Re: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!

[Scott Granados]

Lol and you can’t forget the food.  No wait, that’s freedom fries, never mind.:)


> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> , a French guy.
> 
> Louis Braille.
> 
> Can't remember why but oh well something good out of france other than wine 
> and the tour.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 1:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!
> 
> I personally would rather some sort of RSA or DH scheme for encryption but 
> braille ain’t a bad idea.:)  Especially for communicating in the clear.  To 
> easy to translate though but if memory serves didn’t braille come from a 
> military code originally?
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi ET,
>> 
>> Interesting thought on the BRL file for storing passwords,
>> 
>> I can honestly say that if you did that and I got hold of the file or a 
>> printed list of passwords written in braille I'd still be reading it in 6 
>> months.
>> 
>> It's not that I can't read braille but I just don’t' do it enough to 
>> remember it as well as I should.
>> 
>> I just encrypt my files for those I need to.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 1:45 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!
>> 
>> Traci and others,
>>   Finally took a look at these articles. I did not see any responses but 
>> here is what I see in this.
>> 
>>   What are the risks with encryption? Forget a password and you are dead in 
>> the water? I suppose those of us who can create braille hard copy should be 
>> safe. Or even a brf file kept on a braille display.
>> 
>>   With so many passwords, sometimes I am overwhelmed even with an app like 
>> 1Password.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 7/7/2016 1:52 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:
>>> Here are some interesting articles about securing data on our Macs 
>>> and encrypting back ups & external drives.
>>> 
>>> 5 Ways to Keep Your Mac's Data Safe and Secure - The Mac Observer 
>>> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/5-ways-to-keep-your-macs-data-
>>> s 
>>> afe-and-secure?utm_source=macobserver_medium=rss_campaign=rss
>>> _
>>> tips
>>> 
>>> OS X: Encrypting Time Machine Backups - The Mac Observer 
>>> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/os-x-encrypting-time-machine-b
>>> a
>>> ckups
>>> 
>>> Does anyone follow any or all of the above tips?  Do you have 
>>> additional or alternative recommendations?  I find this stuff 
>>> fascinating and useful.  Maybe other Mac users will as well.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> Traci
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Nah Simon, hang in there, live long enough for the Singularity and you’ll be 
able to download your brain in to a machine and we’ll be laughing about the 
idea of laptops or desktops.

Kurzweil says by 2045, I hope I make it.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> But I want it this year, I'll be getting to old in a few years.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 1:13 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> A TB SSD would probably be a bit thick althoughI suppose you can wire the 
> chips in any physical configuration you want.  It’s not like the old IBM 990K 
> where you had to have non 90 degree turns in the wiring so the electrons 
> wouldn’t over heat at the turns and cause to much thermal noise.
> 
> Biggest problem with your proposed config would probably be battery drain but 
> give it a few years.  We’ll have way more than that in the form factor you 
> want.
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:18 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeahscott,
>> 
>> My perfect machine would be an 11inch mac book air with I7 quad core 
>> processor and at least 32 gig ram with a 1tb ssd harddrive.
>> 
>> I like the size of the machine, the work time is great and the size is easy 
>> to fit in a bag if I'm mobile.
>> But I can't run the things I really want to run at one time.
>> Ok so that type of processor and amount of ram would probably melt the 
>> keyboard but surely they could put better heat disapation into the design.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:27 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> This is one area I have issues with apple.  Especially in the pro line I 
>> wish they would support more than 16GB.  As someone who likes to spin up a 
>> lot of VSRX instances,  it would be nice to have lots of extra memory.
>> 
>> Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I 
>> suspect I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:)
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Max
>>> 
>>> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great 
>>> machine, No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older 
>>> model which there is only one model of.
>>> 
>>> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the 
>>> harddrives in the pros now are ssd So although the air can do what 
>>> the pro does, the air only currently goes to 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 
>>> 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram and 1TB SSD But if your not 
>>> doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing then you 
>>> shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing 
>>> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but 
>>> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort 
>>> them for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or 
>>> there abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to 
>>> lose a little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm 
>>> maxing out the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. 
>>> thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> 
 The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the 
 faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than 
 the iPad air2  except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great 
 for quad speakers.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
 
 sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
 hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
 stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, 
 Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 
> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
> 
> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Hi Simon, I hear you, I priced one out and hit about $12,000 before I even 
bought a monitor.  That’s a lot to spend for a hobby or experiment though.  
I’ll probably go iMac just because do I really need that many cores. I bet the 
iMac will run all the plugins and such I want to try out.  Would rather spend 
that extra money on some vintage synth gear.

All this vintage synth and music gear talk makes me wonder what happened to 
Joe’s Garage. In the main mix position in Joe’s Garage you could mix in several 
axes complete with over head and floor mounted speakers. 

Thanks for the feedback on the Pro though.  As much as I’d love one that’s hard 
to justify with out making money with it.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> HI Scott,
> 
> I've seen one being used but haven't had a play with one myself.
> 
> The new mac pros that is.
> 
> They resemble a small trash bin,
> Almost like a small R2D2  droid.
> 
> But nothing showing on the front but you turn them around and they've got a 
> panel approx. 5inchs square that has all the connections on it.
> 
> The model I got to see was the vbasic version with only 16 gig ram, but we 
> priced one for a joke that was fully speced to the max that came to just 
> under 30 thousand NZ dollars.
> 
> Very fast machine if you have a SSD with the os on it and good amount of ram.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  I’ve 
> been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station might 
> be a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If you’re 
> using the later, any impressions?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, 
>> I installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and 
>> a 1 TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite 
>> well with El Capitan now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
>> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most 
>> people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but 
>> getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. 
>> Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three 
>> year mark before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 
>> MacBook Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac 
>> G4 in the basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no 
>> longer planned obsolescence through hardware failure but by software that 
>> requires more and more. Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the 
>> call on whether I can live with a particular piece of hardware running 
>> software frozen in time. At least with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 
>> even if it's a bit pokey.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you 
>>> buy it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an 
>>> access panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered 
>>> to the board.
>>> 
 On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
 
 Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested 
 in doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer 
 for RAM upgrades.
> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to 
> yourself, you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, 
> mine can be upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is 
> decent.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> Hey Arnold,
>> 
>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>> 
>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but 
>>> only 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty 
>>> for me.  They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any 
>>> opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Scott,

I guess us Canadians are fairly progressive :).  Actually, it seems to just 
take the right leadership willing to give it a try.  When I first interviewed  
over 28 years ago for the School District I currently work for, the Assistant 
Superintendent interviewed me.  My blindness didn't seem to phase him at all, 
and he went back to the Superintendent and recommended to hire me to teach Math 
and Computer Science in our schools.  We do not have any "Schools for the 
blind" out here in the west, so my upbringing and subsequent classroom teaching 
experience was all in mainstream schools.  Yes, it took some "I'll show you" 
attitude sometimes, but that only works with open minded people in the first 
place.  Positive attitudes and perseverance go a long way and help to make 
in-roads for better acceptance and openness in the future for persons with 
various disabilities or challenges.

Oh well, enough spouting off from me for now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 13, 2016, at 23:06, Scott Granados  wrote:

Hi Dona, I always learn something new from these discussions and have my 
horizons widened.  On another list I learned of a low vision registered nurse 
which surprised me as well as engine rebuilders and furniture builders.

The only blind person I’ve ever ran in to in a professional setting randomly 
was in Canada.  The curator of the Alexander Graham Bell museum was blind and 
gave me quite a tour.  Got to touch a lot of the old phone equipment which for 
me was so cool since it’s the foundation of everything I work in today.  I 
haven’t met any other blind people other than on lists in customer facing 
positions.  I did see several going to work though when I worked out west.

I find myself as guilty of being surprised when someone has a job I don’t 
understand how they do and being surprised which in the same breath makes me 
even more guilty for reacting like a sited person that way.  So I like having 
my viewpoints expanded by these type of conversations on list because I think 
they help me be more open minded in life.

 
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 11:00 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I agree.  I think it's really fun and interesting getting to know a bit about 
> list members' history and early computer experiences.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I love reading this personal historical info on folks.  Sure, off topic, but 
>> totally acceptable in my world.  The common thread here is supportive and 
>> progressive parents and teachers.  I really didn't use Braille until my late 
>> teens, probably due to having some usable sight and an immature desire to 
>> not be considered blind.  Consequently, my Braille is limited to Grade 1, 
>> and primarily only used to cheat, oops, I mean play cards with others.  I 
>> was a classroom teacher for about 25 years then moved into Admin as a 
>> Technology Consultant and Project Manager for a new Science & Tech Centre in 
>> our School District.  Probably 95% of my computer experience has been with 
>> Apple products with a smattering of Digital Equipment Main Frames and 
>> Windows.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 07:53, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> 
>> That's really interesting.  I didn't do as well as you with the Optacon.  I 
>> was a very fast braille reader, and at age 11, lacked the patience for the 
>> slow speed of reading with the Optacon.  But I can see where it would have 
>> been different having a specific purpose in mind.  I was using it to read 
>> fiction, which I could do much more efficiently with braille.  Probably had 
>> I had a need to do something specific with it--and frankly, had I also been 
>> a little older--I would have been more driven to stick with it.
>> 
>> It's funny, I still have my Optacon.  It's just sitting in our basement 
>> gathering dust.  I probably should do something with it some day.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 1:19 AM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I grew up in England and between the ages of 7 and 17, attended schools for 
>>> the blind where maths was taught, but the only science was biology, which 
>>> didn’t interest me at the time. I would have preferred to learn physics.
>>> I finished my secondary education in a mainstream school and specialised in 
>>> languages. I studied French at university, but then I went into computer 
>>> programming.
>>> The tool that allowed me to work on an equal footing with my sighted 
>>> colleagues was the optacon. I was able to read the terminal screen and 
>>> printout. I programmed the Apple ii in hexadecimal and read all the manuals 
>>> using the optacon.
>>> I 

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

Maurice, don’t let the rehab folks steer you wrong.  Mac skills are very 
valuable in the work place.  Many companies are going all Mac.  I worked for 
Thomson International for a while and they switched out 60,000 Dells with Macs, 
most investment firms are Mac, Juniper was all Mac, Trip Advisor all Mac, are 
you seeing a trend here?  Many companies, especially technology companies are 
using the Mac heavily.  There’s a lot of windows out there but remember, your 
Mac runs both so as you said fire up what you need at the time.  Just don’t be 
steered in to windows only, that’s becoming less and less common every day.  
Sounds like a rehab department paid off by FS to me.

> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:52 PM, maurice.mines  wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon, I figured I’d chime in on this thread, my computing life 
> somewhat goes like this Windows for a great number of years, then I wind up 
> going to grad school and switching completely to the Mac, now rehab tells me 
> that in order to get any type of employment I must use Windows, instead of a 
> Mac. In truth I’m quite comfortable with both operating systems. However I 
> spend most of my time on the Mac side of the house, because the dictation 
> software that I’m using to write this response is on the Mac side, however 
> some of the applications such as a specialized application that I use for 
> amateur radio stuff is on the Windows side only, and some of the 
> wordprocessing things that I have to do in office are primarily on the 
> Windows side. I guess what I’m getting at here is that I use whatever 
> operating system, and applications best gets a particular task done. I’m not 
> a programmer, but I’ve got this idea for an application in my head and in my 
> spare time I’m trying to figure out the best way to maybe one day in the 
> distant future make it into a reality. That will just have to come later. As 
> far is the discussion about using braille, these days I’m very definitely 
> deaf blind so you can guess that braille is a very large part of my computing 
> experience due to the fact that if there’s something, that I just can’t hear, 
> I have to be able to read it and not rely on synthetic speech. And these days 
> I like to have my braille by a Bluetooth, fewer cables connecting our devices 
> I think is a good thing from an overall safety standpoint however the hassles 
> and using Bluetooth, or whatever short range communications method may come 
> in the future it is likely to outweigh the issues of not having a physical 
> cable between the devices. Just my thoughts on this. On July like afternoon 
> in the Pacific Northwest part of the United States.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice mines.
> Message number, 360-524-9331.
> Amateur radio call sign, kd0iko.
> note that the text of my comments have been dictated to the computer by using 
> Dragon version 5 for Mac OS, if there are errors in the text of my comments 
> they may be the result of either the software or the dictation process. If 
> there’s something that you truly didn’t understand please let me know, I will 
> do my very best to clear up any misunderstandings.
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:28 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I love reading this personal historical info on folks.  Sure, off topic, but 
>> totally acceptable in my world.  The common thread here is supportive and 
>> progressive parents and teachers.  I really didn't use Braille until my late 
>> teens, probably due to having some usable sight and an immature desire to 
>> not be considered blind.  Consequently, my Braille is limited to Grade 1, 
>> and primarily only used to cheat, oops, I mean play cards with others.  I 
>> was a classroom teacher for about 25 years then moved into Admin as a 
>> Technology Consultant and Project Manager for a new Science & Tech Centre in 
>> our School District.  Probably 95% of my computer experience has been with 
>> Apple products with a smattering of Digital Equipment Main Frames and 
>> Windows.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 07:53, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> 
>> That's really interesting.  I didn't do as well as you with the Optacon.  I 
>> was a very fast braille reader, and at age 11, lacked the patience for the 
>> slow speed of reading with the Optacon.  But I can see where it would have 
>> been different having a specific purpose in mind.  I was using it to read 
>> fiction, which I could do much more efficiently with braille.  Probably had 
>> I had a need to do something specific with it--and frankly, had I also been 
>> a little older--I would have been more driven to stick with it.
>> 
>> It's funny, I still have my Optacon.  It's just sitting in our basement 
>> gathering dust.  I probably should do something with it some day.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 1:19 

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

Whoa, now that’s interesting.

I worked in music production as well and boy do I wish I knew about outspoken 
then.

I always wanted to take that program at Berkeley School of Music but I was way 
to much of a slacker to get in to a good program like that haha.  I did however 
learn the Synclavier but I used more the keyboard interface and the discrete 
buttons on the front panel instead of the Mac 2FX computer it was integrated 
with.  I also used the Fairlight CMI heavily because it was so keyboard 
(alphanumeric keyboard) driven with very well laid out pages and command 
sequences easily referenced.  I worked for a time with the folks at Wave Frame 
and staged the hardware and shipped out the configuration for a former member 
of Genesis who I knew from my time on the Fairlight platform.  I didn’t get to 
go to London to Reel World unfortunately for the installation but I’d been 
there previously for a demonstration of a CMI III.

I also specialized in the SSL mixing console for another blast from the past.  
Boy I wish I still had one.  I used a 6000E and series G later. 

Wow the British and Australians made good gear.  That’s not to say the folks in 
White River Junction Vermont (later Lebanon New Hampshire) didn’t know what 
they were doing but I always found the synclavier more complicated to use than 
the CMI.

Are you still working in the music space? I envy you if you do.  I was always a 
much better technologist than music guy though.  I actually wish I had some 
level of skill other than getting the faders set right and the right push with 
the perimetric EQ but there you go. DBX compressor anyone?


> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:38 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna and Scott. I thought I would chime in too.
> 
> Yes, you're right about Apple starting accessibility over 30 years ago, even 
> before we had voiceover and the mac. It sounds like my experience is somewhat 
> similar to yours, even though I was born a few years later and I started 
> using computers and technology at an earlier age. My dad was more of a 
> computer and tech guy too, but both my parents used the computer often at 
> home and at work.
> 
> I grew up during the 1980s and 90s. I have an older sister so I was the 
> youngest and the only blind person in my family. I was born in Ohio 3 months 
> premature and have been blind since birth. My family moved to the Chicago 
> suburbs when I was 2, which is where I grew up. I lived in that area for 18 
> years until I was 20. My family has always been very encouraging and 
> supportive. They wanted to give me the best education possible, so I was 
> mainstreamed in public schools from age 3 to high school. The elementary 
> school I attended was a few miles away in another city from where we lived, 
> but they had a great Special Ed program with a resource room for all the kids 
> with blindness and other disabilities. I would go there if I wasn’t with the 
> regular classroom teacher during part of the day like for Reading or Math. 
> The vision teacher in my resource room and the rest of the staff at the 
> school were all great! Besides my parents helping me learn and encouraging me 
> to be independent, The school provided all the extra services I needed back 
> then like reading Braille, O and M skills, and basic daily living skills. I 
> still use braille often, and that skill along with the others are very 
> important for employment and being independent. In middle and high school, I 
> worked with an itinerant teacher for an hour and was in regular classes with 
> the sighted students the rest of the day.
> 
> one of the first computers I used in elementary school was the Apple II E 
> with that robotic sounding Echo speech synthesizer. The Alex voice and 
> synthesized speech have come a long way since then!! :-) I remember when I 
> was about four and five years old and pressing different keys on the Apple 2 
> keyboard. I thought it was really cool how the Echo synthesizer would 
> pronounce everything, and that you could change the speech rate and pitch of 
> the voice. It would always sound really funny  talking in a really high or 
> low pitch!
> 
> When I was in first grade, my parents bought an Apple II GS computer. my 
> sister and I used to play a lot of games on it and some of them had speech 
> using the Echo synthesizer so I could play them myself. I remember using the 
> old word processing programs too like Braille Edit and another one called 
> ProWord ProBraille in middle and high school. Everything was all on 3.5 inch 
> floppy disc back then, or they were on those bigger 5 and 1/4 inch diskettes. 
> During most of my elementary school years, my mom worked at a high school in 
> a resource room. She worked as a teacher assistant to the main resource 
> teacher preparing materials in Braille for the blind and visually impaired 
> students. When she would put handouts and other information in Braille for me 
> or the high school 

Re: trouble uploading videos on facebook on mac

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I haven't used it in a while, but it was always accurate for me when uploading 
movies to YouTube.  So, I'd expect that it's interface with FaceBook would also 
be reliable.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 13, 2016, at 20:56, Dionipher Herrera  wrote:

Goodmorning to all, i am just wondering, how accurate is the share button on 
quicktime player and on imovie to facebook? seems like it wouldn’t share the 
video i am posting. thanks.

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Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

Hi Dona, I always learn something new from these discussions and have my 
horizons widened.  On another list I learned of a low vision registered nurse 
which surprised me as well as engine rebuilders and furniture builders.

The only blind person I’ve ever ran in to in a professional setting randomly 
was in Canada.  The curator of the Alexander Graham Bell museum was blind and 
gave me quite a tour.  Got to touch a lot of the old phone equipment which for 
me was so cool since it’s the foundation of everything I work in today.  I 
haven’t met any other blind people other than on lists in customer facing 
positions.  I did see several going to work though when I worked out west.

I find myself as guilty of being surprised when someone has a job I don’t 
understand how they do and being surprised which in the same breath makes me 
even more guilty for reacting like a sited person that way.  So I like having 
my viewpoints expanded by these type of conversations on list because I think 
they help me be more open minded in life.

 
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 11:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I agree.  I think it's really fun and interesting getting to know a bit about 
> list members' history and early computer experiences.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I love reading this personal historical info on folks.  Sure, off topic, but 
>> totally acceptable in my world.  The common thread here is supportive and 
>> progressive parents and teachers.  I really didn't use Braille until my late 
>> teens, probably due to having some usable sight and an immature desire to 
>> not be considered blind.  Consequently, my Braille is limited to Grade 1, 
>> and primarily only used to cheat, oops, I mean play cards with others.  I 
>> was a classroom teacher for about 25 years then moved into Admin as a 
>> Technology Consultant and Project Manager for a new Science & Tech Centre in 
>> our School District.  Probably 95% of my computer experience has been with 
>> Apple products with a smattering of Digital Equipment Main Frames and 
>> Windows.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 07:53, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> 
>> That's really interesting.  I didn't do as well as you with the Optacon.  I 
>> was a very fast braille reader, and at age 11, lacked the patience for the 
>> slow speed of reading with the Optacon.  But I can see where it would have 
>> been different having a specific purpose in mind.  I was using it to read 
>> fiction, which I could do much more efficiently with braille.  Probably had 
>> I had a need to do something specific with it--and frankly, had I also been 
>> a little older--I would have been more driven to stick with it.
>> 
>> It's funny, I still have my Optacon.  It's just sitting in our basement 
>> gathering dust.  I probably should do something with it some day.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 1:19 AM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I grew up in England and between the ages of 7 and 17, attended schools for 
>>> the blind where maths was taught, but the only science was biology, which 
>>> didn’t interest me at the time. I would have preferred to learn physics.
>>> I finished my secondary education in a mainstream school and specialised in 
>>> languages. I studied French at university, but then I went into computer 
>>> programming.
>>> The tool that allowed me to work on an equal footing with my sighted 
>>> colleagues was the optacon. I was able to read the terminal screen and 
>>> printout. I programmed the Apple ii in hexadecimal and read all the manuals 
>>> using the optacon.
>>> I didn’t use speech on a computer until we got a Mac, a 2SI, during the 90s 
>>> and I purchased OutSpoken.
>>> It never occurred to me that I might not be able to get a job as a blind 
>>> person once the optacon became available to me.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 12 Jul 2016, at 05:15, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hey Scott,
 
 First let me say that on a very fundamental level I agree with your post.  
 But ...
 
 As a kid, I somehow sort of absorbed the fact that because I was blind, 
 math and the sciences weren't for me.  And this despite the fact that my 
 dad was a computer guy, who spent lots of time and energy conveying to me 
 how important tech would be for me..  Some of my earliest memories are of 
 him bringing home those old computer punch cards and magnetic tapes for my 
 brother and me to play with.  I remember going with him into the office on 
 Saturdays and seeing the computer, which was this great big behemoth that 
 took up an entire room.  I 

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

David, I like your history, not to point out a bad thing but I like your 
comments on failed businesses.  I’m right there with you.
I always hid my blindness when possible while doing business.  I had 
for a while, especially during my first attempt, sited folks that I put out 
front and I mainly dealt with people through telephones or email etc.  This 
worked for several years although there were reporters and other people very 
interested in my business (an internet provider) at the time who made it 
challenging to hide.  I would actually only allow these people close if I was 
able to maintain control and final approval whether something would be released 
and I had a marketing person for a while who I made review everything to make 
sure no hints leaked out.  I remember meeting a fellow business owner later in 
the history of that company who convinced me to completely drop that policy and 
had his marketing droid try to convince me to use my image in marketing 
campaigns which I never went that far but I definitely loosened things up.  I’m 
glad though that person got through to me.
Oh and I still have a PDP 11.:) Complete with the 8 dip switches and 
submit button so you can enter in the first few bytes by hand to boot the box 
and start loading from tape.


> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:58 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> I guess I will chime in here. I was congenitally (born) blind. My brother, 
> who is two years older, is also blind.
> 
> We started school at a blindness school, and then attended a bording school 
> for the blind. My parents decided to mainstream us when I entered 6th grade. 
> The schools for the blind taught me certain skills such as braille, quite 
> well. Fortunately, I was mainstreamed early enough to get a healthy dose of 
> normal (sighted) culture.
> 
> I attended a private highschool (the best school in the state) which I was 
> able to enter because I scored well enough on the entrance exam. Resource 
> teachers were not allowed to work at private schools, so I was pretty much on 
> my own, in an academically challenging environment, from 9th grade. Note: I 
> was registered in the nearby public highschool, so was able to see a resource 
> teacher there for 45 minutes per day, four days per week. That person did the 
> important braille transcription for tests. At school, however, everything was 
> my responsibility.
> 
> I took a basic programming course when I was a senior. I enjoyed it so much 
> that I decided to become a computer systems engineer. That lasted one 
> semester at university. I broke my wrist, so could not type for 8 weeks. I 
> then floundered at a community college for a few years, became a massage 
> therapist, became a technology salesperson, became an accessibility interface 
> evaluater and an accessibility advocate, failed a couple businesses, then 
> returned to university for a bachelors in business admin management followed 
> by a masters in counseling. After I completed university, I independently 
> immigrated to New Zealand. I currently work as the mental health specialist 
> at a small doctor's clinic.
> 
> I started technology working on a PDP1170 mainframe. My first personal system 
> was a Blazie Braille 'n Speak 640 which I used to access local BBSs. I then 
> went to DOS, followed by Windows. I switched to the Mac with OSX Mountain 
> Lion. I wanted to support the only mainstream company that was actively fully 
> working toward blindness accessibility.
> 
> I am now dabbling with Android as well as iOS. Because Android gives more 
> control to the end user, I suspect it will eventually supercede Apple, so I 
> am working with it. I remember Beta vs VHS. Sony owned both, Beta was better, 
> so Sony licensed out VHS. Many more people worked with VHS, so it eventually 
> surpassed Beta.
> 
> Personally, I much prefer Apple's stance on privacy and security. Kids, on 
> the other hand, are so inundated with open social media, that they, for the 
> most part, do not appear to have the same concerns. Oh well, time will tell 
> where things actually end up going. I will enjoy the ride while I am able, 
> and keep playing with these wonderfully more and more accessible toys.
> 
> As a side note: now that it has been brought to my attention, I am noticing 
> that, in this decidely unscientificly random sampling, it appears to be those 
> who attended normal school who seem to have adapted better to life in the 
> sighted world. Well, at least, those who had annoying parents that pushed, 
> and at least one resource teacher who bucked the trend. My partner, being a 
> resource teacher, tells me that the resource teachers see how it is for the 
> sighted students. Blindness specific teachers in blindness units in schools 
> are in a closed loop, so they do not see the sighted trends.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 13 

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

I’m hoping there’s some hyperbole or excess here to make a point because on the 
surface your message disturbs me.  You’re far to smart to end up in a group 
home.  I’ve seen your posts here and other places, you don’t seem like group 
home material to me. How can we help avoid such a thing?
 

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> I talked to her years ago, before she joined Apple. Yeah, she’s pretty cool. 
> I guess I’m the blindie here. I grew up a pampered kid in a lower-middle 
> class home. I went and somehow graduated from the Alabama school for the 
> blind, where teachers seemed to care but just couldn’t do much, or didn’t 
> know what to do, exactly. As you can imagine, they then shuttled me off to 
> the adult learning facility, E.H. Gentry, where I attend now. I know more 
> than I did when I left ASB, sure, but these blindness organizations just 
> aren’t all that organized, at least here in the state of football and 
> rednecks. I just hope that I can get at least something to happen before my 
> family decides a group home would indeed be just the spot to plop down their 
> poor blind boy that just can’t seem to learn independence and advocacy skills 
> no matter where the Alabama Institute sends him. Oh discordia.
> Sent from my Mac.
> 
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:38 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Katie,
>> 
>> Yep, I agree with everything you pointed out.  It really is a nice braille 
>> display.  I haven't had the problem you describe, so I'm afraid I can't help 
>> you.  Have you tried calling tech support or posting the VarioUltra list?  
>> It's a great list, with some very helpful and knowledgeable folks.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:52 PM, Katie Zodrow >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Donna.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I’ve been learning to use the VarioUltra since May and love it! :-) 
>>> its the best braille display for me so far. I think its great you can just 
>>> connect a device like your phone via bluetooth and it works once the 
>>> pairing is successfully connected. I can also text or email people with 
>>> just my iphone and the braille display, so that’s awesome I don’t always 
>>> need to constantly use dictation. Its really cool that you can just charge 
>>> the device with a USB cable too instead of carrying around a 12 volt 
>>> charger. The only problem I have sometimes is opening documents. Yesterday, 
>>> I tried opening a couple files with the USB stick connected to the device. 
>>> They were in .docx format, an every time I’d press the navistick to open 
>>> the file, I would get a warning that said the file could not be opened. 
>>> Really strange. The VU is the lightest and smallest display I’ve ever seen 
>>> compared to my old Braille Lite 40 and the BrailleNote MPower. Those were 
>>> the 2 previous notetakers I used with braille displays. I’ll be getting 
>>> some more training again with the VU in a couple days, so hopefully I can 
>>> find out why the documents were not opening from my flash drive.
 Katie
>>> 
 On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi Katie,
 
 Isn't the VarioUltra the best?  Earlier tonight I was thinking about how 
 bulky things used to be.  My first braille display was a TSI Navigator.  
 The thing was huge.  I used to carry around what was basically a large 
 briefcase, just to carry around my PC laptop and my braille display, and 
 of course, all the accompanying cables and chargers..  When I compare that 
 with now carrying around my MBA and VU,, not to mention having the option 
 of pairing the VU with the iPhone, the difference between then and now is 
 really striking.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Katie Zodrow  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna and Scott. I thought I would chime in too.
> 
> Yes, you're right about Apple starting accessibility over 30 years ago, 
> even before we had voiceover and the mac. It sounds like my experience is 
> somewhat similar to yours, even though I was born a few years later and I 
> started using computers and technology at an earlier age. My dad was more 
> of a computer and tech guy too, but both my parents used the computer 
> often at home and at work.
> 
> I grew up during the 1980s and 90s. I have an older sister so I was the 
> youngest and the only blind person in my family. I was born in Ohio 3 
> months premature and have been blind since birth. My family moved to the 
> Chicago suburbs when I was 2, which is where I grew up. I lived in that 
> area for 18 years until I was 20. My family has always been very 
> encouraging and supportive. 

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

Katie, there are many who work for Apple and have for years, some on this list. 
 The fact is, there are many blind people in Technology in all sorts of 
capacities not just accessibility.  We’ve got some accomplished software 
developers, unix and windows systems administrators, accessibility 
professionals, database administrators, and of course network engineers (ok I’m 
showing my bias lol). Cisco Systems, a provider of routing and switching 
equipment among other things offered to provide their documentation to me years 
ago at no cost in braille.  In print their basic routing documentation filled 
several bookshelves so the braille equivalent would have been massive.  Luckily 
they also had everything searchable on CD or online so I never took them up on 
it but I was so pleased at the time they made the offer.  Cisco is one company 
that has always been accommodating. Their competitor Juniper was also very good 
and had no problem providing additional free resources but in full disclosure, 
they also hired me so I’m partial.:)

Jordan while very good to see and again she sounds like a really sharp young 
lady is by no means a new thing.  In the history of the development of the 
Internet there have been many disabled people including the blind and I know of 
several deaf engineers or business types who started or grew major networks.


> On Jul 13, 2016, at 5:50 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
> 
> That’s cool you talked with Jordyn before she joined Apple. I knew there were 
> probably some blind people working at Apple with Voiceover. It was 
> interesting to read about her experience in that article. Yeah, she sounds 
> pretty cool.
> Katie
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Devin Prater > > wrote:
>> 
>> I talked to her years ago, before she joined Apple. Yeah, she’s pretty cool. 
>> I guess I’m the blindie here. I grew up a pampered kid in a lower-middle 
>> class home. I went and somehow graduated from the Alabama school for the 
>> blind, where teachers seemed to care but just couldn’t do much, or didn’t 
>> know what to do, exactly. As you can imagine, they then shuttled me off to 
>> the adult learning facility, E.H. Gentry, where I attend now. I know more 
>> than I did when I left ASB, sure, but these blindness organizations just 
>> aren’t all that organized, at least here in the state of football and 
>> rednecks. I just hope that I can get at least something to happen before my 
>> family decides a group home would indeed be just the spot to plop down their 
>> poor blind boy that just can’t seem to learn independence and advocacy 
>> skills no matter where the Alabama Institute sends him. Oh discordia.
>> Sent from my Mac.
>> 
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:38 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Katie,
>>> 
>>> Yep, I agree with everything you pointed out.  It really is a nice braille 
>>> display.  I haven't had the problem you describe, so I'm afraid I can't 
>>> help you.  Have you tried calling tech support or posting the VarioUltra 
>>> list?  It's a great list, with some very helpful and knowledgeable folks.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:52 PM, Katie Zodrow > wrote:
 
 Hi, Donna.
 
 Yes, I’ve been learning to use the VarioUltra since May and love it! :-) 
 its the best braille display for me so far. I think its great you can just 
 connect a device like your phone via bluetooth and it works once the 
 pairing is successfully connected. I can also text or email people with 
 just my iphone and the braille display, so that’s awesome I don’t always 
 need to constantly use dictation. Its really cool that you can just charge 
 the device with a USB cable too instead of carrying around a 12 volt 
 charger. The only problem I have sometimes is opening documents. 
 Yesterday, I tried opening a couple files with the USB stick connected to 
 the device. They were in .docx format, an every time I’d press the 
 navistick to open the file, I would get a warning that said the file could 
 not be opened. Really strange. The VU is the lightest and smallest display 
 I’ve ever seen compared to my old Braille Lite 40 and the BrailleNote 
 MPower. Those were the 2 previous notetakers I used with braille displays. 
 I’ll be getting some more training again with the VU in a couple days, so 
 hopefully I can find out why the documents were not opening from my flash 
 drive.
> Katie
 
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Katie,
> 
> Isn't the VarioUltra the best?  Earlier tonight I was thinking about how 
> bulky things used to be.  My first braille display was a TSI 

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

Hi, I’ve heard that 70% number far before the 90S.  I absolutely trust david’s 
statements and such but I think that idea has an even earlier history.  I 
remember hearing it from my mother in the 80S when she would attend some 
parents conferences.  Scared the heck out of my parents and they put me to work 
as young as possible.  Were I sited I think they would have done the same 
thing.  Many families, sited or blind, push their kids to work early, 
especially if they have family businesses.

I wonder how far back this stat actually goes though and like you I hope it’s 
60 or lower today, the lower the better.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:22 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
> 
> Hi, David. I’ve also heard the same statistic for a long time that 70 percent 
>  of blind people are unemployed. I didn’t realize the study was probably from 
> the 1990’s. I hope that number has dropped since that time as well. 60 
> percent is a good improvement though.
> Katie
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi David, you know, I’ve heard that 70% number for ever, even pre 1995.  I 
>> hope you’re right though, I’d love to see that number drop meaningfully.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:24 PM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, those stats are from a study which is about 18 years old. Even 
>>> worse, however, is the stats about unemployment of the blind. Those stats, 
>>> often sited in studies across the board, come from a study published in 
>>> 1995 or 1997 (I would need to look it up again for the exact date). The 
>>> most recent info I have seen was published by the state of Oregon in 2007 
>>> (if memory serves) which places blindness unemployment rate at around 60%, 
>>> not the often sited 70% to 80%. Note: I researched this in 2012, so am 
>>> unaware of any data published since then.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: nexu...@icloud.com 
>>> Mobile: 0450 788 988
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On 12 Jul 2016, at 08:30, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Interesting stats they mention about correlation between braille literacy 
 and employment. I just had an iOS developer reach out to me who said WWDC 
 had a heavy emphasis on accessibility this year. I've never been so I 
 can't compare. I hope that's true. Nothing but good can come from more 
 developers become aware and care.
 
 CB
 
 On 7/11/16 2:29 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> Well, this is interesting story. I don't believe they mention anything 
> about braille. But at least it shows there are people  at Apple  working 
> on accessibility.
> http://mashable.com/2016/07/10/apple-innovation-blind-engineer/#RihiKu145Oqr
>  
> 
> 
> This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22
> 
> Apple engineer Jordyn Castor has never been one for limitations. 
> 
> She was born 15 weeks early, weighing just under two pounds. Her 
> grandfather could hold her in the palm of his hand, and could even slide 
> his wedding ring along her arm and over her shoulder. Doctors said she 
> had a slim chance of survival.
> 
> It was Castor's first brush with limited expectations — and also the 
> first time she shattered them.
> 
> Castor, now 22, has been blind since birth, a result of her early 
> delivery. But throughout childhood, her parents encouraged her to defy 
> expectations of people with disabilities, motivating her to be 
> adventurous, hands-on and insatiably curious.
> 
> It was that spirit that led to her interact with technology, whether it 
> was the desktop computer her family bought when she was in second grade, 
> or the classroom computer teachers encouraged her to use in school. 
> 
>  <>"I could help make technology more accessible for blind users." 
> She says the adults in her life would often hand her a gadget, telling 
> her to figure it out and show them how to use it. And she would.
> 
> "I realized then I could code on the computer to have it fulfill the 
> tasks I wanted it to," says Castor, whose current work focuses on 
> enhancing features like VoiceOver for blind Apple users. "I came to 
> realize that with my knowledge of computers and technology, I could help 
> change the world for people with disabilities.
> 
> "I could help make technology more accessible for blind users."
> 
> Bringing a 

trouble uploading videos on facebook on mac

[Dionipher Herrera]

Goodmorning to all, i am just wondering, how accurate is the share button on 
quicktime player and on imovie to facebook? seems like it wouldn’t share the 
video i am posting. thanks.

