Re: IOS10 Mail app changes

[Kimber Gardner]

David,

 Thanks so much for this excellent explanation of threading
 Until I read it, and had an opportunity to work with your instructions, I 
really didn't like the new format of the mail app. But now everything has 
changed for me. Thanks again for the great instructions.
Sent from Kimber's iPad

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:27 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Correct, the way messages are handled has changed. Visually, it now looks 
> much more like mail on the mac. It also works more like macmail.
> 
> When in the main message list, individual messages are still handled the same 
> as in iOS 9. Threads are different. If one double-taps on a thread to 
> activate it, one goes into a browse thread view. In this view, single-finger 
> vertical flick moves up and down through the messages. Single-finger 
> horrizontal flicks read through the specific message. Double-tap on the 
> delete button at the bottom of the screen deletes all messages in the thread. 
> Three-finger horrizontal flick moves between threads, threads and individual 
> messages which do not belong to threads, and individual messages. In other 
> words, the same as single-finger horrizontal flick in the message list screen.
> 
> If one wishes to delete only some messages from a thread, the thread must be 
> expanded. Whilst in the main message screen, single-finger vertical flick to 
> expand thread and double-tap. Now, the thread is unpacked and all the 
> messages in the thread are treated like non-thread messages. Now that I have 
> become used to this new system, I really like it. It took me a few hours of 
> frustration to become used to this new system.
> 
> I am hoping that, as Apple continues merging the behaviours of apps for iOS 
> and Mac, that we will see a full Mac-based iPad. I love touch-screen and want 
> my touch-screen Mac, or the equivalent.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 16/09/2016, at 10:09, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> message threading seems to have changed substantially in IOS10. I can no 
>> longer 3 finger flick from message to message in a thread, instead I have to 
>> use the “pre and next” message buttons. Also, the list of messages in a 
>> thread no longer appears, but instead I am thrown into the first message in 
>> the thread and then have to navigate between messages using the next and pre 
>> message buttons. What a screw up this is! is 3 finger flicking from message 
>> to message gone in ios10?
>> Also how about the thread message list? is that gone too? or are there some 
>> settings that need tweaking?
>> 
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Re: Apple TV 3rd Gen.

[E.T.]

   Cannot charge that one. Use a coin to open the battery compartment. 
It uses a CR2025 type.


   The input source will be the HDMI port you connected to.

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On 9/21/2016 9:38 PM, Vaughn Brown wrote:

Hi folks,

I just purchased and received an Apple TV 3rd generation. I have the
following question:
1. How do you recharge the batteries? The remote has a slim plug in
the back but it did not come with a cable for recharging. I already
tried looking this up on the web but it keeps mentioning 4th Gen.
remotes.
2. What is the best way to set this up via voiceover? Does my actual
TV need to be on a certain input such as auxillary?

I'm planning on calling Apple support but would appreciate your input.

Thanks,
Vaughn



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Apple TV 3rd Gen.

[Vaughn Brown]

Hi folks,

I just purchased and received an Apple TV 3rd generation. I have the
following question:
1. How do you recharge the batteries? The remote has a slim plug in
the back but it did not come with a cable for recharging. I already
tried looking this up on the web but it keeps mentioning 4th Gen.
remotes.
2. What is the best way to set this up via voiceover? Does my actual
TV need to be on a certain input such as auxillary?

I'm planning on calling Apple support but would appreciate your input.

Thanks,
Vaughn

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Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[Grant]

Hey guys,

Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:

1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the tab 
order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you need to 
tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes table.
2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t change the 
contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via the “mouse button 
locking” method that used to work.
4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar now 
appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in behaviour” 
than a bug.

Would love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks!

Grant

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Re: Related to my Installing fresh system, disk utility

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Format the Macintosh HD, or the Apple HDD, either one should work.  The Apple 
HDD is the parent HD, all others are partitions that the MacOS uses for various 
purposes such as the Recovery partition, the regular MacOS and the partition 
map.

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On Sep 21, 2016, at 18:32, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello all:

I still have my problem the same. and I read the online help in the
table that allow me to install the system etc.
now, I opened the disk utility, I have only 1 hd in the selected disks table.
but I found  many things to choose from in this table.
1tb apple hdd and it has all the size of my internal hard.
macintosh hd expanded 0 items closed.
1st aid, or something, I can not here will.
disk 1 expanded.
Mac os bass  system.

what are these? and is there something that I did not touch? and what
thing should I format?
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Attention Mark Taylor - related

[ben.j.bloomgren]

Mark,

I also wrote you off list. It’s quite urgent that you view that email. I’m on 
Pacific time, so please either call or email me back regarding my private 
message.

Thanks,

Ben

Thanks,

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Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

[Scott Granados]

There’s a thunderbolt version as well, no experience with the USB model but 
like Tim I’d think that should be a good option.


> On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:41 PM, michael babcock  
> wrote:
> 
> thanks for this, and of course i’ll go to amazon vs apple :) found a usb3 to 
> ethernet for only $13 vs the $29 apple wants for it. Prime ships it to my 
> door for free.
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Overall, you probably won't notice a huge difference between them.  I much 
>> prefer the Thunderbolt to Ethernet though as I find the Thunderbolt to be a 
>> quicker transfer when dealing with HD's.  But, in the translation to 
>> ethernet, you really won't notice much of a difference.  Your call.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 20:08, Michael Babcock  wrote:
>> 
>> I have the macbook pro mid 2015 and now that i think about it that should 
>> have been thunderbolt or usb to ethernet
>> not firewire…
>> but will i see a noticeable difference between thunderbolt and USB3?
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Which Mac laptop do you have?  MacBook, MacBook Air or MacBook Pro.  Only 
>>> older MacBook Pros, and quite old MacBooks have Firewire.  USB to ethernet 
>>> would work for most of those, but the newer models would do better with a 
>>> Thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor instead.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 19:26, Michael Babcock  wrote:
>>> 
>>> good day:
>>> I was just offered a job threw amazon work from home.
>>> My macbook doesn’t have an ethernet port, and so i need to buy one of these 
>>> adaptors.
>>> does anyone have a suggestion for what one would be better to order?
>>> they are both the same price.
>>> best.
>>> michael
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Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

[michael babcock]

thanks for this, and of course i’ll go to amazon vs apple :) found a usb3 to 
ethernet for only $13 vs the $29 apple wants for it. Prime ships it to my door 
for free.
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Overall, you probably won't notice a huge difference between them.  I much 
> prefer the Thunderbolt to Ethernet though as I find the Thunderbolt to be a 
> quicker transfer when dealing with HD's.  But, in the translation to 
> ethernet, you really won't notice much of a difference.  Your call.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 20:08, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> I have the macbook pro mid 2015 and now that i think about it that should 
> have been thunderbolt or usb to ethernet
> not firewire…
> but will i see a noticeable difference between thunderbolt and USB3?
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Which Mac laptop do you have?  MacBook, MacBook Air or MacBook Pro.  Only 
>> older MacBook Pros, and quite old MacBooks have Firewire.  USB to ethernet 
>> would work for most of those, but the newer models would do better with a 
>> Thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor instead.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 19:26, Michael Babcock  wrote:
>> 
>> good day:
>> I was just offered a job threw amazon work from home.
>> My macbook doesn’t have an ethernet port, and so i need to buy one of these 
>> adaptors.
>> does anyone have a suggestion for what one would be better to order?
>> they are both the same price.
>> best.
>> michael
>> 
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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Uh, it is.  I guess I'm not getting your point, I apologize.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Kliphton Miller 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:17 PM
  Subject: Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts


  I thought command s was the command to save on the mac?


On Sep 21, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK, this is a little bit perplexing.

I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 
10.  All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact syncing 
enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi network, and 
all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.

On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, getting 
back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop interacting with 
the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then turns to an Edit 
button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.

Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I 
look in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.

I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, 
not in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears 
that the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid 
world is going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, 
you're absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... 
yes.  I am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID on 
that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many times. 
 How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going to system 
prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts is 
definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and back 
on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do with 
existing contacts, and I said merge.

I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't 
find them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index 
to the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are 
not showing up.

I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  So 
yeah... What on earth!

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Re: Tap Back in Messages on Sierra

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Seems the same here. Hopefully they make it accessible for Voiceover soon.
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:20 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
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> It doesn't seem to be accessible at the moment. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:27 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  > wrote:
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>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> One of the features listed is that you can do the tap backs in messages, 
>> like heart, thumbs up, thumbs down, etc.
>> 
>> How do we access this in Voiceover? I’m not seeing the option.
>> 
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Re: Apple in talks for take over bid of McLaren

[Scott Granados]

It would be more like an I-F1 or I-MP4-12C.:)

Apple could buy Ford or GM easily but instead they buy a super car company.  I 
like it!

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 8:18 PM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> AHah, Apple is obviously going to give google some competition for the self 
> driving automobile – the ACV! I can just see it now; an iBuick, an iChevy,  
> an iMustang, an iF150 or an iRam? 螺
> 
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> 
> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.5)
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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
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>> Well as much as I’d like to have an Apple powered formula 1 car or Apple car 
>> play in the P1:) I’m not sure what to think about this. McLaren is denying 
>> the claim but several sources confirm interest by Apple in the British super 
>> car maker.  The financial times and many other mainstream publications are 
>> carrying this news.  Here’s a pointer to the NYTimes article.
>> 
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/technology/apple-is-said-to-hold-talks-with-mclaren-and-lit-motors.html?_r=0
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Steve Jobs must be spinning in his grave being a Ferrari Man.:)  Saw him 
>> driving around Woodside and Cupertino more than once in his Red Ferrari F430 
>> with a custom Apple in the paint and no license plates.  (He was famous for 
>> driving with out license plates and switching out his cars every 6 months so 
>> he wouldn’t have to put a plate on his car)
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Re: Tap Back in Messages on Sierra

[Daniel Miller]

It doesn't seem to be accessible at the moment. 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:27 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
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> One of the features listed is that you can do the tap backs in messages, like 
> heart, thumbs up, thumbs down, etc.
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> How do we access this in Voiceover? I’m not seeing the option.
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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

[Scott Granados]

It’s to bad Chris is so out to lunch, I know the solution to this one but I 
won’t help him.  Tim, if you want to know or anyone else write me off list.
 

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hmmm.  Interesting indeed.  I'll have to do some testing as well. I'll get 
> back to you in a bit.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:12, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:
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> Yes it is.  Affirmative.
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Tim Kilburn 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts
>> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> On your Mac, in the Contacts app, under Preferences, General, way down near 
>> the bottom, is iCloud set as the default for new contacts?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK, this is a little bit perplexing.
>>  
>> I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 
>> 10.  All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact 
>> syncing enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi 
>> network, and all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.
>>  
>> On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
>> contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
>> ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
>> used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, 
>> getting back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop 
>> interacting with the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then 
>> turns to an Edit button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.
>>  
>> Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I 
>> look in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.
>>  
>> I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, 
>> not in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears 
>> that the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid 
>> world is going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, 
>> you're absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all 
>> devices... yes.  I am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on 
>> iOS, I went settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows 
>> my Apple ID on that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I 
>> have.  Many times.  How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the 
>> mac, I'm going to system prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services 
>> table, and contacts is definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices 
>> turning contacts off and back on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, 
>> I was asked what to do with existing contacts, and I said merge.
>>  
>> I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't 
>> find them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table 
>> index to the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and 
>> they are not showing up.
>>  
>> I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
>> signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  
>> So yeah... What on earth!
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

[Kliphton Miller]

I thought command s was the command to save on the mac?

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, this is a little bit perplexing.
>  
> I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 
> 10.  All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact 
> syncing enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi 
> network, and all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.
>  
> On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
> contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
> ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
> used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, 
> getting back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop 
> interacting with the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then 
> turns to an Edit button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.
>  
> Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I 
> look in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.
>  
> I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, not 
> in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears that 
> the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid world 
> is going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, you're 
> absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... yes.  
> I am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
> settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID 
> on that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many 
> times.  How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going 
> to system prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts 
> is definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and 
> back on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do 
> with existing contacts, and I said merge.
>  
> I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't find 
> them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index to 
> the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are 
> not showing up.
>  
> I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
> signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  
> So yeah... What on earth!
>  
> Chris.
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Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

[Scott Granados]

Also, look for the adapter on Amazon, it’s less expensive then from Apple 
direct.

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:12 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Overall, you probably won't notice a huge difference between them.  I much 
> prefer the Thunderbolt to Ethernet though as I find the Thunderbolt to be a 
> quicker transfer when dealing with HD's.  But, in the translation to 
> ethernet, you really won't notice much of a difference.  Your call.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 20:08, Michael Babcock  wrote:
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> I have the macbook pro mid 2015 and now that i think about it that should 
> have been thunderbolt or usb to ethernet
> not firewire…
> but will i see a noticeable difference between thunderbolt and USB3?
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Which Mac laptop do you have?  MacBook, MacBook Air or MacBook Pro.  Only 
>> older MacBook Pros, and quite old MacBooks have Firewire.  USB to ethernet 
>> would work for most of those, but the newer models would do better with a 
>> Thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor instead.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 19:26, Michael Babcock  wrote:
>> 
>> good day:
>> I was just offered a job threw amazon work from home.
>> My macbook doesn’t have an ethernet port, and so i need to buy one of these 
>> adaptors.
>> does anyone have a suggestion for what one would be better to order?
>> they are both the same price.
>> best.
>> michael
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Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Overall, you probably won't notice a huge difference between them.  I much 
prefer the Thunderbolt to Ethernet though as I find the Thunderbolt to be a 
quicker transfer when dealing with HD's.  But, in the translation to ethernet, 
you really won't notice much of a difference.  Your call.

Later...

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On Sep 21, 2016, at 20:08, Michael Babcock  wrote:

I have the macbook pro mid 2015 and now that i think about it that should have 
been thunderbolt or usb to ethernet
not firewire…
but will i see a noticeable difference between thunderbolt and USB3?

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Which Mac laptop do you have?  MacBook, MacBook Air or MacBook Pro.  Only 
> older MacBook Pros, and quite old MacBooks have Firewire.  USB to ethernet 
> would work for most of those, but the newer models would do better with a 
> Thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor instead.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 19:26, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> good day:
> I was just offered a job threw amazon work from home.
> My macbook doesn’t have an ethernet port, and so i need to buy one of these 
> adaptors.
> does anyone have a suggestion for what one would be better to order?
> they are both the same price.
> best.
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Re: Audio ducking off and on

[David Chittenden]

I have never experienced that, so do not have any more ideas.

