date:20160615

Thanks that's very helpful.


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> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:35 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Here is the link.
> 
> 
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/15/2016 7:26 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I think this came up before on the list but I don't remember what the
>> result was and a google search is frustrating me.  Does any one know
>> where keystroke typing tuto went?
>> 
>> Failing that, can anyone recommend one of the typing tutors from the app
>> store?  They cost a fare chung of change just to buy them for evaluation.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: keystroke typing tutor disappeared


   Here is the link.



From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/15/2016 7:26 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

Hi all,

I think this came up before on the list but I don't remember what the
result was and a google search is frustrating me.  Does any one know
where keystroke typing tuto went?

Failing that, can anyone recommend one of the typing tutors from the app
store?  They cost a fare chung of change just to buy them for evaluation.

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
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keystroke typing tutor disappeared

Hi all,

I think this came up before on the list but I don't remember what the result 
was and a google search is frustrating me.  Does any one know where keystroke 
typing tuto went?

Failing that, can anyone recommend one of the typing tutors from the app store? 
 They cost a fare chung of change just to buy them for evaluation.

Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
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Re: hotspots within apps

> Jonathan:
thanks for this, i didn’t know about window spots, so will for sure have to 
explore them.
best
michael
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:23 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> What about "WindowSpots" do these actually work? I believe these are supposed 
> to be tied to the application. 
> 
>  
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Jun 2016, at 14:11, michael babcock > > wrote:
>> 
>> Chris:
>> thanks a lot for the call to clarify what you are talking about. This should 
>> work wonderfully, and help transform the software as a service platforms i'm 
>> working with as well, since i can now set hot spots based on the domain two!
>> Keep being wonderful!
>> best.
>> michael
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 8:06:20 AM UTC-7, Gilland Marketing wrote:
>> Mike, yeah, you need to set the hotspot, then while the app is opened, go 
>> into the VO Utility.  Create a hotspot, then within the hotspot, you may 
>> have to check the box for other settings, I don't remember, but there should 
>> be a checkbox to store hotspots within the activity.  So once that's 
>> checked, name the activity, then attach it to the application accordingly. 
>> 
>> Then, things should work. 
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "michael babcock" > 
>> To: > 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:37 PM 
>> Subject: hotspots within apps 
>> 
>> 
>> Is it possible to set the same hotspot for example VO + ) to some place 
>> independent of the application? Maybe a setting I might have to change in 
>> voiceover, as whenever I set VO+0 to a place within an application outside 
>> of chrome, this hotspot no longer takes me to the utility in my toolbar in 
>> chrome that I have originally set it to, so I have to find that location and 
>> reset the hotspot. Then of course it doesn't work in the other application I 
>> set that same hotspot two. This being said, does this mean that I only have 
>> 10 hotspot system wide? 
>> OSX Version, 10.11.5 
>> Best. 
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Re: hotspots within apps

2016-06-15 Thread Jonathan Cohn

What about "WindowSpots" do these actually work? I believe these are supposed 
to be tied to the application. 

 
Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On 15 Jun 2016, at 14:11, michael babcock  wrote:
> 
> Chris:
> thanks a lot for the call to clarify what you are talking about. This should 
> work wonderfully, and help transform the software as a service platforms i'm 
> working with as well, since i can now set hot spots based on the domain two!
> Keep being wonderful!
> best.
> michael
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 8:06:20 AM UTC-7, Gilland Marketing wrote:
> Mike, yeah, you need to set the hotspot, then while the app is opened, go 
> into the VO Utility.  Create a hotspot, then within the hotspot, you may 
> have to check the box for other settings, I don't remember, but there should 
> be a checkbox to store hotspots within the activity.  So once that's 
> checked, name the activity, then attach it to the application accordingly. 
> 
> Then, things should work. 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "michael babcock" > 
> To: > 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:37 PM 
> Subject: hotspots within apps 
> 
> 
> Is it possible to set the same hotspot for example VO + ) to some place 
> independent of the application? Maybe a setting I might have to change in 
> voiceover, as whenever I set VO+0 to a place within an application outside 
> of chrome, this hotspot no longer takes me to the utility in my toolbar in 
> chrome that I have originally set it to, so I have to find that location and 
> reset the hotspot. Then of course it doesn't work in the other application I 
> set that same hotspot two. This being said, does this mean that I only have 
> 10 hotspot system wide? 
> OSX Version, 10.11.5 
> Best. 
> Michael 
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Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

It's not only the "Churche of apple".  I'm not really sure I fit the furver.  I 
do regularly use mac and ios, but also android and windows via NVDA.  I'm 
co-owner of a site for android users with disabilities.  Window-eyes wasn't my 
first screen reader but it was my best loved after window-bridge.  It was hard 
for me to watch for years as window-eyes development sagged and the product 
fell further and further behind the curve.  The deal is, the mainstream or 
universal design model works much better than the commercial model.  
Accessibility remains ontop of the curve, not six months to a year behind.  
Accessibility as part of the operating system means that devices are plug and 
play and the disabled users have access to key functions such as instalation, 
updates, and recovery modes.  Then theres the cost distrobution which means 
that accessibility is no extra cost to the user.  Apple was in a unique 
position to be able to set the bar for a universal access model, but they 
weren't the first and they're not the only.  With android and so many linux 
distrobutions stepping up to keep pace with apple and being successful doing 
so, there's no way to shrug off universal access as "just an apple thing".  
Even with NVDA being as good a product as it is, it's still not fully 
integrated into windows and doesn't provide out of box access to core funtions. 
 As long as we have to download software and drivers to get windows up and 
running it will fall short in terms of accessibility.

I'm sorry about the demise of window-eyes,  But I kept my sma up and did my 
part and it was never enough.  Where-as on my modern devices I get a free 
screen reader upgrade with every new operating system and the upgrade is 
generally stable and has useful new features.

Best,

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> On Jun 15, 2016, at 6:21 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Yeah, I get that as members of the church of Apple there is a certain 
> jubilation at the idea of the death of commercial AT.  What I was saying was 
> that, actually, I think this will hurt, while we have competition in the 
> marketplace.  I was quite the GW fan, you know (my first screen reader) and 
> at least this aspect of it makes me sad.  They were (and still are) very 
> receptive to the idea of Mac users using Windows VMs with Window-Eyes inside, 
> and that’s still an excellent option.
> 
> Oh, well.
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Yep, Apple’s workgroup solutions really work best in an all-Mac configuration, 
now that they have been thoroughly simplified and borked beyond all 
recognition.  Windows integration is possible, and it gets better, but I think 
it’s fair to say that Apple’s not really interested in competing quite as hard 
in the “Enterprise” space.  Still, it’s great to see more Macs, even if they 
are just companions to iOS (network effect again).  You’ve got to see it as 
Apple see it: tiny, underclocked notebook computers, just like the new MacBook, 
fit for the discerning boss who’s had quite enough of that BS from the IT 
department.  In that context, of course, it makes sense.  And there are now 
cloud-based device management services to do your management for you, so you 
don’t really need any supporting Apple infrastructure (apart from the APNS 
[Apple Push Notification Service] run by Apple, of course).

The other interesting growth segment is sysadmins and developers.  A lot of 
people are incredulous, but it’s true: OS X still includes the tools you need, 
like a Terminal, some compilers, a package manager, a nice suite of usable 
desktop apps and an underlying UNIX environment that will run your server 
services.  I daresay as the noose tightens around the closed platforms more of 
these people will transition back to Linux, from whence they came.  And of 
course virtualisation is a thing nowadays, and Microsoft has added bash to 
Windows 10 (whelp!).

Ah, the times, they are a changin’.

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Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

Yeah, I get that as members of the church of Apple there is a certain 
jubilation at the idea of the death of commercial AT.  What I was saying was 
that, actually, I think this will hurt, while we have competition in the 
marketplace.  I was quite the GW fan, you know (my first screen reader) and at 
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to the idea of Mac users using Windows VMs with Window-Eyes inside, and that’s 
still an excellent option.

Oh, well.

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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac


Andy,

I'll tell you what, can you write me off list about this via e-mail?  If so, 
we can discuss this matter further, as you raise some very valid things 
worth us talking about privately.


My e-mail address is:

clgillan...@gmail.com

Fair enough on you wanting to learn more with text documents, etc. 
Absolutely no hard feelings there at all.

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From: "Andy" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac



Hi Chris.

Just working my way down my list of mails to read and respond to.  I've been
meaning to get back to for about 5 days since your kind offer of telephone
support.

Chris.  I live in Scotland so telephone conversations, from this side of the
pond, anyway, are very prohibitive with respect to that form of training.
Furthermore, I usually like to take important notes or record things during
training and find that text documents through JAWS, pressing the pause key
now and again, is my best way of learning.

But what I was thinking Chris.  In view of your obvious experience and
extensive knowledge base, you would be of more help to someone like me on
one-off paid consultencies.

For example, I do have two practical problems, right off the bat.  These are
namely:

1.  My computer askes for a password every time it is wakened up.

2.  VO is not on to prompt me to sign in on boot up for some reason.

I wish to get rid of having to log in entirely as it's pointless and as for
automatically going off to sleep, I think I'd really like to hold onto that
control and turn my computer off or send it to sleep if I want.

There is one other issue\:

My computer came with the magic mouse and magic keyboard.  I hate the
keyboard.

I purchased, from the Apple Store in Glasgow, a longer apple usb keyboard
with arrow keys and numeric pad.  A lovely keyboard and easy to feel your
way around.  I still need to purchase an apple usb mouse though.

But I was thinking.  At present I've two keyboards plugged in to my Imac.
One is a usb power cord and as far as I'm concerned the Magic mouse has no
way of recharging.

But in any case, surely I'd have to make some changes to settings to tell my
imac which type of mouse and keyboard I had plugged in.

So this is what I'm thinking of Chris.  If you could assist me through step
by step instructions through email, then I could perhaps do a bank transfer
for something like£25.00.  That's about $30.00.

What do you think Chris?  Do you think a consultency along this kind of
model would be something you would be interested in?  I should not use you
often but it would be reasuring to me and others I suppose if they were able
to seek  out technical support at the point of need.

Let me know what you think.

Very best wishes.
Andy Logue.
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with
VO and my new Mac


Absolutely, you are *NOT!* being annoying!  We are here to help.  It's 
quite all right, so please feel welcomed in this list.  You're perfectly 
fine.


Chris.

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- Original Message - 
From: Andy

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac



Hi again Kimber.

Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that I can 
read on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?


If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?

very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my 
questions.


Very best wishes.
Andy.

- Original Message - 
From: Kimberly

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac



The books are available as text files which can be downloaded.


Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy  wrote:


Hi Kimeer.

where these books available as text files or Braille?

I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - 
From: Kimberly

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac



Andy,


There are a couple of books available from the national Braille press that 
will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet Ingber and 
are specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one written 
for Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still

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Re: A Comment on the Mac OS Sierra Native Messaging App

To be sure, iMessage and FaceTime’s exclusivity to iPhone has been very helpful 
for me, as a simple way of filtering out the nonsense, but given that Jobs 
promised this stuff would be open, I can’t help but agree.  Interoperability is 
always for the better.

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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

Hi Cheree.

Thanks for that reference.  I'll see if I can check it out tomorrow.

Thank you for that.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
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  From: Cheree Heppe 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac


  Cheree Heppe here:
  I am liking and learning from a book on the ibooks store titled:
  Mastering the Macintosh With VoiceOver by Tim Sniphin (SP)


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:28 PM, Andy  wrote:


Hi Kimeer.

where these books available as text files or Braille?

I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac


  Andy,


  There are a couple of books available from the national Braille press 
that will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet Ingber and 
are specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one written for 
Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running Lion due to 
the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found, no lie.


  Kimber

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy  wrote:


Hi all.

I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan 
and I'm stuck.

I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, 
to get me started.

I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced that 
there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but 
unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.

So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice over 
and how to get started .

Any information would be absolutely appricieated.

Andy.

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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac


Hi Chris.

Just working my way down my list of mails to read and respond to.  I've been 
meaning to get back to for about 5 days since your kind offer of telephone 
support.


Chris.  I live in Scotland so telephone conversations, from this side of the 
pond, anyway, are very prohibitive with respect to that form of training. 
Furthermore, I usually like to take important notes or record things during 
training and find that text documents through JAWS, pressing the pause key 
now and again, is my best way of learning.


But what I was thinking Chris.  In view of your obvious experience and 
extensive knowledge base, you would be of more help to someone like me on 
one-off paid consultencies.


For example, I do have two practical problems, right off the bat.  These are 
namely:


1.  My computer askes for a password every time it is wakened up.

2.  VO is not on to prompt me to sign in on boot up for some reason.

I wish to get rid of having to log in entirely as it's pointless and as for 
automatically going off to sleep, I think I'd really like to hold onto that 
control and turn my computer off or send it to sleep if I want.


There is one other issue\:

My computer came with the magic mouse and magic keyboard.  I hate the 
keyboard.


I purchased, from the Apple Store in Glasgow, a longer apple usb keyboard 
with arrow keys and numeric pad.  A lovely keyboard and easy to feel your 
way around.  I still need to purchase an apple usb mouse though.


But I was thinking.  At present I've two keyboards plugged in to my Imac. 
One is a usb power cord and as far as I'm concerned the Magic mouse has no 
way of recharging.


But in any case, surely I'd have to make some changes to settings to tell my 
imac which type of mouse and keyboard I had plugged in.


So this is what I'm thinking of Chris.  If you could assist me through step 
by step instructions through email, then I could perhaps do a bank transfer 
for something like£25.00.  That's about $30.00.


What do you think Chris?  Do you think a consultency along this kind of 
model would be something you would be interested in?  I should not use you 
often but it would be reasuring to me and others I suppose if they were able 
to seek  out technical support at the point of need.


Let me know what you think.

Very best wishes.
Andy Logue.
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac



Absolutely, you are *NOT!* being annoying!  We are here to help.  It's 
quite all right, so please feel welcomed in this list.  You're perfectly 
fine.


Chris.

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Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: Andy

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac



Hi again Kimber.

Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that I can 
read on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?


If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?

very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my 
questions.


Very best wishes.
Andy.

- Original Message - 
From: Kimberly

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac



The books are available as text files which can be downloaded.


Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy  wrote:


Hi Kimeer.

where these books available as text files or Braille?

I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - 
From: Kimberly

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac



Andy,


There are a couple of books available from the national Braille press that 
will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet Ingber and 
are specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one written 
for Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running Lion 
due to the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found, no 
lie.



Kimber

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy  wrote:


Hi all.

I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with Elcapitan and 
I'm stuck.


I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any format, to 
get me started.


I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced that 
there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but 
unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.


So I need some form of formate media t

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Hi!
She tells me that she does not understands me.
Odd.
/A
> On 15 Jun 2016, at 18:05, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I mean, I know it won't work, but specifically what is the end result?
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> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:47 AM
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> Hi!
> WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to 
> do calculating operations as you can in the english one.
> /A
>> 15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty :
>> 
>> Yeah I'm confused
>> 
>> Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try?
>> Just curious.
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>> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>> /A
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head,
>>> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of
>>> stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
 your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
 not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
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 - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
 To: "MacVisionaries group" 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
 Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
 
 
 One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
 trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop. I
 do
 find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
 
> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom
> 
> wrote:
> 
> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably
> won’t
> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
> /Krister
> 
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
>> 
>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the
>> voice
>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been
>> enjoying
>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that
>> it’s
>> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
>> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
>> blind
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
>> user!
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

2016-06-15 Thread r a gindin


In military parlance OS=Ocean Station and S=Sierra

ag


On 6/15/16 5:11 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Scott,

  Yes the idea behind the iPad iPhone and Mac OS systems  was to eventually 
make all apple devices run on one OS and they started moving things a few years 
ago with address book changing to contacts,
  iCal changing to calendar.