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Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Katie Zodrow]

Hi, David. I’ve also heard the same statistic for a long time that 70 percent  
of blind people are unemployed. I didn’t realize the study was probably from 
the 1990’s. I hope that number has dropped since that time as well. 60 percent 
is a good improvement though.
Katie
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi David, you know, I’ve heard that 70% number for ever, even pre 1995.  I 
> hope you’re right though, I’d love to see that number drop meaningfully.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:24 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, those stats are from a study which is about 18 years old. Even 
>> worse, however, is the stats about unemployment of the blind. Those stats, 
>> often sited in studies across the board, come from a study published in 1995 
>> or 1997 (I would need to look it up again for the exact date). The most 
>> recent info I have seen was published by the state of Oregon in 2007 (if 
>> memory serves) which places blindness unemployment rate at around 60%, not 
>> the often sited 70% to 80%. Note: I researched this in 2012, so am unaware 
>> of any data published since then.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: nexu...@icloud.com 
>> Mobile: 0450 788 988
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On 12 Jul 2016, at 08:30, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting stats they mention about correlation between braille literacy 
>>> and employment. I just had an iOS developer reach out to me who said WWDC 
>>> had a heavy emphasis on accessibility this year. I've never been so I can't 
>>> compare. I hope that's true. Nothing but good can come from more developers 
>>> become aware and care.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 7/11/16 2:29 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
 Well, this is interesting story. I don't believe they mention anything 
 about braille. But at least it shows there are people  at Apple  working 
 on accessibility.
 http://mashable.com/2016/07/10/apple-innovation-blind-engineer/#RihiKu145Oqr
  
 
 
 This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22
 
 Apple engineer Jordyn Castor has never been one for limitations. 
 
 She was born 15 weeks early, weighing just under two pounds. Her 
 grandfather could hold her in the palm of his hand, and could even slide 
 his wedding ring along her arm and over her shoulder. Doctors said she had 
 a slim chance of survival.
 
 It was Castor's first brush with limited expectations — and also the first 
 time she shattered them.
 
 Castor, now 22, has been blind since birth, a result of her early 
 delivery. But throughout childhood, her parents encouraged her to defy 
 expectations of people with disabilities, motivating her to be 
 adventurous, hands-on and insatiably curious.
 
 It was that spirit that led to her interact with technology, whether it 
 was the desktop computer her family bought when she was in second grade, 
 or the classroom computer teachers encouraged her to use in school. 
 
  <>"I could help make technology more accessible for blind users." 
 She says the adults in her life would often hand her a gadget, telling her 
 to figure it out and show them how to use it. And she would.
 
 "I realized then I could code on the computer to have it fulfill the tasks 
 I wanted it to," says Castor, whose current work focuses on enhancing 
 features like VoiceOver for blind Apple users. "I came to realize that 
 with my knowledge of computers and technology, I could help change the 
 world for people with disabilities.
 
 "I could help make technology more accessible for blind users."
 
 Bringing a personal perspective to Apple innovation
 
 There's an often overlooked component of "diversity" in workplace 
 initiatives — the need to include the perspectives of people with 
 disabilities.
 
 Keeping tabs on the needs of the blind and low-vision community is a key 
 component of Apple's innovation in accessibility. Castor is proof of how 
 much that can strengthen a company.
 
 She was a college student at Michigan State University when she was first 
 introduced to Apple at a Minneapolis job fair in 2015. Castor went to the 
 gathering of employers, already knowing the tech giant would be there — 
 and she was nervous.
 
 "You aren't going to know unless you try," she thought. "You aren't going 
 to know unless you talk to them ... so go."
 
 

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Katie Zodrow]

Hi, Donna.

No, I haven’t joined the VarioUltra list yet. Thanks for telling me about it! 
I’ll probably join it this week. My trainer also told me about the VU list when 
I first started working with him. I’m glad it has been helpful for you.
Thanks.
Katie
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Katie,
> 
> Yep, I agree with everything you pointed out.  It really is a nice braille 
> display.  I haven't had the problem you describe, so I'm afraid I can't help 
> you.  Have you tried calling tech support or posting the VarioUltra list?  
> It's a great list, with some very helpful and knowledgeable folks.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:52 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Donna.
>> 
>> Yes, I’ve been learning to use the VarioUltra since May and love it! :-) its 
>> the best braille display for me so far. I think its great you can just 
>> connect a device like your phone via bluetooth and it works once the pairing 
>> is successfully connected. I can also text or email people with just my 
>> iphone and the braille display, so that’s awesome I don’t always need to 
>> constantly use dictation. Its really cool that you can just charge the 
>> device with a USB cable too instead of carrying around a 12 volt charger. 
>> The only problem I have sometimes is opening documents. Yesterday, I tried 
>> opening a couple files with the USB stick connected to the device. They were 
>> in .docx format, an every time I’d press the navistick to open the file, I 
>> would get a warning that said the file could not be opened. Really strange. 
>> The VU is the lightest and smallest display I’ve ever seen compared to my 
>> old Braille Lite 40 and the BrailleNote MPower. Those were the 2 previous 
>> notetakers I used with braille displays. I’ll be getting some more training 
>> again with the VU in a couple days, so hopefully I can find out why the 
>> documents were not opening from my flash drive.
>>> Katie
>> 
>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Katie,
>>> 
>>> Isn't the VarioUltra the best?  Earlier tonight I was thinking about how 
>>> bulky things used to be.  My first braille display was a TSI Navigator.  
>>> The thing was huge.  I used to carry around what was basically a large 
>>> briefcase, just to carry around my PC laptop and my braille display, and of 
>>> course, all the accompanying cables and chargers..  When I compare that 
>>> with now carrying around my MBA and VU,, not to mention having the option 
>>> of pairing the VU with the iPhone, the difference between then and now is 
>>> really striking.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna and Scott. I thought I would chime in too.
 
 Yes, you're right about Apple starting accessibility over 30 years ago, 
 even before we had voiceover and the mac. It sounds like my experience is 
 somewhat similar to yours, even though I was born a few years later and I 
 started using computers and technology at an earlier age. My dad was more 
 of a computer and tech guy too, but both my parents used the computer 
 often at home and at work.
 
 I grew up during the 1980s and 90s. I have an older sister so I was the 
 youngest and the only blind person in my family. I was born in Ohio 3 
 months premature and have been blind since birth. My family moved to the 
 Chicago suburbs when I was 2, which is where I grew up. I lived in that 
 area for 18 years until I was 20. My family has always been very 
 encouraging and supportive. They wanted to give me the best education 
 possible, so I was mainstreamed in public schools from age 3 to high 
 school. The elementary school I attended was a few miles away in another 
 city from where we lived, but they had a great Special Ed program with a 
 resource room for all the kids with blindness and other disabilities. I 
 would go there if I wasn’t with the regular classroom teacher during part 
 of the day like for Reading or Math. The vision teacher in my resource 
 room and the rest of the staff at the school were all great! Besides my 
 parents helping me learn and encouraging me to be independent, The school 
 provided all the extra services I needed back then like reading Braille, O 
 and M skills, and basic daily living skills. I still use braille often, 
 and that skill along with the others are very important for employment and 
 being independent. In middle and high school, I worked with an itinerant 
 teacher for an hour and was in regular classes with the sighted students 
 the rest of the day.
 
 one of the first computers I used in elementary school was the Apple II E 
 with that robotic sounding Echo speech synthesizer. The Alex voice and 
 synthesized speech have come a long way since then!! 

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Katie Zodrow]

That’s cool you talked with Jordyn before she joined Apple. I knew there were 
probably some blind people working at Apple with Voiceover. It was interesting 
to read about her experience in that article. Yeah, she sounds pretty cool.
Katie
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> I talked to her years ago, before she joined Apple. Yeah, she’s pretty cool. 
> I guess I’m the blindie here. I grew up a pampered kid in a lower-middle 
> class home. I went and somehow graduated from the Alabama school for the 
> blind, where teachers seemed to care but just couldn’t do much, or didn’t 
> know what to do, exactly. As you can imagine, they then shuttled me off to 
> the adult learning facility, E.H. Gentry, where I attend now. I know more 
> than I did when I left ASB, sure, but these blindness organizations just 
> aren’t all that organized, at least here in the state of football and 
> rednecks. I just hope that I can get at least something to happen before my 
> family decides a group home would indeed be just the spot to plop down their 
> poor blind boy that just can’t seem to learn independence and advocacy skills 
> no matter where the Alabama Institute sends him. Oh discordia.
> Sent from my Mac.
> 
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:38 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Katie,
>> 
>> Yep, I agree with everything you pointed out.  It really is a nice braille 
>> display.  I haven't had the problem you describe, so I'm afraid I can't help 
>> you.  Have you tried calling tech support or posting the VarioUltra list?  
>> It's a great list, with some very helpful and knowledgeable folks.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:52 PM, Katie Zodrow >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Donna.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I’ve been learning to use the VarioUltra since May and love it! :-) 
>>> its the best braille display for me so far. I think its great you can just 
>>> connect a device like your phone via bluetooth and it works once the 
>>> pairing is successfully connected. I can also text or email people with 
>>> just my iphone and the braille display, so that’s awesome I don’t always 
>>> need to constantly use dictation. Its really cool that you can just charge 
>>> the device with a USB cable too instead of carrying around a 12 volt 
>>> charger. The only problem I have sometimes is opening documents. Yesterday, 
>>> I tried opening a couple files with the USB stick connected to the device. 
>>> They were in .docx format, an every time I’d press the navistick to open 
>>> the file, I would get a warning that said the file could not be opened. 
>>> Really strange. The VU is the lightest and smallest display I’ve ever seen 
>>> compared to my old Braille Lite 40 and the BrailleNote MPower. Those were 
>>> the 2 previous notetakers I used with braille displays. I’ll be getting 
>>> some more training again with the VU in a couple days, so hopefully I can 
>>> find out why the documents were not opening from my flash drive.
 Katie
>>> 
 On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi Katie,
 
 Isn't the VarioUltra the best?  Earlier tonight I was thinking about how 
 bulky things used to be.  My first braille display was a TSI Navigator.  
 The thing was huge.  I used to carry around what was basically a large 
 briefcase, just to carry around my PC laptop and my braille display, and 
 of course, all the accompanying cables and chargers..  When I compare that 
 with now carrying around my MBA and VU,, not to mention having the option 
 of pairing the VU with the iPhone, the difference between then and now is 
 really striking.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Katie Zodrow  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna and Scott. I thought I would chime in too.
> 
> Yes, you're right about Apple starting accessibility over 30 years ago, 
> even before we had voiceover and the mac. It sounds like my experience is 
> somewhat similar to yours, even though I was born a few years later and I 
> started using computers and technology at an earlier age. My dad was more 
> of a computer and tech guy too, but both my parents used the computer 
> often at home and at work.
> 
> I grew up during the 1980s and 90s. I have an older sister so I was the 
> youngest and the only blind person in my family. I was born in Ohio 3 
> months premature and have been blind since birth. My family moved to the 
> Chicago suburbs when I was 2, which is where I grew up. I lived in that 
> area for 18 years until I was 20. My family has always been very 
> encouraging and supportive. They wanted to give me the best education 
> 

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Devin Prater]

I talked to her years ago, before she joined Apple. Yeah, she’s pretty cool. I 
guess I’m the blindie here. I grew up a pampered kid in a lower-middle class 
home. I went and somehow graduated from the Alabama school for the blind, where 
teachers seemed to care but just couldn’t do much, or didn’t know what to do, 
exactly. As you can imagine, they then shuttled me off to the adult learning 
facility, E.H. Gentry, where I attend now. I know more than I did when I left 
ASB, sure, but these blindness organizations just aren’t all that organized, at 
least here in the state of football and rednecks. I just hope that I can get at 
least something to happen before my family decides a group home would indeed be 
just the spot to plop down their poor blind boy that just can’t seem to learn 
independence and advocacy skills no matter where the Alabama Institute sends 
him. Oh discordia.
Sent from my Mac.

Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com



> On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:38 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Katie,
> 
> Yep, I agree with everything you pointed out.  It really is a nice braille 
> display.  I haven't had the problem you describe, so I'm afraid I can't help 
> you.  Have you tried calling tech support or posting the VarioUltra list?  
> It's a great list, with some very helpful and knowledgeable folks.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:52 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Donna.
>> 
>> Yes, I’ve been learning to use the VarioUltra since May and love it! :-) its 
>> the best braille display for me so far. I think its great you can just 
>> connect a device like your phone via bluetooth and it works once the pairing 
>> is successfully connected. I can also text or email people with just my 
>> iphone and the braille display, so that’s awesome I don’t always need to 
>> constantly use dictation. Its really cool that you can just charge the 
>> device with a USB cable too instead of carrying around a 12 volt charger. 
>> The only problem I have sometimes is opening documents. Yesterday, I tried 
>> opening a couple files with the USB stick connected to the device. They were 
>> in .docx format, an every time I’d press the navistick to open the file, I 
>> would get a warning that said the file could not be opened. Really strange. 
>> The VU is the lightest and smallest display I’ve ever seen compared to my 
>> old Braille Lite 40 and the BrailleNote MPower. Those were the 2 previous 
>> notetakers I used with braille displays. I’ll be getting some more training 
>> again with the VU in a couple days, so hopefully I can find out why the 
>> documents were not opening from my flash drive.
>>> Katie
>> 
>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Katie,
>>> 
>>> Isn't the VarioUltra the best?  Earlier tonight I was thinking about how 
>>> bulky things used to be.  My first braille display was a TSI Navigator.  
>>> The thing was huge.  I used to carry around what was basically a large 
>>> briefcase, just to carry around my PC laptop and my braille display, and of 
>>> course, all the accompanying cables and chargers..  When I compare that 
>>> with now carrying around my MBA and VU,, not to mention having the option 
>>> of pairing the VU with the iPhone, the difference between then and now is 
>>> really striking.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna and Scott. I thought I would chime in too.
 
 Yes, you're right about Apple starting accessibility over 30 years ago, 
 even before we had voiceover and the mac. It sounds like my experience is 
 somewhat similar to yours, even though I was born a few years later and I 
 started using computers and technology at an earlier age. My dad was more 
 of a computer and tech guy too, but both my parents used the computer 
 often at home and at work.
 
 I grew up during the 1980s and 90s. I have an older sister so I was the 
 youngest and the only blind person in my family. I was born in Ohio 3 
 months premature and have been blind since birth. My family moved to the 
 Chicago suburbs when I was 2, which is where I grew up. I lived in that 
 area for 18 years until I was 20. My family has always been very 
 encouraging and supportive. They wanted to give me the best education 
 possible, so I was mainstreamed in public schools from age 3 to high 
 school. The elementary school I attended was a few miles away in another 
 city from where we lived, but they had a great Special Ed program with a 
 resource room for all the kids with blindness and other disabilities. I 
 would go there if I wasn’t with the regular classroom teacher during part 
 of the day like for Reading or Math. The vision teacher in my resource 
 room and the rest of the staff at the school were all great! Besides my 
 parents helping me learn and 

Re: Use of "Move To" in Email

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi chuck,

Thanks for this hint.  I think that I heard about this a long while back, but 
it must have went in one ear and out the other.  Good efficiency if the desired 
location is in your Favourites.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:17, CHUCK REICHEL  
wrote:

Hi Tim,
If the mail box is in your "favorites"
I use "control command 1-9" on the num pad to move the selected message to my 
different boxes.
control command then  hit the number on the num pad to move it.
The rub with this method is you half to know which # your desired mail box 
corresponds to.
I find my self checking where I want to move it to by hitting "command and a 
num pad #" to hear VO announce the mail box that corresponds to that "favorite" 
mail box i want.
Then I go back to my in box "command 1" and move it.
I guess the key here is that you half to  have that mail box in the favorites 
to make this short cut work. :)
PS I always enjoy your posts Tim.
very cool step by step instructions.
talk soon
Chuck
YMMV

On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi Joseph,
> 
> NO problem adding to any message of mine.  A question though, not sure where 
> the VO-shift-a.m. comes from.  I'm not sure what the "a" is used for in your 
> suggestion.  The Contextual menu command is VO-shift-m, followed by letters 
> or arrows suggested in your message.  Please correct me or clarify if 
> necessary.  Thanks.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 09:26, Joseph Hudson  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, I would like to add to your message if you wouldn't mind. Control option 
> shift a.m. Opens up the menu where this moved to submenu is. Once you find 
> the submenu, you will be able to Arrow right, to activate that menu. Then 
> Erin down to the desired mailbox that you wish to move to didn't when you're 
> done, hit the enter are the key. Keep in mind, you want to have focused on 
> the message that you're wanting to move before doing the command that I have 
> provided above for you.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com 
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
> 
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The "Move To" item should have a sub-menu.  That is, whether you use your 
>> keyboard shortcut or the contextual menu, when you're focused on the "Move 
>> To" item, press your right arrow to open the sub-menu then either use down 
>> arrows or type the first few characters of the Mailbox name.  Once focus is 
>> on the Mailbox you wish it to be moved to, just press return.  Note that, 
>> depending on whether these are sub-mailboxes, and if you have the parent 
>> mailbox open within the Mailboxes table, you may or may not need to open 
>> additional sub-menus to finally locate the desired location.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 09:14, Sandra E. Finley > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am trying to move a message from one mailbox to another. I can find "Move 
>> To" in the menu and have created a keyboard shortcut for it. Once that is 
>> found, how do I actually move the message? I guess the better question is 
>> how do I get to the desired mailbox and have the message follow me there? 
>> Sandy
>> 
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Re: Use of "Move To" in Email

[Joseph Hudson]

Hi Chuck, in water for something like this to work she would have to have that 
mailbox in her favorites which in this case I took it that she was wanting to 
move Messages from one account to another 
Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7...@gmail.com 
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 

Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com 
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:17 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> If the mail box is in your "favorites"
> I use "control command 1-9" on the num pad to move the selected message to my 
> different boxes.
> control command then  hit the number on the num pad to move it.
> The rub with this method is you half to know which # your desired mail box 
> corresponds to.
> I find my self checking where I want to move it to by hitting "command and a 
> num pad #" to hear VO announce the mail box that corresponds to that 
> "favorite" mail box i want.
> Then I go back to my in box "command 1" and move it.
> I guess the key here is that you half to  have that mail box in the favorites 
> to make this short cut work. :)
> PS I always enjoy your posts Tim.
> very cool step by step instructions.
> talk soon
> Chuck
> YMMV
> 
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Joseph,
>> 
>> NO problem adding to any message of mine.  A question though, not sure where 
>> the VO-shift-a.m. comes from.  I'm not sure what the "a" is used for in your 
>> suggestion.  The Contextual menu command is VO-shift-m, followed by letters 
>> or arrows suggested in your message.  Please correct me or clarify if 
>> necessary.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 09:26, Joseph Hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I would like to add to your message if you wouldn't mind. Control option 
>> shift a.m. Opens up the menu where this moved to submenu is. Once you find 
>> the submenu, you will be able to Arrow right, to activate that menu. Then 
>> Erin down to the desired mailbox that you wish to move to didn't when you're 
>> done, hit the enter are the key. Keep in mind, you want to have focused on 
>> the message that you're wanting to move before doing the command that I have 
>> provided above for you.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
>> 
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The "Move To" item should have a sub-menu.  That is, whether you use your 
>>> keyboard shortcut or the contextual menu, when you're focused on the "Move 
>>> To" item, press your right arrow to open the sub-menu then either use down 
>>> arrows or type the first few characters of the Mailbox name.  Once focus is 
>>> on the Mailbox you wish it to be moved to, just press return.  Note that, 
>>> depending on whether these are sub-mailboxes, and if you have the parent 
>>> mailbox open within the Mailboxes table, you may or may not need to open 
>>> additional sub-menus to finally locate the desired location.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 09:14, Sandra E. Finley >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am trying to move a message from one mailbox to another. I can find "Move 
>>> To" in the menu and have created a keyboard shortcut for it. Once that is 
>>> found, how do I actually move the message? I guess the better question is 
>>> how do I get to the desired mailbox and have the message follow me there? 
>>> Sandy
>>> 
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>>> Visionaries list.
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>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
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>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Use of "Move To" in Email

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Tim,
If the mail box is in your "favorites"
I use "control command 1-9" on the num pad to move the selected message to my 
different boxes.
control command then  hit the number on the num pad to move it.
The rub with this method is you half to know which # your desired mail box 
corresponds to.
I find my self checking where I want to move it to by hitting "command and a 
num pad #" to hear VO announce the mail box that corresponds to that "favorite" 
mail box i want.
Then I go back to my in box "command 1" and move it.
I guess the key here is that you half to  have that mail box in the favorites 
to make this short cut work. :)
PS I always enjoy your posts Tim.
very cool step by step instructions.
talk soon
Chuck
YMMV

On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi Joseph,
> 
> NO problem adding to any message of mine.  A question though, not sure where 
> the VO-shift-a.m. comes from.  I'm not sure what the "a" is used for in your 
> suggestion.  The Contextual menu command is VO-shift-m, followed by letters 
> or arrows suggested in your message.  Please correct me or clarify if 
> necessary.  Thanks.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 09:26, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I would like to add to your message if you wouldn't mind. Control option 
> shift a.m. Opens up the menu where this moved to submenu is. Once you find 
> the submenu, you will be able to Arrow right, to activate that menu. Then 
> Erin down to the desired mailbox that you wish to move to didn't when you're 
> done, hit the enter are the key. Keep in mind, you want to have focused on 
> the message that you're wanting to move before doing the command that I have 
> provided above for you.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The "Move To" item should have a sub-menu.  That is, whether you use your 
>> keyboard shortcut or the contextual menu, when you're focused on the "Move 
>> To" item, press your right arrow to open the sub-menu then either use down 
>> arrows or type the first few characters of the Mailbox name.  Once focus is 
>> on the Mailbox you wish it to be moved to, just press return.  Note that, 
>> depending on whether these are sub-mailboxes, and if you have the parent 
>> mailbox open within the Mailboxes table, you may or may not need to open 
>> additional sub-menus to finally locate the desired location.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 09:14, Sandra E. Finley  wrote:
>> 
>> I am trying to move a message from one mailbox to another. I can find "Move 
>> To" in the menu and have created a keyboard shortcut for it. Once that is 
>> found, how do I actually move the message? I guess the better question is 
>> how do I get to the desired mailbox and have the message follow me there? 
>> Sandy
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Re: Use of "Move To" in Email

[Joseph Hudson]

Hi Tim, I'm sorry about that. I meant command option shift m.
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> On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joseph,
> 
> NO problem adding to any message of mine.  A question though, not sure where 
> the VO-shift-a.m. comes from.  I'm not sure what the "a" is used for in your 
> suggestion.  The Contextual menu command is VO-shift-m, followed by letters 
> or arrows suggested in your message.  Please correct me or clarify if 
> necessary.  Thanks.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 09:26, Joseph Hudson  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, I would like to add to your message if you wouldn't mind. Control option 
> shift a.m. Opens up the menu where this moved to submenu is. Once you find 
> the submenu, you will be able to Arrow right, to activate that menu. Then 
> Erin down to the desired mailbox that you wish to move to didn't when you're 
> done, hit the enter are the key. Keep in mind, you want to have focused on 
> the message that you're wanting to move before doing the command that I have 
> provided above for you.
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>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The "Move To" item should have a sub-menu.  That is, whether you use your 
>> keyboard shortcut or the contextual menu, when you're focused on the "Move 
>> To" item, press your right arrow to open the sub-menu then either use down 
>> arrows or type the first few characters of the Mailbox name.  Once focus is 
>> on the Mailbox you wish it to be moved to, just press return.  Note that, 
>> depending on whether these are sub-mailboxes, and if you have the parent 
>> mailbox open within the Mailboxes table, you may or may not need to open 
>> additional sub-menus to finally locate the desired location.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 09:14, Sandra E. Finley > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am trying to move a message from one mailbox to another. I can find "Move 
>> To" in the menu and have created a keyboard shortcut for it. Once that is 
>> found, how do I actually move the message? I guess the better question is 
>> how do I get to the desired mailbox and have the message follow me there? 
>> Sandy
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Re: Use of "Move To" in Email

