Re: How to restore a personal mail folder from Time Machine backup?

[John Panarese]

   That would be “easier” in some ways, but it’s also time consuming to restore 
from the backup. However, if you are not losing anything current, then go for 
it.


Take Care

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> On May 20, 2021, at 5:03 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Thanks for this. It sounds complicated, though. Would an alternative be to 
> simply restore my old Mac from the backup? I made the backup on Monday, so 
> about the only thing that would be different would be the personal mailboxes 
> I deleted. I’ve never had to restore from a time-machine backup though, so I 
> don’t have much of an idea about how it works.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 11:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>  I think your best bet is using the time machine interface. You have to open 
>> time machine when you are in mail and use the slider to go back to a 
>> specific time in the past in which that folder was present. I have not done 
>> this in a long time, so someone else might have better, more specific 
>> directions. With the time machine interface, you have to use the window 
>> chooser menu to locate the time machine controls and then interact with the 
>> slider to go back in time.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2021, at 12:22 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have one personal mail folder that I forgot to copy over to the new Mac. 
>>> I would like to retrieve it from my last Time Machine backup of the old 
>>> Mac. Anyone know how to do this?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

[kliph miller Sr]

Most don’t know this, but if you hold down the fn key 1 threw 0 will perform 
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> On May 20, 2021, at 8:34 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
> 
> My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
> usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
> mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several 
> times to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to 
> be much more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the 
> quick access to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish 
> that on the new Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.
> 
> I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
> opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, the 
>> function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no vision 
>> can use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that should be 
>> enough. I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if that will 
>> even be possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it up front, 
>> perhaps that would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on memory and the 
>> touch bar would be appreciated.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>  
>> Hi Les,
>>  
>> Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
>> weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my 
>> time and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check 
>> do not disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since I never 
>> use it, it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the other 
>> issue, now that I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes sense, 
>> but at the outset it’s confusing, because you have both the login options 
>> under users, and the Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am very 
>> happy with my purchase.
>>  
>> Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
>> machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as 
>> significant as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the 
>> biggest reason I chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead of 
>> a touch bar.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> First, I wish to thank everyone for the great recent discussion about the 
>> new Mac1 laptops. I am sorry Donna that you had so much difficulty with your 
>> unit. The subsequent discussion has helped me recall many key commands and 
>> configuration settings on the Mac. Yesterday, I went to the Apple Store to 
>> receive hands-on demonstrations of the Air and MacBook Pro. I went in 
>> thinking I wished the Pro, but the Air is definitely worthy of 
>> consideration. I have numerous questions, but I will start with just one. 
>> What factors were important to you in choosing either the Air or the Macbook 
>> Pro? Thanks for the assist.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
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Re: How to restore a personal mail folder from Time Machine backup?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi John,

Thanks for this. It sounds complicated, though. Would an alternative be to 
simply restore my old Mac from the backup? I made the backup on Monday, so 
about the only thing that would be different would be the personal mailboxes I 
deleted. I’ve never had to restore from a time-machine backup though, so I 
don’t have much of an idea about how it works.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 20, 2021, at 11:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   I think your best bet is using the time machine interface. You have to open 
> time machine when you are in mail and use the slider to go back to a specific 
> time in the past in which that folder was present. I have not done this in a 
> long time, so someone else might have better, more specific directions. With 
> the time machine interface, you have to use the window chooser menu to locate 
> the time machine controls and then interact with the slider to go back in 
> time.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 12:22 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have one personal mail folder that I forgot to copy over to the new Mac. I 
>> would like to retrieve it from my last Time Machine backup of the old Mac. 
>> Anyone know how to do this?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Brad and Tim,