  So it's happening more and more the mac book having a touch screan has got to 
be soon but then  that will mean an iPad with a keyboard or at least that is my 
view.



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Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 1:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Sabahattin, man your messages are the best to read.:)

I like the lie down and croak reference even though the Mac laying down and 
croaking makes me sad.

I do think though you’re right but remember, Steve told us years ago this was 
coming, running the same OS on everything.  As you’ve said there have been 
hints for a long long time now not the least of which was moving of an app 
store to OSX and the IOSification (is that a word) of the Mac operating system.

On the upside though, I do like the idea of a more modern filesystem.


On 6/14/16, 4:51 PM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"  wrote:


Of course, if you are a “Developer” then you can wander off and download it.  I 
have it in a VM now.  I can’t tell you anything beyond what you’ve already 
heard, but suffice it to say that the quality control will make or break it.  
When July comes around and if you can, load it into a partition or VM, and find 
out for yourself how it stacks up, and send your feedback accordingly.

Here’s what I can mention: Time Machine no longer requires AFP, and there’s a 
new file system in beta, called Apple File System, with modern features 
befitting of a proper OS.

Everything else is just iCloud integration and hence dependence on other Apple 
hardware.  Or in other words, the Mac as a platform is just looking for a quiet 
spot to lie down and croak in because it’s clear that Apple doesn’t want to 
improve the status quo there.

WWDC didn’t mention one news-worthy feature of iOS, though: you can remove most 
first-party apps now (but not Safari).

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Training materials problems resolved for Imac

Hi guys.

Over the last week I've been searching for appropriate training materials to 
help me get started on my new Imac.

I'm delighted to say that list member Kimber advised me to visit the National 
Braille Press of the USA and search for a book titled: Janet Ingber - 
Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac.

Well I did that this afternoon with sighted assistance, found the book and 
downloaded it as a single txt document all for $22.00.

This is fantastic value and the book covers everything I will need to know 
about Voice-Over, Apple Mail, Safari and so on.  So I'm delighted with this 
outcome.

So great thanks to everyone who offered advise on this matter it was very 
appriciated.

Very best wishes.
Andy Logue.

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RE: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

2016-06-15 Thread Rhonda Partain

That sounds wonderful.think I'll go and get that book myself.

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On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO 
and my new Mac

Hi again Simon.

Most of my problems are resolved my friend.

I was advised by another member to check out the National Braille Press of the 
USA and in particular, for a text book titled:

Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac

Anyway, I'm very pleased to say that I found that particular book and have 
since downloaded  it as a single text file to my Win 7 computer for $22.00.

That's very good value.  There are almost 90 pages talking about all things 
apple, in terms of the Mac.  So that's me delighted and eager to start getting 
into the chapters.

Thanks again Simon for your support.  I was feeling a bit out on a limb befor I 
wrote to the list.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message -
From: "Andy" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO 
and my new Mac


> Hi Simon.
>
> Yes, I kknow what a text document is Simon,, but I was wondering about 
> this ibook service.
>
> I'm not too sure if I'd like to try and listen to the book on my 4S 
> whilst typing in instructions into my new mac.
>
> I suppose I was half hoping that I could download these ibook titles 
> into my win7 and read them with JAWS but it looks like this is not the case.
>
> The problem I'd have downloading and reading an ibook on my mac is 
> that I'm at the stage of turning my mac on so not able to download and 
> start listening to an ibook.
>
> Perhaps in a week or so when I overcame some of my initial problems 
> with my mac, I will be in a position to benefit from materials from 
> the ibook store.
>
> Thanks symon for your help.
>
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.- Original Message -
> From: "Simon Fogarty" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
> with VO and my new Mac
>
>
>> Hi andy,
>>
>> A text file can be read with jaws,
>>
>> A text file is the default file type for the windows notepad 
>> application,
>>
>> Very simple to use with Jaws but also word, or pretty much any 
>> notepad or word processing product iBooks is a very accessible app on 
>> the iPhone or iPad, I've not used it on the mac OS x operating 
>> system.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 8:31 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me 
>> started with VO and my new Mac
>>
>> Hi Paul.
>>
>>
>> I'm currently using my Windows 7 computer to do all my mail and 
>> searching for information relating to the Mac.
>>
>> My new imac is just sitting there waiting for me to ge the confidence 
>> to get started.
>>
>> I've never used ibooks!  Are they text files that I can download and 
>> read with JAWS or do you need some special equipment or be a member 
>> or subscribe to some agency?
>>
>> If I am able to simply download a free text document type book, then 
>> that would be fantastic and I'd appriciate any relevent website were 
>> I may find these books.
>>
>> Very best sishes.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Paul Mimms" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 2:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me 
>> started with VO and my new Mac
>>
>>
>>> In iBooks, you might want to try searching for a book called 
>>> mastering the Macintosh computer with voiceover. It's free.
>>>
>>> When going the extra mile, you never run into a traffic jam!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>>
 On Jun 14, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Kimber Gardner 
 
 wrote:

 Hi Andy,

 You aren't being a pest. It's a document you can read on the computer.
 In fact there are several formats from which you can choose 
 depending on how you wish to access the book. Here is a link to the 
 most recent version of the book for those running el capitan. If 
 you need the book for yoseminy just let me know and I can send you a link.

 http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-CAPITAN.html?id=hLGdzmXA

> On 6/14/16, Andy  wrote:
> Hi again Kimber.
>
> Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that 
> I can read on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?
>
> If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?
>
> very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my 
> questions.
>
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Kim

Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac


Hi again Simon.

Most of my problems are resolved my friend.

I was advised by another member to check out the National Braille Press of 
the USA and in particular, for a text book titled:


Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac

Anyway, I'm very pleased to say that I found that particular book and have 
since downloaded  it as a single text file to my Win 7 computer for $22.00.


That's very good value.  There are almost 90 pages talking about all things 
apple, in terms of the Mac.  So that's me delighted and eager to start 
getting into the chapters.


Thanks again Simon for your support.  I was feeling a bit out on a limb 
befor I wrote to the list.


Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - 
From: "Andy" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac




Hi Simon.

Yes, I kknow what a text document is Simon,, but I was wondering about 
this ibook service.


I'm not too sure if I'd like to try and listen to the book on my 4S whilst 
typing in instructions into my new mac.


I suppose I was half hoping that I could download these ibook titles into 
my win7 and read them with JAWS but it looks like this is not the case.


The problem I'd have downloading and reading an ibook on my mac is that 
I'm at the stage of turning my mac on so not able to download and start 
listening to an ibook.


Perhaps in a week or so when I overcame some of my initial problems with 
my mac, I will be in a position to benefit from materials from the ibook 
store.


Thanks symon for your help.

Very best wishes.
Andy.- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac




Hi andy,

A text file can be read with jaws,

A text file is the default file type for the windows notepad application,

Very simple to use with Jaws but also word, or pretty much any notepad or 
word processing product
iBooks is a very accessible app on the iPhone or iPad, I've not used it 
on the mac OS x operating system.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy

Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 8:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac


Hi Paul.


I'm currently using my Windows 7 computer to do all my mail and searching 
for information relating to the Mac.


My new imac is just sitting there waiting for me to ge the confidence to 
get started.


I've never used ibooks!  Are they text files that I can download and read 
with JAWS or do you need some special equipment or be a member or 
subscribe to some agency?


If I am able to simply download a free text document type book, then that 
would be fantastic and I'd appriciate any relevent website were I may 
find these books.


Very best sishes.
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Mimms" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac




In iBooks, you might want to try searching for a book called mastering
the Macintosh computer with voiceover. It's free.

When going the extra mile, you never run into a traffic jam!

Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus


On Jun 14, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Kimber Gardner

wrote:

Hi Andy,

You aren't being a pest. It's a document you can read on the computer.
In fact there are several formats from which you can choose depending
on how you wish to access the book. Here is a link to the most recent
version of the book for those running el capitan. If you need the
book for yoseminy just let me know and I can send you a link.

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-CAPITAN.html?id=hLGdzmXA


On 6/14/16, Andy  wrote:
Hi again Kimber.

Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that I
can read on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?

If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?

very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my
questions.

Very best wishes.
Andy.

 - Original Message -
 From: Kimberly
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me
started with VO and my new Mac


 The books are available as text files which can be downloaded.


 Sent from Kimber's iPhone

 On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy  
wrote:



   Hi Kimeer.

   where these books available as text files or Braille?

   I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of 
touch.


   Very best wishes.
   Andy.
 - Original Message -
 From: Kimberly
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
 Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get

Re: external sound card needed

2016-06-15 Thread Cameron Strife

Hi. I'm selling my focusrite saffire pro 40 firewire audio/midi
interface that works with mac OSX, windows seven, eight, eight point
one, and windows ten.

Drop me an e mail if interested.

Thanks,

Cameron.




On 6/15/16, elayneh  wrote:
> hello, I am in need of a external sound card that will work on windows
> 7. I am using  jaws 13. I have the fast tract pro but, only part of the
> card works. I could not find the win 7 file only the vista file. thanks
> for any help
> I would like to use it on windows 7 and my mac pro...
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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac


Hi again Kimber.

Got it and for only $22.00

I'm going to start reading tonight or over the next few days.  I'm all 
excited now because I've a whole book with chapters on Voice over, mail, the 
internet and loads more.  I can now take my time and enjoy the learning of 
my new system.


Just need to sort out a couple of logging on and sleeping issues that are 
bugging me.


So thanks a million times for the link.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kimber Gardner" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac




Hi Andy,

You aren't being a pest. It's a document you can read on the computer.
In fact there are several formats from which you can choose depending
on how you wish to access the book. Here is a link to the most recent
version of the book for those running el capitan. If you need the book
for yoseminy just let me know and I can send you a link.

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-CAPITAN.html?id=hLGdzmXA

On 6/14/16, Andy  wrote:

Hi again Kimber.

Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that I can
read on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?

If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?

very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my 
questions.


Very best wishes.
Andy.

  - Original Message -
  From: Kimberly
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 AM
  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started
with VO and my new Mac


  The books are available as text files which can be downloaded.


  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy  wrote:


Hi Kimeer.

where these books available as text files or Braille?

I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
  - Original Message -
  From: Kimberly
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me 
started

with VO and my new Mac


  Andy,


  There are a couple of books available from the national Braille 
press
that will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet 
Ingber
and are specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one 
written
for Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running 
Lion
due to the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found, 
no

lie.


  Kimber

  Sent from Kimber's iPhone

  On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy 
wrote:


Hi all.

I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with
Elcapitan and I'm stuck.

I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any
format, to get me started.

I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced
that there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but
unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.

So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice
over and how to get started .

Any information would be absolutely appricieated.

Andy.

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Re: voice over after phone calls

thanks for this.

Letting my phone sit doesn’t seem to clear it here, though.

Cait

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Ok, so what’s happening here is the audio routing is having issues.  I’ve 
> experienced this as well.  The issue is when you place a call yu go to a 
> hands free audio profile that’s more narrow in bandwidth, more like 8KHZ 
> instead of the full spectrum.  That’s what accounts for the change in sound 
> quality.
> 
> For me, what I do is disconnect the headset if there is one, if not I just 
> let the phone sit, on, so the audio hold times out and the profile is 
> released.  Rebooting will also work.
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/15/16, 11:54 AM, "Caitlyn Furness"  behalf of caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.
> 
> After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s 
> in a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky as 
> well.
> 
> the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
> the phone.
> 
> Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore normality?
> 
> I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but 
> that’s done, at least, so they know about it.
> 
> thanks!
> Cait
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Re: voice over after phone calls

Cheers, Tim.  I’ll go try placing another call and see if that sorts it.

Cait

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:14 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> What seems to be happening here, is that your iPhone is going into Speaker 
> Phone mode, and somehow remains in that mode even after hanging up the call.  
> It is not limited to only iPhone 5 family devices, nor have I confirmed the 
> exact steps to reproduce it every time, but it has happened to me multiple 
> times on a 6S.  I was able to make it go back to normal without restarting.  
> It hasn't happened in a bit, so can't remember for sure what I did.  I 
> believe that I just placed another call, like to my VoiceMail or something, 
> then hung up the call and it fixed itself.  May have been something else, if 
> I remember, I'll repost.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:09, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Are you doing this with a bluetooth headset, as that's where I've most 
> commonly seen this.  I've had a few times where this has happened, but it's 
> seldom.  What type phone, capassity, and carrier is this you're using?  I ask 
> just in case it be hardware specific to that model.
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> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:54 AM
> Subject: voice over after phone calls
> 
> 
> Hi,
> Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.
> 
> After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s 
> in a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky as 
> well.
> 
> the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
> the phone.
> 
> Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore normality?
> 
> I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but 
> that’s done, at least, so they know about it.
> 
> thanks!
> Cait
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external sound card needed

2016-06-15 Thread elayneh

hello, I am in need of a external sound card that will work on windows 
7. I am using  jaws 13. I have the fast tract pro but, only part of the 
card works. I could not find the win 7 file only the vista file. thanks 
for any help

I would like to use it on windows 7 and my mac pro...

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

2016-06-15 Thread Pete Nalda

Yep tell it open *whatever*.com. Where *whatever*=domain

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> On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> I wasn’t basshing Siri as such, i was merely saying that i don’t think i 
> would use it (her?) and that’s simply because i’m oldfascioned and works in 
> old fascioned ways, but that’s me. I know this is off-topic and yet maybe 
> not, because it’s good to know for when Sierra comes, is there a syntax for 
> opening a web page on the iPhone with Siri?
> /Krister
> 
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 21:37 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> :
>> 
>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and 
>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may 
>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
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>> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
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>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> 
>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t 
>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I do 
>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t 
>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
 
 Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
 this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
 so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
 on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their 
 own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard 
 to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  
 still, just thought I’d ask.
 
 
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Re: voice over after phone calls

Just to interject, I haven’t had this issue with my 5S.
Gary

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Chris, it doesn’t matter, it happens on all devices including the 6S+, 6+, 
> 5S, 5 and 6SE
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/15/16, 12:10 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
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> Let me just be very clear.  You are speaking of the plain 5, not the 5S, nor 
> 5C.  Correct?
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> 
> My wife has been having this problem with her iPhone 5, since ios 9 came 
> out.
> Gary
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.
>> 
>> After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s 
>> in a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky 
>> as well.
>> 
>> the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is 
>> rebooting the phone.
>> 
>> Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore 
>> normality?
>> 
>> I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but 
>> that’s done, at least, so they know about it.
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Cait
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Re: voice over after phone calls

2016-06-15 Thread Laura M

Hi

When voiceover fails to route back through the speaker after a call, I go into 
AirPlay settings. iPhone speaker is always selected rather than iPhone audio. 
Selecting audio fixes the issue for me.  

Cheers. 

