go to meeting

[jean parker]

Hello Donna and all:

I convinced all the webinar hosts I deal with to use Zoom instead of Go To 
Meeting. Oh well, their loss.
Jean

Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland

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Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[David Chittenden]

Yes, I had one of the receivers for a few years whilst living in SF.

The iPhone becomes the receiver. The marked GPS coordinates becomes the 
transmitter. The clear speech occurs when the iPhone is directly aligned, and 
becomes static as the iPhone's alignment changes in relation to the coordinates 
(a virtual transmitter).

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> On 29/06/2017, at 09:00, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when I 
> was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
>The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You 
> pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the 
> clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you were. 
>  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the track 
> number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over the door.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called 
>> Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It 
>> uses GPS and the Google Places database.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s 
>>> included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something different? 
>>>  I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in several 
>>> public transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very simple analog 
>>> Infrared signals but was fairly effective.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
 
 This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta. 
 Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing was 
 added to accessibility.
 
 I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk about.
 
 Specifically indoor navigation with support for several malls and 
 airports. I highly expect Tysons Cornerr, a mall that is only two miles 
 from my house , to be a good candidate. Not only is the mall packed every 
 weekend and most evenings, it was also the site of the first Apple Retail 
 store. So I am hoping that the indoor navigation helps me verify if I have 
 passed Nordstroms or still have  200 feet to go.
 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[E.T.]

   I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my 
password was when creating an installer.


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On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.

Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
when you use the sudo command.
Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
for a while.

sudo is a bit more secure in that:
1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
can be executed by whom whith what rights.
2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
work.

Take care,
Jonathan Cohn




On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T. > wrote:

  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
some cases you may be asked for your log in password.

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 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Hi,

I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
 I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my
last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
that it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use
it to put in code?

Thanks,




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Skype groups

[Brad Frenette]

does any buddy have any Skype groups that I can join. if so please send the 
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Re: Go to meeting?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi John,

I do have a dial-in number, so that will have to do, I suppose.  It's 
unfortunate, b/c they wanted a video call.  I also have a test link.  I've 
spent some time trying to access it from MY PC, but no joy.  So no need for you 
to spend your time tomorrow trying to connect, but thank you very much for the 
offer.
Best,
Donna

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> While the web page is not very accessible, Go To Meeting always has the 
> option for doing call in to the meeting. I believe I have to Go To Meetings 
> tomorrow, so I could try to connect via Mac and/or Windows if you like for 
> the second meeting. I believe most screen sharing services for web meetings 
> are inaccessible for the blind. Microsoft Lync now re-branded as Skype for 
> Business could work with PowerPoint and JAWS though I think I had to jigger 
> things a bit to have the slides automatically read. 
> 
> The only alternative I can see is requesting any presentation materials in 
> advance.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> thanks, David.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
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>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or on 
 Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not having 
 any luck.
 TIA,
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Nimer Jaber]

This is broken… just saw this thread.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
> downloading apps is broken.
> 
> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might be
>> a good reason to try it.
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
>>> installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
>>> install them?
>>> 
>>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
>>> you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
 I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 1-finger
 flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange Apps”
 it
 will say “Edit Mode”.
 
 If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
 where it used to say Move App.
 
 Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
 Treat
 this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you want
 or
 location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
 that
 folder.
 
 Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
 believe
 you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it
 some
 time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> How do one drag and drop?
> And where did you find about that feature?
> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
> /A
>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>> :
>> 
>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>> differently.
>> 
>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a
>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
>> the
>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
>> Yes,
>> reporting this.
>> 
>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
>> to
>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>> 
>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>> 
>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go
>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>> 
>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>> but
>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>> 
>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>> updating or searching for apps.
>> 
>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>> iOS
>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>>> erradically.
>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the
>>> hour.
>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>>> onscreen keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
 Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
 
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> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
> something 

Re: file volt weirdness

[Jonathan Cohn]

Yes, but we have folks on the list that get a list of users when starting up a 
system with File Vault. It is my opinion, that they are actually still using 
File Vault 1 with per a user encryption rather than File Vault 2 with full disk 
encryption. 
Sorry, I tend to not write enough background material in my posts and have 
often gotten people a little confused. In any case, File Vault 2 also means 
that if your computer is running then files from anywhere in the system are 
accessible, while with File Vault one from the earlier MacOS's each user had 
their own encryption, and only the logged users files are available to view 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your password. 
These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.

Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user on a 
UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to extra 
security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified when you use 
the sudo command. 
Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. This 
allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a while. 

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1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands can be 
executed by whom whith what rights.
2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying to 
execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.

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> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I found 
>> Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last log-in 
>> date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to type or 
>> paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, “Terminal 
>> has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
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Re: file volt weirdness

[David Chittenden]

Hello,

It is a hardware difference. Macs older than 2012 or 2013 can only beep during 
log-in when using firevault.

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> On 29/06/2017, at 02:19, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that you are correct, in that it is a hardware difference.  I have 
> an MBP Late 2011 and I only enabled File Vault a couple of months ago.  So, 
> you'd expect it to be the newest version of File Vault.  My machine only does 
> the single beep when I attempt to turn VO on, double beep after the username 
> has been entered and a triple beep after everything's done correctly and it's 
> ready to go.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 04:29, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Listers,
>  
> A few weeks ago we had a discussion on file volt not speaking at the log in 
> prompt or vise versa
>  
> I’ve just put sierra on to a mac mini I’ve obtained from work,
>  
> I thought I’d secure things more with file volt and low and behold it only 
> beeps when trying to log in, or at least it did before I locked myself out.
>  
> Now what I find weird about this is that on my mac book air I have sierra 
> installed and file volt enabled yet vo will speak if I command f5 at the 
> prompt I log in and am away and racing.
>  
> My mac book air is a mid 2013 july MBA and the mac mini is a late 2010 device,
>  
> I’m just wondering if this difference in file volt behaviour is due to 
> hardware differences
>  
> But I thought it was interesting that one machine works one way and the other 
> machine another way.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
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Re: Go to meeting?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Donna,

While the web page is not very accessible, Go To Meeting always has the option 
for doing call in to the meeting. I believe I have to Go To Meetings tomorrow, 
so I could try to connect via Mac and/or Windows if you like for the second 
meeting. I believe most screen sharing services for web meetings are 
inaccessible for the blind. Microsoft Lync now re-branded as Skype for Business 
could work with PowerPoint and JAWS though I think I had to jigger things a bit 
to have the slides automatically read. 

The only alternative I can see is requesting any presentation materials in 
advance.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> thanks, David.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or on 
>>> Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not having 
>>> any luck.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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RE: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[gary-melconian]

Thanks  mary, for the explanation of this one.  

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - 
CNET

I remember that portable receiver as well. I will be curious if you try it. The 
problem I see with this approach is that the actual GPS Mark, so to  speak, is 
often some ways away from the actual building you're trying to go to. It might 
be in a parking lot for instance. Or so I have heard from the makers of nearby 
explorer and Seeing Eye GPS. The folks who decide where exactly on the map or 
whatever it is that GPS is keying on our more interested in cars getting to 
where they're going and pedestrians

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when I 
> was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
>The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You 
> pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the 
> clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you were. 
>  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the track 
> number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over the door.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called 
>> Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It 
>> uses GPS and the Google Places database.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s 
>>> included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something different? 
>>>  I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in several 
>>> public transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very simple analog 
>>> Infrared signals but was fairly effective.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
 
 This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta. 
 Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing was 
 added to accessibility.
 
 I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk about.
 
