Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I should clarify that my trouble with ibooks is on the mac not on my ipad or 
iPhone.  On my mac, iBooks gets constantly busy when I try to read.  There are 
buttons in the window that should allow you to move to next or previous page 
but they don't seem to do what they are supposed to.  That is if I manage to 
get out of the reading area.  And even if I do, Voiceover stops speaking and I 
don't know where I am.  Also, there is a page picker item in the window.  Once 
I put Voiceover cursor on it, and then press up and down arrow keys, Voiceover 
reports the numbers of the pages changing.  So I assume it's a page picker 
thing.  But when I get back to the text area to resume reading in a new 
location I have just chosen, I'm still in the old location.  And then the busy 
problem starts again.  I have installed El Capitan from scratch so it can't be 
the installation over the old system that's causing it.

I'm writing to the list about this to make sure it is not just me before I 
report it to Accessibility.

Andrew
> On 8 Nov 2015, at 22:26, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> iBooks is very annoying by nature, but it’s not nonfunctional—at least, not 
> by Apple’s present-day standards.  It sounds like you’re having a right time 
> of it, though, and there’s probably something wrong in your particular 
> installation.
> 
> At the very least, can you explore the main window and press on the “Get 
> Started” button?
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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Anne Robertson]

Adobe Digital Editions works for reading PDFs but you don’t have the same 
ability to read by character, word, line, etc. I use it for reading DRM 
protected books from Kobo since the Kobo application doesn’t work on Mac.
Kobo for iOS works pretty well except for turning pages to get to where you 
left off in a chapter. For that, you have to turn VoiceOver off and do a 
one-finger swipe left to turn a page.
It stops reading at the end of a chapter, at which point you double-tap on an 
item labelled iPad Scrubber Arrows to the right of Location in Book. It says 
iPad whether you read on an iPad or an iPhone.
For the Library, it has to be organised by title, as the list of books by 
author is not accessible.
I really need to write a user guide for Applevis. Oh yes, and Braille works 
fine with Kobo.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 8 Nov 2015, at 23:32, Blee Blat  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I have a few PDF's that I've just been using preview for. How is Adobe 
> Digital Editions different? And how is Kobo different than Kindle or iBooks. 
> I'm not a huge fan of Kindle because a lot of the books I'd like to read are 
> only on free sample.
> But iBooks on the phone is lovely if I could just get the app store to stop 
> signing in and out every reboot it'd be lovely too but restoring the phone 
> did not fix that but that's another thread it's only related to this one 
> because I had to click thrice to buy a book yesterday. :)
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Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

i have a news about the facebook apps having a battery issue on iPhone, so 
upgrade that too.
> Il giorno 09 nov 2015, alle ore 2:27 AM, Jeff Berwick 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> I have been experiencing this since I upgraded to IOS 9 and, it is 
> intermittent. 
>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I have not seen this although I have no vision so I would not know if my 
>> screen was awake or not.  However, my battery on my phone is lasting four 
>> days and that is letting the battery run out completely.  I am using an I 
>> phone 6 S Plus.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 8 Nov 2015, at 22:57, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I can confirm Daniels reply.
>>> No problems here.
>>> Wonder if its some hardware glitch or something?
>>> /A
 On 08 Nov 2015, at 05:43, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Weird, that didn’t happen on my 6 Plus or 6S Plus. Strange.
 
> On Nov 7, 2015, at 10:19 PM, Gabe Griffith  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I actually agree with Mark. I have had this happen on my iPhone 5C 
> running iOS 9.1.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> On Nov 7, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> I’m sorry to inform you, you’re 100% incorrect about this bug. If I have 
>> my messages or any type of alert set to show on the lock screen, my 
>> screen always wakes up, and goes to sleep at the appropriate time.
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 8:25 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I am cross-posting this to both the v iPhone and the Mac Visionaries 
>>> mailing
>>> list.
>>> 
>>> SUMMARY:
>>> One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
>>> multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is 
>>> enabled,
>>> receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
>>> display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered 
>>> this
>>> same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as 
>>> opposed
>>> to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text 
>>> message
>>> alerts, only.
>>> 
>>> This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
>>> upon the level of the screen brightness.
>>> 
>>> SCENARIO:
>>> 1.
>>> Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order 
>>> to
>>> quickly unlock the device.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain 
>>> you can
>>> see the messages in both your notification center and on the lock 
>>> screen.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Now lock the screen.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Receive a text message from someone.  
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> If the glitch happens, the screen will wake up, displaying a dialog box
>>> giving you the option to either close the alert or reply to the message.
>>> 
>>> CONCLUSION:
>>> Even when an alert is received, the display is supposed to remain off 
>>> until
>>> activated by the user.  However, on a very intermittent basis, the alert
>>> will wake up the screen and it will not go back to sleep until the 
>>> alert is
>>> dismissed.  I estimate that this happens once out of every 20 or so 
>>> alerts.
>>> However, when it happens, the battery will just sit there and drain as 
>>> the
>>> screen remains active until the alert is dismissed.  This also has the
>>> collateral affect of heating up the phone.  I have not attempted to
>>> reproduce this issue on any device not running VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> My solution to this is to switch the alert notifications to banners for 
>>> my
>>> most frequently used apps.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: Acapella TTS voices on Mac OS X

[Ray Foret Jr]

Victor, fear not.  I have them on my Mac and can assure you that they are quite 
nicely responsive.


!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Nov 8, 2015, at 8:13 PM, Vic  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> Does anyone here have any experience using Acapella voices with VoiceOver on 
> Mac OS? I would like to try them out but wanted to make sure I don't end up 
> with a subpar performance (I know their quality is quite good)
> 
> Thanks.
> Victor
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Re: update on voiceover issue.

