How GPS Apps Work

[Todor Fassl]

The global positioning system, invented a couple of decades ago, works 
by having a bunch of satellites circling the earth broadcasting the 
time. Just the time. Because radio signals travel at the speed of light, 
which is not infinite, your GPS receiver can tell from how late the 
signals are how far away the satellites are. If it has at least 3 
signals, it can figure out exactly where you are in space. If it has a 
data connection, it can then query a map database to find out where you 
are on the Earth. If it doesn't have a data connection but it does have 
map data, either because it is cached or because you deliberately 
uploaded it to your phone, it can still figure out where you are.



The system can break down in 2 basic ways:

1. No signal from GPS satellites. GPS signals are available all over the 
globe. Most of the satellites are in geosyncronous orbit around the 
equator but enough of them are not so you can still get a GPS signal at 
the poles. However, the radio signals from the satellites is very weak 
and you might not even be able to pick it up in a mobile home. In a 
parking garage, probably not


2. No map data. If your location is not in a mpa database, if you don't 
have access to a map database, or if the map data is wrong, your phone 
won't know where you are. It should still be able to give you GPS 
coordinates but that won't help most people most of the time.



Note: I have talked only about GPS systems. Your phone can also 
triangulate it's position from cell phone towers and even wifi signals. 
Google has made a map of as many of the wifi signals it can in the 
world. So if you called the wifi in your house "blindGuysAreSexy", it 
might be able to tell someone where they are based on that alone.




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RE: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[David & his pack of dogs]

Your comment begs the question, what to you is camping?  Of course, you don't 
have to answer. I just get a kick out of those who say they love camping then 
find out their perception of camping is staying in a cottage.  Our handyman 
told us his girlfriend at the time said she loved camping.  After they got 
married he found out her idea was living in an R V, his was tenting and cooking 
on an open fire. The next girlfriend, her idea of a vacation was living in a 
gated community.  His comment, "Why not just go to prison, then."

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: August 31, 2017 5:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I reckon our perception of "camping" is dated, sadly.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 4:35 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
> The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is subjective 
> at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private campground, is 
> camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the local pub or 
> restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  Then there are 
> those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a carry-in tent. Some 
> camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot dogs, chips and 
> beer, leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all subjective.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
> Sent: August  31, 2017 4:19 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. 
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
> didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
> above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with 
> guide dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a 
> guide dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There 
> are a million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me 
> you have taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I 
> am going to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with 
> my f'in guide dog.
> 
> PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.
> 
> 
> On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not 
>> Eat, its E.T.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the 
>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>>Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the 
>>> evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>
 A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will 
 work wonders. That is what they are trained for.

   From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no 
> substitute for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it 
> offers certain possibilities not available on your phone.
> Sent from my IPhone
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost 
>> in the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on 
>> my own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but 
>> he'd get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping 
>> some people could give me some tips on using technology to help 
>> me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>>
>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, an

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Todor Fassl]

I did specify in my original message that I was going rock climbing. 
That would imply that I am leaving the RV.


Lets start over ... Has anyone gone tent camping in a state or national 
park and found a use for their iphone that they would like to pass 
along? Forget I ever mentioned that I have a guide dog. Actual 
experienced campers only, please.




On 08/31/2017 06:35 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is subjective 
at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private campground, is 
camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the local pub or 
restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  Then there are 
those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a carry-in tent. Some 
camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot dogs, chips and beer, 
leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all subjective.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: August31, 2017 4:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. 
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with guide 
dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a guide 
dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There are a 
million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me you have 
taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I am going 
to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with my f'in 
guide dog.

PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.


On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:

How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not
Eat, its E.T.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hey EAT,
How about a tactual compass?
This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and
when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the
Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
   Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the
evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR


On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:


A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work
wonders. That is what they are trained for.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly,
technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute
for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain
possibilities not available on your phone.
Sent from my IPhone

On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called
Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in
the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my
own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd
get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some
people could give me some tips on using technology to help me with
stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.

I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The
iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it
works. I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably
too late to update my phone.


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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[E.T.]

   I reckon our perception of "camping" is dated, sadly.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 4:35 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is subjective 
at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private campground, is 
camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the local pub or 
restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  Then there are 
those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a carry-in tent. Some 
camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot dogs, chips and beer, 
leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all subjective.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: August31, 2017 4:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. 
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with guide 
dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a guide 
dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There are a 
million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me you have 
taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I am going 
to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with my f'in 
guide dog.

PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.


On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:

How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not
Eat, its E.T.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hey EAT,
How about a tactual compass?
This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and
when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the
Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
   Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the
evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR


On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:


A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work
wonders. That is what they are trained for.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly,
technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute
for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain
possibilities not available on your phone.
Sent from my IPhone

On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called
Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in
the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my
own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd
get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some
people could give me some tips on using technology to help me with
stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.

I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The
iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it
works. I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably
too late to update my phone.


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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Joseph Hudson]

Which is what I was trying to say was happening to me, whenever I had 
absolutely no service on my phone whatsoever Tim.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 4:03 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> consider this folks.  In the Spring of 2016, my son was in Italy.  To save 
> money, Data Roaming and cell service were turned off.  No WiFi either.  
> Probably in Airplane mode as well to make sure he wasn't accidentally charged 
> for data or anything at international rates.  He downloaded a map through 
> Google Maps on his phone when he was in the hostel the night before.  While 
> on the bus, with his phone turned on, but no network connectivity of any sort 
> as mentioned earlier, he could watch a little dot of him traveling along the 
> roads on this downloaded map.  So, the GPS is running and keeping track of 
> your location, the compass is active, but without pre-loading a map, no 
> directions are possible.
> 
> People need to consider the difference in semantics.  Just because the GPS 
> and compass are active, no route mapping is possible, no location services 
> are possible, unless you have an off-line or downloaded map that is related 
> to a specific navigational mapping or routing service like Google.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 14:39, David & his pack of dogs  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe camping to scott is not leaving his RV?  Coverage has improved a lot 
> but, having camped in the forest, there are still places that signals cannot 
> get too.  When we were in an underground parkaid at an international airport, 
> the GPS did not work at all.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: August 31, 2017 12:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> Hey Scott,
> If your out in the forest to climb rocks and such, I think you should not 
> depend on reception thats why I suggested a tactile compass to get you 
> pointed in the correct direction and once your guide dog recognizes the 
> "latrine" or starting point for the climb he'll guide you to it!!! :) A 
> "satellite phone" may be a solution also but if you want to un plug go all 
> the way.
> I never leave the house with out my compass in my bag as a back up!
> Chuck
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
> the world, all the evidence that points to  Our intelligent Design. You 
> ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did 
> it!"
> CR
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Right again, this is a problem with your application
>> 
>> Not the phone or the network.  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>>> directions.
>>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>>> GPS then mine did. 
>>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 This is not correct.
 
 Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
 location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
 tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need 
 to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is 
 not required however.
 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
> 
> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big 
> paper weight and only good for books and games.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>> its E.T.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction 
>>> and when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to Our

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Joseph Hudson]

I don't need to grow up just for your information.
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> On Aug 31, 2017, at 4:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Good grief, Joseph, grow up.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 1:07 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
>> Well Tim, that's exactly what I was trying to tell Scott. But he did not 
>> want to listen. He wanted to accuse me of smoking crack
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:53 PM, tim  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>>> directions.
>>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>>> GPS then mine did.
>>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 This is not correct.
 
 Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
 location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
 tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need 
 to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is 
 not required however.
 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
> 
> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big 
> paper weight and only good for books and games.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>> its E.T.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>>> Chuck
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! 
>>> And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
 A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
 wonders. That is what they are trained for.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
> for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
> possibilities not available on your phone.
> Sent from my IPhone
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
>> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own 
>> I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
>> confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people 
>> could give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. 
>> Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>> 
>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The 
>> iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. 
>> I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late 
>> to update my phone.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Todd
>> 
>> -- 
>>>

RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[David & his pack of dogs]

The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is subjective 
at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private campground, is 
camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the local pub or 
restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  Then there are 
those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a carry-in tent. Some 
camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot dogs, chips and beer, 
leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all subjective.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: August31, 2017 4:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. 
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with guide 
dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a guide 
dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There are a 
million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me you have 
taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I am going 
to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with my f'in 
guide dog.

PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.


On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not 
> Eat, its E.T.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hey EAT,
>> How about a tactual compass?
>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the 
>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>   Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the 
>> evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>
>>>A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>>
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
 Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
 technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
 for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
 possibilities not available on your phone.
 Sent from my IPhone
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>
> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my 
> own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd 
> get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some 
> people could give me some tips on using technology to help me with 
> stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>
> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The 
> iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it 
> works. I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably 
> too late to update my phone.
>
>
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Todor Fassl]

Technically, Joseph, you are wrong. The phone will still pick up a GPS 
location. It just won't know where that location is on a map. Most GPS 
apps get live map data via your data link. But there is an app called 
Navigon that allows you to download map data in advance. [Note to self, 
make sure the map for Illinois in on your phone before leaving.]


On 08/31/2017 01:47 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:

Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But I 
hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. However 
yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your device, 
the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried this. When 
I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you have no 
service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost service. 
So I hope this clarifies things.
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On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

This is not correct.

Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not required 
however.


On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:

I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long as 
you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper weight 
and only good for books and games.

On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:

How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its E.T.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hey EAT,
How about a tactual compass?
This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when you 
get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to
Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out 
Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR
On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:

A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work wonders. That 
is what they are trained for.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology has 
it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly smile and  
asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not available on your 
phone.
Sent from my IPhone

On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called Adaptive 
Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds. 
Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would always get kind of 
lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I 
was hoping some people could give me some tips on using technology to help me 
with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.

I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing to buy 
some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.


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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Todor Fassl]

I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide 
dog. I didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide 
dog and way above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind 
community and with guide dog users in particular and I know this for to 
be a fact. There isn't a guide dog on this planet that isn't going to 
have trouble in the woods. There are a million distractions and no clear 
paths. If you are going to tell me you have taken your guide dog on 
camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I am going to call you a 
liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with my f'in guide dog.


PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.


On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
   How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not 
Eat, its E.T.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hey EAT,
How about a tactual compass?
This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)

Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
  Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the 
evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"

CR


On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:

   A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
wonders. That is what they are trained for.


 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
possibilities not available on your phone.

Sent from my IPhone

On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my 
own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd 
get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some 
people could give me some tips on using technology to help me with 
stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.


I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The 
iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it 
works. I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably 
too late to update my phone.



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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Todor Fassl]

You know, on a lot of forumns, it is considered rude to not answer the 
question that is asked. I didn't ask for help with my dog.



On 08/31/2017 01:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
   A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
wonders. That is what they are trained for.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
possibilities not available on your phone.


Sent from my IPhone



On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own 
I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people 
could give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. 
Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.


I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The 
iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. 
I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late 
to update my phone.



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RE: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

[David & his pack of dogs]

They both need to move on and stop sniping each other on list.  Scott did not 
have to be sarcastic and Joseph did not have to respond in kind.  Where there 
is no wood, there is no fire.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: August 31, 2017 2:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

Good grief, Joseph, grow up.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 1:07 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
> Well Tim, that's exactly what I was trying to tell Scott. But he did 
> not want to listen. He wanted to accuse me of smoking crack
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:53 PM, tim  wrote:
>>
>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>> directions.
>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>> GPS then mine did.
>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>>
>>> This is not correct.
>>>
>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to 
>>> have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>>> required however.
>>>
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:

 I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
 as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
 weight and only good for books and games.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>
> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
> its E.T.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hey EAT,
>> How about a tactual compass?
>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction 
>> and when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to Our intelligent 
>> Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out 
>> Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>>
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
 Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
 technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
 for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
 possibilities not available on your phone.
 Sent from my IPhone
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>
> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I 
> would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
> confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people 
> could give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. 
> Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>
> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone 
> is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am 
> willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to 
> update my phone.
>
>
> --
> Todd
>
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Eat,
You want Joseph, to Grow up?
E t phone Home!)
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to
 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR


On Aug 31, 2017, at 5:02 PM, E.T. wrote:

>   Good grief, Joseph, grow up.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 1:07 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
>> Well Tim, that's exactly what I was trying to tell Scott. But he did not 
>> want to listen. He wanted to accuse me of smoking crack
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:53 PM, tim  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>>> directions.
>>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>>> GPS then mine did.
>>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 This is not correct.
 
 Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
 location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
 tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need 
 to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is 
 not required however.
 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
> 
> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big 
> paper weight and only good for books and games.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>> its E.T.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>>> Chuck
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! 
>>> And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
 A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
 wonders. That is what they are trained for.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
> for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
> possibilities not available on your phone.
> Sent from my IPhone
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
>> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own 
>> I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
>> confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people 
>> could give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. 
>> Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>> 
>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The 
>> iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. 
>> I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late 
>> to update my phone.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Todd
>> 
>> -- 
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[E.T.]