 Specifically indoor navigation with support for several malls and 
 airports. I highly expect Tysons Cornerr, a mall that is only two miles 
 from my house , to be a good candidate. Not only is the mall packed every 
 weekend and most evenings, it was also the site of the first Apple Retail 
 store. So I am hoping that the indoor navigation helps me verify if I have 
 passed Nordstroms or still have  200 feet to go.
 
 Best Wishes,
 
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RE: Adobe Improves Support for Accessible PDF Documents on Mobile Devices | Adobe Document Cloud

[gary-melconian]

Thanks mary for the cross post. Will be checking this one out on both I o s and 
android.  

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Subject: Adobe Improves Support for Accessible PDF Documents on Mobile Devices 
| Adobe Document Cloud

Sorry for the cross posting, but I thought this could be of interest to folks 
on these lists who havei-devices. It looks like there are some improvements for 
reading PDF documents on these devices, but no tables yet, unfortunately. Let's 
hope it doesn't take them too long to get that implemented.
Mary

https://blogs.adobe.com/documentcloud/adobe-improves-support-for-accessible-pdf-documents-on-mobile-devices/


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Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[Mary Otten]

You got that right about the military signals. Not going to happen.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I had the exact same thought.  I wonder if they use the gyro or something to 
> help.  Plus you have the regular deviation in the GPS signal depending on 
> signal conditions.
>I wish we could get access to the military encrypted signals, sub meter 
> way finding would be nice.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I remember that portable receiver as well. I will be curious if you try it. 
>> The problem I see with this approach is that the actual GPS Mark, so to  
>> speak, is often some ways away from the actual building you're trying to go 
>> to. It might be in a parking lot for instance. Or so I have heard from the 
>> makers of nearby explorer and Seeing Eye GPS. The folks who decide where 
>> exactly on the map or whatever it is that GPS is keying on our more 
>> interested in cars getting to where they're going and pedestrians
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when I 
>>> was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
>>>  The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You 
>>> pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the 
>>> clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you 
>>> were.  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the 
>>> track number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over the 
>>> door.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called 
 Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It 
 uses GPS and the Google Places database.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +61 488 988 936
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s 
> included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something 
> different?  I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in 
> several public transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very 
> simple analog Infrared signals but was fairly effective.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta. 
>> Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing 
>> was added to accessibility.
>> 
>> I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk about.
>> 
>> Specifically indoor navigation with support for several malls and 
>> airports. I highly expect Tysons Cornerr, a mall that is only two miles 
>> from my house , to be a good candidate. Not only is the mall packed 
>> every weekend and most evenings, it was also the site of the first Apple 
>> Retail store. So I am hoping that the indoor navigation helps me verify 
>> if I have passed Nordstroms or still have  200 feet to go.
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
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Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[Scott Granados]

I had the exact same thought.  I wonder if they use the gyro or something to 
help.  Plus you have the regular deviation in the GPS signal depending on 
signal conditions.
I wish we could get access to the military encrypted signals, sub meter 
way finding would be nice.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I remember that portable receiver as well. I will be curious if you try it. 
> The problem I see with this approach is that the actual GPS Mark, so to  
> speak, is often some ways away from the actual building you're trying to go 
> to. It might be in a parking lot for instance. Or so I have heard from the 
> makers of nearby explorer and Seeing Eye GPS. The folks who decide where 
> exactly on the map or whatever it is that GPS is keying on our more 
> interested in cars getting to where they're going and pedestrians
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when I 
>> was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
>>   The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You 
>> pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the 
>> clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you 
>> were.  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the 
>> track number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over the 
>> door.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called 
>>> Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It 
>>> uses GPS and the Google Places database.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s 
 included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something 
 different?  I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in 
 several public transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very 
 simple analog Infrared signals but was fairly effective.
 
 
> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta. 
> Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing was 
> added to accessibility.
> 
> I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk about.
> 
> Specifically indoor navigation with support for several malls and 
> airports. I highly expect Tysons Cornerr, a mall that is only two miles 
> from my house , to be a good candidate. Not only is the mall packed every 
> weekend and most evenings, it was also the site of the first Apple Retail 
> store. So I am hoping that the indoor navigation helps me verify if I 
> have passed Nordstroms or still have  200 feet to go.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
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Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[Mary Otten]

I remember that portable receiver as well. I will be curious if you try it. The 
problem I see with this approach is that the actual GPS Mark, so to  speak, is 
often some ways away from the actual building you're trying to go to. It might 
be in a parking lot for instance. Or so I have heard from the makers of nearby 
explorer and Seeing Eye GPS. The folks who decide where exactly on the map or 
whatever it is that GPS is keying on our more interested in cars getting to 
where they're going and pedestrians

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when I 
> was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
>The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You 
> pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the 
> clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you were. 
>  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the track 
> number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over the door.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called 
>> Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It 
>> uses GPS and the Google Places database.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s 
>>> included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something different? 
>>>  I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in several 
>>> public transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very simple analog 
>>> Infrared signals but was fairly effective.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
 
 This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta. 
 Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing was 
 added to accessibility.
 
 I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk about.
 
 Specifically indoor navigation with support for several malls and 
 airports. I highly expect Tysons Cornerr, a mall that is only two miles 
 from my house , to be a good candidate. Not only is the mall packed every 
 weekend and most evenings, it was also the site of the first Apple Retail 
 store. So I am hoping that the indoor navigation helps me verify if I have 
 passed Nordstroms or still have  200 feet to go.
 
 Best Wishes,
 
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Re: How Apple is squeezing more photos into your iPhone

[Scott Granados]

