with GMail, but I seriously doubt it.  I don't 
>>> think I was in my GMail mailbox.  To the best of my knowledge, I was in my 
>>> unified inbox.
>>> 
>>> Finally, I found a message that I needed to read.  I pressed both my up and 
>>> down arrow keys together to perform a double tap on the item.  I admit I 
>>> was very impressed that even though the IPad uses a split screen, and 
>>> therefore the message list virtically stays on the left side of the screen, 
>>> Voiceover was smart enough to move my immediate focus to the content of the 
>>> message I'd just double tapped on.  I was then able to use quick nav and 
>>> simply left and right arrow through the message, as if I was flicking 
>>> through the screen to read its content.  I was blown away at how well 
>>> things worked on that front!
>>> 
>>> Now came my next, "Huh?" moment.  I went to reply to the message.  I was 
>>> hoping, though on a mobile platform, not OSX, that Apple would have 
>>> implemented some keyboard hotkeys for us bluetooth users.  I therefore just 
>>> out of a hunch tried hitting command+R.  Well, um, duh.  That kind a didn't 
>>> work, darn!  So I went to the place where I logically thought the reply 
>>> icon would be located... below the message.  I then discovered it actually 
>>> wasn't down there, but instead, unlike on the IPhone, is up at the top of 
>>> the screen right above the message content.
>>> 
>>> So, yeah, that was a little bit confusing.
>>> 
>>> Further, 

Re: Neospeech?

[Devin Prater]

But their new voices are still within voice dream. Does this mean they only 
have an SDK of sorts?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Nope.  I checked back in the day when I first got this here 2009 Mac book 
> pro.  The truth of the matter is this.  Neo speech no longer makes a consumer 
> product of any sourt:  not even for the poor windows devotees out there.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 4:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe a dumb  question, but neither Neospeech Kate nor Paul have been ported 
>> over to the mac, have they?
>>  
>> Chris.
>> 
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Re: a new macvisionaries list

[Jessica Moss]

I actually was curious about that myself, why not just tighten up on the rules 
concerning this list than spend time creating a new one?
On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:46 AM, 'Gabriele Battaglia' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

> 
> 
> Reply to the Littlefield, Tyler's message, wrote on 26/08/2015 at 05:29:
> 
> Hi, sorry but, maybe I lost something.
> Why a new list?
> What is going to happen to this one?
> Thanks.
> Gabriel.
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CereProc

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi all,

I just checked out CereProc again, and unless my ears deceive me, there does 
seem to be a substantial improvement since I last visited some years back.

Is anybody now using CereProc voices in production under VoiceOver, and how do 
they find it?  These voices are expensive—£25 a pop—so I want to be sure I’m 
not going to be surprised by the quality of the software.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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goodbye, Macvisionaries!

[Littlefield, Tyler]

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Hello all,

It's been an interesting past couple of days. From the moment I
decided to start a new macvisionaries list, to all of the wildly off
topics of religious freedom, anarchy and the rest, to all of the great
responses I received from a lot of you, either for or against the
list. I'm taking everything and we're going to decide on the new list
the best way forward.

I would like to hope that I'm able to do the right thing here and that
this will help. Thanks everyone for the feedback and suggestions. Also
I apologize to everyone for the massive amount of messages this
generated. Please let me know if you have any questions.

My personal address is
ty...@tysdomain.com
 for any questions.
Also, the list information is as follows:
Subscribers can join the list by sending email to
macvisionaries-requ...@freelists.org

 with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by
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list name/for Jonathan was Re: a new macvisionaries list

[Littlefield, Tyler]

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Jonathan,
I promised a last message on the last one and forgot I wanted to reply
to this.

I want to be totally honest here, I didn't really think about this
slapping anyone in the face when it happened. When I started the list,
my thought process was like this. "Many unhappy community members,
Macvisionaries abandoned for months, lets pick it up and not let it
die." I considered macvisionaries 2.0, but I just went with what we
all knew. I really was worried about stepping on a lot of toes.

As this is a community, I'm going to ask the good folks over on the
list what they'd like/prefer and we'll go from there. If they all want
a new address with a new name, hopefully someone is more creative than
I and that's what will happen.

Thanks for bringing up this concern, I really appreciate it. As I've
said a few times, I don't want to offend anyone. I've seen communities
such as this die off with less issues and I don't want to see this one go.