   Good grief, Joseph, grow up.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 1:07 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:

Well Tim, that's exactly what I was trying to tell Scott. But he did not want 
to listen. He wanted to accuse me of smoking crack

On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:53 PM, tim  wrote:

Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told me 
not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to wait 
until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
directions.
My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with GPS 
then mine did.
Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:


This is not correct.

Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not required 
however.


On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:

I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long as 
you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper weight 
and only good for books and games.

On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:

How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its E.T.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hey EAT,
How about a tactual compass?
This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when you 
get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to
Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out 
Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR
On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:

A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work wonders. That 
is what they are trained for.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology has 
it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly smile and  
asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not available on your 
phone.
Sent from my IPhone

On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called Adaptive 
Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds. 
Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would always get kind of 
lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I 
was hoping some people could give me some tips on using technology to help me 
with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.

I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing to buy 
some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.


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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

consider this folks.  In the Spring of 2016, my son was in Italy.  To save 
money, Data Roaming and cell service were turned off.  No WiFi either.  
Probably in Airplane mode as well to make sure he wasn't accidentally charged 
for data or anything at international rates.  He downloaded a map through 
Google Maps on his phone when he was in the hostel the night before.  While on 
the bus, with his phone turned on, but no network connectivity of any sort as 
mentioned earlier, he could watch a little dot of him traveling along the roads 
on this downloaded map.  So, the GPS is running and keeping track of your 
location, the compass is active, but without pre-loading a map, no directions 
are possible.

People need to consider the difference in semantics.  Just because the GPS and 
compass are active, no route mapping is possible, no location services are 
possible, unless you have an off-line or downloaded map that is related to a 
specific navigational mapping or routing service like Google.

Later...
  
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 31, 2017, at 14:39, David & his pack of dogs  
wrote:

Maybe camping to scott is not leaving his RV?  Coverage has improved a lot but, 
having camped in the forest, there are still places that signals cannot get 
too.  When we were in an underground parkaid at an international airport, the 
GPS did not work at all.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: August 31, 2017 12:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

Hey Scott,
If your out in the forest to climb rocks and such, I think you should not 
depend on reception thats why I suggested a tactile compass to get you pointed 
in the correct direction and once your guide dog recognizes the "latrine" or 
starting point for the climb he'll guide you to it!!! :) A "satellite phone" 
may be a solution also but if you want to un plug go all the way.
I never leave the house with out my compass in my bag as a back up!
Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to  Our intelligent Design. You 
ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR



On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Right again, this is a problem with your application
> 
> Not the phone or the network.  
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>> directions.
>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>> GPS then mine did. 
>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is not correct.
>>> 
>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to 
>>> have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>>> required however.
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
 
 I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
 as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
 weight and only good for books and games.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
> its E.T.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hey EAT,
>> How about a tactual compass?
>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction 
>> and when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to Our intelligent 
>> Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out 
>> Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyb

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[David Chittenden]

Actually, Joseph, it depends on the app. Some apps, such as Navigon, store all 
the maps on the phone. For these apps, the only thing needed is GPS signal. 
Unfortunately, only one app which stores local map data on the phone is free. 
All the others charge a decent amount. And, there is the situation of 
accessibility.

Direct access to the sky is not always enough. Direct access to the sky where 
the GPS satelites are is always enough, when one has the map data.

The situation described, where cell tower access is required means the phone 
requires a data signal to receive map positional information. Oh, I believe the 
information is called GIS, or Geographic Information System.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 1/09/2017, at 04:47, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But 
> I hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. 
> However yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your 
> device, the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried 
> this. When I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you 
> have no service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost 
> service. So I hope this clarifies things.
>Joseph Hudson 
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> This is not correct.
>> 
>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
>> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>> required however.
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
>>> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>>> weight and only good for books and games.
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
 E.T.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
> Hey EAT,
> How about a tactual compass?
> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
> you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
> Chuck
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
> of the world, all the evidence that points to
> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
> CR
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
>>> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
>>> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
>>> available on your phone.
>>> Sent from my IPhone
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
 
 I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
 Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
 camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I 
 would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
 confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could 
 give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas 
 what so ever are acceptable.
 
 I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone 
 is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am 
 willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to 
 update my phone.
 
 
 -- 
 Todd
 
 -- 

RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[David & his pack of dogs]

Maybe camping to scott is not leaving his RV?  Coverage has improved a lot but, 
having camped in the forest, there are still places that signals cannot get 
too.  When we were in an underground parkaid at an international airport, the 
GPS did not work at all.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: August 31, 2017 12:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

Hey Scott,
If your out in the forest to climb rocks and such, I think you should not 
depend on reception thats why I suggested a tactile compass to get you pointed 
in the correct direction and once your guide dog recognizes the "latrine" or 
starting point for the climb he'll guide you to it!!! :) A "satellite phone" 
may be a solution also but if you want to un plug go all the way.
I never leave the house with out my compass in my bag as a back up!
Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to  Our intelligent Design. You 
ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR



On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Right again, this is a problem with your application
> 
> Not the phone or the network.  
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>> directions.
>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>> GPS then mine did. 
>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is not correct.
>>> 
>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to 
>>> have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>>> required however.
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
 
 I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
 as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
 weight and only good for books and games.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
> its E.T.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hey EAT,
>> How about a tactual compass?
>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction 
>> and when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to Our intelligent 
>> Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out 
>> Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
 Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
 technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
 for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
 possibilities not available on your phone.
 Sent from my IPhone
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I 
> would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
> confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people 
> could give me some tips on using technology 

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Joseph Hudson]

Well Tim, that's exactly what I was trying to tell Scott. But he did not want 
to listen. He wanted to accuse me of smoking crack
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:53 PM, tim  wrote:
> 
> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
> directions.
> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with GPS 
> then mine did. 
> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> This is not correct.
>> 
>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
>> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>> required however.
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
>>> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>>> weight and only good for books and games.
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
 E.T.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
> Hey EAT,
> How about a tactual compass?
> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
> you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
> Chuck
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
> of the world, all the evidence that points to
> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
> CR
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
>>> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
>>> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
>>> available on your phone.
>>> Sent from my IPhone
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
 
 I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
 Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
 camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I 
 would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
 confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could 
 give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas 
 what so ever are acceptable.
 
 I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone 
 is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am 
 willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to 
 update my phone.
 