[Jessica Moss]

Using Mavericks on my end so not sure if that will work.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2015, at 8:01 PM, Melanie Clouser  wrote:
> 
> Sounds exactly like the problem I’ve been having since doing updates. Going 
> to try the clean install of Yosemite. I had hoped to wait for Apple to 
> release an update to Yosemite before doing the upgrade but this problem has 
> me stumped. I only updated the app store updates. Not the Yosemite upgrade.
> 
> Melanie
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> That's just it I didn't upgrade anything, just installed latest updates 
>> through the App Store.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 3:50 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Jessica,
>>> 
>>> If you just did an update to Yosemite, you should try doing a clean install 
>>> of El Capitán. I’ve seen so much trouble with this update that I would 
>>> discourage anyone from doing a simple update rather than a clean install.
>>> 
>>> If you need instructions, I’ll post them.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 7 Nov 2015, at 00:26, Jessica Moss  wrote:
 
 Ok, I've managed to somewhat get everything working, after running a virus 
 scan, and it apparently finding nothing, and everything acting up.  
 something told me to try this, and I have no idea what, but if I press and 
 hold the escape key for about 2 seconds, everything fixes itself for about 
 a minutte or so, so I can scroll through stuff, and operate like normal, 
 then everything goes back to acting up again.  I have no idea what could 
 be causing this, and seems to be doing so much stuff that I don't know 
 what to do searches for to try to remmody it.
 
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Re: update on voiceover issue.

[Jessica Moss]

I know may have have typed it wrong, but followed procedure, and it did nothing.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> You didn't read the message very carefully. It requires command plus option 
> plus the letters are and P, not simply command RP. I have done this recently 
> and it works as advertised hold command option RP until you hear the chime 
> four times then release you'll hear the chime one more time as it reboots.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, I followed the instructions according to what you posted, and it all the 
>> computer did was simply restart itself.  I did command+r+p, altogether, then 
>> pressed the power button, with these held down, and it just restarted like 
>> normal, so have no idea what to make of it; then tried it pressing and 
>> holding the power button with all of them held down, and it restarted, then 
>> shut it self down, so not sure what to make of this, and is still acting up.
>>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Eileen,
>>> 
>>> I’ll post a separate message explaining how to do a clean install of El 
>>> Capitán with a subject line that says what it is.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 7 Nov 2015, at 21:57, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
 
 Hi Anne,
  
 I’m not Jessica, but I would not mind having clear cut instructions on how 
 to go about a clean install.  I have had my Mac Book Pro reset to Yosemite 
 and am very Leary about trying to re-install
 El Cap again.  Until subscribing to this list I never heard of a “clean 
 install” and it does sound rather daunting.  I’m not sure I want to go 
 back to El Capitan, but at some point in time I would think Apple will 
 release a better update that works properly with VO.
  
 Thanks,
  
 Eileen
  
  
 From: Anne Robertson
 Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 3:50 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: update on voiceover issue.
  
 Hello Jessica,
 
 If you just did an update to Yosemite, you should try doing a clean 
 install of El Capitan. I’ve seen so much trouble with this update that I 
 would discourage anyone from doing a simple update rather than a clean 
 install.
 
 If you need instructions, I’ll post them.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 > On 7 Nov 2015, at 00:26, Jessica Moss  wrote:
 > 
 > Ok, I've managed to somewhat get everything working, after running a 
 > virus scan, and it apparently finding nothing, and everything acting up. 
 >  something told me to try this, and I have no idea what, but if I press 
 > and hold the escape key for about 2 seconds, everything fixes itself for 
 > about a minutte or so, so I can scroll through stuff, and operate like 
 > normal, then everything goes back to  acting up again.  I have no idea 
 > what could be causing this, and seems to be doing so much stuff that I 
 > don't know what to do searches for to try to remmody it.
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Acapella TTS voices on Mac OS X

[Vic]

Hello.
Does anyone here have any experience using Acapella voices with VoiceOver 
on Mac OS? I would like to try them out but wanted to make sure I don't end 
up with a subpar performance (I know their quality is quite good)

Thanks.
Victor

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Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

[Jeff Berwick]

I have been experiencing this since I upgraded to IOS 9 and, it is 
intermittent. 
> On Nov 8, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I have not seen this although I have no vision so I would not know if my 
> screen was awake or not.  However, my battery on my phone is lasting four 
> days and that is letting the battery run out completely.  I am using an I 
> phone 6 S Plus.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 8 Nov 2015, at 22:57, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I can confirm Daniels reply.
>> No problems here.
>> Wonder if its some hardware glitch or something?
>> /A
>>> On 08 Nov 2015, at 05:43, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Weird, that didn’t happen on my 6 Plus or 6S Plus. Strange.
>>> 
 On Nov 7, 2015, at 10:19 PM, Gabe Griffith  
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I actually agree with Mark. I have had this happen on my iPhone 5C running 
 iOS 9.1.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Nov 7, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I’m sorry to inform you, you’re 100% incorrect about this bug. If I have 
> my messages or any type of alert set to show on the lock screen, my 
> screen always wakes up, and goes to sleep at the appropriate time.
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 8:25 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I am cross-posting this to both the v iPhone and the Mac Visionaries 
>> mailing
>> list.
>> 
>> SUMMARY:
>> One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
>> multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is 
>> enabled,
>> receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
>> display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered this
>> same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as 
>> opposed
>> to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text message
>> alerts, only.
>> 
>> This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
>> upon the level of the screen brightness.
>> 
>> SCENARIO:
>> 1.
>> Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order to
>> quickly unlock the device.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain you 
>> can
>> see the messages in both your notification center and on the lock screen.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Now lock the screen.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Receive a text message from someone.  
>> 
>> 5.
>> If the glitch happens, the screen will wake up, displaying a dialog box
>> giving you the option to either close the alert or reply to the message.
>> 
>> CONCLUSION:
>> Even when an alert is received, the display is supposed to remain off 
>> until
>> activated by the user.  However, on a very intermittent basis, the alert
>> will wake up the screen and it will not go back to sleep until the alert 
>> is
>> dismissed.  I estimate that this happens once out of every 20 or so 
>> alerts.
>> However, when it happens, the battery will just sit there and drain as 
>> the
>> screen remains active until the alert is dismissed.  This also has the
>> collateral affect of heating up the phone.  I have not attempted to
>> reproduce this issue on any device not running VoiceOver.
>> 
>> My solution to this is to switch the alert notifications to banners for 
>> my
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Re: update on voiceover issue.

[Melanie Clouser]

Sounds exactly like the problem I’ve been having since doing updates. Going to 
try the clean install of Yosemite. I had hoped to wait for Apple to release an 
update to Yosemite before doing the upgrade but this problem has me stumped. I 
only updated the app store updates. Not the Yosemite upgrade.

