Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

Isn’t that interesting, dictation translated merger as burger.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 1:04 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock out 
> there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and spectrum.
> 
> VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
> Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right though, it 
> does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 (E.T. should like 
> that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ network in miniature 
> in our building.
> 
> I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be nice for T-Mo to 
> buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum to better use.  
> Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be more easy to make 
> happen, I hope it does not.
>  
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
>> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
>> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money 
>> than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been 
>> doing well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you would 
>> think that would impact of their income over all and thus and their ability 
>> to do stuff in the future
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
>>> sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
>>> group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten > wrote:
 
 Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I 
> know they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read 
> it’s from their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice. 
>  My handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole 
>> networ. Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. 
>> Really need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the 
>>> ability to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the 
>>> network since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back 
>>> in to the lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum 
>>> speeds of 400 megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been 
>>> released, 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 
>>> 256/quad download.  
>>> First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to 
>>> your handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per 
>>> band effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between 
>>> your handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in 
>>> over 251 cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>> Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per 
>>> frame or transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully 
>>> rolled out across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined 
>>> these technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput 
>>> and the ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying 
>>> about user contention or the need to throttle.  
>>> T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of 
>>> the area that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans 
>>> continue to not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the 
>>> highest in the industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw 
>>> capacity and more towers to carry your traffic.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm 
>>> 

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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

You’re forgetting one key thing though, T-Mobile floats a lot of stock out 
there and issued blocks recently to raise money for expansion and spectrum.

VZ has a tremendous amount of cash flow but a tremendous amount of debt.  
Remember they had to buy their way out of Votophone.  You’re right though, it 
does help.  You should have seen our lab called building 51 (E.T. should like 
that reference).  We had a whole replication of the VZ network in miniature in 
our building.

I’m not sure if the regulators will allow it but it would be nice for T-Mo to 
buy Sprint and fix that network or at least put that spectrum to better use.  
Unfortunately the dish network burger would probably be more easy to make 
happen, I hope it does not.
 

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I 
> think. It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They 
> still have the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money 
> than anybody to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been doing 
> well. But they are still number three in the big race, and you would think 
> that would impact of their income over all and thus and their ability to do 
> stuff in the future
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
>> sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
>> group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I 
 know they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s 
 from their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My 
 handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
 
 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole 
> networ. Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. 
> Really need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the 
>> ability to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the 
>> network since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back 
>> in to the lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum 
>> speeds of 400 megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been 
>> released, 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad 
>> download.  
>>  First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
>> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
>> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your 
>> handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 
>> 251 cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>  Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
>> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled 
>> out across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
>> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
>> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
>> contention or the need to throttle.  
>>  T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
>> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue 
>> to not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest 
>> in the industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and 
>> more towers to carry your traffic.
>> 
>> Read more here
>> 
>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm 
>> 
>> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

Oh I am sure. They have been talking about 5G testing now for sometime I think. 
It seems like that's the one thing Vesey has over everybody. They still have 
the most customers by far, which should mean they have more money than anybody 
to spend on these kinds of improvements. T-Mobile has been doing well. But they 
are still number three in the big race, and you would think that would impact 
of their income over all and thus and their ability to do stuff in the future

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very 
> sharp people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO 
> group, they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
>>> they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
>>> their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My 
>>> handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
 aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. 
 Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really 
 need that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
 
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the 
> ability to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the 
> network since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back 
> in to the lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds 
> of 400 megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 
> 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
>   First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your 
> handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 
> cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
>   Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
> contention or the need to throttle.  
>   T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue 
> to not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in 
> the industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more 
> towers to carry your traffic.
> 
> Read more here
> 
> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

sorry. I did not see the date. That's what's called reading too fast.
Mary
At least I seeing you Jean is included in the list of cities.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mary, note the date on that article, it’s the day before iPhone release day.  
> They were legally bound not to mention the iPhone at the publishing of that 
> article.  The iPhone is in fact one of the up coming phones:).  If you look 
> at Apple’s spec sheet you can see that carrier aggregation, LTE advanced and 
> the other features are mentioned.  How about that Intel modem?  The qualcomm 
> also supports these features but the T-Mobile version definitely does.
>  
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>>  Having read the linked article, which specifically mentions Samsung galaxy 
>> S7 and S7 edge, and says it more phones will be available, I note the 
>> absence of the iPhone seven and 7+. So the question, how will you know if 
>> your iPhone 7 and or 7+ is capable of taking a vantage of all this new stuff?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability 
>>> to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network 
>>> since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the 
>>> lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 
>>> megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO 
>>> and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download. 
>>> First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
>>> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
>>> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your 
>>> handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 
>>> cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>> Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
>>> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
>>> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
>>> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
>>> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
>>> contention or the need to throttle.  
>>> T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
>>> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
>>> not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
>>> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers 
>>> to carry your traffic.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
>>> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

I like to see the competition, I think it’s a cool thing.  There are very sharp 
people at VZ including my friend who is the lead engineer in the NNO group, 
they will continue in the arms race I’m sure.:)

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
>> they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
>> their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My 
>> handiwork at Verizon just got smoked.:)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. 
>>> Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need 
>>> that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability 
 to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network 
 since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the 
 lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 
 megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO 
 and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
 handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
 effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your 
 handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 
 cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
 transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
 across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
 technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
 ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
 contention or the need to throttle.  
T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
 that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
 not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
 industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers 
 to carry your traffic.
 
 Read more here
 
 https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm 
 
 
 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

Mary, note the date on that article, it’s the day before iPhone release day.  
They were legally bound not to mention the iPhone at the publishing of that 
article.  The iPhone is in fact one of the up coming phones:).  If you look at 
Apple’s spec sheet you can see that carrier aggregation, LTE advanced and the 
other features are mentioned.  How about that Intel modem?  The qualcomm also 
supports these features but the T-Mobile version definitely does.
 

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>  Having read the linked article, which specifically mentions Samsung galaxy 
> S7 and S7 edge, and says it more phones will be available, I note the absence 
> of the iPhone seven and 7+. So the question, how will you know if your iPhone 
> 7 and or 7+ is capable of taking a vantage of all this new stuff?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability 
>> to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 
>> 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead 
>> being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits 
>> now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new 
>> modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
>>  First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
>> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
>> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
>> and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
>> quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>  Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
>> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
>> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
>> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
>> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
>> contention or the need to throttle.  
>>  T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
>> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
>> not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
>> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers 
>> to carry your traffic.
>> 
>> Read more here
>> 
>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm 
>> 
>> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

Well, you got paid for it. So if it's smoked, it's smoked.
Mary


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
> they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
> their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My handiwork 
> at Verizon just got smoked.:)
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
>> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. 
>> Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need 
>> that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability 
>>> to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network 
>>> since 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the 
>>> lead being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 
>>> megabits now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO 
>>> and new modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download. 
>>> First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
>>> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
>>> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your 
>>> handset and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 
>>> cities and quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>> Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
>>> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
>>> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
>>> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
>>> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
>>> contention or the need to throttle.  
>>> T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
>>> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
>>> not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
>>> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers 
>>> to carry your traffic.
>>> 
>>> Read more here
>>> 
>>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
>>> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

 Having read the linked article, which specifically mentions Samsung galaxy S7 
and S7 edge, and says it more phones will be available, I note the absence of 
the iPhone seven and 7+. So the question, how will you know if your iPhone 7 
and or 7+ is capable of taking a vantage of all this new stuff?
Mary


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability to 
> bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 
> 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead 
> being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits 
> now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new 
> modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
>   First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
> and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
> quickly being rolled out network wide.
>   Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
> contention or the need to throttle.  
>   T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
> not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers to 
> carry your traffic.
> 
> Read more here
> 
> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

Looks like they are continuing to build out which is a good sign and I know 
they are closing on more spectrum for more areas. Enjoy the read it’s from 
their CTO and has a fair bit of technical detail which is nice.  My handiwork 
at Verizon just got smoked.:)


> On Sep 20, 2016, at 12:30 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my 
> aggregation of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. 
> Maybe that means even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need 
> that wider coverage out here in the wild wild West.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability 
>> to bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 
>> 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead 
>> being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits 
>> now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new 
>> modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
>>  First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
>> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
>> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
>> and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
>> quickly being rolled out network wide.
>>  Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
>> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
>> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
>> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
>> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
>> contention or the need to throttle.  
>>  T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
>> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
>> not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
>> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers 
>> to carry your traffic.
>> 
>> Read more here
>> 
>> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm 
>> 
>> 
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Re: T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Mary Otten]

Thanks for including the link, Scott. I haven't seen that yet in my aggregation 
of tech news. I'm glad to see it's coming to the whole networ. Maybe that means 
even we out here in Oregon will get it. Smile. Really need that wider coverage 
out here in the wild wild West.

Mary


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability to 
> bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 
> 2014 and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead 
> being over 2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits 
> now available.  Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new 
> modulation schema 64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
>   First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
> handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
> effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
> and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
> quickly being rolled out network wide.
>   Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
> transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
> across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these 
> technologies allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the 
> ability to offer truly unlimited services with out worrying about user 
> contention or the need to throttle.  
>   T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
> that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to 
> not only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the 
> industry surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers to 
> carry your traffic.
> 
> Read more here
> 
> https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm
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T-Mobile launches LTE 4X4 MIMO and 64/256 quadrature modulation beating verizon again!

[Scott Granados]

For folks who are aware, Verizon just launched LTE advanced or the ability to 
bond carriers.  T-Mobile has had carrier aggregation in the network since 2014 
and with new advances announced this week jumps back in to the lead being over 
2 times faster than verizon with maximum speeds of 400 megabits now available.  
Two key technologies have been released, 4X4 MIMO and new modulation schema 
64/quad upload and 256/quad download.  
First, 4X4 MIMO allows t-mobile to open twice as many paths to your 
handset.  This means that data is now spread on multiple paths per band 
effectively increasing the bandwidth ( radio bandwidth) between your handset 
and the tower.  This technology is up and running now in over 251 cities and 
quickly being rolled out network wide.
Second, the new modulation scheme means that more bits per frame or 
transmission are sent at one time.  This upgrade will be fully rolled out 
across the T-Mobile network by the end of october.  Combined these technologies 
allow for more cells per tower, faster throughput and the ability to offer 
truly unlimited services with out worrying about user contention or the need to 
throttle.  
T-Mobile also announced that it’s network now covers 99.7% of the area 
that Verizon covers and reaches over 312 million users.  Plans continue to not 
only increase coverage but increase cell density to the highest in the industry 
surpassing verizon.  This means more raw capacity and more towers to carry your 
traffic.

Read more here

https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm 


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Re: I may have possible explanation for the so-called hiss gate

[Scott Granados]

Ray, you are way way way off buddy but I see how you arrived at your 
conclusion. Not a bad guess.

The hissing is coil noise.  Let me expand on that for folks not familiar.

Coil noise is a generic electronics term for the sounds that circuits can make 
from electrical resonance.  When an electric current passes through an 
electronic component it can cause that component to vibrate.  The vibration 
will grow louder as more current passes through the circuits.  It doesn’t have 
to be a coil though, any electronic circuit has the potential to resonate.  A 
good example of one you’re all familiar with is the 60 cycle hum that 
transformers make.  Just hold your power adapter to your ear and you’ll hear 
that buzz, that’s coil noise.  
In the specific case of some iPhone 7 and 7+ models some folks hear a 
hiss or high frequency buzz emanating from the area behind the apple on the 
back of the phone.  Hold the apple to your ear if your phone is one doing this 
and you’ll hear the hiss at it’s loudest.  What’s right behind the apple?  The 
A10 processor.  There’s also a voltage regulator right in that area.  It’s said 
that the hiss is the loudest when the phone is under load (heavy computational 
load like a restore, booting, running a ton of apps, etc).  This is because 
more power is pushed through the silicon in the A10 and it actually has a 
resonant frequency in our audio spectrum.  Now, the phones have damping 
materials in them.  THere’s a little drop of glue in there that dampens the 
vibration.  On some phones it’s thought this glue dried out or not enough was 
applied.  Less dampening material = louder resonance or buzz.  Think of a 
tuning fork, if you ring the fork it resonates and vibrates.  If you take your 
hand and grab the end of the fork the note will stop because your hand dampens 
the vibrations.  Same with the glue.  Bottom line, it’s harmless.  Not all 
phones have this.  I won’t even call it a problem as it’s not.  Apple will 
however swap out your phone if it’s to loud.  My phone is not doing this but 
there are examples on line if you want to try to hear the effect.

Hope that clears it up.

Thanks
Scott

 


> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> By now, I’m quite sure all y’all have heard of the latest with the iPhone7+.  
> It hisses at you when you push the unit very hard:  that is, according to 
> some.  After considering the matter, I have come to the conclusion that I 
> think I know what is or may be going on.  I tried this with my iPhone6+ and 
> got results that seem to confirm it.  Yes, I heard a hiss, but, I do not 
> believe it’s a problem with the phone.  My explanation is this.  If there is 
> a so-called “hiss” going on, it’s got to do with the distortion of air 
> movement as it passes between the opening of your ear and the smooth flat 
> back of your phone.  Consider what happens when you put a sea shell to your 
> ear.  You hear what you were told as a child is the sound of the ocean:  but 
> actually, it’s nothing more than the distortion of air as it passes between 
> the opening of the shell and the opening of your ear.  Just as light refracts 
> around objects causing shadows, so sound can refract in much the same way.  
> The poor sighted, who may not be used to this femoninon, are confused and 
> believe their iPhone7+’s hiss at them when the processers are pushed hard.  
> What say the rest of y’all concerning this explanation?  Remember, the 
> so-called bend Gate was dismissed after a while when it was proven not to be 
> so?  I rather expect that this so-called “hiss gate” will go much the same 
> way.  Yes, I have seen the youtube video and heard what sounded like a hiss:  
> but, I am convenced that what I heard was ambiant room noise.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: A few questions about IPod/IPhone hardware

[Singing Sparrow]

could that take and mess up how voiceover proforms? meanning that things 
would be backwards as to how they really should be for the voiceover 
jesturs?