 
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Joseph Hudson]

Scott, first of all I don't smoke crack and three this is not the time for 
sarcasm. And furthermore, I was not talking about account status. I was talking 
about, when the phone itself completely has no service as to where you are 
located. So I know I'm fully correct as I have tried this on T-Mobile's 
network. I will not allow you to bash me here
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Joseph, put down the craack pipe, that’s wrong.
> 
> I received GPS signal with no service this morning on the way in to work when 
> I was between the HSPA and LTE transition.  So you can always pull GPS data, 
> this is independent of network access.   Your phone can decode both GPs and 
> Glanass signals natively with out network support.
>   Where you’re partly correct if you bothered reading was if you’re 
> working with software that doesn’t cache data.  Apple Maps in many cases or 
> other tools need network access to pull down the map data that you relate the 
> GPS signal against.  This is not the case for all applications.  Some 
> download a separate set of maps that does not require network access to read, 
> you store them locally for conditions where data can’t be pulled down.
>   Further more, if you have service your able to use both positioning 
> standards + tower location augmentation.  This will yield the best results.  
> If what you said was true though phones would lose their way in tunnels or in 
> big cities with multi path and in the tunnel case especially I can confirm 
> daily that network access is not required if you use the correct applications.
> 
> (Not to mention I tested this for carriers. Also if you said was true E911 
> would not work on phones that aren’t activated and in fact it does, it’s an 
> FCC requirement that all phones regardless of payment or account status be 
> able to dial 911 and report it’s location.
> 
> Nice try though.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But 
>> I hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. 
>> However yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your 
>> device, the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried 
>> this. When I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you 
>> have no service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you 
>> lost service. So I hope this clarifies things.
>>  Joseph Hudson 
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is not correct.
>>> 
>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to 
>>> have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>>> required however.
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
 
 I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
 as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
 weight and only good for books and games.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
> its E.T.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hey EAT,
>> How about a tactual compass?
>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>> Chuck
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! 
>> And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>>

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

I guess you can’t read so we can stop here but for the literate among us 
continue on.  As mentioned, these applications were requiring data and didn’t 
cache their maps.  Google maps would have worked just fine as will GPS in a 
mountainous setting as long as you have good visibility of the sky which you 
should outside away from buildings.  You’d also be surprised how much coverage 
there is in rural mountainous areas now.  You can even get a cell signal on 
Everest.
Other apps that cache their data are Navigon and I’m not sure about the 
seeing eye package from Sendero.  I know they used to be heavy on mapping and 
local storage but not sure if that philosophy remains. Might be worth a trip to 
sender’s site or google for more background on the specific app.  The afore 
mentioned google maps is also a winner of an option.  None of these replace 
good O&M skills though. 

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:26 PM, tim  wrote:
> 
> Interesting, that it happened with 3 third party aps including the one that 
> comes with the phone?
> Nope, just no coverage. Not everything works in the mountains.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:16 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> If your out in the forest to climb rocks and such, I think you should not 
>> depend on reception thats why I suggested a tactile compass to get you 
>> pointed in the correct direction and once your guide dog recognizes the 
>> "latrine" or starting point for the climb he'll guide you to it!!! :)
>> A "satellite phone" may be a solution also but if you want to un plug go all 
>> the way.
>> I never leave the house with out my compass in my bag as a back up!
>> Chuck
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
>> the world, all the evidence that points to
>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
>> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> 
>>> Right again, this is a problem with your application 
>>> 
>>> Not the phone or the network.  
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim  wrote:
 
 Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it 
 told me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I 
 had to wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS 
 found my directions.
 My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
 GPS then mine did. 
 Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
 directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
 I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
 So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> This is not correct.
> 
> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
> tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will 
> need to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  
> WiFi is not required however.
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as 
>> long as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a 
>> big paper weight and only good for books and games.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>>> its E.T.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
 Hey EAT,
 How about a tactual compass?
 This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
 when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
 Chuck
 "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
 Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! 
 And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
 CR
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[tim]

Interesting, that it happened with 3 third party aps including the one that 
comes with the phone?
Nope, just no coverage. Not everything works in the mountains.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:16 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> If your out in the forest to climb rocks and such, I think you should not 
> depend on reception thats why I suggested a tactile compass to get you 
> pointed in the correct direction and once your guide dog recognizes the 
> "latrine" or starting point for the climb he'll guide you to it!!! :)
> A "satellite phone" may be a solution also but if you want to un plug go all 
> the way.
> I never leave the house with out my compass in my bag as a back up!
> Chuck
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
> the world, all the evidence that points to
> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
> CR
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Right again, this is a problem with your application 
>> 
>> Not the phone or the network.  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>>> directions.
>>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>>> GPS then mine did. 
>>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 This is not correct.
 
 Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
 location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
 tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need 
 to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is 
 not required however.
 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
> 
> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big 
> paper weight and only good for books and games.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>> its E.T.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>>> Chuck
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! 
>>> And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
 A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
 wonders. That is what they are trained for.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
> for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
> possibilities not available on your phone.
> Sent from my IPhone
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
>> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own 
>> I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
>> confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people 
>> could give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. 
>> Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>> 
>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The 

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Tim, well said, much better than I but we’re on exactly the same page.  Well 
played sir.:)

Related to this, I have a long time friend who used a GPS system to project a 
dot in space that he trained his guide dog to follow.  As the directions in the 
route changed the dot would move relative to the dog’s vision in the direction 
he wanted the dog to turn.  He was able to build more accurate maps I think by 
augmenting the GPS / tower signal with the local compass and gyro and have the 
dog basically run on a sort of auto pilot.

You’re points about accuracy are very solid.  One other potential issue is 
depending if static navigation is set you might need tome at more than 5 MPH to 
get an accurate detection of your movement and direction.  This is because most 
of these systems are built for use in cars so require a minimum amount of 
movement so you’re not constantly recalculating your position based on signal 
reflections and atmospherics.  The iPhone should be fine in this area.  You 
also get signal augmentation and the interpolation between the two navigation 
standards to help deal with the inaccuracy a bit.  Also the 5S is an old phone, 
it may be a bit less feature packed than the current model but it should give 
you general information which others have mentioned should be combined with 
good mobility skills.  Won’t help this camping trip but the new standards will 
support down to a half meter accuracy instead of 3 to 9 or more so this will 
also help.  If we could only decrypt the military signal we’d have this 
capability today but somehow they won’t let blind travelers use the same GPS 
signals as they use to steer missiles.


