Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

Oh, that's too bad.  I was really hoping that by holding off a while, I'd get a 
better processor.  Maybe I'll check out the 13-inch MBP.  Thanks, Mary.
Donna
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 7:53 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I think they dropped the price of the 13 inch MacBook Pro, but I could be 
> mistaking that for something else. The processor bump for the NBA was not to 
> the new generation of processors. It was just a speed bump.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:51 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, that'll do for me.  The MBP is a little rich for my blood.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The NBA got a processor bump. That's it.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
 excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
> 
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>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
>> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
>> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
>> the device starts a
>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Mary Otten]

I think they dropped the price of the 13 inch MacBook Pro, but I could be 
mistaking that for something else. The processor bump for the NBA was not to 
the new generation of processors. It was just a speed bump.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:51 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hmm, that'll do for me.  The MBP is a little rich for my blood.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> The NBA got a processor bump. That's it.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
>>> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
> 
> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 
> GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the 
> device starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

Hmm, that'll do for me.  The MBP is a little rich for my blood.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> The NBA got a processor bump. That's it.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
>> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>>> 
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>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 So what does everyone think of the announcements.
 
 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
 new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB 
 of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
 starts a
 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

Yep.  I completely agree.  I don't use external keyboards either, so am looking 
forward to this.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:49 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Not sure how this will work with VO but a flick down on a key will bring up 
> another character. Therefore this should work on current screens. We probably 
> will not know until public beta. I like the sound of this change as I do not 
> use external keyboards with my phone.
> 
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> On 6/5/2017 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Oh, wow, a single keyboard would sure be nice.  How do they plan to 
>> accomplish that?  Will the next generation of phones be bigger to 
>> accommodate the full keyboard?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to get 
>>> numbers or punctuation.
>>> 
>>>  Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably like 
>>> Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>> 
>>>  iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I still 
>>> have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I had the 
>>> bucks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
 excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
>> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
>> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
>> the device starts a
>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, ET.
Donna
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 7:00 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Ah, I found the list of devices in regards to iOS 11.
> 
>   Not Supported:
> iPhone 5
> iPhone 5c
> iPad 3
> iPad 4
> 
>   Supported:
> iPhone 7
> iPhone 7 Plus
> iPhone 6s
> iPhone 6s Plus
> iPhone 6
> iPhone 6 Plus
> iPhone SE
> iPhone 5s
> 6th generation iPod Touch
> 
> iPad:
> New 9.7-inch iPad
> 12.9-inch iPad Pro
> 9.7-inch iPad Pro
> iPad Air 2
> iPad Air
> iPad mini 4
> iPad mini 3
> iPad mini 2
> iPad 5
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> On 6/5/2017 4:00 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> The 5S will be eligible, amazingly. My old iPad mini 2 is apparently 
>> eligible as well. So that's four years of use from a 5S or a mini too. Not 
>> too bad.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What I phone do you have. Will there bbe issues with an I phone 6 or 7 
>>> getting I os 11. What about an ipod or I pad that is a year or 2 old as 
>>> well. just wondering.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>>   I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 So what does everyone think of the announcements.
 
 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
 new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB 
 of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
 starts a
 
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Re: An Unexpected iOS App Store VoiceOver Bug

[Michelle's Home Emails]

Hi Mark 

Many apolagies. 

Michelle 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Jun 2017, at 4:15 am, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Michelle,
> 
> My first name is Mark.
> 
> I hope that you reported this bug, as I did, to Apple.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: An Unexpected iOS App Store VoiceOver Bug
> 
> Hi Taylor 
> 
> Michelle stevens here, 
> 
> Same happened with me, I thought I was doing something wrong. I had a 
> response from Microsoft with "their new version of office 365 for iphone. 
> 
> Best wishes
> Michelle 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 3:46 am, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I am not certain if this has been discussed, on-list, but yesterday, I 
>> received a developer reply to my latest review.
>> 
>> Even though the text of the reply was on-screen, VoiceOver would not 
>> read the text of the reply but only that of my original review.
>> 
>> I have reported this to Apple and, hopefully, this very unexpected 
>> VoiceOver bug will be addressed in a future release of the OS.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 

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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[E.T.]

   Ah, I found the list of devices in regards to iOS 11.

   Not Supported:
iPhone 5
iPhone 5c
iPad 3
iPad 4

   Supported:
iPhone 7
iPhone 7 Plus
iPhone 6s
iPhone 6s Plus
iPhone 6
iPhone 6 Plus
iPhone SE
iPhone 5s
6th generation iPod Touch

iPad:
New 9.7-inch iPad
12.9-inch iPad Pro
9.7-inch iPad Pro
iPad Air 2
iPad Air
iPad mini 4
iPad mini 3
iPad mini 2
iPad 5

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On 6/5/2017 4:00 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

The 5S will be eligible, amazingly. My old iPad mini 2 is apparently eligible 
as well. So that's four years of use from a 5S or a mini too. Not too bad.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:

What I phone do you have. Will there bbe issues with an I phone 6 or 7 getting 
I os 11. What about an ipod or I pad that is a year or 2 old as well. just 
wondering.

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   I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.

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On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
So what does everyone think of the announcements.

Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the new 
iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of RAM as 
well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts a



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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

Mary, you are correct apple is playing catch up witheh home automation systems. 
Like gogole and amazon havea leg up on apple and apple is playing catc up. 
There are smething I like about apple and ther are something I don’t and so 
lets just leav it at  that .  

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I think the BMW Zepplin ran around six or seven. And that was just an airplay 
speaker with no smart at all. So this really isn't out of line if the sound is 
what it needs to be to play in that game, and if they have done something with 
Siri, which is pretty lousy. They bragged about the very tight integration with 
Apple Music, which is all very well and good, but there are so many gaps that 
Siri has I hope they're not counting on just that one thing to impress people.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:25 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Totally agree with you. that’s  nott that  bad. I have a  5.1 sound system 
> that  cost more than those $700 book shelfs. They are about $3500 .   also 
> have a Samsung oled which I paid about $6500 back in the day.  
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:16 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> Well, to be interesting, this speaker is going to have to sound a whole hell 
> of a lot better than anything Amazon has produced. That doesn't sound all 
> that great. I'm looking at this as a sort of a replacement for a regular 
> stereo system in a room that's not too large. $700 were really nice stereo 
> pair of bookshelf speakers isn't all that awful. Think about the higher and 
> bookshelf speakers like BMW. Or other high-end makers of speakers. If these 
> are in that class, then that's a whole different thing than what you get from 
> something like the echo, which sells for about half the price I guess, but 
> isn't all that special. It's also not all that smart, and the skills are, in 
> my opinion, a pain in the butt, because they are very reliant on the Alexa 
> app, plus you have to actually find them. It's not intuitive. So Apple could 
> do something good. But will they?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:50 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> I am not impressed with this speaker. Google home and echo are both 
>> already pretty nice and they are going for being smart. The Home pod 
>> seems to be geared towards music. Oh did I forget it's priced more 
>> than I am willing to pay. $350 wow really apple. Now the new mac Pro 
>> seems to be pretty powerful. I don't need anything that pricy but if 
>> I had the cash I would maybe consider. Duel booting one of those 
>> babies and calling it a day. Sad times about the keyboard though. I 
>> am not a fan of the new keyboards.
>> 
>>> On 6/5/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a 
>>> stereo pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act 
>>> together with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. 
>>> The idea that this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it 
>>> is in a room and adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am 
>>> not the least bit interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is 
>>> absurd for anything I would want. I'm disappointed about the mini 
>>> not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I think the new stuff 
>>> for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, although I will be 
>>> curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was excited about 
>>> the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes the 
>>> number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same 
>>> awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys.
>>> No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really 
>>> works well for touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the 
>>> serious typing in the world.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados 
 
 wrote:
 
 So what does everyone think of the announcements.
 
