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Re: mac os server and remote desk top

2017-11-09 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

Yes, I do lots via the Terminal as well, but Simon was mentioning that he 
wasn't comfortable working in the Terminal, hence, alternative GUI methods.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 9, 2017, at 21:39, sandi sørensen  wrote:

Use ssh, and terminal, also known as Bash.
It is a little geeky to set up, but i promise you once done you can do 10 
different things at  the same time


SandieSent from my iPad

On 10 Nov 2017, at 05.15, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

> Hi Simon,
> 
> If they both get upgraded to High Sierra, then you'd still be fine.  With 
> respect to the VPN, if you have DNS set up on the Sierra server, then enable 
> Open Directory on the Sierra server.  Once OD is enabled, create a network 
> user with "Services Only" privileges.  Use this network user as the user to 
> connect to the VPN.  I've found that local user credentials don't work well 
> with the VPN initial access.  The DNS on the server should point to itself as 
> well as your router.  As long as the server can access the internet, then 
> anything connected through its VPN service can do so as well.
> 
> With respect to ARD, sorry, no joy there either.  VO will not pass through 
> the sound.  You can control VO as long as VO is off on your machine, but you 
> won't hear anything unless you're sitting right beside it.  For connecting to 
> the server, you could connect via AFP or smb through the VPN and have access 
> to most things you'd need access to.
> 
> That's how I handle it anyway.  Well, that and Terminal.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 9, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
>  
> Yeah one Idea and yes the two devices are currently both running sierra but 
> that will get updated soonish.
>  
> I would prefer to be able to also access files / folder structures as well as 
> server features, but from an off site location through my vpn which is being 
> bloody difficult with setup and I can’t see which part is the issue.
>  
> I was wondering about ARD apple Remote Desktop on the server and if using 
> that to connect to the client will give me vo through the connection 
>  Terminal isn’t currently an option as my linux skills are sadly not great.
>  
> I’ll keep playing and see what I can do . 
>  
> Cheers.
>  
> SF
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2017 6:48 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: mac os server and remote desk top
>  
> Simon,
>  
> If you're MacBook is running the same MacOS as the Server, and all you're 
> wanting to do is manage the Server settings, then you don't need to do 
> anything special   Just install the Server app onto your MacBook, open it, 
> press cmd-n to open a new connection, select Other from the table, then enter 
> the IP of your router.  You will have first needed to set up a forwarder that 
> will forward requests that come to the router for Server Admin tasks to be 
> forwarded to your Server internal IP.  With all that set up, you can manage 
> the server using the app on a different Mac.  The limitations happen when 
> you're using a different version of the Server app on each machine these 
> won't properly talk to each other.  I just have a drive with multiple MacOS's 
> on it with multiple versions of Server app.  So, when I want to manage an el 
> Capitan server installation, I use the 10.11.6 installation and so on for 
> Sierra etc.
>  
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
>  
> On Nov 8, 2017, at 00:18, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Hi List,
>  
> I’ve got a mac mini running sierra server which I’m setting up for a number 
> of different things.
>  
> One of which is VPN which is done but still not yet working.
>  
> The other is Remote Desktop which I’d like to be able to do from my MBA
>  
> Now on the server I have the screen sharing, remote log in and remote 
> management all enabled and from within my network at home I can VNC on to the 
> server fine.
>  
> But as Voiceover is not available to me through the VNC connection if on a 
> say mac book to mac book
> But Voiceover is meant to be available from Mac OS Server to the remote 
> connection,
>  
> Yet I can’t figure how to get this working,
> Is anyone able to advise on how voiceover can be setup to work through the 
> server to MBA remote connection.
>  
> Any help would be appreciated.
>  
>  
>  
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It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

2017-11-09 Thread M. Taylor

Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
fast on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
the carrier-branded models.

I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
is not yet available in the US.

Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)

I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
protector.   

I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
plus so no added expense, there.

I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  

As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  

Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
I'm feeling chatty (smile).

Until Next Time,

Mark

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Re: mac os server and remote desk top

2017-11-09 Thread sandi sørensen

Use ssh, and terminal, also known as Bash.
It is a little geeky to set up, but i promise you once done you can do 10 
different things at  the same time


SandieSent from my iPad

> On 10 Nov 2017, at 05.15, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> If they both get upgraded to High Sierra, then you'd still be fine.  With 
> respect to the VPN, if you have DNS set up on the Sierra server, then enable 
> Open Directory on the Sierra server.  Once OD is enabled, create a network 
> user with "Services Only" privileges.  Use this network user as the user to 
> connect to the VPN.  I've found that local user credentials don't work well 
> with the VPN initial access.  The DNS on the server should point to itself as 
> well as your router.  As long as the server can access the internet, then 
> anything connected through its VPN service can do so as well.
> 
> With respect to ARD, sorry, no joy there either.  VO will not pass through 
> the sound.  You can control VO as long as VO is off on your machine, but you 
> won't hear anything unless you're sitting right beside it.  For connecting to 
> the server, you could connect via AFP or smb through the VPN and have access 
> to most things you'd need access to.
> 
> That's how I handle it anyway.  Well, that and Terminal.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 9, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
>  
> Yeah one Idea and yes the two devices are currently both running sierra but 
> that will get updated soonish.
>  
> I would prefer to be able to also access files / folder structures as well as 
> server features, but from an off site location through my vpn which is being 
> bloody difficult with setup and I can’t see which part is the issue.
>  
> I was wondering about ARD apple Remote Desktop on the server and if using 
> that to connect to the client will give me vo through the connection 
>  Terminal isn’t currently an option as my linux skills are sadly not great.
>  
> I’ll keep playing and see what I can do . 
>  
> Cheers.
>  
> SF
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2017 6:48 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac os server and remote desk top
>  
> Simon,
>  
> If you're MacBook is running the same MacOS as the Server, and all you're 
> wanting to do is manage the Server settings, then you don't need to do 
> anything special   Just install the Server app onto your MacBook, open it, 
> press cmd-n to open a new connection, select Other from the table, then enter 
> the IP of your router.  You will have first needed to set up a forwarder that 
> will forward requests that come to the router for Server Admin tasks to be 
> forwarded to your Server internal IP.  With all that set up, you can manage 
> the server using the app on a different Mac.  The limitations happen when 
> you're using a different version of the Server app on each machine these 
> won't properly talk to each other.  I just have a drive with multiple MacOS's 
> on it with multiple versions of Server app.  So, when I want to manage an el 
> Capitan server installation, I use the 10.11.6 installation and so on for 
> Sierra etc.
>  
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
>  
> On Nov 8, 2017, at 00:18, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>  
> Hi List,
>  
> I’ve got a mac mini running sierra server which I’m setting up for a number 
> of different things.
>  
> One of which is VPN which is done but still not yet working.
>  
> The other is Remote Desktop which I’d like to be able to do from my MBA
>  
> Now on the server I have the screen sharing, remote log in and remote 
> management all enabled and from within my network at home I can VNC on to the 
> server fine.
>  
> But as Voiceover is not available to me through the VNC connection if on a 
> say mac book to mac book
> But Voiceover is meant to be available from Mac OS Server to the remote 
> connection,
>  
> Yet I can’t figure how to get this working,
> Is anyone able to advise on how voiceover can be setup to work through the 
> server to MBA remote connection.
>  
> Any help would be appreciated.
>  
>  
>  
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Re: mac os server and remote desk top

2017-11-09 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi Simon,

If they both get upgraded to High Sierra, then you'd still be fine.  With 
respect to the VPN, if you have DNS set up on the Sierra server, then enable 
Open Directory on the Sierra server.  Once OD is enabled, create a network user 
with "Services Only" privileges.  Use this network user as the user to connect 
to the VPN.  I've found that local user credentials don't work well with the 
VPN initial access.  The DNS on the server should point to itself as well as 
your router.  As long as the server can access the internet, then anything 
connected through its VPN service can do so as well.

With respect to ARD, sorry, no joy there either.  VO will not pass through the 
sound.  You can control VO as long as VO is off on your machine, but you won't 
hear anything unless you're sitting right beside it.  For connecting to the 
server, you could connect via AFP or smb through the VPN and have access to 
most things you'd need access to.

That's how I handle it anyway.  Well, that and Terminal.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 9, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Tim,
 
Yeah one Idea and yes the two devices are currently both running sierra but 
that will get updated soonish.
 
I would prefer to be able to also access files / folder structures as well as 
server features, but from an off site location through my vpn which is being 
bloody difficult with setup and I can’t see which part is the issue.
 
I was wondering about ARD apple Remote Desktop on the server and if using that 
to connect to the client will give me vo through the connection 
 Terminal isn’t currently an option as my linux skills are sadly not great.
 
