IOS 10 Beta

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi List,

As we're not able to ask questions about the betas on list,
Is someone that is running the IOS 10 beta able to email me off list at:
si...@fogarty.net.nz,
or si...@blinky-net.com
so I can check something with them that I'm experiencing?

Cheers,


Simon f

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Re: Songs not finding files on my iPhone?

[Donna Goodin]

Yeah.  I went into Music and tried to download a couple of the songs in 
question, and received a message that they had already been downloaded to my 
phone.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 30, 2016, at 9:57 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> You sure the tracks are on your phone?
> 
> I've had a similar issue and I went back through and made sure the tracks 
> were on the device not apple music tracks,
> 
> Sonos is great, I just wish I could afford a play bar and sub woofer, 
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Songs not finding files on my iPhone?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We just got a Sonos system for our deck. I just tried to play a playlist, and 
> the Sonos app said it couldn't play a bunch of the songs, because it could 
> not locate the files on my phone.  I checked in the music app, and in fact, 
> the songs had been downloaded to my phone.  Does anyone know what is causing 
> this?  This is unacceptable, so if there's not a solution, it's going back to 
> BestBuy tomorrow.  Thanks in advance for any help, this makes no sense to me.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Songs not finding files on my iPhone?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Chris

I don't have Apple Music.  All the songs were from my personal collection.  
That's why this seems so weird to me.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
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> donna,
> I’m not sure whether Sonos can play content from Apple Music.  It should play 
> songs in your personal collection.  There are many ways to play and stream on 
> your Sonos, so don’t give up just yet.
> 
> Chris
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RE: Songs not finding files on my iPhone?

[Simon Fogarty]

Chris,

 I believe now that sonos andapple music do work together, this came into 
action earlier this year,
Sonos also works with Spotify as well.
 But off your phone is the easy one,  


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donna,
I’m not sure whether Sonos can play content from Apple Music.  It should play 
songs in your personal collection.  There are many ways to play and stream on 
your Sonos, so don’t give up just yet.

Chris
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RE: Songs not finding files on my iPhone?

[Simon Fogarty]

You sure the tracks are on your phone?

 I've had a similar issue and I went back through and made sure the tracks were 
on the device not apple music tracks,

Sonos is great, I just wish I could afford a play bar and sub woofer, 

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On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2016 10:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Songs not finding files on my iPhone?

Hi all,

We just got a Sonos system for our deck. I just tried to play a playlist, and 
the Sonos app said it couldn't play a bunch of the songs, because it could not 
locate the files on my phone.  I checked in the music app, and in fact, the 
songs had been downloaded to my phone.  Does anyone know what is causing this?  
This is unacceptable, so if there's not a solution, it's going back to BestBuy 
tomorrow.  Thanks in advance for any help, this makes no sense to me.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: what's the latest generation intel I want to look for in a macbook pro?

[Terje Strømberg]

I am not an expert in the aera, but i would read the computer sites and post in 
their forum for new generations of Intel processors. Lately it has bin little 
increase in speed i guess. The exception may be for professional area of 
application. I guess the time for a new generation is the next version, but i 
only read the tech news from time to time. The second best of both processor 
and graphic for macbook pro i have  heard is a good rule both hear at 
macvisionaries and in the favorite tech site. If the budget is high.

Take care

> 30. jul. 2016 kl. 19.28 skrev E.T. :
> 
> Scott,
>   This site may be useful for checking the specs of current and older models. 
> If I was on a position to buy a new Mac now, I would probably do the same as 
> you.
> 
> 
> 
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> On 7/30/2016 10:22 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I would agree, I’ve been googling, still looks like 5th generation Intel.
>> 
>> 
>> I’m not sure I like the idea of the light bar proposed in the next release. 
>> Rumor of course.
>> 
>> Hmmm
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> To my knowledge, the MacBook pro both 13 and 15 inch haven’t been refreshed 
>>> in over a year. I would keep an eye out for something this fall..
>>> 
>>> hth
 On Jul 30, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 So I’m wondering if the pro available on the apple site now is the latest 
 design or is it still the old model?
 
 I’m thinking of going for a 15 inch quad core I7 fully loaded but before I 
 do I want to make sure the new one isn’t coming out in september.:)
 
 Is there an easy way to tell from the web site?
 
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Re: Songs not finding files on my iPhone?

[Chris Moore]

donna,
I’m not sure whether Sonos can play content from Apple Music.  It should play 
songs in your personal collection.  There are many ways to play and stream on 
your Sonos, so don’t give up just yet.