Thanks,
On 8/26/2015 1:52 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
> Hi Tyler and all. As someone who has participated in these sorts
> of forums for around 30 years, dating back to the FidoNet days, I
> generally have a policy of not fuelling the flames by making
> comments on the drama. I've also run many lists in my time, and
> like you, I don't agree that a totally hands-off approach works,
> especially because even if you filter the problem child, it can be
> difficult to filter the responses to the problem child. Then you
> get yourself into a situation where you spend so much time tweaking
> your filters, you may as well just unsubscribe, which I've been
> considering doing. When the person who is the source of at least
> 80% of the current problems resubscribed to this list, I thought
> the cycle would repeat itself, as I've seen it do on several
> occasions on this list. It goes like this, things start off OK,
> then the posts get increasingly inappropriate, then people object
> to his behaviour, then, finally, he throws a tantrum and
> unsubscribes, and we all get on with our lives. For whatever
> reason, the latter part of this sequence hasn't happened as quickly
> as it usually does. This list needs a moderator. It does not have
> one right now, it only has an owner. So congratulations to you for
> starting another list. It's a free world and anyone can start any
> list on any topic they choose, and people can make a decision to
> subscribe or not based on whether they think it will add value and
> is worthy of their time. I would seriously  consider subscribing,
> but will not, for one important reason. I think using the name
> MacVisionaries is dishonest, inappropriate, and taking advantage of
> years of effort on the part of others. I am not in any way
> suggesting that you are a dishonest person. I am merely referring
> to this particular action. MacVisionaries is a strong brand. It's a
> rapidly deteriorating one, but it has helped many people. Just
> because you want to start a new list, doesn't mean this one is
> going away any time soon. When people use a search engine to find 
> MacVisionaries, and get two lists, how are they supposed to
> differentiate? If your list is going to be well-moderated, and
> there will be people actively ensuring it adds value to those
> contributing, why would you want to be associated with a brand
> that, presently, is in trouble? I would strongly urge you, as a
> sign of respect for all this current list has given to the
> community, and more to the point, the individuals who created this
> list, to do the right thing and think of a name of your own. All
> the best with it, whatever you decide to do.
> 
> 
> Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks,
> tutorials and training http://Mosen.org 
> 
>> On 27/08/2015, at 5:15 AM, Littlefield, Tyler
>> mailto:ty...@tysdomain.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello: I actually tried for the best of both worlds here. I’ve
>> reached out to Cara numerous times, even mentioned her on twitter
>> and gotten no response. This was the last solution for me, but
>> one which I really do think will work. So I do want it known that
>> I have exhausted all possibilities short of banging on her door.
>> 
>> thanks,
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> For whatever it may be worth, I really think the best thing
>>> would be to have new moderators on this list, rather than
>>> fragmenting the community. I know that is not a new idea as
>>> several have mentioned the same idea. I also don't agree with
>>> the wild West approach. I'm sorry. But when you send email to a
>>> list of several hundred people, you are coming into their
>>> homes. And you did not have a right to abuse that privilege.
>>> Nor should several hundred people be expected to write
>>> filtersbecause of one or two outliers who make itunpleasant for
>>> everybody. If a list is said to be moderated, people who
>>> s

Re: snow leppard 10.6.3 to 10.6.8

[Alex Hall]

Try the update to 10.6.8 first. According to Apple's site, it's still live; if 
the App Store can't find it, Apple provides this direct link (which I haven't 
tested):
https://support.apple.com/downloads/DL1400/en_US/MacOSXUpd10.6.8.dmg
Here's the support article I found on the topic, which seems to be quite 
standard and makes no mention of discontinuation:
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1400?locale=en_US
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> When reading the upgrade information for yosemity, the page states you need 
> 10.6.8 before you can update to yosemity.
> So in that case then what would they do?
> 
> On 8/27/2015 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> They can use software update to go from 10.6.3, to 10.6.8, and yes, it 
>> should be free.  The only concern I'd have would be if Apple has pulled the 
>> 10.6.8 update from their servers, as it's so old.  It wouldn't surprise me 
>> at all if they've done so.
>> 
>> But, seriously though, .  Why don't they want to update to Yosemite?  If the 
>> friend is who I think it is, then their system definitely! will support it 
>> very easily.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:25 AM
>> Subject: snow leppard 10.6.3 to 10.6.8
>> 
>> 
>>> I have been talking to a friend on line that is trying to update to the 
>>> last version of snow leppard will they have to purchase the 10.6.8 update 
>>> or can they still update through software update?
>>> 
>>> They are trying to resolve some safari issues and other things they have 
>>> noticed.
>>> I have told them about Yosemity and they are willing to do something like 
>>> this but everything to them at this point is very frustrating to them. and 
>>> they are about  to go out of there wits with trying to figure things out, I 
>>> told them to be patient and go slowly at it for that is the way of the 
>>> force.
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Re: Neospeech?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Nope.  I checked back in the day when I first got this here 2009 Mac book pro.  
The truth of the matter is this.  Neo speech no longer makes a consumer product 
of any sourt:  not even for the poor windows devotees out there.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

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> On Aug 27, 2015, at 4:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe a dumb  question, but neither Neospeech Kate nor Paul have been ported 
> over to the mac, have they?
>  
> Chris.
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Re: a new macvisionaries list

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It's pretty ridiculous that this thread is more than 100 messages long.



On 8/27/2015 2:55 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> Hello: I'm a bit baffled by this response, because you're trying to
> make Chris sound like this reasonable guy who sometimes just might
> slip with the f-bomb. This is not the case. Less than a month ago I
> said something that bothered him. I woke up to 20+ emails at least
> cursing and ranting. There is no call for that.
> 
> I'm also going to say I find it mildly amusing that this uproar is 
> because of a specific person but also because how the list has 
> devolved and he just kind of ignores that and moves on to trying
> to sound sensable again. I'm curious how much of his junk is
> getting blocked/how soon it will take him to devolve.
> 
> But to make it clear, this isn't specifically for one person. I
> feel like I've said this 500 times. It's because the list was
> allowed to devolve and a majority of the community does not like
> that. I'm also calling an end to this endless debate on my behalf,
> no matter what I'll say you'll just scream "You idiot just filter,"
> and that's fine. Chocolate and vanilla, remember?
> 
> On 8/27/2015 8:59 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> First off, nothing Chris says or could say offends me or for
>> that matter nothing anyone says on any of these mailing lists
>> offends me or would chase me away. Secondly, I’ve actually taken
>> the time to talk to Chris off line and also seen a whole
>> different side to his responses on another list where there was a
>> lot of attacking going on so I have radically changed my opinion
>> of him from when I first ran in to him some time ago.  Does he
>> push the boundaries and get out of line sometimes, sure but so do
>> I and a lot of people. All moderation means to me is someone
>> either can’t police themselves, they need to have their hand held
>> and content managed for them and or someone has a power trip they
>> need to feed and wants their own personal kingdom to rule over
>> and dictate to everyone else what they will say or how they will
>> act etc.  No thank you. I’d rather have a little noise and
>> exercise my delete finger than have someone else dictate content
>> standards to me.
> 
> 
>> So my answer to you is no.
> 
> 
>> Anything Chris
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Yuma Decaux >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> What are you really ttryint to get to? Take the same home 
>>> analogy, or let’s say the social club analogy. A majority is 
>>> agreeing that this guy is detrimental. It’s been months like
>>> this and in recent dates taking a culminating effect of driving
>>> the discussion towards what to do with him, on and off list.
>>> Your words are also getting more radical, mentioning churches
>>> etc. Don’t you think its time to consider that maybe something
>>> does need to be done?
>>> 
>>> 
 On 27/08/2015, at 2:40 AM, Scott Granados 
 mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 I think its funny how people like to push the responsibility
 on to someone else instead of deal with it themselves.
 
