Mail and spell check

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

All,

I had my built inn Mail program set to auto spell check when I pressed send, 
this has worked floorlessly for years.

When updating to the latest itteration of OSx this has now stopped working, 
when pressing send my messages just fly out the door having not been checked, 
sometimes I do hear Voice Over announce the spelling dialgue box, but, this 
does not interact with the box, and, the message disappears out of the machine.

I have tried checking the setting, it is still set to check when pressing send, 
I have toggled it to see if that shall fix it, no luck.

Is this being experiened by other users, or, not?

Is it Voice Over or OSx in the mainstream to!

Any input welcomed.
Neil Barnfather MBE
www.neilbarnfather.com
Business Consultant & Disability Advocate

Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a selection 
of business consultancy functions to a complete series of disability advocacy 
roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most successful disabled 
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Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri

[Jessica Moss]

Does that even work wirelessly now?  I thought they had to be plugged into a 
power source for that feature to work.
On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:50 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

> Not sure what's amusing about it.  I only asked a legitimate question.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Kawal Gucukoglu
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 4:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri
> 
> I think it funny Chris. All of your devices not knowing if you have their 
> attention!
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 18 Oct 2015, at 9:28 a.m., Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Guys,
>>  
>> First of all, I'm not about to get into a philosophical debate with any of 
>> you either on nor off list about the privacy concerns of this, so don't even 
>> start!  I however have been doing some kind a random thinking this morning.  
>> You see?  That's what happens when I'm real tired, and need sleep... or...  
>> coffee.  LOL!  Anyway, here's my point.
>>  
>> I have several I O S devices ranging from an IPhone 5S all the way up to an 
>> IPhone 6S, as well as an IPad Air first gen.  Call me weird, as I know some 
>> of you will, but I do like using "Hey Siri."  So, what happens, if multiple 
>> devices are in the same room, and you say, "Hey Siri!"  Will all of 'em go 
>> nuts on me?  That could get really scarey!  LOL! 
>>  
>> In all Seriousness though, is there a way to tell I O S which device should 
>> take
>>  precedents over another?
>> 
>>  
>> I'm thinking this may be a good one for
>> 
>>  
>> http://www.apple.com/feedback
>> 
>>  
>> I'm thinking something like an ability within the Siri settings to actually 
>> specify what key word needs to be said.  Whether that be a customized typed 
>> key phraise, or a list of a couple predefined choices.  This way, I could 
>> set one device to one trigger, and the  others to another.  This way they'd 
>> not get themselves confused.
>> 
>>  
>> What do you all think?
>> 
>>  
>> Chris.
>> 
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Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

The new iPhones are capable of doing it wirelessly now.

Nicolai

On 10/19/2015 8:03 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
Does that even work wirelessly now?  I thought they had to be plugged 
into a power source for that feature to work.
On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:50 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> wrote:



Not sure what's amusing about it.  I only asked a legitimate question.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:*Kawal Gucukoglu 
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:*Sunday, October 18, 2015 4:48 AM
*Subject:*Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri

I think it funny Chris. All of your devices not knowing if you
have their attention!

Kawal.

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Oct 2015, at 9:28 a.m., Christopher-Mark Gilland
> wrote:


Guys,
First of all, I'm not about to get into a philosophical debate
with any of you either on nor off list about the privacy
concerns of this, so don't even start!  I however have been
doing some kind a random thinking this morning.  You see? 
That's what happens when I'm real tired, and need sleep...

or...  coffee.  LOL! Anyway, here's my point.
I have several I O S devices ranging from an IPhone 5S all the
way up to an IPhone 6S, as well as an IPad Air first gen. Call
me weird, as I know some of you will, but I do like using "Hey
Siri."  So, what happens, if multiple devices are in the same
room, and you say, "Hey Siri!"  Will all of 'em go nuts on me? 
That could get really scarey!  LOL!

In all Seriousness though, is there a way to tell I O S which
device should take

 precedents over another?


I'm thinking this may be a good one for


http://www.apple.com/feedback


I'm thinking something like an ability within the Siri settings
to actually specify what key word needs to be said.  Whether
that be a customized typed key phraise, or a list of a couple
predefined choices.  This way, I could set one device to one
trigger, and the  others to another.  This way they'd not get
themselves confused.


What do you all think?


Chris.