> On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:14 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> the distinction to be noted here, is that getting directions via a mapping 
> app like Apple Maps or Google Maps, vs GPS locations and compass 
> directionality.  As mentioned, both the GPS and the compass do not require 
> WiFi nor cell tower connectivity but if you wish to use them to follow a 
> route map, then you either need that connectivity or you need to use 
> something like Google Maps that can cache locally specific maps for off-line 
> use.  Again, these are not always perfect for situations like camping and 
> such as both the exact accuracy and the route is not mapped within these 
> apps.  What I mean by accuracy is that if you're supposed to walk 50 m west 
> along the road or path, then turn north or right onto a path that takes you 
> to the outhouse, the GPS cannot pin-point the exact 50 metre location.  
> That's where either your dog or marking locations along the way would come in 
> useful.  That is, if you marked the spot where you need to turn off the road, 
> while using an off-line mapping feature, then you should get some sort of 
> notification when you get close to the path and you could start the request 
> for your dog to find the path.  The best thing though in my opinion is to do 
> this a few times with sighted assistance letting your dog know that this is 
> how to get to the outhouse.  With this reinforcement and routine, your dog 
> should be able to handle it in the middle of the night just fine, unless 
> there's a major distraction like a bear or coyote.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:57, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Right again, this is a problem with your application 
> 
> Not the phone or the network.  
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>> directions.
>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>> GPS then mine did. 
>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is not correct.
>>> 
>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to 
>>> have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>>> required however.
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
 
 I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
 as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
 weight and only good for books and games.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
> its E.T.
> 
> From E.T.

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hey Scott,
If your out in the forest to climb rocks and such, I think you should not 
depend on reception thats why I suggested a tactile compass to get you pointed 
in the correct direction and once your guide dog recognizes the "latrine" or 
starting point for the climb he'll guide you to it!!! :)
A "satellite phone" may be a solution also but if you want to un plug go all 
the way.
I never leave the house with out my compass in my bag as a back up!
Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to
 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR



On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Right again, this is a problem with your application 
> 
> Not the phone or the network.  
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>> directions.
>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>> GPS then mine did. 
>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is not correct.
>>> 
>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to 
>>> have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>>> required however.
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
 
 I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
 as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
 weight and only good for books and games.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
> its E.T.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hey EAT,
>> How about a tactual compass?
>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>> Chuck
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! 
>> And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
 Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
 technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
 for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
 possibilities not available on your phone.
 Sent from my IPhone
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I 
> would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
> confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people 
> could give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. 
> Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
> 
> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone 
> is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am 
> willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to 
> update my phone.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Todd
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

the distinction to be noted here, is that getting directions via a mapping app 
like Apple Maps or Google Maps, vs GPS locations and compass directionality.  
As mentioned, both the GPS and the compass do not require WiFi nor cell tower 
connectivity but if you wish to use them to follow a route map, then you either 
need that connectivity or you need to use something like Google Maps that can 
cache locally specific maps for off-line use.  Again, these are not always 
perfect for situations like camping and such as both the exact accuracy and the 
route is not mapped within these apps.  What I mean by accuracy is that if 
you're supposed to walk 50 m west along the road or path, then turn north or 
right onto a path that takes you to the outhouse, the GPS cannot pin-point the 
exact 50 metre location.  That's where either your dog or marking locations 
along the way would come in useful.  That is, if you marked the spot where you 
need to turn off the road, while using an off-line mapping feature, then you 
should get some sort of notification when you get close to the path and you 
could start the request for your dog to find the path.  The best thing though 
in my opinion is to do this a few times with sighted assistance letting your 
dog know that this is how to get to the outhouse.  With this reinforcement and 
routine, your dog should be able to handle it in the middle of the night just 
fine, unless there's a major distraction like a bear or coyote.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:57, Scott Granados  wrote:

Right again, this is a problem with your application 

Not the phone or the network.  


> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim  wrote:
> 
> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
> directions.
> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with GPS 
> then mine did. 
> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> This is not correct.
>> 
>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
>> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>> required however.
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
>>> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>>> weight and only good for books and games.
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
 E.T.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
> Hey EAT,
> How about a tactual compass?
> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
> you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
> Chuck
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
> of the world, all the evidence that points to
> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
> CR
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
>>> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
>>> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
>>> available on your phone.
>>> Sent from my IPhone
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
 
 I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
 Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
 camp grounds. Li

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Right again, this is a problem with your application 

Not the phone or the network.  


> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim  wrote:
> 
> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
> directions.
> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with GPS 
> then mine did. 
> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> This is not correct.
>> 
>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
>> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>> required however.
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
>>> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>>> weight and only good for books and games.
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
 E.T.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
> Hey EAT,
> How about a tactual compass?
> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
> you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
> Chuck
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
> of the world, all the evidence that points to
> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
> CR
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
>>> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
>>> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
>>> available on your phone.
>>> Sent from my IPhone
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
 
 I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
 Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
 camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I 
 would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
 confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could 
 give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas 
 what so ever are acceptable.
 
 I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone 
 is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am 
 willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to 
 update my phone.
 
 
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

Joseph, put down the craack pipe, that’s wrong.

I received GPS signal with no service this morning on the way in to work when I 
was between the HSPA and LTE transition.  So you can always pull GPS data, this 
is independent of network access.   Your phone can decode both GPs and Glanass 
signals natively with out network support.
Where you’re partly correct if you bothered reading was if you’re 
working with software that doesn’t cache data.  Apple Maps in many cases or 
other tools need network access to pull down the map data that you relate the 
GPS signal against.  This is not the case for all applications.  Some download 
a separate set of maps that does not require network access to read, you store 
them locally for conditions where data can’t be pulled down.
Further more, if you have service your able to use both positioning 
standards + tower location augmentation.  This will yield the best results.  If 
what you said was true though phones would lose their way in tunnels or in big 
cities with multi path and in the tunnel case especially I can confirm daily 
that network access is not required if you use the correct applications.
 
(Not to mention I tested this for carriers. Also if you said was true E911 
would not work on phones that aren’t activated and in fact it does, it’s an FCC 
requirement that all phones regardless of payment or account status be able to 
dial 911 and report it’s location.

Nice try though.


> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But 
> I hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. 
> However yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your 
> device, the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried 
> this. When I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you 
> have no service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost 
> service. So I hope this clarifies things.
>   Joseph Hudson 
> 
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> jhud7...@gmail.com
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> Telephone
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> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> This is not correct.
>> 
>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
>> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>> required however.
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
>>> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>>> weight and only good for books and games.
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
 E.T.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
> Hey EAT,
> How about a tactual compass?
> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
> you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
> Chuck
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
> of the world, all the evidence that points to
> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
> CR
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
>>> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
>>> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
>>> available on your phone.
>>> Sent from my IPhone
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
 
 I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
 Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
 ca

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[tim]

Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told me 
not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to wait 
until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
directions.
My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with GPS 
then mine did. 
Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> This is not correct.
> 
> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
> required however.
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long as 
>> you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>> weight and only good for books and games.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>>> E.T.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
 Hey EAT,
 How about a tactual compass?
 This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
 you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
 Chuck
 "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
 of the world, all the evidence that points to
 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
 belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
 CR
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
>> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
>> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
>> available on your phone.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
>>> camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would 
>>> always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to 
>>> what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could give me some 
>>> tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever 
>>> are acceptable.
>>> 
>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone 
>>> is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am 
>>> willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to 
>>> update my phone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Todd
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Joseph Hudson]

Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But I 
hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. However 
yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your device, 
the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried this. When 
I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you have no 
service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost service. 
So I hope this clarifies things.
Joseph Hudson 

Email
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> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> This is not correct.
> 
> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
> required however.
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long as 
>> you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>> weight and only good for books and games.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>>> E.T.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
 Hey EAT,
 How about a tactual compass?
 This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
 you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
 Chuck
 "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
 of the world, all the evidence that points to
 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
 belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
 CR
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
>> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
>> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
>> available on your phone.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
>>> camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would 
>>> always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to 
>>> what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could give me some 
>>> tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever 
>>> are acceptable.
>>> 
>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone 
>>> is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am 
>>> willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to 
>>> update my phone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

This is not correct.

Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not required 
however.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
> 
> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long as 
> you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
> weight and only good for books and games.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>> E.T.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
>>> you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>>> Chuck
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
>>> of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
>>> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
  A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
 wonders. That is what they are trained for.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
> available on your phone.
> Sent from my IPhone
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
>> camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would 
>> always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to 
>> what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could give me some 
>> tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever 
>> are acceptable.
>> 
>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
>> running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing 
>> to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my 
>> phone.
>> 
>> 
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Re: not able to post

[tim]

Well maybe the gremlins have left me alone for once.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, this one made it through.
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>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:33 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> I have found recently that none of my posts have made it to the list
>> I have ben on the list right after it started and had the same problem. 
>> However, it was fixed by owner.
>> Would like it if you could have a look at it and see just what is going on.
>> The email subscribed to on this list is,
>> mrga...@gmail.com
>> Thank you,
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[tim]

I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long as 
you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper weight 
and only good for books and games.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
> E.T.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hey EAT,
>> How about a tactual compass?
>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
>> you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>> Chuck
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
>> the world, all the evidence that points to
>>  Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
>> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>   A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
 Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
 has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
 smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
 available on your phone.
 Sent from my IPhone
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> acceptable.
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Re: not able to post

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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[E.T.]

   How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not 
Eat, its E.T.


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On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hey EAT,
How about a tactual compass?
This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when you 
get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to
  Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch 
out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR


On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:


   A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work wonders. 
That is what they are trained for.

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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology has 
it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly smile and  
asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not available on your 
phone.
Sent from my IPhone

On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called Adaptive 
Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds. 
Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would always get kind of 
lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I 
was hoping some people could give me some tips on using technology to help me 
with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.

I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing to buy 
some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.


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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Scott Granados]

So unlike the other speeches for responses I’ll actually answer your question.

Seeing Eye GPS has the ability to set points of interest.  That might be a good 
way to go so you can mark specific areas you’re interested in.
Next, there’s an accessible compass built in, you might try that option 
to get basic direction.
Around me is a free application that tells you what’s located around 
you.
Apple Maps is also pretty feature packed but I think the ability to set 
POIs would be what you’re looking for.





> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called Adaptive 
> Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds. 
> Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would always get kind of 
> lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to what I wanted him to do. 
> I was hoping some people could give me some tips on using technology to help 
> me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
> 
> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
> running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing to 
> buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hey EAT,
How about a tactual compass?
This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when you 
get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to
 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR


On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:

>   A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work wonders. 
> That is what they are trained for.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology has 
>> it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly smile 
>> and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not available on 
>> your phone.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called Adaptive 
>>> Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds. 
>>> Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would always get kind 
>>> of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to what I wanted him 
>>> to do. I was hoping some people could give me some tips on using technology 
>>> to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>>> 
>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
>>> running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing to 
>>> buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[E.T.]

   A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
wonders. That is what they are trained for.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology has 
it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly smile and  
asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not available on your 
phone.

Sent from my IPhone



On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called Adaptive 
Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds. 
Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would always get kind of 
lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I 
was hoping some people could give me some tips on using technology to help me 
with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.

I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing to buy 
some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.


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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Phil Halton]

Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology has 
it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly smile and  
asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not available on your 
phone.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called Adaptive 
> Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds. 
> Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would always get kind of 
> lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to what I wanted him to do. 
> I was hoping some people could give me some tips on using technology to help 
> me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
> 
> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
> running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing to 
> buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.
> 
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Using my iphone on a camping trip

[Todor Fassl]

I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would 
always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to 
what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could give me some 
tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever 
are acceptable.


I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing 
to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.



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Re: Looking for a Spanish/English dictionary app for my iPhone

[Phil Halton]

Do a three finger swipe to the right on your home screen in order to get to the 
search screen. Then type in Spanish Dict and it should show you the app and 
under which folder it is currently stored. Then you can go there and move it 
out of the folder or wherever it is and place it where you like again.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 31, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hello Phil, Daniela and Sarai,
> 
> All of your suggestions are helpful and, in all likelihood, I will use all of 
> the tools you mentioned.
> 
> I just downloaded Spanish Dict and paid to get rid of the ads.
> 
> Unfortunately, when I was attempting to place the app in my dictionaries 
> folder, I did something wrong and can no longer find the app on my iPhone.  
> The only way I can now use the app is to go into the App Store, enter its 
> name in the Search field and then click on ‚Open.‘  If anybody knows of a way 
> that I can recover the app so that I can put it in its proper folder, I’d be 
> grateful.
> 
> Best to all of you with loads of gratitude,
> 
> Mike
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2017, at 13:47, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>> 
>> I always use word reference.com for many languages. It is easy and they take 
>> their data from very good dictionaries.
>> 
>> They have a payed app, but the web does the trick perfectly. The app is not 
>> so nice.
>> 
>> Hope it helps.
>> 
>> Daniela
>> 
>>> El 30 ago 2017, a las 19:02, Michael Busboom  escribió:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I regularly use a very good English/German dictionary app for my iPhone and 
>>> am wondering if there is a good Spanish/English dictionary app that is 
>>> accessible and thorough.
>>> 
>>> If there isn’t an app, is there a good web-based alternative that I could 
>>> use?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>> Mike
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Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[David Tanner]