Melanie

> On Nov 7, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> That's just it I didn't upgrade anything, just installed latest updates 
> through the App Store.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 3:50 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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>> Hello Jessica,
>> 
>> If you just did an update to Yosemite, you should try doing a clean install 
>> of El Capitán. I’ve seen so much trouble with this update that I would 
>> discourage anyone from doing a simple update rather than a clean install.
>> 
>> If you need instructions, I’ll post them.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Nov 2015, at 00:26, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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>>> Ok, I've managed to somewhat get everything working, after running a virus 
>>> scan, and it apparently finding nothing, and everything acting up.  
>>> something told me to try this, and I have no idea what, but if I press and 
>>> hold the escape key for about 2 seconds, everything fixes itself for about 
>>> a minutte or so, so I can scroll through stuff, and operate like normal, 
>>> then everything goes back to acting up again.  I have no idea what could be 
>>> causing this, and seems to be doing so much stuff that I don't know what to 
>>> do searches for to try to remmody it.
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Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

[jeff `greene]

Hi, Thanks for all the good info about upgrading! Its just I started thinking I 
was missing out on some cool feature etc.
Thanks, Jeff
 
> On Nov 8, 2015, at 7:14 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
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> Hi, 
> 
> AppleVis has put together a list detailing the current issues. 
> 
> http://www.applevis.com/blog/mac-os-x-news/accessibility-bugs-os-x-1011-el-capitan-serious-minor
>  
> .
>  
> 
> Many of these problems persist even after the update pushed out most 
> recently. 
> 
> If you have a secondary Mac no problems go ahead with the installation. 
> 
> Otherwise just wait for these bugs to be sorted out. 
> 
> Yours truly, 
> 
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> 
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> On 9 Nov 2015, at 10:05 AM, Marianne Denning  > wrote:
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>> Can you explain some of these?
>> 
>> On 11/8/15, Sadam Ahmed > > wrote:
>>> Hi jeff,
>>> 
>>> My advice would be to stay put for now.
>>> 
>>> There are still many issues that haven't been resolved from a accessibility
>>> perspective.
>>> 
>>> Yours truly,
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> 
 On 9 Nov 2015, at 9:34 AM, jeff `greene >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi, Well when OS X 10.11 came out I upgraded and it wasn’t a good
 experience. Now I notice they are up to 10.11.1 do you think I should try
 it again? I’m running a 2012 15-inch macbook pro with 16gb of ram and an
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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Eileen Scrivani]

If you can access the table of contents, I believe you must choose the page 
from the TOC in El Capitan.  But, I forget how you get to the reading area.  
Before I went back to Yosemite, if I remember correctly, it would always skip 
back to a previous page where I had a book mark set.  

HTH.

Eileen


From: Andrew Lamanche 
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 12:35 PM
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Subject: ibooks is driving me crazy

Hi,

I don't seem to be able to work out anything in ibooks under El Capitan.

I can't open any menus, I can't find preferences, I don't seem to be able to 
read books or change pages in a book, please help!  This is desperate.  I feel 
so helpless.  Ibooks gets busy very often when I land on the reading area which 
it doesn't report anyway.  How do I go from page to page if I want to skip 
pages, or chapter to chapter?

Many thanks, in frustration

Andrew

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Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

[Sadam Ahmed]

Hi, 

AppleVis has put together a list detailing the current issues. 

http://www.applevis.com/blog/mac-os-x-news/accessibility-bugs-os-x-1011-el-capitan-serious-minor.
 

Many of these problems persist even after the update pushed out most recently. 

If you have a secondary Mac no problems go ahead with the installation. 

Otherwise just wait for these bugs to be sorted out. 

Yours truly, 

Sadam Ahmed 

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> Can you explain some of these?
> 
>> On 11/8/15, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
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>> 
>> My advice would be to stay put for now.
>> 
>> There are still many issues that haven't been resolved from a accessibility
>> perspective.
>> 
>> Yours truly,
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On 9 Nov 2015, at 9:34 AM, jeff `greene  wrote:
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>>> Hi, Well when OS X 10.11 came out I upgraded and it wasn’t a good
>>> experience. Now I notice they are up to 10.11.1 do you think I should try
>>> it again? I’m running a 2012 15-inch macbook pro with 16gb of ram and an
>>> SSd. What do you guys think?
>>> Thanks, Jeff
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Outlook Mail or iOS Mail I wonder who likes what?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I have just installed outlook on my phone to see what it was like.

As I had two step verification, I had to generate an app specific password 
which I found out by accident.  Before at work I could not install iCloud mail 
for some reason but I thought I’d give it a go here.

So I opened Outlook to see what it was like.

After playing around with it, I have decided that I like my IOS mail.  However 
I’m going to keep my Outlook just in case I can get an out of office 
verification as I am going to try and put my work exchange mail on my phone in 
due course once I find out the settings for my work account.

So I was wondering for those who use outlook mail on their I phone, which do 
you like, outlook or IOS mail? Just curious.

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Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I have not seen this although I have no vision so I would not know if my screen 
was awake or not.  However, my battery on my phone is lasting four days and 
that is letting the battery run out completely.  I am using an I phone 6 S Plus.

Kawal.
> On 8 Nov 2015, at 22:57, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I can confirm Daniels reply.
> No problems here.
> Wonder if its some hardware glitch or something?
> /A
>> On 08 Nov 2015, at 05:43, Daniel Miller  wrote:
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>> Weird, that didn’t happen on my 6 Plus or 6S Plus. Strange.
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 10:19 PM, Gabe Griffith  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I actually agree with Mark. I have had this happen on my iPhone 5C running 
>>> iOS 9.1.
>>> 
>>> Gabe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Mark,
 
 I’m sorry to inform you, you’re 100% incorrect about this bug. If I have 
 my messages or any type of alert set to show on the lock screen, my screen 
 always wakes up, and goes to sleep at the appropriate time.
 