Laureates 

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Re: voice over after phone calls

Correct, it’s the plain iPhone 5, and she uses the apple earpods, not a 
bluetooth.  Although she said that  she can now fix it by turning VO off and on.
Gary

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> To: 
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> Subject: Re: voice over after phone calls
> 
> 
> My wife has been having this problem with her iPhone 5, since ios 9 came out.
> Gary
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.
>> 
>> After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s 
>> in a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky 
>> as well.
>> 
>> the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
>> the phone.
>> 
>> Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore normality?
>> 
>> I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but 
>> that’s done, at least, so they know about it.
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Cait
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Moderator Note -was- Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

2016-06-15 Thread Cara Quinn

Hey Kevin,

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On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:58 PM, Kevin Barry  wrote:

if you have indeed left the windows world, do the rest of us a favor, and leave 
this list as well.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
GW micro got bought out by AI squared.  The company doesn’t exist anymore as 
far as I know..

Cait

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
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> Cheree Heppe here:
> Isn't GW Micro part of AI Squared?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html
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>> The end is one step closer for commercial AT my friends.  It makes me very 
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>> 
>> Enjoy,
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Re: voice over after phone calls

2016-06-15 Thread David Chittenden

When that happens, try turning the headset off then on to force a reconnect. 
Or, press the call disconnect button to tell iOS that it is supposed to route 
the call to the headset (depends on the headset, some this does not work). 
Basically, iOS tries to remember where you want the call routed. Sometimes it 
gets confused. I suspect this is an occasional bug with VoiceOver.

There is a sound button on the call screen. If this is double-tapped, one has a 
short time to select the Bluetooth headset rather than speakerphone or handset. 
I have found the glitch here. It gets difficult to select the headset profile. 
I need to try a few times before the selection sticks.

That said, iOS will remember each Bluetooth device profile settings separate. 
Thus, if using a Bluetooth speaker; one can have the iPhone answer the call, 
whilst when using a headset, the call can be routed there.

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> On 16 Jun 2016, at 04:18, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Sounds exactly like my experience. BT headset works just fine until the 
> other side answers then it goes to speaker. Very disconcerting.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 6/15/2016 9:14 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What seems to be happening here, is that your iPhone is going into Speaker 
>> Phone mode, and somehow remains in that mode even after hanging up the call. 
>>  It is not limited to only iPhone 5 family devices, nor have I confirmed the 
>> exact steps to reproduce it every time, but it has happened to me multiple 
>> times on a 6S.  I was able to make it go back to normal without restarting.  
>> It hasn't happened in a bit, so can't remember for sure what I did.  I 
>> believe that I just placed another call, like to my VoiceMail or something, 
>> then hung up the call and it fixed itself.  May have been something else, if 
>> I remember, I'll repost.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:09, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you doing this with a bluetooth headset, as that's where I've most 
>> commonly seen this.  I've had a few times where this has happened, but it's 
>> seldom.  What type phone, capassity, and carrier is this you're using?  I 
>> ask just in case it be hardware specific to that model.
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>> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:54 AM
>> Subject: voice over after phone calls
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.
>> 
>> After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s 
>> in a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky 
>> as well.
>> 
>> the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
>> the phone.
>> 
>> Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore normality?
>> 
>> I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but 
>> that’s done, at least, so they know about it.
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Cait
>> 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

2016-06-15 Thread christopher hallsworth

Fusion will do it. Parallels is not accessible with VoiceOver. So gotta be the 
former .
> On 15 Jun 2016, at 09:39, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> So what VM tool are you using to run your mac os VMs?
> 
> 
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> Of course, if you are a “Developer” then you can wander off and download it.  
> I have it in a VM now.  I can’t tell you anything beyond what you’ve already 
> heard, but suffice it to say that the quality control will make or break it.  
> When July comes around and if you can, load it into a partition or VM, and 
> find out for yourself how it stacks up, and send your feedback accordingly.
> 
> Here’s what I can mention: Time Machine no longer requires AFP, and there’s a 
> new file system in beta, called Apple File System, with modern features 
> befitting of a proper OS.
> 
> Everything else is just iCloud integration and hence dependence on other 
> Apple hardware.  Or in other words, the Mac as a platform is just looking for 
> a quiet spot to lie down and croak in because it’s clear that Apple doesn’t 
> want to improve the status quo there.
> 
> WWDC didn’t mention one news-worthy feature of iOS, though: you can remove 
> most first-party apps now (but not Safari).
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Re: hotspots within apps

Chris:
thanks a lot for the call to clarify what you are talking about. This 
should work wonderfully, and help transform the software as a service 
platforms i'm working with as well, since i can now set hot spots based on 
the domain two!
Keep being wonderful!
best.
michael


On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 8:06:20 AM UTC-7, Gilland Marketing wrote:
>
> Mike, yeah, you need to set the hotspot, then while the app is opened, go 
> into the VO Utility.  Create a hotspot, then within the hotspot, you may 
> have to check the box for other settings, I don't remember, but there 
> should 
> be a checkbox to store hotspots within the activity.  So once that's 
> checked, name the activity, then attach it to the application accordingly. 
>
> Then, things should work. 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "michael babcock" > 
> To: > 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:37 PM 
> Subject: hotspots within apps 
>
>
> Is it possible to set the same hotspot for example VO + ) to some place 
> independent of the application? Maybe a setting I might have to change in 
> voiceover, as whenever I set VO+0 to a place within an application outside 
> of chrome, this hotspot no longer takes me to the utility in my toolbar in 
> chrome that I have originally set it to, so I have to find that location 
> and 
> reset the hotspot. Then of course it doesn't work in the other application 
> I 
> set that same hotspot two. This being said, does this mean that I only 
> have 
> 10 hotspot system wide? 
> OSX Version, 10.11.5 
> Best. 
> Michael 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Chris, the end result if you tried doing a calculation with Siri in Sweden, 
would be something along the lines of ”here’s what i found on the web about 
2+2” or something similar.
/Krister

> 15 juni 2016 kl. 18:05 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :
> 
> I mean, I know it won't work, but specifically what is the end result?
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:47 AM
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> Hi!
> WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to 
> do calculating operations as you can in the english one.
> /A
>> 15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty :
>> 
>> Yeah I'm confused
>> 
>> Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try?
>> Just curious.
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>> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>> /A
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head,
>>> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of
>>> stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
 your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
 not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
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 - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
 To: "MacVisionaries group" 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
 Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
 
 
 One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
 trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop. I
 do
 find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
 
> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom
> 
> wrote:
> 
> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably
> won’t
> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
> /Krister
> 
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
>> 
>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the
>> voice
>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been
>> enjoying
>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that
>> it’s
>> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
>> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
>> blind
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
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Re: hotspots within apps

Anne:
thanks for this.
best.
michael

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 10:56:44 PM UTC-7, Anne Robertson wrote:
>
> Hello Michael, 
>
> Since the Date&Time script is only in English, I set a hotspot on the 
> appropriate field in the status menus on a computer running in French, and 
> it worked everywhere. However, I couldn’t use that particular hotspot for 
> anything else in any application. So, as long as you use hotspots within an 
> application, you have all ten of them to reuse wherever you like, but if 
> you set one on a field that appears on all screens, you can only use it for 
> that one purpose. 
>
> Cheers, 
>
> Anne 
>
>
>
> > On 15 Jun 2016, at 01:37, michael babcock  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Is it possible to set the same hotspot for example VO + ) to some place 
> independent of the application? Maybe a setting I might have to change in 
> voiceover, as whenever I set VO+0 to a place within an application outside 
> of chrome, this hotspot no longer takes me to the utility in my toolbar in 
> chrome that I have originally set it to, so I have to find that location 
> and reset the hotspot. Then of course it doesn't work in the other 
> application I set that same hotspot two. This being said, does this mean 
> that I only have 10 hotspot system wide? 
> > OSX Version, 10.11.5 
> > Best. 
> > Michael 
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Re: hotspots within apps

Chris:
thanks for this, but you have highly confused me.
so do i set hot spot, then set activity up?
or set activity up then hot spot?


On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 8:06:20 AM UTC-7, Gilland Marketing wrote:
>
> Mike, yeah, you need to set the hotspot, then while the app is opened, go 
> into the VO Utility.  Create a hotspot, then within the hotspot, you may 
> have to check the box for other settings, I don't remember, but there 
> should 
> be a checkbox to store hotspots within the activity.  So once that's 
> checked, name the activity, then attach it to the application accordingly. 
>
> Then, things should work. 
> --- 
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010. 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "michael babcock" > 
> To: > 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:37 PM 
> Subject: hotspots within apps 
>
>
> Is it possible to set the same hotspot for example VO + ) to some place 
> independent of the application? Maybe a setting I might have to change in 
> voiceover, as whenever I set VO+0 to a place within an application outside 
> of chrome, this hotspot no longer takes me to the utility in my toolbar in 
> chrome that I have originally set it to, so I have to find that location 
> and 
> reset the hotspot. Then of course it doesn't work in the other application 
> I 
> set that same hotspot two. This being said, does this mean that I only 
> have 
> 10 hotspot system wide? 
> OSX Version, 10.11.5 
> Best. 
> Michael 
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Re: need help with external bootable drive

Okay, thanks for the suggestions.  I;ll look into it and see what I find.
Gary
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:37 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> Hi, is it possible that snowleppard isn't supported by the modern bootloader 
> on your 2013-2014 systems?  I don't see why this shouldn't work, but maybe if 
> you google the above you will turn something up.
> 
> Also, if you happen to have either another old hard drive or a 128 gb sd 
> card, why not try a clean install of snow leopard using your modern mac and 
> see if it flies?  Then swap the media back into your old machine and see if 
> it boots?
> 
> Finally, as I'm writing, I seem to recall that network administrators had 
> some issue with deployment on snow leopard.  Unfortunately that was 7 or so 
> years ago, and I don't remember what the issue was.  It's possible that Snow 
> Leopard was restricted to run on the hardware where the installation was 
> performed, especially if you used the home version and not the server version.
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
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> Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!  
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> with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
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>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Gary > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I need a guru.  
>> 
>> Using my 2008 iMac with Snow Leopard installed, I installed Snow Leopard on 
>> a 1TB external drive. I created a GUID partitioned and formatted it as OS X 
>> Extended Journaled. Using the Option key at start up I can boot up using the 
>> external drive. However, I can’t seem to boot up the external drive on my 
>> 2013 iMac nor my 2014 Macbook Pro, both running El Capitan.
>> 
>> When I start my 2013 iMac or MB Pro, while holding down the option button, 
>> my snow leopard device appears on the list of bootable devices.  When I 
>> select it, it proceeds to, the Apple logo screen, but it doesn’t say loading 
>> nor can I see a cursor nor the spinning progress indicator, and it just sits 
>> there.  This is true for both systems.  Of course, I had sighted assistance 
>> with the visual things.
>> 
>> Does anyone know what’s happening with my external drive or how I can fix 
>> it?  I need Snow Leopard for an old app and want to upgrade my 2008 iMac to 
>> Mavericks, which i’m already in the middle of.
>> Gary
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Re: voice over after phone calls


OK, I just wanted to be sure.
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From: "Scott Granados" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: voice over after phone calls


Chris, it doesn’t matter, it happens on all devices including the 6S+, 6+, 
5S, 5 and 6SE




On 6/15/16, 12:10 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


Let me just be very clear.  You are speaking of the plain 5, not the 5S, nor
5C.  Correct?
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: voice over after phone calls


My wife has been having this problem with her iPhone 5, since ios 9 came
out.
Gary


On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
wrote:

Hi,
Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.

After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s
in a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky
as well.

the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is
rebooting the phone.

Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore
normality?

I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but
that’s done, at least, so they know about it.

thanks!
Cait

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Re: OS mac and vo

2016-06-15 Thread Danny Noonan

Every time I do f7 to spell check the app crashes and even with auto save on 
document is locked. That's my problem with office. Sigh. 

Danny

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Jun 2016, at 12:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi I’m not Simon but let me tell you about my experiences and i don’t know if 
> this has gotten different:
> In word, when reading long documents, the focus tends to jump to the 
> beginning of a text after several pages of reading, making it a bit tricky to 
> read longish documents. That’s what i’ve noticed.
> /Krister
> 
>> 15 juni 2016 kl. 16:34 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> Simon, what are you finding wrong with office?  I’m using it, just started 
>> and actually like it.  I might not be smart enough to know otherwise 
>> though.:)  What’s the issues in your mind with office?
>>  
>> Thanks
>>  
>>  
>> From:  on behalf of Simon Fogarty 
>> 
>> Reply-To: 
>> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:22 AM
>> To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
>> Subject: OS mac and vo
>>  
>> Hi list,
>>  
>> Just thinking about another thing with in the new upcoming mac os sierra 
>>  Will voiceover for mac os be any better with applications such as ms office 
>> 2016 
>>  
>> I’ve noticed that it’s still not great although better than 2011 ofice 
>>  
>> And although this probably can’t be answered honestly,
>> For those that are dev beta testers, this would be good to know if you can 
>> test it out?
>>  
>> Cheers,
>>  
>>  
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Re: need help with external bootable drive

Hi, is it possible that snowleppard isn't supported by the modern bootloader on 
your 2013-2014 systems?  I don't see why this shouldn't work, but maybe if you 
google the above you will turn something up.

Also, if you happen to have either another old hard drive or a 128 gb sd card, 
why not try a clean install of snow leopard using your modern mac and see if it 
flies?  Then swap the media back into your old machine and see if it boots?

Finally, as I'm writing, I seem to recall that network administrators had some 
issue with deployment on snow leopard.  Unfortunately that was 7 or so years 
ago, and I don't remember what the issue was.  It's possible that Snow Leopard 
was restricted to run on the hardware where the installation was performed, 
especially if you used the home version and not the server version.

Best,

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> On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Gary  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> I need a guru.  
> 
> Using my 2008 iMac with Snow Leopard installed, I installed Snow Leopard on a 
> 1TB external drive. I created a GUID partitioned and formatted it as OS X 
> Extended Journaled. Using the Option key at start up I can boot up using the 
> external drive. However, I can’t seem to boot up the external drive on my 
> 2013 iMac nor my 2014 Macbook Pro, both running El Capitan.
> 
> When I start my 2013 iMac or MB Pro, while holding down the option button, my 
> snow leopard device appears on the list of bootable devices.  When I select 
> it, it proceeds to, the Apple logo screen, but it doesn’t say loading nor can 
> I see a cursor nor the spinning progress indicator, and it just sits there.  
> This is true for both systems.  Of course, I had sighted assistance with the 
> visual things.
> 
> Does anyone know what’s happening with my external drive or how I can fix it? 
>  I need Snow Leopard for an old app and want to upgrade my 2008 iMac to 
> Mavericks, which i’m already in the middle of.
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Re: voice over after phone calls

Chris, it doesn’t matter, it happens on all devices including the 6S+, 6+, 5S, 
5 and 6SE



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Let me just be very clear.  You are speaking of the plain 5, not the 5S, nor 
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Subject: Re: voice over after phone calls


My wife has been having this problem with her iPhone 5, since ios 9 came 
out.
Gary

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
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> Hi,
> Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.
>
> After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s 
> in a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky 
> as well.
>
> the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is 
> rebooting the phone.
>
> Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore 
> normality?
>
> I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but 
> that’s done, at least, so they know about it.
>
> thanks!
> Cait
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Re: voice over after phone calls

I have seen this happen, especialy recently with both Bluetooth headsets and 
with out.