Well look at it this way, if looking at the front if your phone so the camera 
can see your face it you're ugly enough to break the phone maybe you should get 
rid of it anyway. Smile

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:21 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Kawal,
> 
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean,
> If you hold the phone with the front of it pointing at your face then the 
> face recognition would see your face 
> like hold the phone with the screen looking at you, surely you can do that 
> with some success?
> 
> As for voiceover reacting with face recognition 
> Well that's a good one,
> I'm guessing it will not do much other than alert you if the phone is 
> unlocked by talking, or say something like 
> Recognition not possible, 
> Similar to what the phone does already if your finger print isn't picked up.
> 
> If your really unlucky or it's set up well then it could make the comment,
> Your to ugly to use this device, please take it back to the store you got it 
> from!
> 
> Or, 
> You don't own this phone, give it back or I'll scream! 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2017 9:02 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
> 
> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face 
> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone at 
> one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
>> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics 
>> out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really 
>> come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can 
>> happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that 
>> have likely been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because 
>> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations 
>> where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, 
>> all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house 
>> I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a 
>> background check.   So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there 
>> in various clouds doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that 
>> put facial recognition in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do 
>> now.  All technology has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to 
>> do our own do diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, 
>> there’s so much conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some 
>> real conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em 
>> coming.
>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM Face it: Every new 
>>> Apple technology is a disaster Apple is expected to release a new 
>>> technology next month so you know what that means: it's time to worry 
>>> about how bad it will be.
>>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will 
>>> be. You will be.
>>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series 
>>> Star Trek. Don't @ me.
>>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you 
>>> should be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.) There are 
>>> few things more personal than a face.
>>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate 
>>> glass window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your 
>>> genome from memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your 
>>> spouse can hold hands for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
>>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your 
>>> left eye which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in 
>>> Singapore in 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that 
>>> says "FREE MUSTACHE RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
>>> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also 
>>> soon be the preeminent key to your digital life.
>>> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! 
>>> Any-hoo, what's the deal with avocado toast?
>>> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone 
>>> makers of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
>>> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is 

Mod request, was "how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again"

[-dan d.]

Hmm, why would the mods allow this particular theology rant also, given the
nature of the request of what to "allow"?

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017, Scott Granados wrote:


You know the Mods really need to get these tag lines under control.  I don?t 
know why I have to read this religious garbage on a technical list just by 
opening the wrong message and the ratio of message content to religious bull 
crap is totally out of whack.  How can you have a one line response and a huge 
run on garbage rant about some fictional stuffed shirt sitting on a cloud 
commenting on a history channel show that?s equally off topic.  A rule should 
be set up that rejects any email with more than a 1 line tag line.  In this 
case there was 2 lines of content and 6 lines of what comes out of the back of 
a cow and it ain?t milk kids.



On Aug 30, 2017, at 2:30 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
wrote:

Hi Ronald,

I haven't ran across this before.
Good to take note of. :)
Chuck
"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to
 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out 
Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR


On Aug 30, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:


Sorry folks, didn?t see this thread earlier.
So control+f1 is called Keyboard Access. Thx Anne.

Ronald


Op 30 aug. 2017, om 17:44 heeft Anne Robertson mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> het volgende geschreven:

Hello Jonathan,

I have reassigned Ctrl-F1 to speak selected text so that I can?t turn off 
keyboard access accidentally. I recommend this move to all my VoiceOver 
students, too.
Here in France, with the French keyboard layout, we have to do quite a bit of 
messing about with keyboad shortcuts to avoid conflicts.
Cheers,

Anne




On 30 Aug 2017, at 17:16, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well, nobody answered the original question, yes there are other ways to get to 
the dock, but there is such a thing as finger memory.

To correct this problem usually you only need to type control-F1. If this 
happens to you quite a bit, you can also disable the control-F1 functionality.

Best Wishes,
Jonathan   Cohn



On 30 August 2017 at 04:14, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Just VO or ctrl / option keys and d will open the doc on your screen.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of regina alvarado
Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017 11:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: how to fix control+F3 so it opens the dock again


Isn't the command vo-D? to get to the dock?


Reggie and Lex


On Aug 29, 2017, at 7:29 PM, E.T. mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  What about VO-shift-d?

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, all the 
challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  and say God did it." 
--Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 


On 8/29/2017 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
That does no good
Sent from my iPhone,
the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in
Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac,
Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Aug 29, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Georgina Joyce mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk> 
>> wrote:
Hello,

Either include the Function key or go to System Preferences, Keyboard, keyboard 
and tick the box for standard layout.

Gena


On 29 Aug 2017, at 21:36, Raymond Foret Jr mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net> >> wrote:

control F3 no longer opens dock.  How to fix?

Somehow, I seem to have done something to my Mac so that when I press 
control+F3, it no longer exposes the dock but instead I get the boundary sound. 
 How do I fix this so that it works again?


Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

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[Vaughn Brown]

Hi folks,

I am wanting to use an external numb pad with ProTools on my laptop.
Are there any suggestions?

Thank you,
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Re: Looking for a Spanish/English dictionary app for my iPhone

[Michael Busboom]

Hello Phil, Daniela and Sarai,

All of your suggestions are helpful and, in all likelihood, I will use all of 
the tools you mentioned.

I just downloaded Spanish Dict and paid to get rid of the ads.

Unfortunately, when I was attempting to place the app in my dictionaries 
folder, I did something wrong and can no longer find the app on my iPhone.  The 
only way I can now use the app is to go into the App Store, enter its name in 
the Search field and then click on ‚Open.‘  If anybody knows of a way that I 
can recover the app so that I can put it in its proper folder, I’d be grateful.

Best to all of you with loads of gratitude,

Mike

> On 31 Aug 2017, at 13:47, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
> I always use word reference.com for many languages. It is easy and they take 
> their data from very good dictionaries.
> 
> They have a payed app, but the web does the trick perfectly. The app is not 
> so nice.
> 
> Hope it helps.
> 
> Daniela
> 
>> El 30 ago 2017, a las 19:02, Michael Busboom  escribió:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I regularly use a very good English/German dictionary app for my iPhone and 
>> am wondering if there is a good Spanish/English dictionary app that is 
>> accessible and thorough.
>> 
>> If there isn’t an app, is there a good web-based alternative that I could 
>> use?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: dropbox compatibility

[E.T.]