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Re: Pages: inability to select text across page boundaries fixed

[Jamie Pauls]

Good to know. Thanks. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2015, at 11:59 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jamie,
> 
> We’ve been able to read page by page using the VO Page Down or Page Up 
> commands for quite some time.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 18 Oct 2015, at 21:19, Jamie Pauls  wrote:
>> 
>> Yesterday, I 'discovered that VOPage Down moves forward by pages through a 
>> document, and VO-Page Up moves backward a page at a time. I don't know if 
>> this has always been the case, or if this command was added with the latest 
>> update to pages. Just thought I'd throw it out there for discussion.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> The really horrible bug in Pages that prevented the selection of text 
>>> across page boundaries is now fixed! I’m sure this will be a relief to a 
>>> lot of people.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
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Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

[Brian Fischler]

Chris,

After two days since the debacle of a clean install going back to Yosemite from 
Capitan, and doing a time machine revert after the clean install debacle, I am 
very happy to say everything is running great again in Yosemite. I guess moral 
or the story is before upgrading or downgrading make sure you have those time 
machine back ups as not even Apple Accessibility seems to have experienced what 
I did, but thankfully Time Machine saved the day. Now the fun of having to deal 
with hearing embedded embedded back in mail again. Will wait until the next 
upgrade of Capitan drops see what the word is regarding accessibility and then 
decide if it is time to reupgrade.
> On Oct 18, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist) 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m on the official release, with all latest updates.
> 
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> 
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I am curious then, as some are experiencing and some are not.
>>  
>> Is quick nav turned on for those of you who are trying to edit, and can't 
>> within Safari?  If so, then what about single letter navigation.  Is that 
>> turned on as well?
>>  
>> Finally, Are those of you who are not having issues on the official release, 
>> or are you all runnikng private or public betas.  I'm not asking you to say 
>> much due to NDA, but at least tell me that much.  I'm just trying to 
>> pinpoint down where the difference may be occurring within multi 
>> configuration environments.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Krister Ekstrom 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 1:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?
>>> 
>>> Hi, same here, editing commands work well here.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 18 okt. 2015 kl. 18:54 skrev Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist) 
 >:
 
 I’m not sure why editing commands wouldn’t work for anyone. They are 
 working perfectly fine for me. Just tested it.
 
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> On Oct 18, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> > wrote:
> 
> Wo!  Those commands like option+left and right, command+left and right, 
> etc. were brought over from Unix/Linux?  Now how cool is that!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Phil Halton"  >
> To:  >
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?
> 
> 
> As to text editing and edit fields on Safari, I can verify that I can no 
> longer use the basic UNIX text movement in navigation and editing 
> commands in edit fields. Under the prior OS I could at the very least use 
> option left right up-and-down arrows to move around text fields. This is 
> no longer the case.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 12:26 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I need a little clarification.  Am I understanding correctly that you're 
>> stating that within a text area in Safari, one cannot properly edit text 
>> which they have previously entered?  OK, that's a dealbreaker for me, if 
>> so.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 
>> >
>> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" > >
>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 12:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?
>> 
>> 
>> The two big ones that I think constitute annoying but non-critical 
>> blockers are the broken editing of text in edit fields on Safari and the 
>> continued non-responsiveness while moving

Re: What have they done to placeholder text in the new Pages?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Daniela,

I tried opening one of the templates provided by Apple and the placeholder text 
was not being selected correctly in that. Also, the Date field wasn’t selected 
either. When I inserted a Date field into a new document, I couldn’t select it 
by the usual means, either.

I think this is likely to be a problem for sighted users too, so we might see 
it fixed rather more quickly than something that only affects VoiceOver users.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 19 Oct 2015, at 11:33, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> I notice something very strange about it.
> When the template is new, this is, if you create that Placeholder, it gets 
> selected like always, the same happens with date and time. But with old 
> templates, it doesn’t work. At least, this is what I discovered in my 
> computer.
> I found out this yesterday and I made a report on it, because they are really 
> trying to make things better, but they somehow fix 2 things and mess other 2 
> … Well, hope they fix it very soon!
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> El 19/10/2015, a las 11:25, Anne Robertson > > escribió:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> Something horrible has happened to placeholder text in the new Pages. It 
>> doesn’t get selected automatically when navigating with the arrow keys. You 
>> have to select it using the Shift key. What is the point of placeholder text 
>> when it behaves like this?
>> They’ve also messed up in the same way with Date fields.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
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What have they done to placeholder text in the new Pages?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello everyone,

Something horrible has happened to placeholder text in the new Pages. It 
doesn’t get selected automatically when navigating with the arrow keys. You 
have to select it using the Shift key. What is the point of placeholder text 
when it behaves like this?
They’ve also messed up in the same way with Date fields.

Cheers,

Anne


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Re: What have they done to placeholder text in the new Pages?

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello!
I notice something very strange about it.
When the template is new, this is, if you create that Placeholder, it gets 
selected like always, the same happens with date and time. But with old 
templates, it doesn’t work. At least, this is what I discovered in my computer.
I found out this yesterday and I made a report on it, because they are really 
trying to make things better, but they somehow fix 2 things and mess other 2 … 
Well, hope they fix it very soon!