That’s very cool.  One of the things I like about Apple is they are willing to 
take risks and push standards.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> FAQ: Apple's newest iPhone software attempts to move the world out of the
> JPEG era. CNET decodes the technology
> 
> Apple will cram more photos into your iPhone. Here's how
> 
> Back in 1992, Bill Clinton was elected US president, Microsoft released
> Windows 3.1 and digital photo experts created the JPEG image format. The
> first two are mostly matters for historians now, but a quarter century
> later, JPEG remains a part of our daily lives.
> 
> That's a remarkable achievement for the fast-moving computing industry.
> Apple, though, thinks it's time to start moving on.
> 
> To that end, it announced this month at its WWDC programmer conference that
> it's endowing its iPhones, iPads and Macs with support for a new
> photo-storing technology called HEIF, short for High Efficiency Image
> Format. HEIF needs only half the storage space as a JPEG photo of the same
> quality. So surely adopting HEIF is a no-brainer?
> 
> Nope.
> 
> Compatibility problems and other factors complicate HEIF's prospects. But
> Apple has massive clout in the computing industry. If it succeeds in pushing
> HEIF into the mainstream, we stand to benefit -- not just from saving
> storage space, but also from cooler animated photos, more powerful
> image-editing possibilities and even fulfilled promises of augmented
> reality.
> 
> To help you understand the issues, here's a look at HEIF.
> 
> Q: Why do I even need to worry about HEIF?
> There's a good chance HEIF will barge into your life. Not only does it let
> you squeeze more photos onto your phone, HEIF also modernizes digital
> photography in important ways. Its future looks a lot brighter with Apple's
> backing. It's the world's most profitable tech company, selling one of the
> world's highest-profile phones and a lot of computers as well. Apple's
> endorsement carries a lot of weight with app programmers, chip manufacturers
> and the millions of people who use its products. Best to get a handle on
> HEIF now.
> 
> 
> Google Trends shows how interest in HEIF, shown in blue, surged when Apple
> announced its support at WWDC. The red line shows the king of image formats,
> JPEG, and the yellow line Google's competing WebP.
> 
> 
> Google Trends shows how interest in HEIF, shown in blue, surged when Apple
> announced its support at WWDC. The red line shows the king of image formats,
> JPEG, and the yellow line is Google's competing WebP.
> 
> Google Trends and Stephen Shankland/CNET
> 
> Q: Step back a sec. What is a photo file format again?
> It's a standard way for computers to store and view pictures. With one, it
> doesn't matter if you took a photo with an Android phone and then share it
> with a college roommate with a Windows PC. JPEG, the king of photo formats,
> has been around for decades, and every computing device out there
> understands JPEG files. But HEIF is new, so most devices today have no idea
> how to handle them. For those devices, encountering an HEIF file is like
> when you visit a country where you don't speak the language.
> 
> Q: OK, but why do I care?
> The biggest benefit is data compression. The original, high-quality version
> of an image often can be shrunk so you can fit more on your phone and worry
> less about blowing through your monthly network data cap when you share
> them.
> 
> Photos using HEIF take up half the space as a JPEG, or alternatively offer
> crisper, more detailed and colorful images at the same size. Nokia has some
> good HEIF examples.
> 
> 
> These cropped-in views of a larger image show how HEIF, left, offers richer
> colors and fewer speckly artifacts near high-contrast borders compared to a
> JPEG of about the same size.Enlarge Image
> 
> 
> 
> These cropped-in views of a larger image show how HEIF, left, offers richer
> colors and fewer speckly artifacts near high-contrast borders compared to a
> JPEG of about the same size.
> 
> Nokia
> 
> "From a technological point of view, there is no doubt it is better than
> JPEG," said Dror Gill, chief technology of image and video optimization
> company Beamr. "You get the same quality with fewer bits."
> 
> Q: How does HEIF compression work?
> HEIF uses video compression technology called HEVC (High Efficiency Video
> Coding) that was designed by some of the best experts in the business -- the
> Motion Picture Experts Group. If you watched streaming video on your TV,
> phone or PC in the last day, chances are good it used their video
> compression technology. HEIF is the technique to compress individual frames
> that comprise an HEVC video.
> 
> 
> Apple touted HEIF's space-saving benefits in big, bold type during WWDC.
> 
> 
> Apple touted HEIF's space-saving benefits in big, bold type during WWDC.
> 
> Apple
> 
> HEIF uses some similar methods as JPEG, but goes a step further. JPEG breaks
> an 

Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when I was 
in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You 
pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the 
clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you were.  
They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the track 
number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over the door.


> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called Over 
> There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It uses GPS 
> and the Google Places database.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s 
>> included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something different?  
>> I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in several public 
>> transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very simple analog 
>> Infrared signals but was fairly effective.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta. 
>>> Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing was 
>>> added to accessibility.
>>> 
>>> I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk about.
>>> 
>>> Specifically indoor navigation with support for several malls and airports. 
>>> I highly expect Tysons Cornerr, a mall that is only two miles from my house 
>>> , to be a good candidate. Not only is the mall packed every weekend and 
>>> most evenings, it was also the site of the first Apple Retail store. So I 
>>> am hoping that the indoor navigation helps me verify if I have passed 
>>> Nordstroms or still have  200 feet to go.
>>> 
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
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Re: Go to meeting?

[Donna Goodin]

thanks, David.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
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>> On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or on 
>> Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not having 
>> any luck.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Go to meeting?

[David Chittenden]

No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
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> Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not having 
> any luck.
> TIA,
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping you to a 
unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a flavor of it 
that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an extremely powerful 
environment and also a well paying career path if you learn the Unix based 
operating systems.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone know how 
> to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> 
> Fun stuff,
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
>>> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
>>> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to 
>>> type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, 
>>> “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: mac beta still coming soon was: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Michael Marshall]

I just wish apple would tell users what is going on.
Why can't they put a message on the beta site saying we are having problems 
with APFS, just sit tight.
instead we have to rely on secondary sources.
It is the only bugbear I have with the apple beta setup.
I hope they fix this quickly.
> On 29 Jun 2017, at 4:13 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys. The reason why they haven't released a High Sierra public beta is 
> because according to sources, Apple is still having issues with the APFS 
> system. So rather than you guys getting stuck with it, they'd rather squash 
> those bugs before it gets released as a public beta.
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:53 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> thanks bro.
>> 
>> On 6/27/17, Michael Marshall  wrote:
>>> hey,
>>> i see that the mac beta is stil listed as "coming soon" on the apple beta
>>> site.
>>> This is quite irritating to me, I honestly cannot think of a reason why they
>>> did not just release all of them at the same time.
>>> that's just my little moan for the day.
>>> 
>>> Michael
 On 28 Jun 2017, at 4:36 am, Scott Granados 
 wrote:
 
 The link is beta.apple.com 
 
 Sign in with your iCloud and click enroll.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:37 PM, lenron brown  > wrote:
> 
> Ok cool deal checking favorites on the Iphone to see if I still have the
> link.
> 
> On 6/27/17, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>> No you can over write with the new one, no need to uninstall.
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Krister Ekström
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that info. Do i have to uninstall my current profile?
>>> I guess yes but i'm asking just to be sure.
>>> 
>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>> 
>>> 27 juni 2017 kl. 17:53 skrev Scott Granados >> 
>>> >>:
>>> 
 You have to enroll again and start over with 11.  You won’t get it
 automatically if you have 10.3.3 installed as it’s a different signed
 boot file.
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Krister Ekström
> 
>  >> wrote:
> 
> I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I
> have a beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
> 27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados  
>  >>:
> 
>> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and
>> running
>> with the beta though installing it early this morning.
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty >> 
>>> >>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>>> suggestion would be
>>> DON”T!
>>> 
>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>>> lively as normal,
>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept /
>>> purchase
>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
>>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
>>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or
>>> made
>>> them yourself.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to
>>> come.
>>> 
>>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
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How Apple is squeezing more photos into your iPhone

[M. Taylor]

FAQ: Apple's newest iPhone software attempts to move the world out of the
JPEG era. CNET decodes the technology

Apple will cram more photos into your iPhone. Here's how

Back in 1992, Bill Clinton was elected US president, Microsoft released
Windows 3.1 and digital photo experts created the JPEG image format. The
first two are mostly matters for historians now, but a quarter century
later, JPEG remains a part of our daily lives.

That's a remarkable achievement for the fast-moving computing industry.
Apple, though, thinks it's time to start moving on.

To that end, it announced this month at its WWDC programmer conference that
it's endowing its iPhones, iPads and Macs with support for a new
photo-storing technology called HEIF, short for High Efficiency Image
Format. HEIF needs only half the storage space as a JPEG photo of the same
quality. So surely adopting HEIF is a no-brainer?

Nope.

Compatibility problems and other factors complicate HEIF's prospects. But
Apple has massive clout in the computing industry. If it succeeds in pushing
HEIF into the mainstream, we stand to benefit -- not just from saving
storage space, but also from cooler animated photos, more powerful
image-editing possibilities and even fulfilled promises of augmented
reality.

To help you understand the issues, here's a look at HEIF.

Q: Why do I even need to worry about HEIF?
There's a good chance HEIF will barge into your life. Not only does it let
you squeeze more photos onto your phone, HEIF also modernizes digital
photography in important ways. Its future looks a lot brighter with Apple's
backing. It's the world's most profitable tech company, selling one of the
world's highest-profile phones and a lot of computers as well. Apple's
endorsement carries a lot of weight with app programmers, chip manufacturers
and the millions of people who use its products. Best to get a handle on
HEIF now.