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> SUMMARY:
> One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
> multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is 
> enabled,
> receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
> display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered this
> same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as opposed
> to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text message
> alerts, only.
> 
> This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
> upon the level of the screen brightness.
> 
> SCENARIO:
> 1.
> Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order to
> quickly unlock the device.
> 
> 2.
> Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain you 
> can
> see the messages in both your notification center and on the lock screen.
> 
> 3.
> Now lock the screen.
> 
> 4.
> Receive a text message from someone.  
> 
> 5.
> If the glitch happens, the screen will wake up, displaying a dialog box
> giving you the option to either close the alert or reply to the message.
> 
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> Even when an alert is received, the display is supposed to remain off 
> until
> activated by the user.  However, on a very intermittent basis, the alert
> will wake up the screen and it will not go back to sleep until the alert 
> is
> dismissed.  I estimate that this happens once out of every 20 or so 
> alerts.
> However, when it happens, the battery will just sit there and drain as the
> screen remains active until the alert is dismissed.  This also has the
> collateral affect of heating up the phone.  I have not attempted to
> reproduce this issue on any device not running VoiceOver.
> 
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> most frequently used apps.
> 
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Re: Any fix for a Mini with no screen yet?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Or by a fit headless adapter which is a hdmi plug with a squared peace of 
rubber or plastic.
I guess its a circuit inside the rubber box that tells the mac its a screen 
thats connected.
/A
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> Hi Alex,
> 
> Unfortunately, the only fix is to get a newer model mac mini, as those don’t 
> exhibit the same issues as the older ones did, I believe.
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I’m on my 2011 Mini, now with a shiny new SSD in it. It would be blazing 
>> fast… Except for that bug where things are randomly busy unless you connect 
>> a monitor. I know I could connect a monitor, and I think there’s a box I 
>> could buy that would trick the Mini into thinking there’s a monitor. Is 
>> there a better way, though, a way to truly run this with no screen and no 
>> more money sunk into it? I’m on the latest 10.11, but this has been 
>> happening since 10.7 when I first got this machine. Thanks in advance.
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Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

[Marianne Denning]

Can you explain some of these?

On 11/8/15, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> Hi jeff,
>
> My advice would be to stay put for now.
>
> There are still many issues that haven't been resolved from a accessibility
> perspective.
>
> Yours truly,
>
> Sadam Ahmed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 9 Nov 2015, at 9:34 AM, jeff `greene  wrote:
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>> Hi, Well when OS X 10.11 came out I upgraded and it wasn’t a good
>> experience. Now I notice they are up to 10.11.1 do you think I should try
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>> SSd. What do you guys think?
>> Thanks, Jeff
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Re: haven't taken the plunge yet!

[Sadam Ahmed]

Hi jeff, 

My advice would be to stay put for now. 

There are still many issues that haven't been resolved from a accessibility 
perspective. 

Yours truly, 

Sadam Ahmed 

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Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I can confirm Daniels reply.
No problems here.
Wonder if its some hardware glitch or something?
/A
> On 08 Nov 2015, at 05:43, Daniel Miller  wrote:
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> Weird, that didn’t happen on my 6 Plus or 6S Plus. Strange.
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 10:19 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> I actually agree with Mark. I have had this happen on my iPhone 5C running 
>> iOS 9.1.
>> 
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> I’m sorry to inform you, you’re 100% incorrect about this bug. If I have my 
>>> messages or any type of alert set to show on the lock screen, my screen 
>>> always wakes up, and goes to sleep at the appropriate time.
>>> 
 On Nov 7, 2015, at 8:25 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I am cross-posting this to both the v iPhone and the Mac Visionaries 
 mailing
 list.
 
 SUMMARY:
 One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
 multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is enabled,
 receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
 display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered this
 same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as opposed
 to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text message
 alerts, only.
 
 This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
 upon the level of the screen brightness.
 
 SCENARIO:
 1.
 Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order to
 quickly unlock the device.
 
 2.
 Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain you 
 can
 see the messages in both your notification center and on the lock screen.
 
 3.
 Now lock the screen.
 
 4.
 Receive a text message from someone.  
 
 5.
 If the glitch happens, the screen will wake up, displaying a dialog box
 giving you the option to either close the alert or reply to the message.
 
 CONCLUSION:
 Even when an alert is received, the display is supposed to remain off until
 activated by the user.  However, on a very intermittent basis, the alert
 will wake up the screen and it will not go back to sleep until the alert is
 dismissed.  I estimate that this happens once out of every 20 or so alerts.
 However, when it happens, the battery will just sit there and drain as the
 screen remains active until the alert is dismissed.  This also has the
 collateral affect of heating up the phone.  I have not attempted to
 reproduce this issue on any device not running VoiceOver.
 
 My solution to this is to switch the alert notifications to banners for my
 most frequently used apps.
 
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haven't taken the plunge yet!

[jeff `greene]

Hi, Well when OS X 10.11 came out I upgraded and it wasn’t a good experience. 
Now I notice they are up to 10.11.1 do you think I should try it again? I’m 
running a 2012 15-inch macbook pro with 16gb of ram and an SSd. What do you 
guys think?
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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Blee Blat]

Ok, I have a few PDF's that I've just been using preview for. How is Adobe 
Digital Editions different? And how is Kobo different than Kindle or iBooks. 
I'm not a huge fan of Kindle because a lot of the books I'd like to read are 
only on free sample.
 But iBooks on the phone is lovely if I could just get the app store to stop 
signing in and out every reboot it'd be lovely too but restoring the phone did 
not fix that but that's another thread it's only related to this one because I 
had to click thrice to buy a book yesterday. :)

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Re: Any fix for a Mini with no screen yet?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

No, and it turns out that the graphics cards can’t be used to their full 
potential without a physical adaptor anyway; for example, no CUDA or Stream 
computation.

Get a pack of FitHeadless units.  They really are very elegant, it’s a one-time 
purchase, and they’ll help you in the future if you ever need to run a 
machine—even a Windows machine—without a monitor.

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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

iBooks is very annoying by nature, but it’s not nonfunctional—at least, not by 
Apple’s present-day standards.  It sounds like you’re having a right time of 
it, though, and there’s probably something wrong in your particular 
installation.

At the very least, can you explore the main window and press on the “Get 
Started” button?