On 9/19/2016 10:21 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
Rapidly pressing the home button 5 times only works when VoiceOver is 
running. It has been corrected (does not work) when VO is off. This 
means, it should never be done, in any circumstances. It is also the 
only method which ever corrupted data in my old iPhone. In other 
words, perform at your own risk. I do wish Apple would block it from 
when VO is running.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 20/09/2016, at 11:25, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> wrote:


OK, I am incredibly advanced of a IHardware user, but this, I 
willingly confess, I really don't know.
A friend of mine, who'll be left unnamed out of respect for them, and 
I were having a very very interesting conversation over Zello, and I 
thought I'd ask you guys in case someone up here knows the exacts.
So, first of all, what type processor is in the  IPod Touch 6th 
Generation?  Is it an A6, or maybe an A7, and am I correct in 
assuming that the IPod has a bit of a slower processor than the IPhone?
Secondly, I know about the keypress of pressing and holding the power 
and home key to do a complete reboot, and I also know about 
respringing the device by rapidly hitting the power button 5 times in 
very quick succession.  But, my question is, what behind the scenes 
is actually going on hardwarewise when you do those, and how do those 
two commands truly differ.  I mean, I get that respringing is 
basically just kind of like a reboot if you will, where the other is 
like a full power cycle, but specifically what are they literally 
doing back there?  Is one like a memory dump, or what literally 
happens?  And where would one use one over the other?  I know in 
either case they are mainly last resort things, especially the 
power/home, but I'm not asking if they should only be resorted as a 
last attempt.  I know that much.  I'm asking more the specific 
example scenareos of when one would be used over the other, and when 
done, what is actually then occuring.

Chris.
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Re: A few questions about IPod/IPhone hardware

[David Chittenden]

Rapidly pressing the home button 5 times only works when VoiceOver is running. 
It has been corrected (does not work) when VO is off. This means, it should 
never be done, in any circumstances. It is also the only method which ever 
corrupted data in my old iPhone. In other words, perform at your own risk. I do 
wish Apple would block it from when VO is running.

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Sent from my iPhone

> On 20/09/2016, at 11:25, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> OK, I am incredibly advanced of a IHardware user, but this, I willingly 
> confess, I really don't know.
>  
> A friend of mine, who'll be left unnamed out of respect for them, and I were 
> having a very very interesting conversation over Zello, and I thought I'd ask 
> you guys in case someone up here knows the exacts.
>  
> So, first of all, what type processor is in the  IPod Touch 6th Generation?  
> Is it an A6, or maybe an A7, and am I correct in assuming that the IPod has a 
> bit of a slower processor than the IPhone?
>  
> Secondly, I know about the keypress of pressing and holding the power and 
> home key to do a complete reboot, and I also know about respringing the 
> device by rapidly hitting the power button 5 times in very quick succession.  
> But, my question is, what behind the scenes is actually going on hardwarewise 
> when you do those, and how do those two commands truly differ.  I mean, I get 
> that respringing is basically just kind of like a reboot if you will, where 
> the other is like a full power cycle, but specifically what are they 
> literally doing back there?  Is one like a memory dump, or what literally 
> happens?  And where would one use one over the other?  I know in either case 
> they are mainly last resort things, especially the power/home, but I'm not 
> asking if they should only be resorted as a last attempt.  I know that much.  
> I'm asking more the specific example scenareos of when one would be used over 
> the other, and when done, what is actually then occuring.
>  
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I may have possible explanation for the so-called hiss gate

[Ray Foret jr]

By now, I’m quite sure all y’all have heard of the latest with the iPhone7+.  
It hisses at you when you push the unit very hard:  that is, according to some. 
 After considering the matter, I have come to the conclusion that I think I 
know what is or may be going on.  I tried this with my iPhone6+ and got results 
that seem to confirm it.  Yes, I heard a hiss, but, I do not believe it’s a 
problem with the phone.  My explanation is this.  If there is a so-called 
“hiss” going on, it’s got to do with the distortion of air movement as it 
passes between the opening of your ear and the smooth flat back of your phone.  
Consider what happens when you put a sea shell to your ear.  You hear what you 
were told as a child is the sound of the ocean:  but actually, it’s nothing 
more than the distortion of air as it passes between the opening of the shell 
and the opening of your ear.  Just as light refracts around objects causing 
shadows, so sound can refract in much the same way.  The poor sighted, who may 
not be used to this femoninon, are confused and believe their iPhone7+’s hiss 
at them when the processers are pushed hard.  What say the rest of y’all 
concerning this explanation?  Remember, the so-called bend Gate was dismissed 
after a while when it was proven not to be so?  I rather expect that this 
so-called “hiss gate” will go much the same way.  Yes, I have seen the youtube 
video and heard what sounded like a hiss:  but, I am convenced that what I 
heard was ambiant room noise.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
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Re: iMessages

[E.T.]

   Took a bit to find that setting but got it now, thanks much.

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On 9/19/2016 4:19 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I can't reproduce this either on an IPhone 6S, an IPhone 6, an IPhone 6+, 
nor an IPad Pro 12 inch.  Come to think of it, I even tried on my mom's IPad 
Air first generation, and wasn't able to reproduce there either.


Are you sure that you haven't possibly accidentally gone under 
Settings>Sound and somehow set your default alarm tone to "None?"  It's 
unlikely, I agree, but I'd still check, just in case.

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To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1


Hi Jeff,


I do not have that problem on my ipod touch 6th gen with ios 10.01.
Perhaps it is something with the phone?


Matthew




On 09/19/2016 11:13 AM, Jeff Berwick wrote:

Hi all,

I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
morning.


Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set 
and I think that causes a problem too.


Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
never submitted one before.


Thx,
Jeff




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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[sonar mate]

Hi Jeff,


I do not have that problem on my ipod touch 6th gen with ios 10.01.  
Perhaps it is something with the phone?



Matthew




On 09/19/2016 11:13 AM, Jeff Berwick wrote:

Hi all,

I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm app.  
Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this morning.

Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all when 
Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and I 
think that causes a problem too.

Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve never 
submitted one before.

Thx,
Jeff




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Teardowns Reveal Apple's Thinking on iPhone 7 Design

[-dan d.]

http://www.eweek.com/mobile/slideshows/chipworks-ifixit-teardowns-reveal-iphone-7s-inner-workings.html

XB

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Re: New IOS released, 10.0.1

[Singing Sparrow]

strange because my Ipod Touch is up on that version number. go figure.



On 9/19/2016 6:18 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Seems to be for the 7 only from what we can tell.

no other releases available on other platforms.


On Sep 19, 2016, at 6:59 PM, sonar mate  wrote:

Hi,


Is this only for the phones?  Just checked on my ipod tuch and it said I was 
update to date.  Thanks.


Matthew




On 09/18/2016 10:15 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update message 
appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice call quality, 
bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and other stability 
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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Scott is spot on, unless your ISP unit is configured to Bridge mode as in my 
case.  So, with the ISP router in Bridge mode, the Airport Extreme handles all 
the DHCP and Firewall stuff.  Any other devices are either set to extend or as 
a roaming extension depending on how you have things set up.  Anything that is 
connected to your ISP router with an ethernet cable can be configured to the 
same SSID, thus roaming kinds of interaction happens.  Devices that connect 
wirelessly, normally extend the network.

If you go into Airport Utility and check on the Status of your Time Capsules, 
you may be able to determine the issue.  So, in AU, access the Time Capsule, 
then interact with the Scroll area, there should be a Status table there that 
should note the issue.  I expect that it is likely a double NAT issue which 
Scott's suggestion will fix.

Later...

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On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:17, Scott Granados  wrote:

BY time capsule I assume you mean airport router?

Here’s how it should be set up, you should have your ISP router as the head end 
as you do now.  Next, you should set the airports in to bridging mode or as 
access points so you’re not using them to route.  Set the addresses assignment 
to dhcp for the local address for each so your main router can hand them 
addresses.  The big important part here is you make sure routing is disabled 
and they are transmitting your routers network and not forming their own.  Let 
me know if that helps any.  If you detail a bit more how things are connected I 
will be glad to be much more specific.

Thanks
Scott

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Today is my day for messages :)
> 
> I have two Time Capsules on my home network and one router from my internet 
> provider.  
> 
> In the extras bar, it says I have 4 of 4 bars, but my son says that they are 
> greyed out and that they have an exclamation mark.  I can ping through my 
> network all the way to the ISP’s modem, but can’t get anything outside my 
> home through ping or on the internet.  If I move closer to my older Time 
> Capsule, everything is fine; however, if I am using my newer Time Capsule, 
> this is when I get the problems.  So, I am pretty sure it is something with 
> my newer Time Capsule.
> 
> This is an intermittent problem.  Any networkers out there have any ideas on 
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> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
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A few questions about IPod/IPhone hardware

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, I am incredibly advanced of a IHardware user, but this, I willingly 
confess, I really don't know.

A friend of mine, who'll be left unnamed out of respect for them, and I were 
having a very very interesting conversation over Zello, and I thought I'd ask 
you guys in case someone up here knows the exacts.

So, first of all, what type processor is in the  IPod Touch 6th Generation?  Is 
it an A6, or maybe an A7, and am I correct in assuming that the IPod has a bit 
of a slower processor than the IPhone?

Secondly, I know about the keypress of pressing and holding the power and home 
key to do a complete reboot, and I also know about respringing the device by 
rapidly hitting the power button 5 times in very quick succession.  But, my 
question is, what behind the scenes is actually going on hardwarewise when you 
do those, and how do those two commands truly differ.  I mean, I get that 
respringing is basically just kind of like a reboot if you will, where the 
other is like a full power cycle, but specifically what are they literally 
doing back there?  Is one like a memory dump, or what literally happens?  And 
where would one use one over the other?  I know in either case they are mainly 
last resort things, especially the power/home, but I'm not asking if they 
should only be resorted as a last attempt.  I know that much.  I'm asking more 
the specific example scenareos of when one would be used over the other, and 
when done, what is actually then occuring.

Chris.

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Re: New IOS released, 10.0.1

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Hi,

As far as I can tell, it's only for the iPhone 7 which likely was sold with a 
earlier iteration of the iOS.  Those of us who updated on or after the public 
release last Tuesday already have 10.01.

Later...

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On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:18, Scott Granados  wrote:

Seems to be for the 7 only from what we can tell.

no other releases available on other platforms.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 6:59 PM, sonar mate  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> Is this only for the phones?  Just checked on my ipod tuch and it said I was 
> update to date.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/18/2016 10:15 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update message 
>> appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice call 
>> quality, bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and other 
>> stability improvements.  Sounds important for performance so update em if 
>> you got em.
>> 
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Re: iMessages

[Scott Granados]

Is your target using iMessage or is it traditional texting?  If iMessage it 
will appear on all 3, however, if it’s a traditional text message you need to 
enable text forwarding on your other machines.

Let me know if that helps at all.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 6:48 PM, E.T.  wrote:
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>   The iPhone running iOS 9.3.5 is my primary device for texting. iPad running 
> iOS 10.0.1 and Mac running El Cap is not getting the same texts though all 3 
> show one sender that I have not deleted. All 3 have the same settings, that 
> is, my phone number and email addresses. Is there something else I need to 
> do? Thanks.
> 
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Re: New IOS released, 10.0.1

[Scott Granados]

Seems to be for the 7 only from what we can tell.

no other releases available on other platforms.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 6:59 PM, sonar mate  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> Is this only for the phones?  Just checked on my ipod tuch and it said I was 
> update to date.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/18/2016 10:15 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update message 
>> appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice call 
>> quality, bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and other 
>> stability improvements.  Sounds important for performance so update em if 
>> you got em.
>> 
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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

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BY time capsule I assume you mean airport router?

Here’s how it should be set up, you should have your ISP router as the head end 
as you do now.  Next, you should set the airports in to bridging mode or as 
access points so you’re not using them to route.  Set the addresses assignment 
to dhcp for the local address for each so your main router can hand them 
addresses.  The big important part here is you make sure routing is disabled 
and they are transmitting your routers network and not forming their own.  Let 
me know if that helps any.  If you detail a bit more how things are connected I 
will be glad to be much more specific.

Thanks
Scott

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Today is my day for messages :)
> 
> I have two Time Capsules on my home network and one router from my internet 
> provider.  
> 
> In the extras bar, it says I have 4 of 4 bars, but my son says that they are 
> greyed out and that they have an exclamation mark.  I can ping through my 
> network all the way to the ISP’s modem, but can’t get anything outside my 
> home through ping or on the internet.  If I move closer to my older Time 
> Capsule, everything is fine; however, if I am using my newer Time Capsule, 
> this is when I get the problems.  So, I am pretty sure it is something with 
> my newer Time Capsule.
> 
> This is an intermittent problem.  Any networkers out there have any ideas on 
> how I can test/fix this issue?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
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Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi all,

Today is my day for messages :)

I have two Time Capsules on my home network and one router from my internet 
provider.  

In the extras bar, it says I have 4 of 4 bars, but my son says that they are 
greyed out and that they have an exclamation mark.  I can ping through my 
network all the way to the ISP’s modem, but can’t get anything outside my home 
through ping or on the internet.  If I move closer to my older Time Capsule, 
everything is fine; however, if I am using my newer Time Capsule, this is when 
I get the problems.  So, I am pretty sure it is something with my newer Time 
Capsule.

This is an intermittent problem.  Any networkers out there have any ideas on 
how I can test/fix this issue?

Thx,
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Re: New IOS released, 10.0.1

[sonar mate]

Hi,


Is this only for the phones?  Just checked on my ipod tuch and it said I 
was update to date.  Thanks.



Matthew




On 09/18/2016 10:15 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update message 
appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice call quality, 
bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and other stability 
improvements.  Sounds important for performance so update em if you got em.



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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[Jeff Berwick]

I appreciate your thorough testing.  I only have my one iPhone :( , and have 
run several tests.  The last test I ran seemed to be better, so here is hoping 
that tomorrow morning I wake up on time. :)

Basically, what was happening for me in my tests was that the alarm would turn 
on, then voiceover would say “Alarm” really loud and then the music was 
non-existent.  I wonder if this has anything to do with me using a custom alarm 
noise instead of the standard alarm sounds.

Anyway, let’s hope all is good.

Thanks,
Jeff

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 5:51 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Jeff,
> 
> Try as I may, I could not reproduce your findings.  
> 
> I ran over 10 tests using 4 iPhones running iOS 10.01.  I have enough vision 
> to use iPhone, for extremely short periods of time, without VoiceOver so was 
> able to perform simultaneous tests comparing the native Clock app volume 
> levels.  I ran the tests using 2 iPHone 6 Plus devices, an iPhone 5 S, and an 
> iPhone 6 S Plus.  One of the phones was purchased from A T & T Wireless, one 
> from Verizon Wireless, one from Sprint, and one from T-Mobile.
> 
> In each test, the volume level of the Alarm, was consistent, regardless of 
> whether VoiceOver was enabled or disabled.
> 
> Just so you know, I tested  with the Mute button enabled/disabled, and also 
> tested with the Do not Disturb feature enabled/disabled.
> 
> In all of my tests, the devices were set to alarm at the same time so it was 
> very easy for me to compare volume levels.  
> 
> Finally, it should be noted that I rebooted these devices several times and 
> ran tests without rebooting them.  In every scenario I setup, the Clock Alarm 
> performed just as expected, either with or without VoiceOver.
> 
> I really tried my best to locate your bug but, as far as I can tell, it does 
> not exist; at least, not that I could detect.
> 
> Happy Hunting,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:13 AM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
> morning.
> 
> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and 
> I think that causes a problem too.
> 
> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
> never submitted one before.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
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iPhone 7: How to force restart, enter Recovery Mode, and enter DFU mode

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iPhone 7: How to force restart, enter Recovery Mode, and enter DFU mode
9to5Mac  /  Jeff Benjamin


Since the Home button on iPhone 7 isn’t a mechanical button anymore, and is 
instead a capacitive solid-state button controlled by software, it’s no 
surprise that performing hard resets, entering recovery, and entering into DFU 
mode no longer works the same way on iPhone 7.