Google Trends shows how interest in HEIF, shown in blue, surged when Apple
announced its support at WWDC. The red line shows the king of image formats,
JPEG, and the yellow line Google's competing WebP.


Google Trends shows how interest in HEIF, shown in blue, surged when Apple
announced its support at WWDC. The red line shows the king of image formats,
JPEG, and the yellow line is Google's competing WebP.

Google Trends and Stephen Shankland/CNET 

Q: Step back a sec. What is a photo file format again?
It's a standard way for computers to store and view pictures. With one, it
doesn't matter if you took a photo with an Android phone and then share it
with a college roommate with a Windows PC. JPEG, the king of photo formats,
has been around for decades, and every computing device out there
understands JPEG files. But HEIF is new, so most devices today have no idea
how to handle them. For those devices, encountering an HEIF file is like
when you visit a country where you don't speak the language.

Q: OK, but why do I care?
The biggest benefit is data compression. The original, high-quality version
of an image often can be shrunk so you can fit more on your phone and worry
less about blowing through your monthly network data cap when you share
them.

Photos using HEIF take up half the space as a JPEG, or alternatively offer
crisper, more detailed and colorful images at the same size. Nokia has some
good HEIF examples.


These cropped-in views of a larger image show how HEIF, left, offers richer
colors and fewer speckly artifacts near high-contrast borders compared to a
JPEG of about the same size.Enlarge Image



These cropped-in views of a larger image show how HEIF, left, offers richer
colors and fewer speckly artifacts near high-contrast borders compared to a
JPEG of about the same size.

Nokia 

"From a technological point of view, there is no doubt it is better than
JPEG," said Dror Gill, chief technology of image and video optimization
company Beamr. "You get the same quality with fewer bits."

Q: How does HEIF compression work?
HEIF uses video compression technology called HEVC (High Efficiency Video
Coding) that was designed by some of the best experts in the business -- the
Motion Picture Experts Group. If you watched streaming video on your TV,
phone or PC in the last day, chances are good it used their video
compression technology. HEIF is the technique to compress individual frames
that comprise an HEVC video.


Apple touted HEIF's space-saving benefits in big, bold type during WWDC.


Apple touted HEIF's space-saving benefits in big, bold type during WWDC.

Apple 

HEIF uses some similar methods as JPEG, but goes a step further. JPEG breaks
an image up into blocks, each of which is compressed with a clever
combination of trigonometry and matrix mathematics whose details needn't
worry you. One way HEIF improves on JPEG is by comparing those blocks. If
one block is similar to another, HEIF records just the difference, which
requires less storage space. In effect, for example, HEIF could tell a
computer, "just put some blue sky 

Re: mac beta still coming soon was: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Michael Marshall]

ahh,
That does make sense.
> On 29 Jun 2017, at 4:13 am, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> The reason why they haven't released a High Sierra public beta is because 
> according to sources, Apple is still having issues with the APFS system

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Re: mac beta still coming soon was: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Scott Granados]

And I would whole heartedly support that delay.  Squash the known bugs before 
you push it out the door.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 2:13 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys. The reason why they haven't released a High Sierra public beta is 
> because according to sources, Apple is still having issues with the APFS 
> system. So rather than you guys getting stuck with it, they'd rather squash 
> those bugs before it gets released as a public beta.
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:53 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> thanks bro.
>> 
>> On 6/27/17, Michael Marshall  wrote:
>>> hey,
>>> i see that the mac beta is stil listed as "coming soon" on the apple beta
>>> site.
>>> This is quite irritating to me, I honestly cannot think of a reason why they
>>> did not just release all of them at the same time.
>>> that's just my little moan for the day.
>>> 
>>> Michael
 On 28 Jun 2017, at 4:36 am, Scott Granados 
 wrote:
 
 The link is beta.apple.com 
 
 Sign in with your iCloud and click enroll.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:37 PM, lenron brown  > wrote:
> 
> Ok cool deal checking favorites on the Iphone to see if I still have the
> link.
> 
> On 6/27/17, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>> No you can over write with the new one, no need to uninstall.
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Krister Ekström
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that info. Do i have to uninstall my current profile?
>>> I guess yes but i'm asking just to be sure.
>>> 
>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>> 
>>> 27 juni 2017 kl. 17:53 skrev Scott Granados >> 
>>> >>:
>>> 
 You have to enroll again and start over with 11.  You won’t get it
 automatically if you have 10.3.3 installed as it’s a different signed
 boot file.
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Krister Ekström
> 
>  >> wrote:
> 
> I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I
> have a beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
> 27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados  
>  >>:
> 
>> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and
>> running
>> with the beta though installing it early this morning.
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty >> 
>>> >>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>>> suggestion would be
>>> DON”T!
>>> 
>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>>> lively as normal,
>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept /
>>> purchase
>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
>>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
>>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or
>>> made
>>> them yourself.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to
>>> come.
>>> 
>>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
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Re: I Mac Pro.

[Scott Granados]

If I’m going to gamble I’ll play a game with good odds like Blackjack.  I made 
a decent pay a few years ago between jobs playing Blackjack at one of the local 
casinos.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> All we have to do is buy and buy Lottery tickets (been doing that for a long 
> time and I don't win anything).  So how do people win the lottery?  I just 
> need a new gadget to play with and may be the new I Mac will have your finger 
> print to unlock it.
>> On 27 Jun 2017, at 12:13, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> This sounds like a baby i want!
>> But sadly can’t afford.
>> But maybe if i can win some millions out there i can afford it.
>>> 23 juni 2017 kl. 16:01 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> I really do need to work for you, you’re talking tens of thousands to do 
>>> that most likely.  A maxed unit has 128 GB of ram, 16 GB of video memory, 
>>> 18 cores, 4 TB of storage and so forth.  That will be one hell of a machine.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 And Scott, I am going to max it out,  Maximum memory, maximum ram and may 
 be I won't need to change that machine for a number of years!  I just want 
 a new gadget although I will probably want quite a few new apple gadgets.
> On 22 Jun 2017, at 21:34, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I need to come work for you if you’re running around with iMac pro 
> money.;)
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I am thinking of buying the new I Mac Pro when it is released in 
>> December.  It's been almost 5 years since I've had my I Mac.  I am 
>> rather excited that a new I Mac is on the way.  I will be looking for 
>> anyone in the UK on this list who may want an I Mac as I am going to 
>> sell this one as cheaply as possible around the three or £400 mark.  I 
>> am just letting those of you know who live in the UK to find out if 
>> anyone will want an I Mac come Christmas time.
>> 
>> I hope the new I Mac Pro will have the same screen width as this one 
>> just about fits on the back of my desk as I have the 27 inch model.
>> Kawal.
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Adobe Improves Support for Accessible PDF Documents on Mobile Devices | Adobe Document Cloud

[Mary Otten]

Sorry for the cross posting, but I thought this could be of interest to folks 
on these lists who havei-devices. It looks like there are some improvements for 
reading PDF documents on these devices, but no tables yet, unfortunately. Let's 
hope it doesn't take them too long to get that implemented.
Mary

https://blogs.adobe.com/documentcloud/adobe-improves-support-for-accessible-pdf-documents-on-mobile-devices/


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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Portia Scott]

Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
downloading apps is broken.