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Re: iMovie

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

go to file then import file, then you can select your camera or a file to put 
to you record
> Il giorno 08 nov 2015, alle ore 7:42 PM, Vaughn Brown 
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> Hello folks,
> 
> Somehow this message did not get through. I am needing to work on some
> video projects and want to use iMovie on the Mac. All I can find is
> the tutorial for the iPad. The iMovie seems to be not very accessible.
> I see t "voiceover" where you can record your voice over a visual film
> shot but I cannot seem to figure out how to make an actual video
> involving both audio and visual. This is for recording youtube clips
> of my music as well as some presentations. I hope I am clear.
> Thank you for your help and let me know if you need further clarification.
> 
> Kindly,
> Vaughn
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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Anne,

Thank you for responding.  The thing is that I can't find the preferences where 
I could set the reading to two pages or whatever other option there may be.  I 
can go to the menu bar with vo+m but I can't arrow down the menus.  I'm just so 
surprise;surprised.

Andrew
> On 8 Nov 2015, at 19:39, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> For me, iBooks in Mac OS X El Capitán, iBooks is working OK. I have it set to 
> 2 pages and can either read using VO-a or by sentence, paragraph, etc.
> 
> In fact, I much prefer Adobe Digital Editions on the Mac, and Kobo on the 
> iPhone to read eBooks. Besides, living in France, there are lots of English 
> language iBooks I can’t get. I don’t have this problem with either Kobo or 
> Kindle.
> For about a year, the latest versions of Kobo for iOS weren’t accessible, but 
> they’ve fixed most of the problems now.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
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>> Yeah I can get menus but that's it. The reading area is always busy. Have I 
>> got something misconfigured on OS X? Are there certain settings for 
>> accessibility. I read all the ibooks on iphone because it reads flawlessly 
>> but the same level of access on os x would be lovely.  
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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Anne Robertson]

For me, iBooks in Mac OS X El Capitán, iBooks is working OK. I have it set to 2 
pages and can either read using VO-a or by sentence, paragraph, etc.

In fact, I much prefer Adobe Digital Editions on the Mac, and Kobo on the 
iPhone to read eBooks. Besides, living in France, there are lots of English 
language iBooks I can’t get. I don’t have this problem with either Kobo or 
Kindle.
For about a year, the latest versions of Kobo for iOS weren’t accessible, but 
they’ve fixed most of the problems now.

Cheers,

Anne


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Re: transferring folders revisitied

[Grant]

Hello,

My bad; I appreciate the correction!

Cheers,

Grant

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> On Nov 7, 2015, at 3:59 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Apple Mail will open .eml files. Right click (VO shift m), select Open With 
> and select Mail. Just confirmed this works.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 11/7/2015 3:00 PM, Grant wrote:
>> I’m fairly certain Apple Mail doesn’t open .eml or .msg files. You’d likely 
>> need a third-party program to access those files unless you can save them in 
>> another format from the source. For instance, in Outlook 2013 for Windows 
>> you can save messages in HTML or plain text format, and your Mac will open 
>> these files with no problem.
>> 
>> Grant
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 9:06 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>   Perhaps they are not .exe but .eml? You can save emails in that format and 
>> Mac Mail should be able to open them.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 11/6/2015 8:46 PM, Marie Lyons wrote:
>>> Well I didn't save them that way. Why would an email be characterized as
>>> an exe?
>>> 
>>> Marie
>>> Fixed income, hell mine is broken Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 5:14 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
  Executable (.exe) are Windows only files.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
> On 11/6/2015 1:29 PM, Marie Lyons wrote:
> I have done this only to find I can’t open the files in one of my
> folders.  I can open others.  In the ones I can’t they are classified
> as executables which I don’t understand.  I know they are emails
> someone sent me.
> 
 Marie Lyons
>> On Nov 3, 2015, at 3:51 PM, E.T. > > wrote:
>> 
>> Marie,
>>  How many files or folders are you wanting to move? If not tons,
>> best bet is to copy to a thumb drive or whatever media you wish to
>> use, then connect to the Mac and do a paste. If you paste to
>> desktop, you can organize better from there. You will be done in no
>> time if you do this. If your media is large enough, you can do it in
>> one step. Forget compressing the files.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 11/3/2015 12:46 PM, Marie Lyons wrote:
>>> I have gone into Windows to attempt to zip the folders; however
>>> only came across 2 options, either compress and mail or compress as
>>> rar and mail.  There wasn’t an option just to compress.  I am not
>>> sure how to proceed.
>>> 
>>> Marie Lyons
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Re: ibooks is driving me crazy

[Blee Blat]

Yeah I can get menus but that's it. The reading area is always busy. Have I got 
something misconfigured on OS X? Are there certain settings for accessibility. 
I read all the ibooks on iphone because it reads flawlessly but the same level 
of access on os x would be lovely.  

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iMovie

[Vaughn Brown]

Hello folks,

Somehow this message did not get through. I am needing to work on some
video projects and want to use iMovie on the Mac. All I can find is
the tutorial for the iPad. The iMovie seems to be not very accessible.
I see t "voiceover" where you can record your voice over a visual film
shot but I cannot seem to figure out how to make an actual video
involving both audio and visual. This is for recording youtube clips
of my music as well as some presentations. I hope I am clear.
Thank you for your help and let me know if you need further clarification.

Kindly,
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Re: inspecting a link in safari

[Vaughn Brown]

Chris,

Thank you. I managed to assign quick nav to the mail but was unable to
find the letter nav you mentioned. How do I enable this? Looking
forward to getting these functions going on mail as a lot of group
messages have links and headings.
Vaughn

On 11/6/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
> Do you have quick nav enabled?  You need to, for this to work.
>
> Secondly, do you have single letter navigation enabled?  If so, do you have
>
> a Voiceover Activity for Mail, and if so, did you enable these two options
> specifically within the activity?
>
> If this is too much work, then try doing command+VO+H instead of just the
> letter h by itself.
>
> See if that works.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Vaughn Brown" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 5:02 PM
> Subject: Re: inspecting a link in safari
>
>
>>I have a similar question. I noticed that when in an email that has
>> headings and links, the voiceover mode on does not work when you press
>> H and L as it does in safari. Is this just the nature of the beast?
>> Vaughn
>>
>> On 11/6/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
>>> Very understandable.  I'm always happy to help where I can.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "jeff `greene" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 2:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: inspecting a link in safari
>>>
>>>
 Hi, thanks a lot! Its one of those things if you don't use it
 Jeff


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> Oh!  Sure thing, bro!  You're thinking of VO+shift+U.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "jeff `greene" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 11:43 AM
> Subject: inspecting a link in safari
>
>
>> Hi, I seem to remember there was a command to inspect a link in an
>> email or safari, like to see where it really goes. But, I can't
>> remember the command to do it, can anybody help?
>> Thanks, Jeff
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ibooks is driving me crazy

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I don't seem to be able to work out anything in ibooks under El Capitan.