Thank you both for your good wishes. Yes, it will be a really good machine and 
should last me for several years which is my goal.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Congratulations on your purchase decision.
> I hope it servers you well for a long time.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 20, 2021, at 14:52, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad and All,
> Well, I agree with both Donna and Tim. I ordered my MBA this afternoon and 
> went with Donna’s approach. I think the unit might show up sooner than the 
> date they gave me which was June 8-10. Of course, it’s an estimate anyway.
> Best,
> Les
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 1:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>  
> I agree with Donna.  Since you can’t upgrade either storage or RAM on current 
> Macs, you are stuck with what you get when you purchase the device.  
> Therefore, in order to future-proof your purchase, get as much RAM and 
> storage as you can possibly afford, so you don’t end up with a device that 
> won’t meet your future needs.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On May 20, 2021, at 11:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> Hi Les,
>  
> Tim is right, 8 is probably ok for most users. I tend to overbuy, given that 
> what you buy is what you have until your next upgrade, and I’m hoping to keep 
> this machine for a while.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>  
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Donna,
>> Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the 
>> store felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I 
>> did feel he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had 
>> enough experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I think 
>> I’ll call Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish it to 
>> be. All of the info you are providing is extremely helpful and much 
>> appreciated.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>  
>> Hi Les,
>>  
>> My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
>> usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
>> mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several 
>> times to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to 
>> be much more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the 
>> quick access to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish 
>> that on the new Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.
>>  
>> I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
>> opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, 
>>> the function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no 
>>> vision can use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that 
>>> should be enough. I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if 
>>> that will even be possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it 
>>> up front, perhaps that would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on 
>>> memory and the touch bar would be appreciated.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>  
>>> Les
>>>  
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>>  
>>> Hi Les,
>>>  
>>> Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
>>> weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my 
>>> time and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to 
>>> check do not disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since 
>>> I never use it, it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the 
>>> other issue, now that I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes 
>>> sense, but at the outset it’s confusing, because you have both the login 
>>> options under users, and the Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am 
>>> very happy with my purchase.
>>>  
>>> Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
>>> machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as 
>>> significant as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the 
>>> biggest reason I chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead 
>>> of a touch bar.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On May

Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

[Brad Snyder]

Congratulations on your purchase decision.
I hope it servers you well for a long time.

- Brad -


On May 20, 2021, at 14:52, Les Kriegler  wrote:

Hi Brad and All,
Well, I agree with both Donna and Tim. I ordered my MBA this afternoon and went 
with Donna’s approach. I think the unit might show up sooner than the date they 
gave me which was June 8-10. Of course, it’s an estimate anyway.
Best,
Les
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 1:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
 
I agree with Donna.  Since you can’t upgrade either storage or RAM on current 
Macs, you are stuck with what you get when you purchase the device.  Therefore, 
in order to future-proof your purchase, get as much RAM and storage as you can 
possibly afford, so you don’t end up with a device that won’t meet your future 
needs.

- Brad -

 
On May 20, 2021, at 11:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
Hi Les,
 
Tim is right, 8 is probably ok for most users. I tend to overbuy, given that 
what you buy is what you have until your next upgrade, and I’m hoping to keep 
this machine for a while.
Cheers,
Donna
 


> On May 20, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Donna,
> Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the 
> store felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I 
> did feel he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had 
> enough experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I think 
> I’ll call Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish it to be. 
> All of the info you are providing is extremely helpful and much appreciated.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>  
> Hi Les,
>  
> My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
> usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
> mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several 
> times to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to 
> be much more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the 
> quick access to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish 
> that on the new Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.
>  
> I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
> opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, the 
>> function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no vision 
>> can use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that should be 
>> enough. I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if that will 
>> even be possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it up front, 
>> perhaps that would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on memory and the 
>> touch bar would be appreciated.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>  
>> Hi Les,
>>  
>> Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
>> weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my 
>> time and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check 
>> do not disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since I never 
>> use it, it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the other 
>> issue, now that I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes sense, 
>> but at the outset it’s confusing, because you have both the login options 
>> under users, and the Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am very 
>> happy with my purchase.
>>  
>> Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
>> machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as 
>> significant as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the 
>> biggest reason I chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead of 
>> a touch bar.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 20, 

Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Donna,

Thank you. No worries on the wait. We will be out of town next weekend anyhow, 
and it also gives me some additional time to set up my service for my wife to 
use.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2021, at 4:04 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Congrats, Les. Enjoy! But don’t count on it showing up sooner than the date 
> they gave you. Mine showed up on the last day of the window they had given me.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 2:52 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brad and All,
>> Well, I agree with both Donna and Tim. I ordered my MBA this afternoon and 
>> went with Donna’s approach. I think the unit might show up sooner than the 
>> date they gave me which was June 8-10. Of course, it’s an estimate anyway.
>> Best,
>> Les
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 1:33 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>  
>> I agree with Donna.  Since you can’t upgrade either storage or RAM on 
>> current Macs, you are stuck with what you get when you purchase the device.  
>> Therefore, in order to future-proof your purchase, get as much RAM and 
>> storage as you can possibly afford, so you don’t end up with a device that 
>> won’t meet your future needs.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>>  
>> On May 20, 2021, at 11:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Les,
>>  
>> Tim is right, 8 is probably ok for most users. I tend to overbuy, given that 
>> what you buy is what you have until your next upgrade, and I’m hoping to 
>> keep this machine for a while.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the 
>>> store felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I 
>>> did feel he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had 
>>> enough experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I 
>>> think I’ll call Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish 
>>> it to be. All of the info you are providing is extremely helpful and much 
>>> appreciated.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>  
>>> Les
>>>  
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>>  
>>> Hi Les,
>>>  
>>> My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
>>> usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked 
>>> it, mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it 
>>> several times to initiate an action or function. I personally find function 
>>> keys to be much more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it 
>>> is the quick access to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to 
>>> accomplish that on the new Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that 
>>> yet.
>>>  
>>> I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
>>> opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
 
 Hi Donna,
 Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, 
 the function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no 
 vision can use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that 
 should be enough. I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if 
 that will even be possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it 
 up front, perhaps that would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on 
 memory and the touch bar would be appreciated.
 Best Regards,
  
 Les
  
 From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
 Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
  
 Hi Les,
  
 Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
 weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my 
 time and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to 
 check do not disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since 
 I never use it, it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the 
 other issue, now that I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes 
 sense, but at the outset it’s confusing, because you have both the login 
 options under users, and the Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I 
 am very happy with my purchase.
  
 Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a 
 lighter machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t 
 as significant a

Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Congrats, Les. Enjoy! But don’t count on it showing up sooner than the date 
they gave you. Mine showed up on the last day of the window they had given me.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 20, 2021, at 2:52 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad and All,
> Well, I agree with both Donna and Tim. I ordered my MBA this afternoon and 
> went with Donna’s approach. I think the unit might show up sooner than the 
> date they gave me which was June 8-10. Of course, it’s an estimate anyway.
> Best,
> Les
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 1:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>  
> I agree with Donna.  Since you can’t upgrade either storage or RAM on current 
> Macs, you are stuck with what you get when you purchase the device.  
> Therefore, in order to future-proof your purchase, get as much RAM and 
> storage as you can possibly afford, so you don’t end up with a device that 
> won’t meet your future needs.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On May 20, 2021, at 11:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi Les,
>  
> Tim is right, 8 is probably ok for most users. I tend to overbuy, given that 
> what you buy is what you have until your next upgrade, and I’m hoping to keep 
> this machine for a while.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>  
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Donna,
>> Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the 
>> store felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I 
>> did feel he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had 
>> enough experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I think 
>> I’ll call Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish it to 
>> be. All of the info you are providing is extremely helpful and much 
>> appreciated.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>  
>> Hi Les,
>>  
>> My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
>> usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
>> mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several 
>> times to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to 
>> be much more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the 
>> quick access to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish 
>> that on the new Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.
>>  
>> I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
>> opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, 
>>> the function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no 
>>> vision can use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that 
>>> should be enough. I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if 
>>> that will even be possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it 
>>> up front, perhaps that would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on 
>>> memory and the touch bar would be appreciated.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>  
>>> Les
>>>  
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> > 
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>>  
>>> Hi Les,
>>>  
>>> Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
>>> weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my 
>>> time and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to 
>>> check do not disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since 
>>> I never use it, it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the 
>>> other issue, now that I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes 
>>> sense, but at the outset it’s confusing, because you have both the login 
>>> options under users, and the Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am 
>>> very happy with my purchase.
>>>  
>>> Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
>>> machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as 
>>> significant as

Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Well, enjoy your Mac!  Should be a nice machine :).