On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might be
> a good reason to try it.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>
>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
>> installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
>> install them?
>>
>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
>> you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>>
>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 1-finger
>>> flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange Apps”
>>> it
>>> will say “Edit Mode”.
>>>
>>> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
>>> where it used to say Move App.
>>>
>>> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
>>> Treat
>>> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you want
>>> or
>>> location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
>>> that
>>> folder.
>>>
>>> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
>>> believe
>>> you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it
>>> some
>>> time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
 wrote:

 Hi!
 How do one drag and drop?
 And where did you find about that feature?
 I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
 /A
> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
> :
>
> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
> differently.
>
> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a
> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
> the
> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
> Yes,
> reporting this.
>
> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
> to
> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>
> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>
> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go
> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
> though so just a different way of doing things.
>
> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
> but
> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>
> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
> updating or searching for apps.
>
> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
> iOS
> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>> wrote:
>>
>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>> erradically.
>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the
>> hour.
>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>> onscreen keyboard.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
 something I expected.

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Re: I Mac Pro.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

All we have to do is buy and buy Lottery tickets (been doing that for a long 
time and I don't win anything).  So how do people win the lottery?  I just need 
a new gadget to play with and may be the new I Mac will have your finger print 
to unlock it.
> On 27 Jun 2017, at 12:13, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> This sounds like a baby i want!
> But sadly can’t afford.
> But maybe if i can win some millions out there i can afford it.
>> 23 juni 2017 kl. 16:01 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> I really do need to work for you, you’re talking tens of thousands to do 
>> that most likely.  A maxed unit has 128 GB of ram, 16 GB of video memory, 18 
>> cores, 4 TB of storage and so forth.  That will be one hell of a machine.  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And Scott, I am going to max it out,  Maximum memory, maximum ram and may 
>>> be I won't need to change that machine for a number of years!  I just want 
>>> a new gadget although I will probably want quite a few new apple gadgets.
 On 22 Jun 2017, at 21:34, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 I need to come work for you if you’re running around with iMac pro money.;)
 
 
> On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I am thinking of buying the new I Mac Pro when it is released in 
> December.  It's been almost 5 years since I've had my I Mac.  I am rather 
> excited that a new I Mac is on the way.  I will be looking for anyone in 
> the UK on this list who may want an I Mac as I am going to sell this one 
> as cheaply as possible around the three or £400 mark.  I am just letting 
> those of you know who live in the UK to find out if anyone will want an I 
> Mac come Christmas time.
> 
> I hope the new I Mac Pro will have the same screen width as this one just 
> about fits on the back of my desk as I have the 27 inch model.
> Kawal.
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Re: mac os server

[Tim Kilburn]

Simon,

There is likely a "Take Control of MacOS Sierra Server" eBook out there.  The 
Take Control series are usually quite good books.  Other than that, there's 
good stuff just on the Net.  Just do a search on what service you wish to get 
more detail on, along with MacOS Server in the search parameters and there's 
lots of helpful material.  I've mostly did all my Server stuff the second way 
and I've got Leopard, Snow Leopard, El Capitan and Sierra servers all going 
within our domain.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 28, 2017, at 04:24, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Does any one know of a good tech manual on OSX server in the current case it is 
ver: 10.12.x sierra server.
 
 
 
 
Cheers for any info people might have.
 
Simon f 

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Re: Go to meeting?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi,

 Thanks. Unfortunately, this is work related, so I don't have any choice in the 
platform.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:30 PM, michael dailey  wrote:
> 
> No I have never had luck with GTM on either.
> 
> Try Zoom.us , I only messed with it a bit but it worked 
> great on my Mac and Windows computers.
> 
> Mike Dailey
> 905 Live Oak St.
> Beaufort, NC 28516-1722
> 720-341-6427
> mpd...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or on 
>> Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not having 
>> any luck.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: How to control playback speed in VLC

[Andrew Lamanche]

It's not alt+minus or equals sign but commmand +option plus minus or equals 
sign.
> On 28 Jun 2017, at 18:50, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello, 
> I recall a recent discussion on how to slowdown playback. VLC seemed to be 
> the answer so I have been trying that as my first use of VLC. While the track 
> of interest is playing I can get to the playback menu where I can find a 
> slider with options for slower and faster. If I interact with the slider I 
> can make the playback faster but how to I undo that and make the playback 
> slower than the normal speed?
> I recall a reply mentioning Alt+arrow keys as a way to control playback 
> speed. Is that something I have to set up in preferences? 
> Many thanks.
> 
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Re: Go to meeting?

[michael dailey]

No I have never had luck with GTM on either.

Try Zoom.us, I only messed with it a bit but it worked great on my Mac and 
Windows computers.

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> On Jun 28, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or on 
> Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not having 
> any luck.
> TIA,
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Re: VoiceDream Writer

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks,
I’ll do that.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Then I would suggest contacting the developer through the app itself. He's 
> very responsive although I would suggest that you be as specific as possible 
> with all the details you can give.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Stacey Robinson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve tried this and the dropbox button just says off over and over each time 
>> I tap.
>> Peace,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> 
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You have to give Ryder access to your dropbox account. Do it in the 
>>> following way. One, select Add document.
>>> Two, select import from external location.
>>> Three. Select the "more" option.
>>> Under the more options you will find manage locations. Tap the "dropbox" 
>>> switch and it should activate the dropbox account. You might have to login 
>>> and or go through a confirmation screen. Then you can save two and import 
>>> from your dropbox folder.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Stacey Robinson  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I recently bought VoiceDream Writer.
 Using it with VO I cannot get the dropbox setting to turn on. It just says 
 off each time I double tap.
 Is there a podcast or guide that could help with this?
 
 Peace,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Jenine Stanley]

Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might be a 
good reason to try it.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
> installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
> install them?
> 
> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
> you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
> 
> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 1-finger
>> flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange Apps” it
>> will say “Edit Mode”.
>> 
>> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
>> where it used to say Move App.
>> 
>> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second. Treat
>> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you want or
>> location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into that
>> folder.
>> 
>> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I believe
>> you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it some
>> time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> How do one drag and drop?
>>> And where did you find about that feature?
>>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>>> /A
 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley :
 
 I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
 differently.
 
 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a
 sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the
 home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes,
 reporting this.
 
 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
 from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
 designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to
 work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
 
 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
 depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
 
 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go
 into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
 though so just a different way of doing things.
 
 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
 realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but
 once I figured it out, I do like it.
 
 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
 updating or searching for apps.
 
 Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS
 beta, things seem to be working OK though.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
> wrote:
> 
> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
> my 6S behaving any differently.
> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
> erradically.
> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
> onscreen keyboard.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>>> something I expected.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>> 
>>> Simon,
>>> That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
>>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is 

Re: Disk Warrior

[Jonathan Cohn]

I used it five years ago or so.  At that time there were two uses.

1. periodic monitoring of the disk. This just used Apple controls and I
seem to remember it being slightly accessible, but that some things
required some work to access.

The second use was when your disk was entirely messed up and you wanted to
try and correct the HFS structures. This required booting with a CD
(probably flash would have worked). It then scans your disk in several ways
to restore files that have lost their directory structure or other disk
forensics. This was completely inaccessible at the time, and I believe it
was essentially a mini system just dedicated to working on the disk drives.

Though I could n't read the procedures it was quite effective at getting a
3/4 dead disk up enough so that I could copy it to an external drive before
replacing the drive.


HTH,

Jonathan


On 28 June 2017 at 12:40, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

> Hi!
> From what i remember it should work but it was a bit complicated.
> I really don’t remember what it could do but i remember trying it out.
> /A
> > 28 juni 2017 kl. 17:42 skrev Marshall Scott :
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> > First of all, forgive me if this message is duplicated.  I had a little
> trouble with my network this morning.
> > My question is:  Does Disk Warrior work with Voiceover?  I tried
> calling Alsoft and couldn't get any reliable information.
> > Thanks,
> > Marshall
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Portia Scott]

When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
install them?

Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
you want on your iPhone from iTunes.

On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 1-finger
> flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange Apps” it
> will say “Edit Mode”.
>
> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
> where it used to say Move App.
>
> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second. Treat
> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you want or
> location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into that
> folder.
>
> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I believe
> you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it some
> time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>> How do one drag and drop?
>> And where did you find about that feature?
>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>> /A
>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley :
>>>
>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>>> differently.
>>>
>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a
>>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the
>>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes,
>>> reporting this.
>>>
>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to
>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>>
>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>>
>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go
>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>>>
>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but
>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>>
>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>>> updating or searching for apps.
>>>
>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS
>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
 wrote:

 here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
 my 6S behaving any differently.
 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
 actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
 erradically.
 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
 E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
 condition and tempature is not read by VO.
 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
 shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
 onscreen keyboard.

 Scott

 On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
>  Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>> something I expected.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>
>> Simon,
>>  That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>>

Go to meeting?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or on 
Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not having any 
luck.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: mac beta still coming soon was: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey guys. The reason why they haven't released a High Sierra public beta is 
because according to sources, Apple is still having issues with the APFS 
system. So rather than you guys getting stuck with it, they'd rather squash 
those bugs before it gets released as a public beta.

Shawn
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> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:53 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> thanks bro.
> 
> On 6/27/17, Michael Marshall  wrote:
>> hey,
>> i see that the mac beta is stil listed as "coming soon" on the apple beta
>> site.
>> This is quite irritating to me, I honestly cannot think of a reason why they
>> did not just release all of them at the same time.
>> that's just my little moan for the day.
>> 
>> Michael
>>> On 28 Jun 2017, at 4:36 am, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The link is beta.apple.com 
>>> 
>>> Sign in with your iCloud and click enroll.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:37 PM, lenron brown > wrote:
 
 Ok cool deal checking favorites on the Iphone to see if I still have the
 link.
 
 On 6/27/17, Scott Granados > wrote:
> No you can over write with the new one, no need to uninstall.
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Krister Ekström
>> >
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that info. Do i have to uninstall my current profile?
>> I guess yes but i'm asking just to be sure.
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>> 27 juni 2017 kl. 17:53 skrev Scott Granados > 
>> >>:
>> 
>>> You have to enroll again and start over with 11.  You won’t get it
>>> automatically if you have 10.3.3 installed as it’s a different signed
>>> boot file.
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Krister Ekström
 
 >> wrote:
 
 I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I
 have a beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
 /Krister
 
 
 Skickat från min iPhone
 
 27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados 
 >>:
 
> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and
> running
> with the beta though installing it early this morning.
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty > 
>> >>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> 
>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>> suggestion would be
>> DON”T!
>> 
>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>> lively as normal,
>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept /
>> purchase
>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or
>> made
>> them yourself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to
>> come.
>> 
>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
>> 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Jenine Stanley]

I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 1-finger flick 
down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange Apps” it will say 
“Edit Mode”. 

If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop where 
it used to say Move App. 

Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second. Treat this 
just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you want or 
location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into that 
folder. 

Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I believe you 
have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it some time as 
it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> How do one drag and drop?
> And where did you find about that feature?
> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
> /A
>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley :
>> 
>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate 
>> differently. 
>> 
>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a sign 
>> in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the home 
>> screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes, 
>> reporting this. 
>> 
>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them from 
>> most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home designation is 
>> gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to work, say to 
>> switch back after an accidental hand off occurs. 
>> 
>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish 
>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>> 
>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go into 
>> the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader though so 
>> just a different way of doing things. 
>> 
>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t 
>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but once 
>> I figured it out, I do like it. 
>> 
>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues 
>> updating or searching for apps. 
>> 
>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS 
>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
>>> 
>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around 
>>> erradically.
>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>>> onscreen keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
  Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
 
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 On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
> something I expected.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
> 
> Simon,
>  That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hi List,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>> suggestion would be DON”T!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>> 
>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>> lively as normal,
>> 
>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
>> 

How to control playback speed in VLC

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
I recall a recent discussion on how to slowdown playback. VLC seemed to be the 
answer so I have been trying that as my first use of VLC. While the track of 
interest is playing I can get to the playback menu where I can find a slider 
with options for slower and faster. If I interact with the slider I can make 
the playback faster but how to I undo that and make the playback slower than 
the normal speed?
I recall a reply mentioning Alt+arrow keys as a way to control playback speed. 
Is that something I have to set up in preferences? 
Many thanks.

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Re: VoiceDream Writer

[Phil Halton]

Then I would suggest contacting the developer through the app itself. He's very 
responsive although I would suggest that you be as specific as possible with 
all the details you can give.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> I’ve tried this and the dropbox button just says off over and over each time 
> I tap.
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> You have to give Ryder access to your dropbox account. Do it in the 
>> following way. One, select Add document.
>> Two, select import from external location.
>> Three. Select the "more" option.
>> Under the more options you will find manage locations. Tap the "dropbox" 
>> switch and it should activate the dropbox account. You might have to login 
>> and or go through a confirmation screen. Then you can save two and import 
>> from your dropbox folder.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Stacey Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I recently bought VoiceDream Writer.
>>> Using it with VO I cannot get the dropbox setting to turn on. It just says 
>>> off each time I double tap.
>>> Is there a podcast or guide that could help with this?
>>> 
>>> Peace,
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Krister Ekstrom]

Anders, have you hear d the new swedish siri voice? I thought it was quite 
nice. Wonder if you can only use it with Siri.
One bug i noticed in earlier iOs versions has apparently been fixed, you can 
now add posts to calendar using Siri. I’m not quite sure what i like or don’t 
like about the app store.
I think there will always be a limited amount of swedish voices. There are 
gazillions of english voices fro everywhere but only two or three swedish ones, 
that’s the way of the world alas.
/Krister

> 28 juni 2017 kl. 18:33 skrev Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hi!
> A bit of a lag is there but it is so small i don’t find it irritating.
> But this is on an Iphone Se.
> SO far Ios 11 does not impress me.
> SOme new things in the control center makes it more usable ofcourse but i 
> thought they should add more voices to swedish but sadly not.
> /A
>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 12:01 skrev Simon Fogarty > >:
>> 
>> Try a two finger double swipe up or down and tell me what you think!
>>  
>> My phone doesn’t seem to be liking swipes up / down with two or three 
>> fingers,
>> I’m finding that sensitivity seems to be lacking currently but might be just 
>> a first release issue.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 1:46 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>  
>> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with 
>> the beta though installing it early this morning.
>>  
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
>> would be 
>> DON”T!
>>  
>> I have and although a number of things are looking good 
>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
>> normal,
>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
>> closing the app and then reopening it.
>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
>> before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact 
>> it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>  
>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
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[Jonathan C. Cohn]

 
You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you need to. 
This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please don't just reply to a 
message especially if you don't change the subject.
You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of System 
Preferences.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am having trouble with pages.
> 
> There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which makes a 
> page break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, and I am unable 
> to perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the insert section on the menu 
> bar, and choose insert page break, then it works.
> 
> Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard 
> shortcut versus going through the menu bar..
> 
> thanks!
> Caitlyn
> ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular app 
> here?
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Re: Disk Warrior