I’ll keep playing and see what I can do . 
 
Cheers.
 
SF
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2017 6:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac os server and remote desk top
 
Simon,
 
If you're MacBook is running the same MacOS as the Server, and all you're 
wanting to do is manage the Server settings, then you don't need to do anything 
special   Just install the Server app onto your MacBook, open it, press cmd-n 
to open a new connection, select Other from the table, then enter the IP of 
your router.  You will have first needed to set up a forwarder that will 
forward requests that come to the router for Server Admin tasks to be forwarded 
to your Server internal IP.  With all that set up, you can manage the server 
using the app on a different Mac.  The limitations happen when you're using a 
different version of the Server app on each machine these won't properly talk 
to each other.  I just have a drive with multiple MacOS's on it with multiple 
versions of Server app.  So, when I want to manage an el Capitan server 
installation, I use the 10.11.6 installation and so on for Sierra etc.
 
Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
 
On Nov 8, 2017, at 00:18, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 
Hi List,
 
I’ve got a mac mini running sierra server which I’m setting up for a number of 
different things.
 
One of which is VPN which is done but still not yet working.
 
The other is Remote Desktop which I’d like to be able to do from my MBA
 
Now on the server I have the screen sharing, remote log in and remote 
management all enabled and from within my network at home I can VNC on to the 
server fine.
 
But as Voiceover is not available to me through the VNC connection if on a say 
mac book to mac book
But Voiceover is meant to be available from Mac OS Server to the remote 
connection,
 
Yet I can’t figure how to get this working,
Is anyone able to advise on how voiceover can be setup to work through the 
server to MBA remote connection.
 
Any help would be appreciated.
 
 
 
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RE: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping

2017-11-09 Thread Simon Fogarty

Hi ET,

That's a change, 
Normally I'm in the Brown, more commonly known as shit!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Friday, 10 November 2017 12:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping

Simon you are for sure in the red. Not good! (smiles)

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/9/2017 3:39 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Oh, That makes Sence.
> 
>   In my case currently that's everyday.
>   Both cards currently maxed out.
>   And still my phone hasn't arrived.
> 
> Oh well,
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2017 3:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on 
> holiday shopping
> 
> Simon,
>  Black Friday is a marketing gimmick to get people to part with their 
> money. If you have done accounting, black indicates positive dollar amounts, 
> red means negative. So the storee are in the black and the shippers are in 
> the red meaning they went over budget and maxxed out their credit cards.
> 
>   From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/7/2017 11:13 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hi Mark and others,
>>
>>Please tell me
>> Other than a Friday the 13th
>> What the heck is Black Friday?
>>
>>We have black Fridays when I'ts a 13th of the month on a Friday but this 
>> isn't a big shopping sales day or holiday.
>>
>> What the heck is this one you guys have?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 7:49 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday 
>> shopping
>>
>> Best apps to save you money over Black Friday and beyond Marc 
>> Saltzman
>> Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in one place, along with a 
>> smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and more. (Photo: Flipp) We 
>> all have that friend who always seems to get the best deals while shopping.
>> Oh, you know the one. You spend $100 on designer jeans and they seem to find 
>> the exact same pair for $60. Their 4KTV is bigger, thinner, and smarter yet 
>> you paid the same amount. And they remind you of this fact. All the time.
>> Well, perhaps it's because they're using apps that can save money while 
>> shopping online or at retail. It's about time you got in the game. As we 
>> approach Black Friday and Cyber Monday, here's a look at some recommended 
>> deal-sniffing downloads for your iOS or Android smartphone or tablet. More:
>> Black Friday 2017: What to buy, what to skip More: The best Black Friday 
>> deals you can get right now More: 4 Black Friday facts retailers don't want 
>> you to know Ebates: Earn cash back on all your online purchases with this 
>> popular app. More than 2,500 stores and marketplaces are supported. (Photo:
>> Ebates) The premise is simple: shop where you already like to shop, but get 
>> cash back after your purchases, whether you opt to pay by check or a PayPal 
>> deposit. Be aware the percentage varies depending on the online retailer or 
>> marketplace, and there are more than 2,000 to choose from, including Amazon, 
>> Walmart, Macy's, Target, eBay, Kohl's, Best Buy, American Eagle, Old Navy, 
>> and Groupon, to name a few. The app will also notify you of sales and 
>> special offers, and there are in-store coupons and promo codes, too. As 
>> added incentive for signing up for a free Ebates account, you'll get a $10 
>> bonus when you make your first purchase, plus you'll earn $50 if you invite 
>> two friends to join. Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in 
>> one place, along with a smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and 
>> more. (Photo: Flipp) Another "must have" mobile companion, Flipp aggregates 
>> all your local circulars (flyers) in one place now with more than 1,000 
>> popular retailers whether you want to browse through weekly ads or search 
>> for something specific by keyword. When you land on a product you've had 
>> your eye on, Flipp looks to match the deal with coupons, to save even more 
>> cash. Whether you're buying tech over Black Friday or food to cook over the 
>> holidays, the app also features a "discount slider," so you can se

RE: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread Simon Fogarty

Have you looked at your VO settings to see if things there are set to miss edit 
fields.

Possibly it's a vo utility causing the problems 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Friday, 10 November 2017 4:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

Hi,

I don't use QuickNav much, if at all, and still find similar frustrations as 
Christine, albeit, not to the same degree.  I've found that VO jumps to the 
beginning sometimes when I stop to think between typing.  the best thing I've 
found is to just not use VO navigation when composing eMails, that is, just 
arrow navigation.  Option-right/left navigates word by word, up/down goes line 
by line and right/left goes character by character.  Works for now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 9, 2017, at 08:30, Christine Grassman  wrote:

I absolutely cannot edit in email, though I can edit fine in Text Edit or 
Pages. The cursor is never where it is supposed to be. I try to backspace or 
fix a typo, and I am never where I wish to be. Even if I interact and VoiceOver 
reads word by word, I am never on, or even before or after, the word being 
spoken. This is phenomenally frustrating, as I am constantly deleting the 
entire contents, writing emails elsewhere, thencutting and pasting. One think 
of note that might be relevant is that when I erase the entire contents, and am 
in the edit field, VoiceOver says “Empty Group” which I have never heard before 
in this context.
Christine

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RE: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

2017-11-09 Thread Simon Fogarty

Hi Erik,

Yeah very interesting,
I would be surprised if you couldn’t get one, I thought I saw something say 
they would ship to me in NZ so I’d be surprised if not to Canada
But hey you never know.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Erik Burggraaf
Sent: Friday, 10 November 2017 2:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone


I don't have this keyboard myself, only because I can't buy from 
amazon.com anymore. I'm not sure why most of us need to iOS 
devices.  One is enough for me. Regardless, I have been interested in how this 
keyboard determines its pairings. As far as I'm concerned, Bluetooth is 
Bluetooth is Bluetooth. If you were going to go to the trouble to make a 3 in 1 
Bluetooth connection for a keyboard, you wouldn't restricted by device would 
you? I've also wondered what would happen if you tried to pair the keyboard up 
with a Mac. The spec is very specific that it's Windows, IOS, and Android. 
There's no reason why it shouldn't connect up to a Mac just fine, but what 
would actually happen if you tried it?

I actually have one of each, iOS, Android, and Windows devices. So, this is 
actually the perfect keyboard for me. If anyone is planning to buy, I would be 
interested in PayPal and someone the money, getting them to order me one, and 
ship it to Canada.

On November 9, 2017 4:41:22 AM Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi erik,

Is this iClever keyboard able to connect to more than one IOS device?
 I’I’d rather connect to a couple of IOS devices rather than windows android 
and ios at one time.

But it reads well in the reviews

Sent from my iPad

On 8/11/2017, at 8:30 AM, Erik Burggraaf 
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:
Hi Donna,

This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to 
amazon.com.
http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8

It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, and 
one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.

Enjoyu,

Erik


On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I loved 
it. I’d be looking for something like that something small and portable. Does 
anyone have any recommendations?
Thanks,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

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Recording streaming audio?

2017-11-09 Thread Cameron Strife

Hi. Can anybody recommend a free utility I can use on the mac to
record streaming audio? I have a handy utility in windows land for
this but they don't have a version for mac OSX yet.

I don't want anything fancy;I just want to record to an mp3 file.