Chris
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Re: RSGames

[Jessica Moss]

Where do you go to fix those?
> On Jul 30, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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> Well it depends on whether or not you have the setting for use F1, F2 etc. as 
> standard function keys in the keyboard preference pain of system preferences. 
> If that's checked, you shouldn't have to use the FN key when you press F2.
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>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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>> You have to press command+f2 or fn+f2 if I remember correctly to bring up 
>> the chat dialogue box, I can’t remember which one it is right off the top of 
>> my head though, but it’s been that way for years for some reason.  I just 
>> happened to find that out from another user, because the manual doesn’t 
>> state that, so how they figured that out is a good question.
>>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. I had downloaded it and it’s a bit buggy. I can’t chat with anyone as 
>>> pressing F2 doesn’t do anything and it doesn’t always announce results of 
>>> each dice roll when playing Pig. It also doesn’t announce what the other 
>>> player has purchased when playing monopoly and you have to keep checking 
>>> assets that other players have acquired. 
 On 30 Jul 2016, at 01:02, Jonathan Candler  wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 the web address if you want to download the client or anything else is
 
 http://rsgames.org
 
 HTH.
 
 
 
 
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> Hi,
> does anyone know the address for RSGames? Someone told me that you can 
> play them on the mac.
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> Peace,
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Re: RSGames

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On 7/30/2016 4:52 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:

Where do you go to fix those?

On Jul 30, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Well it depends on whether or not you have the setting for use F1, F2 etc. as 
standard function keys in the keyboard preference pain of system preferences. 
If that's checked, you shouldn't have to use the FN key when you press F2.

Shawn
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On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

You have to press command+f2 or fn+f2 if I remember correctly to bring up the 
chat dialogue box, I can’t remember which one it is right off the top of my 
head though, but it’s been that way for years for some reason.  I just happened 
to find that out from another user, because the manual doesn’t state that, so 
how they figured that out is a good question.

On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:

Hi. I had downloaded it and it’s a bit buggy. I can’t chat with anyone as 
pressing F2 doesn’t do anything and it doesn’t always announce results of each 
dice roll when playing Pig. It also doesn’t announce what the other player has 
purchased when playing monopoly and you have to keep checking assets that other 
players have acquired.

On 30 Jul 2016, at 01:02, Jonathan Candler  wrote:

Hello.

the web address if you want to download the client or anything else is

http://rsgames.org

HTH.




On 7/29/2016 4:50 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Hi,
does anyone know the address for RSGames? Someone told me that you can play 
them on the mac.

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net



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Songs not finding files on my iPhone?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

We just got a Sonos system for our deck. I just tried to play a playlist, and 
the Sonos app said it couldn't play a bunch of the songs, because it could not 
locate the files on my phone.  I checked in the music app, and in fact, the 
songs had been downloaded to my phone.  Does anyone know what is causing this?  
This is unacceptable, so if there's not a solution, it's going back to BestBuy 
tomorrow.  Thanks in advance for any help, this makes no sense to me.
Cheers,
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Re: events in an email

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I'm wondering if the contact didn't really get added.  There is a feature in 
Contacts that reads something to the effect of "Found in Mail".  So, if 
Contacts finds a reference to a specific contact in a Mail message, it will be 
listed in the Contacts app when you do a search.  These contact references that 
have been found in Mail are read only references.  Check in your search results 
to see if there's another result that is the actual contact card for them.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 30, 2016, at 13:38, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Today, I added someone to my contacts from this list using the method that 
Chris described.  However, I wanted to delete a mobile number in the contacts 
afterwards.  So I go to the contacts and find the contact, and then interact 
with the information area and try to press Command L to edit the contact.  For 
some reason this contact is an image so Voice Over won’t let me edit it.  Has 
anyone seen this before and if there is a fix, please tell me how to fix it 
please.

Thanks.

Kawal.
> On 30 Jul 2016, at 18:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:
> 
> Sure thing!
> 
> As far as I know, I've never actually done this, believe it or not, but I 
> think, if memory serves correctly, you should be able to VO+navigate over to 
> the event, where you hear event detected, then hit VO+Shift+M.  I'll betcha 
> that one of the options in that context menu that pops up will be to add it 
> to the calendar.
> 
> Again, don't quote me on this, but I'm 95% sure you can do it like that.  If 
> that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll figure it out for ya.
> ---
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> Training Instructor.
> 
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> - Original Message - From: "Marie Lyons" 
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 12:05 PM
> Subject: events in an email
> 
> 
> I received an email from someone listing some dates I needed to put on my 
> calendar. vo said “event detected”. Is there a way to have events in an email 
> put in your calendar; otherwise than handwriting them in?
> 
> Marie Lyons
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Re: Is there a keyboard command to bring the mouse?