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
>From what i remember it should work but it was a bit complicated.
I really don’t remember what it could do but i remember trying it out.
/A
> 28 juni 2017 kl. 17:42 skrev Marshall Scott :
> 
> Hi Folks,
> First of all, forgive me if this message is duplicated.  I had a little 
> trouble with my network this morning.
> My question is:  Does Disk Warrior work with Voiceover?  I tried  calling 
> Alsoft and couldn't get any reliable information.
> Thanks,
> Marshall
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
How do one drag and drop?
And where did you find about that feature?
I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
/A
> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley :
> 
> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate 
> differently. 
> 
> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a sign 
> in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the home 
> screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes, 
> reporting this. 
> 
> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them from 
> most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home designation is 
> gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to work, say to switch 
> back after an accidental hand off occurs. 
> 
> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish 
> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
> 
> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go into 
> the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader though so just 
> a different way of doing things. 
> 
> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t realize 
> you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but once I 
> figured it out, I do like it. 
> 
> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues 
> updating or searching for apps. 
> 
> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS beta, 
> things seem to be working OK though.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
>> 
>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around erradically.
>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>> onscreen keyboard.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>>   Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
 something I expected.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
 Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
 
 Simon,
   That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
 destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Hi List,
> 
> 
> 
> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
> suggestion would be DON”T!
> 
> 
> 
> I have and although a number of things are looking good
> 
> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
> lively as normal,
> 
> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
> without closing the app and then reopening it.
> 
> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them
> yourself.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
> 
> 
> 
> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
A bit of a lag is there but it is so small i don’t find it irritating.
But this is on an Iphone Se.
SO far Ios 11 does not impress me.
SOme new things in the control center makes it more usable ofcourse but i 
thought they should add more voices to swedish but sadly not.
/A
> 28 juni 2017 kl. 12:01 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> Try a two finger double swipe up or down and tell me what you think!
>  
> My phone doesn’t seem to be liking swipes up / down with two or three fingers,
> I’m finding that sensitivity seems to be lacking currently but might be just 
> a first release issue.
>  
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 1:46 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>  
> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with 
> the beta though installing it early this morning.
>  
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Hi List,
>  
> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
> would be 
> DON”T!
>  
> I have and although a number of things are looking good 
> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
> normal,
> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
> closing the app and then reopening it.
> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
> before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact 
> it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
>  
>  
>  
> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>  
> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
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Re: file volt weirdness

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I believe that you are correct, in that it is a hardware difference.  I have an 
MBP Late 2011 and I only enabled File Vault a couple of months ago.  So, you'd 
expect it to be the newest version of File Vault.  My machine only does the 
single beep when I attempt to turn VO on, double beep after the username has 
been entered and a triple beep after everything's done correctly and it's ready 
to go.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 28, 2017, at 04:29, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Listers,
 
A few weeks ago we had a discussion on file volt not speaking at the log in 
prompt or vise versa
 
I’ve just put sierra on to a mac mini I’ve obtained from work,
 
I thought I’d secure things more with file volt and low and behold it only 
beeps when trying to log in, or at least it did before I locked myself out.
 
Now what I find weird about this is that on my mac book air I have sierra 
installed and file volt enabled yet vo will speak if I command f5 at the prompt 
I log in and am away and racing.
 
My mac book air is a mid 2013 july MBA and the mac mini is a late 2010 device,
 
I’m just wondering if this difference in file volt behaviour is due to hardware 
differences
 
But I thought it was interesting that one machine works one way and the other 
machine another way.
 
Cheers,
 
 
Simon F
 

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weirdness with iPhone wake-up screen?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

So I woke up this morning to find that the wake-up screen on my iPhone contains 
all kinds of junk that wasn't there before.  Has anyone else experienced this?  
Anyone know if there's a way to change it back? I liked it better the other 
way. :)
TIA,
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Disk Warrior

[Marshall Scott]

Hi Folks,
First of all, forgive me if this message is duplicated.  I had a little trouble 
with my network this morning.
My question is:  Does Disk Warrior work with Voiceover?  I tried  calling 
Alsoft and couldn't get any reliable information.
Thanks,
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Re: VoiceDream Writer

[Stacey Robinson]

I’ve tried this and the dropbox button just says off over and over each time I 
tap.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> You have to give Ryder access to your dropbox account. Do it in the following 
> way. One, select Add document.
> Two, select import from external location.
> Three. Select the "more" option.
> Under the more options you will find manage locations. Tap the "dropbox" 
> switch and it should activate the dropbox account. You might have to login 
> and or go through a confirmation screen. Then you can save two and import 
> from your dropbox folder.
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I recently bought VoiceDream Writer.
>> Using it with VO I cannot get the dropbox setting to turn on. It just says 
>> off each time I double tap.
>> Is there a podcast or guide that could help with this?
>> 
>> Peace,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
I am having trouble with pages.

There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which makes a page 
break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, and I am unable to 
perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the insert section on the menu bar, 
and choose insert page break, then it works.

Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard shortcut 
versus going through the menu bar..

thanks!
Caitlyn
ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular app here?

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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Jenine Stanley]

I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate 
differently. 

1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a sign in 
screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the home screen. 
This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes, reporting this. 

2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them from most 
recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home designation is gone 
and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to work, say to switch back 
after an accidental hand off occurs. 

3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish depending 
on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.

4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go into the 
files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader though so just a 
different way of doing things. 

5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t realize 
you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but once I figured 
it out, I do like it. 

6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues updating 
or searching for apps. 

Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS beta, 
things seem to be working OK though.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
> my 6S behaving any differently.
> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around erradically.
> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
> onscreen keyboard.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>>> something I expected.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>> 
>>> Simon,
>>>That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
>>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 Hi List,
 
 
 
 Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
 suggestion would be DON”T!
 
 
 
 I have and although a number of things are looking good
 
 I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
 lively as normal,
 
 A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
 without closing the app and then reopening it.
 
 Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
 noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
 alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them
 yourself.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
 
 
 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Scott Davert]

here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
my 6S behaving any differently.
1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around erradically.
3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
condition and tempature is not read by VO.
4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
onscreen keyboard.

Scott

On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>> something I expected.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>
>> Simon,
>> That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>>> suggestion would be DON”T!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>>
>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>>> lively as normal,
>>>
>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>>
>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
>>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
>>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
>>>
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Sound Forge 3 with VO

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hello,

is anyone working with the new updated Sound Forge 3 with VO? My impressions 
are:
• no real new features
• if I press Space or Enter to play or pause it takes round about 3 seconds to 
complete the action

Can anyone confirm this or is it just on my machine?

Thanks 
Jürgen

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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[E.T.]

   Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.

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On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't something I 
expected.

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Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Simon,
That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and 
destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.

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On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi List,



Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
suggestion would be DON”T!



I have and although a number of things are looking good

I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
lively as normal,

A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
without closing the app and then reopening it.

Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them 
yourself.







So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.



But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.

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Re: VoiceDream Writer

[Phil Halton]

You have to give Ryder access to your dropbox account. Do it in the following 
way. One, select Add document.
Two, select import from external location.
Three. Select the "more" option.
Under the more options you will find manage locations. Tap the "dropbox" switch 
and it should activate the dropbox account. You might have to login and or go 
through a confirmation screen. Then you can save two and import from your 
dropbox folder.


Sent from my IPhone


> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:52 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I recently bought VoiceDream Writer.
> Using it with VO I cannot get the dropbox setting to turn on. It just says 
> off each time I double tap.
> Is there a podcast or guide that could help with this?
> 
> Peace,
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Re: file volt weirdness

[Jonathan Cohn]

Could this be what  you need to do? 