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 20, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad and All,
> Well, I agree with both Donna and Tim. I ordered my MBA this afternoon and 
> went with Donna’s approach. I think the unit might show up sooner than the 
> date they gave me which was June 8-10. Of course, it’s an estimate anyway.
> Best,
> Les
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 1:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>  
> I agree with Donna.  Since you can’t upgrade either storage or RAM on current 
> Macs, you are stuck with what you get when you purchase the device.  
> Therefore, in order to future-proof your purchase, get as much RAM and 
> storage as you can possibly afford, so you don’t end up with a device that 
> won’t meet your future needs.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On May 20, 2021, at 11:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi Les,
>  
> Tim is right, 8 is probably ok for most users. I tend to overbuy, given that 
> what you buy is what you have until your next upgrade, and I’m hoping to keep 
> this machine for a while.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>  
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Donna,
>> Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the 
>> store felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I 
>> did feel he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had 
>> enough experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I think 
>> I’ll call Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish it to 
>> be. All of the info you are providing is extremely helpful and much 
>> appreciated.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>  
>> Hi Les,
>>  
>> My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
>> usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
>> mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several 
>> times to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to 
>> be much more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the 
>> quick access to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish 
>> that on the new Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.
>>  
>> I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
>> opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, 
>>> the function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no 
>>> vision can use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that 
>>> should be enough. I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if 
>>> that will even be possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it 
>>> up front, perhaps that would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on 
>>> memory and the touch bar would be appreciated.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>  
>>> Les
>>>  
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> > 
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>>  
>>> Hi Les,
>>>  
>>> Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
>>> weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my 
>>> time and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to 
>>> check do not disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since 
>>> I never use it, it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the 
>>> other issue, now that I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes 
>>> sense, but at the outset it’s confusing, because you have both the login 
>>> options under users, and the Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am 
>>> very happy with my purchase.
>>>  
>>> Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
>>> machine, though the difference between the 

RE: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Brad and All,

Well, I agree with both Donna and Tim. I ordered my MBA this afternoon and went 
with Donna’s approach. I think the unit might show up sooner than the date they 
gave me which was June 8-10. Of course, it’s an estimate anyway.

Best,

Les

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 1:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

I agree with Donna.  Since you can’t upgrade either storage or RAM on current 
Macs, you are stuck with what you get when you purchase the device.  Therefore, 
in order to future-proof your purchase, get as much RAM and storage as you can 
possibly afford, so you don’t end up with a device that won’t meet your future 
needs.


- Brad -

 

On May 20, 2021, at 11:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi Les,

 

Tim is right, 8 is probably ok for most users. I tend to overbuy, given that 
what you buy is what you have until your next upgrade, and I’m hoping to keep 
this machine for a while.

Cheers,

Donna

 





On May 20, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Donna,

Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the store 
felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I did feel 
he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had enough 
experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I think I’ll call 
Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish it to be. All of the 
info you are providing is extremely helpful and much appreciated.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi Les,

 

My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several times 
to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to be much 
more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the quick access 
to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish that on the new 
Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.

 

I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad






On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi Donna,

Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, the 
function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no vision can 
use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that should be enough. 
I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if that will even be 
possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it up front, perhaps that 
would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on memory and the touch bar would 
be appreciated.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi Les,

 

Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my time 
and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check do not 
disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since I never use it, 
it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the other issue, now that 
I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes sense, but at the outset 
it’s confusing, because you have both the login options under users, and the 
Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am very happy with my purchase.

 

Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as significant 
as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the biggest reason I 
chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead of a touch bar.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad







On May 20, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi All,

First, I wish to thank everyone for the great recent discussion about the new 
Mac1 laptops. I am sorry Donna that you had so much difficulty with your unit. 
The subsequent discussion has helped me recall many key commands and 
configuration settings on the Mac. Yesterday, I went to the Apple Store to 
receive hands-on demonstrations of the Air and

Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

[Brad Snyder]

I agree with Donna.  Since you can’t upgrade either storage or RAM on current 
Macs, you are stuck with what you get when you purchase the device.  Therefore, 
in order to future-proof your purchase, get as much RAM and storage as you can 
possibly afford, so you don’t end up with a device that won’t meet your future 
needs.