 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
 but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 
 cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty 
 hot.  Granted the device starts a
 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Mary Otten]

The 5S will be eligible, amazingly. My old iPad mini 2 is apparently eligible 
as well. So that's four years of use from a 5S or a mini too. Not too bad.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> What I phone do you have. Will there bbe issues with an I phone 6 or 7 
> getting I os 11. What about an ipod or I pad that is a year or 2 old as well. 
> just wondering.  
> 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
>I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
> 
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>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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> 
>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>> starts a
>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Mary Otten]

I think the BMW Zepplin ran around six or seven. And that was just an airplay 
speaker with no smart at all. So this really isn't out of line if the sound is 
what it needs to be to play in that game, and if they have done something with 
Siri, which is pretty lousy. They bragged about the very tight integration with 
Apple Music, which is all very well and good, but there are so many gaps that 
Siri has I hope they're not counting on just that one thing to impress people.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:25 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Totally agree with you. that’s  nott that  bad. I have a  5.1 sound system 
> that  cost more than those $700 book shelfs. They are about $3500 .   also 
> have a Samsung oled which I paid about $6500 back in the day.  
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:16 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> Well, to be interesting, this speaker is going to have to sound a whole hell 
> of a lot better than anything Amazon has produced. That doesn't sound all 
> that great. I'm looking at this as a sort of a replacement for a regular 
> stereo system in a room that's not too large. $700 were really nice stereo 
> pair of bookshelf speakers isn't all that awful. Think about the higher and 
> bookshelf speakers like BMW. Or other high-end makers of speakers. If these 
> are in that class, then that's a whole different thing than what you get from 
> something like the echo, which sells for about half the price I guess, but 
> isn't all that special. It's also not all that smart, and the skills are, in 
> my opinion, a pain in the butt, because they are very reliant on the Alexa 
> app, plus you have to actually find them. It's not intuitive. So Apple could 
> do something good. But will they?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:50 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> I am not impressed with this speaker. Google home and echo are both 
>> already pretty nice and they are going for being smart. The Home pod 
>> seems to be geared towards music. Oh did I forget it's priced more 
>> than I am willing to pay. $350 wow really apple. Now the new mac Pro 
>> seems to be pretty powerful. I don't need anything that pricy but if I 
>> had the cash I would maybe consider. Duel booting one of those babies 
>> and calling it a day. Sad times about the keyboard though. I am not a 
>> fan of the new keyboards.
>> 
>>> On 6/5/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a 
>>> stereo pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act 
>>> together with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The 
>>> idea that this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it is 
>>> in a room and adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am not 
>>> the least bit interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is 
>>> absurd for anything I would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not 
>>> getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I think the new stuff for 
>>> the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, although I will be 
>>> curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was excited about 
>>> the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes the 
>>> number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same 
>>> awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. 
>>> No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works 
>>> well for touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious 
>>> typing in the world.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados 
 
 wrote:
 
 So what does everyone think of the announcements.
 
 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
 but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 
 cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty 
 hot.  Granted the device starts a
 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Mary Otten]

The NBA got a processor bump. That's it.
Mary


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> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people excited 
> about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>> 
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>>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>> starts a
>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[E.T.]

   Not sure how this will work with VO but a flick down on a key will 
bring up another character. Therefore this should work on current 
screens. We probably will not know until public beta. I like the sound 
of this change as I do not use external keyboards with my phone.


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On 6/5/2017 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Oh, wow, a single keyboard would sure be nice.  How do they plan to accomplish 
that?  Will the next generation of phones be bigger to accommodate the full 
keyboard?
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to get 
numbers or punctuation.

  Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably like 
Finder. Also a document scan function.

  iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I still 
have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I had the bucks.

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On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people excited 
about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.

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On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

So what does everyone think of the announcements.

Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the new 
iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of RAM as 
well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts a



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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

Oh, wow, a single keyboard would sure be nice.  How do they plan to accomplish 
that?  Will the next generation of phones be bigger to accommodate the full 
keyboard?
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to get 
> numbers or punctuation.
> 
>   Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably like 
> Finder. Also a document scan function.
> 
>   iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I still 
> have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I had the bucks.
> 
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> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
>> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>>> 
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>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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>>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 So what does everyone think of the announcements.
 
 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
 new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB 
 of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
 starts a
 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[lenron brown]

Don't have cash to just throw around like that and to me the echo is
pretty smart for half the price why not. I mean I don't mind spending
a nice amount of money on something that's not found in a cheaper
product. Like the new mac pro that they talked about today sounds like
it's worth the big bucks even though they probably could have priced
it a tiny bit cheaper it's apple so that's not what they about. As
long as you can spend that 5 or 6K and have it last you a few years.

On 6/5/17, gary-melconian  wrote:
> What I phone do you have. Will there bbe issues with an I phone 6 or 7
> getting I os 11. What about an ipod or I pad that is a year or 2 old as
> well. just wondering.
>
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>
> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS
> 11.
>
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> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the
>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB
>> of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device
>> starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[E.T.]

   I have the 5. iPad 4th and older is out too.

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On 6/5/2017 3:27 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

What I phone do you have. Will there bbe issues with an I phone 6 or 7 getting 
I os 11. What about an ipod or I pad that is a year or 2 old as well. just 
wondering.

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I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

So what does everyone think of the announcements.

Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the new 
iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of RAM as 
well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts a





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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[E.T.]

   A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching 
to get numbers or punctuation.


   Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
like Finder. Also a document scan function.


   iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
had the bucks.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people excited 
about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

So what does everyone think of the announcements.

Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the new 
iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of RAM as 
well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts a



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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

What I phone do you have. Will there bbe issues with an I phone 6 or 7 getting 
I os 11. What about an ipod or I pad that is a year or 2 old as well. just 
wondering.  

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Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>
> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts 
> a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Donna Goodin]

So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people excited 
about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>> starts a
>> 
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

Totally agree with you. that’s  nott that  bad. I have a  5.1 sound system that 
 cost more than those $700 book shelfs. They are about $3500 .   also have a 
Samsung oled which I paid about $6500 back in the day.  

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Well, to be interesting, this speaker is going to have to sound a whole hell of 
a lot better than anything Amazon has produced. That doesn't sound all that 
great. I'm looking at this as a sort of a replacement for a regular stereo 
system in a room that's not too large. $700 were really nice stereo pair of 
bookshelf speakers isn't all that awful. Think about the higher and bookshelf 
speakers like BMW. Or other high-end makers of speakers. If these are in that 
class, then that's a whole different thing than what you get from something 
like the echo, which sells for about half the price I guess, but isn't all that 
special. It's also not all that smart, and the skills are, in my opinion, a 
pain in the butt, because they are very reliant on the Alexa app, plus you have 
to actually find them. It's not intuitive. So Apple could do something good. 
But will they?