[Donna Goodin]

Interesting.  thanks.
Donna
> On Jul 30, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Tinkertool allow to change settings on a Macintosh that you can usually only 
> set interminal, or hidden in advanced dialogs. 
> I most often used it to show hidden files infinder. It also controls to 
> disable several time wasting animations.
>  
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> On Jul 30, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> What is TinkerTool?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you want to enforce this a bit, there is an option in the Dock section 
>>> of Tinkertool to:
>>> 
>>> When switching to application hide all others unchecked
>>> 
>>> This defaults to unchecked, and I am not sure if this is always available, 
>>> or only when "restricted finder" used by parental controls is in effect. I 
>>> guess I would need a sighted person to verify that .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 30, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Anne Robertson > wrote:
 
 Hello Donna,
 
 I regularly have to bring the mouse to the VoiceOver cursor and haven’t 
 encountered the problems Eric described. However, I am in the habit of 
 hiding any other open applications using the command Cmd-Option-h. This 
 keeps the screen clear for the current application.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 
> On 29 Jul 2016, at 22:06, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Erik,
> 
> Thanks so much for this!  I'm glad I hadn't imagined that such a keyboard 
> command existed. :)
> 
> Haven't been able to try it out yet, I'll let you know how it goes.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 8:34 AM, erik burggraaf > > wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry, I forgot to add, when pressing control option command f5, the 
>> feedback will be the contents of the voiceover cursor, indicating that 
>> the mouse has been routed to the voiceover cursor; However, clicking may 
>> yeald unexpected results because mac os lets you stack windows on top of 
>> eachother, but voiceover doesn't indicate that such a window is present. 
>>  So, you may think you're clicking on some mouse only button on a 
>> webpage in a safari window when in fact you're clicking on a file icon 
>> in finder or notification text in a hidden dialog box.  Thus, routing 
>> the mouse and clicking is an inexact process.  It's also worth noting 
>> that some clickable options won't work with the trackpad as long as 
>> voiceover is turned on.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
>> http://www.theoutofworkbum.work 
>> Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for 
>> persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
>> http://www.inclusiveandroid.com 
>>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:28 AM, erik burggraaf >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Control option command f5 is what I use.
>>> 
>>> hth,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
>>> http://www.theoutofworkbum.work 
>>> Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for 
>>> persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
>>> http://www.inclusiveandroid.com 
 On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I know that may be a dumb question, but I'm thinking there is one and 
 I can't remember what it is.  I'm trying to force the mouse to route 
 to the voiceover cursor, similar to the Route Jaws to PC in JAWS.
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
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Re: events in an email

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Today, I added someone to my contacts from this list using the method that 
Chris described.  However, I wanted to delete a mobile number in the contacts 
afterwards.  So I go to the contacts and find the contact, and then interact 
with the information area and try to press Command L to edit the contact.  For 
some reason this contact is an image so Voice Over won’t let me edit it.  Has 
anyone seen this before and if there is a fix, please tell me how to fix it 
please.

Thanks.

Kawal.
> On 30 Jul 2016, at 18:57, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Sure thing!
> 
> As far as I know, I've never actually done this, believe it or not, but I 
> think, if memory serves correctly, you should be able to VO+navigate over to 
> the event, where you hear event detected, then hit VO+Shift+M.  I'll betcha 
> that one of the options in that context menu that pops up will be to add it 
> to the calendar.
> 
> Again, don't quote me on this, but I'm 95% sure you can do it like that.  If 
> that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll figure it out for ya.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Marie Lyons" 
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 12:05 PM
> Subject: events in an email
> 
> 
> I received an email from someone listing some dates I needed to put on my 
> calendar. vo said “event detected”. Is there a way to have events in an email 
> put in your calendar; otherwise than handwriting them in?
> 
> Marie Lyons
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Re: Is there a keyboard command to bring the mouse?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Tinkertool allow to change settings on a Macintosh that you can usually only 
set interminal, or hidden in advanced dialogs. 
I most often used it to show hidden files infinder. It also controls to disable 
several time wasting animations.
 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Jul 30, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> What is TinkerTool?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> If you want to enforce this a bit, there is an option in the Dock section of 
>> Tinkertool to:
>> 
>> When switching to application hide all others unchecked
>> 
>> This defaults to unchecked, and I am not sure if this is always available, 
>> or only when "restricted finder" used by parental controls is in effect. I 
>> guess I would need a sighted person to verify that .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Donna,
>>> 
>>> I regularly have to bring the mouse to the VoiceOver cursor and haven’t 
>>> encountered the problems Eric described. However, I am in the habit of 
>>> hiding any other open applications using the command Cmd-Option-h. This 
>>> keeps the screen clear for the current application.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 29 Jul 2016, at 22:06, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi Erik,
 