- Brad -


On May 20, 2021, at 11:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Les,

Tim is right, 8 is probably ok for most users. I tend to overbuy, given that 
what you buy is what you have until your next upgrade, and I’m hoping to keep 
this machine for a while.
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 20, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the 
> store felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I 
> did feel he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had 
> enough experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I think 
> I’ll call Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish it to be. 
> All of the info you are providing is extremely helpful and much appreciated.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>  
> Hi Les,
>  
> My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
> usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
> mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several 
> times to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to 
> be much more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the 
> quick access to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish 
> that on the new Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.
>  
> I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
> opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, the 
>> function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no vision 
>> can use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that should be 
>> enough. I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if that will 
>> even be possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it up front, 
>> perhaps that would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on memory and the 
>> touch bar would be appreciated.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>  
>> Hi Les,
>>  
>> Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
>> weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my 
>> time and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check 
>> do not disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since I never 
>> use it, it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the other 
>> issue, now that I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes sense, 
>> but at the outset it’s confusing, because you have both the login options 
>> under users, and the Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am very 
>> happy with my purchase.
>>  
>> Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
>> machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as 
>> significant as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the 
>> biggest reason I chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead of 
>> a touch bar.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> First, I wish to thank everyone for the great recent discussion about the 
>>> new Mac1 laptops. I am sorry Donna that you had so much difficulty with 
>>> your unit. The subsequent discussion has helped me recall many key commands 
>>> and configuration settings on the Mac. Yesterday, I went to the Apple Store 
>>> to receive hands-on demonstrations of the Air and MacBook Pro. I went in 
>>> thinking I wished the Pro, but the Air is definitely worthy of 
>>> consideration. I have numerous questions, but I will start with just one. 
>>> What factors were important to you in choosing either the Air or the 
>>> Macbook Pro? Thanks for the assist.
>>> Best Regards,

RE: Zoom on the Mac

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Tim,

Thanks. I’ll save this message and refer to it when my Mac arrives.

Best,

Les

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 1:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Zoom on the Mac

 

Hi,

 

There’s probably a list somewhere, but you can find what you need in the Zoom 
menus and/or Preferences.  Under the menus, where Mute is listed, the shortcut 
will be announced as well.  Also, when in Zoom press cmd-comma to bring up the 
Preferences, then navigate to Keyboard Shortcuts to find a list.

 

A few key ones for you:

 

Cmd-shift-a - Toggle mute on/off.

Cmd-shift-v - Toggle camera on/off.

Option-y - Raise lower hand.

Open/Close Chat panel - cmd-shift-h

 

You can also simply hold down space when muted to temporarily open the mic to 
speak.

 

Yes, the state of the command is announced when using the keyboard shortcut.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On May 20, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,

Is there a list of shortcut keys for using Zoom on the Mac? Also, if one wishes 
to perform actions such as Mute or Unmute or Raise or Lower Hand, will VO read 
the current state of each option when the appropriate keys are pressed?

Best,

 

Les

 

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RE: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

[Les Kriegler]

No problem. Worked fine. In my opinion, getting an Intel Mac now would defeat 
the purpose of purchasing a Mac. It’s the M1 chip that is appealing because of 
superior performance.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi,

 

Sorry about the link.  Try this instead:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNNTXd85VXo

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On May 20, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

Thanks for sending this. Only one problem, the link did not work. I got a 
message saying that it could be down temporarily or it may have been moved. 
Yes, I understand the M1 chip is far superior to Intel’s latest chip.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 10:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi,

 

To jump into this conversation, I’d say that 8 Gb of RAM will suffice in most 
cases.  The M1 Macs manage memory and processor actions much differently than 
Intel machines.  Check out this relatively short video comparing an M1 Mac 
performance to a comparable Intel Mac.

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/macrumors

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On May 20, 2021, at 8:22 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Donna,

Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the store 
felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I did feel 
he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had enough 
experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I think I’ll call 
Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish it to be. All of the 
info you are providing is extremely helpful and much appreciated.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi Les,

 

My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several times 
to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to be much 
more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the quick access 
to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish that on the new 
Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.