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> On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:50 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> I am not impressed with this speaker. Google home and echo are both 
> already pretty nice and they are going for being smart. The Home pod 
> seems to be geared towards music. Oh did I forget it's priced more 
> than I am willing to pay. $350 wow really apple. Now the new mac Pro 
> seems to be pretty powerful. I don't need anything that pricy but if I 
> had the cash I would maybe consider. Duel booting one of those babies 
> and calling it a day. Sad times about the keyboard though. I am not a 
> fan of the new keyboards.
> 
>> On 6/5/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a 
>> stereo pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act 
>> together with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The 
>> idea that this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it is 
>> in a room and adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am not 
>> the least bit interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is 
>> absurd for anything I would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not 
>> getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I think the new stuff for 
>> the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, although I will be 
>> curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was excited about 
>> the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes the 
>> number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same 
>> awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. 
>> No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works 
>> well for touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious 
>> typing in the world.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
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>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 
>>> cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty 
>>> hot.  Granted the device starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[E.T.]

   I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.

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On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

So what does everyone think of the announcements.

Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the new 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Mary Otten]

Well, to be interesting, this speaker is going to have to sound a whole hell of 
a lot better than anything Amazon has produced. That doesn't sound all that 
great. I'm looking at this as a sort of a replacement for a regular stereo 
system in a room that's not too large. $700 were really nice stereo pair of 
bookshelf speakers isn't all that awful. Think about the higher and bookshelf 
speakers like BMW. Or other high-end makers of speakers. If these are in that 
class, then that's a whole different thing than what you get from something 
like the echo, which sells for about half the price I guess, but isn't all that 
special. It's also not all that smart, and the skills are, in my opinion, a 
pain in the butt, because they are very reliant on the Alexa app, plus you have 
to actually find them. It's not intuitive. So Apple could do something good. 
But will they?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:50 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> I am not impressed with this speaker. Google home and echo are both
> already pretty nice and they are going for being smart. The Home pod
> seems to be geared towards music. Oh did I forget it's priced more
> than I am willing to pay. $350 wow really apple. Now the new mac Pro
> seems to be pretty powerful. I don't need anything that pricy but if I
> had the cash I would maybe consider. Duel booting one of those babies
> and calling it a day. Sad times about the keyboard though. I am not a
> fan of the new keyboards.
> 
>> On 6/5/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo
>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with
>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new
>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its
>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the
>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm
>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I
>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential,
>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was
>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes
>> the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same
>> awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been
>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No
>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for
>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the
>> world.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the
>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB
>>> of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device
>>> starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[lenron brown]

I am not impressed with this speaker. Google home and echo are both
already pretty nice and they are going for being smart. The Home pod
seems to be geared towards music. Oh did I forget it's priced more
than I am willing to pay. $350 wow really apple. Now the new mac Pro
seems to be pretty powerful. I don't need anything that pricy but if I
had the cash I would maybe consider. Duel booting one of those babies
and calling it a day. Sad times about the keyboard though. I am not a
fan of the new keyboards.

On 6/5/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo
> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with
> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new
> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its
> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the
> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm
> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I
> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential,
> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was
> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes
> the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same
> awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been
> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No
> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for
> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the
> world.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados 
>> wrote:
>>
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the
>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB
>> of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device
>> starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Mary Otten]

I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo pair, 
if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with Siri. It's 
clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new speaker will be 
smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its output accordingly is 
interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The 
price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not 
getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I think the new stuff for the iPad in 
iOS 11 has really good potential, although I will be curious to see how it all 
works with voiceover. I was excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth 
keyboard and that includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I 
realized it has the same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that 
Apple has been producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the 
keys. No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works 
well for touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing 
in the world.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
> 
> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts 
> a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Robin]

Will Apple's HomePod (Siri Speaker) have a 3.5MM 
HeadPhone Jack or a Lighting Connector? Just WonderIn

At 02:09 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:
The HomePod speaker looks really interesting, 
and I'm looking forward to it. It has great 
features but ultimately the audio quality will 
make or break it for me since I am very fussy about audio quality in general.
The new iMac pro should cover the needs of most 
professional users and looks like a great 
solution, personally I will never need that much power though.
I am a bit disappointed that The normal iMac's 
doesn't come with SSD Storage options as 
standard. SSD drives is the future, and in my 
opinion the fusion drives isn't that great. 
Maybe if it came with a 1 TB spinning drive with 
like 128 GB SSD as standard. When it's time to 
upgrade my iMac, i'll definitely configure it 
with a SSD even though it will work out quite expensive.



On the software side I'm glad to see a big siri 
update, but apart from that there's nothing 
really revolutionary about iOS11 and macOS.


Sent from my iPhone

> On 05 Jun 2017, at 22:38, Scott Granados  wrote:
>
> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>
> Personally, I’m going to leave the home 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Nickus de Vos]

It was on earlier today, 4 hours ago. 

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> On 05 Jun 2017, at 22:47, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Believe that was today I’m seeing lots of popups from it in the news.
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:46 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> When is the presentation for the WC thing on?
>>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 21:44, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry with this damn new laptop I hit send on the light bar accidentally.
>>> 
>>> The Macs start at $5000 but boy do they sound nice.  What did others think 
>>> of the presentation?
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Scott Granados  
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 So what does everyone think of the announcements.
 
 Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Nickus de Vos]

The HomePod speaker looks really interesting, and I'm looking forward to it. It 
has great features but ultimately the audio quality will make or break it for 
me since I am very fussy about audio quality in general.
The new iMac pro should cover the needs of most professional users and looks 
like a great solution, personally I will never need that much power though. 
I am a bit disappointed that The normal iMac's doesn't come with SSD Storage 
options as standard. SSD drives is the future, and in my opinion the fusion 
drives isn't that great. Maybe if it came with a 1 TB spinning drive with like 
128 GB SSD as standard. When it's time to upgrade my iMac, i'll definitely 
configure it with a SSD even though it will work out quite expensive.


On the software side I'm glad to see a big siri update, but apart from that 
there's nothing really revolutionary about iOS11 and macOS. 

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
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> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

Believe that was today I’m seeing lots of popups from it in the news.

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:46 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> When is the presentation for the WC thing on?
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 21:44, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry with this damn new laptop I hit send on the light bar accidentally.
>> 
>> The Macs start at $5000 but boy do they sound nice.  What did others think 
>> of the presentation?
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>> starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

When is the presentation for the WC thing on?
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 21:44, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Sorry with this damn new laptop I hit send on the light bar accidentally.
> 
> The Macs start at $5000 but boy do they sound nice.  What did others think of 
> the presentation?
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>> starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

Sorry with this damn new laptop I hit send on the light bar accidentally.

The Macs start at $5000 but boy do they sound nice.  What did others think of 
the presentation?

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
> 
> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts 
> a
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

BTW, what do you think of the iMac pro?

Mine will probably cost over 10,000 but I’m going to get one.