 If you don’t want to invite someone in to your home then 
 don’t. Nobody forces you to read anything.
 
 These are the same busy bodies who want content pulled on TV 
 because someone said something they don’t like or it offends 
 some arbitrary religious value or another. Oh I don’t like
 what he said in that song, ban it, moderate it, my view is
 the right view so all others be damned.
 
 wow
 
 
 
> On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Mary Otten
> mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> For whatever it may be worth, I really think the best
> thing would be to have new moderators on this list, rather
> than fragmenting the community. I know that is not a new
> idea as several have mentioned the same idea. I also don't
> agree with the wild West approach. I'm sorry. But when you
> send email to a list of several hundred people, you are
> coming into their homes. And you did not have a right to
> abuse that privilege. Nor should several hundred people be
> expected to write filtersbecause of one or two outliers who
> make itunpleasant for everybody. If a list is said to be
> moderated, people who signed up for that list have a right
> to expect that the rules will be followed and that those
> who do not follow them consistently will be taken off the
> list. If you like unmoderated lists, start one, or, if you
> want to check one out, go check out the eyes freelist. The
> last time I was on there, which was admittedly many months
> ago, it was horrible. I'm not arguing for one strike and
> you're out or heavy-handed moderation. But when it becomes
> clear overtime that a few people simply cannot follow
> simple guidelines, then a moderator needs to take a

Re: two questions about the Mac

[Scott Granados]

Ok, you’ve convinced me.:)

Excellent response.

So I’m going to probably side with you then and say why do they not just update 
the tools, to make more money.:)  Bottom line it’s about that $99 every time 
you update isn’t it?  Thinking it through you’re really dead on the mark.  It 
would be one thing if you got a real bump in performance or battery life or 
something useful but you’re right.  It’s just to support the latest OS and 
install an updated vmtools.exe package.

As for KVM.  We’re on the same page.  Unfortunately we use Xen where I am now 
but I am also a big fan of KVM.  There’s a company called digital ocean that 
uses KVM to host hundreds of thousands of virtual machines and it scales very 
well to these levels.

Great points.

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott, good points.
> 
> I pay for Fusion because I don’t think we have much of a choice, though I 
> certainly like the VMWare codebase.  On Windows Workstation is a much better 
> product; you can use Workstation to build VMs that Fusion will run.
> 
> I can appreciate that everything changes and usually gets better; hardware 
> virtualisation is a great example of that.  Now your guest OS doesn’t need 
> special sauce just to run, though it may benefit from guest helpers to make 
> it run faster without overhead on virtual hardware.  KVM on Linux is where 
> it’s at: it is a layer of virtualisation support accessed by host 
> applications that provide the interface to the user.  Really awesome, and the 
> only condition is that your processor knows how to virtualise privileged 
> modes.  I’ve no doubt something like that will be part of every OS soon; 
> Windows has HyperV and OS X now has this virtualisation subsystem.  I guess 
> what I’m saying in regard to VMWare specifically is that, unless the actual 
> virtualisation part of the virtualisation software has changed, it seems 
> strange that there should even be a need for an upgrade.  Just release the 
> new guest tools, provide a patch to provide the new specification for the 
> hardware that your new OS wants, run the Win10 upgrade assistant thingy 
> inside Windows, and you’re set.  VMWare on the other hand is giving you the 
> complete package and charging for it on what appears to be the thin promise 
> of “Supports new shiny thing” while overlooking the actual changes required 
> in a well-designed stack.  It’s a bit like digital rentals; you make a 
> complete copy, so it’s not a rental at all, but you don’t mind as long as the 
> price is lower and the rental is advertised as a rental.  If your connection 
> speed is fast enough you might even be led to believe that the Internet isn’t 
> even involved, thus completing the illusion.
> 
> So yeah, just my little rant.  Honestly I think it’s just VMWare being VMWare 
> and sadly, it seems, catching on that Mac users are happy to pedal the 
> treadmill.  Can’t complain when I paid for a Mac, after all.
> 
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Re: a new macvisionaries list

[Littlefield, Tyler]

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Hello:
I'm a bit baffled by this response, because you're trying to make
Chris sound like this reasonable guy who sometimes just might slip
with the f-bomb. This is not the case. Less than a month ago I said
something that bothered him. I woke up to 20+ emails at least cursing
and ranting. There is no call for that.

I'm also going to say I find it mildly amusing that this uproar is
because of a specific person but also because how the list has
devolved and he just kind of ignores that and moves on to trying to
sound sensable again. I'm curious how much of his junk is getting
blocked/how soon it will take him to devolve.

But to make it clear, this isn't specifically for one person. I feel
like I've said this 500 times. It's because the list was allowed to
devolve and a majority of the community does not like that. I'm also
calling an end to this endless debate on my behalf, no matter what
I'll say you'll just scream "You idiot just filter," and that's fine.
Chocolate and vanilla, remember?