I can't open any menus, I can't find preferences, I don't seem to be able to 
read books or change pages in a book, please help!  This is desperate.  I feel 
so helpless.  Ibooks gets busy very often when I land on the reading area which 
it doesn't report anyway.  How do I go from page to page if I want to skip 
pages, or chapter to chapter?

Many thanks, in frustration

Andrew

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Re: update on voiceover issue.

[Phil Halton]

You didn't read the message very carefully. It requires command plus option 
plus the letters are and P, not simply command RP. I have done this recently 
and it works as advertised hold command option RP until you hear the chime four 
times then release you'll hear the chime one more time as it reboots.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Nov 8, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I followed the instructions according to what you posted, and it all the 
> computer did was simply restart itself.  I did command+r+p, altogether, then 
> pressed the power button, with these held down, and it just restarted like 
> normal, so have no idea what to make of it; then tried it pressing and 
> holding the power button with all of them held down, and it restarted, then 
> shut it self down, so not sure what to make of this, and is still acting up.
>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Eileen,
>> 
>> I’ll post a separate message explaining how to do a clean install of El 
>> Capitán with a subject line that says what it is.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Nov 2015, at 21:57, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Anne,
>>>  
>>> I’m not Jessica, but I would not mind having clear cut instructions on how 
>>> to go about a clean install.  I have had my Mac Book Pro reset to Yosemite 
>>> and am very Leary about trying to re-install
>>> El Cap again.  Until subscribing to this list I never heard of a “clean 
>>> install” and it does sound rather daunting.  I’m not sure I want to go back 
>>> to El Capitan, but at some point in time I would think Apple will release a 
>>> better update that works properly with VO.
>>>  
>>> Thanks,
>>>  
>>> Eileen
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Anne Robertson
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 3:50 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: update on voiceover issue.
>>>  
>>> Hello Jessica,
>>> 
>>> If you just did an update to Yosemite, you should try doing a clean install 
>>> of El Capitan. I’ve seen so much trouble with this update that I would 
>>> discourage anyone from doing a simple update rather than a clean install.
>>> 
>>> If you need instructions, I’ll post them.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > On 7 Nov 2015, at 00:26, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Ok, I've managed to somewhat get everything working, after running a 
>>> > virus scan, and it apparently finding nothing, and everything acting up.  
>>> > something told me to try this, and I have no idea what, but if I press 
>>> > and hold the escape key for about 2 seconds, everything fixes itself for 
>>> > about a minutte or so, so I can scroll through stuff, and operate like 
>>> > normal, then everything goes back to acting up again.  I have no idea 
>>> > what could be causing this, and seems to be doing so much stuff that I 
>>> > don't know what to do searches for to try to remmody it.
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Re: update on voiceover issue.

[Jessica Moss]

Ok, I followed the instructions according to what you posted, and it all the 
computer did was simply restart itself.  I did command+r+p, altogether, then 
pressed the power button, with these held down, and it just restarted like 
normal, so have no idea what to make of it; then tried it pressing and holding 
the power button with all of them held down, and it restarted, then shut it 
self down, so not sure what to make of this, and is still acting up.
On Nov 8, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Eileen,
> 
> I’ll post a separate message explaining how to do a clean install of El 
> Capitán with a subject line that says what it is.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 7 Nov 2015, at 21:57, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anne,
>>  
>> I’m not Jessica, but I would not mind having clear cut instructions on how 
>> to go about a clean install.  I have had my Mac Book Pro reset to Yosemite 
>> and am very Leary about trying to re-install
>> El Cap again.  Until subscribing to this list I never heard of a “clean 
>> install” and it does sound rather daunting.  I’m not sure I want to go back 
>> to El Capitan, but at some point in time I would think Apple will release a 
>> better update that works properly with VO.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Eileen
>>  
>>  
>> From: Anne Robertson
>> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 3:50 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: update on voiceover issue.
>>  
>> Hello Jessica,
>> 
>> If you just did an update to Yosemite, you should try doing a clean install 
>> of El Capitan. I’ve seen so much trouble with this update that I would 
>> discourage anyone from doing a simple update rather than a clean install.
>> 
>> If you need instructions, I’ll post them.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> > On 7 Nov 2015, at 00:26, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Ok, I've managed to somewhat get everything working, after running a virus 
>> > scan, and it apparently finding nothing, and everything acting up.  
>> > something told me to try this, and I have no idea what, but if I press and 
>> > hold the escape key for about 2 seconds, everything fixes itself for about 
>> > a minutte or so, so I can scroll through stuff, and operate like normal, 
>> > then everything goes back to acting up again.  I have no idea what could 
>> > be causing this, and seems to be doing so much stuff that I don't know 
>> > what to do searches for to try to remmody it.
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Re: Any fix for a Mini with no screen yet?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Alex,

Unfortunately, the only fix is to get a newer model mac mini, as those don’t 
exhibit the same issues as the older ones did, I believe.

> On Nov 8, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I’m on my 2011 Mini, now with a shiny new SSD in it. It would be blazing 
> fast… Except for that bug where things are randomly busy unless you connect a 
> monitor. I know I could connect a monitor, and I think there’s a box I could 
> buy that would trick the Mini into thinking there’s a monitor. Is there a 
> better way, though, a way to truly run this with no screen and no more money 
> sunk into it? I’m on the latest 10.11, but this has been happening since 10.7 
> when I first got this machine. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Clean install of El Capitan

[Eileen Scrivani]

Anne, 

Thanks so much for your step by step directions.  I will be sure to save the 
instructions. 

Thanks again. 

Eileen


From: Anne Robertson 
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 10:05 AM
To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Clean install of El Capitan

Hello everyone,

I know this has been covered before, but here’s how to do a clean install of El 
Capitán.