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the machine.  Is 
> that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as well,
>> 
>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from mains 
>> power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the machine,
>> They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power connectivity 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini does not 
>> have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have plugged that 
>> MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really unplugged it much so 
>> I forgot.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed 
>>> 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the 
>>> magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I convinced 
>> him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>> 
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch 
>> which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the 
>> Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is 
>> better than the second Gen.
>> 
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on 
>> it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac Safe 
>> plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac Safe plug. 
>>  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I 
>> don't know when I will purchase another Apple computer as both my 
>> computers are going strong and as long as I can run the latest software 
>> on them then it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't 
>> be able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy 
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do that, 
>> I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass 
>>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model 
>>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks 
>>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t 
>>> say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>> The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
>>> physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and 
>>> also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting 
>>> Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
>>> The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
>>> does on the Mac proper.
>>> The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
>>> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses 
>>> USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports 
>>> on all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight 
>>> size difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong 
>>> port.  All your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older 
>>> standard and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they 
>>> aren’t included.
>>> While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 
>>> 3.5 MM jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you 
>>> have to use different headphones.
>>> The things I do like 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Hi Kawal, magsafe is the magnetic connector that used to be used on laptops.  
It’s a round connector with a flat side that sticks with a magnet in to the 
port.


> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the machine.  Is 
> that not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as well,
>> 
>> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from mains 
>> power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the machine,
>> They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power connectivity 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini does not 
>> have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have plugged that 
>> MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really unplugged it much so 
>> I forgot.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed 
>>> 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the 
>>> magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I convinced 
>> him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>> 
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch 
>> which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the 
>> Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is 
>> better than the second Gen.
>> 
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on 
>> it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac Safe 
>> plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac Safe plug. 
>>  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I 
>> don't know when I will purchase another Apple computer as both my 
>> computers are going strong and as long as I can run the latest software 
>> on them then it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't 
>> be able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy 
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do that, 
>> I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass 
>>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model 
>>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks 
>>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t 
>>> say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>> The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
>>> physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and 
>>> also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting 
>>> Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
>>> The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
>>> does on the Mac proper.
>>> The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
>>> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses 
>>> USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports 
>>> on all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight 
>>> size difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong 
>>> port.  All your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older 
>>> standard and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they 
>>> aren’t included.
>>> While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 
>>> 3.5 MM jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you 
>>> have to use 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

My IMac has a round circle type of cable in the middle of the machine.  Is that 
not a Mac Safe?  I thought it was.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 00:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I'd be very surprised if your Imac had a magsafe power adaptor  as well,
> 
> I work with iMacs from 2009 to 2016 models and all of them run from mains 
> power with a single cable into the middle of the back of the machine,
> They have not to this point made an iMac with magsafe power connectivity 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:33 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.  My MacMini does not 
> have a Mac Safe.  I got confused as my I Mac does.  I have plugged that 
> MacMini in more than two years ago and have not really unplugged it much so I 
> forgot.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed 
>> 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the 
>> magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>> 
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I convinced 
> him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
> 
> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch 
> which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the 
> Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is 
> better than the second Gen.
> 
> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on 
> it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac Safe 
> plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac Safe plug.  
> I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I 
> don't know when I will purchase another Apple computer as both my 
> computers are going strong and as long as I can run the latest software 
> on them then it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't 
> be able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy another 
> IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max 
> out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
> 
> Kawal. 
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass 
>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model 
>> laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks 
>> and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say 
>> but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>  The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical 
>> keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires 
>> when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you 
>> want to start or stop voice over.
>>  The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
>> the Mac proper.
>>  The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
>> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses 
>> USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on 
>> all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size 
>> difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All 
>> your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard 
>> and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t 
>> included.
>>  While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM 
>> jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you have to use 
>> different headphones.
>>  The things I do like are the battery life is very good, it’s very fast 
>> and the new processors do very well running virtual images.  But it’s 
>> just not fun to use.  My mid 2015 model is so much more enjoyable to 
>> type on and all my cables work.  Apple your laptops this year are a miss 
>> in my opinion.  I won’t go back to 

So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

So what does everyone think of the announcements.

Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the new 
iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of RAM as 
well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts a

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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Thisis myt approach 3 2 1 backup. That mean 3 version  of  anything , 2 
different sources  that being external drive, ddvd, or usb key, one  backup 
storage in the cloud. That backup approach has been thought to me by pros in 
the photo industry who follow this approach.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 11:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Chris,
I am not a speed demon. I plan tasks so I can walk away and do some fun 
things like watching tv or sleeping. Been times I knew a task might take hours 
so I do those at night.

I had a WD drive go south and it had data not stored elsewhere. So I am now 
a believer in redundancy. This is why I am more concerned about the reliability 
factor.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 11:12 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Seems like an external SSD would slow things down to whatever the 
> limit is on your USB. USB 2.0 real-world throughput usually peaks at 
> about 30MB/s or so. If you don't have to have the speed, such as for 
> backups or archvies, spinning disks are a lot cheaper per GB. USB 3.0 
> seems to peak at around 200MB/s. The internal SSD on a MacBook can hit 
> around 1900MBs read speeds. The 1TB spinning disk external USB 3 drive 
> on my Mac Mini seems to peak at about 60MB/s but I just use it for 
> archiving old files that I might need someday to save space on the internal 
> fast SSD.
>
> CB
>
> On 6/5/17 11:35 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> Chris,
>>I replaced the spinning drive with an SSD, much faster. I put the 
>> old drive into an OWC USB enclosure, and may use it as a backup.
>>
>>Currently I use some WD My Passport externals for backups, keeping 
>> Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner on separate drives. As funds come 
>> in, I may look at using external SSD drives. Do you reckon that an 
>> SSD is more reliable that I could use one large drive and partition it?
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 6/4/2017 8:27 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an 
>>> online upgrade matching page here:
>>>
>>> https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/
>>>
>>> So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 
>>> 12,1, in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:
>>>
>>> https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/
>>>
>>> It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:
 Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen 
 to have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the 
 fact that this drive on some places is close to $900.

 On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB 
> SSD. I got the Other World Computing bundle which included the 
> special screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external 
> drive case to put her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit 
> is currently $389. I probably could have found the raw drive and 
> such cheaper elsewhere but I knew the OWC set would work.
>
> CB
>
> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>> Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just 
>> upgrade  a machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the 
>> brand nname ones. I picked it up off of amazon.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron 
>> brown
>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of 
>> laptops
>>
>> Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this 
>> computer can last because there is no way I want or can really 
>> upgrade to another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is 
>> going to cost me almost 300 for a
>> 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I 
>> have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get 
>> it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the price for 
>> building a computer.
>> Hope to
>> see some nice 

Step by step instructions to use karabiner as a remapping tool for fusion?

[Scott Granados]

Hi,
A while ago I found an article which walks you through remapping your keys for 
use of JFW under VM fusion.  It had a very good step by step including mapping 
the insert and application keys to something temporary and then finishing the 
mapping.  I can’t find this article anywhere to save my life.  Does anyone have 
a pointer or a pointer to something similar.  I’m trying to remap and not 
having much luck.

Thanks

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RE: Vo-shift-home or end does not take e me to the end of text

[Matthew Dyer]

Also,

Make  sure you are interacting with the text before you do this and you should 
be fine.

Matthew



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Hi Ramy 

Michelle stevens here, 

I think you have to use the fn key as well as the VO keys with your left, right 
up down arrows? 

Michelle 


Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Jun 2017, at 10:45 am, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Hello:
> 
> I’m Using the Full size mac Keyboard,  when i’m inside the text edit, using, 
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Re: Which iPads run Swift Playground?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I think it was iOS 10 when the Swift Playgrounds app was released.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 01:00, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> The mini 4 and air 2 I believe the swift playground came out on, but in I 
> think it was in IOS 9 on those devices,
> 
> I don't believe it worked on the older devices.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For a while now, I've had a curiosity to mess around with Swift Playground.  
> Problem is, I don't have an iPad, and Swift Playground would be the only 
> reason I would buy one, which seems kind of silly.  My husband is offering to 
> let me use his iPad, but it's a couple of years old.  Does anyone happen to 
> know how recent the iPad model needs to be to run Swift Playground?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[E.T.]