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> On 22/09/2016, at 10:45, John JD Denning  wrote:
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> Yes, I've rebooted it several times since this is been a problem. I'm not 
> sure if it started with iOS 9 I think so. But couldn't swear to that.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Have you tried rebooting your iPhone?
>> 
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>>> On 22/09/2016, at 04:57, John JD Denning  wrote:
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>>> Greetings all, I have an annoyance that I hoped upgraded to iOS 10 would 
>>> resolve. I wonder what I might have set wrong. Often when ice flick up or 
>>> down I get audio ducking on, audio ducking off.
>>> 
>>> I made sure it's not in the rotor. But I can't get rid of the darn thing. 
>>> It's really annoying, when you flick up for something and instead of doing 
>>> the flick it says audio ducking on. Has anybody else experienced this? Is 
>>> there anyway to disable this audio ducking on and off swipe?
>>> 
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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Jef,

Which province are you in?  Just figuring out Time Zone things in case we may 
need to speak in person.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 18:25, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

So far, no joy!

I made the changes, but my network has completely crapped out on me.  As a 
result, I’ve undone everything I did, but things are still not working.

It seems that computers connected to the hub which is connected to the 1st Time 
Capsule are self-assigning ip addresses.  One is a Windows machine and one is a 
MacBook Pro.  I can’t figure out how to convince them to get their ip from the 
Time Capsule which is again set to  DHCP and NAT.  I’m fine with the problems 
for now, I just need to get my home network up and running again by tomorrow as 
I work from home.

I’ll try fiddling again on the weekend.  As it stands now, I’ve ben at this for 
4 hours and I’m frustrated.

Any thoughts?

Thx,
Jef

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver 
> their services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s being 
> broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They sell WiFi 
> access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I do think 
> they break off a separate channel structure but still if I want to be a 
> gateway for Comcast they can pay me for it.
> 
> Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does such things.
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting 
>> of your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up a 
>> roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two 
>> Time Capsules will play nice together.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I 
>> intend on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing 
>> things through my home network where I can control access and DNS.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would 
>>> provide the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time 
>>> Capsules would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you 
>>> know if your Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
>>> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
>>> be able to see each other.
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
 input your ideas.
 
 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in 
 to bridge mode.
 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
 use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
 
 At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
 correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
 will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
 in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve 
 the double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
 access point side.
 
 What do you think?
 
 Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
 modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
 
 Thoughts?
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> The 1st Time Capsule is:
> 
> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
> 
> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
> 
> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Bam, Tim scores!
>> 
>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable 
>> modem 

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Jef,

OK.  It sounds like Bell may have some odd things going on with their 
modem/router.  Scott and Jonathan may have had a point with respect to how many 
machines that they are accepting through their device.  Jerks.  That refers to 
Bell, not Scott or Jonathan :).  Let's do the following:

1.  TC #1, set with DHCP and NAT.  In the status, it may report an error, but 
you can tell the TC to ignore that error in Airport Utility.  Also, make sure 
that the ethernet cable goes into the WAN port which is the one closest to the 
USB port on your TC.
2.  Connect TC #2 to the hub like before, but make sure that TC #2 has the 
ethernet going into its WAN port as well.
3.  Make sure that TC #2 is in Bridge mode.
4.  turn off the wireless broadcasting on the Bell if you can.
5.  Make sure that both TC's have the same wireless SSID, same security and 
same password for the WiFi signal.  The actual TC configuration passwords are 
immaterial.

Please eMail me the IP addresses for each device if you can.  That is, WAN and 
LAN addresses as well as the router address of each of the Bell device, TC #1 
and TC #2.  In Airport Utility, under the Internet tab, you can find the extra 
info I'm hoping for.  The WAN and LAN can usually be found on the front page of 
the Airport Utility for each TC but the router info is found under the Internet 
tab.

Hope things get worked out quick for you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 18:25, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

So far, no joy!

I made the changes, but my network has completely crapped out on me.  As a 
result, I’ve undone everything I did, but things are still not working.

It seems that computers connected to the hub which is connected to the 1st Time 
Capsule are self-assigning ip addresses.  One is a Windows machine and one is a 
MacBook Pro.  I can’t figure out how to convince them to get their ip from the 
Time Capsule which is again set to  DHCP and NAT.  I’m fine with the problems 
for now, I just need to get my home network up and running again by tomorrow as 
I work from home.

I’ll try fiddling again on the weekend.  As it stands now, I’ve ben at this for 
4 hours and I’m frustrated.

Any thoughts?

Thx,
Jef

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver 
> their services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s being 
> broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They sell WiFi 
> access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I do think 
> they break off a separate channel structure but still if I want to be a 
> gateway for Comcast they can pay me for it.
> 
> Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does such things.
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting 
>> of your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up a 
>> roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two 
>> Time Capsules will play nice together.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I 
>> intend on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing 
>> things through my home network where I can control access and DNS.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would 
>>> provide the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time 
>>> Capsules would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you 
>>> know if your Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
>>> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
>>> be able to see each other.
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
 input your ideas.
 
 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in 
 to bridge mode.
 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the 

Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

[Michael Babcock]

I have the macbook pro mid 2015 and now that i think about it that should have 
been thunderbolt or usb to ethernet
not firewire…
but will i see a noticeable difference between thunderbolt and USB3?

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Which Mac laptop do you have?  MacBook, MacBook Air or MacBook Pro.  Only 
> older MacBook Pros, and quite old MacBooks have Firewire.  USB to ethernet 
> would work for most of those, but the newer models would do better with a 
> Thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor instead.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 19:26, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> good day:
> I was just offered a job threw amazon work from home.
> My macbook doesn’t have an ethernet port, and so i need to buy one of these 
> adaptors.
> does anyone have a suggestion for what one would be better to order?
> they are both the same price.
> best.
> michael
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Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Which Mac laptop do you have?  MacBook, MacBook Air or MacBook Pro.  Only older 
MacBook Pros, and quite old MacBooks have Firewire.  USB to ethernet would work 
for most of those, but the newer models would do better with a Thunderbolt to 
Ethernet adaptor instead.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 19:26, Michael Babcock  wrote:

good day:
I was just offered a job threw amazon work from home.
My macbook doesn’t have an ethernet port, and so i need to buy one of these 
adaptors.
does anyone have a suggestion for what one would be better to order?
they are both the same price.
best.
michael

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Voiceover Won't Speak while Fresh Installing Sierra

[James Lee]

I created a bootable usb drive, and tried to fresh install Sierra on 
Macbook Pro 2015. However, the Voiceover wouldn't speak except Voiceover 
off, and installer launching in the background.
I had to get a sited person to help to install. The person described that 
the voiceover cursor is there, but it just won't speak. Is anyone having 
this problem?

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Tap Back in Messages on Sierra

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Hi everyone,

One of the features listed is that you can do the tap backs in messages, like 
heart, thumbs up, thumbs down, etc.

How do we access this in Voiceover? I’m not seeing the option.

Brandon 

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do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

[Michael Babcock]

good day:
I was just offered a job threw amazon work from home.
My macbook doesn’t have an ethernet port, and so i need to buy one of these 
adaptors.
does anyone have a suggestion for what one would be better to order?
they are both the same price.
best.
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Related to my Installing fresh system, disk utility

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

I still have my problem the same. and I read the online help in the
table that allow me to install the system etc.
now, I opened the disk utility, I have only 1 hd in the selected disks table.
but I found  many things to choose from in this table.
1tb apple hdd and it has all the size of my internal hard.
macintosh hd expanded 0 items closed.
1st aid, or something, I can not here will.
disk 1 expanded.
Mac os bass  system.

what are these? and is there something that I did not touch? and what
thing should I format?
Thanks



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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

So far, no joy!

I made the changes, but my network has completely crapped out on me.  As a 
result, I’ve undone everything I did, but things are still not working.

It seems that computers connected to the hub which is connected to the 1st Time 
Capsule are self-assigning ip addresses.  One is a Windows machine and one is a 
MacBook Pro.  I can’t figure out how to convince them to get their ip from the 
Time Capsule which is again set to  DHCP and NAT.  I’m fine with the problems 
for now, I just need to get my home network up and running again by tomorrow as 
I work from home.

I’ll try fiddling again on the weekend.  As it stands now, I’ve ben at this for 
4 hours and I’m frustrated.

Any thoughts?

Thx,
Jef

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver 
> their services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s being 
> broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They sell WiFi 
> access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I do think 
> they break off a separate channel structure but still if I want to be a 
> gateway for Comcast they can pay me for it.
> 
> Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does such things.
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting 
>> of your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up a 
>> roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two 
>> Time Capsules will play nice together.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I 
>> intend on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing 
>> things through my home network where I can control access and DNS.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would 
>>> provide the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time 
>>> Capsules would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you 
>>> know if your Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
>>> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
>>> be able to see each other.
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
 input your ideas.
 
 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in 
 to bridge mode.
 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
 use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
 
 At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
 correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
 will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
 in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve 
 the double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
 access point side.
 
 What do you think?
 
 Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
 modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
 
 Thoughts?
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> The 1st Time Capsule is:
> 
> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
> 
> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
> 
> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Bam, Tim scores!
>> 
>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable 
>> modem is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an 
>> inside IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time 
>> capsule if you don’t mind?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick 

Re: Notification of a new OS

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi.  
Tou will need to search for it and download it like an app. It is also at the 
top of the featured tab in the app store. 
Aleeha 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> should we receive notification there is a new version of the Mac OS? I know 
> Sierra is out but I see nothing in updates.
> Thanks for any help.
> Max.
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Re: Apple in talks for take over bid of McLaren

[Bill Gallik]

AHah, Apple is obviously going to give google some competition for the self 
driving automobile – the ACV! I can just see it now; an iBuick, an iChevy,  an 
iMustang, an iF150 or an iRam? 螺



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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Well as much as I’d like to have an Apple powered formula 1 car or Apple car 
> play in the P1:) I’m not sure what to think about this. McLaren is denying 
> the claim but several sources confirm interest by Apple in the British super 
> car maker.  The financial times and many other mainstream publications are 
> carrying this news.  Here’s a pointer to the NYTimes article.
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/technology/apple-is-said-to-hold-talks-with-mclaren-and-lit-motors.html?_r=0
> 
> 
> Steve Jobs must be spinning in his grave being a Ferrari Man.:)  Saw him 
> driving around Woodside and Cupertino more than once in his Red Ferrari F430 
> with a custom Apple in the paint and no license plates.  (He was famous for 
> driving with out license plates and switching out his cars every 6 months so 
> he wouldn’t have to put a plate on his car)
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Notification of a new OS

[Agent086b]

Hi all,
should we receive notification there is a new version of the Mac OS? I know 
Sierra is out but I see nothing in updates.
Thanks for any help.
Max.

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Re: Voiceover Slow

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Absolutely no need for an apology; that isn't necessary.  It's quite OK, my 
friend.  You simply were trying to help as well.  Thank you for your 
efforts.

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow


Hi!
Yes, i am sorry.
I happend to read his messages when mine was sent.
Thats the way it is i think.
Sadly.
/A
On 22 Sep 2016, at 01:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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Yeah, but that just throws you back over to where Tim was describing to 
go. It's just another path to reach that exact same screen in the long 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow


Hi!
You can also change this somewhere else.
You go into system prefs and time and date.
Then check the clock tab and click the lock to make changes.
Select customize voice.
Good luck.
/A
On 22 Sep 2016, at 00:41, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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Uh, it's checked on my end.  How would that make it not work?  If I 
uncheck it, then check the time, Voiceover indeed is! incredibly slow. 
Once I check it, it speaks at the same rate as my Voiceover.  I'm just 
trying to help. Shruggs.  Sorry.


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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow


Then it couldn’t work at all, though. So I don’t think that’s it?
On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Go into Voiceover Utility.  On the general tab, make sure allow 
Voiceover to be controlled by Apple script is checked.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:25 PM
Subject: Voiceover Slow


Hi,

I just upgraded to Sierra.

Everything’s great, but when I do something like option-T to check the 
time, Voiceover speaks very slowly. My usual rate is a lot faster, but 
when I run some script to speak something, that voice is very slow. How 
can I change this?


Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: Voiceover Slow

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes, i am sorry.
I happend to read his messages when mine was sent.
Thats the way it is i think.
Sadly.
/A
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 01:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> 
> Yeah, but that just throws you back over to where Tim was describing to go. 
> It's just another path to reach that exact same screen in the long run.
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> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
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> Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow
> 
> 
> Hi!
> You can also change this somewhere else.
> You go into system prefs and time and date.
> Then check the clock tab and click the lock to make changes.
> Select customize voice.
> Good luck.
> /A
>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 00:41, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Uh, it's checked on my end.  How would that make it not work?  If I uncheck 
>> it, then check the time, Voiceover indeed is! incredibly slow. Once I check 
>> it, it speaks at the same rate as my Voiceover.  I'm just trying to help. 
>> Shruggs.  Sorry.
>> 
>> Sometimes...
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>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>> 
>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow
>> 
>> 
>> Then it couldn’t work at all, though. So I don’t think that’s it?
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Go into Voiceover Utility.  On the general tab, make sure allow Voiceover 
>>> to be controlled by Apple script is checked.
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>>> 
>>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:25 PM
>>> Subject: Voiceover Slow
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I just upgraded to Sierra.
>>> 
>>> Everything’s great, but when I do something like option-T to check the 
>>> time, Voiceover speaks very slowly. My usual rate is a lot faster, but when 
>>> I run some script to speak something, that voice is very slow. How can I 
>>> change this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brandon
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Re: Voiceover Slow

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, but that just throws you back over to where Tim was describing to go. 
It's just another path to reach that exact same screen in the long run.

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To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow


Hi!
You can also change this somewhere else.
You go into system prefs and time and date.
Then check the clock tab and click the lock to make changes.
Select customize voice.
Good luck.
/A
On 22 Sep 2016, at 00:41, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Uh, it's checked on my end.  How would that make it not work?  If I 
uncheck it, then check the time, Voiceover indeed is! incredibly slow. 
Once I check it, it speaks at the same rate as my Voiceover.  I'm just 
trying to help. Shruggs.  Sorry.


Sometimes...
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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow


Then it couldn’t work at all, though. So I don’t think that’s it?
On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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Go into Voiceover Utility.  On the general tab, make sure allow Voiceover 
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- Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 


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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:25 PM
Subject: Voiceover Slow


Hi,

I just upgraded to Sierra.

Everything’s great, but when I do something like option-T to check the 
time, Voiceover speaks very slowly. My usual rate is a lot faster, but 
when I run some script to speak something, that voice is very slow. How 
can I change this?


Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: macos sierra accessibility especially with braille how is it so far?

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

Everything seems to be working fine here.  I do how ever have a strange thing 
where vo will jump to the last message in a thread in mail but our all thing 
work just fine here.