• bullet If you're using FileVault in Mac OS X Snow Leopard, you can upgrade to 
FileVault 2 by upgrading to OS X Lion or later. After upgrading OS X, open 
FileVault preferences and follow the onscreen instructions to upgrade 
FileVault. group with 2 items.
If this system was running the older version or was migrated from an older 
system and you never did this then you might be running File Vault 1.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Listers,
>  
> A few weeks ago we had a discussion on file volt not speaking at the log in 
> prompt or vise versa
>  
> I’ve just put sierra on to a mac mini I’ve obtained from work,
>  
> I thought I’d secure things more with file volt and low and behold it only 
> beeps when trying to log in, or at least it did before I locked myself out.
>  
> Now what I find weird about this is that on my mac book air I have sierra 
> installed and file volt enabled yet vo will speak if I command f5 at the 
> prompt I log in and am away and racing.
>  
> My mac book air is a mid 2013 july MBA and the mac mini is a late 2010 device,
>  
> I’m just wondering if this difference in file volt behaviour is due to 
> hardware differences
>  
> But I thought it was interesting that one machine works one way and the other 
> machine another way.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
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VoiceDream Writer

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi all,
I recently bought VoiceDream Writer.
Using it with VO I cannot get the dropbox setting to turn on. It just says off 
each time I double tap.
Is there a podcast or guide that could help with this?

Peace,  
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Re: Problem selecting dates in diary online with Voiceover in Safari

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hard to tell without personally playing with the site. I often do find that as 
long as I am in the main navigation area of the screen, using either find, 
VoiceOver find or item chooser will help with sites.  First thing to discover 
is if there is a lot of hiding and unhiding of the some HTML content based on 
location of mouse / touch gestures. 

One thing to be aware of, is that if the site makes use of frames, these 
usually need a separate set of interaction to determine what is inside. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Here is my problem: I need to book slots for online lessons in a tutor's 
> diary.  The dates and the times are not reported by VoiceOver as links or any 
> clickable elements, and yet a sighted person can select them using the mouse. 
>  I've tried every trick I've learnt for the 10 years of using Voiceover but 
> it is still unreliable.  Sometimes I manage to select what I want but most 
> often I can't and the amount of time I spend on this simple task is just  
> impossible to justify.  I've tried Chrome on the mac side and sAfari, I've 
> tried Chrome, Firefox, and Internet Explorer on Windows in virtual machine 
> with jaws but to no avail.  Can anyone suggest something, or is it plain 
> impossible and therefore I will have to rely on sighted help for this?
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Re: How to use terminal?

[-dan d.]

The say command alone plus a word will be spoken using the voice one uses 
in vo.Using the -v with a voice name uses that voice.


If more then one word enclose them in quoatation marks.

Using -f plus the name of a text file will speak the contents of the file. 
The -v plus voice works if desired here too.


There are afew other options also, including voice rate and creating an
audio file of the spoken text.



okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone know how to 
make it say just anything you want to print command?

Fun stuff,


On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some cases 
you may be asked for your log in password.

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On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Hi,

I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I found 
Terminal in the ?others? folder.  when I entered I found my last log-in date, 
among other things, including shell .  I don?t know where to type or paste.  .  
Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, ?Terminal has no 
windows?.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?

Thanks,




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file volt weirdness

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Listers,

A few weeks ago we had a discussion on file volt not speaking at the log in 
prompt or vise versa

I've just put sierra on to a mac mini I've obtained from work,

I thought I'd secure things more with file volt and low and behold it only 
beeps when trying to log in, or at least it did before I locked myself out.

Now what I find weird about this is that on my mac book air I have sierra 
installed and file volt enabled yet vo will speak if I command f5 at the prompt 
I log in and am away and racing.

My mac book air is a mid 2013 july MBA and the mac mini is a late 2010 device,

I'm just wondering if this difference in file volt behaviour is due to hardware 
differences

But I thought it was interesting that one machine works one way and the other 
machine another way.

Cheers,


Simon F

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mac os server

[Simon Fogarty]

Does any one know of a good tech manual on OSX server in the current case it is 
ver: 10.12.x sierra server.




Cheers for any info people might have.

Simon f

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Problem selecting dates in diary online with Voiceover in Safari

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

Here is my problem: I need to book slots for online lessons in a tutor's diary. 
 The dates and the times are not reported by VoiceOver as links or any 
clickable elements, and yet a sighted person can select them using the mouse.  
I've tried every trick I've learnt for the 10 years of using Voiceover but it 
is still unreliable.  Sometimes I manage to select what I want but most often I 
can't and the amount of time I spend on this simple task is just  impossible to 
justify.  I've tried Chrome on the mac side and sAfari, I've tried Chrome, 
Firefox, and Internet Explorer on Windows in virtual machine with jaws but to 
no avail.  Can anyone suggest something, or is it plain impossible and 
therefore I will have to rely on sighted help for this?

Many thanks

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RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't something I 
expected.

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On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Simon,
That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and 
destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.

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On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Hi List,
>
>
>
> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my 
> suggestion would be DON”T!
>
>
>
> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>
> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as 
> lively as normal,
>
> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase 
> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>
> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not 
> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and 
> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them 
> yourself.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>
>
>
> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
>
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RE: apple configurater / MDM

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

Thanks for that, yes configurator 2 is the current one I guess an update / 
beter version

Yes I have approx. 10 iPhone 4 / 4s devices that I want to lock down so that if 
someone uses one they can’t add in their own apple ID and forget to unlock it 
from that id before giving it back which we’ve had happen in the passed couple 
of weeks.

A pain in the ass if you have to contact someone at the other end of the 
country to unlock a phone to be able to reset it.

Thanks for any further info if you have any.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple configurater / MDM

Simon,

I use Apple Configurator often and it is very accessible.  I'm more used to the 
original Configurator as opposed to Configurator 2, but have played a little 
with 2.  Configurator 2 is actually much better, but I just haven't had the 
time to work with it much.  I will be doing so over the next few months though 
as I need to take control of a bunch of iPads that need updating and are still 
connected to the original Configurator.  If you're just doing minor stuff like 
you mentioned, there's no real need to go all out on an MDM, Configurator 2 and 
maybe OS X Server should be fine.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 27, 2017, at 03:40, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi Listers,

Just wondering if anyone has used or is using either  Apple configurater or 
another MDM system for IOS Devices?

I’d prefer apple configurater simply becase it’s free and hopefully easy to use.

But would like to know of any other systems people might be using currently.

I have a number of iPhone 4 and 4s devices I need to lock down so people can’t 
go changing settings on them.
Thanks for any info you may have.


Simon f

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RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

No it will over write the existing profile.

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Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 3:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Thanks for that info. Do i have to uninstall my current profile?
I guess yes but i'm asking just to be sure.

Skickat från min iPhone

27 juni 2017 kl. 17:53 skrev Scott Granados 
>:
You have to enroll again and start over with 11.  You won’t get it 
automatically if you have 10.3.3 installed as it’s a different signed boot file.

On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Krister Ekström 
> wrote:

I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I have a 
beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
/Krister


Skickat från min iPhone

27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados 
>:
I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with the 
beta though installing it early this morning.

On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi List,

Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
would be
DON”T!

I have and although a number of things are looking good
I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
normal,
A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
closing the app and then reopening it.
Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact it’s 
all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.



So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.

But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.

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RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

Try a two finger double swipe up or down and tell me what you think!

My phone doesn’t seem to be liking swipes up / down with two or three fingers,
I’m finding that sensitivity seems to be lacking currently but might be just a 
first release issue.

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I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with the 
beta though installing it early this morning.

On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi List,

Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
would be
DON”T!

I have and although a number of things are looking good
I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
normal,
A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
closing the app and then reopening it.
Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact it’s 
all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.



So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.

But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.

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