Also, parallel to this, when I hang up a call with the Bluetooth headset 
attached, the last song or radio app automatically starts playing.  It stops 
when I shut off the headset.


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Are you doing this with a bluetooth headset, as that's where I've most 
commonly seen this.  I've had a few times where this has happened, but it's 
seldom.  What type phone, capassity, and carrier is this you're using?  I 
ask just in case it be hardware specific to that model.
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Subject: voice over after phone calls


Hi,
Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.

After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s 
in a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky 
as well.

the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
the phone.

Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore 
normality?

I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but that’s 
done, at least, so they know about it.

thanks!
Cait

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Re: need help with external bootable drive

2016-06-15 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

As far as I can tell, the newer Macs will not boot to 10.6.8.  It's kind of a 
hardware thing.  Macs usually will not boot from a system prior to the system 
that was released with that unit.  You can upgrade to newer systems, but 
downgrading or booting from a MacOS prior is usually not supported or extremely 
difficult to work.  It's set in the CPU, I believe.

Later...

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On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:07, Gary  wrote:

Hi everyone,
I need a guru.  

Using my 2008 iMac with Snow Leopard installed, I installed Snow Leopard on a 
1TB external drive. I created a GUID partitioned and formatted it as OS X 
Extended Journaled. Using the Option key at start up I can boot up using the 
external drive. However, I can’t seem to boot up the external drive on my 2013 
iMac nor my 2014 Macbook Pro, both running El Capitan.

When I start my 2013 iMac or MB Pro, while holding down the option button, my 
snow leopard device appears on the list of bootable devices.  When I select it, 
it proceeds to, the Apple logo screen, but it doesn’t say loading nor can I see 
a cursor nor the spinning progress indicator, and it just sits there.  This is 
true for both systems.  Of course, I had sighted assistance with the visual 
things.

Does anyone know what’s happening with my external drive or how I can fix it?  
I need Snow Leopard for an old app and want to upgrade my 2008 iMac to 
Mavericks, which i’m already in the middle of.
Gary

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Re: voice over after phone calls

Ok, so what’s happening here is the audio routing is having issues.  I’ve 
experienced this as well.  The issue is when you place a call yu go to a hands 
free audio profile that’s more narrow in bandwidth, more like 8KHZ instead of 
the full spectrum.  That’s what accounts for the change in sound quality.

For me, what I do is disconnect the headset if there is one, if not I just let 
the phone sit, on, so the audio hold times out and the profile is released.  
Rebooting will also work.



On 6/15/16, 11:54 AM, "Caitlyn Furness"  wrote:

Hi,
Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.

After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s in 
a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky as well.

the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
the phone.

Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore normality?

I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but that’s 
done, at least, so they know about it.

thanks!
Cait

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Re: voice over after phone calls

   Sounds exactly like my experience. BT headset works just fine until 
the other side answers then it goes to speaker. Very disconcerting.


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On 6/15/2016 9:14 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

What seems to be happening here, is that your iPhone is going into Speaker 
Phone mode, and somehow remains in that mode even after hanging up the call.  
It is not limited to only iPhone 5 family devices, nor have I confirmed the 
exact steps to reproduce it every time, but it has happened to me multiple 
times on a 6S.  I was able to make it go back to normal without restarting.  It 
hasn't happened in a bit, so can't remember for sure what I did.  I believe 
that I just placed another call, like to my VoiceMail or something, then hung 
up the call and it fixed itself.  May have been something else, if I remember, 
I'll repost.

Later...

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On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:09, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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Are you doing this with a bluetooth headset, as that's where I've most commonly 
seen this.  I've had a few times where this has happened, but it's seldom.  
What type phone, capassity, and carrier is this you're using?  I ask just in 
case it be hardware specific to that model.
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- Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: voice over after phone calls


Hi,
Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.

After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s in 
a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky as well.

the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
the phone.

Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore normality?

I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but that’s 
done, at least, so they know about it.

thanks!
Cait



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Re: voice over after phone calls

2016-06-15 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

What seems to be happening here, is that your iPhone is going into Speaker 
Phone mode, and somehow remains in that mode even after hanging up the call.  
It is not limited to only iPhone 5 family devices, nor have I confirmed the 
exact steps to reproduce it every time, but it has happened to me multiple 
times on a 6S.  I was able to make it go back to normal without restarting.  It 
hasn't happened in a bit, so can't remember for sure what I did.  I believe 
that I just placed another call, like to my VoiceMail or something, then hung 
up the call and it fixed itself.  May have been something else, if I remember, 
I'll repost.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:09, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Are you doing this with a bluetooth headset, as that's where I've most commonly 
seen this.  I've had a few times where this has happened, but it's seldom.  
What type phone, capassity, and carrier is this you're using?  I ask just in 
case it be hardware specific to that model.
---
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Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: voice over after phone calls


Hi,
Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.

After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s in 
a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky as well.

the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
the phone.

Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore normality?

I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but that’s 
done, at least, so they know about it.

thanks!
Cait

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

2016-06-15 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk 
institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there are 
many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my kids 
elementary school last night where they were going to help fund buying 
60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be Macs 
but I also understand how painful it would be to integrate/support them 
in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they were $400 a pop with all 
the apps installed. For generic web surfing and wordprocessing boxes 
that little kids are going to beat up, do you really want to put pearls 
before swine? You won't find wood fired chestnut pancakes or pasta 
ncasciata in the school cafeteria either. For those who have thought 
about it and get to choose, the Mac is a compelling solution.


CB

On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.

Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted.  Not 
to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a wee 
sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random odd family 
jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I wanted.  That’s 
when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did with my Apple Cat modem.  (I 
would like to personally thank who ever thought it was a good idea to include a 
full function tone generator, voice synthesizer, DTMF decoder, sampler and 
expansion capabilities on a modem and the FBI would not like to thank you but 
that’s for another list)  The point is, that was solid thinking I coul get 
behind.  The battle between the Steves for the number of expansion slots, the 
great built in language (Apple Soft), and on and on and on.  Woz was definitely 
more on the openness side and so am I so I can see your hope that he would rise 
again although I’m not betting on it.
I had the privilege of meeting him a few times once at a very small 
Scotch and Cigar function with maybe 25 people.  Very grounded, friendly, 
unassuming guy, totally a geeky engineer which I totally dig.  Funny how 
opposite the two Steves were.

I hope what you say comes to pass in that at least something will persist on 
the notebook side.

I’m a little surprised of the downfall of the mac only because of how many are 
out there now.  Up here anyway, every Starbucks is full of people on Macs, huge 
employers are all Mac now including Fidelity and Thomson International, and 
since about 2013 or so all the gigs I’ve worked on were Mac shops not by choice 
but by luck.  With such a hold on laptops especially I’d think they would like 
to keep that but I fear your right.  The cool enhanced Unix environment is 
slowly being squeezed.  I wonder if there will be a day where terminal isn’t 
included with the Mac.  I believe that would be the day I go elsewhere.




On 6/15/16, 6:00 AM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"  wrote:


Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)

Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if Apple 
were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a proper 
workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead committed 
 to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a workstation OS is 
something I believe a certain class of computer users (including me and 
probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on OSXDaily ( obsolete 
name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( awesome name :) ) sums it up 
very well:


I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it into a 
candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.

For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech world, 
and OS X was his centerpiece.

Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.

I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple that 
have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now hope there 
is a coup happening inside of Apple.

Woz, where are you?

Stay strong osxdaily.

Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.

I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 
2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming.  Others 
here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh.  Things have 
changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations 
and Apple became a consumer electronics company.  The neglect of the Mac has 
gone from being a minor but understandable irritant to a full-scale domestic 
assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right.  I should have seen that.  
But it did offer exciting new features, and at least one of them, Resume, is 
noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and Windows.  I won’t rehash my views about 
the systemic degradation of OS

Re: voice over after phone calls

Let me just be very clear.  You are speaking of the plain 5, not the 5S, nor 
5C.  Correct?

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From: "Gary" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: voice over after phone calls


My wife has been having this problem with her iPhone 5, since ios 9 came 
out.

Gary

On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
wrote:


Hi,
Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.

After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s 
in a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky 
as well.


the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is 
rebooting the phone.


Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore 
normality?


I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but 
that’s done, at least, so they know about it.


thanks!
Cait

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Re: voice over after phone calls

thanks.

It started on my phone recently, like, within the last couple of weeks.

I am running the latest OS on an i phone 6 plus.

Cait

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Gary  wrote:
> 
> My wife has been having this problem with her iPhone 5, since ios 9 came out.
> Gary
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.
>> 
>> After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s 
>> in a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky 
>> as well.
>> 
>> the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
>> the phone.
>> 
>> Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore normality?
>> 
>> I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but 
>> that’s done, at least, so they know about it.
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Cait
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Re: voice over after phone calls

Are you doing this with a bluetooth headset, as that's where I've most 
commonly seen this.  I've had a few times where this has happened, but it's 
seldom.  What type phone, capassity, and carrier is this you're using?  I 
ask just in case it be hardware specific to that model.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Caitlyn Furness" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: voice over after phone calls


Hi,
Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.

After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s 
in a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky 
as well.


the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
the phone.


Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore 
normality?


I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but that’s 
done, at least, so they know about it.


thanks!
Cait

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need help with external bootable drive

Hi everyone,
 I need a guru.  

Using my 2008 iMac with Snow Leopard installed, I installed Snow Leopard on a 
1TB external drive. I created a GUID partitioned and formatted it as OS X 
Extended Journaled. Using the Option key at start up I can boot up using the 
external drive. However, I can’t seem to boot up the external drive on my 2013 
iMac nor my 2014 Macbook Pro, both running El Capitan.

When I start my 2013 iMac or MB Pro, while holding down the option button, my 
snow leopard device appears on the list of bootable devices.  When I select it, 
it proceeds to, the Apple logo screen, but it doesn’t say loading nor can I see 
a cursor nor the spinning progress indicator, and it just sits there.  This is 
true for both systems.  Of course, I had sighted assistance with the visual 
things.

Does anyone know what’s happening with my external drive or how I can fix it?  
I need Snow Leopard for an old app and want to upgrade my 2008 iMac to 
Mavericks, which i’m already in the middle of.
Gary

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Re: voice over after phone calls

   Yes its iOS 9.x that has introduced some strange issues for VO and 
Bluetooth headsets as well.


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in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/15/2016 9:03 AM, Gary wrote:

My wife has been having this problem with her iPhone 5, since ios 9 came out.
Gary


On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:

Hi,
Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.

After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s in 
a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky as well.

the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
the phone.

Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore normality?

I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but that’s 
done, at least, so they know about it.

thanks!
Cait

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


I mean, I know it won't work, but specifically what is the end result?
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From: "Anders Holmberg" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi!
WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to 
do calculating operations as you can in the english one.

/A

15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty :

Yeah I'm confused

Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan

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What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try?
Just curious.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi!
Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with 
Siri.

You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
/A

14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados :

Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head,
doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of
stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.


On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"

wrote:


I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who 
may

not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Nalda" 

To: "MacVisionaries group" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop. 
I

do
find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.


On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom

wrote:

Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably
won’t
use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
/Krister


14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :

Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the
voice
so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been
enjoying
on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that
it’s
hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
user!

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


What happens if you try?  Just am curious?
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- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi!
WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to 
do calculating operations as you can in the english one.

/A

15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty :

Yeah I'm confused

Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan

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Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try?
Just curious.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Anders Holmberg" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi!
Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with 
Siri.

You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
/A

14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados :

Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head,
doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of
stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.


On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"

wrote:


I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who 
may

not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
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From: "Pete Nalda" 

To: "MacVisionaries group" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop. 
I

do
find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.


On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom

wrote:

Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably
won’t
use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
/Krister


14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :

Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the
voice
so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been
enjoying
on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that
it’s
hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind
built-in

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Re: voice over after phone calls

My wife has been having this problem with her iPhone 5, since ios 9 came out.
Gary

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.
> 
> After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s 
> in a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky as 
> well.
> 
> the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
> the phone.
> 
> Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore normality?
> 
> I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but 
> that’s done, at least, so they know about it.
> 
> thanks!
> Cait
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Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

Hi Sabahattin,

The reason for all the joy surrounding this is not so much that vfo is a great 
company and the move is going to lead to better products and services.  By not 
so much, of course I mean not at all.  No, the reason to celebrate is that all 
of the smart players in the commercial AT industry are getting out.  First code 
factory, then GW micro. Now AISquared.  I really wish the AISquared group had 
been baught by humanware just so that we could have some composition, but that 
would prolong the agony.  Clearly, vfo has a 5 or 10 year plan to exit the 
screen reader market altogether.  Either that or they just enjoy squandering 
money.  Either way, this is one more nail in the coffin for commercial screen 
readers.  That's where the rejoicing stems from.

Best,


Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or 
Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!  
http://www.theoutofworkbum.work
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons 
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> 
> Am I really the only one not dancing with joy here? GW do great work; FS I 
> am, ahem, rather less enthusiastic about. :)
> 
> And be careful what you wish for.  You’ve seen what can happen when vendors 
> take on accessibility, for any number of reasons, good or bad, but which 
> don’t include the best reason of all, to actively support the needs of those 
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voice over after phone calls

Hi,
Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.

After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s in 
a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky as well.

the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
the phone.

Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore normality?

I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but that’s 
done, at least, so they know about it.

thanks!
Cait

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Hi!
Don’t know actually.
I didn’t try it when i had an android phone.
/A
> 15 juni 2016 kl. 04:54 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Wow, so Siri isn’t consistent between nations?
> 
> Really?
> 
> Is it a language processing problem or what do you think?  How’s google’s 
> product in the same area, better?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/14/16, 6:49 PM, "Anders Holmberg"  behalf of and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>> /A
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, doing 
>>> complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of stuff.  
>>> That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and 
 your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may 
 not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
 ---
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 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Pete Nalda" 
 To: "MacVisionaries group" 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
 Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
 
 
 One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t 
 trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I 
 do 
 find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
 
> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
> won’t 
> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
> /Krister
> 
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
>> 
>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the 
>> voice 
>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been 
>> enjoying 
>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had 
>> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
>> it’s 
>> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light 
>> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Hi!
WWhat i meant was that in the Swedish version of Siri you can not ask her to  
do calculating operations as you can in the english one.
/A
> 15 juni 2016 kl. 11:06 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> Yeah I'm confused 
> 
> Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? 
> Just curious.
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Anders Holmberg" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> Hi!
> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
> /A
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, 
>> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of 
>> stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
>>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
>>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Pete Nalda" 
>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
>>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I 
>>> do
>>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>> 
 On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom 
 
 wrote:
 
 Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
 won’t
 use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
 /Krister
 
> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
> 
> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the 
> voice
> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been 
> enjoying
> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
> it’s
> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
> blind
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV 
> user!
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Hi!
I have to change Siri to English to make her do what you can expect her to.
She does not understand english when she is set to Swedish and vice versa.
/A
> 15 juni 2016 kl. 01:51 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :
> 
> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? Just 
> curious.
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> JAWS Certified, 2016.
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> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> Hi!
> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
> /A
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, doing 
>> complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of stuff.  
>> That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
>>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
>>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
>>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I do
>>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>> 
 On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom 
 wrote:
 
 Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t
 use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
 /Krister
 
> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
> 
> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice
> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying
> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
> it’s
> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
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Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

I'm thinking he means his messages are arriving in his inbox in descending 
order instead of ascending.