Matthew


> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:
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> I'm not hitting any issues with anything here. The copy and paste thing is 
> neat but I don't use Siri so I can't comment on that. I might screw around 
> with it just to see how well it learns things, but I don't need dictation 
> enough to care, because often the times when it would be useful, it tends to 
> be too noisy where I'm at to dictate.
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Re: Voiceover Slow

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You can also change this somewhere else.
You go into system prefs and time and date.
Then check the clock tab and click the lock to make changes.
Select customize voice.
Good luck.
/A
> On 22 Sep 2016,at 00:41, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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> Uh, it's checked on my end.  How would that make it not work?  If I uncheck 
> it, then check the time, Voiceover indeed is! incredibly slow.  Once I check 
> it, it speaks at the same rate as my Voiceover.  I'm just trying to help. 
> Shruggs.  Sorry.
> 
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> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
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> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow
> 
> 
> Then it couldn’t work at all, though. So I don’t think that’s it?
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Go into Voiceover Utility.  On the general tab, make sure allow Voiceover to 
>> be controlled by Apple script is checked.
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>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>> 
>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:25 PM
>> Subject: Voiceover Slow
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I just upgraded to Sierra.
>> 
>> Everything’s great, but when I do something like option-T to check the time, 
>> Voiceover speaks very slowly. My usual rate is a lot faster, but when I run 
>> some script to speak something, that voice is very slow. How can I change 
>> this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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Re: Voiceover Slow

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes, you're right, but for some odd reason, at least on my end, if I uncheck 
that box I mentioned, Voiceover gets really really really slow when speaking 
the time, then when I check it back, it goes back to normal.  This is why I 
thought maybe that was what was going on.  Don't ask me why on my end it's 
this way, but, it is, alas.  As I said, was just trying to help.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Kilburn" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow


Hi,

the Option-t command seems to use the System voice instead of VO.  So, to 
change this rate, go into System Preferences, Accessibility, then interact 
with the table and navigate down to Speech.  Stop interacting with the table 
and locate the Stepper.  It's usually defaulted around 50%.  Interact with 
it then increase to your desired speed.  You may need to go up into the 90s 
to get it to your liking.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 16:41, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Uh, it's checked on my end.  How would that make it not work?  If I uncheck 
it, then check the time, Voiceover indeed is! incredibly slow.  Once I check 
it, it speaks at the same rate as my Voiceover.  I'm just trying to help. 
Shruggs.  Sorry.


Sometimes...
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- Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 


To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow


Then it couldn’t work at all, though. So I don’t think that’s it?
On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Go into Voiceover Utility.  On the general tab, make sure allow Voiceover 
to be controlled by Apple script is checked.

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- Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 


To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:25 PM
Subject: Voiceover Slow


Hi,

I just upgraded to Sierra.

Everything’s great, but when I do something like option-T to check the 
time, Voiceover speaks very slowly. My usual rate is a lot faster, but 
when I run some script to speak something, that voice is very slow. How 
can I change this?


Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: Audio ducking off and on

[John JD Denning]

Yes, I've rebooted it several times since this is been a problem. I'm not sure 
if it started with iOS 9 I think so. But couldn't swear to that.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Have you tried rebooting your iPhone?
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>> On 22/09/2016, at 04:57, John JD Denning  wrote:
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>> Greetings all, I have an annoyance that I hoped upgraded to iOS 10 would 
>> resolve. I wonder what I might have set wrong. Often when ice flick up or 
>> down I get audio ducking on, audio ducking off.
>> 
>> I made sure it's not in the rotor. But I can't get rid of the darn thing. 
>> It's really annoying, when you flick up for something and instead of doing 
>> the flick it says audio ducking on. Has anybody else experienced this? Is 
>> there anyway to disable this audio ducking on and off swipe?
>> 
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Re: Voiceover Slow

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

the Option-t command seems to use the System voice instead of VO.  So, to 
change this rate, go into System Preferences, Accessibility, then interact with 
the table and navigate down to Speech.  Stop interacting with the table and 
locate the Stepper.  It's usually defaulted around 50%.  Interact with it then 
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to your liking.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 16:41, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Uh, it's checked on my end.  How would that make it not work?  If I uncheck it, 
then check the time, Voiceover indeed is! incredibly slow.  Once I check it, it 
speaks at the same rate as my Voiceover.  I'm just trying to help. Shruggs.  
Sorry.

Sometimes...
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- Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 

To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow


Then it couldn’t work at all, though. So I don’t think that’s it?
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> 
> Go into Voiceover Utility.  On the general tab, make sure allow Voiceover to 
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> 
> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:25 PM
> Subject: Voiceover Slow
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just upgraded to Sierra.
> 
> Everything’s great, but when I do something like option-T to check the time, 
> Voiceover speaks very slowly. My usual rate is a lot faster, but when I run 
> some script to speak something, that voice is very slow. How can I change 
> this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: Voiceover Slow

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Uh, it's checked on my end.  How would that make it not work?  If I uncheck 
it, then check the time, Voiceover indeed is! incredibly slow.  Once I check 
it, it speaks at the same rate as my Voiceover.  I'm just trying to help. 
Shruggs.  Sorry.


Sometimes...
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To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Voiceover Slow


Then it couldn’t work at all, though. So I don’t think that’s it?
On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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Go into Voiceover Utility.  On the general tab, make sure allow Voiceover 
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- Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 


To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:25 PM
Subject: Voiceover Slow


Hi,

I just upgraded to Sierra.

Everything’s great, but when I do something like option-T to check the 
time, Voiceover speaks very slowly. My usual rate is a lot faster, but 
when I run some script to speak something, that voice is very slow. How 
can I change this?


Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: Voiceover Slow

[E.T.]

   Might be that script is not compatible with Sierra?

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On 9/21/2016 3:33 PM, Brandon A. Olivares wrote:

Then it couldn’t work at all, though. So I don’t think that’s it?

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Go into Voiceover Utility.  On the general tab, make sure allow Voiceover to be 
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- Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 

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Subject: Voiceover Slow


Hi,

I just upgraded to Sierra.

Everything’s great, but when I do something like option-T to check the time, 
Voiceover speaks very slowly. My usual rate is a lot faster, but when I run 
some script to speak something, that voice is very slow. How can I change this?

Thanks,
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Re: Voiceover Slow

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Then it couldn’t work at all, though. So I don’t think that’s it?
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> Go into Voiceover Utility.  On the general tab, make sure allow Voiceover to 
> be controlled by Apple script is checked.
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> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just upgraded to Sierra.
> 
> Everything’s great, but when I do something like option-T to check the time, 
> Voiceover speaks very slowly. My usual rate is a lot faster, but when I run 
> some script to speak something, that voice is very slow. How can I change 
> this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: Voiceover Slow

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Go into Voiceover Utility.  On the general tab, make sure allow Voiceover to 
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From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 

To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:25 PM
Subject: Voiceover Slow


Hi,

I just upgraded to Sierra.

Everything’s great, but when I do something like option-T to check the time, 
Voiceover speaks very slowly. My usual rate is a lot faster, but when I run 
some script to speak something, that voice is very slow. How can I change 
this?


Thanks,
Brandon

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Voiceover Slow

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Hi,

I just upgraded to Sierra.

Everything’s great, but when I do something like option-T to check the time, 
Voiceover speaks very slowly. My usual rate is a lot faster, but when I run 
some script to speak something, that voice is very slow. How can I change this?

Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: Temperature?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

The app I used to use doesn't appear to work properly anymore.  There's a 
Notification Centre Widget called Fanny that puts basic info up in the 
Notification Centre, but not as detailed as you were asking for.  It does fan 
speed and overall CPU temp.  I have 4 cores and it only gave me one temp.  
There's supposedly another one in the App Store called "Monit", but I couldn't 
check it as it wasn't available in the Canadian AppStore.  I believe it is more 
detailed, but can't confirm.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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Yeah, if you could check, that would be great.  I obviously could do the same, 
and am willing to.  I just didn't know if you all knew off hand before I went 
rummaging around, if there was anything that was definitely 
recommended/accessible.
 
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> From: Jonathan C. Cohn 
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Temperature?
> 
> I think there's a battery meter app in the App Store that does some of this. 
> I think they have other things from that same vendor. I don't have my 
> Macintosh want me to check.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I used to use a product called Temperature Monitor.  Not sure if it's still 
>> out there or if it is compatible with newer MacOS's, but it was accessible 
>> and was able to read all the sensors that mattered.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Are there any good, key word, free, as I don't have any money to spare right 
>> now, apps that will accessibly with Voiceover let me see the current 
>> temperature of all the cores on my mac, as well as the temp of my battery?  
>> It's a long story, but I'm in urgent need of such utility.  It could at this 
>> point mean the difference in me having a system that catches fire or not.  
>> I'm leaving the system off until I can find a tool where I quickly can look 
>> at a few things.
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I seem to recall about half a year ago having this same problem.  What's really 
weird is, if I add a contact from iOS, then, it definitely! does show on my 
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  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:36 PM
  Subject: Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts


  Hmmm.  Interesting indeed.  I'll have to do some testing as well. I'll get 
back to you in a bit.


  Later...


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  On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:12, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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  Yes it is.  Affirmative.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts


Chris,


On your Mac, in the Contacts app, under Preferences, General, way down near 
the bottom, is iCloud set as the default for new contacts?


Later...


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OK, this is a little bit perplexing.

I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 
10.  All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact syncing 
enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi network, and 
all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.

On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, getting 
back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop interacting with 
the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then turns to an Edit 
button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.

Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I 
look in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.

I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, 
not in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears 
that the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid 
world is going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, 
you're absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... 
yes.  I am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID on 
that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many times. 
 How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going to system 
prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts is 
definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and back 
on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do with 
existing contacts, and I said merge.

I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't 
find them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index 
to the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are 
not showing up.

I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  So 
yeah... What on earth!

Chris.


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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

[Tim Kilburn]

Hmmm.  Interesting indeed.  I'll have to do some testing as well. I'll get back 
to you in a bit.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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Yes it is.  Affirmative.
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> From: Tim Kilburn 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts
> 
> Chris,
> 
> On your Mac, in the Contacts app, under Preferences, General, way down near 
> the bottom, is iCloud set as the default for new contacts?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:
> 
> OK, this is a little bit perplexing.
>  
> I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 
> 10.  All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact 
> syncing enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi 
> network, and all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.
>  
> On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
> contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
> ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
> used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, 
> getting back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop 
> interacting with the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then 
> turns to an Edit button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.
>  
> Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I 
> look in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.
>  
> I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, not 
> in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears that 
> the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid world 
> is going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, you're 
> absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... yes.  
> I am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
> settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID 
> on that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many 
> times.  How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going 
> to system prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts 
> is definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and 
> back on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do 
> with existing contacts, and I said merge.
>  
> I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't find 
> them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index to 
> the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are 
> not showing up.
>  
> I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
> signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  
> So yeah... What on earth!
>  
> Chris.
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sierra upgrade not allowing me to login

[lscrivani]

 I upgraded to sierra last night and all was fine, this morning however, it 
was prompting me for a username  and a password, I suppose.  I was not able 
to enter either one.   command + f5 enabled me to put on voice and turn it 
off the escape key turned off voice , , but nothing else worked.  Doing a 
hard boot brought me to a login as though, I needed password help, but that 
was unsuccessful.  During this time, I called apple tech support and they 
were unsuccessful as well.  But they did say that this problem   seems to be 
happening often,  voice over.They only option they had was to bring it 
into a apple store, for tech help.
  Is their any work around say, if I were to create a boot thumb drive 
or something of the sought?

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Re: Audio ducking off and on

[David Chittenden]

Have you tried rebooting your iPhone?

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> down I get audio ducking on, audio ducking off.
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> I made sure it's not in the rotor. But I can't get rid of the darn thing. 
> It's really annoying, when you flick up for something and instead of doing 
> the flick it says audio ducking on. Has anybody else experienced this? Is 
> there anyway to disable this audio ducking on and off swipe?
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Re: Temperature?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, if you could check, that would be great.  I obviously could do the same, 
and am willing to.  I just didn't know if you all knew off hand before I went 
rummaging around, if there was anything that was definitely 
recommended/accessible.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan C. Cohn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Temperature?


  I think there's a battery meter app in the App Store that does some of this. 
I think they have other things from that same vendor. I don't have my Macintosh 
want me to check.

  Best wishes,


  Jonathan Cohn 

  On Sep 21, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:


Hi,


I used to use a product called Temperature Monitor.  Not sure if it's still 
out there or if it is compatible with newer MacOS's, but it was accessible and 
was able to read all the sensors that mattered.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Are there any good, key word, free, as I don't have any money to spare 
right now, apps that will accessibly with Voiceover let me see the current 
temperature of all the cores on my mac, as well as the temp of my battery?  
It's a long story, but I'm in urgent need of such utility.  It could at this 
point mean the difference in me having a system that catches fire or not.  I'm 
leaving the system off until I can find a tool where I quickly can look at a 
few things.

Chris.


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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes it is.  Affirmative.
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  Subject: Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts


  Chris,


  On your Mac, in the Contacts app, under Preferences, General, way down near 
the bottom, is iCloud set as the default for new contacts?


  Later...


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  On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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  OK, this is a little bit perplexing.

  I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 
10.  All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact syncing 
enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi network, and 
all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.

  On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, getting 
back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop interacting with 
the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then turns to an Edit 
button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.

  Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I 
look in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.

  I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, not 
in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears that 
the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid world is 
going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, you're 
absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... yes.  I 
am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID on 
that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many times. 
 How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going to system 
prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts is 
definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and back 
on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do with 
existing contacts, and I said merge.

  I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't find 
them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index to 
the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are not 
showing up.

  I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  So 
yeah... What on earth!

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Re: Temperature?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That's such a vague name, Tim, would you by chance happen to know who made the 
app?  I'll look, if not.

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  Subject: Re: Temperature?


  Hi,


  I used to use a product called Temperature Monitor.  Not sure if it's still 
out there or if it is compatible with newer MacOS's, but it was accessible and 
was able to read all the sensors that mattered.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
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  On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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  Are there any good, key word, free, as I don't have any money to spare right 
now, apps that will accessibly with Voiceover let me see the current 
temperature of all the cores on my mac, as well as the temp of my battery?  
It's a long story, but I'm in urgent need of such utility.  It could at this 
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Re: Temperature?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I think there's a battery meter app in the App Store that does some of this. I 
think they have other things from that same vendor. I don't have my Macintosh 
want me to check.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I used to use a product called Temperature Monitor.  Not sure if it's still 
> out there or if it is compatible with newer MacOS's, but it was accessible 
> and was able to read all the sensors that mattered.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> Are there any good, key word, free, as I don't have any money to spare right 
> now, apps that will accessibly with Voiceover let me see the current 
> temperature of all the cores on my mac, as well as the temp of my battery?  
> It's a long story, but I'm in urgent need of such utility.  It could at this 
> point mean the difference in me having a system that catches fire or not.  
> I'm leaving the system off until I can find a tool where I quickly can look 
> at a few things.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

[Tim Kilburn]

Chris,

On your Mac, in the Contacts app, under Preferences, General, way down near the 
bottom, is iCloud set as the default for new contacts?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 15:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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OK, this is a little bit perplexing.
 
I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 10. 
 All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact syncing 
enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi network, and 
all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.
 