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RE: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping

2017-11-09 Thread Simon Fogarty

Sounds like  our boxing day, the day after Xmas,

 All the shops go crazy with boxing day sales that last a week long.
 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: Friday, 10 November 2017 2:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping

Hi Simon,

Its know as the biggest shopping day of the year or at least thats what they 
claim!
Its the day after Thanks giving to GOD" DAY and most people in the UsA have the 
day off and are recovering from to much Turkey! :) The stores claim they make 
there "Nut" for the year on that day!
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Hi Mark and others,
> 
> Please tell me
> Other than a Friday the 13th
> What the heck is Black Friday?
> 
> We have black Fridays when I'ts a 13th of the month on a Friday but this 
> isn't a big shopping sales day or holiday.
> 
> What the heck is this one you guys have?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 7:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday 
> shopping
> 
> Best apps to save you money over Black Friday and beyond Marc Saltzman
> Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in one place, along with a 
> smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and more. (Photo: Flipp) We 
> all have that friend who always seems to get the best deals while shopping.
> Oh, you know the one. You spend $100 on designer jeans and they seem to find 
> the exact same pair for $60. Their 4KTV is bigger, thinner, and smarter yet 
> you paid the same amount. And they remind you of this fact. All the time.
> Well, perhaps it's because they're using apps that can save money while 
> shopping online or at retail. It's about time you got in the game. As we 
> approach Black Friday and Cyber Monday, here's a look at some recommended 
> deal-sniffing downloads for your iOS or Android smartphone or tablet. More:
> Black Friday 2017: What to buy, what to skip More: The best Black Friday 
> deals you can get right now More: 4 Black Friday facts retailers don't want 
> you to know Ebates: Earn cash back on all your online purchases with this 
> popular app. More than 2,500 stores and marketplaces are supported. (Photo:
> Ebates) The premise is simple: shop where you already like to shop, but get 
> cash back after your purchases, whether you opt to pay by check or a PayPal 
> deposit. Be aware the percentage varies depending on the online retailer or 
> marketplace, and there are more than 2,000 to choose from, including Amazon, 
> Walmart, Macy's, Target, eBay, Kohl's, Best Buy, American Eagle, Old Navy, 
> and Groupon, to name a few. The app will also notify you of sales and special 
> offers, and there are in-store coupons and promo codes, too. As added 
> incentive for signing up for a free Ebates account, you'll get a $10 bonus 
> when you make your first purchase, plus you'll earn $50 if you invite two 
> friends to join. Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in one 
> place, along with a smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and 
> more. (Photo: Flipp) Another "must have" mobile companion, Flipp aggregates 
> all your local circulars (flyers) in one place now with more than 1,000 
> popular retailers whether you want to browse through weekly ads or search for 
> something specific by keyword. When you land on a product you've had your eye 
> on, Flipp looks to match the deal with coupons, to save even more cash. 
> Whether you're buying tech over Black Friday or food to cook over the 
> holidays, the app also features a "discount slider," so you can select how 
> much of a deal you want, such as only showing you items discounted by 40% or 
> greater. My favorite feature is a "smart" shopping list, that automatically 
> lists nearby retailers with the best deals, based on what on your list.
> Flipp also holds all your store loyalty cards in one place, so you can 
> show the app at checkout, plus there's support for rebates, too. 
> Updated this week, Shopkick rewards you with free gift cards for 
> stores like Target, Walmart, Amazon, Sephora, Starbucks, and more. To 
> get going, open the Shopkick app while you're at the mall, and you'll 
> start to earn points
> ("kicks") for simply walking into select stores, scanning products (like a 
> retail scavenger hunt), and purchasing products (submit your receipt as 
> proof). You can also open the Shopkick app when you're lounging at home, as 
> you can receive kicks for virtually "visiting" a store or making an online 
> purchase. All the kicks you earn could be redeemed for gift cards or products 
> (from about 20 to choose fr

Re: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping

2017-11-09 Thread E.T.


   Simon you are for sure in the red. Not good! (smiles)

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/9/2017 3:39 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Oh, That makes Sence.

  In my case currently that's everyday.
  Both cards currently maxed out.
  And still my phone hasn't arrived.

Oh well,

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2017 3:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping

Simon,
 Black Friday is a marketing gimmick to get people to part with their 
money. If you have done accounting, black indicates positive dollar amounts, 
red means negative. So the storee are in the black and the shippers are in the 
red meaning they went over budget and maxxed out their credit cards.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/7/2017 11:13 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Mark and others,

   Please tell me
Other than a Friday the 13th
What the heck is Black Friday?

   We have black Fridays when I'ts a 13th of the month on a Friday but this 
isn't a big shopping sales day or holiday.

What the heck is this one you guys have?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 7:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday
shopping

Best apps to save you money over Black Friday and beyond Marc Saltzman
Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in one place, along with a 
smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and more. (Photo: Flipp) We 
all have that friend who always seems to get the best deals while shopping.
Oh, you know the one. You spend $100 on designer jeans and they seem to find 
the exact same pair for $60. Their 4KTV is bigger, thinner, and smarter yet you 
paid the same amount. And they remind you of this fact. All the time.
Well, perhaps it's because they're using apps that can save money while 
shopping online or at retail. It's about time you got in the game. As we 
approach Black Friday and Cyber Monday, here's a look at some recommended 
deal-sniffing downloads for your iOS or Android smartphone or tablet. More:
Black Friday 2017: What to buy, what to skip More: The best Black Friday deals 
you can get right now More: 4 Black Friday facts retailers don't want you to 
know Ebates: Earn cash back on all your online purchases with this popular app. 
More than 2,500 stores and marketplaces are supported. (Photo:
Ebates) The premise is simple: shop where you already like to shop, but get cash back after your purchases, 
whether you opt to pay by check or a PayPal deposit. Be aware the percentage varies depending on the online 
retailer or marketplace, and there are more than 2,000 to choose from, including Amazon, Walmart, Macy's, 
Target, eBay, Kohl's, Best Buy, American Eagle, Old Navy, and Groupon, to name a few. The app will also 
notify you of sales and special offers, and there are in-store coupons and promo codes, too. As added 
incentive for signing up for a free Ebates account, you'll get a $10 bonus when you make your first purchase, 
plus you'll earn $50 if you invite two friends to join. Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in 
one place, along with a smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and more. (Photo: Flipp) Another 
"must have" mobile companion, Flipp aggregates all your local circulars (flyers) in one place now 
with more than 1,000 popular retailers whether you want to browse through weekly ads or search for something 
specific by keyword. When you land on a product you've had your eye on, Flipp looks to match the deal with 
coupons, to save even more cash. Whether you're buying tech over Black Friday or food to cook over the 
holidays, the app also features a "discount slider," so you can select how much of a deal you want, 
such as only showing you items discounted by 40% or greater. My favorite feature is a "smart" 
shopping list, that automatically lists nearby retailers with the best deals, based on what on your list.
Flipp also holds all your store loyalty cards in one place, so you can
show the app at checkout, plus there's support for rebates, too.
Updated this week, Shopkick rewards you with free gift cards for
stores like Target, Walmart, Amazon, Sephora, Starbucks, and more. To
get going, open the Shopkick app while you're at the mall, and you'll
start to earn p

RE: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping

2017-11-09 Thread Simon Fogarty

Ok, 
So it's just another Friday?

 I still don't understand why it's called black Friday, 
 At least our black Fridays are a Friday the 13th.

But I can't say I've ever bumped in to Jason!

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 9:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping

Hi it’s the Friday after Thanksgiving celebrated in the United States.