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507





> El 19/10/2015, a las 11:25, Anne Robertson  escribió:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Something horrible has happened to placeholder text in the new Pages. It 
> doesn’t get selected automatically when navigating with the arrow keys. You 
> have to select it using the Shift key. What is the point of placeholder text 
> when it behaves like this?
> They’ve also messed up in the same way with Date fields.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
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Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Brian,

You can stop VO saying Embedded by setting When encountering a link/attachment 
to Do Nothing. It’s in VoiceOver Utility/Verbosity/Text.

Cheers,

Anne
:

> On 19 Oct 2015, at 14:30, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> After two days since the debacle of a clean install going back to Yosemite 
> from Capitan, and doing a time machine revert after the clean install 
> debacle, I am very happy to say everything is running great again in 
> Yosemite. I guess moral or the story is before upgrading or downgrading make 
> sure you have those time machine back ups as not even Apple Accessibility 
> seems to have experienced what I did, but thankfully Time Machine saved the 
> day. Now the fun of having to deal with hearing embedded embedded back in 
> mail again. Will wait until the next upgrade of Capitan drops see what the 
> word is regarding accessibility and then decide if it is time to reupgrade.

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Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Correction...

The wireless ability is exclusive to the 6S, and 6S+.  You can do hey Siri as 
far back as an IPhone 5.  Not even a 5S.  Trust me, I know.  I have a friend 
who has the original 5, with I O S 9, and he can do it.  He just can't do it 
wirelessly.

Chris.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sadam Ahmed 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 11:17 AM
  Subject: Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri


  That is correct Chris. 

  Hey Siri is exclusive to the  6s and 6s plus. 


  Yours truly, 



  Sadam Ahmed 


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  On 20 Oct 2015, at 2:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Apparently it only works wirelessly if you have a 6S, or 6S+, but I could 
be wrong on that.  Can someone else please confirm?

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jessica Moss 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:03 AM
  Subject: Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri


  Does that even work wirelessly now?  I thought they had to be plugged 
into a power source for that feature to work.

  On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:50 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Not sure what's amusing about it.  I only asked a legitimate question.

Chris.

  - Original Message -
  From: Kawal Gucukoglu
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 4:48 AM
  Subject: Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri


  I think it funny Chris. All of your devices not knowing if you have 
their attention!


  Kawal.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On 18 Oct 2015, at 9:28 a.m., Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Guys,

First of all, I'm not about to get into a philosophical debate with 
any of you either on nor off list about the privacy concerns of this, so don't 
even start!  I however have been doing some kind a random thinking this 
morning.  You see?  That's what happens when I'm real tired, and need sleep... 
or...  coffee.  LOL!  Anyway, here's my point.

I have several I O S devices ranging from an IPhone 5S all the way 
up to an IPhone 6S, as well as an IPad Air first gen.  Call me weird, as I know 
some of you will, but I do like using "Hey Siri."  So, what happens, if 
multiple devices are in the same room, and you say, "Hey Siri!"  Will all of 
'em go nuts on me?  That could get really scarey!  LOL! 

In all Seriousness though, is there a way to tell I O S which 
device should take
 precedents over another?


 
I'm thinking this may be a good one for


 
http://www.apple.com/feedback


 
I'm thinking something like an ability within the Siri settings to 
actually specify what key word needs to be said.  Whether that be a customized 
typed key phraise, or a list of a couple predefined choices.  This way, I could 
set one device to one trigger, and the  others to another.  This way they'd not 
get themselves confused.


 
What do you all think?


 
Chris.



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RE: Something to ponder regarding Siri

[george b]

Correction to your correction.

 

The 5 and 5s will work wireless, but they have to be plugged into power to 
work, and then in the 6 and 6s series of phones it does not have to be plugged 
into power because the restructor of the processor, battery life, etc. 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 08:20
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri

 

Correction...

 

The wireless ability is exclusive to the 6S, and 6S+.  You can do hey Siri as 
far back as an IPhone 5.  Not even a 5S.  Trust me, I know.  I have a friend 
who has the original 5, with I O S 9, and he can do it.  He just can't do it 
wirelessly.

 

Chris.

- Original Message - 

From: Sadam Ahmed   

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 11:17 AM

Subject: Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri

 

That is correct Chris. 

Hey Siri is exclusive to the  6s and 6s plus. 

 

Yours truly, 

 

Sadam Ahmed 

 

Sent from my iPhone 

 

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On 20 Oct 2015, at 2:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:

Apparently it only works wirelessly if you have a 6S, or 6S+, but I could be 
wrong on that.  Can someone else please confirm?

 

Chris.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Jessica Moss   

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:03 AM

Subject: Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri

 

Does that even work wirelessly now?  I thought they had to be plugged into a 
power source for that feature to work.

On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:50 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:





Not sure what's amusing about it.  I only asked a legitimate question.

 

Chris.

 

- Original Message -

From: Kawal Gucukoglu  

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  

Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 4:48 AM

Subject: Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri

 

I think it funny Chris. All of your devices not knowing if you have their 
attention!

 

Kawal.