The good news is that you’ll only need to adopt a new button combination to 
perform each of these tasks. Have a look at our full video walkthrough, and 
we’ll show you how.

How to force restart iPhone 7

To force restart (hard reset) the iPhone 7, press and hold the Sleep/Wake 
button + Volume Down button for 10 seconds. Because of the Home button change, 
it’s been replaced by the Volume Down button during the process.

The side-effect to this method is that the Volume HUD appears on screen each 
time you wish to force restart the iPhone 7. Not a big deal, but not as 
“clean-looking” as in the past.

How to get into Recovery Mode on iPhone 7

Step 1: Connect your iPhone 7 to your Mac or PC with a Lightning to USB cable.

Step 2: Press and hold the Sleep/Wake button and the Volume Down button until 
the screen turns off. Continue holding the Sleep/Wake button + Volume Down 
button, even after you see the Apple logo appear.

Step 4: Release the Sleep/Wake + Volume Down button once you see the Connect to 
iTunes message appear on the iPhone 7’s screen.

Step 5: Launch iTunes, and you should see a message stating that “There is a 
problem with the iPhone that requires it to be updated or restored.”

Video tutorial



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How to get into DFU mode on iPhone 7

Getting into DFU mode, as you can probably guess, also requires a change.

Step 1: Connect your iPhone 7 to your Mac or PC with a Lightning to USB cable.

Step 2: Press and hold the Sleep/Wake button and the Volume Down button 
simultaneously for 10 seconds.

Step 3: Release the Sleep/Wake button while continuing to hold the Volume Down 
button for 10 additional seconds. Unlike Recovery Mode, which presents a 
Connect to iTunes message on the screen, the iPhone 7’s screen will remain 
blank while in DFU mode.

Step 4: Launch iTunes, and you should see a message stating that “iTunes has 
detected an iPhone in recovery mode. You must restore this iPhone before it can 
be used with iTunes.”



The Volume Down button takes on an additional role on iPhone 7

How to exit Recovery mode or DFU mode on iPhone 7

As long as there are no issues with your iPhone, getting out of Recovery Mode 
or DFU Mode is easy.

Step 1: Press and hold the Sleep/Wake button and the Volume Down button 
simultaneously until you see the Apple logo appear (or the connect to iTunes 
message disappear when in Recovery Mode). You iPhone should boot back to the 
Lock screen.

Although there is no longer a mechanical Home button on the latest iPhone, it’s 
still relatively easy to force restart, enter Recovery Mode, and enter DFU mode 
by strategically wielding the Volume Down button + Sleep/Wake button 
combination.

To learn more about the new iPhone 7, be sure to watch our Top iPhone 7 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
hope that I can get something in this time


On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r or the
> cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4 seconds.  As
> soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key combination.  Hold it down
> for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The wait is after the release.  If the
> cmd-r works, it's likely ready in about one minute if your Mini has an SSD
> and probably 2 to 3 minutes if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the
> cmd-option-r, which starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land,
> then the wait is usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no
> need to hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It will
>> usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's possible
>> though
>> that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.  In that case, use
>> cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up from the Internet.  It
>> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it some
>> extra
>> time.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all,
>> I'm trying to press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened,
>> no voice over at all.
>> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Yes, restart it please.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
>>> the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,

 That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.
 See
 what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long
 time
 between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID
 entry.
 Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress
 thing
 by
 now.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
 windows.


 On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
> that
> changes.
>
> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
> there
> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>
>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello:
>>
>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple
>> id.
>> Thanks allo for helping.
>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>> This happened after I signed in.
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>>> The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
 the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
 so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?

 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes,
> if
> your
> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
> specific
> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa
> 
> wrote:

Re: watch os 3 powering off

[Scott Granados]

What you do is press the button the same way and the pop up for the power off 
option will appear.  Stop holding then.  It’s a more than 3 second hold to call 
the authorities.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> So what are we to do if we do need to power off the watch and we can’t do it 
> because it calls the Emergency services?
>> On 19 Sep 2016, at 02:35, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Blind person is hit with taser by flight marshal on flight for using Apple 
>> watch.  That actually might get worse press than burning little children 
>> with samsung phones.:)
>> 
>> Just a note though, you can ignore that turning the power off thing, it’s 
>> total nonsense.  Myth Busters did an interesting demonstration of the 
>> nonsense factor.  I remember when I flew on Emirates Air we had cell phone 
>> service and internet during the whole flight.  On private flights as well I 
>> use my devices during before and after the entire flight.  Your phone won’t 
>> work above 10,000 feet although carriers are looking at changing that.  Some 
>> flights also have cell repeaters in them and T-Mobile provides free access 
>> to inflight WiFi.  There’s 0 risk to the flight though from your device.
>> 
>> Happy flying, try not to get on the no fly list.:)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can see it now. Me sitting on airplane. Please power off all electronics. 
>>> Me trying to power  off watch. Police show up. I end up on CNN.
>>> ggr
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Just so you know, if you need to test 911 services you can legally very 
 easily and the watch would qualify.
 
 What we do in the phone game if we’re going to test 911 on the service or 
 a new customer install which we have to do is dial 911 first, tell the 
 operator you’re testing some communications equipment for the next X 
 minutes and please do not dispatch the call or dedicate any time to them.  
 Then when you do the test you again say that you’re testing per your last 
 call, the test is successful and there will be no more testing.  Then they 
 put you back in to a normal state where they will respond.  Note *** Note 
 ***  Highly important, you can not call 911 and hang up first before 
 someone answers.  Your address and other data is still sent to the 911 
 operator and they will dispatch calling it a repeated 911 call with no 
 answer from X location.  You’ll have police show up guns drawn.  I learned 
 this one the hard way. Luckily I provided phone service to the sheriff’s 
 department in our county and they new me.:)  What you might also want to 
 do first is call the non emergency number for your local police and ask if 
 there’s a special procedure for testing E911 services.  If not just do 
 what I said above and you’ll be in the clear and won’t have any problems.  
 Also note that the SOS service does work around the world and the 
 replacement for 911 in the host country will automatically be selected, 
 999 for the UK and so forth.
 
 Happy dialing.
 
 
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
> > wrote:
> 
> Me neither!
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 1:49 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Don’t think so but could be wrong and no not trying it for the hell of 
>> it .
>>> On 15 Sep 2016, at 21:57, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is the SOS feature only for the US?  I’m buying my watch series 2 
>>> tomorrow and hope the watch is faster than the last Generation.  I’m 
>>> going to the Apple store and am going to hold my caine out to see if I 
>>> can get in front of the queue.
 On 14 Sep 2016, at 16:40, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Oh boy, what could possibly go wrong there.:)
 
 That sounds a little dicy to me.  “911, how may I help you?”  “I’m 
 sorry I was trying to power down my watch, no really I’m fine, nobody 
 is here, I’m just trying to reset my watch”  “Ok ok, I’ll open the 
 door and let the officer in to check” ;)
 
 As someone who has to test 911 calls for SIP phones from time to time 
 that’s a real eye opener when you dial 911 and think you hang up 
 before the call completes and 5 minutes later police are pulling up in 
 your parking lot looking for the guy calling 911. haha
 
 
> 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding sometimes.  
Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r or the cmd-option-r, 
you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4 seconds.  As soon as the Startup 
Chime sounds, press the key combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds 
and release.  The wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely 
ready in about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes 
if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which starts up 
from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is usually much longer 
before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to hold down the key combination 
for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It will
> usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's possible though
> that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.  In that case, use
> cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up from the Internet.  It
> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it some extra
> time.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all,
> I'm trying to press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened,
> no voice over at all.
> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
> 
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Yes, restart it please.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
>> the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.
>>> See
>>> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long
>>> time
>>> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.
>>> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing
>>> by
>>> now.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
>>> windows.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
 I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
 that
 changes.
 
 And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
 there
 but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
 
 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple
> id.
> Thanks allo for helping.
> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
> This happened after I signed in.
> 
> 
> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>> The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
>>> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
>>> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes,
 if
 your
 keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
 specific
 manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa
 
 wrote:
 
 Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system,
 I
 didn't get any response.
 so, what is the issue?
 
 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
> VO-f2-f2
> to
> bring up 

RE: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[M. Taylor]

Jeff,

Try as I may, I could not reproduce your findings.  

I ran over 10 tests using 4 iPhones running iOS 10.01.  I have enough vision to 
use iPhone, for extremely short periods of time, without VoiceOver so was able 
to perform simultaneous tests comparing the native Clock app volume levels.  I 
ran the tests using 2 iPHone 6 Plus devices, an iPhone 5 S, and an iPhone 6 S 
Plus.  One of the phones was purchased from A T & T Wireless, one from Verizon 
Wireless, one from Sprint, and one from T-Mobile.

In each test, the volume level of the Alarm, was consistent, regardless of 
whether VoiceOver was enabled or disabled.

Just so you know, I tested  with the Mute button enabled/disabled, and also 
tested with the Do not Disturb feature enabled/disabled.

In all of my tests, the devices were set to alarm at the same time so it was 
very easy for me to compare volume levels.  

Finally, it should be noted that I rebooted these devices several times and ran 
tests without rebooting them.  In every scenario I setup, the Clock Alarm 
performed just as expected, either with or without VoiceOver.

I really tried my best to locate your bug but, as far as I can tell, it does 
not exist; at least, not that I could detect.

Happy Hunting,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:13 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

Hi all,

I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm app.  
Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this morning.

Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all when 
Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and I 
think that causes a problem too.

Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve never 
submitted one before.

Thx,
Jeff


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Re: watch os 3 powering off

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

So what are we to do if we do need to power off the watch and we can’t do it 
because it calls the Emergency services?
> On 19 Sep 2016, at 02:35, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Blind person is hit with taser by flight marshal on flight for using Apple 
> watch.  That actually might get worse press than burning little children with 
> samsung phones.:)
> 
> Just a note though, you can ignore that turning the power off thing, it’s 
> total nonsense.  Myth Busters did an interesting demonstration of the 
> nonsense factor.  I remember when I flew on Emirates Air we had cell phone 
> service and internet during the whole flight.  On private flights as well I 
> use my devices during before and after the entire flight.  Your phone won’t 
> work above 10,000 feet although carriers are looking at changing that.  Some 
> flights also have cell repeaters in them and T-Mobile provides free access to 
> inflight WiFi.  There’s 0 risk to the flight though from your device.
> 
> Happy flying, try not to get on the no fly list.:)
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I can see it now. Me sitting on airplane. Please power off all electronics. 
>> Me trying to power  off watch. Police show up. I end up on CNN.
>> ggr
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just so you know, if you need to test 911 services you can legally very 
>>> easily and the watch would qualify.
>>> 
>>> What we do in the phone game if we’re going to test 911 on the service or a 
>>> new customer install which we have to do is dial 911 first, tell the 
>>> operator you’re testing some communications equipment for the next X 
>>> minutes and please do not dispatch the call or dedicate any time to them.  
>>> Then when you do the test you again say that you’re testing per your last 
>>> call, the test is successful and there will be no more testing.  Then they 
>>> put you back in to a normal state where they will respond.  Note *** Note 
>>> ***  Highly important, you can not call 911 and hang up first before 
>>> someone answers.  Your address and other data is still sent to the 911 
>>> operator and they will dispatch calling it a repeated 911 call with no 
>>> answer from X location.  You’ll have police show up guns drawn.  I learned 
>>> this one the hard way. Luckily I provided phone service to the sheriff’s 
>>> department in our county and they new me.:)  What you might also want to do 
>>> first is call the non emergency number for your local police and ask if 
>>> there’s a special procedure for testing E911 services.  If not just do what 
>>> I said above and you’ll be in the clear and won’t have any problems.  Also 
>>> note that the SOS service does work around the world and the replacement 
>>> for 911 in the host country will automatically be selected, 999 for the UK 
>>> and so forth.
>>> 
>>> Happy dialing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
  wrote:
 
 Me neither!
> On Sep 17, 2016, at 1:49 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don’t think so but could be wrong and no not trying it for the hell of it 
> .
>> On 15 Sep 2016, at 21:57, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Is the SOS feature only for the US?  I’m buying my watch series 2 
>> tomorrow and hope the watch is faster than the last Generation.  I’m 
>> going to the Apple store and am going to hold my caine out to see if I 
>> can get in front of the queue.
>>> On 14 Sep 2016, at 16:40, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh boy, what could possibly go wrong there.:)
>>> 
>>> That sounds a little dicy to me.  “911, how may I help you?”  “I’m 
>>> sorry I was trying to power down my watch, no really I’m fine, nobody 
>>> is here, I’m just trying to reset my watch”  “Ok ok, I’ll open the door 
>>> and let the officer in to check” ;)
>>> 
>>> As someone who has to test 911 calls for SIP phones from time to time 
>>> that’s a real eye opener when you dial 911 and think you hang up before 
>>> the call completes and 5 minutes later police are pulling up in your 
>>> parking lot looking for the guy calling 911. haha
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
 
 Hi Sarai, you press it long enough to invoke the power off screen, but 
 not so long that it invokes the SOS function.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
> On 15/09/2016, at 3:07 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> I know the long press of friends button use to power off the watch, 
> and now it 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It will
> usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's possible though
> that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.  In that case, use
> cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up from the Internet.  It
> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it some extra
> time.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all,
> I'm trying to press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened,
> no voice over at all.
> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Yes, restart it please.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
>> the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.
>>> See
>>> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long
>>> time
>>> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.
>>> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing
>>> by
>>> now.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
>>> windows.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
 I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
 that
 changes.

 And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
 there
 but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.


> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
>
> Hello:
>
> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple
> id.
> Thanks allo for helping.
> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
> This happened after I signed in.
>
>
> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>> The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
>>> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
>>> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,

 Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes,
 if
 your
 keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
 specific
 manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa
 
 wrote:

 Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system,
 I
 didn't get any response.
 so, what is the issue?