Cheers,

Anne


Download El Capitán from the Appstore.
When it opens the installer, quit it.
Make sure you have a spare 8 gb USB drive and give it the name Untitled.
Prepare your USB Flash Drive.

To format the USB drive open Disk Utility. Plug the drive into your Mac.

Select the USB Flash drive from the table in Disk Utility.
Select the “Erase” tab.
Make sure the Format is set to Mac OS Extended (Journaled).
As for the name, leave it as “Untitled”.
Finally click the Erase tab.

Terminal Command

Simply copy and paste this into Terminal and press the Return key:

sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ 
Capitan.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Untitled 
--applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app --nointeraction

Since the above command uses the sudo attribute you will be required to enter 
your password to start the process.

Once the process starts you will see this in Terminal:

Erasing Disk: 0%… 10%… 20%…100%…
Copying installer files to disk…
Copy complete.
Making disk bootable…
Copying boot files…
Copy complete.
Done.

This process can take a while since it’s copying gigabytes of data over. Leave 
it alone and let it do its thing.

Installation.

First of all, make sure you have a Time Machine backup of your system, then 
shut down your computer.
With the installer USB drive plugged in, hold down the Option key and press the 
Power key.
Give it about 30 seconds, then press Right arrow once if you have no recovery 
partition, or twice if you have.
Press Return and wait.
After a few minutes, press Cmd-F5 to start VoiceOver.
The first screen is the Language Chooser, so press Continue.
You should now have a table of Utilities. Select Disk Utility and erase your 
internal hard drive. (Sometimes, VoiceOver gets stuck at this point and you may 
need sighted help to get out of trouble).
Once the HD is erased, select the installer and let it do its thing.
Eventually, you will be asked if you have another computer or a Time Machine 
backup. This is the point at which you connect your Time Machine drive, and 
just follow the instructions.

All your applications and data will be restored, except for any apps that are 
not compatible with El Capitán.
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Clean install of El Capitan

[Anne Robertson]

Hello everyone,

I know this has been covered before, but here’s how to do a clean install of El 
Capitán.

Cheers,

Anne


Download El Capitán from the Appstore.
When it opens the installer, quit it.
Make sure you have a spare 8 gb USB drive and give it the name Untitled.
Prepare your USB Flash Drive.

To format the USB drive open Disk Utility. Plug the drive into your Mac.

Select the USB Flash drive from the table in Disk Utility.
Select the “Erase” tab.
Make sure the Format is set to Mac OS Extended (Journaled).
As for the name, leave it as “Untitled”.
Finally click the Erase tab.

Terminal Command

Simply copy and paste this into Terminal and press the Return key:

sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ 
Capitan.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Untitled 
--applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ El\ Capitan.app --nointeraction

Since the above command uses the sudo attribute you will be required to enter 
your password to start the process.

Once the process starts you will see this in Terminal:

Erasing Disk: 0%… 10%… 20%…100%…
Copying installer files to disk…
Copy complete.
Making disk bootable…
Copying boot files…
Copy complete.
Done.

This process can take a while since it’s copying gigabytes of data over. Leave 
it alone and let it do its thing.

Installation.

First of all, make sure you have a Time Machine backup of your system, then 
shut down your computer.
With the installer USB drive plugged in, hold down the Option key and press the 
Power key.
Give it about 30 seconds, then press Right arrow once if you have no recovery 
partition, or twice if you have.
Press Return and wait.
After a few minutes, press Cmd-F5 to start VoiceOver.
The first screen is the Language Chooser, so press Continue.
You should now have a table of Utilities. Select Disk Utility and erase your 
internal hard drive. (Sometimes, VoiceOver gets stuck at this point and you may 
need sighted help to get out of trouble).
Once the HD is erased, select the installer and let it do its thing.
Eventually, you will be asked if you have another computer or a Time Machine 
backup. This is the point at which you connect your Time Machine drive, and 
just follow the instructions.

All your applications and data will be restored, except for any apps that are 
not compatible with El Capitán.

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Any fix for a Mini with no screen yet?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I’m on my 2011 Mini, now with a shiny new SSD in it. It would be blazing fast… 
Except for that bug where things are randomly busy unless you connect a 
monitor. I know I could connect a monitor, and I think there’s a box I could 
buy that would trick the Mini into thinking there’s a monitor. Is there a 
better way, though, a way to truly run this with no screen and no more money 
sunk into it? I’m on the latest 10.11, but this has been happening since 10.7 
when I first got this machine. Thanks in advance.

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Re: update on voiceover issue.

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Eileen,

I’ll post a separate message explaining how to do a clean install of El Capitán 
with a subject line that says what it is.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 7 Nov 2015, at 21:57, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne,
>  
> I’m not Jessica, but I would not mind having clear cut instructions on how to 
> go about a clean install.  I have had my Mac Book Pro reset to Yosemite and 
> am very Leary about trying to re-install
> El Cap again.  Until subscribing to this list I never heard of a “clean 
> install” and it does sound rather daunting.  I’m not sure I want to go back 
> to El Capitan, but at some point in time I would think Apple will release a 
> better update that works properly with VO.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Eileen
>  
>  
> From: Anne Robertson 
> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 3:50 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: update on voiceover issue.
>  
> Hello Jessica,
> 
> If you just did an update to Yosemite, you should try doing a clean install 
> of El Capitan. I’ve seen so much trouble with this update that I would 
> discourage anyone from doing a simple update rather than a clean install.
> 
> If you need instructions, I’ll post them.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> > On 7 Nov 2015, at 00:26, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> > 
> > Ok, I've managed to somewhat get everything working, after running a virus 
> > scan, and it apparently finding nothing, and everything acting up.  
> > something told me to try this, and I have no idea what, but if I press and 
> > hold the escape key for about 2 seconds, everything fixes itself for about 
> > a minutte or so, so I can scroll through stuff, and operate like normal, 
> > then everything goes back to acting up again.  I have no idea what could be 
> > causing this, and seems to be doing so much stuff that I don't know what to 
> > do searches for to try to remmody it.
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How To Enable the Google Less Secure Apps Feature

[M. Taylor]

Hello, 

I changed the subject line of this thread to more closely reflect the current 
discussion.  

Okay, I looked this up for you and the following is the easiest and most screen 
reader accessible way to change this setting in your Google account.