On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, getting 
back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop interacting with 
the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then turns to an Edit 
button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.
 
Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I look 
in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.
 
I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, not 
in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears that 
the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid world is 
going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, you're 
absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... yes.  I 
am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID on 
that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many times. 
 How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going to system 
prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts is 
definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and back 
on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do with 
existing contacts, and I said merge.
 
I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't find 
them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index to 
the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are not 
showing up.
 
I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  So 
yeah... What on earth!
 
Chris.

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Re: Temperature?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I used to use a product called Temperature Monitor.  Not sure if it's still out 
there or if it is compatible with newer MacOS's, but it was accessible and was 
able to read all the sensors that mattered.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Are there any good, key word, free, as I don't have any money to spare right 
now, apps that will accessibly with Voiceover let me see the current 
temperature of all the cores on my mac, as well as the temp of my battery?  
It's a long story, but I'm in urgent need of such utility.  It could at this 
point mean the difference in me having a system that catches fire or not.  I'm 
leaving the system off until I can find a tool where I quickly can look at a 
few things.
 
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Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, this is a little bit perplexing.

I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 10. 
 All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact syncing 
enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi network, and 
all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.

On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, getting 
back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop interacting with 
the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then turns to an Edit 
button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.

Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I look 
in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.

I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, not 
in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears that 
the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid world is 
going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, you're 
absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... yes.  I 
am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID on 
that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many times. 
 How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going to system 
prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts is 
definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and back 
on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do with 
existing contacts, and I said merge.

I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't find 
them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index to 
the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are not 
showing up.

I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  So 
yeah... What on earth!

Chris.

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Re: question about contacts in mail

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Hello Laura, this is the way I do it. I navigate to the field that I want to 
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the first letter, I'm the contact that I want. Then once I select a, with Down 
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> All,
> What is the best way to select contacts to add to an email message in mail? 
> I am needing to select many contacts that are not in one group and cannot 
> figure out the best way to get the email addresses from contacts to the mail 
> message. So any help would be great!
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Temperature?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Are there any good, key word, free, as I don't have any money to spare right 
now, apps that will accessibly with Voiceover let me see the current 
temperature of all the cores on my mac, as well as the temp of my battery?  
It's a long story, but I'm in urgent need of such utility.  It could at this 
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Re: macos sierra accessibility especially with braille how is it so far?

[Scott Granados]

I also agree, I haven’t tested brail much yet but the over all update has been 
a very good one.  Make sure all the tools you use and programs are compatible 
with sierra though that’s the only caveat.  My encryption software for mail 
doesn’t work yet but everything else so far is rock solid.

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:57 PM, christopher hallsworth  
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> Oh really? Sounds amazing!
>> On 21 Sep 2016, at 19:44, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>> 
>> I can just say that now I am really happy. Very good experience with braille!
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Daniela Rubio T
>> Apple Distinguished Educator
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> El 21 sept 2016, a las 20:27, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  escribió:
>>> 
>>> Don’t use Braille on mac, Sierra overall very good, Safari much better 
>>> according to Applevis and I can see that, Apple has fixed many VoiceOver 
>>> bugs present El Capitan and earlier, highly recommended.
 On 21 Sep 2016, at 17:54, Anouk Radix  wrote:
 
 Hi For the early adopters,
 How is sierrra turning out accessibilitywise especially with braille?
 I am fairly satisfied with el capitain so far but woul dlove to use the 
 new copy and paste and siri.
 Safari for th emoment is not so good, i have to restart voiceover a lot to 
 get pages to refresh so I hope that gets better with sierra.
 I want to wait for finereader to be updated first but still always nice to 
 hear how htings are.
 Thanks in advance for any information,
 Greetings, Anouk,
 
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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver their 
services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s being 
broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They sell WiFi 
access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I do think they 
break off a separate channel structure but still if I want to be a gateway for 
Comcast they can pay me for it.

Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does such things.

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting of 
> your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up a 
> roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two Time 
> Capsules will play nice together.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I 
> intend on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing 
> things through my home network where I can control access and DNS.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would 
>> provide the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time 
>> Capsules would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you know 
>> if your Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
>> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
>> be able to see each other.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
>>> input your ideas.
>>> 
>>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in 
>>> to bridge mode.
>>> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
>>> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
>>> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
>>> 
>>> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
>>> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
>>> will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
>>> in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the 
>>> double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
>>> access point side.
>>> 
>>> What do you think?
>>> 
>>> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
>>> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick > wrote:
 
 The 1st Time Capsule is:
 
 ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
 
 The 2nd Time Capsule is:
 
 IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
 
 Jeff
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Bam, Tim scores!
> 
> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable 
> modem is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an 
> inside IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time 
> capsule if you don’t mind?
> 
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the 
>>> Airport Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is 
>>> in Bridge mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't 
>>> put their devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>>> 
>>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via 

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

I appreciate everybody’s assistance on this.  I’ll let you know how it goes.
Thx,
Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Great question, yes they would be on the same network.  The head end cable 
> device will be the one providing the services and the airports will be 
> providing bridging or access point like functionality only.  Everything 
> should see everything else.
>  
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
>> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
>> be able to see each other.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
>>> input your ideas.
>>> 
>>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in 
>>> to bridge mode.
>>> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
>>> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
>>> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
>>> 
>>> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
>>> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
>>> will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
>>> in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the 
>>> double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
>>> access point side.
>>> 
>>> What do you think?
>>> 
>>> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
>>> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick > wrote:
 
 The 1st Time Capsule is:
 
 ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
 
 The 2nd Time Capsule is:
 
 IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
 
 Jeff
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Bam, Tim scores!
> 
> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable 
> modem is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an 
> inside IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time 
> capsule if you don’t mind?
> 
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the 
>>> Airport Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is 
>>> in Bridge mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't 
>>> put their devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>>> 
>>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>>> 
>>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
>>> connects to my Fibe TV.
>>> 
>>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same 
>>> SSID; however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 
>>> 2nd is set to Bridge mode.
>>> 
>>> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
>>> intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
>>> 
>>> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at 
>>> its status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 John, I think you’re on to something here.
 
 Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
 
 Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is 
 probably locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
 From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time 
 capsule set up to receive a DHCP 

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Jeff,

I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting of 
your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up a 
roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two Time 
Capsules will play nice together.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I intend 
on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing things through 
my home network where I can control access and DNS.

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would 
> provide the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time 
> Capsules would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you know 
> if your Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
> be able to see each other.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
>> input your ideas.
>> 
>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
>> bridge mode.
>> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
>> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
>> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
>> 
>> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
>> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
>> will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
>> in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the 
>> double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
>> access point side.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
>> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 1st Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
>>> 
>>> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Bam, Tim scores!
 
 Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
 is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside 
 IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
 don’t mind?
 
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the 
>> Airport Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is 
>> in Bridge mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put 
>> their devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>> 
>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>> 
>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
>> connects to my Fibe TV.
>> 
>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
>> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is 
>> set to Bridge mode.
>> 
>> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
>> intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
>> 
>> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at 
>> its status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
>> 

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Great question, yes they would be on the same network.  The head end cable 
device will be the one providing the services and the airports will be 
providing bridging or access point like functionality only.  Everything should 
see everything else.
 

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
> be able to see each other.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
>> input your ideas.
>> 
>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
>> bridge mode.
>> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
>> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
>> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
>> 
>> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
>> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
>> will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
>> in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the 
>> double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
>> access point side.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
>> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 1st Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
>>> 
>>> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Bam, Tim scores!
 
 Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
 is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside 
 IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
 don’t mind?
 
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the 
>> Airport Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is 
>> in Bridge mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put 
>> their devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>> 
>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>> 
>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
>> connects to my Fibe TV.
>> 
>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
>> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is 
>> set to Bridge mode.
>> 
>> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
>> intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
>> 
>> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at 
>> its status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> John, I think you’re on to something here.
>>> 
>>> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
>>> 
>>> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is 
>>> probably locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>>> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time 
>>> capsule set up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out 
>>> addresses inside from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if 
>>> memory serves.
>>> Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule 
>>> connection.  Does the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying 
>>> to have each time capsule reach the 

Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[Scott Granados]

Well the good news is if you forget you can just attach your disk and wait a 
while and everything will be caught up to the point just before you start your 
upgrade.  YOu’d want to do this anyway.  You can leave it attached and back up 
hourly as well.

I would do the same thing.  Pick up a disk for $100 and problem solved.

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:02 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Thank you. I like the automated backup idea so will look into it. I mean, I 
> am known to forget to backup until it’s necessary such as updating from El 
> Capitan to Sierra.
>> On 21 Sep 2016, at 19:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> No excuse needed, great question.
>> 
>> It all depends on what you want to accomplish and the value of your data.  
>> If you just have a few flat files with important data or pictures, things 
>> like that, maybe tax returns or what ever your method works just fine with 
>> the idea if you ever do lose a disk you’ll have to reinstall the OS and all 
>> your software by hand.
>> 
>> If you want something more automated and a little more fire and forget then 
>> maybe Time Machine makes sense.  You can back up on your external disk and 
>> if needed use multiple disks and take one off site if you’re really 
>> concerned about your data and there’s a lot to protect.
>>  If you’ve got real concerns about off site and you need your data 
>> backed up quickly you might want to go with a backup service that downloads 
>> your data and stores in the cloud.
>>  If you have more than one machine to back up then a network attached 
>> storage makes sense.  Say you have 3 computers in your home, instead of a 
>> disk for each you can get one larger network attached drive and backup your 
>> machines there all at the same time, no swapping of disks.
>> 
>> All depends on how much your data is worth by that i mean someone securing 
>> family pics might spend less effort than someone say securing backups of 
>> reversed engineered UFO drawings at Roswell.  (that’s for ET)  The more 
>> valuable the data the more effort you want to expend.
>> 
>> If you’re not concerned about rebuilding by hand your method should do just 
>> fine.  If you want something more automatic go Time Machine.
>> 
>> Hopefully that didn’t confuse the issue m ore but do ask if you have any 
>> further questions.  Backup is an important topic.  Especially in this age of 
>> ransom ware and malware.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:25 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> So currently, I just use the copy and paste of all my personal files. So is 
>>> it better to do time machine backups then? Never explored this area so 
>>> please excuse any ignorance. Cheers!
 On 21 Sep 2016, at 18:05, John JD Denning  wrote:
 
 It appears there's been a lot of discussion on this subject. And I'm kind 
 of surprise. Because I was just pointed out backing up the Mac is 
 incredibly simple and straightforward. Go get a USB or thunderbolt hard 
 drive plugged in and use Time Machine. That's the simplest way.
 
 I do to back ups when using super Duper to a thunderbolt raid drive. That 
 is incredibly fast. And I do a time machine back up to a USB three drive.
 
 I love the clones, it's great to just be able to change your start up disk 
 and be right where you were when you did the back up. Everyone should have 
 a back up. It's just the cost of a external drive. Save yourself lots of 
 aggravation and go out and get an external drive. If you ever need it 
 you'll be glad you did
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:01, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
> No again you’re wrong.  You do not need an airport or time capsule for 
> time machine.  That’s just nonsense.  Any hard disk will work.  You can 
> connect directly via USB, you can connect via network to some drives, you 
> can use a time capsule if you want, you can use an airport router with a 
> hard drive attached to provide backups to a whole network but these are 
> not requirements.  A single external pluggable hard disk is all you need. 
>  Also, it totally restores on a blank disk, no reinstallation of programs 
> or operating system, it’s just a full backup which you can fully restore 
> from.  None of the rest matters a hill of beans.
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Singing Sparrow  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back 
>> up and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and 
>> the like for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back 
>> up would be more of the slutation then time machine.
>> 
>> On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Thanks Joseph, I totally agree.
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  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:38 PM
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  Mark, I believe the below message, for mac visionaries is going to Bring this 
thread out-of-control. So I would like to kindly ask you if you can close it 
please?



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Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Either way, it's essentially doing the same thing, as far as I know.  Only 
diffedrence is, it's basically doing the dirtcy work for you automatically. 
I could be wrong on this, but that's at least how I understand it.

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer 
before updating to Sierra



Hi all

So currently, I just use the copy and paste of all my personal files. So is 
it better to do time machine backups then? Never explored this area so 
please excuse any ignorance. Cheers!

On 21 Sep 2016, at 18:05, John JD Denning  wrote:

It appears there's been a lot of discussion on this subject. And I'm kind 
of surprise. Because I was just pointed out backing up the Mac is 
incredibly simple and straightforward. Go get a USB or thunderbolt hard 
drive plugged in and use Time Machine. That's the simplest way.


I do to back ups when using super Duper to a thunderbolt raid drive. That 
is incredibly fast. And I do a time machine back up to a USB three drive.


I love the clones, it's great to just be able to change your start up disk 
and be right where you were when you did the back up. Everyone should have 
a back up. It's just the cost of a external drive. Save yourself lots of 
aggravation and go out and get an external drive. If you ever need it 
you'll be glad you did


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:01, Scott Granados  wrote:

No again you’re wrong.  You do not need an airport or time capsule for 
time machine.  That’s just nonsense.  Any hard disk will work.  You can 
connect directly via USB, you can connect via network to some drives, you 
can use a time capsule if you want, you can use an airport router with a 
hard drive attached to provide backups to a whole network but these are 
not requirements.  A single external pluggable hard disk is all you need. 
Also, it totally restores on a blank disk, no reinstallation of programs 
or operating system, it’s just a full backup which you can fully restore 
from.  None of the rest matters a hill of beans.


On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Singing Sparrow  
wrote:


I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back 
up and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and 
the like for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back 
up would be more of the slutation then time machine.


On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self 
talk.


Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot 
off the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup 
solutions aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a 
database or in an on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s 
not a full backup.  If you restore from time machine you’ll get back to 
exactly where you were when that snapshot was taken.  IF I used a 
terabyte tape library would that make my backup less valid because you 
don’t boot from tape?  I don’t get it.


Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that 
school data just fine.



On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


The problem with Time Machine is, it's not an exact image of your 
drive.  It's great for basic things, and for backing up your apps, 
files, and settings, but if you want to really get technical, it's 
not, at the end of the day, a true OS backup regardless what anyone 
says.  For instance, show me how to boot from a time machine backup. 
You can't.  Point I hope taken.  At least, if you *can!* literally 
boot from a  drive soly created by TM, then I'm totally unaware of how 
to do so.


This is exactly why I use Super Duper.  Though they'd encourage you to 
buy and register it, you don't actually have to.  It never will expire 
on you, but there are just some features that won't be enabled.  Those 
features by no means are door stoppers though.  For instance.  I'm a 
pro musician as a lot of you know.


So, when a new major OS like this comes out, it's always the million 
dollar question, will ProTools work with this OS with no problems?  At 
first, usually, the answer is no.  But, I always try anyway.  This 
being said, I don't use Time Machine for those situations.  I'll 
instead fire up Super Dooper, take an exact bootable, mind you, 
snapshot image of my drive's current state, then, I'll update, and if 
something goes disastrous, it's no big deal.  I just roll back from 
that image I made, and within an hour or two, I'm downgraded and right 
back in perfect working order as if I'd never 

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I intend 
on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing things through 
my home network where I can control access and DNS.