 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
> VO-f2-f2
> to
> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting
> for
> your
> password.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa
> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi sir Scotte:
> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore,
> progress
> bar
> busy.
> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
> this
> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
> so what shall I do?
>
> I'm connected to the internet.
> Thanks
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you
>> named
>> your
>> 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It will usually 
take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's possible though that your 
system got corrupt in the last attempt.  In that case, use cmd-option-r 
instead.  This will start your Mac up from the Internet.  It may take longer 
for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it some extra time.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all,
I'm trying to press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened,
no voice over at all.
after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Yes, restart it please.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
> the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?
> 
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.
>> See
>> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long
>> time
>> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.
>> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing
>> by
>> now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
>> windows.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
>>> that
>>> changes.
>>> 
>>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
>>> there
>>> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:
 
 Hello:
 
 ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
 Thanks allo for helping.
 now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
 vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
 This happened after I signed in.
 
 
 On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
> The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
>> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
>> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes,
>>> if
>>> your
>>> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
>>> specific
>>> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
>>> didn't get any response.
>>> so, what is the issue?
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
 VO-f2-f2
 to
 bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting
 for
 your
 password.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa
 
 wrote:
 
 Hi sir Scotte:
 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore,
 progress
 bar
 busy.
 I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
 this
 is the message that I got for 3 hours.
 so what shall I do?
 
 I'm connected to the internet.
 Thanks
 
 
 On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you
> named
> your
> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
> 
> Should be good to go.
> 
> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if
> the
> disk
> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
> above
> is
> the 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all,
I'm trying to press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened,
no voice over at all.
after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Yes, restart it please.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
> the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.
>> See
>> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long
>> time
>> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.
>> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing
>> by
>> now.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
>> windows.
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
>>> that
>>> changes.
>>>
>>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
>>> there
>>> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 Hello:

 ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
 Thanks allo for helping.
 now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
 vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
 This happened after I signed in.


 On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>  The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
>> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
>> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes,
>>> if
>>> your
>>> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
>>> specific
>>> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
>>> didn't get any response.
>>> so, what is the issue?
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,

 It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
 VO-f2-f2
 to
 bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting
 for
 your
 password.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa
 
 wrote:

 Hi sir Scotte:
 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore,
 progress
 bar
 busy.
 I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
 this
 is the message that I got for 3 hours.
 so what shall I do?

 I'm connected to the internet.
 Thanks


 On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you
> named
> your
> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>
> Should be good to go.
>
> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if
> the
> disk
> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
> above
> is
> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Scott.
>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose
>> reinstalling
>> OS
>> or
>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's
>> D
>> if
>> I
>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean
>> in

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Yes, restart it please.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.  See
> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long time
> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.
> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing by
> now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
> windows.
> 
> 
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
>> that
>> changes.
>> 
>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
>> there
>> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello:
>>> 
>>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
>>> Thanks allo for helping.
>>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
>>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>>> This happened after I signed in.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
  The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
> 
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if
>> your
>> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
>> specific
>> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
>> didn't get any response.
>> so, what is the issue?
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
>>> VO-f2-f2
>>> to
>>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting
>>> for
>>> your
>>> password.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi sir Scotte:
>>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore,
>>> progress
>>> bar
>>> busy.
>>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
>>> this
>>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>>> so what shall I do?
>>> 
>>> I'm connected to the internet.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
 Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named
 your
 volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
 
 Should be good to go.
 
 Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if
 the
 disk
 isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
 above
 is
 the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
 
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Scott.
> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose
> reinstalling
> OS
> or
> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's
> D
> if
> I
> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
> the
> store.thank you
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.  See
> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long time
> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.
> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing by
> now.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
> windows.
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
>> that
>> changes.
>>
>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
>> there
>> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
>>> Thanks allo for helping.
>>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
>>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>>> This happened after I signed in.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
   The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if
>> your
>> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
>> specific
>> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
>> didn't get any response.
>> so, what is the issue?
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
>>> VO-f2-f2
>>> to
>>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting
>>> for
>>> your
>>> password.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi sir Scotte:
>>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore,
>>> progress
>>> bar
>>> busy.
>>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
>>> this
>>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>>> so what shall I do?
>>>
>>> I'm connected to the internet.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
 Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named
 your
 volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.

 Should be good to go.

 Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if
 the
 disk
 isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
 above
 is
 the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
> 
> wrote:
>
> Thank you Scott.
> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose
> reinstalling
> OS
> or
> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's
> D
> if
> I
> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
> the
> store.thank you
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>
>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs
>> or
>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>>

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.  See 
what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long time 
between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.  
Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing by now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no windows.


On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if that
> changes.
> 
> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and there
> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> 
>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
>> Thanks allo for helping.
>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>> This happened after I signed in.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>>>   The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
 the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
 so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
 
 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if
> your
> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
> specific
> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
> didn't get any response.
> so, what is the issue?
> 
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
>> VO-f2-f2
>> to
>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
>> your
>> password.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi sir Scotte:
>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress
>> bar
>> busy.
>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
>> this
>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>> so what shall I do?
>> 
>> I'm connected to the internet.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named
>>> your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>> 
>>> Should be good to go.
>>> 
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if
>>> the
>>> disk
>>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
>>> above
>>> is
>>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling
 OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D
 if
 I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
 the
 store.thank you
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs
> or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
> 
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll
> use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
> forward.
> 
> 
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no windows.


On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if that
> changes.
>
> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and there
> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>
>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello:
>>
>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
>> Thanks allo for helping.
>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>> This happened after I signed in.
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>>>The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
 the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
 so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?

 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if
> your
> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
> specific
> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
>
> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
> didn't get any response.
> so, what is the issue?
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
>> VO-f2-f2
>> to
>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
>> your
>> password.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi sir Scotte:
>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress
>> bar
>> busy.
>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
>> this
>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>> so what shall I do?
>>
>> I'm connected to the internet.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named
>>> your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>>
>>> Should be good to go.
>>>
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if
>>> the
>>> disk
>>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
>>> above
>>> is
>>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 
 wrote:

 Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling
 OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D
 if
 I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
 the
 store.thank you

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:

> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs
> or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll
> use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
> forward.
>
>
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I
>> download
>> his
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>> Thank
>> you so much.
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Scott Granados]

I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if that 
changes.

And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and there but 
we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.


> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
> Thanks allo for helping.
> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
> This happened after I signed in.
> 
> 
> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>>The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
>>> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
>>> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if
 your
 keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific
 manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:
 
 Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
 didn't get any response.
 so, what is the issue?
 
 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2
> to
> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
> your
> password.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi sir Scotte:
> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress
> bar
> busy.
> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
> so what shall I do?
> 
> I'm connected to the internet.
> Thanks
> 
> 
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named
>> your
>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>> 
>> Should be good to go.
>> 
>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>> disk
>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above
>> is
>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Scott.
>>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling
>>> OS
>>> or
>>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D
>>> if
>>> I
>>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
>>> the
>>> store.thank you
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
 install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
 partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
 
 Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll
 use
 your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
 forward.
 
 
 Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Sir Scott
> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
> his
> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
> Thank
> you so much.
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>> available during the entire 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello:

ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
Thanks allo for helping.
now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
This happened after I signed in.


On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
> The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
>> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
>> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if
>>> your
>>> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific
>>> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
>>> didn't get any response.
>>> so, what is the issue?
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,

 It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2
 to
 bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
 your
 password.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 Hi sir Scotte:
 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress
 bar
 busy.
 I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
 is the message that I got for 3 hours.
 so what shall I do?

 I'm connected to the internet.
 Thanks


 On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named
> your
> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>
> Should be good to go.
>
> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
> disk
> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above
> is
> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Scott.
>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling
>> OS
>> or
>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D
>> if
>> I
>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
>> the
>> store.thank you
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
>>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
>>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>>>
>>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll
>>> use
>>> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
>>> forward.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>>>
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 > wrote:

 Hello Sir Scott
 Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
 his
 assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
 Thank
 you so much.

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:

> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
> available during the entire install process.  You can activate
> voice
> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
> Remember
> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
> always
> happen)
>
> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[E.T.]

  Sorry wrong keyboard. Its actually above the forward delete key above 
the arrow keys.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if your
keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific
manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
didn't get any response.
so, what is the issue?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2
to
bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
your
password.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
wrote:

Hi sir Scotte:
3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
busy.
I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
is the message that I got for 3 hours.
so what shall I do?

I'm connected to the internet.
Thanks


On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:

Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.

Should be good to go.

Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
disk
isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above
is
the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.



On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
wrote:

Thank you Scott.
But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
or
the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
I
choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
store.thank you

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:


If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.

Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
forward.


Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.


On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > wrote:

Hello Sir Scott
Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
his
assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
Thank
you so much.

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:


Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
Remember
once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
always
happen)

To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.

On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
> wrote:

Hello all  people
I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
if
there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
will
VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[E.T.]

   The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
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On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if your
keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific
manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
didn't get any response.
so, what is the issue?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2
to
bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
your
password.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
wrote:

Hi sir Scotte:
3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
busy.
I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
is the message that I got for 3 hours.
so what shall I do?

I'm connected to the internet.
Thanks


On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:

Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.

Should be good to go.

Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
disk
isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above
is
the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.



On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
wrote:

Thank you Scott.
But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
or
the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
I
choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
store.thank you

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:


If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.

Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
forward.


Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.


On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > wrote:

Hello Sir Scott
Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
his
assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
Thank
you so much.

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:


Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
Remember
once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
always
happen)

To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.

On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
> wrote:

Hello all  people
I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
if
there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
will
VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes it does have the FN key.  It's located where the Insert key usually is on a 
Windows keyboard.  So, the top left of the group of six keys where the Home, 
End, Page Up, Page Down and Forward Delete, just above the Forward Delete key.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:11, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if your
> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific
> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
> didn't get any response.
> so, what is the issue?
> 
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2
>> to
>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
>> your
>> password.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi sir Scotte:
>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
>> busy.
>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>> so what shall I do?
>> 
>> I'm connected to the internet.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>> 
>>> Should be good to go.
>>> 
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>>> disk
>>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above
>>> is
>>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
 I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
 store.thank you
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
> 
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
> forward.
> 
> 
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
>> his
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>> Thank
>> you so much.
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>>> Remember
>>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
>>> always
>>> happen)
>>> 
>>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 > wrote:
 
 Hello all  people
 I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
 if
 there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
 will
 VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 Musicc instructor at:
 faculty of musical education

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if your
> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific
> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
> didn't get any response.
> so, what is the issue?
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2
>> to
>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
>> your
>> password.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi sir Scotte:
>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
>> busy.
>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>> so what shall I do?
>>
>> I'm connected to the internet.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>>
>>> Should be good to go.
>>>
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>>> disk
>>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above
>>> is
>>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
 I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
 store.thank you

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:

> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
> forward.
>
>
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
>> his
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>> Thank
>> you so much.
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>>> Remember
>>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
>>> always
>>> happen)
>>>
>>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 > wrote:

 Hello all  people
 I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
 if
 there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
 will
 VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance

 Ramy moustafa saber
 Musicc instructor at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if your 
keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific 
manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
didn't get any response.
so, what is the issue?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2 to
> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for your
> password.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi sir Scotte:
> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
> busy.
> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
> so what shall I do?
> 
> I'm connected to the internet.
> Thanks
> 
> 
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>> 
>> Should be good to go.
>> 
>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>> disk
>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is
>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Scott.
>>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
>>> or
>>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I
>>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
>>> store.thank you
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
 install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
 partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
 
 Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
 your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.
 
 
 Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Sir Scott
> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his
> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
> Thank
> you so much.
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>> Remember
>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
>> always
>> happen)
>> 
>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all  people
>>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
>>> if
>>> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
>>> will
>>> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

The voiceover is working sir

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Try command F5 and see if Voice over restarts, sounds like it might have 
> turned off during the process.
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
>> didn't get any response.
>> so, what is the issue?
>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2 to
>>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for your
>>> password.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi sir Scotte:
>>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
>>> busy.
>>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
>>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>>> so what shall I do?
>>> 
>>> I'm connected to the internet.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
 On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
 Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
 volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
 
 Should be good to go.
 
 Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
 disk
 isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is
 the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
 
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Scott.
> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
> or
> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I
> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
> store.thank you
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>> 
>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
>> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.
>> 
>> 
>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Sir Scott
>>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his
>>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>>> Thank
>>> you so much.
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
 available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
 over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
 Remember
 once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
 command F5 again will reactivate with out issue. (this does not
 always
 happen)
 
 To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hello all  people
> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
> if
> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
> will
> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> Musicc instructor at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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> 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Scott Granados]

Try command F5 and see if Voice over restarts, sounds like it might have turned 
off during the process.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
> didn't get any response.
> so, what is the issue?
> 
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2 to
>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for your
>> password.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi sir Scotte:
>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
>> busy.
>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>> so what shall I do?
>> 
>> I'm connected to the internet.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>> 
>>> Should be good to go.
>>> 
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>>> disk
>>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is
>>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
 store.thank you
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >> wrote:
 
> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
> 
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.
> 
> 
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > 
>> >> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>> Thank
>> you so much.
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > 
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>>> Remember
>>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue. (this does not
>>> always
>>> happen)
>>> 
>>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 
 >> 
 wrote:
 
 Hello all  people
 I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
 if
 there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
 will
 VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 Musicc instructor at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
didn't get any response.
so, what is the issue?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2 to
> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for your
> password.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Hi sir Scotte:
> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
> busy.
> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
> so what shall I do?
>
> I'm connected to the internet.
> Thanks
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>
>> Should be good to go.
>>
>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>> disk
>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is
>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Scott.
>>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
>>> or
>>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I
>>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
>>> store.thank you
>>>
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>>
 If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
 install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
 partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.

 Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
 your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.


 Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
>
> Hello Sir Scott
> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his
> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
> Thank
> you so much.
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>
>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>> Remember
>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
>> always
>> happen)
>>
>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all  people
>>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
>>> if
>>> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
>>> will
>>> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok and keeping your heads down

[Kliphton Miller]

Hey Ricardo, it’s been a while.  Good to see you alive and kicking.  Email me 
off list so we can face time audio or text.
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I think its hard to gage a president while still in office. Often, the things 
> they do or don’t do aren’t noticeable for years after they’ve left the post.
> 
> In Obama’s case, I would hardly say he took over with every thing smelling 
> like roses. lol. Like in the case of George W. Bush, 9-11 landed in his lap, 
> and he didn’t have the hype of the dot come boom to dease him a long like 
> Clinton did.
> 
> In short, I think Presidents are often judged way too harshly, or put on too 
> high a pedestal, like Reagan in my opinion. lol.
> 
> In my opinion, the best or worse a president  can do is keep us in or out of 
> war, depending on the situation. Every thing else, especially domestically? 
> Has to do with which side of the isle is running congress at the time, and 
> how obstructionist, or helpful they are in pushing through the presidents 
> agenda.
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Jimmy Carter absolutely sucked as a president.  He had one one of the 
>> highest inflation periods, completely screwed up the middle east and is a 
>> much better former president than president.  Only Obama is worse at this 
>> point.  He did a lot of good (carter that is) though post presidency with 
>> things like habitat for humanity.
>> 
>> Hillary is a criminal, liar and a gun grabbing fraud.  At least people will 
>> work under trump and we’ll get out of this imbalanced trade situation.  I 
>> like none of the major candidates to be clear I was hoping for Gary Johnson 
>> but Hillary and her ilk are the same mindset as the jack asses in England 
>> who wanted to subjugate the british people to the will of the Germans.  And 
>> we won’t talk about the uranium that Hillary stole from America and gave to 
>> Russia do to foundation donations and or the sale of political and 
>> government positions through the same foundation.  No thank you.
>> 
>> We’re screwed either way, I think that’s the only way to look at it.  I 
>> would just rather the clintons not get rich over the screw job any more.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Andy  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey, of course he will go on another wild rant because he actually doesn't 
>>> want the job!
>>> 
>>> That is what most of us over here believe.
>>> 
>>> So what are you left with?  Hilary?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As a blind Scottish guy I don't really know or understand much about 
>>> American politics, but I really did like Jimmy Carter!  I Know I still like 
>>> him if he's still doing all that voluntary work.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As for Donald:  Give up an empire to become the president of the USA.  
>>> Don't think so.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Very best wishes and kind regards
>>> Andy Logue.
>>> From Scotland with love.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "E.T." 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are 
>>> ok and keeping your heads down
>>> 
>>> 
 Don't let Donald Trump hear about this for he will surely go on
 another wild rant.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 9/19/2016 9:11 AM, Andy wrote:
> well done the Police department.
> 
> They have already got one guy.  I bet he is the only one.
> 
> Yet another terrible incident  hurting ordinary people, but it didn't
> take long to grab him.
> 
> Well done again the NYC Police department.
> 
> 
> Very best wishes and kind regards
> Andy Logue.
> From Scotland with love.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: "MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via" 
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:28 PM
> Subject: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are
> ok and keeping your heads down
> 
> 
>> Know we have a lot of people from that part of the world.  Sounds like
>> a dicy situation there.  Hope you all stay safe and they catch
>> everyone involved quickly, seems so at this point.  Good luck there
>> and be careful.
>> 
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Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok and keeping your heads down

[Scott Granados]

Ricardo, put very well and a lot more articulate than me.  I agree with you.

In the end though by that bench mark they all failed.  The war thing has been a 
problem for a long long time.

You have said it well though.

And btw buddy, watch your backside down there in the big city.  I’m not sure 
how far that was from you but I remember thinking when I saw it hoping you were 
doing ok.  I suppose it’s probably a bit like when I lived in California my 
mother would call me and ask if I was ok if anything happened in the state and 
inevitably it was always 800 miles away or something:) but still was hoping you 
stay safe.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I think its hard to gage a president while still in office. Often, the things 
> they do or don’t do aren’t noticeable for years after they’ve left the post.
> 
> In Obama’s case, I would hardly say he took over with every thing smelling 
> like roses. lol. Like in the case of George W. Bush, 9-11 landed in his lap, 
> and he didn’t have the hype of the dot come boom to dease him a long like 
> Clinton did.
> 
> In short, I think Presidents are often judged way too harshly, or put on too 
> high a pedestal, like Reagan in my opinion. lol.
> 
> In my opinion, the best or worse a president  can do is keep us in or out of 
> war, depending on the situation. Every thing else, especially domestically? 
> Has to do with which side of the isle is running congress at the time, and 
> how obstructionist, or helpful they are in pushing through the presidents 
> agenda.
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Jimmy Carter absolutely sucked as a president.  He had one one of the 
>> highest inflation periods, completely screwed up the middle east and is a 
>> much better former president than president.  Only Obama is worse at this 
>> point.  He did a lot of good (carter that is) though post presidency with 
>> things like habitat for humanity.
>> 
>> Hillary is a criminal, liar and a gun grabbing fraud.  At least people will 
>> work under trump and we’ll get out of this imbalanced trade situation.  I 
>> like none of the major candidates to be clear I was hoping for Gary Johnson 
>> but Hillary and her ilk are the same mindset as the jack asses in England 
>> who wanted to subjugate the british people to the will of the Germans.  And 
>> we won’t talk about the uranium that Hillary stole from America and gave to 
>> Russia do to foundation donations and or the sale of political and 
>> government positions through the same foundation.  No thank you.
>> 
>> We’re screwed either way, I think that’s the only way to look at it.  I 
>> would just rather the clintons not get rich over the screw job any more.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Andy  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey, of course he will go on another wild rant because he actually doesn't 
>>> want the job!
>>> 
>>> That is what most of us over here believe.
>>> 
>>> So what are you left with?  Hilary?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As a blind Scottish guy I don't really know or understand much about 
>>> American politics, but I really did like Jimmy Carter!  I Know I still like 
>>> him if he's still doing all that voluntary work.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As for Donald:  Give up an empire to become the president of the USA.  
>>> Don't think so.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Very best wishes and kind regards
>>> Andy Logue.
>>> From Scotland with love.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "E.T." 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are 
>>> ok and keeping your heads down
>>> 
>>> 
 Don't let Donald Trump hear about this for he will surely go on
 another wild rant.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 9/19/2016 9:11 AM, Andy wrote:
> well done the Police department.
> 
> They have already got one guy.  I bet he is the only one.
> 
> Yet another terrible incident  hurting ordinary people, but it didn't
> take long to grab him.
> 
> Well done again the NYC Police department.
> 
> 
> Very best wishes and kind regards
> Andy Logue.
> From Scotland with love.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: "MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via" 
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:28 PM
> Subject: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are
> ok and keeping your heads down
> 
> 
>> Know we have a lot of people from that part of the world.  Sounds like
>> a dicy situation there.  Hope you all stay safe and they catch
>> everyone involved quickly, seems so at this point.  Good luck there
>> and 

Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok and keeping your heads down

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi Scott,

I think its hard to gage a president while still in office. Often, the things 
they do or don’t do aren’t noticeable for years after they’ve left the post.

In Obama’s case, I would hardly say he took over with every thing smelling like 
roses. lol. Like in the case of George W. Bush, 9-11 landed in his lap, and he 
didn’t have the hype of the dot come boom to dease him a long like Clinton did.

In short, I think Presidents are often judged way too harshly, or put on too 
high a pedestal, like Reagan in my opinion. lol.

In my opinion, the best or worse a president  can do is keep us in or out of 
war, depending on the situation. Every thing else, especially domestically? Has 
to do with which side of the isle is running congress at the time, and how 
obstructionist, or helpful they are in pushing through the presidents agenda.
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Jimmy Carter absolutely sucked as a president.  He had one one of the highest 
> inflation periods, completely screwed up the middle east and is a much better 
> former president than president.  Only Obama is worse at this point.  He did 
> a lot of good (carter that is) though post presidency with things like 
> habitat for humanity.
> 
> Hillary is a criminal, liar and a gun grabbing fraud.  At least people will 
> work under trump and we’ll get out of this imbalanced trade situation.  I 
> like none of the major candidates to be clear I was hoping for Gary Johnson 
> but Hillary and her ilk are the same mindset as the jack asses in England who 
> wanted to subjugate the british people to the will of the Germans.  And we 
> won’t talk about the uranium that Hillary stole from America and gave to 
> Russia do to foundation donations and or the sale of political and government 
> positions through the same foundation.  No thank you.
> 
> We’re screwed either way, I think that’s the only way to look at it.  I would 
> just rather the clintons not get rich over the screw job any more.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Andy  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, of course he will go on another wild rant because he actually doesn't 
>> want the job!
>> 
>> That is what most of us over here believe.
>> 
>> So what are you left with?  Hilary?
>> 
>> 
>> As a blind Scottish guy I don't really know or understand much about 
>> American politics, but I really did like Jimmy Carter!  I Know I still like 
>> him if he's still doing all that voluntary work.
>> 
>> 
>> As for Donald:  Give up an empire to become the president of the USA.  Don't 
>> think so.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Very best wishes and kind regards
>> Andy Logue.
>> From Scotland with love.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "E.T." 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are 
>> ok and keeping your heads down
>> 
>> 
>>>  Don't let Donald Trump hear about this for he will surely go on
>>> another wild rant.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/2016 9:11 AM, Andy wrote:
 well done the Police department.
 
 They have already got one guy.  I bet he is the only one.
 
 Yet another terrible incident  hurting ordinary people, but it didn't
 take long to grab him.
 
 Well done again the NYC Police department.
 
 
 Very best wishes and kind regards
 Andy Logue.
 From Scotland with love.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
 To: "MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via" 
 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:28 PM
 Subject: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are
 ok and keeping your heads down
 
 
> Know we have a lot of people from that part of the world.  Sounds like
> a dicy situation there.  Hope you all stay safe and they catch
> everyone involved quickly, seems so at this point.  Good luck there
> and be careful.
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Re: possible bug in watch OS 3

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I tested it today and find the same thing.
Wonder why.
/A
> On 19 Sep 2016, at 03:17, Brett C.  wrote:
> 
> Yes, same thing here. I’m glad you brought it up, I noticed it the other day.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, using the original watch, OS3 download.
>> 
>> I have the modular face set and in the bottom middle complication I have the 
>> battery level set.  This battery level reads correctly. If you flick up to 
>> the control center and one I think it is to the right of connected by iPhone 
>> there’s another battery reading.  This reads a totally different number.  If 
>> my complication reading says 100% the one on the control center reads 55.  
>> If I have a 60% reading on the complication the control center says 93.  
>> Seems to be stuck on 93 now.  Anyone else seeing these differences?  not 
>> major but odd.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
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Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
As long as i don’t need to use contracted braille i am good to go.
/A
> On 19 Sep 2016, at 02:05, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Sure, please use english braille. I am not intelligent enough to have learned 
> other languages.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 19/09/2016, at 10:42, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi David!
>> Thanks for that very good explanation.
>> Now i want to give the braille input another chance.
>> I hope you’re are willing to help if i need some.
>> I don’t use contracted braille as we don’t have that in Swedish anymore.
>> /A
>>> On 17 Sep 2016, at 23:59, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I use braille screen input all the time, for just about everything.
>>> 
>>> I started teaching myself when it first came out. Back then, I worked with 
>>> it every day, several times per day, and could not get it reliably or 
>>> consistently for about a week. In other words, as with everything else 
>>> which is new, be patient with yourself, accept you are going to get it 
>>> wrong, and keep trying.
>>> 
>>> Dot calibration is your friend. Dot calibration moves the centre of each 
>>> dot under the middle of the particular finqer. On the iPhone, it requires 
>>> between about a quarter second and half of a second between the right hand 
>>> and the left hand. If you try dot calibration and iOS gives you 4 5 6 l, 
>>> you are pausing too long between the two hands. If, on the other hand, it 
>>> gives any combination of symbols with 4 or 5 dots in it, you are tapping 
>>> too quick between your left and right hands.
>>> 
>>> Why should I do dot calibration? It seems unfair. Well, you are blind. This 
>>> means, it is virtually impossible for you to put your fingers in the same 
>>> spots on the iDevice. As for how unfair it is, get over yourself. I perform 
>>> dot calibration every time I start writing. It takes about half a second, 
>>> and my writing is excellent, every time. Note: on the iPad, dot calibration 
>>> is different. for that device, tap with all 6 or 8 fingers (depending on 
>>> which braille input you are using. The first tap is followed by a second 
>>> tap which is within 1/4 to 1/2 second.
>>> 
>>> Brailling feels strange on the iPhone. It is different because one is not 
>>> touching the keys all the time. So, one's fingers tend to drift, which 
>>> eventually causes one to press incorrect dots with one or more fingers. At 
>>> this point, dot calibration is your friend again. It will realign the dots 
>>> to your fingers. Again, you are blind, so cannot realign your fingers to 
>>> the visible dots on the screen, so get over yourself.
>>> 
>>> I prefer away mode. I find that it is easier to keep my fingers in the same 
>>> positions on the screen when I am holding the iPhone with my thumbs on one 
>>> edge and my pinkys on the other edge. With the iPad, either mode works for 
>>> me. That said, When using the iPad in table-top mode, I touch the bottom 
>>> edge of the iPad with both thumbs to keep my fingers in the same locations 
>>> on the screen.
>>> 
>>> Listen to what VO is saying about what is being typed. This will help you 
>>> to understand what you are doing wrong. Braille Screen Input is as stable 
>>> as performing VO gestures, so you are the one making the errors. again, get 
>>> over yourself and build your skills. It is an excellent method of data 
>>> entry which does not require any other equipment, so can be used on the fly 
>>> / at a second's notice. And, one does not need to be concerned with 
>>> charging or pairing keyboards; not to mention the need to find an available 
>>> surface to write on.
>>> 
>>> Now, whilst learning, if you continue making the same errors, write down 
>>> what VO keeps saying you are intering, and I will attempt to figure out 
>>> what you are doing wrong. Please work in 6 dot braille during this process. 
>>> Contracted braille adds another layer of complexity as I would need to try 
>>> to figure out which contractions you are using to figure out what you are 
>>> doing with your fingers. Also, please state whether using table-top or away 
>>> mode, and your device.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 18/09/2016, at 09:12, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex,
 
 This sounds very much like the problem I was first having when I tried it 
 out this morning. However when I went back in and tried it a second time 
 the problem seem to have corrected it self. I haven't spent a lot of time 
 with it today but I have tried subsequently several times to use 

Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok and keeping your heads down

[Scott Granados]

Well remember, I like neither option, I’m a libertarian and Gary Johnson is my 
choice even if he doesn’t know what an Allepo  is?  :)
 

I’d rather be waterboarded though than vote for Hillary, in fact if she wins I 
may move.  A lot of people say that but I’m considering it.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> People who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.
> There's a difference between a strong leader and a strong man.
> By the way, my iPhone 6 Plus is behaving like my email, with the same 
> e-mail-ish icons and all.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 09:53, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Jimmy Carter absolutely sucked as a president.  He had one one of the 
>> highest inflation periods, completely screwed up the middle east and is a 
>> much better former president than president.  Only Obama is worse at this 
>> point.  He did a lot of good (carter that is) though post presidency with 
>> things like habitat for humanity.
>> 
>> Hillary is a criminal, liar and a gun grabbing fraud.  At least people will 
>> work under trump and we’ll get out of this imbalanced trade situation.  I 
>> like none of the major candidates to be clear I was hoping for Gary Johnson 
>> but Hillary and her ilk are the same mindset as the jack asses in England 
>> who wanted to subjugate the british people to the will of the Germans.  And 
>> we won’t talk about the uranium that Hillary stole from America and gave to 
>> Russia do to foundation donations and or the sale of political and 
>> government positions through the same foundation.  No thank you.
>> 
>> We’re screwed either way, I think that’s the only way to look at it.  I 
>> would just rather the clintons not get rich over the screw job any more.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Andy >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey, of course he will go on another wild rant because he actually doesn't 
>>> want the job!
>>> 
>>> That is what most of us over here believe.
>>> 
>>> So what are you left with?  Hilary?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As a blind Scottish guy I don't really know or understand much about 
>>> American politics, but I really did like Jimmy Carter!  I Know I still like 
>>> him if he's still doing all that voluntary work.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As for Donald:  Give up an empire to become the president of the USA.  
>>> Don't think so.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Very best wishes and kind regards
>>> Andy Logue.
>>> From Scotland with love.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "E.T." >> >
>>> To: >> >
>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are 
>>> ok and keeping your heads down
>>> 
>>> 
  Don't let Donald Trump hear about this for he will surely go on
 another wild rant.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
 On 9/19/2016 9:11 AM, Andy wrote:
> well done the Police department.
> 
> They have already got one guy.  I bet he is the only one.
> 
> Yet another terrible incident  hurting ordinary people, but it didn't
> take long to grab him.
> 
> Well done again the NYC Police department.
> 
> 
> Very best wishes and kind regards
> Andy Logue.
> From Scotland with love.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados"  >
> To: "MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via"  >
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:28 PM
> Subject: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are
> ok and keeping your heads down
> 
> 
>> Know we have a lot of people from that part of the world.  Sounds like
>> a dicy situation there.  Hope you all stay safe and they catch
>> everyone involved quickly, seems so at this point.  Good luck there
>> and be careful.
>> 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2 to 
bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for your 
password.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi sir Scotte:
3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar busy.
I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
is the message that I got for 3 hours.
so what shall I do?