Sent from my iPhone


On 18 Oct 2015, at 9:28 a.m., Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:

Guys,

 

First of all, I'm not about to get into a philosophical debate with any of you 
either on nor off list about the privacy concerns of this, so don't even start! 
 I however have been doing some kind a random thinking this morning.  You see?  
That's what happens when I'm real tired, and need sleep... or...  coffee.  LOL! 
 Anyway, here's my point.

 

I have several I O S devices ranging from an IPhone 5S all the way up to an 
IPhone 6S, as well as an IPad Air first gen.  Call me weird, as I know some of 
you will, but I do like using "Hey Siri."  So, what happens, if multiple 
devices are in the same room, and you say, "Hey Siri!"  Will all of 'em go nuts 
on me?  That could get really scarey!  LOL! 

 

In all Seriousness though, is there a way to tell I O S which device should take

 precedents over another?


 

I'm thinking this may be a good one for


 

http://www.apple.com/feedback


 

I'm thinking something like an ability within the Siri settings to actually 
specify what key word needs to be said.  Whether that be a customized typed key 
phraise, or a list of a couple predefined choices.  This way, I could set one 
device to one trigger, and the  others to another.  This way they'd not get 
themselves confused.


 

What do you all think?


 

Chris.

 

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Re: Pages: inability to select text across page boundaries fixed

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hello Anne,

yes, I was happy for this as well. Here’s the but: The old bug apears still if 
I insert a page boundary manually from the insert menue. 
Could you try it out if this is the same for you?

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen

> Am 18.10.2015 um 16:36 schrieb Anne Robertson :
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> The really horrible bug in Pages that prevented the selection of text across 
> page boundaries is now fixed! I’m sure this will be a relief to a lot of 
> people.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
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Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Apparently it only works wirelessly if you have a 6S, or 6S+, but I could be 
wrong on that.  Can someone else please confirm?

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jessica Moss 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:03 AM
  Subject: Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri


  Does that even work wirelessly now?  I thought they had to be plugged into a 
power source for that feature to work.

  On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:50 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Not sure what's amusing about it.  I only asked a legitimate question.

Chris.

  - Original Message -
  From: Kawal Gucukoglu
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 4:48 AM
  Subject: Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri


  I think it funny Chris. All of your devices not knowing if you have their 
attention!


  Kawal.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On 18 Oct 2015, at 9:28 a.m., Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Guys,

First of all, I'm not about to get into a philosophical debate with any 
of you either on nor off list about the privacy concerns of this, so don't even 
start!  I however have been doing some kind a random thinking this morning.  
You see?  That's what happens when I'm real tired, and need sleep... or...  
coffee.  LOL!  Anyway, here's my point.

I have several I O S devices ranging from an IPhone 5S all the way up 
to an IPhone 6S, as well as an IPad Air first gen.  Call me weird, as I know 
some of you will, but I do like using "Hey Siri."  So, what happens, if 
multiple devices are in the same room, and you say, "Hey Siri!"  Will all of 
'em go nuts on me?  That could get really scarey!  LOL! 

In all Seriousness though, is there a way to tell I O S which device 
should take
 precedents over another?



I'm thinking this may be a good one for



http://www.apple.com/feedback



I'm thinking something like an ability within the Siri settings to 
actually specify what key word needs to be said.  Whether that be a customized 
typed key phraise, or a list of a couple predefined choices.  This way, I could 
set one device to one trigger, and the  others to another.  This way they'd not 
get themselves confused.



What do you all think?



Chris.



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Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri

[Sadam Ahmed]

That is correct Chris. 

Hey Siri is exclusive to the  6s and 6s plus. 

Yours truly, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Sent from my iPhone 

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> wrote:
> 
> Apparently it only works wirelessly if you have a 6S, or 6S+, but I could be 
> wrong on that.  Can someone else please confirm?
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Jessica Moss
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri
> 
> Does that even work wirelessly now?  I thought they had to be plugged into a 
> power source for that feature to work.
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 4:50 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure what's amusing about it.  I only asked a legitimate question.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Kawal Gucukoglu
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 4:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: Something to ponder regarding Siri
>> 
>> I think it funny Chris. All of your devices not knowing if you have their 
>> attention!
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 18 Oct 2015, at 9:28 a.m., Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>>  
>>> First of all, I'm not about to get into a philosophical debate with any of 
>>> you either on nor off list about the privacy concerns of this, so don't 
>>> even start!  I however have been doing some kind a random thinking this 
>>> morning.  You see?  That's what happens when I'm real tired, and need 
>>> sleep... or...  coffee.  LOL!  Anyway, here's my point.
>>>  
>>> I have several I O S devices ranging from an IPhone 5S all the way up to an 
>>> IPhone 6S, as well as an IPad Air first gen.  Call me weird, as I know some 
>>> of you will, but I do like using "Hey Siri."  So, what happens, if multiple 
>>> devices are in the same room, and you say, "Hey Siri!"  Will all of 'em go 
>>> nuts on me?  That could get really scarey!  LOL! 
>>>  
>>> In all Seriousness though, is there a way to tell I O S which device should 
>>> take
>>>  precedents over another?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I'm thinking this may be a good one for
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> http://www.apple.com/feedback
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I'm thinking something like an ability within the Siri settings to actually 
>>> specify what key word needs to be said.  Whether that be a customized typed 
>>> key phraise, or a list of a couple predefined choices.  This way, I could 
>>> set one device to one trigger, and the  others to another.  This way they'd 
>>> not get themselves confused.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> What do you all think?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Pages: inability to select text across page boundaries fixed