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would 
> provide the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time 
> Capsules would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you know 
> if your Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
> be able to see each other.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
>> input your ideas.
>> 
>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
>> bridge mode.
>> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
>> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
>> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
>> 
>> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
>> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
>> will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
>> in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the 
>> double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
>> access point side.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
>> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 1st Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
>>> 
>>> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Bam, Tim scores!
 
 Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
 is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside 
 IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
 don’t mind?
 
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the 
>> Airport Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is 
>> in Bridge mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put 
>> their devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>> 
>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>> 
>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
>> connects to my Fibe TV.
>> 
>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
>> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is 
>> set to Bridge mode.
>> 
>> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
>> intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
>> 
>> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at 
>> its status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> John, I think you’re on to something here.
>>> 
>>> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
>>> 
>>> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is 
>>> probably locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>>> From 

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Jeff,

They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would provide 
the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time Capsules 
would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you know if your 
Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or would 
they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will be able 
to see each other.

Thx,
Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
> input your ideas.
> 
> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
> bridge mode.
> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
> 
> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule will 
> be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address in this 
> configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the double 
> NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your access point 
> side.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> The 1st Time Capsule is:
>> 
>> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
>> 
>> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
>> 
>> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bam, Tim scores!
>>> 
>>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
>>> is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside 
>>> IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
>>> don’t mind?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick > wrote:
 
 The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
 
 Jeff
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
> Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
> mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their 
> devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
> 
> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
> 
> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
> connects to my Fibe TV.
> 
> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set 
> to Bridge mode.
> 
> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
> intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
> 
> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at 
> its status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> John, I think you’re on to something here.
>> 
>> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
>> 
>> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is 
>> probably locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time 
>> capsule set up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out 
>> addresses inside from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if 
>> memory serves.
>>  Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
>> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time 
>> capsule reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub 

Re: size of Ipod Touch screen vs Iphone screens.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

It's definitely possible, yes.
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From what i have read the Ipod Touch screens are 4 inches, and the Iphone 
screens are either 4.7 or 5.5 inch screens could this be a factor in doing 
the four finger single tap?


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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Scott's design is sound, as I would expect it to be coming from one with his 
background.  If you have your current design for distance purposes, then we can 
work with it.  Otherwise, your best scenario is to have both devices in Bridge 
mode under the Network tab of AU, and both with the same SSID, Security and 
Password in the Wireless tab of AU.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:54, Scott Granados  wrote:

Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
input your ideas.

1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
bridge mode.
2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not use 
the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.

At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule will 
be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address in this 
configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the double NAT 
problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your access point side.

What do you think?

Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.

Thoughts?

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> The 1st Time Capsule is:
> 
> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
> 
> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
> 
> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Bam, Tim scores!
>> 
>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
>> is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside IP 
>> from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
>> don’t mind?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
 
 Jeff,
 
 What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
 Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
 mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their 
 devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick > wrote:
 
 Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
 
 Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
 Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
 
 So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
 connects to my Fibe TV.
 
 The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
 however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set 
 to Bridge mode.
 
 This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
 intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
 
 Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at 
 its status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
 
 Jeff
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> John, I think you’re on to something here.
> 
> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
> 
> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is 
> probably locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule 
> set up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses 
> inside from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
>   Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time 
> capsule reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub 
> attached to a LAN port on the time capsule inside ports and then the 
> other time capsule is attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big 
> difference which way.
>   If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
> the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time 
> with out adding a second IP 

Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[christopher hallsworth]

Thank you. I like the automated backup idea so will look into it. I mean, I am 
known to forget to backup until it’s necessary such as updating from El Capitan 
to Sierra.
> On 21 Sep 2016, at 19:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> No excuse needed, great question.
> 
> It all depends on what you want to accomplish and the value of your data.  If 
> you just have a few flat files with important data or pictures, things like 
> that, maybe tax returns or what ever your method works just fine with the 
> idea if you ever do lose a disk you’ll have to reinstall the OS and all your 
> software by hand.
> 
> If you want something more automated and a little more fire and forget then 
> maybe Time Machine makes sense.  You can back up on your external disk and if 
> needed use multiple disks and take one off site if you’re really concerned 
> about your data and there’s a lot to protect.
>   If you’ve got real concerns about off site and you need your data 
> backed up quickly you might want to go with a backup service that downloads 
> your data and stores in the cloud.
>   If you have more than one machine to back up then a network attached 
> storage makes sense.  Say you have 3 computers in your home, instead of a 
> disk for each you can get one larger network attached drive and backup your 
> machines there all at the same time, no swapping of disks.
> 
> All depends on how much your data is worth by that i mean someone securing 
> family pics might spend less effort than someone say securing backups of 
> reversed engineered UFO drawings at Roswell.  (that’s for ET)  The more 
> valuable the data the more effort you want to expend.
> 
> If you’re not concerned about rebuilding by hand your method should do just 
> fine.  If you want something more automatic go Time Machine.
> 
> Hopefully that didn’t confuse the issue m ore but do ask if you have any 
> further questions.  Backup is an important topic.  Especially in this age of 
> ransom ware and malware.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:25 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> So currently, I just use the copy and paste of all my personal files. So is 
>> it better to do time machine backups then? Never explored this area so 
>> please excuse any ignorance. Cheers!
>>> On 21 Sep 2016, at 18:05, John JD Denning  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It appears there's been a lot of discussion on this subject. And I'm kind 
>>> of surprise. Because I was just pointed out backing up the Mac is 
>>> incredibly simple and straightforward. Go get a USB or thunderbolt hard 
>>> drive plugged in and use Time Machine. That's the simplest way.
>>> 
>>> I do to back ups when using super Duper to a thunderbolt raid drive. That 
>>> is incredibly fast. And I do a time machine back up to a USB three drive.
>>> 
>>> I love the clones, it's great to just be able to change your start up disk 
>>> and be right where you were when you did the back up. Everyone should have 
>>> a back up. It's just the cost of a external drive. Save yourself lots of 
>>> aggravation and go out and get an external drive. If you ever need it 
>>> you'll be glad you did
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:01, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
 No again you’re wrong.  You do not need an airport or time capsule for 
 time machine.  That’s just nonsense.  Any hard disk will work.  You can 
 connect directly via USB, you can connect via network to some drives, you 
 can use a time capsule if you want, you can use an airport router with a 
 hard drive attached to provide backups to a whole network but these are 
 not requirements.  A single external pluggable hard disk is all you need.  
 Also, it totally restores on a blank disk, no reinstallation of programs 
 or operating system, it’s just a full backup which you can fully restore 
 from.  None of the rest matters a hill of beans.
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Singing Sparrow  
> wrote:
> 
> I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back 
> up and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and 
> the like for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back 
> up would be more of the slutation then time machine.
> 
> On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self 
>> talk.
>> 
>> Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot 
>> off the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup 
>> solutions aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a 
>> database or in an on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s 
>> not a full backup.  If you restore from time machine you’ll get back to 
>> exactly 

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or would 
they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will be able 
to see each other.

Thx,
Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
> input your ideas.
> 
> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
> bridge mode.
> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
> 
> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule will 
> be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address in this 
> configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the double 
> NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your access point 
> side.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> The 1st Time Capsule is:
>> 
>> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
>> 
>> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
>> 
>> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bam, Tim scores!
>>> 
>>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
>>> is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside 
>>> IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
>>> don’t mind?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick > wrote:
 
 The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
 
 Jeff
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
> Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
> mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their 
> devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
> 
> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
> 
> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
> connects to my Fibe TV.
> 
> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set 
> to Bridge mode.
> 
> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
> intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
> 
> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at 
> its status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> John, I think you’re on to something here.
>> 
>> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
>> 
>> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is 
>> probably locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time 
>> capsule set up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out 
>> addresses inside from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if 
>> memory serves.
>>  Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
>> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time 
>> capsule reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub 
>> attached to a LAN port on the time capsule inside ports and then the 
>> other time capsule is attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a 
>> big difference which way.
>>  If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
>> the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time 
>> with out adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
>>  If the timecapsule is 

Re: macos sierra accessibility especially with braille how is it so far?

[christopher hallsworth]

Oh really? Sounds amazing!
> On 21 Sep 2016, at 19:44, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
> I can just say that now I am really happy. Very good experience with braille!
> 
> Best
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> Apple Distinguished Educator
> 
> 
> 
>> El 21 sept 2016, a las 20:27, christopher hallsworth 
>>  escribió:
>> 
>> Don’t use Braille on mac, Sierra overall very good, Safari much better 
>> according to Applevis and I can see that, Apple has fixed many VoiceOver 
>> bugs present El Capitan and earlier, highly recommended.
>>> On 21 Sep 2016, at 17:54, Anouk Radix  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi For the early adopters,
>>> How is sierrra turning out accessibilitywise especially with braille?
>>> I am fairly satisfied with el capitain so far but woul dlove to use the new 
>>> copy and paste and siri.
>>> Safari for th emoment is not so good, i have to restart voiceover a lot to 
>>> get pages to refresh so I hope that gets better with sierra.
>>> I want to wait for finereader to be updated first but still always nice to 
>>> hear how htings are.
>>> Thanks in advance for any information,
>>> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
input your ideas.

1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
bridge mode.
2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not use 
the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.

At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule will 
be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address in this 
configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the double NAT 
problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your access point side.

What do you think?

Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.

Thoughts?

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> The 1st Time Capsule is:
> 
> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
> 
> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
> 
> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Bam, Tim scores!
>> 
>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
>> is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside IP 
>> from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
>> don’t mind?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
 
 Jeff,
 
 What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
 Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
 mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their 
 devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick > wrote:
 
 Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
 
 Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
 Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
 
 So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
 connects to my Fibe TV.
 
 The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
 however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set 
 to Bridge mode.
 
 This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
 intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
 
 Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at 
 its status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
 
 Jeff
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> John, I think you’re on to something here.
> 
> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
> 
> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is 
> probably locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule 
> set up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses 
> inside from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
>   Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time 
> capsule reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub 
> attached to a LAN port on the time capsule inside ports and then the 
> other time capsule is attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big 
> difference which way.
>   If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
> the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time 
> with out adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
>   If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head end you 
> should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for testing).  
> In this mode the second inside time capsule should be an access point 
> only.  There should be no NAT.  You would have the airport receive it’s 
> inside address from the nat head end and also not hand out any of it’s 
> own addresses.  It should act as a pass through.  Does that make sense?
>  
>  

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

The 1st Time Capsule is:

ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1

The 2nd Time Capsule is:

IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Bam, Tim scores!
> 
> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem is 
> NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside IP 
> from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you don’t 
> mind?
> 
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
>>> Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
>>> mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their 
>>> devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>>> 
>>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>>> 
>>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
>>> connects to my Fibe TV.
>>> 
>>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
>>> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set 
>>> to Bridge mode.
>>> 
>>> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
>>> intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
>>> 
>>> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at its 
>>> status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 John, I think you’re on to something here.
 
 Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
 
 Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is probably 
 locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
 From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule 
 set up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses 
 inside from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
 the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time 
 capsule reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub 
 attached to a LAN port on the time capsule inside ports and then the other 
 time capsule is attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big 
 difference which way.
If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
 the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time 
 with out adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head end you 
 should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for testing).  
 In this mode the second inside time capsule should be an access point 
 only.  There should be no NAT.  You would have the airport receive it’s 
 inside address from the nat head end and also not hand out any of it’s own 
 addresses.  It should act as a pass through.  Does that make sense?
  
  
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
> network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within your 
> house, Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then not using 
> public IP address space then you will not be able to get your 
> configuration to work properly.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network 
>> somewhat working and be a little dangerous.
>> 
>> I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them which 
>> is the first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables then connect 
>> to a Time Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet cables through a 
>> hub and then to another Time Capsule set to Bridge mode.  
>> 
>> When I look at the 

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Bam, Tim scores!

Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem is 
NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside IP from 
the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you don’t mind?


> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
>> Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
>> mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their devices 
>> in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>> 
>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>> 
>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also connects 
>> to my Fibe TV.
>> 
>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
>> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set to 
>> Bridge mode.
>> 
>> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get intermittent 
>> internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
>> 
>> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at its 
>> status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> John, I think you’re on to something here.
>>> 
>>> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
>>> 
>>> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is probably 
>>> locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>>> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule 
>>> set up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses 
>>> inside from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
>>> Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
>>> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time 
>>> capsule reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub 
>>> attached to a LAN port on the time capsule inside ports and then the other 
>>> time capsule is attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big 
>>> difference which way.
>>> If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
>>> the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time with 
>>> out adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
>>> If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head end you 
>>> should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for testing).  
>>> In this mode the second inside time capsule should be an access point only. 
>>>  There should be no NAT.  You would have the airport receive it’s inside 
>>> address from the nat head end and also not hand out any of it’s own 
>>> addresses.  It should act as a pass through.  Does that make sense?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn > wrote:
 
 Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
 network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within your 
 house, Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then not using 
 public IP address space then you will not be able to get your 
 configuration to work properly.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Jonathan Cohn 
 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick > wrote:
 
> Hi there,
> 
> Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network 
> somewhat working and be a little dangerous.
> 
> I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them which 
> is the first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables then connect 
> to a Time Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet cables through a hub 
> and then to another Time Capsule set to Bridge mode.  
> 
> When I look at the status table in Airport Utility for the first Time 
> Capsule, I get the Double NET error; however, when I switch that Time 
> Capsule to Bridge Mode my network stops working.
> 
> Both Time Capsules are set to Create a network and share the same SSID 
> name/password.  One Time Capsule serves one half of my house, and the 
> other 

Re: macos sierra accessibility especially with braille how is it so far?

[Daniela Rubio]

I can just say that now I am really happy. Very good experience with braille!