 

I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad







On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi Donna,

Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, the 
function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no vision can 
use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that should be enough. 
I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if that will even be 
possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it up front, perhaps that 
would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on memory and the touch bar would 
be appreciated.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi Les,

 

Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my time 
and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check do not 
disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since I never use it, 
it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the other issue, now that 
I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes sense, but at the outset 
it’s confusing, because you have both the login options under users, and the 
Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am very happy with my purchase.

 

Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as significant 
as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. 

Re: Zoom on the Mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

There’s probably a list somewhere, but you can find what you need in the Zoom 
menus and/or Preferences.  Under the menus, where Mute is listed, the shortcut 
will be announced as well.  Also, when in Zoom press cmd-comma to bring up the 
Preferences, then navigate to Keyboard Shortcuts to find a list.

A few key ones for you:

Cmd-shift-a - Toggle mute on/off.
Cmd-shift-v - Toggle camera on/off.
Option-y - Raise lower hand.
Open/Close Chat panel - cmd-shift-h

You can also simply hold down space when muted to temporarily open the mic to 
speak.

Yes, the state of the command is announced when using the keyboard shortcut.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 20, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> Is there a list of shortcut keys for using Zoom on the Mac? Also, if one 
> wishes to perform actions such as Mute or Unmute or Raise or Lower Hand, will 
> VO read the current state of each option when the appropriate keys are 
> pressed?
> Best,
>  
> Les
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Re: Zoom on the Mac

[John Panarese]

  I have a text lis I can sent you off line. Please contact me privately. Yes, 
VoiceOver will read the status as it changes.


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> On May 20, 2021, at 12:54 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> Is there a list of shortcut keys for using Zoom on the Mac? Also, if one 
> wishes to perform actions such as Mute or Unmute or Raise or Lower Hand, will 
> VO read the current state of each option when the appropriate keys are 
> pressed?
> Best,
>  
> Les
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Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Sorry about the link.  Try this instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNNTXd85VXo 


Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 20, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> Thanks for sending this. Only one problem, the link did not work. I got a 
> message saying that it could be down temporarily or it may have been moved. 
> Yes, I understand the M1 chip is far superior to Intel’s latest chip.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 10:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>  
> Hi,
>  
> To jump into this conversation, I’d say that 8 Gb of RAM will suffice in most 
> cases.  The M1 Macs manage memory and processor actions much differently than 
> Intel machines.  Check out this relatively short video comparing an M1 Mac 
> performance to a comparable Intel Mac.
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/user/macrumors 
> 
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:22 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Donna,
>> Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the 
>> store felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I 
>> did feel he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had 
>> enough experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I think 
>> I’ll call Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish it to 
>> be. All of the info you are providing is extremely helpful and much 
>> appreciated.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>  
>> Hi Les,
>>  
>> My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
>> usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
>> mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several 
>> times to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to 
>> be much more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the 
>> quick access to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish 
>> that on the new Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.
>>  
>> I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
>> opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, 
>>> the function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no 
>>> vision can use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that 
>>> should be enough. I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if 
>>> that will even be possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it 
>>> up front, perhaps that would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on 
>>> memory and the touch bar would be appreciated.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>  
>>> Les
>>>  
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> > 
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>>  
>>> Hi Les,
>>>  
>>> Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
>>> weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my 
>>> time and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to 
>>> check do not disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since 
>>> I never use it, it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the 
>>> other issue, now that I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes 
>>> sense, but at the outset it’s confusing, because you have both the login 
>>> options under users, and the Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am 
>>> very happy with my purchase.
>>>  
>>> Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
>>> machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as 
>>> significant as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the 
>>> biggest reason I chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead 
>>> of a touch bar.
>>> Cheers,
>

Zoom on the Mac

[Les Kriegler]

Hi All,

Is there a list of shortcut keys for using Zoom on the Mac? Also, if one
wishes to perform actions such as Mute or Unmute or Raise or Lower Hand,
will VO read the current state of each option when the appropriate keys are
pressed?