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Kevin, can you explain what you mean about the email delivery?  Are you 
saying that you get replies before the messages to which the replies apply?


Simon, yep GW are a bit hard to touch from outside the US of A, you have to 
go through their dealerships.  Although perhaps, now that they’re part of 
the VFO group, it will be easier to order online from them.  I could never 
understand why AT vendors are so unwilling to sell internationally; after 
all, it’s just software and many countries exempt taxes for certain 
special-use goods …


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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

I'll definitely agree with Simon on the note that touch navigation on Apple 
products is steller! compared to anything on Windows.  I'm not saying it 
can't be done on Windows with leading screen readers, so don't get that 
impression.  It's just very very difficult, at best.

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Subject: RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi that's what I thought you'd be using.

As for a touch screan mac,
Hell already the iPad and IOS are better than the windows equiv which would 
be the surface or surface pro,


At least the IOS operating system is accessible out of the box
The surface is a slab with stuff all accessibility

Good rant, and I don't use a bag, I just throw up out the window.

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Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)

Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if 
Apple were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a 
proper workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead 
committed  to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a 
workstation OS is something I believe a certain class of computer users 
(including me and probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on 
OSXDaily ( obsolete name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( 
awesome name :) ) sums it up very well:


I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it 
into a candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.


For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech 
world, and OS X was his centerpiece.


Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.

I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple 
that have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now 
hope there is a coup happening inside of Apple.


Woz, where are you?

Stay strong osxdaily.


Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.

I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 
2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming. 
Others here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh. 
Things have changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his 
newest iCreations and Apple became a consumer electronics company.  The 
neglect of the Mac has gone from being a minor but understandable irritant 
to a full-scale domestic assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right. 
I should have seen that.  But it did offer exciting new features, and at 
least one of them, Resume, is noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and Windows. 
I won’t rehash my views about the systemic degradation of OS X since Snow 
since I’ve flogged it to death on here before ( and you know how it is with 
people who think Apple is perfect no matter what they do :) ), but suffice 
it to say that I (and, it would appear, many others) thought I was getting 
something better at the time Lion came out: an operating system that 
combined the robustness of the Mac with some of that rare, task-oriented 
simplicity and beauty of iOS.  But instead of a pair of operating systems 
each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality and paradigm, and 
perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the others’ virtues, or an 
inevitable transition to a lean, mean, mobile platform that’s open enough to 
be used as a proper computer all by itself, we get a locked-down toy OS that 
struggles to be taken seriously as a proper computer OS, despite the fact 
that it’s competition is succeeding it in Business (Microsoft Surface), and 
an increasingly useless and trivialised desktop OS with nothing to recommend 
it over the laughingstock that was its former competition, and whose 
usefulness is severely being compromised by its need to lock you in to Apple’s 
services, the lack of upgradability of hardware, and the need for Apple’s 
other ecosystem devices.  Oh my, how things have changed …


Still I hold out hope that the transition will eventually be completed.  The 
Mac will die (sorry fanboys, but it’s true) and iOS, while it will be 
inferior because of its close ties to Apple, will be one platform for doing 
your computing.  Maybe that’s a version of reality I could cope with.  Apple 
would cater to the demands of the market, either destroying the Mac’s 
advantages (say, by hosting services for you) or improving the hardware. 
The form factor that the Mac represents, especially the keyboard-and-mouse 
interface, or maybe even the keyboard-and-touchscreen, will be catered for, 
as will th

Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

People need to actually read the messages they are responding to, instead of 
flying off the cuff all the time.
anyway, back to regular list type stuff..
Cait

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Kevin Barry  wrote:
> 
>  Or, if my message was uncalled for, likewise, was the message I responded 
> to. I disagree;
> 
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, E.T.  > wrote:
>Is there never to be an end to this playground behavior?
> 
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> 
> On 6/14/2016 2:58 PM, Kevin Barry wrote:
> if you have indeed left the windows world, do the rest of us a favor,
> and leave this list as well.
> 
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Caitlyn Furness 
> >> wrote:
> 
> GW micro got bought out by AI squared.  The company doesn’t exist
> anymore as far as I know..
> 
> Cait
> 
> On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Cheree Heppe > wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> Isn't GW Micro part of AI Squared?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:57 AM, erik burggraaf
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html
>  
> 
> 
> The end is one step closer for commercial AT my friends.  It
> makes me very glad I have my macbook.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB
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Re: OS mac and vo

I'm a dev, so that's actually a really great idea!  I'll test it out and report 
to Apple anything I find.  Not a half bad idea.
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  Subject: OS mac and vo


  Hi list,

   

  Just thinking about another thing with in the new upcoming mac os sierra 

   Will voiceover for mac os be any better with applications such as ms office 
2016 

   

  I’ve noticed that it’s still not great although better than 2011 ofice 

   

  And although this probably can’t be answered honestly,

  For those that are dev beta testers, this would be good to know if you can 
test it out?

   

  Cheers,

   

   

  Simon F

   


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Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

Who ever said I’ve left the windows world??

I was just explaining to Cheree about this AI Squared thing.

I don’t care what OS people use.

Chill out!

Cait

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> GW micro got bought out by AI squared.  The company doesn’t exist anymore as 
> far as I know..
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Cheree Heppe > > wrote:
>> 
>> Cheree Heppe here:
>> Isn't GW Micro part of AI Squared?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:57 AM, erik burggraaf > > wrote:
>> 
>>> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The end is one step closer for commercial AT my friends.  It makes me very 
>>> glad I have my macbook.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


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From: "Simon Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 4:30 AM
Subject: RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Chris,

I'd like her to be able to make a coffee if I need one?



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Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 7:35 AM
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Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
comments to the borderline without breaking anything.


I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri.  Would 
the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot reveal if 
it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not already there, 
nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end to put it in as a 
dev feedback request, provided it's not there already.  Either way, you'll 
have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, if it be wanted by 
you guys.


Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha ia 
if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?

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To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this
Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m
not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our
iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own
impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to
get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still,
just thought I’d ask.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
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Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

There are kids, and there are kids. Some kids have it right. Those I
do not want near my Mac for fear of being shown how to use it. (smiles)

As to toys, I have a new one, you know about that. I will put it
online today.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/15/2016 7:22 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Of course not, that’s the go to move to try to silence someone. What a nimrod.
Instead of being constructive and countering with valid points he cries and
wants someone to leave. Wh I’m going to take my toys and go play with
someone else.

Hey at least we know that Apple products are so well designed and easy to use
that even a toddler / infant can use them.

Appropriate filters updated.

On 6/14/16, 6:01 PM, "E.T." wrote:

Is there never to be an end to this playground behavior?

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On 6/14/2016 2:58 PM, Kevin Barry wrote:

if you have indeed left the windows world, do the rest of us a favor,
and leave this list as well.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Caitlyn Furness mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

GW micro got bought out by AI squared. The company doesn’t exist
anymore as far as I know..

Cait

On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
Isn't GW Micro part of AI Squared?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:57 AM, erik burggraaf
wrote:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html

The end is one step closer for commercial AT my friends. It
makes me very glad I have my macbook.

Enjoy,

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Even still,

Meh.

OK, that's definitely a bit better than what I initially thought was Zoey, but 
I'm still not crazy about it.
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  From: Shawn Krasniuk 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:18 PM
  Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


  That's because the voice you hear when you enter the page is Ava. To hear 
what Zoe sounds like, press VO+Command+J until you hear Gender. Click on it and 
VO+Right to select female. Press VO+Space. Next, go to the voice and press 
VO+space. Select Zoe by doing the same method as above for the gender and press 
VO+Space. Type something in and let her read to you.


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On Jun 14, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Matthew Dierckens  
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Zoe sounds like Ava!


God bless.
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  On Jun 14, 2016, at 17:06, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:


  I was kinda disappointed that they didn't use Nuance's new female voice 
for Siri. I mean, have you guys heard this one yet? She's freaking awesome! Her 
name is Zoe and she's the most human sounding voice they've ever created. You 
can use her with Mac OS Sierra. If you want to listen to her, go to 
http://www.nuance.com/landing-pages/playground/Vocalizer_Demo2/vocalizer_modal.html
 and set it to use Zoe. Type in some stuff and let her read to you. They also 
have three other new voices called Evelyn, Nathan who are all US English voices 
like Zoe, and Malcom, a new British English voice. And no, I'm not breaking any 
NDA. Nuance announced that these voices would be in Mac OS Sierra long before 
WWDC.


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On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:


Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!

Andrew

  On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

  Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
comments to the borderline without breaking anything.

  I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri. 
 Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot reveal 
if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not already there, 
nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end to put it in as a dev 
feedback request, provided it's not there already.  Either way, you'll have to 
trust that we devs will voice the possibility, if it be wanted by you guys.

  Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to 
Samantha ia if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
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  - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 

  To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
  Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


  Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes 
out this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on 
our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to get 
much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still, just 
thought I’d ask.


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Re: hotspots within apps

Mike, yeah, you need to set the hotspot, then while the app is opened, go 
into the VO Utility.  Create a hotspot, then within the hotspot, you may 
have to check the box for other settings, I don't remember, but there should 
be a checkbox to store hotspots within the activity.  So once that's 
checked, name the activity, then attach it to the application accordingly.


Then, things should work.
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:37 PM
Subject: hotspots within apps


Is it possible to set the same hotspot for example VO + ) to some place 
independent of the application? Maybe a setting I might have to change in 
voiceover, as whenever I set VO+0 to a place within an application outside 
of chrome, this hotspot no longer takes me to the utility in my toolbar in 
chrome that I have originally set it to, so I have to find that location and 
reset the hotspot. Then of course it doesn't work in the other application I 
set that same hotspot two. This being said, does this mean that I only have 
10 hotspot system wide?

OSX Version, 10.11.5
Best.
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Re: OS mac and vo

Hi I’m not Simon but let me tell you about my experiences and i don’t know if 
this has gotten different:
In word, when reading long documents, the focus tends to jump to the beginning 
of a text after several pages of reading, making it a bit tricky to read 
longish documents. That’s what i’ve noticed.
/Krister

> 15 juni 2016 kl. 16:34 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Simon, what are you finding wrong with office?  I’m using it, just started 
> and actually like it.  I might not be smart enough to know otherwise 
> though.:)  What’s the issues in your mind with office?
>  
> Thanks
>  
>  
> From:  > on behalf of Simon Fogarty 
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>
> Reply-To:  >
> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:22 AM
> To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> "  >
> Subject: OS mac and vo
>  
> Hi list,
>  
> Just thinking about another thing with in the new upcoming mac os sierra 
>  Will voiceover for mac os be any better with applications such as ms office 
> 2016 
>  
> I’ve noticed that it’s still not great although better than 2011 ofice 
>  
> And although this probably can’t be answered honestly,
> For those that are dev beta testers, this would be good to know if you can 
> test it out?
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
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Re: OS mac and vo

Simon, what are you finding wrong with office?  I’m using it, just started and 
actually like it.  I might not be smart enough to know otherwise though.:)  
What’s the issues in your mind with office?

 

Thanks

 

 

From:  on behalf of Simon Fogarty 

Reply-To: 
Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:22 AM
To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: OS mac and vo

 

Hi list,

 

Just thinking about another thing with in the new upcoming mac os sierra 

 Will voiceover for mac os be any better with applications such as ms office 
2016 

 

I’ve noticed that it’s still not great although better than 2011 ofice 

 

And although this probably can’t be answered honestly,

For those that are dev beta testers, this would be good to know if you can test 
it out?

 

Cheers,

 

 

Simon F

 

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Re: Faster Processor, or More Memory?

+1 to this.

 

The resale value on apple stuff is amazing sometimes.

 

I usually either make money or almost break even upgrading my phone each year 
and selling the previous year’s model.

 

 

 

 

From:  on behalf of erik burggraaf 

Reply-To: 
Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 11:18 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: Faster Processor, or More Memory?

 

Ebay is great for this stuff.  I had a seven-year-old broken macbook laying 
around the house and I put it on Ebay for 99 cents for parts.  In 10 days it 
went for $255 plus shipping.

 

If you can stand ebays clunky interface this would be the best way to recycle 
your old apple stuff.

 

Best,

 

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On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:00 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

 

Interesting Arnold

 

I actually am trying to sell at the moment a Mac Mini late 2012,

I7 quad core 2.3 GHz processor,

16GB  1600 DDR3 ram,

1TB HDD,

I’ve had it for approx. 2 years,

I don’t’ use it a lot now days and I’m trying to sell it.

Not sure what it would cost to get it over to you but I’m looking for what yor 
probably going to have to pay.

 

Simon f

 

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On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2016 12:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Faster Processor, or More Memory?

 

Again, I am seriously considering purchasing a Mac Mini.  The one that I am 
considering has a 1 tb hard drive, 8 gig of memory, and an i5 processor for 
$699.  I can afford to either upgrade the processor to an i7 for $300, or get a 
total of 16 gig of memory for $200, but not both.  I just do simple things with 
my computer, email, web surfing, streaming audio or YouTube, maybe Netflix or 
hulu in the future, and backup and otherwise manipulate my iPhone.  I probably 
will not install windows on it, I will make a clean break and learn to use my 
new Mac.  One more thing:  I keep a computer for a long time.  This vista pc is 
from 2008, and the only reasons I am replacing it are because it won't run 
iTunes later than 12.1.3, and Microsoft is going to stop supporting vista next 
spring.  So, would it be a better spending of money to get the i7 processor, or 
16 gig of memory?  My thinking:  the i7 processor may make it capable of 
running a new Mac OS a time or two longer in the future.  Or, should I save my 
money and buy it with its i5 and 8 gig of memory?  Thanks in advance for any 
opinions.