To enable the Less Secure Apps feature, do the following:

1.
Using your preferred web browser, sign in to your gMail account.  Do not close 
the browser.  This step merely insures that you are correctly signed into your 
gMail account.

2.
Now, in the address bar of your preferred browser, used in step 1, paste in the 
following URL:
http://www.google.com/settings/security/lesssecureapps

3.
Now, simply switch the radio button from off to on.  Your setting will be 
automatically saved.

That's all there is to it.

Following my signature, I will paste in the original Google support article on 
this along with its URL.

Good Luck,

Mark

Allowing less secure apps to access your account
Google may block sign-in attempts from some apps or devices that do not use 
modern security standards. Since these apps and devices are easier to break 
into, blocking them helps keep your account safe.

Some examples of apps that do not support the latest security standards include:

•The Mail app on your iPhone or iPad with iOS 6 or below
•The Mail app on your Windows phone preceding the 8.1 release
•Some Desktop mail clients like Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla Thunderbird
Change account access for less secure apps
To help keep Google Apps users' accounts secure, we may block less secure apps 
from accessing Google Apps accounts. As a Google Apps user, you will see a 
"Password incorrect" error when trying to sign in. If this is the case, you 
have two options:

•Option 1: Upgrade to a more secure app that uses the most up to date security 
measures. All Google products, like Gmail, use the latest security measures.
•Option 2: Change your settings to allow less secure apps to access your 
account. We don't recommend this option because it might make it easier for 
someone to break into your account. If you want to allow access anyway, follow 
these steps: 
1.Go to the "Less secure apps" section in My Account.
2.Next to "Access for less secure apps," select Turn on. (Note to Google Apps 
users: This setting is hidden if your administrator has locked less secure app 
account access.)
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mauricio Molina
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 6:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Outlook on the mac and Gmail

Hi Denise, 

I have run into this issue a few times while assisting others set up their 
Gmail account in Outlook on a Windows machine. Apparently, Gmail does not 
consider Outlook or the Mail app on the Mac to be secure. Going from memory, 
what had to be done is that we had to sign into the Gmail account using the web 
interface. Once there, we had to activate the link for Manage My Account. On 
this page there was a link that said something about Security, activate this 
link. Here is where I ran into trouble, at least using JAWS on a PC. There is 
an option to Allow Less Secure Apps and this option is off by default. 
Unfortunately, although it was always easy to locate the heading where this 
option was available, JAWS would not identify the option located below the 
heading as a checkbox and neither would any other Windows screen reader; I did 
not try this with the Mac and Voiceover. If you have sighted assistance, 
perhaps they can help with this last step. Once Allow Less Secure Apps is 
enabled, all will work as it should. 

I apologize I cannot provide the exact steps  but hope the information above 
will be enough to get you where you need to be. 

Mauricio

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of denise avant
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 4:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Outlook on the mac and gmail

the e-mail stated as follows:
someone just attempted to sign into your account with an app 
that doesn't meet modern security standards.

Details:
Friday, November 6, 2015 11:14 PM (Central Standard Time)
Chicago, IL, USA*
We strongly recommend that you use a secure app, like Gmail, to access your 
account. All apps made by Google meet these security standards. Using a less 
secure app, on the other hand, could leave your account vulnerable. Learn more.




On Nov 7, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Grant  wrote:

What specifically did the Email say? The error message would probably provide 
guidance as to what’s going on. Are you using two-step verification where you 
have to enter both your password and a six-digit code when you sign into Gmail 
from a new device? If so, you need to visit your Google account settings and 
create an app-specific password rather than using the regular Gmail password 
you use to sign in on the web.

Grant

O

Re: Outlook on the mac and Gmail

[Andrew Lamanche]

Mauricio, you are right: you have to go into your Google account on the web 
page, find settings and then activate the "less secure apps".  It can be 
managed on the mac.
> On 8 Nov 2015, at 02:27, Mauricio Molina  wrote:
> 
> Hi Denise, 
>  
> I have run into this issue a few times while assisting others set up their 
> Gmail account in Outlook on a Windows machine. Apparently, Gmail does not 
> consider Outlook or the Mail app on the Mac to be secure. Going from memory, 
> what had to be done is that we had to sign into the Gmail account using the 
> web interface. Once there, we had to activate the link for Manage My Account. 
> On this page there was a link that said something about Security, activate 
> this link. Here is where I ran into trouble, at least using JAWS on a PC. 
> There is an option to Allow Less Secure Apps and this option is off by 
> default. Unfortunately, although it was always easy to locate the heading 
> where this option was available, JAWS would not identify the option located 
> below the heading as a checkbox and neither would any other Windows screen 
> reader; I did not try this with the Mac and Voiceover. If you have sighted 
> assistance, perhaps they can help with this last step. Once Allow Less Secure 
> Apps is enabled, all will work as it should. 
>  
> I apologize I cannot provide the exact steps  but hope the information above 
> will be enough to get you where you need to be. 
>  
> Mauricio
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of denise avant
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 4:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Outlook on the mac and gmail
>  
> the e-mail stated as follows:
> someone just attempted to sign into your account with an app 
>> that doesn't meet modern security standards.
>> Details:
>> Friday, November 6, 2015 11:14 PM (Central Standard Time)
>> Chicago, IL, USA*
>> 
>> We strongly recommend that you use a secure app, like Gmail, to access your 
>> account. All apps made by Google meet these security standards. Using a less 
>> secure app, on the other hand, could leave your account vulnerable. Learn 
>> more .
>> 
>  
>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Grant > > wrote:
>>  
>> What specifically did the Email say? The error message would probably 
>> provide guidance as to what’s going on. Are you using two-step verification 
>> where you have to enter both your password and a six-digit code when you 
>> sign into Gmail from a new device? If so, you need to visit your Google 
>> account settings and create an app-specific password rather than using the 
>> regular Gmail password you use to sign in on the web.
>> 
>> Grant
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 2:20 PM, denise avant > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I had an interesting problem when I attempted to setup my gmail account on 
>> the MAc using outlook. I could not sign in with my password, and received an 
>> e-mail saying that given the security level of gmail, it would not allow me 
>> to connect through outlook. I successfully did this on the iPhone with 
>> outlook. does anyone know why I would get this message on the Mac? thanks.
>> .
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