> On 8 Nov 2017, at 07:13, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark and others,
> 
> Please tell me
> Other than a Friday the 13th
> What the heck is Black Friday?
> 
> We have black Fridays when I'ts a 13th of the month on a Friday but this 
> isn't a big shopping sales day or holiday.
> 
> What the heck is this one you guys have?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 7:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday 
> shopping
> 
> Best apps to save you money over Black Friday and beyond Marc Saltzman
> Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in one place, along with a 
> smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and more. (Photo: Flipp) We 
> all have that friend who always seems to get the best deals while shopping.
> Oh, you know the one. You spend $100 on designer jeans and they seem to find 
> the exact same pair for $60. Their 4KTV is bigger, thinner, and smarter yet 
> you paid the same amount. And they remind you of this fact. All the time.
> Well, perhaps it's because they're using apps that can save money while 
> shopping online or at retail. It's about time you got in the game. As we 
> approach Black Friday and Cyber Monday, here's a look at some recommended 
> deal-sniffing downloads for your iOS or Android smartphone or tablet. More:
> Black Friday 2017: What to buy, what to skip More: The best Black Friday 
> deals you can get right now More: 4 Black Friday facts retailers don't want 
> you to know Ebates: Earn cash back on all your online purchases with this 
> popular app. More than 2,500 stores and marketplaces are supported. (Photo:
> Ebates) The premise is simple: shop where you already like to shop, but get 
> cash back after your purchases, whether you opt to pay by check or a PayPal 
> deposit. Be aware the percentage varies depending on the online retailer or 
> marketplace, and there are more than 2,000 to choose from, including Amazon, 
> Walmart, Macy's, Target, eBay, Kohl's, Best Buy, American Eagle, Old Navy, 
> and Groupon, to name a few. The app will also notify you of sales and special 
> offers, and there are in-store coupons and promo codes, too. As added 
> incentive for signing up for a free Ebates account, you'll get a $10 bonus 
> when you make your first purchase, plus you'll earn $50 if you invite two 
> friends to join. Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in one 
> place, along with a smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and 
> more. (Photo: Flipp) Another "must have" mobile companion, Flipp aggregates 
> all your local circulars (flyers) in one place now with more than 1,000 
> popular retailers whether you want to browse through weekly ads or search for 
> something specific by keyword. When you land on a product you've had your eye 
> on, Flipp looks to match the deal with coupons, to save even more cash. 
> Whether you're buying tech over Black Friday or food to cook over the 
> holidays, the app also features a "discount slider," so you can select how 
> much of a deal you want, such as only showing you items discounted by 40% or 
> greater. My favorite feature is a "smart" shopping list, that automatically 
> lists nearby retailers with the best deals, based on what on your list.
> Flipp also holds all your store loyalty cards in one place, so you can 
> show the app at checkout, plus there's support for rebates, too. 
> Updated this week, Shopkick rewards you with free gift cards for 
> stores like Target, Walmart, Amazon, Sephora, Starbucks, and more. To 
> get going, open the Shopkick app while you're at the mall, and you'll 
> start to earn points
> ("kicks") for simply walking into select stores, scanning products (like a 
> retail scavenger hunt), and purchasing products (submit your receipt as 
> proof). You can also open the Shopkick app when you're lounging at home, as 
> you can receive kicks for virtually "visiting" a store or making an online 
> purchase. All the kicks you earn could be redeemed for gift cards or products 
> (from about 20 to choose from), or you can donate your kicks to charity. 
> Rather than scouring the web for the best deals, DealNews has an "obsessive" 
> team of deal experts that looks for the best prices on the biggest brands, 
>

RE: Apple TV and iTunes Library

2017-11-09 Thread Simon Fogarty

Yeah I understand,

 I got a 4K tv at the start of this year only because the high def non 4k 
version   was 20 dollars cheaper and didn't see the point of going backwards 
for only 20 bucks.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2017 3:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV and iTunes Library

Hi Simon,
I guess its all in the eye of the beholder. My new TV will not be 4k. just 
outdated 1080p. (smiles)

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/7/2017 10:46 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Hi ET,
> 
>   I have to admit I still or did on my gen 4 use the older of the remotes as 
> it was / is easier to use / navogate  around with it.
>   I personally think the gen 4 is the nicer device, and hey, I'm watching it 
> and I'm blind, why does 4 K display matter,
>   The sound still comes through the same sonos play  speakers.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 4:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple TV and iTunes Library
> 
> Simon,
>  Guess I will keep my ATV 3rd and enjoy my content that is now there.
> Restored the iTunes backup, did nothing any different than before.
> 
>   From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/7/2017 1:00 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> I’ve just recently got the apple tv4k and I gotta admit I’m not a fan 
>> of it’s interfaces.
>>
>> It seems to be slower than the aTV 4gen
>>
>> But IOS 11 seems to be really screwy
>>
>> It doesn’t like moving between contents within apps, and It seems to 
>> want me to double click on things rather than the old single click on 
>> a show for streaming.
>>
>> As for accessing my content it definitely is slower but that may be 
>> server related.
>>
>> *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *David 
>> Griffith
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 November 2017 11:48 AM
>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Apple TV and iTunes Library
>>
>> I have no experience of using the Apple TV but I do experience from 
>> time to time a curious lag in iTunes syching and communicating  
>> across devices. For example my Windows machine and my Mac.
>>
>> Generally this gets resolves after time but it may take a day for the 
>> machines to catch upwith each other. I have speculated that this slow 
>> response may be a symptom of the Apple Servers struggling.
>>
>> Maybe 24 hours will sort it.
>>
>> David Griffitgh
>>
>> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
>> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
>> My Blind hammer Blog
>> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
>>
>> *From: *E.T. 
>> *Sent: *06 November 2017 16:12
>> *To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> *Subject: *Re: Apple TV and iTunes Library
>>
>>       Holding the option key while opening iTunes was my first step.
>> Also
>>
>> went into preferences to select the new location. The library is
>>
>> available on the Mac but the ATV does not see it. Unplugged the box,
>>
>> still not working.
>>
>>   From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>
>>      "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>
>>      mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>
>>      our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>
>>      and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>
>> On 11/6/2017 3:14 AM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
>>
>>> My own solution was a little different.  Rather than merely changing 
>>> iTunes to the new location from the old, I pressed the CMD key when 
>>> launching iTunes.  This forced iTunes to ask me for a library 
>>> location.  I pointed  the location path to my external USB drive and 
>>> I made sure it took
>> which it did.  One important note to bear in mind.  When setting up 
>> your location you want to work it so that the path is exactly like 
>> what you see below.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>     External Drive (equals the actual name of your external drive) sub 
>>> folder path if any and finally, the actual folder named “iTunes”  To give 
>>> you the path example I myself am using:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> External Data/External Music/iTunes
>>
>>>
>>
>>> HTh.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>> blind:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Sincer

RE: mac os server and remote desk top

2017-11-09 Thread Simon Fogarty

Hi Tim,

Yeah one Idea and yes the two devices are currently both running sierra but 
that will get updated soonish.

I would prefer to be able to also access files / folder structures as well as 
server features, but from an off site location through my vpn which is being 
bloody difficult with setup and I can’t see which part is the issue.

I was wondering about ARD apple Remote Desktop on the server and if using that 
to connect to the client will give me vo through the connection
 Terminal isn’t currently an option as my linux skills are sadly not great.

I’ll keep playing and see what I can do .

Cheers.

SF
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2017 6:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac os server and remote desk top

Simon,

If you're MacBook is running the same MacOS as the Server, and all you're 
wanting to do is manage the Server settings, then you don't need to do anything 
special   Just install the Server app onto your MacBook, open it, press cmd-n 
to open a new connection, select Other from the table, then enter the IP of 
your router.  You will have first needed to set up a forwarder that will 
forward requests that come to the router for Server Admin tasks to be forwarded 
to your Server internal IP.  With all that set up, you can manage the server 
using the app on a different Mac.  The limitations happen when you're using a 
different version of the Server app on each machine these won't properly talk 
to each other.  I just have a drive with multiple MacOS's on it with multiple 
versions of Server app.  So, when I want to manage an el Capitan server 
installation, I use the 10.11.6 installation and so on for Sierra etc.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 8, 2017, at 00:18, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

I’ve got a mac mini running sierra server which I’m setting up for a number of 
different things.

One of which is VPN which is done but still not yet working.

The other is Remote Desktop which I’d like to be able to do from my MBA

Now on the server I have the screen sharing, remote log in and remote 
management all enabled and from within my network at home I can VNC on to the 
server fine.

But as Voiceover is not available to me through the VNC connection if on a say 
mac book to mac book
But Voiceover is meant to be available from Mac OS Server to the remote 
connection,

Yet I can’t figure how to get this working,
Is anyone able to advise on how voiceover can be setup to work through the 
server to MBA remote connection.

Any help would be appreciated.



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RE: changing the rota on a mac mini without a touch pad.

2017-11-09 Thread Simon Fogarty

Cheers for that, I'll give it a go.

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On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2017 1:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: changing the rota on a mac mini without a touch pad.

I'm not E.T. but try these.

* Navigate to the word in question, or filename, or whatever it is, and press 
vo-w twice quickly to spell what's under the VO cursor.
* Navigate to what you want to spell, interact with it, and use vo-shift-right 
(add the cmd key on macOS 10.13 and later) to move by character.
* Use vo-cmd-right to get to characters, then vo-cmd-down to move by character. 
This requires 10.13 or later.
* Get VO to say what you want spelled, hit vo-shift-c to copy the words, then 
paste them somewhere you can review them, like a text file or Pages document.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 02:09, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi ET,
> 
> Got a crazy one for you.
> 
> Using my apple wifi keyboard with my mac mini server,
> 
> I get to a name that I can't tell the correct spelling of and need to 
> check character by character,
> 
> But with the keyboard I have no option to change the rota to those options.
> 
> I have no screen connected not that it would help me, And I have no 
> touch pad to make the changes in the rota that way.
> 
> How do I change the rota options with only my wifi keyboard?
> 
> Cheers for any assistance.
> 
> Simon F
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RE: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping

2017-11-09 Thread Simon Fogarty

Oh, That makes Sence.

 In my case currently that's everyday.
 Both cards currently maxed out.
 And still my phone hasn't arrived.