 

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Yeah but then you get your car all dirty or if you mean your home window it’s 
time to hose down that siding.:)  Yowza

 


On 6/15/16, 6:13 AM, "Simon Fogarty"  wrote:

>Hi that's what I thought you'd be using.
>
> As for a touch screan mac,
> Hell already the iPad and IOS are better than the windows equiv which would 
> be the surface or surface pro,
>
>At least the IOS operating system is accessible out of the box  
>The surface is a slab with stuff all accessibility 
>
>Good rant, and I don't use a bag, I just throw up out the window.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
>Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 10:01 PM
>To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>
>Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)
>
>Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if Apple 
>were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a proper 
>workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead 
>committed  to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a workstation 
>OS is something I believe a certain class of computer users (including me and 
>probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on OSXDaily ( obsolete 
>name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( awesome name :) ) sums it up 
>very well:
>
>> I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
>> workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it into 
>> a candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.
>> 
>> For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech 
>> world, and OS X was his centerpiece.
>> 
>> Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.
>> 
>> I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple 
>> that have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now 
>> hope there is a coup happening inside of Apple.
>> 
>> Woz, where are you?
>> 
>> Stay strong osxdaily.
>
>Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.
>
>I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 
>2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming.  Others 
>here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh.  Things have 
>changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations 
>and Apple became a consumer electronics company.  The neglect of the Mac has 
>gone from being a minor but understandable irritant to a full-scale domestic 
>assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right.  I should have seen that.  
>But it did offer exciting new features, and at least one of them, Resume, is 
>noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and Windows.  I won’t rehash my views about 
>the systemic degradation of OS X since Snow since I’ve flogged it to death on 
>here before ( and you know how it is with people who think Apple is perfect no 
>matter what they do :) ), but suffice it to say that I (and, it would appear, 
>many others) thought I was getting something better at the time Lion came out: 
>an operating system that combined the robustness of the Mac with some of that 
>rare, task-oriented simplicity and beauty of iOS.  But instead of a pair of 
>operating systems each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality 
>and paradigm, and perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the others’ 
>virtues, or an inevitable transition to a lean, mean, mobile platform that’s 
>open enough to be used as a proper computer all by itself, we get a 
>locked-down toy OS that struggles to be taken seriously as a proper computer 
>OS, despite the fact that it’s competition is succeeding it in Business 
>(Microsoft Surface), and an increasingly useless and trivialised desktop OS 
>with nothing to recommend it over the laughingstock that was its former 
>competition, and whose usefulness is severely being compromised by its need to 
>lock you in to Apple’s services, the lack of upgradability of hardware, and 
>the need for Apple’s other ecosystem devices.  Oh my, how things have changed …
>
>Still I hold out hope that the transition will eventually be completed.  The 
>Mac will die (sorry fanboys, but it’s true) and iOS, while it will be inferior 
>because of its close ties to Apple, will be one platform for doing your 
>computing.  Maybe that’s a version of reality I could cope with.  Apple would 
>cater to the demands of the market, either destroying the Mac’s advantages 
>(say, by hosting services for you) or improving the hardware.  The form factor 
>that the Mac represents, especially the keyboard-and-mouse interface, or maybe 
>even the keyboard-and-touchscreen, will be catered for, as will the necessary 
>peripherals.
>
>Please dispose of your sick bags in the receptacles provided. :)
>
>I’m using VMWare Fusion to run the Mac VM.  It’s imperfect (sound a bit 
>stuttery), but it works well enough.
>
>You can learn more about “Apple File

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Obviously in that region wolfram alpha integration isn’t supported.  When you 
ask what’s 2+2 it subs that work out to another provider, gets the answer and 
returns it to you.  With out that tie in you’ll get the search on the web 
default behavior.


On 6/15/16, 5:06 AM, "Simon Fogarty"  wrote:

>Yeah I'm confused 
>
>Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan 
>
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>Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>
>What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? 
>Just curious.
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>Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>
>
>Hi!
>Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>/A
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados :
>>
>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, 
>> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of 
>> stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>>
>>
>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
>>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
>>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
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>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Pete Nalda" 
>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>>
>>>
>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
>>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I 
>>> do
>>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>>
 On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom 
 
 wrote:

 Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
 won’t
 use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
 /Krister

> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
>
> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the 
> voice
> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been 
> enjoying
> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
> it’s
> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
>
>
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
> blind
> built-in
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.

Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted.  Not 
to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a wee 
sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random odd family 
jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I wanted.  That’s 
when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did with my Apple Cat modem.  (I 
would like to personally thank who ever thought it was a good idea to include a 
full function tone generator, voice synthesizer, DTMF decoder, sampler and 
expansion capabilities on a modem and the FBI would not like to thank you but 
that’s for another list)  The point is, that was solid thinking I coul get 
behind.  The battle between the Steves for the number of expansion slots, the 
great built in language (Apple Soft), and on and on and on.  Woz was definitely 
more on the openness side and so am I so I can see your hope that he would rise 
again although I’m not betting on it.
I had the privilege of meeting him a few times once at a very small 
Scotch and Cigar function with maybe 25 people.  Very grounded, friendly, 
unassuming guy, totally a geeky engineer which I totally dig.  Funny how 
opposite the two Steves were.

I hope what you say comes to pass in that at least something will persist on 
the notebook side.

I’m a little surprised of the downfall of the mac only because of how many are 
out there now.  Up here anyway, every Starbucks is full of people on Macs, huge 
employers are all Mac now including Fidelity and Thomson International, and 
since about 2013 or so all the gigs I’ve worked on were Mac shops not by choice 
but by luck.  With such a hold on laptops especially I’d think they would like 
to keep that but I fear your right.  The cool enhanced Unix environment is 
slowly being squeezed.  I wonder if there will be a day where terminal isn’t 
included with the Mac.  I believe that would be the day I go elsewhere.

On 6/15/16, 6:00 AM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"  wrote:

>Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)
>
>Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if Apple 
>were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a proper 
>workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead 
>committed  to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a workstation 
>OS is something I believe a certain class of computer users (including me and 
>probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on OSXDaily ( obsolete 
>name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( awesome name :) ) sums it up 
>very well:
>
>> I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
>> workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it into 
>> a candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.
>> 
>> For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech 
>> world, and OS X was his centerpiece.
>> 
>> Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.
>> 
>> I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple 
>> that have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now 
>> hope there is a coup happening inside of Apple.
>> 
>> Woz, where are you?
>> 
>> Stay strong osxdaily.
>
>Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.
>
>I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 
>2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming.  Others 
>here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh.  Things have 
>changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations 
>and Apple became a consumer electronics company.  The neglect of the Mac has 
>gone from being a minor but understandable irritant to a full-scale domestic 
>assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right.  I should have seen that.  
>But it did offer exciting new features, and at least one of them, Resume, is 
>noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and Windows.  I won’t rehash my views about 
>the systemic degradation of OS X since Snow since I’ve flogged it to death on 
>here before ( and you know how it is with people who think Apple is perfect no 
>matter what they do :) ), but suffice it to say that I (and, it would appear, 
>many others) thought I was getting something better at the time Lion came out: 
>an operating system that combined the robustness of the Mac with some of that 
>rare, task-oriented simplicity and beauty of iOS.  But instead of a pair of 
>operating systems each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality 
>and paradigm, and perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the others’ 
>virtues, or an inevitable transition to a lean, mean, mobile platform that’s 
>open enough to be used as a proper computer all by itself, we get a 
>locked-down toy OS that struggles to be taken seriously as a prop

Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

Of course not, that’s the go to move to try to silence someone.  What a nimrod. 
 Instead of being constructive and countering with valid points he cries and 
wants someone to leave.   Wh I’m going to take my toys and go play with 
someone else.

Hey at least we know that Apple products are so well designed and easy to use 
that even a toddler / infant can use them.

Appropriate filters updated.


On 6/14/16, 6:01 PM, "E.T."  wrote:

>Is there never to be an end to this playground behavior?
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>Many believe that we have been visited
>in the past. What if it were true?
>
>On 6/14/2016 2:58 PM, Kevin Barry wrote:
>> if you have indeed left the windows world, do the rest of us a favor,
>> and leave this list as well.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>>
>> GW micro got bought out by AI squared.  The company doesn’t exist
>> anymore as far as I know..
>>
>> Cait
>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>>>
>>> Cheree Heppe here:
>>> Isn't GW Micro part of AI Squared?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:57 AM, erik burggraaf
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 
 http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html

 The end is one step closer for commercial AT my friends.  It
 makes me very glad I have my macbook.

 Enjoy,

 Erik Burggraaf
 Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

So um I’m not sure what dictation you’re using but yes, you can edit, you do 
not need to start from scratch, you do need to get used to speaking 
punctuations and such but that’s not hard.

You do make a good point for accuracy and typing but in most cases, accuracy 
isn’t that super critical.  Depends on the intended target.  If you do need 
that extra level of polish on your document though I agree typing is probably a 
good idea.  I don’t think it’s a 0sum game though, I use both.  Each has a place

On 6/15/16, 5:00 AM, "Krister Ekstrom"  wrote:

>There are lots of reasons for typing: You’re sure that the mails you send or 
>the messages or documents you make are 120 percent correct. You can’t edit 
>small pieces of document with dictation, you have to start all over again and 
>how much waste of time is that? Plus if dictation, physical keyboard and other 
>methods of typing for one reason or the other gets broken, if you don’t know 
>your keyboard you’re lost and i for one can’t fathom why we don’t want to be 
>able to use our 99,9 percent accessible phone in every way, but that’s me and 
>i seem to be wrong in everything i say or do so why would anyone bother to 
>listen.
>/Krister
>
>> 15 juni 2016 kl. 01:02 skrev Donna Goodin :
>> 
>> I agree.  I use Siri all the time.  I can't imagine why anyone would take 
>> the trouble to type when you can just dictate.  Guess I'm one of the lazy 
>> ones, too. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Its for the lazy guys i think.
>>> One of them is me.
>>> I seldom type on my Iphone now a days.
>>> I rather dictate instead.
>>> /A
 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:48 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
 
 Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
 won’t use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
 /Krister
 
> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
> 
> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had 
> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
> it’s hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light 
> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Yes, WiFi is infac built in.

Apple watches can call using WiFi calling as of I believe Watch OS 2.1.  You 
enable the WiFi calling option on your iphone and the access is also enabled in 
your watch.  If your phone is not near by and your able to join WiFi you’ll be 
able to place and receive calls.  Note there are some limitations on the WiFi 
side mainly you need to use the same SSID on 2.4 and 5.0 GHZ and you need to 
have simple security options, I don’t believe the more advanaced stuff like 
WiFi authentication is supported.  That said, it does work well.

Hope that helps.


On 6/15/16, 4:22 AM, "Simon Fogarty"  wrote:

>Hi Ray,
>
> I was rather impressed with both what they are doing with watch OS and mac OS 
> primarily 
>
> Thepresence of Siri in Mac OS sounded fantastic,
>
> Kind of worrying though that if I abuse my MBA  with siri built in, I'm kind 
> of expecting abuse back.
>
> But more to the point the universal clip board sounds great, and will make 
> working between machines even that much easier.
>
> IOS 10 was a bit to much in favour of photos but hey, until these OS's come 
> out I'm just waiting and will get what I get.
>
> Watch os starting up apps without delay will be friggen awesome, I'm sick of 
> waiting for an app on my watch to open 
>
>But I'm still stumped about one thing mentioned about the Watch OS 3,
>The new S O S feature,
> They made the comment that if the watch is not able to call 911 through the 
> phone, then it can use wifi,
> My apple watch sport does not have wifi built in.
>
> Any thoughts on this one?
>
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>Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
>Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m 
>not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
>iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
>impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to get 
>much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still, just 
>thought I’d ask.
>
>
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Re: A Comment on the Mac OS Sierra Native Messaging App

That and the ability to operate with other platforms.  There was a rumor this 
was going to happen but I don’t believe so after some recent reading.  Would 
have been nice though.  Should would have liked to imessage people on Android 
for example.




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>Hello,
>
>The only thing I was hoping for in the release of Mac OS Sierra was the
>ability to actually extract and save individual text/iMessages in user
>defined folders, in the native messaging app.
>
>Oh well, there's always tomorrow (sad smile).
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

I would be surprised if the extra voices aren’t included.  Apple tends to 
cookie cutter some things so Siri on the phone would be like Siri on the mac.

Also I’ll remind everyone that if you really ar interested, a public beta will 
be released next month.  That we can discuss I believe since it’s public.  
Anyone can sign up and install this and give it a whirrel to find out first 
hand.  So not to long to wait.



On 6/14/16, 5:32 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:

>Again, I cannot make any of you all any promises.  Let me make it clear that 
>I do not by any means get the final say in this.  I'll do my part though to 
>make it known that this is a welcomed feature.
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>- Original Message - 
>From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:53 PM
>Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>
>
>Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!
>
>Andrew
>> On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
>> comments to the borderline without breaking anything.
>>
>> I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri. 
>> Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot 
>> reveal if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not 
>> already there, nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end 
>> to put it in as a dev feedback request, provided it's not there already. 
>> Either way, you'll have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, 
>> if it be wanted by you guys.
>>
>> Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha 
>> ia if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
>> ---
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>> Training Instructor.
>>
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>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
>> To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
>> Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>
>>
>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their 
>> own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard 
>> to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant; 
>> still, just thought I’d ask.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>>
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Wow, so Siri isn’t consistent between nations?

Really?

Is it a language processing problem or what do you think?  How’s google’s 
product in the same area, better?





On 6/14/16, 6:49 PM, "Anders Holmberg"  wrote:

>Hi!
>Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
>You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
>/A
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, doing 
>> complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of stuff.  
>> That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and 
>>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may 
>>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>> ---
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>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Pete Nalda" 
>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t 
>>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I 
>>> do 
>>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>> 
 On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
 wrote:
 
 Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
 won’t 
 use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
 /Krister
 
> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
> 
> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had 
> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
> it’s 
> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light 
> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

We who wish to find out can next month anyway if you install the public Beta.  
So by all means stick to the NDA but the question will be answered any in a few 
weeks.  I believe (could be wrong) but the public beta stuff can be discussed 
openly. I don’t recall a massive NDA when I signed up for the public beta.  I’m 
not a registered developer though so not covered by the developer NDA..


On 6/14/16, 5:24 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:

>OK, if it is not there already, then I'll post in the forums asking it to 
>possibly be considered.  Again, I'm not saying it's not  already there, but 
>I'm neither saying it is.  I'm saying, I really can't say either way.  If it 
>isn't though, then I'll see if it can be eventually.  No promises, but I'll 
>do my best.
>---
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>
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>Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Ray Foret jr" 
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:40 PM
>Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>
>
>I feel that the Male voice really really does need to be there and that in 
>fact the male voice is so good it should be the Mac OS default voice.  Since 
>I am public beta testing both Mac OS and IOS, I guess maybe I should know by 
>July.
>
>
>Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>built-in
>
>Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
>> comments to the borderline without breaking anything.
>>
>> I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri. 
>> Would the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot 
>> reveal if it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not 
>> already there, nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end 
>> to put it in as a dev feedback request, provided it's not there already. 
>> Either way, you'll have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, 
>> if it be wanted by you guys.
>>
>> Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha 
>> ia if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>>
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
>> To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
>> Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>
>>
>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
>> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
>> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
>> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their 
>> own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard 
>> to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant; 
>> still, just thought I’d ask.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>>
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

And remember, this isn’t like working at area 51 here. (That’s for E. T.)  If 
you discuss something harmless like voice over or siri voices I don’t see apple 
being upset.  IF you released something proprietary like the source code for 
the new file system, that would probably upset them.  In other words, Apple 
would have to be damaged in order to want to execute their rights with in the 
NDA.

Unlike the federal government who makes you sign away your rights if you work 
in a secure facility and actively observe your movements, friends, .  Now, 
that’s an NDA. So there’s secrecy and then there’s secrecy, let’s not get 
overly worked up about this as nobody is tredding in proprietary areas here.

As a random but disclosure releated fun fact, I actually got a federal short 
term contract once years ago to install and configure some routers in a 
location because I was blind and couldn’t look around the room.  Since I 
couldn’t see the stuff in the room I wouldn’t ask any questions or was much 
less of a security risk than a sited person who could remember the items in the 
room or copy key bits.  It’s not nearly as fun as it sounds.  It’s hard to 
focus when a marine who is completely all business is standing there with an 
automatic weapon to make sure you don’t ask any questions.:) (or stand up, you 
had to ask permission to stretch)  That was a long few days for not nearly 
enough money to make up for the stress.

On 6/14/16, 6:32 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:

>Fair enough.  I just wanted to check.  It's all good.  Thanks for 
>clarifying.
>---
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>
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>- Original Message - 
>From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" 
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 5:57 PM
>Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>
>
>The features I’ve listed, plus all of the preview features announced by 
>Apple on their own preview site including the powerful new object 
>recognition, are all publicly documented on Apple’s own pages.  You can 
>follow them from various pro-Apple places, and don’t have to be logged in 
>with a membership.
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Re: Urgent: Partitioning help!