   You left out the 5 and 5c.

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On 8/30/2017 11:28 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

I haven't either,

But lets face it,it's the iPhone 4,4s and 3G range that can't support later os 
versions.

  


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 I have not but this is stated on their system requirements page.

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On 8/30/2017 9:07 PM, Gabe Griffith wrote:

hi all,

Has anyone else gotten a message from dropbox letting them know that as of 
January 16 2018 DropBox will no longer be supported on devices running 
something earlier than OS X 10.9?

Thanks,

Gabe






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Re: Looking for a Spanish/English dictionary app for my iPhone

[Phil Halton]

I have been using an app for many years now called Spanish Dict, note the 
spelling as D I C T. In the App Store you will find it as Spanish translator 
and dictionary by curiosity media it has five stars and I find it very 
thorough. It gives complete and accessible conjugations and dictionary 
references with context. It also gives audio pronunciations for words along 
with other features.  Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
> I always use word reference.com for many languages. It is easy and they take 
> their data from very good dictionaries.
> 
> They have a payed app, but the web does the trick perfectly. The app is not 
> so nice.
> 
> Hope it helps.
> 
> Daniela
> 
>> El 30 ago 2017, a las 19:02, Michael Busboom  escribió:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I regularly use a very good English/German dictionary app for my iPhone and 
>> am wondering if there is a good Spanish/English dictionary app that is 
>> accessible and thorough.
>> 
>> If there isn’t an app, is there a good web-based alternative that I could 
>> use?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: dropbox compatibility

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Gabe,

Yes I received the same email! :(
It looks like my mac pro won't be doing drop box after that!
Chuck
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 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR

On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Gabe Griffith wrote:

> hi all,
> 
> Has anyone else gotten a message from dropbox letting them know that as of 
> January 16 2018 DropBox will no longer be supported on devices running 
> something earlier than OS X 10.9?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gabe
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Re: Crossposted: Issue with installing FLogic and VOCR solved

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
What are these macros for?
/A

> 30 aug. 2017 kl. 10:39 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> 
> Hi good people and sorry for the cross posting, but i thought i’d say this so 
> everyone on the lists where i posted my question can hear it.
> The issue with installing FLogic and VOCR macros are now solved. It turned 
> out to be a both easy and not obvious thing. I had had the check box for 
> letting VO be controled by Apple script enabled all the time and could not 
> fathom why the macros didn’t install. Turned out that i had to uncheck and 
> then check the box for allowing VO to be controled by Apple script again 
> because the Mac i’m working at hadn’t accepted, for lack of a better word, 
> the setting. So if you have enabled the check box for allowing Voiceover to 
> be controled by apple scripts on a Mac you’ve owned earlier and then change 
> machines but keep the VO settings, make certain you uncheck and then check 
> the box for allowing VO to be controled by Apple scripts again. Upon this you 
> will get a prompt for your account password, fill it in and ok the dialog and 
> you should be good to go.
> Thanks all for the help in this matter.
> /Krister
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Re: Looking for a Spanish/English dictionary app for my iPhone

[Daniela Rubio]

I always use word reference.com for many languages. It is easy and they take 
their data from very good dictionaries.

They have a payed app, but the web does the trick perfectly. The app is not so 
nice.

Hope it helps.

Daniela

> El 30 ago 2017, a las 19:02, Michael Busboom  escribió:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I regularly use a very good English/German dictionary app for my iPhone and 
> am wondering if there is a good Spanish/English dictionary app that is 
> accessible and thorough.
> 
> If there isn’t an app, is there a good web-based alternative that I could use?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Mike
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Getting Radio Streams Recognized in iTunes

[Bill Gallik]

On my iPhone, using ooTunes, it was relatively simple to search for various 
streaming radio stations and add them to your favorites.

How does one do this with iTunes on a Mac OS system?

I enjoy listening to “old time radio” and have found several sites that provide 
this genre and would like to include that list from my iPhone in iTunes on my 
Mac mini.  I would appreciate any tips anybody on this list might offer.


- Bill from Wisconsin
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- US Editor and Satirist, H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)


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Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Scott Granados]

Hi Kawal, I suspect it will be relatively easy you have some deviation ability 
in the pointing of the camera.

Also,
>  They could do a beeping deal like lining up a card in the viewer.


> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face 
> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone at 
> one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
>> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics 
>> out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really 
>> come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can 
>> happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that 
>> have likely been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because 
>> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations 
>> where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, 
>> all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house 
>> I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a 
>> background check.   So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there 
>> in various clouds doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that 
>> put facial recognition in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do 
>> now.  All technology has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to 
>> do our own do diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, 
>> there’s so much conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some 
>> real conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em 
>> coming.
>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
>>> Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
>>> Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
>>> that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
>>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
>>> will be.
>>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
>>> Trek. Don't @ me.
>>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
>>> be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
>>> There are few things more personal than a face.
>>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
>>> window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
>>> memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
>>> for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
>>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
>>> which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
>>> 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
>>> RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
>>> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
>>> be the preeminent key to your digital life.
>>> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
>>> what's the deal with avocado toast?
>>> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
>>> of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
>>> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
>>> describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
>>> as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
>>> appear anywhere in this article.
>>> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
>>> scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
>>> to making digital purchases.
>>> And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
>>> Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
>>> parties because that's their business model, right?
>>> This question is never addressed.
>>> Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
>>> pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
>>> same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
>>> who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
>>> "Once the always-on device gathers information, it may be available to many
>>> kinds of people, contrary to the user's intentions," Schwartz said.
>>> "These include external data t

Re: Looking for a Spanish/English dictionary app for my iPhone

[Michael Busboom]

Hello, Sarai,

Thank you for getting back to me.  I just checked the company out in the App 
store, and it would appear that they would have what I need. I am wondering if 
they really give you verb conjugations.

Have you yourself ever evaluated any of their dictionaries for accessibility?  
The in-app purchases are a little pricy, but if they are accessible and have 
verb conjugations, then they are well worth it.

Thanks so much, Sarai,

Mike

> On 30 Aug 2017, at 19:41, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> Try Ultralingua They have all kinds of dictionaries.
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Busboom
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:03 PM
> To: 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Looking for a Spanish/English dictionary app for my iPhone
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I regularly use a very good English/German dictionary app for my iPhone and 
> am wondering if there is a good Spanish/English dictionary app that is 
> accessible and thorough.
> 
> If there isn’t an app, is there a good web-based alternative that I could use?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Mike
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