 Thanks so much for this!  I'm glad I hadn't imagined that such a keyboard 
 command existed. :)
 
 Haven't been able to try it out yet, I'll let you know how it goes.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jul 29, 2016, at 8:34 AM, erik burggraaf  
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I forgot to add, when pressing control option command f5, the 
> feedback will be the contents of the voiceover cursor, indicating that 
> the mouse has been routed to the voiceover cursor; However, clicking may 
> yeald unexpected results because mac os lets you stack windows on top of 
> eachother, but voiceover doesn't indicate that such a window is present.  
> So, you may think you're clicking on some mouse only button on a webpage 
> in a safari window when in fact you're clicking on a file icon in finder 
> or notification text in a hidden dialog box.  Thus, routing the mouse and 
> clicking is an inexact process.  It's also worth noting that some 
> clickable options won't work with the trackpad as long as voiceover is 
> turned on.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
> http://www.theoutofworkbum.work
> Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for 
> persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
> http://www.inclusiveandroid.com
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:28 AM, erik burggraaf  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Control option command f5 is what I use.
>> 
>> hth,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
>> http://www.theoutofworkbum.work
>> Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for 
>> persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
>> http://www.inclusiveandroid.com
>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I know that may be a dumb question, but I'm thinking there is one and I 
>>> can't remember what it is.  I'm trying to force the mouse to route to 
>>> the voiceover cursor, similar to the Route Jaws to PC in JAWS.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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On 7/30/2016 11:43 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

What is TinkerTool?
Cheers,
Donna


On Jul 30, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:

If you want to enforce this a bit, there is an option in the Dock
section of Tinkertool to:

When switching to application hide all others unchecked

This defaults to unchecked, and I am not sure if this is always
available, or only when "restricted finder" used by parental controls
is in effect. I guess I would need a sighted person to verify that .




Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Jul 30, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Anne Robertson > wrote:

Hello Donna,

I regularly have to bring the mouse to the VoiceOver cursor and
haven’t encountered the problems Eric described. However, I am in the
habit of hiding any other open applications using the command
Cmd-Option-h. This keeps the screen clear for the current application.

Cheers,

Anne




On 29 Jul 2016, at 22:06, Donna Goodin > wrote:

Hi Erik,

Thanks so much for this!  I'm glad I hadn't imagined that such a
keyboard command existed. :)

Haven't been able to try it out yet, I'll let you know how it goes.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 29, 2016, at 8:34 AM, erik burggraaf
> wrote:

Sorry, I forgot to add, when pressing control option command f5,
the feedback will be the contents of the voiceover cursor,
indicating that the mouse has been routed to the voiceover cursor;
However, clicking may yeald unexpected results because mac os lets
you stack windows on top of eachother, but voiceover doesn't
indicate that such a window is present.  So, you may think you're
clicking on some mouse only button on a webpage in a safari window
when in fact you're clicking on a file icon in finder or
notification text in a hidden dialog box.  Thus, routing the mouse
and clicking is an inexact process.  It's also worth noting that
some clickable options won't work with the trackpad as long as
voiceover is turned on.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
http://www.theoutofworkbum.work 
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for
persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
http://www.inclusiveandroid.com 


On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:28 AM, erik burggraaf
> wrote:

Control option command f5 is what I use.

hth,

Erik Burggraaf
Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
http://www.theoutofworkbum.work 
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform
for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
http://www.inclusiveandroid.com 


On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote:

Hi all,

I know that may be a dumb question, but I'm thinking there is one
and I can't remember what it is.  I'm trying to force the mouse
to route to the voiceover cursor, similar to the Route Jaws to PC
in JAWS.
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: Is there a keyboard command to bring the mouse?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Anne,

wow, thanks for this!  I didn't even know the hide command existed.