Chris,
   I am not a speed demon. I plan tasks so I can walk away and do some 
fun things like watching tv or sleeping. Been times I knew a task might 
take hours so I do those at night.


   I had a WD drive go south and it had data not stored elsewhere. So I 
am now a believer in redundancy. This is why I am more concerned about 
the reliability factor.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 11:12 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Seems like an external SSD would slow things down to whatever the limit
is on your USB. USB 2.0 real-world throughput usually peaks at about
30MB/s or so. If you don't have to have the speed, such as for backups
or archvies, spinning disks are a lot cheaper per GB. USB 3.0 seems to
peak at around 200MB/s. The internal SSD on a MacBook can hit around
1900MBs read speeds. The 1TB spinning disk external USB 3 drive on my
Mac Mini seems to peak at about 60MB/s but I just use it for archiving
old files that I might need someday to save space on the internal fast SSD.

CB

On 6/5/17 11:35 AM, E.T. wrote:

Chris,
   I replaced the spinning drive with an SSD, much faster. I put the
old drive into an OWC USB enclosure, and may use it as a backup.

   Currently I use some WD My Passport externals for backups, keeping
Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner on separate drives. As funds come
in, I may look at using external SSD drives. Do you reckon that an SSD
is more reliable that I could use one large drive and partition it?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 8:27 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
online upgrade matching page here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/

So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 12,1,
in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/

It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.

CB

On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
that this drive on some places is close to $900.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:

My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB
SSD. I
got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to
put
her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere
but I
knew the OWC set would work.

CB

On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just
upgrade  a
machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname
ones. I
picked it up off of amazon.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this
computer can
last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
another. I
mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300
for a
256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have
to get
someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for
nothing
but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer.
Hope to
see some nice stuff from wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
wasn't
a few months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
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On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce 
wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e.
It is
fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
externally. Or
does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce 
wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power 

RE: An Unexpected iOS App Store VoiceOver Bug

[M. Taylor]

Hello Michelle,

My first name is Mark.

I hope that you reported this bug, as I did, to Apple.

Mark

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On Behalf Of Michelle's Home Emails
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 7:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: An Unexpected iOS App Store VoiceOver Bug

Hi Taylor 

Michelle stevens here, 

Same happened with me, I thought I was doing something wrong. I had a response 
from Microsoft with "their new version of office 365 for iphone. 

Best wishes
Michelle 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jun 2017, at 3:46 am, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I am not certain if this has been discussed, on-list, but yesterday, I 
> received a developer reply to my latest review.
> 
> Even though the text of the reply was on-screen, VoiceOver would not 
> read the text of the reply but only that of my original review.
> 
> I have reported this to Apple and, hopefully, this very unexpected 
> VoiceOver bug will be addressed in a future release of the OS.
> 
> Mark
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Seems like an external SSD would slow things down to whatever the limit 
is on your USB. USB 2.0 real-world throughput usually peaks at about 
30MB/s or so. If you don't have to have the speed, such as for backups 
or archvies, spinning disks are a lot cheaper per GB. USB 3.0 seems to 
peak at around 200MB/s. The internal SSD on a MacBook can hit around 
1900MBs read speeds. The 1TB spinning disk external USB 3 drive on my 
Mac Mini seems to peak at about 60MB/s but I just use it for archiving 
old files that I might need someday to save space on the internal fast SSD.


CB

On 6/5/17 11:35 AM, E.T. wrote:

Chris,
   I replaced the spinning drive with an SSD, much faster. I put the 
old drive into an OWC USB enclosure, and may use it as a backup.


   Currently I use some WD My Passport externals for backups, keeping 
Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner on separate drives. As funds come 
in, I may look at using external SSD drives. Do you reckon that an SSD 
is more reliable that I could use one large drive and partition it?


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 8:27 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
online upgrade matching page here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/

So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 12,1,
in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/

It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.

CB

On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
that this drive on some places is close to $900.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB 
SSD. I

got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to 
put

her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere 
but I

knew the OWC set would work.

CB

On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just
upgrade  a
machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname 
ones. I

picked it up off of amazon.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this
computer can
last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to 
another. I

mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300
for a
256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have
to get
someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for 
nothing

but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer.
Hope to
see some nice stuff from wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it 
wasn't

a few months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall




On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  
wrote:


Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. 
It is
fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
externally. Or

does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.
On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  
wrote:


Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena

On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of 
money

to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I 

Anyone selling an iPhone 6s, 6s+, 7, or 7 plus?

[Cameron Strife]

Hi everyone. Looking to buy a verizon or unlocked iPhone. If you've
got what I'm after, I can pay you in full immediately via pay pal.

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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Thasts one place I regulary go for ssd fro even windows pc as well. also like 
Kingstoneas well.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 6:58 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

 

Lenron, check out crucial.com  , they have drives for less 
money than that.  Not sure if that included installation but I was able to do 
the installation with out sited assistance.  I do have more experience than 
your average user but I didn’t find it hard and bet you could do it your self 
in house.

 

 

On Jun 4, 2017, at 3:10 PM, lenron brown  > wrote:

 

Yeah it is pretty cool to see ya





ll here as well. I hope this computer
can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  > wrote:



The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't a few
months ago when I got a new one.



On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  > wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a laptop. A
quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
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On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed
240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the
magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena




On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.



On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena



On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch
which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the
Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is
better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on
it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac
Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac
Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their
Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will purchase another Apple
computer as both my computers are going strong and as long as I can
run the latest software on them then it's just fine for me.  However,
one of these days we won't be able to run the latest software so then
it will be time to buy another IMac and MacMini as I love both set
ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram
because I will be able to!

Kawal.



On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  >
wrote:

I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a
pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest
model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for
several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I
thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as
follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical
keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also
fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri
when you want to start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does
on the Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my
previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses
USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports
on all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a
slight size difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the
wrong port.  All your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0
the older standard and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get
adapters but they aren’t included.
While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM
jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Yes. Loving those returns from them.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 7:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

 

I can back up the crucial suggestion.  I use their gear and love it, very fast 
drives and Gary being a stock trader knows how well Mikron has been doing both 
on a product level and investment level.  Crucial.com   is 
Mikron as I understand it and I love their memory products from soup to nuts.

 

 

 

On Jun 4, 2017, at 6:54 PM, E.T.  > wrote:

 




>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com  

On 6/4/2017 3:45 PM, gary-melconian wrote:



What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc at home . 
If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  from I would truly 
appreciate it .

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

   I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com  

On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:



Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  > wrote:



The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.



On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  > wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall







On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It
is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena




On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.



On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena



On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!

Kawal.



On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados
 >
wrote:

I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give
someone a pass where it’s not 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[E.T.]

Chris,
   I replaced the spinning drive with an SSD, much faster. I put the 
old drive into an OWC USB enclosure, and may use it as a backup.


   Currently I use some WD My Passport externals for backups, keeping 
Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner on separate drives. As funds come 
in, I may look at using external SSD drives. Do you reckon that an SSD 
is more reliable that I could use one large drive and partition it?