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Joseph,

NO problem adding to any message of mine.  A question though, not sure where 
the VO-shift-a.m. comes from.  I'm not sure what the "a" is used for in your 
suggestion.  The Contextual menu command is VO-shift-m, followed by letters or 
arrows suggested in your message.  Please correct me or clarify if necessary.  
Thanks.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 13, 2016, at 09:26, Joseph Hudson  wrote:

Hi, I would like to add to your message if you wouldn't mind. Control option 
shift a.m. Opens up the menu where this moved to submenu is. Once you find the 
submenu, you will be able to Arrow right, to activate that menu. Then Erin down 
to the desired mailbox that you wish to move to didn't when you're done, hit 
the enter are the key. Keep in mind, you want to have focused on the message 
that you're wanting to move before doing the command that I have provided above 
for you.
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> On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The "Move To" item should have a sub-menu.  That is, whether you use your 
> keyboard shortcut or the contextual menu, when you're focused on the "Move 
> To" item, press your right arrow to open the sub-menu then either use down 
> arrows or type the first few characters of the Mailbox name.  Once focus is 
> on the Mailbox you wish it to be moved to, just press return.  Note that, 
> depending on whether these are sub-mailboxes, and if you have the parent 
> mailbox open within the Mailboxes table, you may or may not need to open 
> additional sub-menus to finally locate the desired location.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 09:14, Sandra E. Finley  > wrote:
> 
> I am trying to move a message from one mailbox to another. I can find "Move 
> To" in the menu and have created a keyboard shortcut for it. Once that is 
> found, how do I actually move the message? I guess the better question is how 
> do I get to the desired mailbox and have the message follow me there? 
> Sandy
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Re: Use of "Move To" in Email

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

The "Move To" item should have a sub-menu.  That is, whether you use your 
keyboard shortcut or the contextual menu, when you're focused on the "Move To" 
item, press your right arrow to open the sub-menu then either use down arrows 
or type the first few characters of the Mailbox name.  Once focus is on the 
Mailbox you wish it to be moved to, just press return.  Note that, depending on 
whether these are sub-mailboxes, and if you have the parent mailbox open within 
the Mailboxes table, you may or may not need to open additional sub-menus to 
finally locate the desired location.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 13, 2016, at 09:14, Sandra E. Finley  wrote:

I am trying to move a message from one mailbox to another. I can find "Move To" 
in the menu and have created a keyboard shortcut for it. Once that is found, 
how do I actually move the message? I guess the better question is how do I get 
to the desired mailbox and have the message follow me there? 
Sandy

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Re: Use of "Move To" in Email

[Joseph Hudson]

Hi, I would like to add to your message if you wouldn't mind. Control option 
shift a.m. Opens up the menu where this moved to submenu is. Once you find the 
submenu, you will be able to Arrow right, to activate that menu. Then Erin down 
to the desired mailbox that you wish to move to didn't when you're done, hit 
the enter are the key. Keep in mind, you want to have focused on the message 
that you're wanting to move before doing the command that I have provided above 
for you.
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> On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The "Move To" item should have a sub-menu.  That is, whether you use your 
> keyboard shortcut or the contextual menu, when you're focused on the "Move 
> To" item, press your right arrow to open the sub-menu then either use down 
> arrows or type the first few characters of the Mailbox name.  Once focus is 
> on the Mailbox you wish it to be moved to, just press return.  Note that, 
> depending on whether these are sub-mailboxes, and if you have the parent 
> mailbox open within the Mailboxes table, you may or may not need to open 
> additional sub-menus to finally locate the desired location.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 09:14, Sandra E. Finley  wrote:
> 
> I am trying to move a message from one mailbox to another. I can find "Move 
> To" in the menu and have created a keyboard shortcut for it. Once that is 
> found, how do I actually move the message? I guess the better question is how 
> do I get to the desired mailbox and have the message follow me there? 
> Sandy
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Use of "Move To" in Email

[Sandra E. Finley]

I am trying to move a message from one mailbox to another. I can find "Move To" 
in the menu and have created a keyboard shortcut for it. Once that is found, 
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Re: Looking for Slack feedback from voiceover users on OSX and IOS

[michael babcock]

So hears how I’m using the desktop app:
#1, try not to tap “Option” (that jumps focus back to edit box). I know kinda 
hard when using voiceover…
#2, use find for the text “esc” and that will take you to the end of the 
conversation (channel) your in.
#3, use command+option+left or right to jump between conversations you’ve 
opened since that instance of the app has been running.
Let me know if I can help any more :( and I hope they make it more accessible. 
Love the concept of it, and am actively using it with a VA out of India, so 
would love to have it working.
VOIP quality IMO is fairly good.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Michael,
>  
> I’ll go check this out , it might be worthwhile.
>  
> If only the desktop apps were more accessible, I’ll probanly have to use my 
> iPhone.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of michael babcock
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 5:05 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Looking for Slack feedback from voiceover users on OSX and IOS
>  
> Simon:
> Thanks for your message.
> Slack has created a #a11y organization, and they seem to be making things 
> better. I’ll post one of the messages I got from the team a few hours ago:
> "Hi Michael,
> Thanks for coming back to me. Yes, there is an existing team that the 
> accessibility community has created. This is a broad, public team on Slack 
> with the goal of collaborating on accessibility solutions, technologies, etc. 
> The current membership is already substantial and includes some of our 
> engineers and folks from our accessibility team. Please feel free to share 
> this with anyone who is interested.
> 
> Here's the link to request an invite: http://web-a11y.herokuapp.com 
> .
> 
> “
> And this was a follow-up to this message:
> "Bel (Slack)
> Jul 9, 9:32 PM PDT 
> 
> Hey there Michael,
> 
> Thanks for getting in touch! We would love to hear all your suggestions on 
> how we might improve the user experience for blind users.
> 
> Accessibility is something we are working very hard to improve and our 
> dedicated accessibility team are currently working on more features for our 
> vision-impaired users. Please do let us know what your initial thoughts are 
> on your experience and I will get our team involved from this side too.
> 
> Thanks for taking the time to offer your help and feedback on this Michael, 
> your insights are really valuable to our development.
> 
> Warmly,
> 
> -Bel"
> 
> Hit up @slackhq
> And type 
> /feedback your feedback here
> In any of the edit boxes on slack
> Note: in desktop app on Mac, hitting the option key seems to jump focus back 
> to the edit box, kinda makes things hard when using voiceover :)
>  
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Michael,
>  
> Thanks for this, I will definitely be looking into this.
>  
> We’ve just started using slack at work for our messaging system as it’s not 
> hosted locally therefore if systems go down we can still communicate with our 
> teams nationwide.
>  
> I have only been able to get it to work somewhat accessible on my iPhone but 
> mac osx and windows desktop clients are pretty much crap accessibility 
> So thanks this will be helpful.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Michael Babcock
> Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 2:08 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Looking for Slack feedback from voiceover users on OSX and IOS
>  
> Hey all!
> I’m posting this message because I’ve recently began using the platform 
> called Slack for my team communication needs.
> It’s not the most accessible, e.g. Focus jumps around the place at times, and 
> things could be designed better. That being said however, the platform can be 
> used and it wouldn’t take much to make it more accessible.
> A few things from you,
> I contacted slack and they gave me positive feedback and state they have a 
> team working on accessibility for future releases of the platform.
> Both on twitter and via email, they seem to be positive about wanting to 
> improve accessibility.
> So if you click the link below, I’ll send you the email, shhh, I’m waiting 
> for permission to just post its publicly…  But more importantly, you can then 
> ask for access to the channel.
> https://app.convertkit.com/landing_pages/74668 
> 
> I’m sure someone will post the email, so if you just want access to the 
> channel shoot me a message at:
> mich...@yourownpay.com 

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Katie,

Yep, I agree with everything you pointed out.  It really is a nice braille 
display.  I haven't had the problem you describe, so I'm afraid I can't help 
you.  Have you tried calling tech support or posting the VarioUltra list?  It's 
a great list, with some very helpful and knowledgeable folks.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:52 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Donna.
> 
> Yes, I’ve been learning to use the VarioUltra since May and love it! :-) its 
> the best braille display for me so far. I think its great you can just 
> connect a device like your phone via bluetooth and it works once the pairing 
> is successfully connected. I can also text or email people with just my 
> iphone and the braille display, so that’s awesome I don’t always need to 
> constantly use dictation. Its really cool that you can just charge the device 
> with a USB cable too instead of carrying around a 12 volt charger. The only 
> problem I have sometimes is opening documents. Yesterday, I tried opening a 
> couple files with the USB stick connected to the device. They were in .docx 
> format, an every time I’d press the navistick to open the file, I would get a 
> warning that said the file could not be opened. Really strange. The VU is the 
> lightest and smallest display I’ve ever seen compared to my old Braille Lite 
> 40 and the BrailleNote MPower. Those were the 2 previous notetakers I used 
> with braille displays. I’ll be getting some more training again with the VU 
> in a couple days, so hopefully I can find out why the documents were not 
> opening from my flash drive.
>> Katie
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Katie,
>> 
>> Isn't the VarioUltra the best?  Earlier tonight I was thinking about how 
>> bulky things used to be.  My first braille display was a TSI Navigator.  The 
>> thing was huge.  I used to carry around what was basically a large 
>> briefcase, just to carry around my PC laptop and my braille display, and of 
>> course, all the accompanying cables and chargers..  When I compare that with 
>> now carrying around my MBA and VU,, not to mention having the option of 
>> pairing the VU with the iPhone, the difference between then and now is 
>> really striking.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna and Scott. I thought I would chime in too.
>>> 
>>> Yes, you're right about Apple starting accessibility over 30 years ago, 
>>> even before we had voiceover and the mac. It sounds like my experience is 
>>> somewhat similar to yours, even though I was born a few years later and I 
>>> started using computers and technology at an earlier age. My dad was more 
>>> of a computer and tech guy too, but both my parents used the computer often 
>>> at home and at work.
>>> 
>>> I grew up during the 1980s and 90s. I have an older sister so I was the 
>>> youngest and the only blind person in my family. I was born in Ohio 3 
>>> months premature and have been blind since birth. My family moved to the 
>>> Chicago suburbs when I was 2, which is where I grew up. I lived in that 
>>> area for 18 years until I was 20. My family has always been very 
>>> encouraging and supportive. They wanted to give me the best education 
>>> possible, so I was mainstreamed in public schools from age 3 to high 
>>> school. The elementary school I attended was a few miles away in another 
>>> city from where we lived, but they had a great Special Ed program with a 
>>> resource room for all the kids with blindness and other disabilities. I 
>>> would go there if I wasn’t with the regular classroom teacher during part 
>>> of the day like for Reading or Math. The vision teacher in my resource room 
>>> and the rest of the staff at the school were all great! Besides my parents 
>>> helping me learn and encouraging me to be independent, The school provided 
>>> all the extra services I needed back then like reading Braille, O and M 
>>> skills, and basic daily living skills. I still use braille often, and that 
>>> skill along with the others are very important for employment and being 
>>> independent. In middle and high school, I worked with an itinerant teacher 
>>> for an hour and was in regular classes with the sighted students the rest 
>>> of the day.
>>> 
>>> one of the first computers I used in elementary school was the Apple II E 
>>> with that robotic sounding Echo speech synthesizer. The Alex voice and 
>>> synthesized speech have come a long way since then!! :-) I remember when I 
>>> was about four and five years old and pressing different keys on the Apple 
>>> 2 keyboard. I thought it was really cool how the Echo synthesizer would 
>>> pronounce everything, and that you could change the speech rate and pitch 
>>> of the voice. It would always sound really funny  talking in a really high 
>>> or low pitch!
>>> 
>>> When I was in first grade, my parents bought an Apple 

A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to regarding iOS.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK guys,

First of all, no doubt, I get that this isn't gonna be the experience I'd have 
on the mac OSX side of things with ProTools, or Logic, but I really would like 
some serious thought on this.  I've got an IPad, and really would like to know 
to what extent the accessibility is with the iOS version of Garageband.  When I 
tried it last, I couldn't make any sense of its UI at all.