Best

Daniela Rubio T
Apple Distinguished Educator



> El 21 sept 2016, a las 20:27, christopher hallsworth 
>  escribió:
> 
> Don’t use Braille on mac, Sierra overall very good, Safari much better 
> according to Applevis and I can see that, Apple has fixed many VoiceOver bugs 
> present El Capitan and earlier, highly recommended.
>> On 21 Sep 2016, at 17:54, Anouk Radix  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi For the early adopters,
>> How is sierrra turning out accessibilitywise especially with braille?
>> I am fairly satisfied with el capitain so far but woul dlove to use the new 
>> copy and paste and siri.
>> Safari for th emoment is not so good, i have to restart voiceover a lot to 
>> get pages to refresh so I hope that gets better with sierra.
>> I want to wait for finereader to be updated first but still always nice to 
>> hear how htings are.
>> Thanks in advance for any information,
>> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
> Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
> mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their devices 
> in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
> 
> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
> 
> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also connects 
> to my Fibe TV.
> 
> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set to 
> Bridge mode.
> 
> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get intermittent 
> internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
> 
> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at its 
> status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> John, I think you’re on to something here.
>> 
>> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
>> 
>> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is probably 
>> locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule 
>> set up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses 
>> inside from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
>>  Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
>> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time 
>> capsule reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub 
>> attached to a LAN port on the time capsule inside ports and then the other 
>> time capsule is attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big 
>> difference which way.
>>  If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
>> the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time with 
>> out adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
>>  If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head end you 
>> should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for testing).  In 
>> this mode the second inside time capsule should be an access point only.  
>> There should be no NAT.  You would have the airport receive it’s inside 
>> address from the nat head end and also not hand out any of it’s own 
>> addresses.  It should act as a pass through.  Does that make sense?
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
>>> network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within your 
>>> house, Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then not using 
>>> public IP address space then you will not be able to get your configuration 
>>> to work properly.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there,
 
 Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network 
 somewhat working and be a little dangerous.
 
 I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them which is 
 the first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables then connect to a 
 Time Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet cables through a hub and 
 then to another Time Capsule set to Bridge mode.  
 
 When I look at the status table in Airport Utility for the first Time 
 Capsule, I get the Double NET error; however, when I switch that Time 
 Capsule to Bridge Mode my network stops working.
 
 Both Time Capsules are set to Create a network and share the same SSID 
 name/password.  One Time Capsule serves one half of my house, and the 
 other serves the second half.
 
 So, do you have any suggestions on how I can fix this?
 
 I can’t figure out if my Bell modem (Home Hub 2000) is in Bridge mode 
 itself, although I doubt it.  I can’t find any settings in the firmware to 
 allow me to do so.
 
 Thoughts?
 
 Tia,
 Jeff
 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Scott is spot 

Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[E.T.]

Chris,
   Sugarcode? What is that, a new code in Sierra? (smiles)

   You are right, there is too much drama on this group. But you are 
the one most dramatic of all the members. You best go down to the local 
gym and work off that excess energy of yours.


   And again you are right, this is not the right place for those 
personal back and forths so again take it to the local gym and piut on 
some boxing gloves.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/21/2016 10:51 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, sir, I won't give your real name publicly here on list, as you've
asked me kindly not to do so, and I'll respect that wish.  You know I
know who you are though, and that we just were talking on Twitter.

You asked me over Twitter DM what I think.  OK. Do you want the truth,
or do you want me to sugarcode it?

If sugarcode please, then, I'd say, I have simply no comments.  But if
you want the bold frank truth, then here it is, like it or not:

I think both you and Scott need to take the drama off list and sease
immediately from the name calling publicly.  It's not benefiting the
group, and, regardless sir, if I agree with your assessment of Scott's
comments or not, that isn't rellavent.  The point is, take it off list.
This isn't publicly where these type comments belong.  Though I
appreciate you sticking up for me, don't misinterpret what I'm saying, I
don't think this list publicly is where these type debates need to occur.

Scott's e-mail is:

sc...@qualityip.net 

If you have something personal like this to say to Scott, any of you, do
it off list.  I'm not a mod, but I think both Mark, and Cara would
concur.  I'm not trying to play mod, though it may sound that way.  I'm
simply just sayin, and after all, you did! ask my opinion, did you not?

Chris.

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Fwd: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[Joseph Hudson]

Mark, I believe the below message, for mac visionaries is going to Bring this 
thread out-of-control. So I would like to kindly ask you if you can close it 
please?

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Scott Granados 
> Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer 
> before updating to Sierra
> Date: September 21, 2016 at 12:38:01 PM CDT
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com 
>  and your 

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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Jeff,

What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge mode 
or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their devices in 
Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:

Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.

So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also connects to 
my Fibe TV.

The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set to 
Bridge mode.

This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get intermittent 
internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.

Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at its 
status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> John, I think you’re on to something here.
> 
> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
> 
> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is probably 
> locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule set 
> up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses inside 
> from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
>   Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time capsule 
> reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub attached to a 
> LAN port on the time capsule inside ports and then the other time capsule is 
> attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big difference which way.
>   If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
> the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time with 
> out adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
>   If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head end you 
> should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for testing).  In 
> this mode the second inside time capsule should be an access point only.  
> There should be no NAT.  You would have the airport receive it’s inside 
> address from the nat head end and also not hand out any of it’s own 
> addresses.  It should act as a pass through.  Does that make sense?
>  
>  
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
>> network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within your house, 
>> Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then not using public IP 
>> address space then you will not be able to get your configuration to work 
>> properly.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network 
>>> somewhat working and be a little dangerous.
>>> 
>>> I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them which is 
>>> the first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables then connect to a 
>>> Time Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet cables through a hub and 
>>> then to another Time Capsule set to Bridge mode.  
>>> 
>>> When I look at the status table in Airport Utility for the first Time 
>>> Capsule, I get the Double NET error; however, when I switch that Time 
>>> Capsule to Bridge Mode my network stops working.
>>> 
>>> Both Time Capsules are set to Create a network and share the same SSID 
>>> name/password.  One Time Capsule serves one half of my house, and the other 
>>> serves the second half.
>>> 
>>> So, do you have any suggestions on how I can fix this?
>>> 
>>> I can’t figure out if my Bell modem (Home Hub 2000) is in Bridge mode 
>>> itself, although I doubt it.  I can’t find any settings in the firmware to 
>>> allow me to do so.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Tia,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Scott is spot on, unless your ISP unit is configured to Bridge mode as in 
 my case.  So, with the ISP router in Bridge mode, the Airport Extreme 
 handles all the DHCP and Firewall stuff.  Any other devices are either set 
 to extend or as a roaming extension depending on how you have things set 
 up.  

Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[Scott Granados]

No excuse needed, great question.

It all depends on what you want to accomplish and the value of your data.  If 
you just have a few flat files with important data or pictures, things like 
that, maybe tax returns or what ever your method works just fine with the idea 
if you ever do lose a disk you’ll have to reinstall the OS and all your 
software by hand.

If you want something more automated and a little more fire and forget then 
maybe Time Machine makes sense.  You can back up on your external disk and if 
needed use multiple disks and take one off site if you’re really concerned 
about your data and there’s a lot to protect.
If you’ve got real concerns about off site and you need your data 
backed up quickly you might want to go with a backup service that downloads 
your data and stores in the cloud.
If you have more than one machine to back up then a network attached 
storage makes sense.  Say you have 3 computers in your home, instead of a disk 
for each you can get one larger network attached drive and backup your machines 
there all at the same time, no swapping of disks.

All depends on how much your data is worth by that i mean someone securing 
family pics might spend less effort than someone say securing backups of 
reversed engineered UFO drawings at Roswell.  (that’s for ET)  The more 
valuable the data the more effort you want to expend.

If you’re not concerned about rebuilding by hand your method should do just 
fine.  If you want something more automatic go Time Machine.

Hopefully that didn’t confuse the issue m ore but do ask if you have any 
further questions.  Backup is an important topic.  Especially in this age of 
ransom ware and malware.

Thanks
Scott

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:25 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> So currently, I just use the copy and paste of all my personal files. So is 
> it better to do time machine backups then? Never explored this area so please 
> excuse any ignorance. Cheers!
>> On 21 Sep 2016, at 18:05, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> It appears there's been a lot of discussion on this subject. And I'm kind of 
>> surprise. Because I was just pointed out backing up the Mac is incredibly 
>> simple and straightforward. Go get a USB or thunderbolt hard drive plugged 
>> in and use Time Machine. That's the simplest way.
>> 
>> I do to back ups when using super Duper to a thunderbolt raid drive. That is 
>> incredibly fast. And I do a time machine back up to a USB three drive.
>> 
>> I love the clones, it's great to just be able to change your start up disk 
>> and be right where you were when you did the back up. Everyone should have a 
>> back up. It's just the cost of a external drive. Save yourself lots of 
>> aggravation and go out and get an external drive. If you ever need it you'll 
>> be glad you did
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:01, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>>> No again you’re wrong.  You do not need an airport or time capsule for time 
>>> machine.  That’s just nonsense.  Any hard disk will work.  You can connect 
>>> directly via USB, you can connect via network to some drives, you can use a 
>>> time capsule if you want, you can use an airport router with a hard drive 
>>> attached to provide backups to a whole network but these are not 
>>> requirements.  A single external pluggable hard disk is all you need.  
>>> Also, it totally restores on a blank disk, no reinstallation of programs or 
>>> operating system, it’s just a full backup which you can fully restore from. 
>>>  None of the rest matters a hill of beans.
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Singing Sparrow  
 wrote:
 
 I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back up 
 and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and the 
 like for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back up 
 would be more of the slutation then time machine.
 
 On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self 
> talk.
> 
> Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot 
> off the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup 
> solutions aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a 
> database or in an on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s 
> not a full backup.  If you restore from time machine you’ll get back to 
> exactly where you were when that snapshot was taken.  IF I used a 
> terabyte tape library would that make my backup less valid because you 
> don’t boot from tape?  I don’t get it. 
> 
> Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that 
> school data just fine.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark 

question about contacts in mail

[Laura Bratton]

All,
What is the best way to select contacts to add to an email message in mail? 
I am needing to select many contacts that are not in one group and cannot 
figure out the best way to get the email addresses from contacts to the mail 
message. So any help would be great!
Thank you,
Laura 


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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:

Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.

So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also connects to 
my Fibe TV.

The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set to 
Bridge mode.

This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get intermittent 
internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.

Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at its 
status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> John, I think you’re on to something here.
> 
> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
> 
> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is probably 
> locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule set 
> up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses inside 
> from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
>   Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time capsule 
> reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub attached to a 
> LAN port on the time capsule inside ports and then the other time capsule is 
> attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big difference which way.
>   If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
> the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time with 
> out adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
>   If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head end you 
> should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for testing).  In 
> this mode the second inside time capsule should be an access point only.  
> There should be no NAT.  You would have the airport receive it’s inside 
> address from the nat head end and also not hand out any of it’s own 
> addresses.  It should act as a pass through.  Does that make sense?
>  
>  
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
>> network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within your house, 
>> Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then not using public IP 
>> address space then you will not be able to get your configuration to work 
>> properly.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network 
>>> somewhat working and be a little dangerous.
>>> 
>>> I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them which is 
>>> the first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables then connect to a 
>>> Time Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet cables through a hub and 
>>> then to another Time Capsule set to Bridge mode.  
>>> 
>>> When I look at the status table in Airport Utility for the first Time 
>>> Capsule, I get the Double NET error; however, when I switch that Time 
>>> Capsule to Bridge Mode my network stops working.
>>> 
>>> Both Time Capsules are set to Create a network and share the same SSID 
>>> name/password.  One Time Capsule serves one half of my house, and the other 
>>> serves the second half.
>>> 
>>> So, do you have any suggestions on how I can fix this?
>>> 
>>> I can’t figure out if my Bell modem (Home Hub 2000) is in Bridge mode 
>>> itself, although I doubt it.  I can’t find any settings in the firmware to 
>>> allow me to do so.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Tia,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Scott is spot on, unless your ISP unit is configured to Bridge mode as in 
 my case.  So, with the ISP router in Bridge mode, the Airport Extreme 
 handles all the DHCP and Firewall stuff.  Any other devices are either set 
 to extend or as a roaming extension depending on how you have things set 
 up.  Anything that is connected to your ISP router with an ethernet cable 
 can be configured to the same SSID, thus roaming kinds of interaction 
 happens.  Devices that connect wirelessly, normally extend the network.
 
 If you go into Airport Utility and check on the Status of your Time 
 Capsules, you may be able to determine the issue.  So, in AU, access the 
 Time Capsule, then interact with the Scroll area, there should 

Re: macos sierra accessibility especially with braille how is it so far?

[christopher hallsworth]

Don’t use Braille on mac, Sierra overall very good, Safari much better 
according to Applevis and I can see that, Apple has fixed many VoiceOver bugs 
present El Capitan and earlier, highly recommended.
> On 21 Sep 2016, at 17:54, Anouk Radix  wrote:
> 
> Hi For the early adopters,
> How is sierrra turning out accessibilitywise especially with braille?
> I am fairly satisfied with el capitain so far but woul dlove to use the new 
> copy and paste and siri.
> Safari for th emoment is not so good, i have to restart voiceover a lot to 
> get pages to refresh so I hope that gets better with sierra.
> I want to wait for finereader to be updated first but still always nice to 
> hear how htings are.
> Thanks in advance for any information,
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi all

So currently, I just use the copy and paste of all my personal files. So is it 
better to do time machine backups then? Never explored this area so please 
excuse any ignorance. Cheers!
> On 21 Sep 2016, at 18:05, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> It appears there's been a lot of discussion on this subject. And I'm kind of 
> surprise. Because I was just pointed out backing up the Mac is incredibly 
> simple and straightforward. Go get a USB or thunderbolt hard drive plugged in 
> and use Time Machine. That's the simplest way.
> 
> I do to back ups when using super Duper to a thunderbolt raid drive. That is 
> incredibly fast. And I do a time machine back up to a USB three drive.
> 
> I love the clones, it's great to just be able to change your start up disk 
> and be right where you were when you did the back up. Everyone should have a 
> back up. It's just the cost of a external drive. Save yourself lots of 
> aggravation and go out and get an external drive. If you ever need it you'll 
> be glad you did
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:01, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
>> No again you’re wrong.  You do not need an airport or time capsule for time 
>> machine.  That’s just nonsense.  Any hard disk will work.  You can connect 
>> directly via USB, you can connect via network to some drives, you can use a 
>> time capsule if you want, you can use an airport router with a hard drive 
>> attached to provide backups to a whole network but these are not 
>> requirements.  A single external pluggable hard disk is all you need.  Also, 
>> it totally restores on a blank disk, no reinstallation of programs or 
>> operating system, it’s just a full backup which you can fully restore from.  
>> None of the rest matters a hill of beans.
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Singing Sparrow  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back up 
>>> and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and the 
>>> like for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back up 
>>> would be more of the slutation then time machine.
>>> 
>>> On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self talk.
 
 Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot 
 off the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup 
 solutions aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a 
 database or in an on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s not 
 a full backup.  If you restore from time machine you’ll get back to 
 exactly where you were when that snapshot was taken.  IF I used a terabyte 
 tape library would that make my backup less valid because you don’t boot 
 from tape?  I don’t get it. 
 
 Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that 
 school data just fine.
 