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 8:27 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:

To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
online upgrade matching page here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/

So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 12,1,
in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/

It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.

CB

On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
that this drive on some places is close to $900.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:

My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I
got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put
her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I
knew the OWC set would work.

CB

On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just
upgrade  a
machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I
picked it up off of amazon.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this
computer can
last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I
mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300
for a
256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have
to get
someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing
but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer.
Hope to
see some nice stuff from wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
a few months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall





On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena

On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be
able
to!

Kawal.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados

wrote:

I hate to say 

Re: Keyboards commands are going crazy

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It's not really a bug.  It's due to layering.  When you open Spotlight, an 
invisible layer brings the Spotlight service into focus, therefore, VO works 
within the Spotlight layer.  When you close Spotlight, that layer is still 
there.  The sighted user will not notice it as it is invisible, and when they 
click an item visible to them on the screen, focus is automatically transferred 
to the other app and the selected item.  With VO, you can either press cmd-tab 
to make VO focus go back to the actual Finder, or click the mouse or Trackpad 
to get focus out of the Spotlight layer.

Hope that makes sense.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 5, 2017, at 07:37, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello all:

I face a very strange issue, i made a restart and all are ok, but incase it 
will happen again.
while searching to find an app, i use the spot lite, after this, i can not use 
the Vo keys + shift + c, to go to my computer,, can not go to my disk top, and 
using the vo-f1 twice bring me just 1 window which is the finder.
so, is it usual bug? or i hit something by mistake?
Thanks 

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Re: Vo-shift-home or end does not take e me to the end of text

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

As Anne mentioned, VO-Home and VO-End without the shift is what you're looking 
for.  Alternatively, you can use the method suggested by Alex, both will do 
what you wish.  A reminder that VO-shift-Home and VO-shift-End take you to the 
first and last visible item in the given window or dialog, whereas the VO-Home 
and VO-End take you to the very beginning or end of document, list etc.

Later...



Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 5, 2017, at 08:35, Alex Hall  wrote:

Really, command-up and command-down will be far easier and I recommend using 
them. You also never said whether you are interacting with the right part of 
the app.

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> On Jun 4, 2017, at 22:35, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex:
> Thanks so much Am using a full keyboard, so i have home and end. and all are 
> working outside documents, but inside documents, can not go to the first 
> letter on the document, by using the Vo-shift-home
> why is htis/
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:01 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> You want function-vo-shift-left or right. If you have physical home/end 
>> keys, don't worry about the function key.
>> 
>> The main thing to do, though, is interact with the text field first. The 
>> keystrokes you described move you in whatever you're in, be it a window, 
>> webpage, table, etc. Far easier for text fields is to just use command-up or 
>> down, instead of worrying about VO commands.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 20:45, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello:
>>> 
>>> I’m Using the Full size mac Keyboard,  when i’m inside the text edit, 
>>> using, the Vo-shift-home or end tones not take me to the start or end of my 
>>> document.
>>> any ideas?
>>> Thanks in advance 
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Re: Vo-shift-home or end does not take e me to the end of text

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Really, command-up and command-down will be far easier and I recommend using 
them. You also never said whether you are interacting with the right part of 
the app.

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> On Jun 4, 2017, at 22:35, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Hello Alex:
> Thanks so much Am using a full keyboard, so i have home and end. and all are 
> working outside documents, but inside documents, can not go to the first 
> letter on the document, by using the Vo-shift-home
> why is htis/
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:01 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> You want function-vo-shift-left or right. If you have physical home/end 
>> keys, don't worry about the function key.
>> 
>> The main thing to do, though, is interact with the text field first. The 
>> keystrokes you described move you in whatever you're in, be it a window, 
>> webpage, table, etc. Far easier for text fields is to just use command-up or 
>> down, instead of worrying about VO commands.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 20:45, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello:
>>> 
>>> I’m Using the Full size mac Keyboard,  when i’m inside the text edit, 
>>> using, the Vo-shift-home or end tones not take me to the start or end of my 
>>> document.
>>> any ideas?
>>> Thanks in advance 
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[lenron brown]

Oh it does the PCI drives are much more expensive. Kind of makes me
wish I had an old 2012 model or early 2013. Upgrading that thing would
be a lot cheaper. Yes the site sells the complete kit with the screw
drivers and all.

On 6/5/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I wonder if that has to do with PCI express enabled SSD over regular SATA.
>
>
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 9:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Seem like there is a particular model that requires a different kind of
>> SSD, and a different higher price. Not sure what that point is but I
>> suspect it's the models that don't having spinning drives. I picked up the
>> 13-inch MacBook Pro from the Apple store last August knowing it was an
>> older model, so maybe that saved me some bucks. I was mostly looking for
>> one that still had a CD drive in and the price was good.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 6/5/17 12:30 AM, lenron brown wrote:
>>> Well the cheepest 1 tb drive is $649 and I think that was one that
>>> they opened to test. I am speaking for the late 2013 model and later.
>>> The 2012 Macbook pro could use the older ssd and they are a lot
>>> cheeper. The Cheepest 500 gb ssd goes for 379 and I think that is a
>>> drive they tested as well Brandnew is 450.
>>>
>>> On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
 To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
 online upgrade matching page here:

 https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/

 So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro
 12,1,
 in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:

 https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/

 It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar
 shape.

 CB

 On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:
> Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
> have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
> that this drive on some places is close to $900.
>
> On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD.
>> I
>> got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
>> screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to
>> put
>> her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
>> probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but
>> I
>> knew the OWC set would work.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>>> Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just
>>> upgrade
>>> a
>>> machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones.
>>> I
>>> picked it up off of amazon.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>>
>>> Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this
>>> computer
>>> can
>>> last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another.
>>> I
>>> mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300
>>> for
>>> a
>>> 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have
>>> to
>>> get
>>> someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for
>>> nothing
>>> but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer.
>>> Hope
>>> to
>>> see some nice stuff from wwdc though.
>>>
>>> On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
 wasn't
 a few months ago when I got a new one.
> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>
> --
> Alex Hall
>
>
>
>
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It
>> is
>> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally.
>> Or
>> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gena
>>
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

I wonder if that has to do with PCI express enabled SSD over regular SATA.


> On Jun 5, 2017, at 9:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seem like there is a particular model that requires a different kind of SSD, 
> and a different higher price. Not sure what that point is but I suspect it's 
> the models that don't having spinning drives. I picked up the 13-inch MacBook 
> Pro from the Apple store last August knowing it was an older model, so maybe 
> that saved me some bucks. I was mostly looking for one that still had a CD 
> drive in and the price was good.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/5/17 12:30 AM, lenron brown wrote:
>> Well the cheepest 1 tb drive is $649 and I think that was one that
>> they opened to test. I am speaking for the late 2013 model and later.
>> The 2012 Macbook pro could use the older ssd and they are a lot
>> cheeper. The Cheepest 500 gb ssd goes for 379 and I think that is a
>> drive they tested as well Brandnew is 450.
>> 
>> On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
>>> online upgrade matching page here:
>>> 
>>> https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/
>>> 
>>> So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 12,1,
>>> in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:
>>> 
>>> https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/
>>> 
>>> It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:
 Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
 have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
 that this drive on some places is close to $900.
 