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jürgen,

Good catch! You’re absolutely right. So the key bindings thing isn’t wasted 
after all.

I was amused to read on a forum somewhere that someone was reminiscing about 
the days when Apple software was bug-free. I think that time was in that 
person’s dreams. I certainly don’t remember it and I’ve had Macs for 19 years. 
And long before that, I used to program the Apple ii in hexadecimal! There were 
bugs back then, too.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 19 Oct 2015, at 16:55, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hello Anne,
> 
> yes, I was happy for this as well. Here’s the but: The old bug apears still 
> if I insert a page boundary manually from the insert menue. 
> Could you try it out if this is the same for you?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
> 
>> Am 18.10.2015 um 16:36 schrieb Anne Robertson :
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> The really horrible bug in Pages that prevented the selection of text across 
>> page boundaries is now fixed! I’m sure this will be a relief to a lot of 
>> people.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
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Re: Charts in Pages

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Anne,

> 
> Access to the Styles table doesn’t seem to have changed. You still have to 
> bring the mouse, press VO-Cmd-j and interact to find the menu button. After 
> that, everything works fine.
> 
I did this, found the unlabled button but couldn’t open it. A mouse click 
didn’t seem to work, VO + Space neither. How can I open this Menue?

All the best
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Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

[Brian Fischler]

Hi Anne, Thanks for that, just changed it. This will be nice.
> On Oct 19, 2015, at 9:32 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Brian,
> 
> You can stop VO saying Embedded by setting When encountering a 
> link/attachment to Do Nothing. It’s in VoiceOver Utility/Verbosity/Text.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> :
> 
>> On 19 Oct 2015, at 14:30, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> After two days since the debacle of a clean install going back to Yosemite 
>> from Capitan, and doing a time machine revert after the clean install 
>> debacle, I am very happy to say everything is running great again in 
>> Yosemite. I guess moral or the story is before upgrading or downgrading make 
>> sure you have those time machine back ups as not even Apple Accessibility 
>> seems to have experienced what I did, but thankfully Time Machine saved the 
>> day. Now the fun of having to deal with hearing embedded embedded back in 
>> mail again. Will wait until the next upgrade of Capitan drops see what the 
>> word is regarding accessibility and then decide if it is time to reupgrade.
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Re: Pages: inability to select text across page boundaries fixed

[Jürgen Fleger]

Wow, for 19 years. Probably software is never bug free. But I’d wish Apple 
responded quicker to remove found bugs.
But anyway, I love my Macs. :-)
All the best
Jürgen

> Am 19.10.2015 um 17:31 schrieb Anne Robertson :
> 
> Hello Jürgen,
> 
> Good catch! You’re absolutely right. So the key bindings thing isn’t wasted 
> after all.
> 
> I was amused to read on a forum somewhere that someone was reminiscing about 
> the days when Apple software was bug-free. I think that time was in that 
> person’s dreams. I certainly don’t remember it and I’ve had Macs for 19 
> years. And long before that, I used to program the Apple ii in hexadecimal! 
> There were bugs back then, too.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 19 Oct 2015, at 16:55, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Anne,
>> 
>> yes, I was happy for this as well. Here’s the but: The old bug apears still 
>> if I insert a page boundary manually from the insert menue. 
>> Could you try it out if this is the same for you?
>> 
>> Thanks and all the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>>> Am 18.10.2015 um 16:36 schrieb Anne Robertson :
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> The really horrible bug in Pages that prevented the selection of text 
>>> across page boundaries is now fixed! I’m sure this will be a relief to a 
>>> lot of people.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
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Files Question.

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hi, 

I had my Mac Book restored to Yosemity last week.  I’ve recopied my files back 
onto the computer, but have a question about the files I copied over from a USB 
drive.  

I copied 3 folders from my  Windows 8 computer.  The files are a combination of 
.DOC (MS Word) .TXT & .PDF files.  They are in the folders on the Mac.  
However, before I get to the file names I recognize, I have a series of files 
that all seem to begin with ~$ then the file name.  Some say they are MS Word 
docs, but others indicate they are Unixe executable files.  I have no idea why 
they are there or where they came from.  Can anyone please explain what they 
are, why they are there and can I delete them from the folders?  Below the list 
of all the ones that start with ~$ is the real file list of names I am able to 
open in Text Edit and read.