 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> The problem with Time Machine is, it's not an exact image of your drive.  
> It's great for basic things, and for backing up your apps, files, and 
> settings, but if you want to really get technical, it's not, at the end 
> of the day, a true OS backup regardless what anyone says.  For instance, 
> show me how to boot from a time machine backup.  You can't.  Point I hope 
> taken.  At least, if you *can!* literally boot from a  drive soly created 
> by TM, then I'm totally unaware of how to do so.
>  
> This is exactly why I use Super Duper.  Though they'd encourage you to 
> buy and register it, you don't actually have to.  It never will expire on 
> you, but there are just some features that won't be enabled.  Those 
> features by no means are door stoppers though.  For instance.  I'm a pro 
> musician as a lot of you know.
>  
> So, when a new major OS like this comes out, it's always the million 
> dollar question, will ProTools work with this OS with no problems?  At 
> first, usually, the answer is no.  But, I always try anyway.  This being 
> said, I don't use Time Machine for those situations.  I'll instead fire 
> up Super Dooper, take an exact bootable, mind you, snapshot image of my 
> drive's current state, then, I'll update, and if something goes 
> disastrous, it's no big deal.  I just roll back from that image I made, 
> and within an hour or two, I'm downgraded and right back in perfect 
> working order as if I'd never updated to start with.
>  
> So yeah, call me weird.  I like the idea of what Apple did with Time 
> Machine, but I just don't think it's fair to tell people it's a full 
> backup sollution.  It's not.  It sort of is, but it sort of isn't, if you 
> catch my jidst.  

Apple in talks for take over bid of McLaren

[Scott Granados]

Well as much as I’d like to have an Apple powered formula 1 car or Apple car 
play in the P1:) I’m not sure what to think about this. McLaren is denying the 
claim but several sources confirm interest by Apple in the British super car 
maker.  The financial times and many other mainstream publications are carrying 
this news.  Here’s a pointer to the NYTimes article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/technology/apple-is-said-to-hold-talks-with-mclaren-and-lit-motors.html?_r=0
 



Steve Jobs must be spinning in his grave being a Ferrari Man.:)  Saw him 
driving around Woodside and Cupertino more than once in his Red Ferrari F430 
with a custom Apple in the paint and no license plates.  (He was famous for 
driving with out license plates and switching out his cars every 6 months so he 
wouldn’t have to put a plate on his car)


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size of Ipod Touch screen vs Iphone screens.

[Singing Sparrow]

From what i have read the Ipod Touch screens are 4 inches, and the 
Iphone screens are either 4.7 or 5.5 inch screens could this be a factor 
in doing the four finger single tap?


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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

John, I think you’re on to something here.

Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.

Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is probably 
locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule set 
>up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses inside 
>from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time capsule 
reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub attached to a LAN 
port on the time capsule inside ports and then the other time capsule is 
attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big difference which way.
If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time with out 
adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head end you 
should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for testing).  In 
this mode the second inside time capsule should be an access point only.  There 
should be no NAT.  You would have the airport receive it’s inside address from 
the nat head end and also not hand out any of it’s own addresses.  It should 
act as a pass through.  Does that make sense?
 
 

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
> network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within your house, 
> Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then not using public IP 
> address space then you will not be able to get your configuration to work 
> properly.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network 
>> somewhat working and be a little dangerous.
>> 
>> I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them which is 
>> the first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables then connect to a 
>> Time Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet cables through a hub and 
>> then to another Time Capsule set to Bridge mode.  
>> 
>> When I look at the status table in Airport Utility for the first Time 
>> Capsule, I get the Double NET error; however, when I switch that Time 
>> Capsule to Bridge Mode my network stops working.
>> 
>> Both Time Capsules are set to Create a network and share the same SSID 
>> name/password.  One Time Capsule serves one half of my house, and the other 
>> serves the second half.
>> 
>> So, do you have any suggestions on how I can fix this?
>> 
>> I can’t figure out if my Bell modem (Home Hub 2000) is in Bridge mode 
>> itself, although I doubt it.  I can’t find any settings in the firmware to 
>> allow me to do so.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Tia,
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Scott is spot on, unless your ISP unit is configured to Bridge mode as in 
>>> my case.  So, with the ISP router in Bridge mode, the Airport Extreme 
>>> handles all the DHCP and Firewall stuff.  Any other devices are either set 
>>> to extend or as a roaming extension depending on how you have things set 
>>> up.  Anything that is connected to your ISP router with an ethernet cable 
>>> can be configured to the same SSID, thus roaming kinds of interaction 
>>> happens.  Devices that connect wirelessly, normally extend the network.
>>> 
>>> If you go into Airport Utility and check on the Status of your Time 
>>> Capsules, you may be able to determine the issue.  So, in AU, access the 
>>> Time Capsule, then interact with the Scroll area, there should be a Status 
>>> table there that should note the issue.  I expect that it is likely a 
>>> double NAT issue which Scott's suggestion will fix.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:17, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> BY time capsule I assume you mean airport router?
>>> 
>>> Here’s how it should be set up, you should have your ISP router as the head 
>>> end as you do now.  Next, you should set the airports in to bridging mode 
>>> or as access points so you’re not using them to route.  Set the addresses 
>>> assignment to dhcp for the local address for each so your main router can 
>>> hand them addresses.  The big important part here is you make sure routing 
>>> is disabled and they are transmitting your routers network and not forming 
>>> their own.  Let me know if that helps any.  If you detail a bit more how 
>>> 

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within your house, 
Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then not using public IP 
address space then you will not be able to get your configuration to work 
properly.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network somewhat 
> working and be a little dangerous.
> 
> I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them which is 
> the first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables then connect to a 
> Time Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet cables through a hub and then 
> to another Time Capsule set to Bridge mode.  
> 
> When I look at the status table in Airport Utility for the first Time 
> Capsule, I get the Double NET error; however, when I switch that Time Capsule 
> to Bridge Mode my network stops working.
> 
> Both Time Capsules are set to Create a network and share the same SSID 
> name/password.  One Time Capsule serves one half of my house, and the other 
> serves the second half.
> 
> So, do you have any suggestions on how I can fix this?
> 
> I can’t figure out if my Bell modem (Home Hub 2000) is in Bridge mode itself, 
> although I doubt it.  I can’t find any settings in the firmware to allow me 
> to do so.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Tia,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Scott is spot on, unless your ISP unit is configured to Bridge mode as in my 
>> case.  So, with the ISP router in Bridge mode, the Airport Extreme handles 
>> all the DHCP and Firewall stuff.  Any other devices are either set to extend 
>> or as a roaming extension depending on how you have things set up.  Anything 
>> that is connected to your ISP router with an ethernet cable can be 
>> configured to the same SSID, thus roaming kinds of interaction happens.  
>> Devices that connect wirelessly, normally extend the network.
>> 
>> If you go into Airport Utility and check on the Status of your Time 
>> Capsules, you may be able to determine the issue.  So, in AU, access the 
>> Time Capsule, then interact with the Scroll area, there should be a Status 
>> table there that should note the issue.  I expect that it is likely a double 
>> NAT issue which Scott's suggestion will fix.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:17, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> BY time capsule I assume you mean airport router?
>> 
>> Here’s how it should be set up, you should have your ISP router as the head 
>> end as you do now.  Next, you should set the airports in to bridging mode or 
>> as access points so you’re not using them to route.  Set the addresses 
>> assignment to dhcp for the local address for each so your main router can 
>> hand them addresses.  The big important part here is you make sure routing 
>> is disabled and they are transmitting your routers network and not forming 
>> their own.  Let me know if that helps any.  If you detail a bit more how 
>> things are connected I will be glad to be much more specific.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Today is my day for messages :)
>>> 
>>> I have two Time Capsules on my home network and one router from my internet 
>>> provider.  
>>> 
>>> In the extras bar, it says I have 4 of 4 bars, but my son says that they 
>>> are greyed out and that they have an exclamation mark.  I can ping through 
>>> my network all the way to the ISP’s modem, but can’t get anything outside 
>>> my home through ping or on the internet.  If I move closer to my older Time 
>>> Capsule, everything is fine; however, if I am using my newer Time Capsule, 
>>> this is when I get the problems.  So, I am pretty sure it is something with 
>>> my newer Time Capsule.
>>> 
>>> This is an intermittent problem.  Any networkers out there have any ideas 
>>> on how I can test/fix this issue?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, sir, I won't give your real name publicly here on list, as you've asked me 
kindly not to do so, and I'll respect that wish.  You know I know who you are 
though, and that we just were talking on Twitter.

You asked me over Twitter DM what I think.  OK. Do you want the truth, or do 
you want me to sugarcode it?

If sugarcode please, then, I'd say, I have simply no comments.  But if you want 
the bold frank truth, then here it is, like it or not:

I think both you and Scott need to take the drama off list and sease 
immediately from the name calling publicly.  It's not benefiting the group, 
and, regardless sir, if I agree with your assessment of Scott's comments or 
not, that isn't rellavent.  The point is, take it off list.  This isn't 
publicly where these type comments belong.  Though I appreciate you sticking up 
for me, don't misinterpret what I'm saying, I don't think this list publicly is 
where these type debates need to occur.

Scott's e-mail is:

sc...@qualityip.net

If you have something personal like this to say to Scott, any of you, do it off 
list.  I'm not a mod, but I think both Mark, and Cara would concur.  I'm not 
trying to play mod, though it may sound that way.  I'm simply just sayin, and 
after all, you did! ask my opinion, did you not?

Chris.

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Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[Scott Granados]

I am a network engineer of 25 years.  I started using Apple products in 1982 
and have continuously.  I hold patents in the network transmission space and 
have built key parts of the Verizon Wireless networks including the Voice over 
LTE environment as well as key design efforts in network interconnection 
including optimization of the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) configuration and 
migration of peers from the CRS to MX960 platform.  
I have also been key in the development of high bandwidth video 
conferencing applications used in the financial industry with an all native SIP 
back end capable of rescaling video and audio to any environment from Dial up 
to HD (4K) video.
I have been involved with Premier Retail Network in the development and 
deployment of the largest out of home IP TV network in the world.  You would 
see my handy work in every Walmart, Costco, Sam’s, Stop and Shop, BJs Whole 
sale clubs, Dell’s lemonade stores, CVS and more for the purposes of delivering 
real time sensitive video marketing materials and tracking impact on sales.
I have developed transport systems for ESPN, General Dynamics, and the 
Defense Department.  I hold several certifications and have also successfully 
started, run and sold two internet carrier business including one which was 
wrapped in to RCN.  

That a good start or would you like the whole resume pasted?  I have over 25 
years of technical experience over all.  Also qualified in several operating 
systems Including Solaris, Aix, various Linux variants and Mac OS.

Shal I continue?

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> Ok, scott, where do you have your crendencals, to be able to give advise? I 
> know chris, is certified to be able to give the advise he does give so can 
> you show us the proof you know what you are talking about? mister smarty 
> pants!
> 
> On 9/21/2016 12:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Chris, nobody cares and you have absolutely 0 room to speak.  The one time I 
>> made the mistake of helping you, you went psycho and besides, I’m not 
>> interested in the moral comments from a rapist.
>> 
>> So pipe down inmate.
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> And I do not appreciate Scott's comment at all!  I was trying to help for 
>>> God given sake!  Tim is correct in that it's not required to boot to a 
>>> backup.  In that sense, yes, it's a full backup.  I agree, but that wasn't 
>>> my initial point, and I think I made it very clear as such.  I never said 
>>> TM wasn't doable.  I only said it won't make a full bootable backup, which 
>>> I, along with some others, might more prefer.  Don't say I speak crap, or 
>>> whatever word you choose until you get your facts straight of what I 
>>> actually said, not of what I didn't say nor imply.
>>>  
>>> Enough said.  I'm not participating in this thread anymore.  I've stated my 
>>> personal preference, for what it's worth, which apparently is nothing 
>>> valued, so who cares! I'm done with it!  Figure the backup process out 
>>> yourself.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>>  
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com 
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message -
 From: Singing Sparrow 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:37 PM
 Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac 
 computer before updating to Sierra
 
 I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back up 
 and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and the 
 like for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back up 
 would be more of the slutation then time machine.
 
 On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self 
> talk.
> 
> Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot 
> off the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup 
> solutions aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a 
> database or in an on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s 
> not a full backup.  If you restore from time machine you’ll get back to 
> exactly where you were when that snapshot was taken.  IF I used a 
> terabyte tape library would that make my backup less valid because you 
> don’t boot from tape?  I don’t get it. 
> 
> Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that 
> school data just fine.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> 

Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[Singing Sparrow]

Ok, scott, where do you have your crendencals, to be able to give 
advise? I know chris, is certified to be able to give the advise he does 
give so can you show us the proof you know what you are talking about? 
mister smarty pants!



On 9/21/2016 12:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
Chris, nobody cares and you have absolutely 0 room to speak.  The one 
time I made the mistake of helping you, you went psycho and besides, 
I’m not interested in the moral comments from a rapist.


So pipe down inmate.

On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> wrote:


And I do not appreciate Scott's comment at all!  I was trying to help 
for God given sake!  Tim is correct in that it's not required to boot 
to a backup.  In that sense, yes, it's a full backup.  I agree, but 
that wasn't my initial point, and I think I made it very clear as 
such.  I never said TM wasn't doable.  I only said it won't make a 
full bootable backup, which I, along with some others, might more 
prefer.  Don't say I speak crap, or whatever word you choose until 
you get your facts straight of what I actually said, not of what I 
didn't say nor imply.
Enough said.  I'm not participating in this thread anymore.  I've 
stated my personal preference, for what it's worth, which apparently 
is nothing valued, so who cares! I'm done with it!  Figure the backup 
process out yourself.

---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
i...@gillandmarketing.com 
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

- Original Message -
*From:*Singing Sparrow 
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


*Sent:*Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:37 PM
*Subject:*Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac 
computer before updating to Sierra


I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true 
back up and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express 
router and the like for time machine to work the way chris stated to 
do a true back up would be more of the slutation then time machine.


On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your 
self talk.


Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to 
boot off the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the 
mass backup solutions aren’t a backup either.  Just because the 
data is stored in a database or in an on-tap file system or time 
machine doesn’t mean it’s not a full backup.  If you restore from 
time machine you’ll get back to exactly where you were when that 
snapshot was taken.  IF I used a terabyte tape library would that 
make my backup less valid because you don’t boot from tape?  I 
don’t get it.


Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure 
that school data just fine.



On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> wrote:


The problem with Time Machine is, it's not an exact image of your 
drive.  It's great for basic things, and for backing up your apps, 
files, and settings, but if you want to really get technical, it's 
not, at the end of the day, a true OS backup regardless what 
anyone says.  For instance, show me how to boot from a time 
machine backup. You can't.  Point I hope taken.  At least, if you 
*can!* literally boot from a  drive soly created by TM, then I'm 
totally unaware of how to do so.
This is exactly why I use Super Duper.  Though they'd encourage 
you to buy and register it, you don't actually have to.  It never 
will expire on you, but there are just some features that won't be 
enabled. Those features by no means are door stoppers though.  For 
instance.  I'm a pro musician as a lot of you know.
So, when a new major OS like this comes out, it's always the 
million dollar question, will ProTools work with this OS with no 
problems?  At first, usually, the answer is no.  But, I always try 
anyway.  This being said, I don't use Time Machine for those 
situations.  I'll instead fire up Super Dooper, take an exact 
bootable, mind you, snapshot image of my drive's current state, 
then, I'll update, and if something goes disastrous, it's no big 
deal.  I just roll back from that image I made, and within an hour 
or two, I'm downgraded and right back in perfect working order as 
if I'd never updated to start with.
So yeah, call me weird.  I like the idea of what Apple did with 
Time Machine, but I just don't think it's fair to tell people it's 
a full backup sollution.  It's not.  It sort of is, but it sort of 
isn't, if you catch my jidst.  If all you want is to back up your 
files, settings, and apps, then OK, whatever, go for it, but if 
you're really wanting to be the most optimally safe as possible, 
then look into a full backup sollution like Super Duper, or Carbon 
Copy Cloner, etc.  Trust me, in the long 

Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[Scott Granados]

Chris, nobody cares and you have absolutely 0 room to speak.  The one time I 
made the mistake of helping you, you went psycho and besides, I’m not 
interested in the moral comments from a rapist.