Unfortunately, bringing the mouse did not solve my problem on this page, but 
it's still good to know how to do it.  I'm sure I'll need it at some point in 
the future.  Thanks to everyone for your help with this.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 30, 2016, at 2:41 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> I regularly have to bring the mouse to the VoiceOver cursor and haven’t 
> encountered the problems Eric described. However, I am in the habit of hiding 
> any other open applications using the command Cmd-Option-h. This keeps the 
> screen clear for the current application.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 Jul 2016, at 22:06, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Erik,
>> 
>> Thanks so much for this!  I'm glad I hadn't imagined that such a keyboard 
>> command existed. :)
>> 
>> Haven't been able to try it out yet, I'll let you know how it goes.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 8:34 AM, erik burggraaf >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I forgot to add, when pressing control option command f5, the 
>>> feedback will be the contents of the voiceover cursor, indicating that the 
>>> mouse has been routed to the voiceover cursor; However, clicking may yeald 
>>> unexpected results because mac os lets you stack windows on top of 
>>> eachother, but voiceover doesn't indicate that such a window is present.  
>>> So, you may think you're clicking on some mouse only button on a webpage in 
>>> a safari window when in fact you're clicking on a file icon in finder or 
>>> notification text in a hidden dialog box.  Thus, routing the mouse and 
>>> clicking is an inexact process.  It's also worth noting that some clickable 
>>> options won't work with the trackpad as long as voiceover is turned on.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
>>> http://www.theoutofworkbum.work 
>>> Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons 
>>> with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
>>> http://www.inclusiveandroid.com 
 On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:28 AM, erik burggraaf > wrote:
 
 Control option command f5 is what I use.
 
 hth,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
 http://www.theoutofworkbum.work 
 Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for 
 persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
 http://www.inclusiveandroid.com 
> On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I know that may be a dumb question, but I'm thinking there is one and I 
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Re: Is there a keyboard command to bring the mouse?

[Donna Goodin]

What is TinkerTool?
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jul 30, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> If you want to enforce this a bit, there is an option in the Dock section of 
> Tinkertool to:
> 
> When switching to application hide all others unchecked
> 
> This defaults to unchecked, and I am not sure if this is always available, or 
> only when "restricted finder" used by parental controls is in effect. I guess 
> I would need a sighted person to verify that .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> I regularly have to bring the mouse to the VoiceOver cursor and haven’t 
>> encountered the problems Eric described. However, I am in the habit of 
>> hiding any other open applications using the command Cmd-Option-h. This 
>> keeps the screen clear for the current application.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Jul 2016, at 22:06, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Erik,
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much for this!  I'm glad I hadn't imagined that such a keyboard 
>>> command existed. :)
>>> 
>>> Haven't been able to try it out yet, I'll let you know how it goes.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jul 29, 2016, at 8:34 AM, erik burggraaf > wrote:
 
 Sorry, I forgot to add, when pressing control option command f5, the 
 feedback will be the contents of the voiceover cursor, indicating that the 
 mouse has been routed to the voiceover cursor; However, clicking may yeald 
 unexpected results because mac os lets you stack windows on top of 
 eachother, but voiceover doesn't indicate that such a window is present.  
 So, you may think you're clicking on some mouse only button on a webpage 
 in a safari window when in fact you're clicking on a file icon in finder 
 or notification text in a hidden dialog box.  Thus, routing the mouse and 
 clicking is an inexact process.  It's also worth noting that some 
 clickable options won't work with the trackpad as long as voiceover is 
 turned on.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
 http://www.theoutofworkbum.work 
 Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for 
 persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
 http://www.inclusiveandroid.com 
> On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:28 AM, erik burggraaf  > wrote:
> 
> Control option command f5 is what I use.
> 
> hth,
> 
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>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I know that may be a dumb question, but I'm thinking there is one and I 
>> can't remember what it is.  I'm trying to force the mouse to route to 
>> the voiceover cursor, similar to the Route Jaws to PC in JAWS.
>> Thanks,
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Re: events in an email

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Sure thing!

As far as I know, I've never actually done this, believe it or not, but I 
think, if memory serves correctly, you should be able to VO+navigate over to 
the event, where you hear event detected, then hit VO+Shift+M.  I'll betcha 
that one of the options in that context menu that pops up will be to add it 
to the calendar.


Again, don't quote me on this, but I'm 95% sure you can do it like that.  If 
that doesn't work, let me know, and I'll figure it out for ya.

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To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
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Subject: events in an email


I received an email from someone listing some dates I needed to put on my 
calendar. vo said “event detected”. Is there a way to have events in an 
email put in your calendar; otherwise than handwriting them in?


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Re: what's the latest generation intel I want to look for in a macbook pro?

[E.T.]

Scott,
   This site may be useful for checking the specs of current and older 
models. If I was on a position to buy a new Mac now, I would probably do 
the same as you.




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On 7/30/2016 10:22 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I would agree, I’ve been googling, still looks like 5th generation Intel.