Thanks for any input.

Eileen 

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Re: Moving my lonch pad back to the doc

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

go to the file you want to put on the dock then press control command T
> Il giorno 19 ott 2015, alle ore 9:02 PM, Kim Crawford  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> Is there a way with voiceover I can move my launchpad back from my desktop to 
> the doc 
> Thank you all for your time have a great day 
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Re: Files Question.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Oct 19, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I had my Mac Book restored to Yosemity last week.  I’ve recopied my files 
> back onto the computer, but have a question about the files I copied over 
> from a USB drive. 
>  
> I copied 3 folders from my  Windows 8 computer.  The files are a combination 
> of .DOC (MS Word) .TXT & .PDF files.  They are in the folders on the Mac.  
> However, before I get to the file names I recognize, I have a series of files 
> that all seem to begin with ~$ then the file name.  Some say they are MS Word 
> docs, but others indicate they are Unixe executable files.  I have no idea 
> why they are there or where they came from.  Can anyone please explain what 
> they are, why they are there and can I delete them from the folders?  Below 
> the list of all the ones that start with ~$ is the real file list of names I 
> am able to open in Text Edit and read.
>  
> Thanks for any input.
>  
> Eileen
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> hello,
These contain metadata like tags and access list and default application to 
open the file. They should be safe to delete if they appear on your mac hfs 
disk partition though copying the files back to the mac should have 
reincorporated these with the regular files. I would be more concered about 
iphoto or iTunes files if they lose this information. 

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Bootcamp problem

[E.T.]

   Yesterday I installed and ran Paragon Bootcamp Backup. All went well.

   Now tho, I am unable to boot into Bootcamp. In Yosemite, Disk 
Utilities, things look ok and I ran Repair Disk. No change.


   I configured Paragon to save the backups to an external drive. In 
Yosemite, disk info indicates this did in fact happen.


   How to fix this? I do not see how Paragon could have done anything 
to Bootcamp. Thanks.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

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Moving my lonch pad back to the doc

[Kim Crawford]

Is there a way with voiceover I can move my launchpad back from my desktop to 
the doc 
Thank you all for your time have a great day 

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iStat Menu or Alternative to Hardware Monitoring

[Emilio Hernandez]

Hello everyone,

As the subject line indicates, I am in search of a program that is accessible 
with voiceover.
I am wanting to monitor my internal computer temperature as well as fan speed, 
and other general care items such a program could provide.
What are some suggestions others have founded useful for monitoring an iMac?


Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

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Re: Pages: inability to select text across page boundaries fixed

[Singing Sparrow]

From what apple told me that all the features a person seems to be 
missing from pages 09 are still all there but from what they told me 
they are in different places with in the menus.


On 10/19/2015 10:31 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Jürgen,

Good catch! You’re absolutely right. So the key bindings thing isn’t wasted 
after all.

I was amused to read on a forum somewhere that someone was reminiscing about 
the days when Apple software was bug-free. I think that time was in that 
person’s dreams. I certainly don’t remember it and I’ve had Macs for 19 years. 
And long before that, I used to program the Apple ii in hexadecimal! There were 
bugs back then, too.

Cheers,

Anne



On 19 Oct 2015, at 16:55, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

Hello Anne,

yes, I was happy for this as well. Here’s the but: The old bug apears still if 
I insert a page boundary manually from the insert menue.
Could you try it out if this is the same for you?

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen


Am 18.10.2015 um 16:36 schrieb Anne Robertson :

Hello everyone,

The really horrible bug in Pages that prevented the selection of text across 
page boundaries is now fixed! I’m sure this will be a relief to a lot of people.

Cheers,

Anne


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Re: Files Question.

[Eileen Scrivani]

Although I have not inspected them for a one-to-one correspondence (there are 
too many of them), they all appear to be in the folder with the standard file 
type.   I have not brought my Itunes stuff over to the Mac since I am still 
leary of it.  

I normally connect my phone to my Windows computer. 

Eileen

From: Jonathan C. Cohn 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 5:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Files Question.





Jonathan Cohn 

On Oct 19, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:


  Hi, 

  I had my Mac Book restored to Yosemity last week.  I’ve recopied my files 
back onto the computer, but have a question about the files I copied over from 
a USB drive.  

  I copied 3 folders from my  Windows 8 computer.  The files are a combination 
of .DOC (MS Word) .TXT & .PDF files.  They are in the folders on the Mac.  
However, before I get to the file names I recognize, I have a series of files 
that all seem to begin with ~$ then the file name.  Some say they are MS Word 
docs, but others indicate they are Unixe executable files.  I have no idea why 
they are there or where they came from.  Can anyone please explain what they 
are, why they are there and can I delete them from the folders?  Below the list 
of all the ones that start with ~$ is the real file list of names I am able to 
open in Text Edit and read.