I've had a few people from this list, don't remember who, who told me flat out 
that Garageband did work with Voiceover on iOS.  They said I can bring the on 
screen keyboard up, then can do little things like playing Mary had a Little 
lamb, or hot cross buns.  OK, that's all fine and kiddy kiddy, here, kiddy 
kiddy, nice, kiddy, but I wanna get some real brutally honest answers here from 
people who may be a little above the level of Twinkle.  OK, inevitably, it's an 
on screen keyboard, so I'm not gonna really be able to do Moonlight Sonata, or 
Hendel Messiah's Hallelujah chorus, LOL! Not that I'd do those anyway, but 
point is, I know I'd be somewhat limited, but really how much power do we have 
with Voiceover either on or off?  Keep in mind, though I have some vision, if I 
turned off Voiceover, I really don't have enough usable sight to do anything 
all that productive, not even with Zoom.

Ultimately, what I'd like to do is to look at getting an audio interface that 
would let me connect my IPad via its lightning port, then record directly into 
it with a professional grade microphone which would connect to the interface 
via male to female XLR mike cable, then maybe also patch in my keyboard with 
standard stareo quarter inch gold tip plugs.  Basically I want an interface 
like I already have only one that has IPad or IPhone docking ability so I could 
let the IPad basically be the recording DAW hardware.

Ideally, I'd already have stem tracks of all the instruments.  I'd simply just 
want to be able to import those wave or mp3 stems into my GB project, again, on 
iOS, not on OSX, on to seperet stereo audio tracks, then create a mono audio 
track for my vocals, track them, and maybe some backings, then add maybe a 
little delay, or maybe a little reverb to the vocals, maybe lay down a backing 
part, then bounce to M4A, or mp3, and somehow then get it back over to my mac 
for further distribution.

I know in the sighted world, all of this is super super super doable.  I just 
don't know how much I could actually do with Voiceover.  Again, I'm perfectly 
happy/comfortable with doing all this from my mac.  I'm just trying to figure 
out specifically on iOS.

Am I wishing way too much for GB at this point from an accessibility 
standpoint?  I probably am, but I can't help asking.  Again, basic little 
things, banging out If you're birdy and you know it chirp along, is one thing, 
but can I really! actually use this for production work?  I don't need to edit 
things right now.  I just need to record.  If I goof up, then just undo, and do 
another take.  I'm not concerned with routing through AUX tracks, or sends, I'm 
not interested in comping, I don't need to write automation, none of that.  I 
just need to bang out a basic recording of my  vocals on top of a few stem 
tracks, then bounce it out.

Any thoughts?  I know, again, you get the point, but I cannot stress enough, 
I'm asking about GB on iOS, not! on OSX with the mac.  Make that entirely clear.

Chris.

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RE: Looking for Slack feedback from voiceover users on OSX and IOS

[Simon Fogarty]

Thanks Michael,

I’ll go check this out , it might be worthwhile.

If only the desktop apps were more accessible, I’ll probanly have to use my 
iPhone.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of michael babcock
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 5:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for Slack feedback from voiceover users on OSX and IOS

Simon:
Thanks for your message.
Slack has created a #a11y organization, and they seem to be making things 
better. I’ll post one of the messages I got from the team a few hours ago:
"Hi Michael,
Thanks for coming back to me. Yes, there is an existing team that the 
accessibility community has created. This is a broad, public team on Slack with 
the goal of collaborating on accessibility solutions, technologies, etc. The 
current membership is already substantial and includes some of our engineers 
and folks from our accessibility team. Please feel free to share this with 
anyone who is interested.
Here's the link to request an invite: http://web-a11y.herokuapp.com.
“
And this was a follow-up to this message:
"Bel (Slack)
Jul 9, 9:32 PM PDT
Hey there Michael,
Thanks for getting in touch! We would love to hear all your suggestions on how 
we might improve the user experience for blind users.
Accessibility is something we are working very hard to improve and our 
dedicated accessibility team are currently working on more features for our 
vision-impaired users. Please do let us know what your initial thoughts are on 
your experience and I will get our team involved from this side too.
Thanks for taking the time to offer your help and feedback on this Michael, 
your insights are really valuable to our development.
Warmly,
-Bel"
Hit up @slackhq
And type
/feedback your feedback here
In any of the edit boxes on slack
Note: in desktop app on Mac, hitting the option key seems to jump focus back to 
the edit box, kinda makes things hard when using voiceover :)

On Jul 11, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi Michael,

Thanks for this, I will definitely be looking into this.

We’ve just started using slack at work for our messaging system as it’s not 
hosted locally therefore if systems go down we can still communicate with our 
teams nationwide.

I have only been able to get it to work somewhat accessible on my iPhone but 
mac osx and windows desktop clients are pretty much crap accessibility
So thanks this will be helpful.

From: 
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 On Behalf Of Michael Babcock
Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 2:08 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Looking for Slack feedback from voiceover users on OSX and IOS

Hey all!
I’m posting this message because I’ve recently began using the platform called 
Slack for my team communication needs.
It’s not the most accessible, e.g. Focus jumps around the place at times, and 
things could be designed better. That being said however, the platform can be 
used and it wouldn’t take much to make it more accessible.
A few things from you,
I contacted slack and they gave me positive feedback and state they have a team 
working on accessibility for future releases of the platform.
Both on twitter and via email, they seem to be positive about wanting to 
improve accessibility.
So if you click the link below, I’ll send you the email, shhh, I’m waiting for 
permission to just post its publicly…  But more importantly, you can then ask 
for access to the channel.
https://app.convertkit.com/landing_pages/74668
I’m sure someone will post the email, so if you just want access to the channel 
shoot me a message at:
mich...@yourownpay.com
And I’ll get you in. It’s my hopes we all can share knowledge with the slack 
team from different points of views.
NOTE, you will only get info about slack.
They have versions for the following platforms:
Windows, Mac, Linux (Beta), IOS, android, and windows phones. You can also 
interact with the service using a web browser.
https://slack.com/downloads
It’s free for most users.

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RE: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Simon Fogarty]

That’s a bit of yes and no.

Yes it is useable if you are using OSX Yosemite or elcapitan with the vb 
version 5 upwards,
But before that voiceover will crash when you move to the VM application.

I have to use this on a daily basis for work and I find if I need to flick 
backwards and forward I have to keep turning vo on because it’s crashed due to 
us using VB 4.3.x  which allows me to use a Jaws USB authorisation key

Vb version 5 wouldn’t pick up on the USB device for some reason,

This may be fixed now but I haven’t tried to findout

Hope this helps.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of maurice.mines
Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2016 10:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

I have a question his virtual box usable with voiceover in any way, shape, or 
form? From the very little bit of research that I’ve done on this issue 
previously it was thought that virtual box is completely unusable with 
voiceover, this is still the conventional wisdom? Thank you in advance for your 
time, and eventual response to my question.

Sincerely Maurice mines.
FH phone, 360-524-9331.
 Amateur radio call sign, kd0iko.
note the text of my comments have been dictated to the computer by using Dragon 
version 5 for Mac OS, if there’s something in the text of my comments that you 
did not fully understand, this is due largely to either the software or the 
dictation process. If you truly don’t understand, and wish for me to clarify 
what I have written, please just let me know? I will do my very best to clear 
up any misunderstandings.
 Jul 12, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:

Scott,

I guess we should take this off the MV list, but perhaps the person that did my 
installations did not include the voice packages?  I know very little of Linux, 
having BSD UNIX and Solaris (Unix System V based as my primary Unix variants. I 
know a significant number of the tools in Linux are based on GNU tools found in 
MacOS and a bit more like BSD UnIX than System

I certainly want to get back to using Emacs which was my primary editor in my 
sighted days.

Thanks,
Jonathan
) )

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:00 PM Scott Granados 
> wrote:
Did you hold down the shift key?

Also, how long did you wait after the drums?

Would be happy to give it a host.  I’ve successfully done this with the stock 
Ubuntu install.

On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:

I tried your instructions, I hear the drumbeat. But then I do not get any 
speech. Do you have any ideas?
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:43 AM Scott Granados 
> wrote:
All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat deal and 
then speech starts.

Should be relatively straight forward.


On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater 
> wrote:

Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of trying the 
mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t accessible mostly.
Sent from my Mac.

Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com



On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:

How did you try to install it under VMWare?

One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You can 
install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal image 
creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give it a few 
minutes to build a VM.

That might be something to try.

On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater 
> wrote:

Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to work 
with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be useful to me 
as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there aren’t any 
blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I now turn to 
Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using Sonar with it just 
fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got Virtual Box in order to 
play with an Android talking virtual machine, which stopped talking after 
updating talkback, and found that besides freezes, probably from it being 
Android, ported to x86 architecture, it ran pretty quickly and responsively, 
unlike VmWare unless you tweet settings in VMX files. So, are there any tips 
for more easily using Virtual Box, like adding iOS files to virtual machines 
and running them, when I tried it didn’t work, or anyone that has a Sonar 
Virtual machine that works in Virtual box, or VmWare somehow?
Sent from my Mac.

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RE: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Simon Fogarty]

You guys make it sound scarey.

I lost my sight at 22 and used computers for games prior to that.

After  losing my sight I had to find something to do and ended up studying IT 
for my degree in IT, and I’m 4 papers short of a degree in physical education

I work for a state owned university  which has an equal opotunity employment 
policy unless you have a disability in which case good luck but the work only 
gets harder.

Management who have qualifications in ignorance and only care about how things 
look to their pairs and not how things will effect the customers / students.

I’m 1 of 3 staff out of 4600, that have a sight issue, 2 totals and 1 partial.

When it comes to making things bloody difficult, it’s hard to go passed an 
organisation that specialises in making technology inaccessible and old before 
it’s purchased or released to production.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2016 1:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

Hi Anne,

That's really interesting.  I didn't do as well as you with the Optacon.  I was 
a very fast braille reader, and at age 11, lacked the patience for the slow 
speed of reading with the Optacon.  But I can see where it would have been 
different having a specific purpose in mind.  I was using it to read fiction, 
which I could do much more efficiently with braille.  Probably had I had a need 
to do something specific with it--and frankly, had I also been a little 
older--I would have been more driven to stick with it.

It's funny, I still have my Optacon.  It's just sitting in our basement 
gathering dust.  I probably should do something with it some day.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jul 12, 2016, at 1:19 AM, Anne Robertson 
> wrote:

I grew up in England and between the ages of 7 and 17, attended schools for the 
blind where maths was taught, but the only science was biology, which didn’t 
interest me at the time. I would have preferred to learn physics.
I finished my secondary education in a mainstream school and specialised in 
languages. I studied French at university, but then I went into computer 
programming.
The tool that allowed me to work on an equal footing with my sighted colleagues 
was the optacon. I was able to read the terminal screen and printout. I 
programmed the Apple ii in hexadecimal and read all the manuals using the 
optacon.
I didn’t use speech on a computer until we got a Mac, a 2SI, during the 90s and 
I purchased OutSpoken.
It never occurred to me that I might not be able to get a job as a blind person 
once the optacon became available to me.

Cheers,

Anne



On 12 Jul 2016, at 05:15, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:

Hey Scott,

First let me say that on a very fundamental level I agree with your post.  But 
...