So pipe down inmate.

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> And I do not appreciate Scott's comment at all!  I was trying to help for God 
> given sake!  Tim is correct in that it's not required to boot to a backup.  
> In that sense, yes, it's a full backup.  I agree, but that wasn't my initial 
> point, and I think I made it very clear as such.  I never said TM wasn't 
> doable.  I only said it won't make a full bootable backup, which I, along 
> with some others, might more prefer.  Don't say I speak crap, or whatever 
> word you choose until you get your facts straight of what I actually said, 
> not of what I didn't say nor imply.
>  
> Enough said.  I'm not participating in this thread anymore.  I've stated my 
> personal preference, for what it's worth, which apparently is nothing valued, 
> so who cares! I'm done with it!  Figure the backup process out yourself.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
>  
> i...@gillandmarketing.com 
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Singing Sparrow 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer 
>> before updating to Sierra
>> 
>> I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back up 
>> and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and the 
>> like for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back up 
>> would be more of the slutation then time machine.
>> 
>> On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self talk.
>>> 
>>> Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot off 
>>> the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup 
>>> solutions aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a 
>>> database or in an on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s not 
>>> a full backup.  If you restore from time machine you’ll get back to exactly 
>>> where you were when that snapshot was taken.  IF I used a terabyte tape 
>>> library would that make my backup less valid because you don’t boot from 
>>> tape?  I don’t get it. 
>>> 
>>> Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that 
>>> school data just fine.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 > wrote:
 
 The problem with Time Machine is, it's not an exact image of your drive.  
 It's great for basic things, and for backing up your apps, files, and 
 settings, but if you want to really get technical, it's not, at the end of 
 the day, a true OS backup regardless what anyone says.  For instance, show 
 me how to boot from a time machine backup.  You can't.  Point I hope 
 taken.  At least, if you *can!* literally boot from a  drive soly created 
 by TM, then I'm totally unaware of how to do so.
  
 This is exactly why I use Super Duper.  Though they'd encourage you to buy 
 and register it, you don't actually have to.  It never will expire on you, 
 but there are just some features that won't be enabled.  Those features by 
 no means are door stoppers though.  For instance.  I'm a pro musician as a 
 lot of you know.
  
 So, when a new major OS like this comes out, it's always the million 
 dollar question, will ProTools work with this OS with no problems?  At 
 first, usually, the answer is no.  But, I always try anyway.  This being 
 said, I don't use Time Machine for those situations.  I'll instead fire up 
 Super Dooper, take an exact bootable, mind you, snapshot image of my 
 drive's current state, then, I'll update, and if something goes 
 disastrous, it's no big deal.  I just roll back from that image I made, 
 and within an hour or two, I'm downgraded and right back in perfect 
 working order as if I'd never updated to start with.
  
 So yeah, call me weird.  I like the idea of what Apple did with Time 
 Machine, but I just don't think it's fair to tell people it's a full 
 backup sollution.  It's not.  It sort of is, but it sort of isn't, if you 
 catch my jidst.  If all you want is to back up your files, settings, and 
 apps, then OK, whatever, go for it, but if you're really wanting to be the 
 most optimally safe as possible, then look  into a full backup sollution 
 like Super Duper, or Carbon Copy Cloner, etc.  Trust me, in the long run, 
 

Re: macos sierra accessibility especially with braille how is it so far?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Braille works.  Enough said.

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Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

And I do not appreciate Scott's comment at all!  I was trying to help for God 
given sake!  Tim is correct in that it's not required to boot to a backup.  In 
that sense, yes, it's a full backup.  I agree, but that wasn't my initial 
point, and I think I made it very clear as such.  I never said TM wasn't 
doable.  I only said it won't make a full bootable backup, which I, along with 
some others, might more prefer.  Don't say I speak crap, or whatever word you 
choose until you get your facts straight of what I actually said, not of what I 
didn't say nor imply.

Enough said.  I'm not participating in this thread anymore.  I've stated my 
personal preference, for what it's worth, which apparently is nothing valued, 
so who cares! I'm done with it!  Figure the backup process out yourself.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Singing Sparrow 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:37 PM
  Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer 
before updating to Sierra


  I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back up 
and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and the like 
for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back up would be 
more of the slutation then time machine.




  On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self talk. 


Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot off 
the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup solutions 
aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a database or in an 
on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s not a full backup.  If you 
restore from time machine you’ll get back to exactly where you were when that 
snapshot was taken.  IF I used a terabyte tape library would that make my 
backup less valid because you don’t boot from tape?  I don’t get it. 


Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that 
school data just fine.




  On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  The problem with Time Machine is, it's not an exact image of your drive.  
It's great for basic things, and for backing up your apps, files, and settings, 
but if you want to really get technical, it's not, at the end of the day, a 
true OS backup regardless what anyone says.  For instance, show me how to boot 
from a time machine backup.  You can't.  Point I hope taken.  At least, if you 
*can!* literally boot from a  drive soly created by TM, then I'm totally 
unaware of how to do so.

  This is exactly why I use Super Duper.  Though they'd encourage you to 
buy and register it, you don't actually have to.  It never will expire on you, 
but there are just some features that won't be enabled.  Those features by no 
means are door stoppers though.  For instance.  I'm a pro musician as a lot of 
you know.

  So, when a new major OS like this comes out, it's always the million 
dollar question, will ProTools work with this OS with no problems?  At first, 
usually, the answer is no.  But, I always try anyway.  This being said, I don't 
use Time Machine for those situations.  I'll instead fire up Super Dooper, take 
an exact bootable, mind you, snapshot image of my drive's current state, then, 
I'll update, and if something goes disastrous, it's no big deal.  I just roll 
back from that image I made, and within an hour or two, I'm downgraded and 
right back in perfect working order as if I'd never updated to start with.

  So yeah, call me weird.  I like the idea of what Apple did with Time 
Machine, but I just don't think it's fair to tell people it's a full backup 
sollution.  It's not.  It sort of is, but it sort of isn't, if you catch my 
jidst.  If all you want is to back up your files, settings, and apps, then OK, 
whatever, go for it, but if you're really wanting to be the most optimally safe 
as possible, then look  into a full backup sollution like Super Duper, or 
Carbon Copy Cloner, etc.  Trust me, in the long run, it just may save you a day 
or more of hard hard work.
  ---
  Christopher Gilland
  JAWS Certified, 2016.
  Training Instructor.

  i...@gillandmarketing.com
  Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: lscrivani
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac 
computer before updating to Sierra


  Time machine is extremely easy to use,  almost as soon as you connect 
your back up drive to the computer it will come up and start the backup.  If it 
does not for any reason either open finder and look under 

Re: in IOS10 how to add message sender to contacts

[Ray Foret jr]

Yep, figured that out.  Thanks for help.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Ray,
> 
> After tapping on the More Info button, one swipe right after the Done button, 
> will be either the number or the contacts name.  Double-tap on that and 
> you'll find what you're looking for.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 07:13, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> For the life of me, can’t work out how to add a person who sends me a text 
> message to my contacts.  It ought to be easy enough.  When I open the message 
> and click on the “more info” button, I see nothing there which allows me to 
> add the person as a new contact.  It gets even worse with contacts in groups.
> 
> Any advice?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
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how to use spell checker.

[Chris Moore]

Hello,
I should know the answer to this, but how do we use the spell checker?  How do 
I choose from a list of suggestions or revert to the way I typed the word?  
Maybe there is something on apple-vis but I haven’t looked yet.

Chris

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Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You're incorrect on one factor here.  For the most part, you're dead spot on, 
but you don't need a time capsle to do a Time Machine backup.  Just beware.  
It'll work just by plugging an external drive into the system.  Time Capsles 
are really cool, don't get me wrong, but they're really not necessary in this 
case.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Singing Sparrow 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:37 PM
  Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer 
before updating to Sierra


  I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back up 
and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and the like 
for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back up would be 
more of the slutation then time machine.




  On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self talk. 


Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot off 
the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup solutions 
aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a database or in an 
on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s not a full backup.  If you 
restore from time machine you’ll get back to exactly where you were when that 
snapshot was taken.  IF I used a terabyte tape library would that make my 
backup less valid because you don’t boot from tape?  I don’t get it. 


Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that 
school data just fine.




  On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  The problem with Time Machine is, it's not an exact image of your drive.  
It's great for basic things, and for backing up your apps, files, and settings, 
but if you want to really get technical, it's not, at the end of the day, a 
true OS backup regardless what anyone says.  For instance, show me how to boot 
from a time machine backup.  You can't.  Point I hope taken.  At least, if you 
*can!* literally boot from a  drive soly created by TM, then I'm totally 
unaware of how to do so.

  This is exactly why I use Super Duper.  Though they'd encourage you to 
buy and register it, you don't actually have to.  It never will expire on you, 
but there are just some features that won't be enabled.  Those features by no 
means are door stoppers though.  For instance.  I'm a pro musician as a lot of 
you know.

  So, when a new major OS like this comes out, it's always the million 
dollar question, will ProTools work with this OS with no problems?  At first, 
usually, the answer is no.  But, I always try anyway.  This being said, I don't 
use Time Machine for those situations.  I'll instead fire up Super Dooper, take 
an exact bootable, mind you, snapshot image of my drive's current state, then, 
I'll update, and if something goes disastrous, it's no big deal.  I just roll 
back from that image I made, and within an hour or two, I'm downgraded and 
right back in perfect working order as if I'd never updated to start with.

  So yeah, call me weird.  I like the idea of what Apple did with Time 
Machine, but I just don't think it's fair to tell people it's a full backup 
sollution.  It's not.  It sort of is, but it sort of isn't, if you catch my 
jidst.  If all you want is to back up your files, settings, and apps, then OK, 
whatever, go for it, but if you're really wanting to be the most optimally safe 
as possible, then look  into a full backup sollution like Super Duper, or 
Carbon Copy Cloner, etc.  Trust me, in the long run, it just may save you a day 
or more of hard hard work.
  ---
  Christopher Gilland
  JAWS Certified, 2016.
  Training Instructor.

  i...@gillandmarketing.com
  Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: lscrivani
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac 
computer before updating to Sierra


  Time machine is extremely easy to use,  almost as soon as you connect 
your back up drive to the computer it will come up and start the backup.  If it 
does not for any reason either open finder and look under apps and choose time 
machine.If you need to  you can choose the backup drive  and click to show 
it  the time machine app that is.
Louis


From: Helga Schreiber
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac 
computer before updating to Sierra

Hi all! How are you all? So I want to back up my mac before updating to 
Sierra 

Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra

[Donna Goodin]

Yep.  I've used a portable drive for Time Machine backups since getting my 
first Mac in 2009.  Works like a charm, no need for a router or anything else.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> What on earth gave you the idea that you need an airport express router or a 
> time  capsule to do a back up? I have a hard drive that I've had for too long 
> frankly, and it houses my time machine back up with no time capsule and no 
> router. Just connect a hard drive and do the back up.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Singing Sparrow  > wrote:
> 
>> I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back up 
>> and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and the 
>> like for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back up 
>> would be more of the slutation then time machine.
>> 
>> On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self talk.
>>> 
>>> Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot off 
>>> the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup 
>>> solutions aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a 
>>> database or in an on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s not 
>>> a full backup.  If you restore from time machine you’ll get back to exactly 
>>> where you were when that snapshot was taken.  IF I used a terabyte tape 
>>> library would that make my backup less valid because you don’t boot from 
>>> tape?  I don’t get it. 
>>> 
>>> Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that 
>>> school data just fine.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 > wrote:
 
 The problem with Time Machine is, it's not an exact image of your drive.  
 It's great for basic things, and for backing up your apps, files, and 
 settings, but if you want to really get technical, it's not, at the end of 
 the day, a true OS backup regardless what anyone says.  For instance, show 
 me how to boot from a time machine backup.  You can't.  Point I hope 
 taken.  At least, if you *can!* literally boot from a  drive soly created 
 by TM, then I'm totally unaware of how to do so.
  
 This is exactly why I use Super Duper.  Though they'd encourage you to buy 
 and register it, you don't actually have to.  It never will expire on you, 
 but there are just some features that won't be enabled.  Those features by 
 no means are door stoppers though.  For instance.  I'm a pro musician as a 
 lot of you know.
  
 So, when a new major OS like this comes out, it's always the million 
 dollar question, will ProTools work with this OS with no problems?  At 
 first, usually, the answer is no.  But, I always try anyway.  This being 
 said, I don't use Time Machine for those situations.  I'll instead fire up 
 Super Dooper, take an exact bootable, mind you, snapshot image of my 
 drive's current state, then, I'll update, and if something goes 
 disastrous, it's no big deal.  I just roll back from that image I made, 
 and within an hour or two, I'm downgraded and right back in perfect 
 working order as if I'd never updated to start with.
  
 So yeah, call me weird.  I like the idea of what Apple did with Time 
 Machine, but I just don't think it's fair to tell people it's a full 
 backup sollution.  It's not.  It sort of is, but it sort of isn't, if you 
 catch my jidst.  If all you want is to back up your files, settings, and 
 apps, then OK, whatever, go for it, but if you're really wanting to be the 
 most optimally safe as possible, then look  into a full backup sollution 
 like Super Duper, or Carbon Copy Cloner, etc.  Trust me, in the long run, 
 it just may save you a day or more of hard hard work.
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
  
 i...@gillandmarketing.com 
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message -
> From: lscrivani 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac 
> computer before updating to Sierra
> 
>   Time machine is extremely easy to use,  almost as soon as you connect 
> your back up drive to the computer it will come up and start the backup.  
> If it does not for any reason either open finder and look under apps and 
> choose time machine.If you need to  you can choose the backup drive  
> and click to show it  

Re: macos sierra accessibility especially with braille how is it so far?

[Blee Blat]

I'm not hitting any issues with anything here. The copy and paste thing is neat 
but I don't use Siri so I can't comment on that. I might screw around with it 
just to see how well it learns things, but I don't need dictation enough to 
care, because often the times when it would be useful, it tends to be too noisy 
where I'm at to dictate.

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