  Thanks for any input.

  Eileen 

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  hello,
These contain metadata like tags and access list and default application to 
open the file. They should be safe to delete if they appear on your mac hfs 
disk partition though copying the files back to the mac should have 
reincorporated these with the regular files. I would be more concered about 
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Re: Files Question.

[Eileen Scrivani]

I’ve never seen them on my windows computer which is where I use MS Word.  I 
don’t have Word or Office on the Mac and think I’d only ever invest in getting 
it if & when the Mac gives me the ability to do Braille work /reading .BRF 
files. 

Thank you for the explanation. 

Eileen 

From: David Griffith 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 6:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Files Question.

The files beginning with ~ are typically temprary Word or Office files which 
are created when you open an MS Word document in Word for editing. Normally 
these files are deleted when you close a document or shut down Word. However if 
you for any reason shut down your computer without closing Word or if your 
computer crashes then these files remain on your disk. Word can use them on 
Windows for document recovery. I do not believe that similar document recovery 
is possible if they are simply ported across to the Mac.

David Griffith
 

On 19/10/2015 23:00, Eileen Scrivani wrote:

  Although I have not inspected them for a one-to-one correspondence (there are 
too many of them), they all appear to be in the folder with the standard file 
type.   I have not brought my Itunes stuff over to the Mac since I am still 
leary of it.  

  I normally connect my phone to my Windows computer. 

  Eileen

  From: Jonathan C. Cohn 
  Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 5:42 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Files Question.





  Jonathan Cohn 

  On Oct 19, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:


Hi, 

I had my Mac Book restored to Yosemity last week.  I’ve recopied my files 
back onto the computer, but have a question about the files I copied over from 
a USB drive.  

I copied 3 folders from my  Windows 8 computer.  The files are a 
combination of .DOC (MS Word) .TXT & .PDF files.  They are in the folders on 
the Mac.  However, before I get to the file names I recognize, I have a series 
of files that all seem to begin with ~$ then the file name.  Some say they are 
MS Word docs, but others indicate they are Unixe executable files.  I have no 
idea why they are there or where they came from.  Can anyone please explain 
what they are, why they are there and can I delete them from the folders?  
Below the list of all the ones that start with ~$ is the real file list of 
names I am able to open in Text Edit and read.

Thanks for any input.

Eileen 

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hello,
  These contain metadata like tags and access list and default application to 
open the file. They should be safe to delete if they appear on your mac hfs 
disk partition though copying the files back to the mac should have 
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Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

They had several openings last time I heard. But they require that you know 
braille. Which I don't.


Jonathan Cohn 

> On Oct 16, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> They should really hire a blind software engineer. I think that's about the 
> only way we'll get any progress.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:20 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guy,
>> 
>> Thanks so much for pointing out this is why it is great to wait to the next 
>> version of an operating system comes out. Wow, what a original novice 
>> concept that has never ever been pointed out on this list. 
>> 
>> Ok, now that that is out of the way. I want to thank everyone who has posted 
>> about their issues with safari in El Capitan the IOS 8 for VO users on the 
>> mac. Holy cow, Apple what a crap operating system. Thankfully I will be 
>> rolling back this weekend. Just need to do some more backups. Seriously, I 
>> love Apple, but you got to call them out when they shit the bed and El 
>> Capitan is just that. Apple claimed IOS 9 and El Capitan were going to be 
>> focused on Quality Control instead of fancy new things. Well, how can Apple 
>> expect any VO user that they seriously test VO when safari on a lot of 
>> websites is absolutely unusable. It is great that VO seems to be much 
>> snappier but with it constantly crashing and turning on and off it is 
>> unusable, and I am finding the same issue in chrome on the same websites so 
>> it is definitely VO.
>> 
>> Another issue which I have not seen posted is how VO just does not read 
>> things. For example go through your contact list in contacts and you will 
>> constantly have to go back up to a previous contact and then back down again 
>> to get VO to read it. These two issues alone are so severe that Apple should 
>> fire anyone doing Quality Control for VO or they just do not care about the 
>> quality of it. Very disappointed in Apple again.
>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is why it’s always best to wait until at least the first, and 
>>> sometimes the second major update before installing a new version of the 
>>> operating system, let the major bugs get worked out first.
 On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
 
 This is why I have Rolled back  to Yosemite. 
 
 These are some of the worst bugs I've seen since I started using the Mac 
 back in 2010. 
 
 Won't be updating until a  update comes out to address these problems. 
 