I'm connected to the internet.
Thanks


On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
> 
> Should be good to go.
> 
> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the disk
> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is
> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Scott.
>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS or
>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I
>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
>> store.thank you
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
>>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
>>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>>> 
>>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
>>> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > wrote:
 
 Hello Sir Scott
 Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his
 assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank
 you so much.
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember
> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always
> happen)
> 
> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all  people
>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if
>> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will
>> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi sir Scotte:
3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar busy.
I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
is the message that I got for 3 hours.
so what shall I do?

I'm connected to the internet.
Thanks


On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>
> Should be good to go.
>
> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the disk
> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is
> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Thank you Scott.
>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS or
>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I
>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
>> store.thank you
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
>>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
>>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>>>
>>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
>>> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>>>
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > wrote:

  Hello Sir Scott
 Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his
 assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank
 you so much.

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:

> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember
> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always
> happen)
>
> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello all  people
>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if
>> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will
>> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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Re: How are you guys liking the new version of ITunes?

[Blee Blat]

Thanks for that. I think I'll order those because they stock replacement cables 
and ear pads. Streaming music is great for tuning out unreasonable people lol 
I'm glad iTunes updated that. I did notice that the more things you add to the 
sidebar the slower  iTunes is to respond to things.
 It's kind of a shame they don't have a setting to disable artwork. I'd think 
that might get you a performance boost.

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Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok and keeping your heads down

[Cheree Heppe]

People who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.
There's a difference between a strong leader and a strong man.
By the way, my iPhone 6 Plus is behaving like my email, with the same 
e-mail-ish icons and all.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 09:53, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Jimmy Carter absolutely sucked as a president.  He had one one of the highest 
> inflation periods, completely screwed up the middle east and is a much better 
> former president than president.  Only Obama is worse at this point.  He did 
> a lot of good (carter that is) though post presidency with things like 
> habitat for humanity.
> 
> Hillary is a criminal, liar and a gun grabbing fraud.  At least people will 
> work under trump and we’ll get out of this imbalanced trade situation.  I 
> like none of the major candidates to be clear I was hoping for Gary Johnson 
> but Hillary and her ilk are the same mindset as the jack asses in England who 
> wanted to subjugate the british people to the will of the Germans.  And we 
> won’t talk about the uranium that Hillary stole from America and gave to 
> Russia do to foundation donations and or the sale of political and government 
> positions through the same foundation.  No thank you.
> 
> We’re screwed either way, I think that’s the only way to look at it.  I would 
> just rather the clintons not get rich over the screw job any more.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Andy  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, of course he will go on another wild rant because he actually doesn't 
>> want the job!
>> 
>> That is what most of us over here believe.
>> 
>> So what are you left with?  Hilary?
>> 
>> 
>> As a blind Scottish guy I don't really know or understand much about 
>> American politics, but I really did like Jimmy Carter!  I Know I still like 
>> him if he's still doing all that voluntary work.
>> 
>> 
>> As for Donald:  Give up an empire to become the president of the USA.  Don't 
>> think so.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Very best wishes and kind regards
>> Andy Logue.
>> From Scotland with love.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "E.T." 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are 
>> ok and keeping your heads down
>> 
>> 
>>>  Don't let Donald Trump hear about this for he will surely go on
>>> another wild rant.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 9/19/2016 9:11 AM, Andy wrote:
 well done the Police department.
 
 They have already got one guy.  I bet he is the only one.
 
 Yet another terrible incident  hurting ordinary people, but it didn't
 take long to grab him.
 
 Well done again the NYC Police department.
 
 
 Very best wishes and kind regards
 Andy Logue.
 From Scotland with love.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
 To: "MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via" 
 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:28 PM
 Subject: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are
 ok and keeping your heads down
 
 
> Know we have a lot of people from that part of the world.  Sounds like
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Re: should those of us running the GM candidate get the new mac OS when it is out?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Yes. Scott is correct. The GM Candidate is usually the same as the public 
release which will be coming tomorrow, not today.

Shawn
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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 5:49 AM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> I am running the Sierra GM candidate and am wondering if i should put the new 
> system on when it is released for general use?
> Do you think anything would be improved or should I just stay with what I am 
> on?
> thanks
> 
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

One user's superfluous fluff may be another user's saviour.  Unsupported, or 
ill-researched opinions tend to hurt your credibility and don't really help 
your cause.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 09:56, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

No alarm heard here.
Maybe somebody needs to work harder on basics in the accessibility playground 
and drop the superfluous fluff, such as Mail headings telling blind listers 
that a selected message comes from a mail list.  Maybe blind can't tell that a 
mail message comes from a mail list that they signed on to; or use alarms for 
anything as important as full time employment. L

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 08:13, Jeff Berwick > wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
> morning.
> 
> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and 
> I think that causes a problem too.
> 
> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
> never submitted one before.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
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Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok and keeping your heads down

[Scott Granados]

Jimmy Carter absolutely sucked as a president.  He had one one of the highest 
inflation periods, completely screwed up the middle east and is a much better 
former president than president.  Only Obama is worse at this point.  He did a 
lot of good (carter that is) though post presidency with things like habitat 
for humanity.

Hillary is a criminal, liar and a gun grabbing fraud.  At least people will 
work under trump and we’ll get out of this imbalanced trade situation.  I like 
none of the major candidates to be clear I was hoping for Gary Johnson but 
Hillary and her ilk are the same mindset as the jack asses in England who 
wanted to subjugate the british people to the will of the Germans.  And we 
won’t talk about the uranium that Hillary stole from America and gave to Russia 
do to foundation donations and or the sale of political and government 
positions through the same foundation.  No thank you.

We’re screwed either way, I think that’s the only way to look at it.  I would 
just rather the clintons not get rich over the screw job any more.


> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hey, of course he will go on another wild rant because he actually doesn't 
> want the job!
> 
> That is what most of us over here believe.
> 
> So what are you left with?  Hilary?
> 
> 
> As a blind Scottish guy I don't really know or understand much about American 
> politics, but I really did like Jimmy Carter!  I Know I still like him if 
> he's still doing all that voluntary work.
> 
> 
> As for Donald:  Give up an empire to become the president of the USA.  Don't 
> think so.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Very best wishes and kind regards
> Andy Logue.
> From Scotland with love.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "E.T." 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok 
> and keeping your heads down
> 
> 
>>   Don't let Donald Trump hear about this for he will surely go on
>> another wild rant.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 9/19/2016 9:11 AM, Andy wrote:
>>> well done the Police department.
>>> 
>>> They have already got one guy.  I bet he is the only one.
>>> 
>>> Yet another terrible incident  hurting ordinary people, but it didn't
>>> take long to grab him.
>>> 
>>> Well done again the NYC Police department.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Very best wishes and kind regards
>>> Andy Logue.
>>> From Scotland with love.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
>>> To: "MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via" 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:28 PM
>>> Subject: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are
>>> ok and keeping your heads down
>>> 
>>> 
 Know we have a lot of people from that part of the world.  Sounds like
 a dicy situation there.  Hope you all stay safe and they catch
 everyone involved quickly, seems so at this point.  Good luck there
 and be careful.
 
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Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok and keeping your heads down

[Andy]

Hey, of course he will go on another wild rant because he actually doesn't 
want the job!


That is what most of us over here believe.

So what are you left with?  Hilary?


As a blind Scottish guy I don't really know or understand much about 
American politics, but I really did like Jimmy Carter!  I Know I still like 
him if he's still doing all that voluntary work.



As for Donald:  Give up an empire to become the president of the USA.  Don't 
think so.





Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.

From Scotland with love.


- Original Message - 
From: "E.T." 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are 
ok and keeping your heads down




   Don't let Donald Trump hear about this for he will surely go on
another wild rant.

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On 9/19/2016 9:11 AM, Andy wrote:

well done the Police department.

They have already got one guy.  I bet he is the only one.

Yet another terrible incident  hurting ordinary people, but it didn't
take long to grab him.

Well done again the NYC Police department.


Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.
From Scotland with love.

- Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
To: "MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via" 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:28 PM
Subject: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are
ok and keeping your heads down



Know we have a lot of people from that part of the world.  Sounds like
a dicy situation there.  Hope you all stay safe and they catch
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[Donna Goodin]

I just tried it using the Timer Tab, and everything was fine.  On an iPhone 7, 
running 10.01.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
> morning.
> 
> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and 
> I think that causes a problem too.
> 
> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
> never submitted one before.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
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Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok and keeping your heads down

[E.T.]

   Don't let Donald Trump hear about this for he will surely go on 
another wild rant.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/19/2016 9:11 AM, Andy wrote:

well done the Police department.

They have already got one guy.  I bet he is the only one.

Yet another terrible incident  hurting ordinary people, but it didn't
take long to grab him.

Well done again the NYC Police department.


Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.
From Scotland with love.

- Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
To: "MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via" 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:28 PM
Subject: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are
ok and keeping your heads down



Know we have a lot of people from that part of the world.  Sounds like
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Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok and keeping your heads down

[Andy]

well done the Police department.

They have already got one guy.  I bet he is the only one.

Yet another terrible incident  hurting ordinary people, but it didn't take 
long to grab him.


Well done again the NYC Police department.


Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.

From Scotland with love.


- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" 

To: "MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via" 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:28 PM
Subject: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok 
and keeping your heads down



Know we have a lot of people from that part of the world.  Sounds like a 
dicy situation there.  Hope you all stay safe and they catch everyone 
involved quickly, seems so at this point.  Good luck there and be careful.


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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[Mary Otten]

That business about mail list is not for just blind people. It's there for 
everybody. And it is there to make it easy to unsubscribe from things. Have you 
ever tried to unsubscribe from a mail list and had to dig through bunches of 
pages once you got to the website that they sent YouTube to unsubscribe? If so, 
you wouldn't regard this as fluff. Just saying.
Mary


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> No alarm heard here.
> Maybe somebody needs to work harder on basics in the accessibility playground 
> and drop the superfluous fluff, such as Mail headings telling blind listers 
> that a selected message comes from a mail list.  Maybe blind can't tell that 
> a mail message comes from a mail list that they signed on to; or use alarms 
> for anything as important as full time employment. L
> 
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>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 08:13, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
>> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
>> morning.
>> 
>> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
>> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set 
>> and I think that causes a problem too.
>> 
>> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
>> never submitted one before.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[Cheree Heppe]

No alarm heard here.
Maybe somebody needs to work harder on basics in the accessibility playground 
and drop the superfluous fluff, such as Mail headings telling blind listers 
that a selected message comes from a mail list.  Maybe blind can't tell that a 
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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 08:13, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
> morning.
> 
> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and 
> I think that causes a problem too.
> 
> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
> never submitted one before.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
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Re: watch os 3 powering off

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

LOL
When I went to get my guide dog, my flight had onboard wify. I was facebooking 
on the flight. It was fun!
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Blind person is hit with taser by flight marshal on flight for using Apple 
> watch.  That actually might get worse press than burning little children with 
> samsung phones.:)
> 
> Just a note though, you can ignore that turning the power off thing, it’s 
> total nonsense.  Myth Busters did an interesting demonstration of the 
> nonsense factor.  I remember when I flew on Emirates Air we had cell phone 
> service and internet during the whole flight.  On private flights as well I 
> use my devices during before and after the entire flight.  Your phone won’t 
> work above 10,000 feet although carriers are looking at changing that.  Some 
> flights also have cell repeaters in them and T-Mobile provides free access to 
> inflight WiFi.  There’s 0 risk to the flight though from your device.
> 
> Happy flying, try not to get on the no fly list.:)
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I can see it now. Me sitting on airplane. Please power off all electronics. 
>> Me trying to power  off watch. Police show up. I end up on CNN.
>> ggr
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just so you know, if you need to test 911 services you can legally very 
>>> easily and the watch would qualify.
>>> 
>>> What we do in the phone game if we’re going to test 911 on the service or a 
>>> new customer install which we have to do is dial 911 first, tell the 
>>> operator you’re testing some communications equipment for the next X 
>>> minutes and please do not dispatch the call or dedicate any time to them.  
>>> Then when you do the test you again say that you’re testing per your last 
>>> call, the test is successful and there will be no more testing.  Then they 
>>> put you back in to a normal state where they will respond.  Note *** Note 
>>> ***  Highly important, you can not call 911 and hang up first before 
>>> someone answers.  Your address and other data is still sent to the 911 
>>> operator and they will dispatch calling it a repeated 911 call with no 
>>> answer from X location.  You’ll have police show up guns drawn.  I learned 
>>> this one the hard way. Luckily I provided phone service to the sheriff’s 
>>> department in our county and they new me.:)  What you might also want to do 
>>> first is call the non emergency number for your local police and ask if 
>>> there’s a special procedure for testing E911 services.  If not just do what 
>>> I said above and you’ll be in the clear and won’t have any problems.  Also 
>>> note that the SOS service does work around the world and the replacement 
>>> for 911 in the host country will automatically be selected, 999 for the UK 
>>> and so forth.
>>> 
>>> Happy dialing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
  wrote:
 
 Me neither!
> On Sep 17, 2016, at 1:49 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don’t think so but could be wrong and no not trying it for the hell of it 
> .
>> On 15 Sep 2016, at 21:57, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Is the SOS feature only for the US?  I’m buying my watch series 2 
>> tomorrow and hope the watch is faster than the last Generation.  I’m 
>> going to the Apple store and am going to hold my caine out to see if I 
>> can get in front of the queue.
>>> On 14 Sep 2016, at 16:40, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh boy, what could possibly go wrong there.:)
>>> 
>>> That sounds a little dicy to me.  “911, how may I help you?”  “I’m 
>>> sorry I was trying to power down my watch, no really I’m fine, nobody 
>>> is here, I’m just trying to reset my watch”  “Ok ok, I’ll open the door 
>>> and let the officer in to check” ;)
>>> 
>>> As someone who has to test 911 calls for SIP phones from time to time 
>>> that’s a real eye opener when you dial 911 and think you hang up before 
>>> the call completes and 5 minutes later police are pulling up in your 
>>> parking lot looking for the guy calling 911. haha
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
 
 Hi Sarai, you press it long enough to invoke the power off screen, but 
 not so long that it invokes the SOS function.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
> On 15/09/2016, at 3:07 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> I know the long press of friends button use to power off the watch, 
> and now it starts 

Re: How are you guys liking the new version of ITunes?