On 8/27/2015 8:59 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> First off, nothing Chris says or could say offends me or for that
> matter nothing anyone says on any of these mailing lists offends me
> or would chase me away. Secondly, I’ve actually taken the time to
> talk to Chris off line and also seen a whole different side to his
> responses on another list where there was a lot of attacking going
> on so I have radically changed my opinion of him from when I first
> ran in to him some time ago.  Does he push the boundaries and get
> out of line sometimes, sure but so do I and a lot of people. All
> moderation means to me is someone either can’t police themselves, 
> they need to have their hand held and content managed for them and
> or someone has a power trip they need to feed and wants their own
> personal kingdom to rule over and dictate to everyone else what
> they will say or how they will act etc.  No thank you. I’d rather
> have a little noise and exercise my delete finger than have someone
> else dictate content standards to me.
> 
> 
> So my answer to you is no.
> 
> 
> Anything Chris
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Yuma Decaux > > wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> What are you really ttryint to get to? Take the same home
>> analogy, or let’s say the social club analogy. A majority is
>> agreeing that this guy is detrimental. It’s been months like this
>> and in recent dates taking a culminating effect of driving the
>> discussion towards what to do with him, on and off list. Your
>> words are also getting more radical, mentioning churches etc.
>> Don’t you think its time to consider that maybe something does
>> need to be done?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 27/08/2015, at 2:40 AM, Scott Granados
>>> mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think its funny how people like to push the responsibility on
>>> to someone else instead of deal with it themselves.
>>> 
>>> If you don’t want to invite someone in to your home then
>>> don’t. Nobody forces you to read anything.
>>> 
>>> These are the same busy bodies who want content pulled on TV
>>> because someone said something they don’t like or it offends
>>> some arbitrary religious value or another. Oh I don’t like what
>>> he said in that song, ban it, moderate it, my view is the right
>>> view so all others be damned.
>>> 
>>> wow
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:
 
 For whatever it may be worth, I really think the best thing
 would be to have new moderators on this list, rather than
 fragmenting the community. I know that is not a new idea as
 several have mentioned the same idea. I also don't agree with
 the wild West approach. I'm sorry. But when you send email to
 a list of several hundred people, you are coming into their
 homes. And you did not have a right to abuse that privilege.
 Nor should several hundred people be expected to write
 filtersbecause of one or two outliers who make itunpleasant 
 for everybody. If a list is said to be moderated, people who
 signed up for that list have a right to expect that the rules
 will be followed and that those who do not follow them
 consistently will be taken off the list. If you like
 unmoderated lists, start one, or, if you want to check one
 out, go check out the eyes freelist. The last time I was on
 there, which was admittedly many months ago, it was horrible.
 I'm not arguing for one strike and you're out or heavy-handed
 moderation. But when it becomes clear overtime that a few
 people simply cannot follow simple guidelines, then a
 moderator needs to take action, or a new moderator needs to
 be found. So, I guess I'm joining my voice with the chorus of
 those who say that in the best of all worlds, this list would
 remain but would have an active moderator who did his or her
 job. Mary

Re: a new macvisionaries list

[Littlefield, Tyler]

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I've set up mailman multiple times... It never used mysql.
On 8/27/2015 3:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> I didn't say Mailman natively could be done from the CLI.  You're 
> correct, you do have to use other packages as well in combination
> to make this approach work, but it is! possible to do.  It's
> honestly probably more trouble than it's worth, but there you have
> it, in a nutshell.  I do acknowledge your concerns initially
> though.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 
>  To:  Sent:
> Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:25 AM Subject: Re: a new
> macvisionaries list
> 
> 
> You must be talking about a different Mailman, as on my site I
> get: No manual entry for mailman
> 
> Mailman 2.x, at least, stores its data in Python pickles, not SQL 
> databases. Although I know about a third-party command-line tool
> (called mailmanadmin) which does most moderation from the shell or
> cron, it’s still not as beauteous as the Ecartis approach of
> copy-pasting moderation commands into an email message and sending
> them off; you still need to connect to the remote machine and run
> the tool.  Perhaps Mailman 3.x is different, but it’s still under
> development, so not for me.
> 
> Anyway, to keep this relevant, Mailman is how this list started. 
> Perhaps it would be a better place for it to end up.  OS X can
> handle Mailman’s interface quite nicely using Safari and
> VoiceOver.
> 


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Re: snow leppard 10.6.3 to 10.6.8

[Singing Sparrow]

When reading the upgrade information for yosemity, the page states you 
need 10.6.8 before you can update to yosemity.

So in that case then what would they do?

On 8/27/2015 7:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
They can use software update to go from 10.6.3, to 10.6.8, and yes, it 
should be free.  The only concern I'd have would be if Apple has 
pulled the 10.6.8 update from their servers, as it's so old.  It 
wouldn't surprise me at all if they've done so.


But, seriously though, .  Why don't they want to update to Yosemite?  
If the friend is who I think it is, then their system definitely! will 
support it very easily.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:25 AM
Subject: snow leppard 10.6.3 to 10.6.8


I have been talking to a friend on line that is trying to update to 
the last version of snow leppard will they have to purchase the 
10.6.8 update or can they still update through software update?


They are trying to resolve some safari issues and other things they 
have noticed.
I have told them about Yosemity and they are willing to do something 
like this but everything to them at this point is very frustrating to 
them. and they are about  to go out of there wits with trying to 
figure things out, I told them to be patient and go slowly at it for 
that is the way of the force.


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Re: two questions about the Mac

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi Scott, good points.

I pay for Fusion because I don’t think we have much of a choice, though I 
certainly like the VMWare codebase.  On Windows Workstation is a much better 
product; you can use Workstation to build VMs that Fusion will run.