Oh well, 

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On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2017 3:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping

Simon,
Black Friday is a marketing gimmick to get people to part with their money. 
If you have done accounting, black indicates positive dollar amounts, red means 
negative. So the storee are in the black and the shippers are in the red 
meaning they went over budget and maxxed out their credit cards.

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   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 11/7/2017 11:13 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Hi Mark and others,
> 
>   Please tell me
> Other than a Friday the 13th
> What the heck is Black Friday?
> 
>   We have black Fridays when I'ts a 13th of the month on a Friday but this 
> isn't a big shopping sales day or holiday.
> 
> What the heck is this one you guys have?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 7:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday 
> shopping
> 
> Best apps to save you money over Black Friday and beyond Marc Saltzman
> Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in one place, along with a 
> smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and more. (Photo: Flipp) We 
> all have that friend who always seems to get the best deals while shopping.
> Oh, you know the one. You spend $100 on designer jeans and they seem to find 
> the exact same pair for $60. Their 4KTV is bigger, thinner, and smarter yet 
> you paid the same amount. And they remind you of this fact. All the time.
> Well, perhaps it's because they're using apps that can save money while 
> shopping online or at retail. It's about time you got in the game. As we 
> approach Black Friday and Cyber Monday, here's a look at some recommended 
> deal-sniffing downloads for your iOS or Android smartphone or tablet. More:
> Black Friday 2017: What to buy, what to skip More: The best Black Friday 
> deals you can get right now More: 4 Black Friday facts retailers don't want 
> you to know Ebates: Earn cash back on all your online purchases with this 
> popular app. More than 2,500 stores and marketplaces are supported. (Photo:
> Ebates) The premise is simple: shop where you already like to shop, but get 
> cash back after your purchases, whether you opt to pay by check or a PayPal 
> deposit. Be aware the percentage varies depending on the online retailer or 
> marketplace, and there are more than 2,000 to choose from, including Amazon, 
> Walmart, Macy's, Target, eBay, Kohl's, Best Buy, American Eagle, Old Navy, 
> and Groupon, to name a few. The app will also notify you of sales and special 
> offers, and there are in-store coupons and promo codes, too. As added 
> incentive for signing up for a free Ebates account, you'll get a $10 bonus 
> when you make your first purchase, plus you'll earn $50 if you invite two 
> friends to join. Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in one 
> place, along with a smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and 
> more. (Photo: Flipp) Another "must have" mobile companion, Flipp aggregates 
> all your local circulars (flyers) in one place now with more than 1,000 
> popular retailers whether you want to browse through weekly ads or search for 
> something specific by keyword. When you land on a product you've had your eye 
> on, Flipp looks to match the deal with coupons, to save even more cash. 
> Whether you're buying tech over Black Friday or food to cook over the 
> holidays, the app also features a "discount slider," so you can select how 
> much of a deal you want, such as only showing you items discounted by 40% or 
> greater. My favorite feature is a "smart" shopping list, that automatically 
> lists nearby retailers with the best deals, based on what on your list.
> Flipp also holds all your store loyalty cards in one place, so you can 
> show the app at checkout, plus there's support for rebates, too. 
> Updated this week, Shopkick rewards you with free gift cards for 
> stores like Target, Walmart, Amazon, Sephora, Starbucks, and more. To 
> get going, open the Shopkick app while you're at the mall, and you'll 
> start to earn points
> ("kicks") for simply walking into select stores, scanning products (like a 
> retail scavenger hunt), and purchasing products (submit your receipt as 
> proof). You can also open the Shopkick app when you're loung

Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

Not sure why it would have deleted the entire line unless the line of text was 
highlighted.  Normally, on a Mac, when moving from left to right, the cursor 
will land just to the right, or after, the last item read.  Therefore, if you 
pressed the delete key, it would delete the last letter of the last word read.  
The problem happens now, if you are just using arrow navigation, then this rule 
does not always work.  It seems that when using arrow navigation, the cursor 
location within the line is remembered, thus just listening to what VO read 
doesn't necessarily work.  What I've done for now, is use arrow keys until I 
get close then use option-arrow to go word by word.  This lets the cursor 
behaviour work the same as what I'm accustomed to.  Someone else may have 
something to contribute here, but that's my work around for now.  I'd rather 
have not needed to work around anything, but I'd like a lot of things that 
don't happen.

Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 9, 2017, at 15:46, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

I too have the same problems.

What I want to know if I want to delete a word or letter, does the cursor need 
to be on top of the letter that you wish to delete?  I deleted an entire line 
which I didn't want.  I felt like throwing my Mac mini across the room.

Kawal.

> On 9 Nov 2017, at 19:34, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Christine,  
> 
> Not that this will help you now but, this problem has been well documented 
> with Apple developers.  
> 
> Based on my experience with reporting Mail bugs, it can take up to an entire 
> release version in order to resolve these kinds of things.  I'm not saying it 
> will take to next year for this to be fixed but, based only on my personal 
> experience, I wouldn't expect a fix until 10.14 or Mac OS 11.
> 
> This is one of the reasons why I have not updated to High Sierra on my 
> primary Mac Partition.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy
> 
> I absolutely cannot edit in email, though I can edit fine in Text Edit or 
> Pages. The cursor is never where it is supposed to be. I try to backspace or 
> fix a typo, and I am never where I wish to be. Even if I interact and 
> VoiceOver reads word by word, I am never on, or even before or after, the 
> word being spoken. This is phenomenally frustrating, as I am constantly 
> deleting the entire contents, writing emails elsewhere, thencutting and 
> pasting. One think of note that might be relevant is that when I erase the 
> entire contents, and am in the edit field, VoiceOver says “Empty Group” which 
> I have never heard before in this context.
> Christine
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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu

I too have the same problems.

What I want to know if I want to delete a word or letter, does the cursor need 
to be on top of the letter that you wish to delete?  I deleted an entire line 
which I didn't want.  I felt like throwing my Mac mini across the room.

Kawal.

> On 9 Nov 2017, at 19:34, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Christine,  
> 
> Not that this will help you now but, this problem has been well documented 
> with Apple developers.  
> 
> Based on my experience with reporting Mail bugs, it can take up to an entire 
> release version in order to resolve these kinds of things.  I'm not saying it 
> will take to next year for this to be fixed but, based only on my personal 
> experience, I wouldn't expect a fix until 10.14 or Mac OS 11.
> 
> This is one of the reasons why I have not updated to High Sierra on my 
> primary Mac Partition.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy
> 
> I absolutely cannot edit in email, though I can edit fine in Text Edit or 
> Pages. The cursor is never where it is supposed to be. I try to backspace or 
> fix a typo, and I am never where I wish to be. Even if I interact and 
> VoiceOver reads word by word, I am never on, or even before or after, the 
> word being spoken. This is phenomenally frustrating, as I am constantly 
> deleting the entire contents, writing emails elsewhere, thencutting and 
> pasting. One think of note that might be relevant is that when I erase the 
> entire contents, and am in the edit field, VoiceOver says “Empty Group” which 
> I have never heard before in this context.
> Christine
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Re: High Sierra VoiceOver Mouse-Click Bug, Reported, Can You Confirm?

2017-11-09 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
Hmm, intresting.
I haven’t thought about this but when you brought up the problem i tried and 
you are right.
/A

> 9 nov. 2017 kl. 20:40 skrev M. Taylor :
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I have heard that in the latest release of High Sierra, one can no longer
> execute a mouse-click using the VoiceOver key-combination of
> Shift+Control+Option+Space-bar.
> 
> Can someone please confirm this?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
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Re: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping

2017-11-09 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
It seems some other countries doing the exact same thing.
I think we have had this in Sweden too.
/A