I’m not sure I like the idea of the light bar proposed in the next release. 
Rumor of course.

Hmmm

thanks


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Hi Scott,

To my knowledge, the MacBook pro both 13 and 15 inch haven’t been refreshed in 
over a year. I would keep an eye out for something this fall..

hth

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So I’m wondering if the pro available on the apple site now is the latest 
design or is it still the old model?

I’m thinking of going for a 15 inch quad core I7 fully loaded but before I do I 
want to make sure the new one isn’t coming out in september.:)

Is there an easy way to tell from the web site?

Thanks

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Re: what's the latest generation intel I want to look for in a macbook pro?

[Scott Granados]

I would agree, I’ve been googling, still looks like 5th generation Intel.


I’m not sure I like the idea of the light bar proposed in the next release. 
Rumor of course.

Hmmm

thanks

> On Jul 30, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> To my knowledge, the MacBook pro both 13 and 15 inch haven’t been refreshed 
> in over a year. I would keep an eye out for something this fall..
> 
> hth
>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So I’m wondering if the pro available on the apple site now is the latest 
>> design or is it still the old model?
>> 
>> I’m thinking of going for a 15 inch quad core I7 fully loaded but before I 
>> do I want to make sure the new one isn’t coming out in september.:)
>> 
>> Is there an easy way to tell from the web site?
>> 
>> Thanks
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Re: what's the latest generation intel I want to look for in a macbook pro?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi Scott,

To my knowledge, the MacBook pro both 13 and 15 inch haven’t been refreshed in 
over a year. I would keep an eye out for something this fall..

hth
> On Jul 30, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So I’m wondering if the pro available on the apple site now is the latest 
> design or is it still the old model?
> 
> I’m thinking of going for a 15 inch quad core I7 fully loaded but before I do 
> I want to make sure the new one isn’t coming out in september.:)
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Re: events in an email

[Jonathan Cohn]

Probably the best thing to do, is select the event with the date and time and 
then paste it into the new event entry field of the calendar application.

You can also, vo-shift-M on the date and select quick look event. 

This will bring up a dialog that might be usable by VoiceOver that has the 
details and allows you to add a location travel time …

Note, if you calendar application has a details dialog open both the quick look 
event and mail seem to become unusable in both El Capitain and Yosemite and 
your only way out is to quite and start mail.

And no, I have not documented this in enough detail to report to Apple 
Accessibility.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




> On Jul 30, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
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> I received an email from someone listing some dates I needed to put on my 
> calendar. vo said “event detected”. Is there a way to have events in an email 
> put in your calendar; otherwise than handwriting them in?
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> Marie Lyons
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Re: Audio highjack echo

[Jonathan Cohn]

Are you using headphones or a headset while making the call? I expect that to 
be the most the Microphone picking up your callers voice would be the most 
likely culprit. Note, it is possible if you want to not have the sides of the 
conversation split.

Vision AustriaAustralia gave a good demo of Hijack options when the major 
version came out about a year ago.

 wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Jul 30, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Antonio Guimaraes  
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> I am using Audiohighjack to record Skype and FaceTime calls.
> 
> The resulting recording gives me my friend’s sound in the right channel and 
> my sound plus an echo of my friend’s sound in the left channel.
> 
> This is most likely a result of software settings as the echo on the left 
> does not pick up any of the VoiceOver sounds, only the incoming audio.
> 
> How can I get good audio during the recording? I cannot think of any way to 
> fix this in postproduction.
> 
> I’m using Amadeus Pro to edit the recording.
> 
> Antonio
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Re: Is there a keyboard command to bring the mouse?

[Jonathan Cohn]

If you want to enforce this a bit, there is an option in the Dock section of 
Tinkertool to:

When switching to application hide all others unchecked

This defaults to unchecked, and I am not sure if this is always available, or 
only when "restricted finder" used by parental controls is in effect. I guess I 
would need a sighted person to verify that .




Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 30, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> I regularly have to bring the mouse to the VoiceOver cursor and haven’t 
> encountered the problems Eric described. However, I am in the habit of hiding 
> any other open applications using the command Cmd-Option-h. This keeps the 
> screen clear for the current application.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 Jul 2016, at 22:06, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Erik,
>> 
>> Thanks so much for this!  I'm glad I hadn't imagined that such a keyboard 
>> command existed. :)
>> 
>> Haven't been able to try it out yet, I'll let you know how it goes.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 8:34 AM, erik burggraaf >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I forgot to add, when pressing control option command f5, the 
>>> feedback will be the contents of the voiceover cursor, indicating that the 
>>> mouse has been routed to the voiceover cursor; However, clicking may yeald 
>>> unexpected results because mac os lets you stack windows on top of 
>>> eachother, but voiceover doesn't indicate that such a window is present.  
>>> So, you may think you're clicking on some mouse only button on a webpage in 
>>> a safari window when in fact you're clicking on a file icon in finder or 
>>> notification text in a hidden dialog box.  Thus, routing the mouse and 
>>> clicking is an inexact process.  It's also worth noting that some clickable 
>>> options won't work with the trackpad as long as voiceover is turned on.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
>>> http://www.theoutofworkbum.work 
>>> Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons 
>>> with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
>>> http://www.inclusiveandroid.com 
 On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:28 AM, erik burggraaf > wrote:
 
 Control option command f5 is what I use.
 
 hth,
 
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> On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I know that may be a dumb question, but I'm thinking there is one and I 
> can't remember what it is.  I'm trying to force the mouse to route to the 
> voiceover cursor, similar to the Route Jaws to PC in JAWS.
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Re: RSGames

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Well it depends on whether or not you have the setting for use F1, F2 etc. as 
standard function keys in the keyboard preference pain of system preferences. 
If that's checked, you shouldn't have to use the FN key when you press F2.

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> On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> You have to press command+f2 or fn+f2 if I remember correctly to bring up the 
> chat dialogue box, I can’t remember which one it is right off the top of my 
> head though, but it’s been that way for years for some reason.  I just 
> happened to find that out from another user, because the manual doesn’t state 
> that, so how they figured that out is a good question.
>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
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>> Hi. I had downloaded it and it’s a bit buggy. I can’t chat with anyone as 
>> pressing F2 doesn’t do anything and it doesn’t always announce results of 
>> each dice roll when playing Pig. It also doesn’t announce what the other 
>> player has purchased when playing monopoly and you have to keep checking 
>> assets that other players have acquired. 
>>> On 30 Jul 2016, at 01:02, Jonathan Candler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> the web address if you want to download the client or anything else is
>>> 
>>> http://rsgames.org
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/29/2016 4:50 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
 Hi,
 does anyone know the address for RSGames? Someone told me that you can 
 play them on the mac.
 
 Peace, 
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
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Audio highjack echo

[Antonio Guimaraes]

I am using Audiohighjack to record Skype and FaceTime calls.

The resulting recording gives me my friend’s sound in the right channel and my 
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This is most likely a result of software settings as the echo on the left does 
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Re: RSGames

[Stacey Robinson]

No not really, but what if you’re somewhere where there’s no wifi?
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jul 30, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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> Yes, once you download the Mac client you can play by yourself. However, it's 
> going to be online because bots are controlled by the server. Any reason why 
> you want it to be offline?
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>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:36 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> ok. Do I download a client so that I can play offline?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Peace,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Devin Prater  
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Friday, July 29, 2016 9:20 pm
>> Subject: Re: RSGCbi'ames
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You can invite bots to play, which are computer opponents, so all games 
>>> on the server can be single player.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 07/29/2016 07:57 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
 Are there any single player games on the rs games site?
 Peace, 
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
> On Jul 29, 2016, at 7:02 PM, Jonathan Candler  
> wrote:
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> Hello.
> 
> the web address if you want to download the client or anything else is
> 
> http://rsgames.org
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/29/2016 4:50 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> Hi,
>> does anyone know the address for RSGCbi'ames? Someone told me that you 
>> can play them on the mac.
>> 
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Re: RSGames

[Jessica Moss]

You have to press command+f2 or fn+f2 if I remember correctly to bring up the 
chat dialogue box, I can’t remember which one it is right off the top of my 
head though, but it’s been that way for years for some reason.  I just happened 
to find that out from another user, because the manual doesn’t state that, so 
how they figured that out is a good question.
> On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. I had downloaded it and it’s a bit buggy. I can’t chat with anyone as 
> pressing F2 doesn’t do anything and it doesn’t always announce results of 
> each dice roll when playing Pig. It also doesn’t announce what the other 
> player has purchased when playing monopoly and you have to keep checking 
> assets that other players have acquired. 
>> On 30 Jul 2016, at 01:02, Jonathan Candler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> the web address if you want to download the client or anything else is
>> 
>> http://rsgames.org
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/29/2016 4:50 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> does anyone know the address for RSGames? Someone told me that you can play 
>>> them on the mac.
>>> 
>>> Peace,  
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
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RE: recovering a deleted contact with El Capitan

[Simon Fogarty]

Have you gone in to your trash and tried to re insert it from there?