I can appreciate that everything changes and usually gets better; hardware 
virtualisation is a great example of that.  Now your guest OS doesn’t need 
special sauce just to run, though it may benefit from guest helpers to make it 
run faster without overhead on virtual hardware.  KVM on Linux is where it’s 
at: it is a layer of virtualisation support accessed by host applications that 
provide the interface to the user.  Really awesome, and the only condition is 
that your processor knows how to virtualise privileged modes.  I’ve no doubt 
something like that will be part of every OS soon; Windows has HyperV and OS X 
now has this virtualisation subsystem.  I guess what I’m saying in regard to 
VMWare specifically is that, unless the actual virtualisation part of the 
virtualisation software has changed, it seems strange that there should even be 
a need for an upgrade.  Just release the new guest tools, provide a patch to 
provide the new specification for the hardware that your new OS wants, run the 
Win10 upgrade assistant thingy inside Windows, and you’re set.  VMWare on the 
other hand is giving you the complete package and charging for it on what 
appears to be the thin promise of “Supports new shiny thing” while overlooking 
the actual changes required in a well-designed stack.  It’s a bit like digital 
rentals; you make a complete copy, so it’s not a rental at all, but you don’t 
mind as long as the price is lower and the rental is advertised as a rental.  
If your connection speed is fast enough you might even be led to believe that 
the Internet isn’t even involved, thus completing the illusion.

So yeah, just my little rant.  Honestly I think it’s just VMWare being VMWare 
and sadly, it seems, catching on that Mac users are happy to pedal the 
treadmill.  Can’t complain when I paid for a Mac, after all.

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Re: destructive people and their right to freedom of speech

[Scott Granados]

Your rights end where my nose begins.

I like that!

I’ve never heard that one before.  That’s a great expression.

> On Aug 26, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Again I must agree.
> there is a Maxim in legal studies, your rights end where my nose begins. One  
> meaning of this is that I and only i in the end decide if something is 
> offensive...largely because the other party is not going to agree regardless.
> so, the greater question is why are you giving one person so much power over 
> you that you have to run away to another list?
> To be honest, I  am on this list, and I am totally lost as to who has started 
> another  challenge...because I just do not  read, or take personally messages 
> that are not true for me.
> Karen
> 
> 
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Yuma Decaux wrote:
> 
>> See what happens and keep this status quo going on while a majority is 
>> agreeing on several points? So we’re just discussing uselessly is this 
>> correct?
>> 
>>> On 27/08/2015, at 2:41 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess we'll just have to see what happens.
>>> I personally think it is counter productive to let one person make the 
>>> entire list not a good place for its members.  But with all this discussion 
>>> we are giving him more attention which is probably what he wants in the 
>>> first place.
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 That’s an easy one, because no one person can and should speak for anyone 
 else.
 
 We’ve already discussed on this thread what happens when a moderator goes 
 all power hungry.  I remember when it happened on an iteration of this 
 list probably 4 years back now and most people left the group because the 
 moderator in this case was on crack.
 
 On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> Why should everybody have to create a rule to filter out one 
> objectionable person when a moderator could handle that quickly and 
> efficiently.
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just add the objectionable person to a rule and move it automatically to 
>> the trash.
>> 
>> Simple, problem solved and no moderation.
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ET is right, I am afraid to say this.
>>> 
>>> I cannot count the number of times this person has fired out, insulted, 
>>> then asked pardon, justifying some personal issues which do not belong 
>>> to any mailing list, then repeat the process almost within the hour. If 
>>> he is so defensive and threatening towards so many people, this is 
>>> because these responders also feel offended by his words. There is a 
>>> democratic process going on, a natural finger pointing of someone who 
>>> just abuses the fact that there are no moderators in this list. Some of 
>>> us try to resolve this one way or the other but nothing will be done if 
>>> no one takes action, gas bagging and cackering instead in the drainpipe 
>>> of opinionated expression. The latter is useless. Action can solve 
>>> everything.
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 27/08/2015, at 12:43 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 There are as many opinions here as there are members of this group. 
 This issue is generating a lot of traffic that is not helpful to the 
 grpup. We have one person who cannot control himself. Banning him will 
 break the fever and let the group move on.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
 On 8/26/2015 7:31 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
> A very simple solution is for everyone to be aware that the list is 
> moderated, and throw in a public warning to whoever is continuously 
> abusing others verbally, not necessarily ban the person. The point is 
> to make the offensive person reflect on themselves. Banning them 
> would result in upsets and possible worse attitudes in other lists.
> 
> 
>> On 26/08/2015, at 10:39 PM, Scott Granados 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes until you’ve eventually removed everyone from deviating from 
>> your acceptable use over time.
>> 
>> Banning someone from any mailing list is just weak sauce.  The only 
>> exception to that at least for me is spammers.  There have been 
>> serious lack of moderation and spam problems on other lists like the 
>> eyesore list from Google.  Automated programs dumping recruiting 
>> adds and so forth is just disruptive.  Pending that though I 
>> couldn’t see banning someone.
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2015, at 3:06 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It only

Re: Just my thoughts.

[Scott Granados]

Kawal, if someone stops speaking to you over a mailing list, they weren’t a 
friend.:)

These resources are good for information but things like email and email lists 
just aren’t good for expression of anything even remotely emotional.  It’s to 
easy to mistake what the intent of someone posting something is.  Bottom line 
don’t take anything online to seriously.