> 9 nov. 2017 kl. 14:12 skrev CHUCK REICHEL :
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> Its know as the biggest shopping day of the year or at least thats what they 
> claim!
> Its the day after Thanks giving to GOD" DAY and most people in the UsA have 
> the day off and are recovering from to much Turkey! :)
> The stores claim they make there "Nut" for the year on that day!
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark and others,
>> 
>> Please tell me 
>> Other than a Friday the 13th 
>> What the heck is Black Friday?
>> 
>> We have black Fridays when I'ts a 13th of the month on a Friday but this 
>> isn't a big shopping sales day or holiday.
>> 
>> What the heck is this one you guys have?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 7:49 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping
>> 
>> Best apps to save you money over Black Friday and beyond Marc Saltzman
>> Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in one place, along with a 
>> smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and more. (Photo: Flipp) We 
>> all have that friend who always seems to get the best deals while shopping.
>> Oh, you know the one. You spend $100 on designer jeans and they seem to find 
>> the exact same pair for $60. Their 4KTV is bigger, thinner, and smarter yet 
>> you paid the same amount. And they remind you of this fact. All the time.
>> Well, perhaps it's because they're using apps that can save money while 
>> shopping online or at retail. It's about time you got in the game. As we 
>> approach Black Friday and Cyber Monday, here's a look at some recommended 
>> deal-sniffing downloads for your iOS or Android smartphone or tablet. More:
>> Black Friday 2017: What to buy, what to skip More: The best Black Friday 
>> deals you can get right now More: 4 Black Friday facts retailers don't want 
>> you to know Ebates: Earn cash back on all your online purchases with this 
>> popular app. More than 2,500 stores and marketplaces are supported. (Photo:
>> Ebates) The premise is simple: shop where you already like to shop, but get 
>> cash back after your purchases, whether you opt to pay by check or a PayPal 
>> deposit. Be aware the percentage varies depending on the online retailer or 
>> marketplace, and there are more than 2,000 to choose from, including Amazon, 
>> Walmart, Macy's, Target, eBay, Kohl's, Best Buy, American Eagle, Old Navy, 
>> and Groupon, to name a few. The app will also notify you of sales and 
>> special offers, and there are in-store coupons and promo codes, too. As 
>> added incentive for signing up for a free Ebates account, you'll get a $10 
>> bonus when you make your first purchase, plus you'll earn $50 if you invite 
>> two friends to join. Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in 
>> one place, along with a smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and 
>> more. (Photo: Flipp) Another "must have" mobile companion, Flipp aggregates 
>> all your local circulars (flyers) in one place now with more than 1,000 
>> popular retailers whether you want to browse through weekly ads or search 
>> for something specific by keyword. When you land on a product you've had 
>> your eye on, Flipp looks to match the deal with coupons, to save even more 
>> cash. Whether you're buying tech over Black Friday or food to cook over the 
>> holidays, the app also features a "discount slider," so you can select how 
>> much of a deal you want, such as only showing you items discounted by 40% or 
>> greater. My favorite feature is a "smart" shopping list, that automatically 
>> lists nearby retailers with the best deals, based on what on your list.
>> Flipp also holds all your store loyalty cards in one place, so you can show 
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Re: High Sierra VoiceOver Mouse-Click Bug, Reported, Can You Confirm?

2017-11-09 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

The virtual mouse-click works for me in 10.13.1.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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Hello Everyone,

I have heard that in the latest release of High Sierra, one can no longer
execute a mouse-click using the VoiceOver key-combination of
Shift+Control+Option+Space-bar.

Can someone please confirm this?

Thank you,

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High Sierra VoiceOver Mouse-Click Bug, Reported, Can You Confirm?

2017-11-09 Thread M. Taylor

Hello Everyone,

I have heard that in the latest release of High Sierra, one can no longer
execute a mouse-click using the VoiceOver key-combination of
Shift+Control+Option+Space-bar.

Can someone please confirm this?

Thank you,

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RE: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread M. Taylor

Hello Christine,  

Not that this will help you now but, this problem has been well documented with 
Apple developers.  

Based on my experience with reporting Mail bugs, it can take up to an entire 
release version in order to resolve these kinds of things.  I'm not saying it 
will take to next year for this to be fixed but, based only on my personal 
experience, I wouldn't expect a fix until 10.14 or Mac OS 11.

This is one of the reasons why I have not updated to High Sierra on my primary 
Mac Partition.

Mark

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Subject: Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

I absolutely cannot edit in email, though I can edit fine in Text Edit or 
Pages. The cursor is never where it is supposed to be. I try to backspace or 
fix a typo, and I am never where I wish to be. Even if I interact and VoiceOver 
reads word by word, I am never on, or even before or after, the word being 
spoken. This is phenomenally frustrating, as I am constantly deleting the 
entire contents, writing emails elsewhere, thencutting and pasting. One think 
of note that might be relevant is that when I erase the entire contents, and am 
in the edit field, VoiceOver says “Empty Group” which I have never heard before 
in this context.
Christine

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Re: Recommendation for reliable good quality USB 3.0 Data Transfer Cable for transferring between MacBook and Braille Display

2017-11-09 Thread CHUCK REICHEL

Hi Christine,

I've used https://www.cablewholesale.com/
for my recording studio for many years and they have reliable cables with out 
breaking the bank! :)
I usually call;
CableWholesale; Jesse@925-455-0800 ext. 221
HTH
Chuck
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"Albert Einstein’


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> Hello all. I’ve been burned by purchasing what were supposed to be 
> high-quality adaptors and cables in the past, but don’t want to break the 
> bank. Has anyone had consistent good luck with a particular manufacturer? i 
> am looking for a short cable; all I seem able to find are at least three 
> feet. I don’t want longer than a foot if I can help it, 18 in. at most (no 
> more than, say, 0.5 M for many of our list members).
> TIA.
> Christine
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Recommendation for reliable good quality USB 3.0 Data Transfer Cable for transferring between MacBook and Braille Display

2017-11-09 Thread Christine Grassman

Hello all. I’ve been burned by purchasing what were supposed to be high-quality 
adaptors and cables in the past, but don’t want to break the bank. Has anyone 
had consistent good luck with a particular manufacturer? i am looking for a 
short cable; all I seem able to find are at least three feet. I don’t want 
longer than a foot if I can help it, 18 in. at most (no more than, say, 0.5 M 
for many of our list members).
TIA.
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Re: Navigating headings in Pages

2017-11-09 Thread Devin Prater

Wow, thanks! Works like a charm! This is especially helpful because I can type 
to search within this menu.

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> On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> Hi Devin,
> press VO + u to open the lists, choose Headlines and use this list like in 
> Safari. That’s the only way I found so far to jump to specific headlines.
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
>> Am 09.11.2017 um 16:44 schrieb Devin Prater > >:
>> 
>> Hi all. I have saved a template for lesson plans so I can simply select the 
>> template and fill it out. This template is separate into headings. I’ve 
>> tried using VO+Command+H, adding the shift key to that, but neither navigate 
>> through the headings in the document. Is there a way to do this?
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Re: Navigating headings in Pages

2017-11-09 Thread Jürgen Fleger

Hi Devin,
press VO + u to open the lists, choose Headlines and use this list like in 
Safari. That’s the only way I found so far to jump to specific headlines.
All the best
Jürgen

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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread Christine Grassman

Well, I guess I have no choice but to go with the flow. It is certainly easier 
than composing elsewhere and then cupying and pasting.
Thanks.
Christine


> On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> No, it's not natural for me either.  I often still revert back to VO 
> navigation within the composing area and mess things up.  This arrow 
> navigation is the best I can do for now.  I'm not sure if this is going to be 
> modified, or if this is the new way.  I've heard that there are some fixes 
> coming to Mail navigation, but I'm not exactly sure what aspects of the 
> experience they pertain to.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 9, 2017, at 08:54, Christine Grassman  wrote:
> 
> Okay, I am going to use that method right now for moving about in this 
> message and attempting to change a word. 
> That does seem to work. I will certainly have to work at this; it is not 
> natural for me. :)
> Christine
> 
> P.S. Does anyone know what this mysterious message “empty group” refers to in 
> an empty email?
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I don't use QuickNav much, if at all, and still find similar frustrations as 
>> Christine, albeit, not to the same degree.  I've found that VO jumps to the 
>> beginning sometimes when I stop to think between typing.  the best thing 
>> I've found is to just not use VO navigation when composing eMails, that is, 
>> just arrow navigation.  Option-right/left navigates word by word, up/down 
>> goes line by line and right/left goes character by character.  Works for now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 08:30, Christine Grassman  wrote:
>> 
>> I absolutely cannot edit in email, though I can edit fine in Text Edit or 
>> Pages. The cursor is never where it is supposed to be. I try to backspace or 
>> fix a typo, and I am never where I wish to be. Even if I interact and 
>> VoiceOver reads word by word, I am never on, or even before or after, the 
>> word being spoken. This is phenomenally frustrating, as I am constantly 
>> deleting the entire contents, writing emails elsewhere, thencutting and 
>> pasting. One think of note that might be relevant is that when I erase the 
>> entire contents, and am in the edit field, VoiceOver says “Empty Group” 
>> which I have never heard before in this context.
>> Christine
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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

No, it's not natural for me either.  I often still revert back to VO navigation 
within the composing area and mess things up.  This arrow navigation is the 
best I can do for now.  I'm not sure if this is going to be modified, or if 
this is the new way.  I've heard that there are some fixes coming to Mail 
navigation, but I'm not exactly sure what aspects of the experience they 
pertain to.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 9, 2017, at 08:54, Christine Grassman  wrote:

Okay, I am going to use that method right now for moving about in this message 
and attempting to change a word. 
That does seem to work. I will certainly have to work at this; it is not 
natural for me. :)
Christine

P.S. Does anyone know what this mysterious message “empty group” refers to in 
an empty email?