 Yours truly, 
 
 Sadam Ahmed 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
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> On 16 Oct 2015, at 9:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is that with the official build, or is that with the private beta?  I 
> confess I really haven't tried doing anything with Safari over there 
> since I finally got successfully updated.  How are people getting around 
> this being that surfing the web is so heavily done now adays with 
> computers?  Are folks just using Crome instead?  What about Webkit?  Is 
> it any better?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Safari on 10.11 is pretty pathetic right now. It’s the worst experience 
> I’ve ever had while using OS X.
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> Just been using Safari as I went to the online RNIB library catalogue. 
>> Safari is terrible on that website and I wonder if Safari is broken?  
>> Once I sign in and browse for books either in braille or for Talking 
>> books, Safari won’t read the search results as it keeps saying dialogue. 
>>  Also I am going to try out Overdrive again in due course so I hope it’s 
>> been fixed with IOS9 as I had problems with it when I tried it on the I 
>> phone 6 Plus.  Now I am using the 6 Plus S wonder if it will improve.
>> 
>> I wish I could get rid of the favourites bar in safari and get it back 
>> to how it was when I was using it in Yosemite.  I apologise if I have 
>> misspelt the name wrong again but I try to spell it wright.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Files Question.

[David Griffith]

The files beginning with ~ are typically temprary Word or Office files 
which are created when you open an MS Word document in Word for editing. 
Normally these files are deleted when you close a document or shut down 
Word. However if you for any reason shut down your computer without 
closing Word or if your computer crashes then these files remain on your 
disk. Word can use them on Windows for document recovery. I do not 
believe that similar document recovery is possible if they are simply 
ported across to the Mac.


David Griffith


On 19/10/2015 23:00, Eileen Scrivani wrote:
Although I have not inspected them for a one-to-one correspondence 
(there are too many of them), they all appear to be in the folder with 
the standard file type.   I have not brought my Itunes stuff over to 
the Mac since I am still leary of it.

I normally connect my phone to my Windows computer.
Eileen
*From:* Jonathan C. Cohn 
*Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2015 5:42 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


*Subject:* Re: Files Question.



Jonathan Cohn

On Oct 19, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Eileen Scrivani > wrote:



Hi,
I had my Mac Book restored to Yosemity last week.  I’ve recopied my 
files back onto the computer, but have a question about the files I 
copied over from a USB drive.
I copied 3 folders from my  Windows 8 computer.  The files are a 
combination of .DOC (MS Word) .TXT & .PDF files.  They are in the 
folders on the Mac.  However, before I get to the file names I 
recognize, I have a series of files that all seem to begin with ~$ 
then the file name.  Some say they are MS Word docs, but others 
indicate they are Unixe executable files.  I have no idea why they 
are there or where they came from.  Can anyone please explain what 
they are, why they are there and can I delete them from the folders?  
Below the list of all the ones that start with ~$ is the real file 
list of names I am able to open in Text Edit and read.

Thanks for any input.
Eileen
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These contain metadata like tags and access list and default 
application to open the file. They should be safe to delete if they 
appear on your mac hfs disk partition though copying the files back to 
the mac should have reincorporated these with the regular files. I 
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Re: Charts in Pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jürgen,

Here’s how to access the contextual menu for a paragraph style.
• Navigate to the Styles table and interact.
• navigate to the style you want and bring the mouse.
• Press VO-Cmd-j and interact again.
• Navigate once right and you should be able to press VO-Space on the menu 
button.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 19 Oct 2015, at 17:59, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne,
> 
>> 
>> Access to the Styles table doesn’t seem to have changed. You still have to 
>> bring the mouse, press VO-Cmd-j and interact to find the menu button. After 
>> that, everything works fine.
>> 
> I did this, found the unlabled button but couldn’t open it. A mouse click 
> didn’t seem to work, VO + Space neither. How can I open this Menue?
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
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Re: Pages: inability to select text across page boundaries fixed

[Singing Sparrow]

If you install iwork 09 you will not only have that version of pages but 
you can also have the newer version on the same mac. I am pretty sure 
all features are in the newest version of pages but i will call back and 
ask about these if you like?


On 10/20/2015 12:27 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello,

Whoever you spoke to at Apple doesn’t know what they’re talking about. One 
crucial feature that’s missing is merge fields, the ability to import contact 
information from Contacts. This is one thing that is preventing my husband from 
upgrading from Mountain Lion and iWork09 as he depends on this feature for 
invoicing.

Cheers,

Anne



On 19 Oct 2015, at 21:23, Singing Sparrow  wrote:

 From what apple told me that all the features a person seems to be missing 
from pages 09 are still all there but from what they told me they are in 
different places with in the menus.



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Re: Pages: inability to select text across page boundaries fixed

[Anne Robertson]

Hello,

Whoever you spoke to at Apple doesn’t know what they’re talking about. One 
crucial feature that’s missing is merge fields, the ability to import contact 
information from Contacts. This is one thing that is preventing my husband from 
upgrading from Mountain Lion and iWork09 as he depends on this feature for 
invoicing.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 19 Oct 2015, at 21:23, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> From what apple told me that all the features a person seems to be missing 
> from pages 09 are still all there but from what they told me they are in 
> different places with in the menus.

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