 On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
  wrote:
> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I
> got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
> screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put
> her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
> probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I
> knew the OWC set would work.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>> Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade
>> a
>> machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I
>> picked it up off of amazon.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>> Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
>> can
>> last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I
>> mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for
>> a
>> 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to
>> get
>> someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing
>> but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope
>> to
>> see some nice stuff from wwdc though.
>> 
>> On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
>>> a few months ago when I got a new one.
 On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
 laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
 
 --
 Alex Hall
 
 
 
 
> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
> 
> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Scott.
 
 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Well that’s part of their success, everything is so cooky cutter, all that 
customizAtion would suddenly turn your company from Apple to Dell and Dell has 
had a rough road at times even though I do think Dell has produced a decent 
product at times.

They could include 1 USB-C to 3.0 adapter, I mean they include a lightning to 
3.5MM.  I also think in the laptops they need to include a 3.5MM to lightning 
adapter you’ve been right about that all along.


Well, we’ll see I just bought the Griffin adapter.

> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:55 PM, imon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I believe there is still an issue with audio through  the USB C standard,
> 
> Lets face it apple are always doing things out of the ordinary before others,
> 
> The mag safe power connectors,
> Getting rid of the 3.5" floppy disks in machines,
> The tablet touch devices and phones before others really perfected them,
> Windows mobile 5.5 wasn't up to the standard that the IOS and Android devices 
> are,
> Shrinking machines (Laptops) to a smaller size and still keeping power but 
> giving portability 
> 
> Then removing the iPHone headphone jack on the iPhone,
> 
> It wouldn't surprise me if they bring magsafe back,as for adaptors such as 
> the USB C to USB 3.x or USB C to thunderbolt 3 adaptors are not included 
> because they make them more money and that's what all companys are after, 
> money money money 
> 
> But yeah if they included one of the c to 3 usb adaptors wouldn't hert,
> 
> 
> As for the touch bar, hell I've tried using it and yeah it's cool but not 
> what a blind person really needs,
> I think that apple need to change their customisation lines so that you can 
> make the choices such as the quad core processor max ram and ssd size in a 
> smaller machine without the unrequired features such as the touch bar,
> 
> If I could get a 13"  mac book pro without touch bar with quad core processor 
> and 32GB ram plus min 1TB  ssd and a keyboard I can use like on my 2013 mid 
> 11" air I'd be a happy man but no that's out of the scope of their builds.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 3:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> So I’m with you Lenron and great to see you over here.
> 
> I personally think that this means that lightning will be going away in place 
> of USB-C in the future, but that doesn’t help me today.:). I suspect we’ll 
> see though eventually more standardization in Apple as they release new 
> devices but I think this version could have been handled better.  As you say, 
> why not throw a couple USB-C to USB 3.0 adapters in the box.  This is a PITA 
> for me at work because I still use JFW occasionally and the dongle isn’t 
> USB-C.
> 
> I love my 2015 model too.  I have the 15 inch 2.8 GHz quad core model and 
> love it.
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 11:10 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Well I hope to be using my 2015 model for a few years then. I was not 
>> happy with the look or the ideas of the MBP 2016, not only did they 
>> raise the price. The took away magsafe chargers, And they didn't 
>> provide any adapters when they decided the computer needed to have 4 
>> usb C ports. Most externals still come with usb 3.0 or 2.0 cables. Not 
>> to mention that lightning prt not being on the MBP was a major fail, 
>> after they went and switch to just sellling the phones with lightning 
>> headphones.
>> 
>> On 6/4/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> The MagSafe provides stepped down power from the brick, it’s not 110 
>>> V to the MagSafe.
>>> 
 On Jun 4, 2017, at 6:59 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is 
 fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or 
 does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
 
 As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
 
> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott.
>>> 
>>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>> 
>>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
>>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money 
>>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if 
>>> the third Gen is 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

One thing you’ll want to check Lenron is that your Mac can be opened.  Some 
need a special tool, Crucial.com  should have this 
information and even sell the tool in most cases.  I know the memory isn’t 
upgradable in the newer models but the drives should be as long as you can 
crack open that case.

> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:23 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> this drive is for the mbp 2015? If that's the case will order it soon.
> 
> On 6/4/17, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/4/2017 3:45 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>>> What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc at
>>> home . If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  from I
>>> would truly appreciate it .
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>> 
>>>I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:
 Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
 can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
 another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
 almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
 include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
 could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
 price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
 though.
 
 On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
> wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It
>>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
>>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>> 
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>> 
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
>> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
>> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
>> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
>> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
>> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
>> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
>> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
>> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
>> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able
>> to!
>> 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

I can back up the crucial suggestion.  I use their gear and love it, very fast 
drives and Gary being a stock trader knows how well Mikron has been doing both 
on a product level and investment level.  Crucial.com  is 
Mikron as I understand it and I love their memory products from soup to nuts.



> On Jun 4, 2017, at 6:54 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/4/2017 3:45 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>> What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc at home 
>> . If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  from I would truly 
>> appreciate it .
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>> 
>>I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:
>>> Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
>>> can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
>>> another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
>>> almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
>>> include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
>>> could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
>>> price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
>>> though.
>>> 
>>> On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
 wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.
> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It
>> is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>> 
>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
> 
> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
> 
> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able 
> to!
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give
>> someone a pass where it’s not deserved 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Scott Granados]

Lenron, check out crucial.com , they have drives for less 
money than that.  Not sure if that included installation but I was able to do 
the installation with out sited assistance.  I do have more experience than 
your average user but I didn’t find it hard and bet you could do it your self 
in house.


> On Jun 4, 2017, at 3:10 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Yeah it is pretty cool to see ya

> ll here as well. I hope this computer
> can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
> another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
> almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
> include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
> could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
> price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
> though.
> 
> On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't a few
>> months ago when I got a new one.
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a laptop. A
>>> quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed
 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the
 magsafe deliver mains voltage?
 
 As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
 
> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott.
>>> 
>>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
>>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>> 
>>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch
>>> which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the
>>> Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is
>>> better than the second Gen.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on
>>> it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac
>>> Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac
>>> Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their
>>> Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will purchase another Apple
>>> computer as both my computers are going strong and as long as I can
>>> run the latest software on them then it's just fine for me.  However,
>>> one of these days we won't be able to run the latest software so then
>>> it will be time to buy another IMac and MacMini as I love both set
>>> ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram
>>> because I will be able to!
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados 
 wrote:
 
 I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a
 pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest
 model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for
 several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I
 thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as
 follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
 physical
 keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also
 fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri
 when you want to start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
 does
 on the Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my
 previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses
 USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports
 on all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a
 slight size difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the
 wrong port.  All your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0
 the older standard and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get
 adapters but they aren’t included.
While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 
 3.5 MM
 jack, the 

Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Seem like there is a particular model that requires a different kind of 
SSD, and a different higher price. Not sure what that point is but I 
suspect it's the models that don't having spinning drives. I picked up 
the 13-inch MacBook Pro from the Apple store last August knowing it was 
an older model, so maybe that saved me some bucks. I was mostly looking 
for one that still had a CD drive in and the price was good.


CB

On 6/5/17 12:30 AM, lenron brown wrote:

Well the cheepest 1 tb drive is $649 and I think that was one that
they opened to test. I am speaking for the late 2013 model and later.
The 2012 Macbook pro could use the older ssd and they are a lot
cheeper. The Cheepest 500 gb ssd goes for 379 and I think that is a
drive they tested as well Brandnew is 450.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:

To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an
online upgrade matching page here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/

So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 12,1,
in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/

It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.