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't use QuickNav much, if at all, and still find similar frustrations as 
> Christine, albeit, not to the same degree.  I've found that VO jumps to the 
> beginning sometimes when I stop to think between typing.  the best thing I've 
> found is to just not use VO navigation when composing eMails, that is, just 
> arrow navigation.  Option-right/left navigates word by word, up/down goes 
> line by line and right/left goes character by character.  Works for now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 9, 2017, at 08:30, Christine Grassman  wrote:
> 
> I absolutely cannot edit in email, though I can edit fine in Text Edit or 
> Pages. The cursor is never where it is supposed to be. I try to backspace or 
> fix a typo, and I am never where I wish to be. Even if I interact and 
> VoiceOver reads word by word, I am never on, or even before or after, the 
> word being spoken. This is phenomenally frustrating, as I am constantly 
> deleting the entire contents, writing emails elsewhere, thencutting and 
> pasting. One think of note that might be relevant is that when I erase the 
> entire contents, and am in the edit field, VoiceOver says “Empty Group” which 
> I have never heard before in this context.
> Christine
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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread Christine Grassman

Okay, I am going to use that method right now for moving about in this message 
and attempting to change a word. 
That does seem to work. I will certainly have to work at this; it is not 
natural for me. :)
Christine

P.S. Does anyone know what this mysterious message “empty group” refers to in 
an empty email?

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I don't use QuickNav much, if at all, and still find similar frustrations as 
> Christine, albeit, not to the same degree.  I've found that VO jumps to the 
> beginning sometimes when I stop to think between typing.  the best thing I've 
> found is to just not use VO navigation when composing eMails, that is, just 
> arrow navigation.  Option-right/left navigates word by word, up/down goes 
> line by line and right/left goes character by character.  Works for now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 9, 2017, at 08:30, Christine Grassman  wrote:
> 
> I absolutely cannot edit in email, though I can edit fine in Text Edit or 
> Pages. The cursor is never where it is supposed to be. I try to backspace or 
> fix a typo, and I am never where I wish to be. Even if I interact and 
> VoiceOver reads word by word, I am never on, or even before or after, the 
> word being spoken. This is phenomenally frustrating, as I am constantly 
> deleting the entire contents, writing emails elsewhere, thencutting and 
> pasting. One think of note that might be relevant is that when I erase the 
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> I have never heard before in this context.
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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread alia robinson

as we said don’t use vo keys at all, use the arrows, and keep quicknav off.

On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

Nothing is working for knowing where I truly am in the message. I absolutely 
cannot edit in email. 

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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread alia robinson

Yes, good point keep your fingers off the vo keys. :) it’s a bit annoying to 
get used to, but quicknav ruins it completely. when reading an email quicknav 
is awesome now.

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I don't use QuickNav much, if at all, and still find similar frustrations as 
Christine, albeit, not to the same degree.  I've found that VO jumps to the 
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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread Christine Grassman

Nothing is working for knowing where I truly am in the message. I absolutely 
cannot edit in email. 
Christine

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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

I don't use QuickNav much, if at all, and still find similar frustrations as 
Christine, albeit, not to the same degree.  I've found that VO jumps to the 
beginning sometimes when I stop to think between typing.  the best thing I've 
found is to just not use VO navigation when composing eMails, that is, just 
arrow navigation.  Option-right/left navigates word by word, up/down goes line 
by line and right/left goes character by character.  Works for now.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 9, 2017, at 08:30, Christine Grassman  wrote:

I absolutely cannot edit in email, though I can edit fine in Text Edit or 
Pages. The cursor is never where it is supposed to be. I try to backspace or 
fix a typo, and I am never where I wish to be. Even if I interact and VoiceOver 
reads word by word, I am never on, or even before or after, the word being 
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entire contents, writing emails elsewhere, thencutting and pasting. One think 
of note that might be relevant is that when I erase the entire contents, and am 
in the edit field, VoiceOver says “Empty Group” which I have never heard before 
in this context.
Christine

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Navigating headings in Pages

2017-11-09 Thread Devin Prater

Hi all. I have saved a template for lesson plans so I can simply select the 
template and fill it out. This template is separate into headings. I’ve tried 
using VO+Command+H, adding the shift key to that, but neither navigate through 
the headings in the document. Is there a way to do this?
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread alia robinson

as I said keep quicknav off. it really helps.

On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:30 AM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

I absolutely cannot edit in email, though I can edit fine in Text Edit or 
Pages. The cursor is never where it is supposed to be. I try to backspace or 
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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread Christine Grassman

I absolutely cannot edit in email, though I can edit fine in Text Edit or 
Pages. The cursor is never where it is supposed to be. I try to backspace or 
fix a typo, and I am never where I wish to be. Even if I interact and VoiceOver 
reads word by word, I am never on, or even before or after, the word being 
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entire contents, writing emails elsewhere, thencutting and pasting. One think 
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in the edit field, VoiceOver says “Empty Group” which I have never heard before 
in this context.
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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread alia robinson

turn quicknav off when replying to messages. turn it on when navigating them. I 
love that the mail app now has navigation via quick nav letters more like a 
webpage. it takes some getting used to.

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Re: What on earth did I do??? Mail is driving me crazy

2017-11-09 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,
When reading emails, try interacting with the message area, then arrow down 
through the message text to read it.  Don't use the VO keys, just the arrow 
keys.  If you need to go word by word, hold down the option key while pressing 
the right arrow, or left arrow to go back.  Use just the right arrow to go 
forward letter by letter.  I agree that navigation within Mail is less than 
expected in High Sierra as compared to previous versions of the MacOS.  
Hopefully, it is fixed in some fashion soon.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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> Hi, Roland. Thanks for your suggestion, but this did not work for me.  I 
> cannot edit within email; I cannot get the cursor to where I need to be. 
> Every time I try to read an email, it jumps from beginning to end, and back 
> again. There is no ability to read by word or character. I have tried playing 
> around with Quick Nav, but that doesn’t do anything. I have no idea which 
> settings to check.

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> Hello,
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> 
> Am Mittwoch, 8. November 2017 19:42:46 UTC+1 schrieb Christine Grassman:
> behaving accurately at all. I cannot navigate a message. I cannot copy. I 
> cannot right, delete, insert, backspace, or anything properly. Sometimes, 
> there is no voiceover feedback at all while writing. Clicking on links 
> doesn’t always
> I have seen this once after upgrading to 10.13.
> Focus kept jumping and it appeared as if I could not interact with the table 
> of mails at all.
> Turning VO off and back on again solved this for me.
> Generally speaking VO doesn't work as well in 10.13 as in 10.12 for me but I 
> am using German localization, not English, and this may well make a 
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> Hi, Roland. Thanks for your suggestion, but this did not work for me.  I 
> cannot edit within email; I cannot get the cursor to where I need to be. 
> Every time I try to read an email, it jumps from beginning to end, and back 
> again. There is no ability to read by word or character. I have tried playing 
> around with Quick Nav, but that doesn’t do anything. I have no idea which 
> settings to check.

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:05 PM, 'Roland Zitzke' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> Am Mittwoch, 8. November 2017 19:42:46 UTC+1 schrieb Christine Grassman:
> behaving accurately at all. I cannot navigate a message. I cannot copy. I 
> cannot right, delete, insert, backspace, or anything properly. Sometimes, 
> there is no voiceover feedback at all while writing. Clicking on links 
> doesn’t always
> I have seen this once after upgrading to 10.13.
> Focus kept jumping and it appeared as if I could not interact with the table 
> of mails at all.
> Turning VO off and back on again solved this for me.
> Generally speaking VO doesn't work as well in 10.13 as in 10.12 for me but I 
> am using German localization, not English, and this may well make a 
> difference.
> /Roland
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Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

2017-11-09 Thread Erik Burggraaf

I don't have this keyboard myself, only because I can't buy from amazon.com 
anymore. I'm not sure why most of us need to iOS devices.  One is enough 
for me. Regardless, I have been interested in how this keyboard determines 
its pairings. As far as I'm concerned, Bluetooth is Bluetooth is Bluetooth. 
If you were going to go to the trouble to make a 3 in 1 Bluetooth 
connection for a keyboard, you wouldn't restricted by device would you? 
I've also wondered what would happen if you tried to pair the keyboard up 
with a Mac. The spec is very specific that it's Windows, IOS, and Android. 
There's no reason why it shouldn't connect up to a Mac just fine, but what 
would actually happen if you tried it?



I actually have one of each, iOS, Android, and Windows devices. So, this is 
actually the perfect keyboard for me. If anyone is planning to buy, I would 
be interested in PayPal and someone the money, getting them to order me 
one, and ship it to Canada.