> On Aug 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> So let's say who ever offends subscribes to the new list and says something 
> out of sorts then there is a spat on that new list before a mod steps in.  
> You see in my thinking, the damage is already been done as harsh words are 
> said and therefore in my thinking the same problem occurs.  I know a mod can 
> band them straight away but we being human beings don't always forget the bad 
> things as it's in human nature to remember harsh words.
> 
> Personally I have had people writing to me saying that they no longer wish to 
> communicate with me who belong to this list.  Whilst I don't like it because 
> I prefer to try and talk issues through, I have had to learn to accept that 
> people will not speak to me and have had to continue as if nothing has 
> happened.  That for me has been very hard to deal with but I have had to do 
> so.  So for me, it doesn't matter what a person may say as long as we all 
> respect each other.  One of the reasons why I don't contribute so much to 
> this list because people can drop a friend ship after knowing you for more 
> than four years.  A painful lesson.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
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Re: anyone know if there's a gesture for muting the Apple Watch?

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Jamie!
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Jamie Pauls  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> Have you checked out David Woodbridges series of Apple Watch podcasts on 
> AppleVis? Just go to the link on the front page of the site called "Getting 
> Started with Your First Apple Watch. David covers every conceivable aspect of 
> using the Apple Watch with VoiceOver Let me know if you need a direct link 
> and I will provide it. Thanks. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> How did you find that? :)  I was googling this before I posted, but didn't 
>> see it.  thanks!
>> Donna
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:06 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How to mute your Apple Watch on the Apple Watch
>>> 
>>> 1.Press the Digital Crown until you see the watch face.
>>> 2.Swipe up to reveal the Settings Glance. (if you get a different glance 
>>> just swipe left until you get to Settings.)
>>> 3.Tap the Mute button.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> H^TH
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 04:54
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: anyone know if there's a gesture for muting the Apple Watch?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know if there's a way to do this? I'm not talking about 
>>> touching it with your palm, but actually putting it on mute, the way you 
>>> can do with your phone, so the phone doesn't ring, messages don't ping, etc.
>>> thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: anyone know if there's a gesture for muting the Apple Watch?

[Jamie Pauls]

Donna,

Have you checked out David Woodbridges series of Apple Watch podcasts on 
AppleVis? Just go to the link on the front page of the site called "Getting 
Started with Your First Apple Watch. David covers every conceivable aspect of 
using the Apple Watch with VoiceOver Let me know if you need a direct link and 
I will provide it. Thanks. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> How did you find that? :)  I was googling this before I posted, but didn't 
> see it.  thanks!
> Donna
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:06 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How to mute your Apple Watch on the Apple Watch
>> 
>> 1.Press the Digital Crown until you see the watch face.
>> 2.Swipe up to reveal the Settings Glance. (if you get a different glance 
>> just swipe left until you get to Settings.)
>> 3.Tap the Mute button.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> H^TH
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 04:54
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: anyone know if there's a gesture for muting the Apple Watch?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Does anyone know if there's a way to do this? I'm not talking about touching 
>> it with your palm, but actually putting it on mute, the way you can do with 
>> your phone, so the phone doesn't ring, messages don't ping, etc.
>> thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: audible books on the Mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Hi Andrew.

Audible will actually reset your activations for you, if you call them.

1-888-283-5051, if you're in the states or Canada.

I'm not sure how that works elseware, I'm sorry.  I'll betcha, 
supp...@audible.com would work.  If not, sign in, and click on the help 
link.


Grant it, I'd not make a habbit of having them reset your machines, but if 
you really truely legitimately lose an activation, they've always been very 
good about helping me out.


Chris.
- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Lamanche" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: audible books on the Mac


Hello,

Open Itunes and go to the "store" menu item and arrow down to the item 
authorise this computer for audible account or something very similar.  This 
will allow you to authorise your computer to play audible books via ituens. 
remember to deauthorise your computer with Audible should you have to change 
your computers or wipe it clean because Audible only allows a number of 
devices to play their content.


Andrew

On 26 Aug 2015, at 14:58, Faisal ali  wrote:

Hi all,
Recently, I’ve subscribed to audible and I wish to be able to read such 
books on my mac. As I understand, this can be done in iTunes but one needs 
to authorize one’s computer to be able to make this happen. Firstly, is 
there anyone on this list who read audible books on their macs? Secondly, 
how accessible was the authorization process? Based on what I read, one 
needs to download a book and once the book finishes downloading, the 
computer will prompt for a audible username and password to authorize the 
machine.

Thanks much.

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Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article]

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wo!  You can even do it based off the headers?  OK, I need to like, 
seriously! go look more at the filterring settings then.  That is something 
I admittedly didn't know.  If that's the case, then that is really really 
cool!


I just wish that I O S had filterring capability without you having to do it 
on the server side.  Oh well though.  You can't have everything.  Smile.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Oyen" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion [was: Re: the anti cleaning article]


yep. I use apple mail here and it has a very large selection of filters I 
can use. I can even filter based on any of the hidden header information 
(those pesky X-lines). It has allowed me to dump more spam than even gmail 
could (and do it properly).


-eric

On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

This is what I was suggesting but several folks got their panties in a 
bunch and feel that filtering is unacceptable.  They’d rather be spoon fed 
I suppose than work their own silverware.


Good point though


On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

may I offer a suggestion? there are mail filters that can be applied from 
the end user. Most mail clients can actually do this based on a number of 
criteria. So, if someone uses a foul tongue and makes threats, just 
filter their mail into the trash based on that offenders email address, 
or based on a list of words that are offensive. THe offender will realize 
with alacrity that his messages are being ignore and will go elsewhere.


Just a thought.

-eric

On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Of course, as always, it helps to remember that if nobody replied to the 
abuser, we wouldn’t have these issues.  But it also helps to know that a 
moderator can do this quickly in response to a general consensus or 
clear harm being done, and that, for better or worse, people will 
respond angrily to threads and contribute to their derailment.  I see no 
reason why anybody’s freedoms should be impacted by such moderation, 
only the benefits that come from a more efficient filter on the list 
mail than would be achievable otherwise by individual members, 
especially when the only tools available to them are on their devices.