2016-06-15 Thread Joe Quinn

I figured it out: i just ended up reinstalling os x and went to disk utility 
and was able too get that space back. So now I have all space to os x! Thanks 
for the suggestions
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:38 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did you by any chance partition your drive including the recovery partition?
> 
> When you partition it you should select a format type which you should select 
> as Mac OS journeled.
> 
> It may be easier if you can give us step by step as to what you did to 
> partition your drive!
> But I'm guessing yoru recovery part is gone and then that means you will need 
> to be installing from an external media or DVD drive.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Quinn
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 8:45 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Urgent: Partitioning help!
> 
> I'm finally getting around to reinstalling os x el capitian, due to a corrupt 
> windows partition. Os x worked fine, but I want my entire drive to be all 
> mac. Now, everything appeared to erase properly, but when I try to mame the 
> partition into one single volume, it appears to work. Then after a bit disk 
> utility claims that the partition that has the most space, 388 gb to be 
> exact, claims that journaling can't be enabled and to go into the file menu 
> to enable it. Now, when I do, pointing at that partition, the journaling 
> option is dimmed. What can I do? First-aid seems to check out on both 
> partitions as well so I'm stumped as to what the issue is, and, most 
> improtattly, what to do about it to get my system restored back to its 
> original state. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks!
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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac


Hi Simon.

Yes, I kknow what a text document is Simon,, but I was wondering about this 
ibook service.


I'm not too sure if I'd like to try and listen to the book on my 4S whilst 
typing in instructions into my new mac.


I suppose I was half hoping that I could download these ibook titles into my 
win7 and read them with JAWS but it looks like this is not the case.


The problem I'd have downloading and reading an ibook on my mac is that I'm 
at the stage of turning my mac on so not able to download and start 
listening to an ibook.


Perhaps in a week or so when I overcame some of my initial problems with my 
mac, I will be in a position to benefit from materials from the ibook store.


Thanks symon for your help.

Very best wishes.
Andy.- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac




Hi andy,

A text file can be read with jaws,

A text file is the default file type for the windows notepad application,

Very simple to use with Jaws but also word, or pretty much any notepad or 
word processing product
iBooks is a very accessible app on the iPhone or iPad, I've not used it on 
the mac OS x operating system.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy

Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 8:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac


Hi Paul.


I'm currently using my Windows 7 computer to do all my mail and searching 
for information relating to the Mac.


My new imac is just sitting there waiting for me to ge the confidence to 
get started.


I've never used ibooks!  Are they text files that I can download and read 
with JAWS or do you need some special equipment or be a member or 
subscribe to some agency?


If I am able to simply download a free text document type book, then that 
would be fantastic and I'd appriciate any relevent website were I may find 
these books.


Very best sishes.
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Mimms" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
with VO and my new Mac




In iBooks, you might want to try searching for a book called mastering
the Macintosh computer with voiceover. It's free.

When going the extra mile, you never run into a traffic jam!

Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus


On Jun 14, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Kimber Gardner

wrote:

Hi Andy,

You aren't being a pest. It's a document you can read on the computer.
In fact there are several formats from which you can choose depending
on how you wish to access the book. Here is a link to the most recent
version of the book for those running el capitan. If you need the
book for yoseminy just let me know and I can send you a link.

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-CAPITAN.html?id=hLGdzmXA


On 6/14/16, Andy  wrote:
Hi again Kimber.

Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that I
can read on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?

If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?

very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my
questions.

Very best wishes.
Andy.

 - Original Message -
 From: Kimberly
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 AM
 Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me
started with VO and my new Mac


 The books are available as text files which can be downloaded.


 Sent from Kimber's iPhone

 On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy  
wrote:



   Hi Kimeer.

   where these books available as text files or Braille?

   I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.

   Very best wishes.
   Andy.
 - Original Message -
 From: Kimberly
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
 Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me
started with VO and my new Mac


 Andy,


 There are a couple of books available from the national Braille
press
that will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet
Ingber
and are specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one
written
for Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running
Lion
due to the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found,
no
lie.


 Kimber

 Sent from Kimber's iPhone

 On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy 
wrote:


   Hi all.

   I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with
Elcapitan and I'm stuck.

   I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any
format, to get me started.

   I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was 
convinced

that there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me,
but
unfortunately, the

Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

Kevin, can you explain what you mean about the email delivery?  Are you saying 
that you get replies before the messages to which the replies apply?

Simon, yep GW are a bit hard to touch from outside the US of A, you have to go 
through their dealerships.  Although perhaps, now that they’re part of the VFO 
group, it will be easier to order online from them.  I could never understand 
why AT vendors are so unwilling to sell internationally; after all, it’s just 
software and many countries exempt taxes for certain special-use goods …

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RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Hi that's what I thought you'd be using.

 As for a touch screan mac,
 Hell already the iPad and IOS are better than the windows equiv which would be 
the surface or surface pro,

At least the IOS operating system is accessible out of the box  
The surface is a slab with stuff all accessibility 

Good rant, and I don't use a bag, I just throw up out the window.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 10:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)

Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if Apple 
were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a proper 
workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead committed 
 to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a workstation OS is 
something I believe a certain class of computer users (including me and 
probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on OSXDaily ( obsolete 
name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( awesome name :) ) sums it up 
very well:

> I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
> workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it into a 
> candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.
> 
> For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech world, 
> and OS X was his centerpiece.
> 
> Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.
> 
> I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple that 
> have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now hope 
> there is a coup happening inside of Apple.
> 
> Woz, where are you?
> 
> Stay strong osxdaily.

Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.

I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 
2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming.  Others 
here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh.  Things have 
changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations 
and Apple became a consumer electronics company.  The neglect of the Mac has 
gone from being a minor but understandable irritant to a full-scale domestic 
assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right.  I should have seen that.  
But it did offer exciting new features, and at least one of them, Resume, is 
noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and Windows.  I won’t rehash my views about 
the systemic degradation of OS X since Snow since I’ve flogged it to death on 
here before ( and you know how it is with people who think Apple is perfect no 
matter what they do :) ), but suffice it to say that I (and, it would appear, 
many others) thought I was getting something better at the time Lion came out: 
an operating system that combined the robustness of the Mac with some of that 
rare, task-oriented simplicity and beauty of iOS.  But instead of a pair of 
operating systems each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality 
and paradigm, and perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the others’ 
virtues, or an inevitable transition to a lean, mean, mobile platform that’s 
open enough to be used as a proper computer all by itself, we get a locked-down 
toy OS that struggles to be taken seriously as a proper computer OS, despite 
the fact that it’s competition is succeeding it in Business (Microsoft 
Surface), and an increasingly useless and trivialised desktop OS with nothing 
to recommend it over the laughingstock that was its former competition, and 
whose usefulness is severely being compromised by its need to lock you in to 
Apple’s services, the lack of upgradability of hardware, and the need for 
Apple’s other ecosystem devices.  Oh my, how things have changed …

Still I hold out hope that the transition will eventually be completed.  The 
Mac will die (sorry fanboys, but it’s true) and iOS, while it will be inferior 
because of its close ties to Apple, will be one platform for doing your 
computing.  Maybe that’s a version of reality I could cope with.  Apple would 
cater to the demands of the market, either destroying the Mac’s advantages 
(say, by hosting services for you) or improving the hardware.  The form factor 
that the Mac represents, especially the keyboard-and-mouse interface, or maybe 
even the keyboard-and-touchscreen, will be catered for, as will the necessary 
peripherals.

Please dispose of your sick bags in the receptacles provided. :)

I’m using VMWare Fusion to run the Mac VM.  It’s imperfect (sound a bit 
stuttery), but it works well enough.

You can learn more about “Apple File System” (APFS) here:
https://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedule/#/details/701

Per-object and metadata encryption, sparse files, de-duplication on copy, 
low-overhead crash safety, snapshots, atomic directory renames … good show. And 
yes, a very big improvement

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)

Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if Apple 
were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a proper 
workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead committed 
 to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a workstation OS is 
something I believe a certain class of computer users (including me and 
probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on OSXDaily ( obsolete 
name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( awesome name :) ) sums it up 
very well:

> I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
> workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it into a 
> candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.
> 
> For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech world, 
> and OS X was his centerpiece.
> 
> Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.
> 
> I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple that 
> have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now hope 
> there is a coup happening inside of Apple.
> 
> Woz, where are you?
> 
> Stay strong osxdaily.

Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.

I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 
2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming.  Others 
here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh.  Things have 
changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations 
and Apple became a consumer electronics company.  The neglect of the Mac has 
gone from being a minor but understandable irritant to a full-scale domestic 
assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right.  I should have seen that.  
But it did offer exciting new features, and at least one of them, Resume, is 
noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and Windows.  I won’t rehash my views about 
the systemic degradation of OS X since Snow since I’ve flogged it to death on 
here before ( and you know how it is with people who think Apple is perfect no 
matter what they do :) ), but suffice it to say that I (and, it would appear, 
many others) thought I was getting something better at the time Lion came out: 
an operating system that combined the robustness of the Mac with some of that 
rare, task-oriented simplicity and beauty of iOS.  But instead of a pair of 
operating systems each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality 
and paradigm, and perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the others’ 
virtues, or an inevitable transition to a lean, mean, mobile platform that’s 
open enough to be used as a proper computer all by itself, we get a locked-down 
toy OS that struggles to be taken seriously as a proper computer OS, despite 
the fact that it’s competition is succeeding it in Business (Microsoft 
Surface), and an increasingly useless and trivialised desktop OS with nothing 
to recommend it over the laughingstock that was its former competition, and 
whose usefulness is severely being compromised by its need to lock you in to 
Apple’s services, the lack of upgradability of hardware, and the need for 
Apple’s other ecosystem devices.  Oh my, how things have changed …

Still I hold out hope that the transition will eventually be completed.  The 
Mac will die (sorry fanboys, but it’s true) and iOS, while it will be inferior 
because of its close ties to Apple, will be one platform for doing your 
computing.  Maybe that’s a version of reality I could cope with.  Apple would 
cater to the demands of the market, either destroying the Mac’s advantages 
(say, by hosting services for you) or improving the hardware.  The form factor 
that the Mac represents, especially the keyboard-and-mouse interface, or maybe 
even the keyboard-and-touchscreen, will be catered for, as will the necessary 
peripherals.

Please dispose of your sick bags in the receptacles provided. :)

I’m using VMWare Fusion to run the Mac VM.  It’s imperfect (sound a bit 
stuttery), but it works well enough.

You can learn more about “Apple File System” (APFS) here:
https://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedule/#/details/701

Per-object and metadata encryption, sparse files, de-duplication on copy, 
low-overhead crash safety, snapshots, atomic directory renames … good show. And 
yes, a very big improvement over HFS+, indeed. :)

Just now, using APFS (on disk images and external devices) is a dangerous and 
advanced business, fit only for people who have good backups and command-line 
foo.  If you follow that link, you’ll find documentation.  If you Google it, 
you’ll find lots of geeky insights, which will really work for you if you like 
that kind of depth of understanding.  Testing is limited to data files; Time 
Machine isn’t supported yet, you can’t export to AFP (HFS legacy, that) and you 
can’t actually boot the system from an APFS volume group.  But Apple says that 
stuff is coming.

Object recognition in photos,

OS mac and vo

Hi list,

Just thinking about another thing with in the new upcoming mac os sierra
 Will voiceover for mac os be any better with applications such as ms office 
2016

I've noticed that it's still not great although better than 2011 ofice

And although this probably can't be answered honestly,
For those that are dev beta testers, this would be good to know if you can test 
it out?

Cheers,


Simon F

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RE: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

Hi andy,

 A text file can be read with jaws,

 A text file is the default file type for the windows notepad application,

 Very simple to use with Jaws but also word, or pretty much any notepad or word 
processing product 
iBooks is a very accessible app on the iPhone or iPad, I've not used it on the 
mac OS x operating system.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 8:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO 
and my new Mac

Hi Paul.


I'm currently using my Windows 7 computer to do all my mail and searching for 
information relating to the Mac.

My new imac is just sitting there waiting for me to ge the confidence to get 
started.

I've never used ibooks!  Are they text files that I can download and read with 
JAWS or do you need some special equipment or be a member or subscribe to some 
agency?

If I am able to simply download a free text document type book, then that would 
be fantastic and I'd appriciate any relevent website were I may find these 
books.

Very best sishes.
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From: "Paul Mimms" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO 
and my new Mac


> In iBooks, you might want to try searching for a book called mastering 
> the Macintosh computer with voiceover. It's free.
>
> When going the extra mile, you never run into a traffic jam!
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Kimber Gardner 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> You aren't being a pest. It's a document you can read on the computer.
>> In fact there are several formats from which you can choose depending 
>> on how you wish to access the book. Here is a link to the most recent 
>> version of the book for those running el capitan. If you need the 
>> book for yoseminy just let me know and I can send you a link.
>>
>> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-CAPITAN.html?id=hLGdzmXA
>>
>>> On 6/14/16, Andy  wrote:
>>> Hi again Kimber.
>>>
>>> Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that I 
>>> can read on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?
>>>
>>> If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?
>>>
>>> very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my 
>>> questions.
>>>
>>> Very best wishes.
>>> Andy.
>>>
>>>  - Original Message -
>>>  From: Kimberly
>>>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me 
>>> started with VO and my new Mac
>>>
>>>
>>>  The books are available as text files which can be downloaded.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>>>
>>>  On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Kimeer.
>>>
>>>where these books available as text files or Braille?
>>>
>>>I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.
>>>
>>>Very best wishes.
>>>Andy.
>>>  - Original Message -
>>>  From: Kimberly
>>>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me 
>>> started with VO and my new Mac
>>>
>>>
>>>  Andy,
>>>
>>>
>>>  There are a couple of books available from the national Braille 
>>> press
>>> that will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet 
>>> Ingber
>>> and are specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one 
>>> written
>>> for Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running 
>>> Lion
>>> due to the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found, 
>>> no
>>> lie.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Kimber
>>>
>>>  Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>>>
>>>  On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi all.
>>>
>>>I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with
>>> Elcapitan and I'm stuck.
>>>
>>>I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any
>>> format, to get me started.
>>>
>>>I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced
>>> that there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, 
>>> but
>>> unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.
>>>
>>>So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice
>>> over and how to get started .
>>>
>>>Any information would be absolutely appricieated.
>>>
>>>Andy.
>>>
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RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Scott,

 Yes the idea behind the iPad iPhone and Mac OS systems  was to eventually make 
all apple devices run on one OS and they started moving things a few years ago 
with address book changing to contacts,
 iCal changing to calendar.

 So it's happening more and more the mac book having a touch screan has got to 
be soon but then  that will mean an iPad with a keyboard or at least that is my 
view.



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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 1:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Sabahattin, man your messages are the best to read.:)

I like the lie down and croak reference even though the Mac laying down and 
croaking makes me sad.

I do think though you’re right but remember, Steve told us years ago this was 
coming, running the same OS on everything.  As you’ve said there have been 
hints for a long long time now not the least of which was moving of an app 
store to OSX and the IOSification (is that a word) of the Mac operating system.

On the upside though, I do like the idea of a more modern filesystem.