On November 9, 2017 4:41:22 AM Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi erik,

Is this iClever keyboard able to connect to more than one IOS device?
I’I’d rather connect to a couple of IOS devices rather than windows 
android and ios at one time.


But it reads well in the reviews

Sent from my iPad

On 8/11/2017, at 8:30 AM, Erik Burggraaf 
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:


Hi Donna,

This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to 
amazon.com.

http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8

It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, 
and one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.


Enjoyu,

Erik


On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:


Hi all,

I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I 
loved it. I’d be looking for something like that something small and 
portable. Does anyone have any recommendations?

Thanks,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

2017-11-09 Thread Donna Goodin

Thanks, Cliff. I’ll check it out.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 2:01 AM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> It’s a bit smaller than the apple BT keyboard.  Donna, no it does not fold up.
>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Cliffton,
>> 
>> How big is this Logitech keyboard?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>> Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 12:16 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone
>> 
>> I like the logitech BT keyboard, make sure you get the 811 model, not the 
>> 810, although it probably don’t matter if your just using IOS.  This 
>> keyboard can be paired to 3 devices, and works perfectly with any IOS device 
>> as well as the appleTV
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I wanted a small portible keyboard I would want the F and J marked.  I 
>>> stopped looking for keyboards long ago because I couldn't find a mark on 
>>> the F and J.
>>> 
>>> I am a touch typist and when I started typing at school we were taught that 
>>> the F and J was marked which made it easier for VI people.  I was taught 
>>> over 30 years ago so that shows you what age I might be!  All though I am 
>>> not 60 so you can guess and come to your conclusions.
>>> 
>>> I at present use my small Focus 14 as a keyboard.
>>> 
>>> So if anyone knows of a good portible keyboard (not apple as it's too big) 
>>> a small one which has the F and J marked and is made of metal (none of 
>>> those cheap plastic ones thanks) I might be interested!
>>> 
>>> Thank you and please of course.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 7 Nov 2017, at 19:30, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to amazon.com.
 http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8
 
 It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
 sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, 
 and one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.
 
 Enjoyu,
 
 Erik
 
 
 On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
 iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I 
 loved it. I’d be looking for something like that something small and 
 portable. Does anyone have any recommendations?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping

2017-11-09 Thread CHUCK REICHEL

Hi Simon,

Its know as the biggest shopping day of the year or at least thats what they 
claim!
Its the day after Thanks giving to GOD" DAY and most people in the UsA have the 
day off and are recovering from to much Turkey! :)
The stores claim they make there "Nut" for the year on that day!
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Hi Mark and others,
> 
> Please tell me 
> Other than a Friday the 13th 
> What the heck is Black Friday?
> 
> We have black Fridays when I'ts a 13th of the month on a Friday but this 
> isn't a big shopping sales day or holiday.
> 
> What the heck is this one you guys have?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 7:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping
> 
> Best apps to save you money over Black Friday and beyond Marc Saltzman
> Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in one place, along with a 
> smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and more. (Photo: Flipp) We 
> all have that friend who always seems to get the best deals while shopping.
> Oh, you know the one. You spend $100 on designer jeans and they seem to find 
> the exact same pair for $60. Their 4KTV is bigger, thinner, and smarter yet 
> you paid the same amount. And they remind you of this fact. All the time.
> Well, perhaps it's because they're using apps that can save money while 
> shopping online or at retail. It's about time you got in the game. As we 
> approach Black Friday and Cyber Monday, here's a look at some recommended 
> deal-sniffing downloads for your iOS or Android smartphone or tablet. More:
> Black Friday 2017: What to buy, what to skip More: The best Black Friday 
> deals you can get right now More: 4 Black Friday facts retailers don't want 
> you to know Ebates: Earn cash back on all your online purchases with this 
> popular app. More than 2,500 stores and marketplaces are supported. (Photo:
> Ebates) The premise is simple: shop where you already like to shop, but get 
> cash back after your purchases, whether you opt to pay by check or a PayPal 
> deposit. Be aware the percentage varies depending on the online retailer or 
> marketplace, and there are more than 2,000 to choose from, including Amazon, 
> Walmart, Macy's, Target, eBay, Kohl's, Best Buy, American Eagle, Old Navy, 
> and Groupon, to name a few. The app will also notify you of sales and special 
> offers, and there are in-store coupons and promo codes, too. As added 
> incentive for signing up for a free Ebates account, you'll get a $10 bonus 
> when you make your first purchase, plus you'll earn $50 if you invite two 
> friends to join. Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in one 
> place, along with a smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and 
> more. (Photo: Flipp) Another "must have" mobile companion, Flipp aggregates 
> all your local circulars (flyers) in one place now with more than 1,000 
> popular retailers whether you want to browse through weekly ads or search for 
> something specific by keyword. When you land on a product you've had your eye 
> on, Flipp looks to match the deal with coupons, to save even more cash. 
> Whether you're buying tech over Black Friday or food to cook over the 
> holidays, the app also features a "discount slider," so you can select how 
> much of a deal you want, such as only showing you items discounted by 40% or 
> greater. My favorite feature is a "smart" shopping list, that automatically 
> lists nearby retailers with the best deals, based on what on your list.
> Flipp also holds all your store loyalty cards in one place, so you can show 
> the app at checkout, plus there's support for rebates, too. Updated this 
> week, Shopkick rewards you with free gift cards for stores like Target, 
> Walmart, Amazon, Sephora, Starbucks, and more. To get going, open the 
> Shopkick app while you're at the mall, and you'll start to earn points
> ("kicks") for simply walking into select stores, scanning products (like a 
> retail scavenger hunt), and purchasing products (submit your receipt as 
> proof). You can also open the Shopkick app when you're lounging at home, as 
> you can receive kicks for virtually "visiting" a store or making an online 
> purchase. All the kicks you earn could be redeemed for gift cards or products 
> (from about 20 to choose from), or you can donate your kicks to charity. 
> Rather than scouring the web for the best deals, DealNews has an "obsessive" 
> team of deal experts that looks for the best prices on the biggest brands, 
> and then publishes the 300 best deals and coupons (and in some cases, 
> freebies) to the DealNews app. And it's not just high-tech toys, like tablets 
> and laptops, but also apparel, home décor items, and more

Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

2017-11-09 Thread Simon Fogarty

Hi erik,

Is this iClever keyboard able to connect to more than one IOS device?
 I’I’d rather connect to a couple of IOS devices rather than windows android 
and ios at one time.

But it reads well in the reviews

Sent from my iPad

On 8/11/2017, at 8:30 AM, Erik Burggraaf 
mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,

This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to 
amazon.com.
http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8

It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, and 
one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.

Enjoyu,

Erik


On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I loved 
it. I’d be looking for something like that something small and portable. Does 
anyone have any recommendations?
Thanks,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone

2017-11-09 Thread Kliphton Miller

It’s a bit smaller than the apple BT keyboard.  Donna, no it does not fold up.
> On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cliffton,
> 
> How big is this Logitech keyboard?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2017 12:16 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recommendation for a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my iPhone
> 
> I like the logitech BT keyboard, make sure you get the 811 model, not the 
> 810, although it probably don’t matter if your just using IOS.  This keyboard 
> can be paired to 3 devices, and works perfectly with any IOS device as well 
> as the appleTV
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> If I wanted a small portible keyboard I would want the F and J marked.  I 
>> stopped looking for keyboards long ago because I couldn't find a mark on the 
>> F and J.
>> 
>> I am a touch typist and when I started typing at school we were taught that 
>> the F and J was marked which made it easier for VI people.  I was taught 
>> over 30 years ago so that shows you what age I might be!  All though I am 
>> not 60 so you can guess and come to your conclusions.
>> 
>> I at present use my small Focus 14 as a keyboard.
>> 
>> So if anyone knows of a good portible keyboard (not apple as it's too big) a 
>> small one which has the F and J marked and is made of metal (none of those 
>> cheap plastic ones thanks) I might be interested!
>> 
>> Thank you and please of course.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 7 Nov 2017, at 19:30, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> This icleverr one is very popular if you have access to amazon.com.
>>> http://amzn.to/2tcMzn8
>>> 
>>> It folds to a size just a little bigger than a passport, unfolds to a full 
>>> sized keyboard, comes with a cary case, and pairs to one ios, one android, 
>>> and one windows device all at once, allowing you to switch back and fourth.
>>> 
>>> Enjoyu,
>>> 
>>> Erik
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On November 7, 2017 1:58:01 PM Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have finally decided to get a small Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my 
>>> iPhone. I once used an apple keyboard that went with the iPad mini, and I 
>>> loved it. I’d be looking for something like that something small and 
>>> portable. Does anyone have any recommendations?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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