So, as I said previously, I regard this as a matter of administration, 
not ethics.  Having a moderator around is simply important for damage 
control—nothing more.


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Re: audible books on the Mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

This is provided, Marcia, that you have Safari set to automatically open 
safe downloaded files after they finnish downloading.  Some people, like 
myself, might not have Safari configured this way.  So yes.  What you're 
saying is correct 99.999% of the time, but I would just hate for someone to 
have Safari set differently, it not open automatically, not take them into 
ITuens and authorize, and then they wonder why not.


No biggy.  It's all perfectly fine.  No hard feelings whatsoever.  I just 
thought I'd make this as a valid point.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Marcia Yale" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: audible books on the Mac


Actually, all you have to do is initiate the download from the Audible site 
and iTunes will automatically recognize it and prompt you for your user ID 
and password if it's the first book to be downloaded.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Faisal ali

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 9:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: audible books on the Mac

Hi all,
Recently, I’ve subscribed to audible and I wish to be able to read such 
books on my mac. As I understand, this can be done in iTunes but one needs 
to authorize one’s computer to be able to make this happen. Firstly, is 
there anyone on this list who read audible books on their macs? Secondly, 
how accessible was the authorization process? Based on what I read, one 
needs to download a book and once the book finishes downloading, the 
computer will prompt for a audible username and password to authorize the 
machine.

Thanks much.

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Re: audible books on the Mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Andrew,

What the other list member is trying to say, if I'm correctly understanding 
them is, yes, deauthorize is there, just not authorize.  If you want to 
deauthorize, then yes.  You go to the Store menu.  However if you are trying 
to authorize in the first place, you need to first import a book, then you 
should be prompted to enter your Audible login credentials.  Does that make 
a little more sense?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Lamanche" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: audible books on the Mac


Sorry, I run the latest iTunes and I still have "deauthorise" audible 
account" under the store menu item so I assumed there would have been its 
opposite, .e. "authorise audible account'.  Didn't mean to mislead.


Andrew

On 26 Aug 2015, at 16:59, Faisal ali  wrote:

Hi there Andrew,
This is no longer the way its done since iTunes 12.2. According to the 
help page I read, the only way to authorize is by downloading a book. If 
you look in the store menu in iTunes, they only thing pertinent to audible 
is reauthorize audible account, not authorize.



On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Hello,

Open Itunes and go to the "store" menu item and arrow down to the item 
authorise this computer for audible account or something very similar. 
This will allow you to authorise your computer to play audible books via 
ituens.  remember to deauthorise your computer with Audible should you 
have to change your computers or wipe it clean because Audible only 
allows a number of devices to play their content.


Andrew

On 26 Aug 2015, at 14:58, Faisal ali  wrote:

Hi all,
Recently, I’ve subscribed to audible and I wish to be able to read such 
books on my mac. As I understand, this can be done in iTunes but one 
needs to authorize one’s computer to be able to make this happen. 
Firstly, is there anyone on this list who read audible books on their 
macs? Secondly, how accessible was the authorization process? Based on 
what I read, one needs to download a book and once the book finishes 
downloading, the computer will prompt for a audible username and 
password to authorize the machine.

Thanks much.

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Re: two questions about the Mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK. Regarding ITunes:

When you are looking at the list of all your podcasts, there should be a 
settings button just past all of the podcast titles.  If you go into 
settings, there should be a popup button to either choose a specific one of 
those podcasts, or a default option.  In here, you should be able to set 
that popup to default, then configure your update settings accordingly.  I 
wonder if perhaps something in there might not be configured to your liking.


If you need a hand with this, let me know.

I'd be happy to provide any help I can, and I'll be free via either phone or 
Skype pretty much all day today, (Thursday,) so if nothing else, tell me how 
to get ahold of you, and a good time, and I'll help you out more with this.


Podcasts can be a little tricky with ITunes to get configured correctly, but 
once you do so, they actually work really really really well.


Chris.
- Original Message - 
From: "Juliette Swiler" 

To: 
Cc: "Juliette Swiler" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 9:47 PM
Subject: two questions about the Mac


Hi,
My first question is I got an update notice for Fusion and I only see a 
learn more button, but no option to install it. How do I go about this? 
Also, in iTunes, I am having a strange problem where my podcasts will not 
update properly. However, they update properly via the podcasts app on my 
iPhone.

Thanks.

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Re: two questions about the Mac

[Scott Granados]

Chris, you need to also have a key even a 30 day demo key.

You can’t just install it and run it I don’t believe.  (correct me if I’m wrong)

You have to fill out a trial form with several bits of info and then a key is 
emailed to you to add.  So even with the DMG I don’t think you’ll get that far.

What do you think?

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 7:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Caitlyn,
> 
> Beautiful name By the way, thank you so much for your quick response.  That 
> is kind of what I suspected regarding the download of version 8.  I wonder if 
> anyone up here may be so kind as to have a Sendspace or a Dropbox link they 
> could share of the DMG.  I'm not asking for a pirated copy or anything, LOL! 
> Make that very clear.  I'm only wanting the DMG itself with the installer, so 
> that I can run it as a demo, and evaluate if I want to purchase it.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 7:07 AM
> Subject: Re: two questions about the Mac
> 
> 
> For Fusion, you probably have to go to their incredible inaccessable web site 
> and get the new version.  In the notice about the fusion update, there should 
> be a button to click on that says something like “learn more”, or “update 
> now”. this will take you to their web site.
> 
> I am still using fusion 6.x so if they’ve changed things since then I can’t 
> help more..
> Cait
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Juliette Swiler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> My first question is I got an update notice for Fusion and I only see a 
>> learn more button, but no option to install it. How do I go about this? 
>> Also, in iTunes, I am having a strange problem where my podcasts will not 
>> update properly. However, they update properly via the podcasts app on my 
>> iPhone.
>> Thanks.
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Re: My Own Thoughts on Today's Subjects

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I don't think it's a matter of one writing rules.  I think it's a matter of 
the cummunity *maturely!* coming together as just that... a community... and 
working with the moderators to come up with fair rules.  This way nothing at 
all is dictated.  It gives the members a sense of knowing their opinions 
really do matter.