On 6/14/16, 4:51 PM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu"  wrote:

>Of course, if you are a “Developer” then you can wander off and download it.  
>I have it in a VM now.  I can’t tell you anything beyond what you’ve already 
>heard, but suffice it to say that the quality control will make or break it.  
>When July comes around and if you can, load it into a partition or VM, and 
>find out for yourself how it stacks up, and send your feedback accordingly.
>
>Here’s what I can mention: Time Machine no longer requires AFP, and there’s a 
>new file system in beta, called Apple File System, with modern features 
>befitting of a proper OS.
>
>Everything else is just iCloud integration and hence dependence on other Apple 
>hardware.  Or in other words, the Mac as a platform is just looking for a 
>quiet spot to lie down and croak in because it’s clear that Apple doesn’t want 
>to improve the status quo there.
>
>WWDC didn’t mention one news-worthy feature of iOS, though: you can remove 
>most first-party apps now (but not Safari).
>
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RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Yeah I'm confused 

Doesn't 2+2 in Swedish also equal 4 or is it something different in swedan 

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On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? 
Just curious.
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From: "Anders Holmberg" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?


Hi!
Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
/A
> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados :
>
> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, 
> doing complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of 
> stuff.  That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>
>
> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  
> wrote:
>
>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Pete Nalda" 
>> To: "MacVisionaries group" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>
>>
>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I 
>> do
>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably 
>>> won’t
>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>> /Krister
>>>
 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :

 Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
 this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the 
 voice
 so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been 
 enjoying
 on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
 their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
 it’s
 hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
 dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.


 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
 blind
 built-in

 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV 
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Something like ”I found something on the web about what’s 2 plus 2”.
/Krister

> 15 juni 2016 kl. 01:51 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :
> 
> What would the english equivalent be of what she'll return, if you try? Just 
> curious.
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> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> Hi!
> Yes but for small countries like Sweden Apple could do more work with Siri.
> You can’t even ask her what 2 plus 2 is in swedish.
> /A
>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:44 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> Siri is also great at finding out what aircraft are flying over head, doing 
>> complex math calculations and all sorts of wolfram alpha sorts of stuff.  
>> That’s one of the things I find most useful.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/14/16, 3:37 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and
>>> your workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may
>>> not care for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
>>> ---
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
>>> To: "MacVisionaries group" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t
>>> trash to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I do
>>> find siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
>>> 
 On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom 
 wrote:
 
 Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t
 use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
 /Krister
 
> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
> 
> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out
> this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice
> so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying
> on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had
> their own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that 
> it’s
> hard to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light
> dependant;  still, just thought I’d ask.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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RE: Xcode and the new upcomming free app.

Yeah that sounds right,

 And the chick demonstrating it was using an iPad I believe to write her code.

  I hope it will be accessible on all OS platforms.

 I'd like to start playing around with x code.

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On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 11:02 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Xcode and the new upcomming free app.

Hi!
I heard something about a new free app that could help people learn Xcode.
Was it swift playground they call it?
I didn’t watch the wdc because there was a Football game at the same time.
But i read about it on the applevis homepage.
So what i wonder if what you all think about that?
Is it a good way of taking care of such things or is there a better place to 
learn swift?
Thanks in advance./A

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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

There are lots of reasons for typing: You’re sure that the mails you send or 
the messages or documents you make are 120 percent correct. You can’t edit 
small pieces of document with dictation, you have to start all over again and 
how much waste of time is that? Plus if dictation, physical keyboard and other 
methods of typing for one reason or the other gets broken, if you don’t know 
your keyboard you’re lost and i for one can’t fathom why we don’t want to be 
able to use our 99,9 percent accessible phone in every way, but that’s me and i 
seem to be wrong in everything i say or do so why would anyone bother to listen.
/Krister

> 15 juni 2016 kl. 01:02 skrev Donna Goodin :
> 
> I agree.  I use Siri all the time.  I can't imagine why anyone would take the 
> trouble to type when you can just dictate.  Guess I'm one of the lazy ones, 
> too. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Its for the lazy guys i think.
>> One of them is me.
>> I seldom type on my Iphone now a days.
>> I rather dictate instead.
>> /A
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:48 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>>> 
>>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t 
>>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :

 Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out 
 this Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice 
 so I’m not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying 
 on our iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their 
 own impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard 
 to get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  
 still, just thought I’d ask.

 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in

 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
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RE: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

Ok guys, I know the mods are probably banging their heads against a concrete 
wall and I’m probably replying late but can we cut the crap it’s getting really 
boring and since I’ve been dealing with dickheads all day, I’d rather  not have 
to deal with them on this list also.

If you want to bitch and moan at each other take it off list
Regards,

Simon f

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Barry
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 10:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

You were not offering any help at all. Not that I asked for it. I have no idea 
why you would blithely assume I am using a Macintosh to do this email. 
Especially since my signature tells you otherwise. Separately, as I've 
indicated, I am on many lists, and this list is the only one that gives me this 
problem.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Kevin, this is not something that can be done on the server side.  This is set 
in your E-mail client of choice.

I'm not offerring any further comments on this thread, I'm sorry.  If you want 
to know how to do this, maybe someone on list can help you out, or you might 
could google and find it.  further, the OSX help system is incredible if you 
are familiar with using it, which I'd presume you probably are.
---
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Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Barry
To: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

In that case, the list owners should configure it such that messages the pier 
in the correct order, this is the only list where I have these problems

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> 
wrote:
Apparently not, but I know one thing, I'm getting darn sick and tired of it! 
I'm not yet at the point of leaving, but if Mark/Cara doesn't step down a bit 
harder on this crap, I may be forced to comtemplate leaving, which I really 
don't want to do, if I can at all help it.  My patients however is running very 
thin.  I get that WWDC just occured, and usually around this time of year, we 
all get a little routy on here, and that's to be somewhat expected, but this 
has gotten way! out of hand.  come on guys!  We're all adults here, like Cara 
said.  Can we not get back to Apple things.

Sigh in frustration.
---
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Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>>
To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

   Is there never to be an end to this playground behavior?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/14/2016 2:58 PM, Kevin Barry wrote:
if you have indeed left the windows world, do the rest of us a favor,
and leave this list as well.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Caitlyn Furness mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

GW micro got bought out by AI squared.  The company doesn’t exist
anymore as far as I know..

Cait
On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Cheree Heppe 
mailto:che...@dogsc4me.com>> wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
Isn't GW Micro part of AI Squared?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:57 AM, erik burggraaf
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html

The end is one step closer for commercial AT my friends.  It
makes me very glad I have my macbook.

Enjoy,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB
Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!
http://www.theoutofworkbum.work 
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform
for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
http://www.inclusiveandroid.com 

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RE: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

Thanks Kevin, your comments are greatfully appreciated.

Just don’t abuse people.

This list is a great resource for a lot of people including yourself, the more 
we blow crap at each other then the more the list goest down hillthst

So everyone, smile, dance smoke a bong, or just sit back relax and watch the 
world go by.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Barry
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 10:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo

In that case, the list owners should configure it such that messages the pier 
in the correct order, this is the only list where I have these problems

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Apparently not, but I know one thing, I'm getting darn sick and tired of it! 
I'm not yet at the point of leaving, but if Mark/Cara doesn't step down a bit 
harder on this crap, I may be forced to comtemplate leaving, which I really 
don't want to do, if I can at all help it.  My patients however is running very 
thin.  I get that WWDC just occured, and usually around this time of year, we 
all get a little routy on here, and that's to be somewhat expected, but this 
has gotten way! out of hand.  come on guys!  We're all adults here, like Cara 
said.  Can we not get back to Apple things.

Sigh in frustration.
---
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Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>>
To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: o/t another sign of the times AISquared acquired by vfo


   Is there never to be an end to this playground behavior?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/14/2016 2:58 PM, Kevin Barry wrote:
if you have indeed left the windows world, do the rest of us a favor,
and leave this list as well.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Caitlyn Furness mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

GW micro got bought out by AI squared.  The company doesn’t exist
anymore as far as I know..

Cait
On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Cheree Heppe 
mailto:che...@dogsc4me.com>> wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
Isn't GW Micro part of AI Squared?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:57 AM, erik burggraaf
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html

The end is one step closer for commercial AT my friends.  It
makes me very glad I have my macbook.

Enjoy,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB
Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!
http://www.theoutofworkbum.work 
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform
for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
http://www.inclusiveandroid.com 


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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Emm sorry for this stupid question, but what object recognition?
/Krister

> 14 juni 2016 kl. 23:57 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
> 
> The features I’ve listed, plus all of the preview features announced by Apple 
> on their own preview site including the powerful new object recognition, are 
> all publicly documented on Apple’s own pages.  You can follow them from 
> various pro-Apple places, and don’t have to be logged in with a membership.
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RE: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

Hi Andy,

Dunedin, second biggest city in the south island,
 Although Christchurch is only a fraction of itself due to earthquakes ove rth 
epast 5 years.

 Yeah two keyboards can give you the ability to move around.

As for your having to sign in to the machine each time you turn it on,

 Once you've logged in, go to system preferences and then find the security and 
privacy service,
 Open that,
 Find the padlock and click on it, then enter your administration password, 
that should be the one for your machine if you’re the only user on it.

 Once you've unlocked the options, tab through and find the options to require 
a password 
Sorry I can't remember the full wording.
But there are a couple of things under general tab here that you need to select 
/ unselect to stop the log in each time.and stop it locking after going to 
sleep.

As for sleep mode, you need to deal with that underanother service, I think 
it's economy or environment I can't again remember the title of the service as 
I'm working from another machine at the moment.

 Hoepp that helps.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 9:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO 
and my new Mac

Hi Simon.

New Zeland, whaw!  Lucky, lucky you.  Are you on the South Island or the North. 
 I've seen both on TV, a number of years ago, well, long enough to realise that 
I'd like to get the chance to visit your beutiful country one day, but alas 
this will not be possible as I cannot stand long haul flights.


I'm pleased that I can run my Imac with both the wireless keyboard and the USB 
keyboard installed.

Hopefully, If everything works, I'd like to get rid of the need for my computer 
to go to sleep after an hour and the need to sign in, made redundent.


But as you said, everything has it's own time and there is really no actuall 
necessity to do this now.


So I'll just keep both  keyboards runningand play abouta little more.

Very best wishes. Andy.




From: "Simon Fogarty" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:54 AM
Subject: RE: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with 
VO and my new Mac


> Hi andy,
>
> t
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Beis is simon,
>
> I'm in the edinbourgh of the south,
>
> Dunedin NZ,
>
> Your right you can change the log in so that you don't have to log in each 
> time, but lets leave that till your ok with the keyboard.
>
> As for your keyboard,
> Pluging in a apple usb keyboard should not be an issue, infact having the 
> USB keyboard and the wifi keyboard both plugged in is possible also.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> And for resources,
>
> This list is full of very smart mac users, and 98% of them are very 
> helpful.
>
> It's only when we get on or off the topic that it's a bad thing.
>
> sf
>
> half Of Andy
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2016 10:04 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comving both the wifi keyboard
> Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
> with VO and my new Mac
>
> Hi again Christopher.
>
> I'm sorry, I'm all over the place at the moment, dealing with my mail on 
> Win
> 7 as well as trying to find time to say hello to my Imac.
>
> I'll check out the details you have provided, but I live in Scotland.  Not 
> sure Christopher, but I think you live in the States and that telephone 
> number may not apply.
>
> In any case Christopher, I believe that my Imac problems lay in the fact 
> that the guy I got to set it up, did it all wrong!
>
> ?surely , I need not sign in with my password every time my computer is 
> wakened up.
>
> I've also aggirvated the situation Christopher by unplugging the Apple 
> magic wireless keyboard and plugged in an apple usb keyboard without 
> changing anything in settings.
>
> So it's all a bit of a mess and there is nobody here to assist apart from 
> this list.
>
>
> So I'm beginning to loose the situation totally.
>
> Thanks again for your information, I'll have a look, once I've got some of
> these basic things dealt with.
>
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 8:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started 
> with
> VO and my new Mac
>
>
>> Again, Scott forgot to give you the link to Applevis, which I gave you
>> earlier, but I'll give it to you again.
>>
>> http://www.applevis.com
>>
>> Also, you can call Apple directly 24 hours a day 7 days a week.  They 
>> have
>> a dedicated phone number to help Voiceover users with learning things on
>> the mac.  I'm confident they'd welcome your phone calls with very! open
>> arms.
>>
>> Their number is:
>>
>> 1-877-204-3930.
>>
>> From the main menu, choose option 2.
>

Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

As for a male or female voice of Siri i just couldn’t care less. In Sweden we 
have one voice and one alone so we have to stick with it either we want it or 
not. Oh the beauty of not living in America.
/Krister

> 14 juni 2016 kl. 22:53 skrev Andrew Lamanche :
> 
> Yes, definitely, I'd like a male voice for siri on the mac, please!
> 
> Andrew
>> On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ray, I can't really say anything, being I'm on NDA, but I'll throw my 
>> comments to the borderline without breaking anything.
>> 
>> I'll say this.  I did see the keynote, and I did see them using Siri.  Would 
>> the male voice be something you guys would want?  If so, I cannot reveal if 
>> it's already there or not, but what I'll say is, if, it's not already there, 
>> nor is intended to be there, I'd be happy on the back end to put it in as a 
>> dev feedback request, provided it's not there already.  Either way, you'll 
>> have to trust that we devs will voice the possibility, if it be wanted by 
>> you guys.
>> 
>> Would that be something you all would like to see in addition to Samantha ia 
>> if it be something we devs could convince Apple to do?
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>> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
>> To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:32 PM
>> Subject: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
>> 
>> 
>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
>> Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m 
>> not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
>> iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
>> impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to 
>> get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  still, 
>> just thought I’d ask.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

I wasn’t basshing Siri as such, i was merely saying that i don’t think i would 
use it (her?) and that’s simply because i’m oldfascioned and works in old 
fascioned ways, but that’s me. I know this is off-topic and yet maybe not, 
because it’s good to know for when Sierra comes, is there a syntax for opening 
a web page on the iPhone with Siri?
/Krister

> 14 juni 2016 kl. 21:37 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :
> 
> I totally agree.  I think it's subjective.  It's all about your use, and your 
> workflow.  I happen to swear by it, although I respect those who may not care 
> for it, and don't plan to bash those who don't.
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> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
> To: "MacVisionaries group" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?
> 
> 
> One man’s trash is another’s treasure as they say, Siri certainly isn’t trash 
> to many, and I do think many will enjoy having on their desktop.  I do find 
> siri helpful for web searches, or asking the weather forecast.
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Why is Siri so important? I hardly use it on my iPhone and i probably won’t 
>> use it on the Mac assuming it will be available in Sweden that is.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 14 juni 2016 kl. 19:32 skrev Ray Foret jr :
>>> 
>>> Folks, looks like we will be getting Siri when Mac OS Sierra comes out this 
>>> Fall.  During the keynote yesterday, they used Samantha as the voice so I’m 
>>> not sure if the Mac will be getting the voices we’ve been enjoying on our 
>>> iPHones for a little while now.  Just wondered if anybody had their own 
>>> impressions of Mac OS Sierra yet?  Of course, I realize that it’s hard to 
>>> get much of an impression from a demo meant for the light dependant;  
>>> still, just thought I’d ask.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?