As a kid, I somehow sort of absorbed the fact that because I was blind, math 
and the sciences weren't for me.  And this despite the fact that my dad was a 
computer guy, who spent lots of time and energy conveying to me how important 
tech would be for me..  Some of my earliest memories are of him bringing home 
those old computer punch cards and magnetic tapes for my brother and me to play 
with.  I remember going with him into the office on Saturdays and seeing the 
computer, which was this great big behemoth that took up an entire room.  I 
remember him teaching me base 2 at the dinner table.  But once I got to school, 
my math and science teachers had no idea what to do with me.  Classes were 
taught almost exclusively on the blackboard, and I was bored out of my mind.  I 
grew up thinking I sucked at math, and it wasn't until I was in my thirties 
that I realized that I was actually pretty bloody good at it.  Back in the 80s, 
I went out with this total computer geek.  I was fascinated by all the stuff he 
was into, but neither he nor I knew how to make all that accessible to me.  
(And by that time, I actually owned a TSI Versabraille).  I think that had I 
been born within the last 25 years, I actually would have chosen IT--or 
something related--as a career.  Clearly something was different for you and 
John.  Maybe it was innate intelligence, maybe there was a gender bias at play, 
maybe it was opportunity, I don't know.  I do know from other posts I've seen 
from you that your parents seemed quite willing to think out of the box.  I 
grew up in suburbia.  My mom was 20 when she had me, my dad was 22.  Having a 
blind kid pretty much rocked their young, limited world.  I don't think my 
experience is unique.  Whatever it was that jived for you guys, didn't carry 
over to lots of blind folks.

So yes, it was a fluff piece.  And yes, I wish they'd just treat blind folks 
like everyone else.  But I also hope that there's a little Donna out there 
somewhere--or maybe little 

RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

HI Scott,

 I've seen one being used but haven't had a play with one myself.

 The new mac pros that is.

 They resemble a small trash bin,
 Almost like a small R2D2  droid.

 But nothing showing on the front but you turn them around and they've got a 
panel approx. 5inchs square that has all the connections on it.

 The model I got to see was the vbasic version with only 16 gig ram, but we 
priced one for a joke that was fully speced to the max that came to just under 
30 thousand NZ dollars.

 Very fast machine if you have a SSD with the os on it and good amount of ram.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  I’ve 
been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station might be 
a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If you’re using 
the later, any impressions?



> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, I 
> installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and a 1 
> TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite well 
> with El Capitan now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most people 
> could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but getting 
> things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. Then again, 
> it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three year mark 
> before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 MacBook 
> Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac G4 in the 
> basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no longer planned 
> obsolescence through hardware failure but by software that requires more and 
> more. Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the call on whether I 
> can live with a particular piece of hardware running software frozen in time. 
> At least with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 even if it's a bit pokey.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you 
>> buy it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an 
>> access panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered 
>> to the board.
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested 
>>> in doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for 
>>> RAM upgrades.
 On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
 
 Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to 
 yourself, you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, 
 mine can be upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is 
 decent.
 
 Portia.
 
 On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
> Hey Arnold,
> 
> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
> 
> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but 
>> only 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty 
>> for me.  They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any 
>> opinions.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
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RE: Mnumonics

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chris,

Possibly someone has said this already but may be an archive or webpage with 
the files your creating linked

That way you could provide a url / link to the list and people could grab it

Hust a thought,

And by the way great work.

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On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mnumonics

Don't worry guys, no need to keep saying please send to me.  With the utmost 
respect, That's only gonna clutter the list with unnecessary messages.  I 
promise I will send publicly to all of you on the list if I come up with more 
of these.  You have my word, cross my heart, and you know me.  I don't take 
promises lightly of any sort!

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RE: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Simon Fogarty]

Great Chick,

And an awesome story.



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On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 11:49 AM
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Subject: Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

Wow!  This is incredible!  Thanks for sharing.
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From: Jonathan C. Cohn
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Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 2:29 PM
Subject: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

Well, this is interesting story. I don't believe they mention anything about 
braille. But at least it shows there are people  at Apple  working on 
accessibility.
http://mashable.com/2016/07/10/apple-innovation-blind-engineer/#RihiKu145Oqr
This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

Apple engineer Jordyn Castor has never been one for limitations.

She was born 15 weeks early, weighing just under two pounds. Her grandfather 
could hold her in the palm of his hand, and could even slide his wedding ring 
along her arm and over her shoulder. Doctors said she had a slim chance of 
survival.

It was Castor's first brush with limited expectations — and also the first time 
she shattered them.

Castor, now 22, has been blind since birth, a result of her early delivery. But 
throughout childhood, her parents encouraged her to defy expectations of people 
with disabilities, motivating her to be adventurous, hands-on and insatiably 
curious.

It was that spirit that led to her interact with technology, whether it was the 
desktop computer her family bought when she was in second grade, or the 
classroom computer teachers encouraged her to use in school.
"I could help make technology more accessible for blind users."

She says the adults in her life would often hand her a gadget, telling her to 
figure it out and show them how to use it. And she would.

"I realized then I could code on the computer to have it fulfill the tasks I 
wanted it to," says Castor, whose current work focuses on enhancing features 
like VoiceOver for blind Apple users. "I came to realize that with my knowledge 
of computers and technology, I could help change the world for people with 
disabilities.

"I could help make technology more accessible for blind users."

Bringing a personal perspective to Apple innovation

There's an often overlooked component of "diversity" in workplace initiatives — 
the need to include the perspectives of people with disabilities.

Keeping tabs on the needs of the blind and low-vision community is a key 
component of Apple's innovation in accessibility. Castor is proof of how much 
that can strengthen a company.

She was a college student at Michigan State University when she was first 
introduced to Apple at a Minneapolis job fair in 2015. Castor went to the 
gathering of employers, already knowing the tech giant would be there — and she 
was nervous.

"You aren't going to know unless you try," she thought. "You aren't going to 
know unless you talk to them ... so go."
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Apple engineer Jordyn Castor poses for a headshot. Castor is a driving force 
behind accessibility of Apple products, especially for blind users.

Image: Provided by Apple and Jordyn Castor

Castor told Apple reps how amazed she was by the iPad she received as a gift 
for her 17th birthday just a few years earlier. It raised her passion for tech 
to another level — mainly due to the iPad's immediate accessibility.

"Everything just worked and was accessible just right out of the box," Castor 
tells Mashable. "That was something I had never experienced before."
"I'm directly impacting the lives of the blind community."

Sarah Herrlinger, senior manager for global accessibility policy and 
initiatives at Apple, says a notable part of the company's steps toward 
accessibility is its dedication to making inclusivity features standard, not 
specialized. This allows those features to be dually accessible — both for 
getting the tech to more users, as well as keeping down costs.

"[These features] show up on your device, regardless of if you are someone who 
needs them," Herrlinger tells Mashable. "By being built-in, they are also free. 
Historically, for the blind and visually impaired community, there are 
additional things you have to buy or things that you have to do to be able to 
use technology."

At that job fair in 2015, Castor's passion for accessibility and Apple was 
evident. She was soon hired as an intern focusing on VoiceOver accessibility.

As her internship came to a close, Castor's skills as an engineer and advocate 
for tech accessibility were too commanding to let go. She was hired full-time 
as an engineer on the accessibility design and 

RE: Sharing on Apple TV

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah that's what I thought.

 Thanks Tim.



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On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sharing on Apple TV

Simon,

No, Home Sharing doesn't work between different locations.  But, if the video 
media has been purchased through iTunes, then it is accessible to anyone using 
that same Apple ID no matter where they are.  Similarly, with Apple Music or 
iTunes Match, where music media is stored in the Cloud, that too is accessible 
to any other ATV using the same Apple ID.  So, in my case, my father lives 
about 16 hours away in British Columbia and has access to my library.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2016, at 01:53, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

I know  the atv has home sharing but will that work between different locations?

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On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 2:46 PM
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Subject: Re: Sharing on Apple TV

Hi,

I don't see why not.  My father uses my Apple ID on his Apple TV so that he has 
access to stream all the content I have available in iCloud.  He doesn't have 
access to purchase on the Apple TV, but has access to all my content.  Other 
things like Netflix etc, as long as you use the same login credentials, it 
should be fine.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 10, 2016, at 17:50, E.T.  wrote:

 Is it possible to share some of the content one plays on the ATV? What I mean 
by this is content that is viewed on an app such as Ted which has a share 
function. A friend and I are curious about this as we both watch documentaries. 
This would not be content one has to subscribe to.

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RE: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Simon Fogarty]

But I want it this year, I'll be getting to old in a few years.

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 1:13 AM
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Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

A TB SSD would probably be a bit thick althoughI suppose you can wire the chips 
in any physical configuration you want.  It’s not like the old IBM 990K where 
you had to have non 90 degree turns in the wiring so the electrons wouldn’t 
over heat at the turns and cause to much thermal noise.

Biggest problem with your proposed config would probably be battery drain but 
give it a few years.  We’ll have way more than that in the form factor you want.

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:18 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeahscott,
> 
> My perfect machine would be an 11inch mac book air with I7 quad core 
> processor and at least 32 gig ram with a 1tb ssd harddrive.
> 
> I like the size of the machine, the work time is great and the size is easy 
> to fit in a bag if I'm mobile.
> But I can't run the things I really want to run at one time.
> Ok so that type of processor and amount of ram would probably melt the 
> keyboard but surely they could put better heat disapation into the design.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:27 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> This is one area I have issues with apple.  Especially in the pro line I wish 
> they would support more than 16GB.  As someone who likes to spin up a lot of 
> VSRX instances,  it would be nice to have lots of extra memory.
> 
> Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I 
> suspect I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:)
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Max
>> 
>> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great 
>> machine, No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older 
>> model which there is only one model of.
>> 
>> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the 
>> harddrives in the pros now are ssd So although the air can do what 
>> the pro does, the air only currently goes to 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 
>> 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram and 1TB SSD But if your not 
>> doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing then you 
>> shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> -Original Message-
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>> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing 
>> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but 
>> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them 
>> for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there 
>> abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a 
>> little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out 
>> the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul 
>> 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the 
>>> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than 
>>> the iPad air2  except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great 
>>> for quad speakers.
>>> 
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>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, 
>>> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> 
 I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
 inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
 
 I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  
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RE: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!

[Simon Fogarty]

, a French guy.

 Louis Braille.

 Can't remember why but oh well something good out of france other than wine 
and the tour.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 1:09 AM
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Subject: Re: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!

I personally would rather some sort of RSA or DH scheme for encryption but 
braille ain’t a bad idea.:)  Especially for communicating in the clear.  To 
easy to translate though but if memory serves didn’t braille come from a 
military code originally?

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi ET,
> 
> Interesting thought on the BRL file for storing passwords,
> 
> I can honestly say that if you did that and I got hold of the file or a 
> printed list of passwords written in braille I'd still be reading it in 6 
> months.
> 
> It's not that I can't read braille but I just don’t' do it enough to remember 
> it as well as I should.
> 
> I just encrypt my files for those I need to.
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 1:45 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!
> 
> Traci and others,
>Finally took a look at these articles. I did not see any responses but 
> here is what I see in this.
> 
>What are the risks with encryption? Forget a password and you are dead in 
> the water? I suppose those of us who can create braille hard copy should be 
> safe. Or even a brf file kept on a braille display.
> 
>With so many passwords, sometimes I am overwhelmed even with an app like 
> 1Password.
> 
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> 
> On 7/7/2016 1:52 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:
>> Here are some interesting articles about securing data on our Macs 
>> and encrypting back ups & external drives.
>> 
>> 5 Ways to Keep Your Mac's Data Safe and Secure - The Mac Observer 
>> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/5-ways-to-keep-your-macs-data-
>> s 
>> afe-and-secure?utm_source=macobserver_medium=rss_campaign=rss
>> _
>> tips
>> 
>> OS X: Encrypting Time Machine Backups - The Mac Observer 
>> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/os-x-encrypting-time-machine-b
>> a
>> ckups
>> 
>> Does anyone follow any or all of the above tips?  Do you have 
>> additional or alternative recommendations?  I find this stuff 
>> fascinating and useful.  Maybe other Mac users will as well.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> Traci
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