Personally, when I create a mailing list, I never ever ever make any rules 
at all until I have at least 5 or 10 people subscribed.  At this point, I 
usually send out an admin message asking for people's opinions on what they 
would like to see, vs. what they don't want to see with the list.  We then 
on list hold a discussion, *as adults,* and then once I've gotten everyone's 
opinion, I, don't settle on the rules, but instead, we work together to come 
up with a base plan.


If people then later join and don't like the rules, then I always invite 
them to privately approach me off list, and I'll gladly discuss things with 
them.  Heck!  I'll even go so far as to arrange a voice conversation with 
them, if that is what they'd like to do.  I'll then systematicly listen to 
their concerns, and if I feel they are valid, then I'll address things 
accordingly.  If I feel they are not valid however, then I am not rude about 
it.  I stick my guns, yes, but I will do my best to acknowledge the person's 
feelings and opinions, but then will also explain why I feel differently. 
If after this we cannot come to a compromise, then I do not ban or the like. 
I simply just agree to disagree.  Then, if the rule gets broken past that 
point, then I'll take action, but only then will I do so.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "r a gindin" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: My Own Thoughts on Today's Subjects


and who will write those rules?

ag

On 8/26/15 10:50 PM, David Tanner wrote:
Folks, let us be adults here.  We all have our own opinions about a lot of 
things.  And, just to say that a person doesn't have the right to say that 
they don't feel a need for a certain product is not life shattering.  And, 
if a person wants respect then they need to be sure that they are showing 
respect to others on the list.


If a different moderator is needed, or if there is again a need for a 
group of more than one moderator to make decisions on the rules for the 
list and how it is managed then let those who wish to work daily to make 
this list better let it be known that they wish to help make this a better 
list for all.


But, for better or worse there are times on any mailinglist that some 
folks want to act like children.  So, then the moderators need to have 
rules in place that clearly determine what actions will cause a person to 
be put on monitoring, and if the actions continue they will be removed 
from the list.  And, once the rules are made the moderators need to stick 
to the rules so that everyone knows what the rules are and what actions by 
them will cause them to be removed from the list.


  that


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 6:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: My Own Thoughts on Today's Subjects

Hi all. I, like others, also say that making a new Mac Visionaries list 
won't solve anything. The reality of the matter is that drama follows us 
everywhere and if we make a whole new mailing list, we're basically 
running away from reality. Cara made an excellent point earlier and I'm 
proud that she was honest enough to come out in the open and explain 
herself. It's hard to lose someone you care dearly about, and I give her 
my sincere condolences.
Now, about the certain somebody that you all keep writing about, and I 
know who all of you are talking about. You each may have your own reasons 
for why you dislike him so much, but your contempt for him over shadows 
what he's done for this community, and I for one appreciate what he's 
done. I mean, I'm like him. When I post to this list about issues or 
opinions, I'm hoping that my intentions are good and that somebody 
appreciates them without having to ask for that appreciation. And when 
people attack me, just like someone did last week, (you know who you are), 
because I gave an honest opinion about the iPhone 6 Plus and why I don't 
need one right now, it's like a slap in the face. It's like someone coming 
up to you and saying, "We don't care what you think so shut the F**K up." 
I mean, has this list turned into so much of a drama pool where people 
like me can't voice questions or opinions without getting attacked? 
Because if so, that's fine. I'm on other mailing lists so I'll just share 
my contributions and opinions with those lists because they actually care 
what I have to say. And my other point is simple. Cara made a really good 
point. I think some of us have forgotten where the delete key is on the 
computer. So rather than pressi

iTerm?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi,

Anyone here have any experience of iTerm?  I’m wondering if it might be any 
more responsive than Terminal, or any more prone to ease of VoiceOver access, 
especially for automatically reading output and stopping navigation at window 
boundaries.  The rest of the features look interesting, but I’m reluctant to 
replace Terminal unless these issues are much improved on.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: a new macvisionaries list

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I didn't say Mailman natively could be done from the CLI.  You're correct, 
you do have to use other packages as well in combination to make this 
approach work, but it is! possible to do.  It's honestly probably more 
trouble than it's worth, but there you have it, in a nutshell.  I do 
acknowledge your concerns initially though.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: a new macvisionaries list


You must be talking about a different Mailman, as on my site I get:
No manual entry for mailman

Mailman 2.x, at least, stores its data in Python pickles, not SQL databases. 
Although I know about a third-party command-line tool (called mailmanadmin) 
which does most moderation from the shell or cron, it’s still not as 
beauteous as the Ecartis approach of copy-pasting moderation commands into 
an email message and sending them off; you still need to connect to the 
remote machine and run the tool.  Perhaps Mailman 3.x is different, but it’s 
still under development, so not for me.


Anyway, to keep this relevant, Mailman is how this list started.  Perhaps it 
would be a better place for it to end up.  OS X can handle Mailman’s 
interface quite nicely using Safari and VoiceOver.


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Neospeech?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Maybe a dumb  question, but neither Neospeech Kate nor Paul have been ported 
over to the mac, have they?

Chris.

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