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Behalf Of Paul Hopewell
Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2016 10:35 PM
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Subject: recovering a deleted contact with El Capitan

Hello, 
I am running the latest level of El Capitan. I use Time Machine. 
Is it possible using VoiceOver and Time Machine to recover a contact I 
erroneously deleted a few days ago?
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Re: Is there a keyboard command to bring the mouse?

[-dan d.]

In vo utility navigation you can have combinations of cursors track each 
other, or all doing so as one.


On Fri, 29 Jul 2016, Donna Goodin wrote:


Hi all,

I know that may be a dumb question, but I'm thinking there is one and I can't 
remember what it is.  I'm trying to force the mouse to route to the voiceover 
cursor, similar to the Route Jaws to PC in JAWS.
Thanks,
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Re: RSGames

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I had downloaded it and it’s a bit buggy. I can’t chat with anyone as 
pressing F2 doesn’t do anything and it doesn’t always announce results of each 
dice roll when playing Pig. It also doesn’t announce what the other player has 
purchased when playing monopoly and you have to keep checking assets that other 
players have acquired. 
> On 30 Jul 2016, at 01:02, Jonathan Candler  wrote:
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> Hello.
> 
> the web address if you want to download the client or anything else is
> 
> http://rsgames.org
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/29/2016 4:50 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> Hi,
>> does anyone know the address for RSGames? Someone told me that you can play 
>> them on the mac.
>> 
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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recovering a deleted contact with El Capitan

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
I am running the latest level of El Capitan. I use Time Machine. 
Is it possible using VoiceOver and Time Machine to recover a contact I 
erroneously deleted a few days ago?
Many thanks.

Paul Hopewell 

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Re: Is there a keyboard command to bring the mouse?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Donna,

I regularly have to bring the mouse to the VoiceOver cursor and haven’t 
encountered the problems Eric described. However, I am in the habit of hiding 
any other open applications using the command Cmd-Option-h. This keeps the 
screen clear for the current application.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 29 Jul 2016, at 22:06, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Erik,
> 
> Thanks so much for this!  I'm glad I hadn't imagined that such a keyboard 
> command existed. :)
> 
> Haven't been able to try it out yet, I'll let you know how it goes.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 8:34 AM, erik burggraaf > > wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry, I forgot to add, when pressing control option command f5, the 
>> feedback will be the contents of the voiceover cursor, indicating that the 
>> mouse has been routed to the voiceover cursor; However, clicking may yeald 
>> unexpected results because mac os lets you stack windows on top of 
>> eachother, but voiceover doesn't indicate that such a window is present.  
>> So, you may think you're clicking on some mouse only button on a webpage in 
>> a safari window when in fact you're clicking on a file icon in finder or 
>> notification text in a hidden dialog box.  Thus, routing the mouse and 
>> clicking is an inexact process.  It's also worth noting that some clickable 
>> options won't work with the trackpad as long as voiceover is turned on.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
>> http://www.theoutofworkbum.work 
>> Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons 
>> with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
>> http://www.inclusiveandroid.com 
>>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:28 AM, erik burggraaf >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Control option command f5 is what I use.
>>> 
>>> hth,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Freelance jack of many trades!  Visit my website:
>>> http://www.theoutofworkbum.work 
>>> Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons 
>>> with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
>>> http://www.inclusiveandroid.com 
 On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I know that may be a dumb question, but I'm thinking there is one and I 
 can't remember what it is.  I'm trying to force the mouse to route to the 
 voiceover cursor, similar to the Route Jaws to PC in JAWS.
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
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Re: RSGames

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Yes, once you download the Mac client you can play by yourself. However, it's 
going to be online because bots are controlled by the server. Any reason why 
you want it to be offline?

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> On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:36 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> ok. Do I download a client so that I can play offline?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
> stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Devin Prater  
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 29, 2016 9:20 pm
> Subject: Re: RSGCbi'ames
> 
>> 
>> 
>> You can invite bots to play, which are computer opponents, so all games 
>> on the server can be single player.
>> 
>> 
>> On 07/29/2016 07:57 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>>> Are there any single player games on the rs games site?
>>> Peace,  
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
 On Jul 29, 2016, at 7:02 PM, Jonathan Candler  wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 the web address if you want to download the client or anything else is
 
 http://rsgames.org
 
 HTH.
 
 
 
 
 On 7/29/2016 4:50 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
> Hi,
> does anyone know the address for RSGCbi'ames? Someone told me that you 
> can play them on the mac.
> 
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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