[Mary Otten]

 Hi Simon,
Obviously, the sound is a subjective thing. But Bowers and Wilkins has been one 
of my favorite speaker companies for a very long time. The thing that's really 
great about these headphones, the wired ones, I don't have the other ones, is 
for one thing how they fit. They are one of the very few headsets I can wear 
for a very long time without any discomfort on my ears or the sides of my face. 
They are just that comfortable. The sound is really really good, even if you 
don't have a headphone amplifier. I have another set of very nice headphones 
from AKG which are also very good, but without a headphone amp, they kind of 
art so great, because they just need more  to drive them then the little amps 
in phones have.  The new pair of P7, being wireless, will work with the new 
iPhone 7 without any problem. But it will be Bluetooth. And Bluetooth audio is 
something of a step down. But these also come with a cable which you can 
connect. So, if you have another device that will utilize a headphone jack, 
then you got that too. The new ones, judging from the reviews, sound even 
better than the original wired variant. Supposedly, there is a bit more base. I 
don't find mine bass shy, but I am also not a big listener of rap or other bass 
heavy music. Smile.
Mary


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:55 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> If 400 USA dollars,
>  
> In NZ probably a lot more.
>  
> I’d like to know what’s so good about this model of headphones?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 2:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How are you guys liking the new version of ITunes?
>  
> David, the BMW P7 is now out as a wireless set. It will cost you $400 US. The 
> wired variety have been reduced to $350 US. I have no clue what they cost in 
> Australia.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:51 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> The BW P7 is the only BW headphones I can ware. The P3 and P5 over-the-ear 
> squeeze my head too tight and hurt my ears. Frustrating, because I wanted the 
> P5 wireless. I am hopeful about the new Air Pods coming out next month.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 19/09/2016, at 10:25, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Except that i must have very very big elephant ears *lol* because i think the 
> headphones squeezes my ears when listening for to long.
> My Bose QC35 are much better for the jumbo ears i have.
> /A
> On 17 Sep 2016, at 05:50, David Chittenden  wrote:
>  
> I completely agree with you about the B P7 headphones. They are great for 
> long flights.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 17/09/2016, at 15:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I think the most recent version of iTunes is a slight improvement over what 
> came before. I still like the one several versions back now. That's obviously 
> not coming back. In terms of headphones, if you have the money, check out the 
> B and W P7. Not cheap but very comfortable and awesome.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:
>  
> It's more clunky in some ways but the apple music layout seems a bit saner. 
> Closer to iOS. Slight sound quality improvement as well. Need to find some 
> actually decent headphones that aren't earbuds heh Do those exist? Getting a 
> lot of  calls and music lately. iTunes wifi sync seems a bit more reliable as 
> well.
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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[Rachel Feinberg]

The alarm does seem to be a lot quieter since iOS 10 came around. If you're 
testing with the beta app, find the Feedback app and activate it. You'll have a 
chance to title your report, choose which category your report falls under, 
like accessibility, and so on. Then, you'll have a place to write out the bug 
and how they can reproduce it.
Thanks,
Rachel.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I just had an alarm this morning and it worked fine. But it was 
> from the Bedtime tab, not alarm, though I’d think it’d work the same way.
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
>> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
>> morning.
>> 
>> Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all 
>> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set 
>> and I think that causes a problem too.
>> 
>> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
>> never submitted one before.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
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Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok and keeping your heads down

[Scott Granados]

Know we have a lot of people from that part of the world.  Sounds like a dicy 
situation there.  Hope you all stay safe and they catch everyone involved 
quickly, seems so at this point.  Good luck there and be careful.

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Re: Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Interesting. I just had an alarm this morning and it worked fine. But it was 
from the Bedtime tab, not alarm, though I’d think it’d work the same way.
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
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> 
> I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm 
> app.  Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this 
> morning.
> 
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> when Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and 
> I think that causes a problem too.
> 
> Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve 
> never submitted one before.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
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Alarm Bug in IOS 10.0.1

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi all,

I think I’ve discovered a bug in IOS 10.0.1 using Voiceover and the Alarm app.  
Unfortunately, I ended up sleeping in and missing my bus/train this morning.

Can anybody confirm thet the alarm sound drops out or doesn’t play at all when 
Voiceover is running?  I have also tried it with the mute button set and I 
think that causes a problem too.

Assuming we can recreate this bug, how do I submit this to Apple as I’ve never 
submitted one before.

Thx,
Jeff


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Re: Using Braille display to type text on iphone

[Scott Davert]

Hi Stacey.
It's not a bug, but a feature that came out with iOS 9 something or
other. other than setting up an autotext where you enter some random
combination of 2 or 3 letters/numbers, I don't think you can insert
line breaks in to text messages any longer with a braille display. I
never really utilized the feature in texting anyway, so haven't missed
it, so maybe someone else has found a better work around.

Scott

On 9/19/16, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> Yes, text messages.
> It hasn’t always been this way.
>
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Michelle's Home Emails
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Stacey
>>
>> Michelle Stevens here,
>>
>> Were you talking about send a tex sms message? Because I think it was
>> always the way . What is driving me mad at moment whilst brailleing this
>> message on focus even though I have finished typing the word, can only see
>> half the ^will.  If I press spacebar then the word appears. Any fix for
>> this?  I just typed this and only read thi  pressed spacebar and the full
>> word came up.
>>
>> Kind wishes from downunder
>> Michelle
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 19 Sep. 2016, at 9:56 am, Stacey Robinson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone noticed if the bug with text and iMessages and Braille
>>> displays been fixed?
>>> About a week ago I was using my braillepen12 to send a text and when I
>>> pressed enter to go to a new line it sent the message instead.
>>> Is there a way around this?
>>>
>>> Peace,  
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden > wrote:

 When in the address bar, the enter button becomes the go button. Thus,
 the enter command becomes the go command. Enter is dot 8 space bar, or
 dots 1 5 space bar.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 19/09/2016, at 05:20, Andrew Lamanche > wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm still such a novice when it comes to using a Braille display in
> iOS.  When I land on a text box like an address field in Safari on my
> iphone, I am not really sure how to deal with it.  I type in the url
> but then I can't seem to get out of the text input box to activate the
> "go" button.  It happens to me in other text fields to like for
> instance, when replying to an email.  What do I miss?  Is there a more
> comprehensive description somewhere how to use a braille display to
> type text on iOS device?
>
> Many thanks for any tips.
>
> Andrew
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Re: New IOS released, 10.0.1

[Scott Granados]

Ok, it must be an iPhone 7 thing.

Sounds good, so far so good after updating.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> It was the same thing here.  The 7 I got on Friday, was running 10.0.  I 
> wondered about that, but thought that perhaps that was the last approved 
> release before they shipped the phone (I'm not a beta tester.)  this morning, 
> 10.01 showed up.
> donna
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Wonder why the update didn’t show up until over the weekend.  I tried it 
>> Friday first thing on activation.
>> 
>> Odd but good we’re all on the same page now.
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:56 AM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apparently, the iPhone 7+ which you received was preloaded with iOS 10.0. 
>>> So, you were updated to the updated release.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 19/09/2016, at 15:06, Shawn Krasniuk >> > wrote:
>>> 
 No I don't have a 7. I'm running the latest gold master build which is the 
 public release on my iPhone SE. Odds are that that update you saw was for 
 the 7 to be on the same version as everyone else.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> So when I got my iPhone unpacked I was running 10.0 which was different 
> than the version in my old phone which was the 10.0.1.  I ran the 
> software update though and nothing was available.  I never enrolled my 
> new phone in the beta program so unless it’s based on the ID I don’t 
> think so.  I never installed the profiles or anything.  Do you think 
> maybe they are just catching up the 7+ or are you running one and no such 
> download for you?
> 
> Very odd.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott. Are you still on the beta? When I checked for updates, my 
>> iPhone said that my software was up to date. I find it odd that Apple 
>> would release an update over the weekend but oh well. Oh yeah, my 
>> software update screen said that I was running 10.0.1 already.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:15 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update 
>>> message appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice 
>>> call quality, bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and 
>>> other stability improvements.  Sounds important for performance so 
>>> update em if you got em.
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Re: Using Braille display to type text on iphone

[Stacey Robinson]

Yes, text messages.
It hasn’t always been this way.

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Michelle's Home Emails 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stacey 
> 
> Michelle Stevens here,  
> 
> Were you talking about send a tex sms message? Because I think it was always 
> the way . What is driving me mad at moment whilst brailleing this message on 
> focus even though I have finished typing the word, can only see half the 
> ^will.  If I press spacebar then the word appears. Any fix for this?  I just 
> typed this and only read thi  pressed spacebar and the full word came up. 
> 
> Kind wishes from downunder 
> Michelle 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 19 Sep. 2016, at 9:56 am, Stacey Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone noticed if the bug with text and iMessages and Braille displays 
>> been fixed?
>> About a week ago I was using my braillepen12 to send a text and when I 
>> pressed enter to go to a new line it sent the message instead.
>> Is there a way around this?
>> 
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> When in the address bar, the enter button becomes the go button. Thus, the 
>>> enter command becomes the go command. Enter is dot 8 space bar, or dots 1 5 
>>> space bar.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 19/09/2016, at 05:20, Andrew Lamanche >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I'm still such a novice when it comes to using a Braille display in iOS.  
 When I land on a text box like an address field in Safari on my iphone, I 
 am not really sure how to deal with it.  I type in the url but then I 
 can't seem to get out of the text input box to activate the "go" button.  
 It happens to me in other text fields to like for instance, when replying 
 to an email.  What do I miss?  Is there a more comprehensive description 
 somewhere how to use a braille display to type text on iOS device?
 
 Many thanks for any tips.
 
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How did you download Sonos Controller for Mac?

[Donna Goodin]

Morning, all,

I'm trying to download the Sonos Controller for Mac.  It's not in the app 
store, and when I go to the Sonos site, the links for downloads are unlabeled, 
so I can't figure out which one to click on.  How did the rest of you get Sonos 
Controller for your Mac?
TIA,
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Re: New IOS released, 10.0.1

[Donna Goodin]

Scott,

It was the same thing here.  The 7 I got on Friday, was running 10.0.  I 
wondered about that, but thought that perhaps that was the last approved 
release before they shipped the phone (I'm not a beta tester.)  this morning, 
10.01 showed up.
donna
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wonder why the update didn’t show up until over the weekend.  I tried it 
> Friday first thing on activation.
> 
> Odd but good we’re all on the same page now.
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:56 AM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> Apparently, the iPhone 7+ which you received was preloaded with iOS 10.0. 
>> So, you were updated to the updated release.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 19/09/2016, at 15:06, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>>> No I don't have a 7. I'm running the latest gold master build which is the 
>>> public release on my iPhone SE. Odds are that that update you saw was for 
>>> the 7 to be on the same version as everyone else.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 So when I got my iPhone unpacked I was running 10.0 which was different 
 than the version in my old phone which was the 10.0.1.  I ran the software 
 update though and nothing was available.  I never enrolled my new phone in 
 the beta program so unless it’s based on the ID I don’t think so.  I never 
 installed the profiles or anything.  Do you think maybe they are just 
 catching up the 7+ or are you running one and no such download for you?
 
 Very odd.
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  > wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott. Are you still on the beta? When I checked for updates, my 
> iPhone said that my software was up to date. I find it odd that Apple 
> would release an update over the weekend but oh well. Oh yeah, my 
> software update screen said that I was running 10.0.1 already.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:15 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update 
>> message appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice 
>> call quality, bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and 
>> other stability improvements.  Sounds important for performance so 
>> update em if you got em.
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Re: unable to answer security questions in iCloud

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Simon,

Yes, that site is where I went to change my security questions.  thanks for the 
suggestion, though.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:32 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Have you tried going through the 
> Applied.apple.com 
> Website and see how you get on?
> 
> That site is an interesting setup but deals a lot more with the security 
> behind your account
> 
> 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: unable to answer security questions in iCloud
> 
> I'm trying that now, but can't seem to find Devices.
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I think Apple is a little slammed by the new business.  Might want to try 
>> the web from a laptop or desktop instead of the phone.  THat’s what did it 
>> for me.  Probably different systems.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You know, I think so.  So I changed my security questions, and now, when I 
>>> enter the answers, I get a "critical server error"  message saying my 
>>> request cannot be completed at this time.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Something is broken, I had huge problems with this yesterday when I gave 
 my dad the old phone.  For some reason the entries on the phone didn’t 
 work and when I reset the phone it didn’t automatically delete me from 
 iCloud.  I had to execute the removal from the web at iCloud.com.  That 
 was my work around anyway and it worked properly.  Now I’m having problems 
 with changes sticking in cloud like my unlock with watch option.
 
 Wonder if something is sideways at apple?
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to delete my old phone from my iCloud devices.  In order to do 
> this, I have to answer the two security questions.  I know exactly what 
> the answers are, but there's something about how I wrote my answers that 
> I'm not getting right.  Does anyone know what I can do?  It's now told me 
> I've made too many attempts to answer the questions.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: So what do we all think good or bad about the new home button?

[Donna Goodin]

Me, too, Simon!
Donna
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:21 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna & Scott,
> 
> I don't have the 7 but had a look at the device in a store and was rather 
> surprised at how the new home button works.
> 
> I could have sworn that the home button moved it was so weird. But  guess it 
> was  due to the haptic feedback.
> 
> I wish apple would hurry up with the earpods 
> I want a set!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 4:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we all think good or bad about the new home button?
> 
> You know, I was skeptical, too, but I really like it.  In fact, like you, 
> Scott, I barely notice the difference.  The haptic feedback really does make 
> it feel like you're actually pressing a mechanical button.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 11:51 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Wonder what people think about the new home button?  I was skeptical.  I had 
>> a chance to hold the phone prelaunch but not use it for any length of time.  
>> It was attached to another device so we were testing from the PC and 
>> controlling the device remotely.  Now that I’ve had a 24 hour period to use 
>> it, I really dig it.  I was afraid because I don’t like the capacitive 
>> buttons on Android.  They don’t have any feedback or even physical 
>> identifier.  It feels surprisingly real to me.  When you press and get that 
>> response it feels a lot like a button.  I also like the response is 
>> configurable.  I know others disagree though so I’m interested in what 
>> others using the 7 think of the touch sensitive virtual button.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
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Re: should those of us running the GM candidate get the new mac OS when it is out?