CB

On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
that this drive on some places is close to $900.

On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:

My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I
got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put
her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I
knew the OWC set would work.

CB

On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:

Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade
a
machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I
picked it up off of amazon.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
can
last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I
mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for
a
256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to
get
someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing
but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope
to
see some nice stuff from wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
a few months ago when I got a new one.

On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall





On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena


On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.

On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena

On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
that, I'll max out the memory and Gig 

Keyboards commands are going crazy

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

I face a very strange issue, i made a restart and all are ok, but incase it 
will happen again.
while searching to find an app, i use the spot lite, after this, i can not use 
the Vo keys + shift + c, to go to my computer,, can not go to my disk top, and 
using the vo-f1 twice bring me just 1 window which is the finder.
so, is it usual bug? or i hit something by mistake?
Thanks 

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Re: Vo-shift-home or end does not take e me to the end of text

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hae ET:
Thanks so much I know where is this, but , will i need it when using the full 
sized keyboard? 
first time to know this info
Thanks 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:41 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Ramy,
>   Press VO-k for keyboard help and look for the FN key. On these keyboards 
> you need to use some shortcuts with that key.
> 
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> On 6/4/2017 7:35 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hello Alex:
>> Thanks so much Am using a full keyboard, so i have home and end. and all are 
>> working outside documents, but inside documents, can not go to the first 
>> letter on the document, by using the Vo-shift-home
>> why is htis/
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:01 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You want function-vo-shift-left or right. If you have physical home/end 
>>> keys, don't worry about the function key.
>>> 
>>> The main thing to do, though, is interact with the text field first. The 
>>> keystrokes you described move you in whatever you're in, be it a window, 
>>> webpage, table, etc. Far easier for text fields is to just use command-up 
>>> or down, instead of worrying about VO commands.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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 Hello:
 
 I’m Using the Full size mac Keyboard,  when i’m inside the text edit, 
 using, the Vo-shift-home or end tones not take me to the start or end of 
 my document.
 any ideas?
 Thanks in advance
 
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Re: Vo-shift-home or end does not take e me to the end of text

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello Anne:
Thanks so much so, what shall i do  to go to very start of my document?
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ramy,
> 
> I think it was with El Capitan that the commands VO-Home and VO-Shift-Home 
> were switched. The command you’re using takes you to the first visible item. 
> Without the Shift key, you’ll get to the first item.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 04:35, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Alex:
>> Thanks so much Am using a full keyboard, so i have home and end. and all are 
>> working outside documents, but inside documents, can not go to the first 
>> letter on the document, by using the Vo-shift-home
>> why is htis/
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:01 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You want function-vo-shift-left or right. If you have physical home/end 
>>> keys, don't worry about the function key.
>>> 
>>> The main thing to do, though, is interact with the text field first. The 
>>> keystrokes you described move you in whatever you're in, be it a window, 
>>> webpage, table, etc. Far easier for text fields is to just use command-up 
>>> or down, instead of worrying about VO commands.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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 Hello:
 
 I’m Using the Full size mac Keyboard,  when i’m inside the text edit, 
 using, the Vo-shift-home or end tones not take me to the start or end of 
 my document.
 any ideas?
 Thanks in advance 
 
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Re: Vo-shift-home or end does not take e me to the end of text

[Ramy Moustafa]

Michell:
Thanks for ur reply, how ever i have full size keyboard

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:57 AM, Michelle's Home Emails 
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> 
> Hi Ramy 
> 
> Michelle stevens here, 
> 
> I think you have to use the fn key as well as the VO keys with your left, 
> right up down arrows? 
> 
> Michelle 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 10:45 am, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> 
>> I’m Using the Full size mac Keyboard,  when i’m inside the text edit, using, 
>> the Vo-shift-home or end tones not take me to the start or end of my 
>> document.
>> any ideas?
>> Thanks in advance 
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RE: Vo-shift-home or end does not take e me to the end of text

[Simon Fogarty]

If it's a full apple keyboard  the fn key is in the top left corner of the 6 
keys above the arrow keys,

 On a notebook it's the far left end of the bottom row to the left of the space 
bar. As we're all aware.

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Ramy,
Press VO-k for keyboard help and look for the FN key. On these keyboards 
you need to use some shortcuts with that key.

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On 6/4/2017 7:35 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> Hello Alex:
> Thanks so much Am using a full keyboard, so i have home and end. and 
> all are working outside documents, but inside documents, can not go to 
> the first letter on the document, by using the Vo-shift-home why is 
> htis/
>
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:01 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>
>> You want function-vo-shift-left or right. If you have physical home/end 
>> keys, don't worry about the function key.
>>
>> The main thing to do, though, is interact with the text field first. The 
>> keystrokes you described move you in whatever you're in, be it a window, 
>> webpage, table, etc. Far easier for text fields is to just use command-up or 
>> down, instead of worrying about VO commands.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 20:45, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> I’m Using the Full size mac Keyboard,  when i’m inside the text edit, 
>>> using, the Vo-shift-home or end tones not take me to the start or end of my 
>>> document.
>>> any ideas?
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi ET,

 Great site,

 However it says there is no possible updates available for my MBA mid 2013,

 Shame I was hoping for a 1tb ssd to put in it.



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The site will verify your model of Mac and what capacities are available.

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On 6/4/2017 4:23 PM, lenron brown wrote:
> this drive is for the mbp 2015? If that's the case will order it soon.
>
> On 6/4/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>> > e>
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 6/4/2017 3:45 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>>> What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc 
>>> at home . If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  
>>> from I would truly appreciate it .
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
>>>
>>> I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.
>>>
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:
 Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this 
 computer can last because there is no way I want or can really 
 upgrade to another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going 
 to cost me almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That 
 doesn't even include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean 
 I am sure I could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is 
 pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope to see some 
 nice stuff from wwdc though.

 On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it 
> wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a 
>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>>
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. 
>>> It is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
>>> externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>>
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Gena
>>>
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott.
>>
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as 
>> I convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive 
>> Apple watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind 
>> of money to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch 
>> next time if the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>>
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the 
>> touch bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it 
>> wouldn't have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and 
>> MacMini as both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple 
>> seem to be getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know 
>> when I will purchase another Apple computer as both my 
>> computers are going 

Re: Vo-shift-home or end does not take e me to the end of text

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ramy,

I think it was with El Capitan that the commands VO-Home and VO-Shift-Home were 
switched. The command you’re using takes you to the first visible item. Without 
the Shift key, you’ll get to the first item.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 5 Jun 2017, at 04:35, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex:
> Thanks so much Am using a full keyboard, so i have home and end. and all are 
> working outside documents, but inside documents, can not go to the first 
> letter on the document, by using the Vo-shift-home
> why is htis/
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:01 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> You want function-vo-shift-left or right. If you have physical home/end 
>> keys, don't worry about the function key.
>> 
>> The main thing to do, though, is interact with the text field first. The 
>> keystrokes you described move you in whatever you're in, be it a window, 
>> webpage, table, etc. Far easier for text fields is to just use command-up or 
>> down, instead of worrying about VO commands.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 20:45, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello:
>>> 
>>> I’m Using the Full size mac Keyboard,  when i’m inside the text edit, 
>>> using, the Vo-shift-home or end tones not take me to the start or end of my 
>>> document.
>>> any ideas?
>>> Thanks in advance 
>>> 
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