[Michael Marshall]

i see, thanks for the info.
> On 19 Sep. 2016, at 9:31 pm, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I don’t think you’ll see an update made available because you already have 
> the same version in place now.  The gold master is what’s released today.  
> That’s how I understand it anyway.  On IOS release day I had no update 
> because the current version was already in place, I’d assume this should be 
> the same.
> 
> Thanks
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>> hey all,
>> I am running the Sierra GM candidate and am wondering if i should put the 
>> new system on when it is released for general use?
>> Do you think anything would be improved or should I just stay with what I am 
>> on?
>> thanks
>> 
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Re: should those of us running the GM candidate get the new mac OS when it is out?

[Scott Granados]

I don’t think you’ll see an update made available because you already have the 
same version in place now.  The gold master is what’s released today.  That’s 
how I understand it anyway.  On IOS release day I had no update because the 
current version was already in place, I’d assume this should be the same.

Thanks

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Michael Marshall  
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> hey all,
> I am running the Sierra GM candidate and am wondering if i should put the new 
> system on when it is released for general use?
> Do you think anything would be improved or should I just stay with what I am 
> on?
> thanks
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Re: possible bug in watch OS 3

[Scott Granados]

I can confirm tapping on the item yields the correct result in side the 
measurement but the actual label does not read correctly.

Good pointer though, thank you.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:38 AM, christopher hallsworth  
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> Possibly, but if you double tap on the battery it should show you the correct 
> level. According to the hint, this will view details of the battery.
>> On 18 Sep 2016, at 22:51, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>> Hi, using the original watch, OS3 download.
>> 
>> I have the modular face set and in the bottom middle complication I have the 
>> battery level set.  This battery level reads correctly. If you flick up to 
>> the control center and one I think it is to the right of connected by iPhone 
>> there’s another battery reading.  This reads a totally different number.  If 
>> my complication reading says 100% the one on the control center reads 55.  
>> If I have a 60% reading on the complication the control center says 93.  
>> Seems to be stuck on 93 now.  Anyone else seeing these differences?  not 
>> major but odd.
>> 
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Re: New IOS released, 10.0.1

[Scott Granados]

Something call 10.0 which I never saw on the gold master side.  It’s almost 
like it had a previous version of the beta or something.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:53 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> My iPhone 6s+ is already running the IOS 10.0.1  but this I think was what 
> installed last week as the IOS 10 update from 9.3.x
> 
> And just checking there is no other current update I can see.
> 
> What was your 7 running prior to the current update.
> 
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> Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update message 
> appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice call quality, 
> bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and other stability 
> improvements.  Sounds important for performance so update em if you got em.
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Re: New IOS released, 10.0.1

[Scott Granados]

Wonder why the update didn’t show up until over the weekend.  I tried it Friday 
first thing on activation.

Odd but good we’re all on the same page now.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:56 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> Apparently, the iPhone 7+ which you received was preloaded with iOS 10.0. So, 
> you were updated to the updated release.
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> On 19/09/2016, at 15:06, Shawn Krasniuk  > wrote:
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>> No I don't have a 7. I'm running the latest gold master build which is the 
>> public release on my iPhone SE. Odds are that that update you saw was for 
>> the 7 to be on the same version as everyone else.
>> 
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>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> So when I got my iPhone unpacked I was running 10.0 which was different 
>>> than the version in my old phone which was the 10.0.1.  I ran the software 
>>> update though and nothing was available.  I never enrolled my new phone in 
>>> the beta program so unless it’s based on the ID I don’t think so.  I never 
>>> installed the profiles or anything.  Do you think maybe they are just 
>>> catching up the 7+ or are you running one and no such download for you?
>>> 
>>> Very odd.
>>> 
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 Hey Scott. Are you still on the beta? When I checked for updates, my 
 iPhone said that my software was up to date. I find it odd that Apple 
 would release an update over the weekend but oh well. Oh yeah, my software 
 update screen said that I was running 10.0.1 already.
 
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> Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update 
> message appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice 
> call quality, bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and other 
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Re: Android was Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?

[Scott Granados]

Google TTS has had some performance problems in the past but the thing with 
voices is it’s also very subjective.  What sounds great to me may sound awful 
to you.  I would try other voices though if on android if you’re having 
performance problems.


> On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:47 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
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> You know, this is interesting. I actually find the Swedish google voice to be 
> quite bloody good, it’s the only modern Swedish voice that actually to a 
> certain extent can be multilingual however, i wonder if it’s the google voice 
> that’s choppy when used out and about with a bluetooth headset.
> /Krister
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>> 18 sep. 2016 kl. 05:29 skrev Scott Granados > >:
>> 
>> I totally agree with you on the voices.  I have eloquence on my droid device 
>> and enjoy that a lot.  Much more open on the voice side than Apple.  It’s 
>> nice that individual manufacturers can create their own TTS engines for 
>> android  and you can simply install them.
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Erik Burggraaf >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I use Android on a regular basis. there are several Braille 
>>> keyboards for Android. the problem is that they require you to turn off 
>>> explore by touch. explore by touch is critical for navigating your phone 
>>> using gestures. so, I have never wanted to install one of these keyboards 
>>> and try to make it usable.
>>> 
>>> The default Google text to speech voices are pretty terrible. this might 
>>> lead you to believe that speech on Android is not quite as good as speech 
>>> on iOS. in fact, speech on Android is far superior to that on iOS. the 
>>> number of Manufacturers and the variety of voices you can actually purchase 
>>> or download for free is far and beyond that available on iOS.  Android also 
>>> had pronunciation dictionaries available starting with 4.0 Ice Cream 
>>> Sandwich which are only now being introduced in iOS 10.
>>> 
>>> Braille  is another matter. yes it's nice to be able to hook up the few 
>>> supported Braille displays; however, they are not leveraging the full power 
>>> of Android to make Braille the wonderful experience that it could be.   
>>> especially not compared with iOS.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik
>>> .
>>> 
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>>> On September 17, 2016 8:49:22 AM Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Please could someone do a podcast on how to use Braille output on their I 
 phone please?  I don’t know how to use it but heard all of Jonathan’s 
 podcast today when he was unboxing his I phone 7 plus and he was so fast 
 on Braille output.  I’d like to use it but the dots are not in the same 
 place as I don’t know how to calibrate the dots and can you chord i.e. do 
 all the six finger combinations as you do on a perkins?  Does Android have 
 this method?  Just curious.  Never used Android as when I heard it a long 
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should those of us running the GM candidate get the new mac OS when it is out?

[Michael Marshall]

hey all,
I am running the Sierra GM candidate and am wondering if i should put the new 
system on when it is released for general use?
Do you think anything would be improved or should I just stay with what I am on?
thanks

Michael

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Re: Android was Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?

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You know, this is interesting. I actually find the Swedish google voice to be 
quite bloody good, it’s the only modern Swedish voice that actually to a 
certain extent can be multilingual however, i wonder if it’s the google voice 
that’s choppy when used out and about with a bluetooth headset.
/Krister

> 18 sep. 2016 kl. 05:29 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I totally agree with you on the voices.  I have eloquence on my droid device 
> and enjoy that a lot.  Much more open on the voice side than Apple.  It’s 
> nice that individual manufacturers can create their own TTS engines for 
> android  and you can simply install them.
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Erik Burggraaf > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I use Android on a regular basis. there are several Braille keyboards 
>> for Android. the problem is that they require you to turn off explore by 
>> touch. explore by touch is critical for navigating your phone using 
>> gestures. so, I have never wanted to install one of these keyboards and try 
>> to make it usable.
>> 
>> The default Google text to speech voices are pretty terrible. this might 
>> lead you to believe that speech on Android is not quite as good as speech on 
>> iOS. in fact, speech on Android is far superior to that on iOS. the number 
>> of Manufacturers and the variety of voices you can actually purchase or 
>> download for free is far and beyond that available on iOS.  Android also had 
>> pronunciation dictionaries available starting with 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich 
>> which are only now being introduced in iOS 10.
>> 
>> Braille  is another matter. yes it's nice to be able to hook up the few 
>> supported Braille displays; however, they are not leveraging the full power 
>> of Android to make Braille the wonderful experience that it could be.   
>> especially not compared with iOS.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik
>> .
>> 
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>> On September 17, 2016 8:49:22 AM Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Please could someone do a podcast on how to use Braille output on their I 
>>> phone please?  I don’t know how to use it but heard all of Jonathan’s 
>>> podcast today when he was unboxing his I phone 7 plus and he was so fast on 
>>> Braille output.  I’d like to use it but the dots are not in the same place 
>>> as I don’t know how to calibrate the dots and can you chord i.e. do all the 
>>> six finger combinations as you do on a perkins?  Does Android have this 
>>> method?  Just curious.  Never used Android as when I heard it a long time 
>>> ago, didn’t like the voices.
>>> 
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RE: How are you guys liking the new version of ITunes?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

If 400 USA dollars,

In NZ probably a lot more.

I’d like to know what’s so good about this model of headphones?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 2:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How are you guys liking the new version of ITunes?

David, the BMW P7 is now out as a wireless set. It will cost you $400 US. The 
wired variety have been reduced to $350 US. I have no clue what they cost in 
Australia.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:51 PM, David Chittenden 
> wrote:
The BW P7 is the only BW headphones I can ware. The P3 and P5 over-the-ear 
squeeze my head too tight and hurt my ears. Frustrating, because I wanted the 
P5 wireless. I am hopeful about the new Air Pods coming out next month.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 19/09/2016, at 10:25, Anders Holmberg 
> wrote:
Hi!
Except that i must have very very big elephant ears *lol* because i think the 
headphones squeezes my ears when listening for to long.
My Bose QC35 are much better for the jumbo ears i have.
/A
On 17 Sep 2016, at 05:50, David Chittenden 
> wrote:

I completely agree with you about the B P7 headphones. They are great for 
long flights.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone

On 17/09/2016, at 15:04, Mary Otten 
> wrote:
I think the most recent version of iTunes is a slight improvement over what 
came before. I still like the one several versions back now. That's obviously 
not coming back. In terms of headphones, if you have the money, check out the B 
and W P7. Not cheap but very comfortable and awesome.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 16, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Blee Blat 
> wrote:

It's more clunky in some ways but the apple music layout seems a bit saner. 
Closer to iOS. Slight sound quality improvement as well. Need to find some 
actually decent headphones that aren't earbuds heh Do those exist? Getting a 
lot of  calls and music lately. iTunes wifi sync seems a bit more reliable as 
well.

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RE: New IOS released, 10.0.1

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi,

 My iPhone 6s+ is already running the IOS 10.0.1  but this I think was what 
installed last week as the IOS 10 update from 9.3.x

And just checking there is no other current update I can see.

 What was your 7 running prior to the current update.


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Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 2:15 PM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: New IOS released, 10.0.1

Hi, iPhone 7+ here, not sure about all devices but a software update message 
appeared.  IOS 10.0.1 is installing and includes fixes to voice call quality, 
bluetooth stability and apple watch connectivity, and other stability 
improvements.  Sounds important for performance so update em if you got em.

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RE: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution

[Simon Fogarty]

what about an out of the box idea.

 Dropbox or google drive which you upload the iPhone backup files to from your 
computer!


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On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 12:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution

I might run in to a situation where for some reason, I have stuff on my iPHone 
that I might lose on my Mac and therefore need to do the transfer.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon 
Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Why don't you want to back up with ICloud, or with ITunes?  Just am curious?
> ---
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> - Original Message - From: "Ray Foret jr" 
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> To: "Mac Visionaries List" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:01 PM
> Subject: slightly annoied and need suggestons for possible solution
> 
> 
> Okay,
> 
> In preparation for my soon coming iPHone7+, I just backed up my iPhone 6+ to 
> both my Mac and iCloud.
> 
> Now, What I would really love is a good third party solution which would let 
> me back all my data from my iPHone6+ directly to my Mac independantly of 
> iTunes.  The frustration comes in the fact that I have so far paid for three 
> possible solutions:  Anytrans, Wondertuens and one other I cannot recall. 
> When I paid for each, they appeared to me to be quite accessible:  but in 
> time, and with the latest update of Anytrans, the accessibility seems to be 
> broken every time with each solution.  Can anybody suggest anything which 
> might be usable for the purpose and which is at least very or reasonably 
> accessible?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
> blind built-in
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RE: Here's another weird one for ya.

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes I made a call earlier this evening and heard that, I hung up thinking it 
was a friend of mine calling at the same time.

It wasn’t and calling again to the company I was ringing vo said the same thing,

Guess small issue with VO not knowing which way is outwards.

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On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 8:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Here's another weird one for ya.

Hi!
Yes i have.
Very strange one.
/A
On 16 Sep 2016, at 20:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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Have any of you noticed on iOS10, when making an outbound call, as soon as the 
call is sent, sometimes, in fact fairly often, Voiceover will say: incoming 
call?

It's the weirdest thing!

Chris.

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RE: unable to answer security questions in iCloud

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

Have you tried going through the 
Applied.apple.com 
Website and see how you get on?

That site is an interesting setup but deals a lot more with the security behind 
your account


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Subject: Re: unable to answer security questions in iCloud

I'm trying that now, but can't seem to find Devices.
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I think Apple is a little slammed by the new business.  Might want to try the 
> web from a laptop or desktop instead of the phone.  THat’s what did it for 
> me.  Probably different systems.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> You know, I think so.  So I changed my security questions, and now, when I 
>> enter the answers, I get a "critical server error"  message saying my 
>> request cannot be completed at this time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Something is broken, I had huge problems with this yesterday when I gave my 
>>> dad the old phone.  For some reason the entries on the phone didn’t work 
>>> and when I reset the phone it didn’t automatically delete me from iCloud.  
>>> I had to execute the removal from the web at iCloud.com.  That was my work 
>>> around anyway and it worked properly.  Now I’m having problems with changes 
>>> sticking in cloud like my unlock with watch option.
>>> 
>>> Wonder if something is sideways at apple?
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm trying to delete my old phone from my iCloud devices.  In order to do 
 this, I have to answer the two security questions.  I know exactly what 
 the answers are, but there's something about how I wrote my answers that 
 I'm not getting right.  Does anyone know what I can do?  It's now told me 
 I've made too many attempts to answer the questions.
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
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