Best,

 

Les

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RE: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Donna,

Yes, I tend to do the same thing. I also think Tim is correct. Have a good day.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi Les,

 

Tim is right, 8 is probably ok for most users. I tend to overbuy, given that 
what you buy is what you have until your next upgrade, and I’m hoping to keep 
this machine for a while.

Cheers,

Donna

 





On May 20, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Donna,

Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the store 
felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I did feel 
he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had enough 
experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I think I’ll call 
Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish it to be. All of the 
info you are providing is extremely helpful and much appreciated.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi Les,

 

My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several times 
to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to be much 
more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the quick access 
to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish that on the new 
Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.

 

I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad






On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi Donna,

Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, the 
function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no vision can 
use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that should be enough. 
I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if that will even be 
possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it up front, perhaps that 
would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on memory and the touch bar would 
be appreciated.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi Les,

 

Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my time 
and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check do not 
disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since I never use it, 
it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the other issue, now that 
I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes sense, but at the outset 
it’s confusing, because you have both the login options under users, and the 
Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am very happy with my purchase.

 

Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as significant 
as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the biggest reason I 
chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead of a touch bar.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad







On May 20, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi All,

First, I wish to thank everyone for the great recent discussion about the new 
Mac1 laptops. I am sorry Donna that you had so much difficulty with your unit. 
The subsequent discussion has helped me recall many key commands and 
configuration settings on the Mac. Yesterday, I went to the Apple Store to 
receive hands-on demonstrations of the Air and MacBook Pro. I went in thinking 
I wished the Pro, but the Air is definitely worthy of consideration. I have 
numerous questions, but I will start with just one. What factors were important 
to you in choosing either the Air or the Macbook Pro? Thanks for the assist.

Best Regards,

 

Les

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RE: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Tim,

Thanks for sending this. Only one problem, the link did not work. I got a 
message saying that it could be down temporarily or it may have been moved. 
Yes, I understand the M1 chip is far superior to Intel’s latest chip.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 10:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi,

 

To jump into this conversation, I’d say that 8 Gb of RAM will suffice in most 
cases.  The M1 Macs manage memory and processor actions much differently than 
Intel machines.  Check out this relatively short video comparing an M1 Mac 
performance to a comparable Intel Mac.

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/macrumors

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On May 20, 2021, at 8:22 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Donna,

Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the store 
felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I did feel 
he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had enough 
experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I think I’ll call 
Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish it to be. All of the 
info you are providing is extremely helpful and much appreciated.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi Les,

 

My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several times 
to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to be much 
more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the quick access 
to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish that on the new 
Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.

 

I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad






On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi Donna,

Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, the 
function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no vision can 
use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that should be enough. 
I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if that will even be 
possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it up front, perhaps that 
would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on memory and the touch bar would 
be appreciated.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi Les,

 

Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my time 
and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check do not 
disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since I never use it, 
it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the other issue, now that 
I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes sense, but at the outset 
it’s confusing, because you have both the login options under users, and the 
Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am very happy with my purchase.

 

Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as significant 
as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the biggest reason I 
chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead of a touch bar.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad







On May 20, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi All,

First, I wish to thank everyone for the great recent discussion about the new 
Mac1 laptops. I am sorry Donna that you had so much difficulty with your unit. 
The subsequent discussion has helped me recall many key commands and 
configuration settings on the Mac. Yesterday, I went to the Apple Store to 
receive hands-on demonstrations of the Air and MacBook Pro. I went in thinking 
I wished the Pro, but the Air is definitely worthy of consideration. I have 
numerous questions, but I will start with just one. What factors were important 
to you in choosing

Re: How to restore a personal mail folder from Time Machine backup?

[John Panarese]

   I think your best bet is using the time machine interface. You have to open 
time machine when you are in mail and use the slider to go back to a specific 
time in the past in which that folder was present. I have not done this in a 
long time, so someone else might have better, more specific directions. With 
the time machine interface, you have to use the window chooser menu to locate 
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Mac for the Blind
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Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

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> On May 20, 2021, at 12:22 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have one personal mail folder that I forgot to copy over to the new Mac. I 
> would like to retrieve it from my last Time Machine backup of the old Mac. 
> Anyone know how to do this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Les,

Tim is right, 8 is probably ok for most users. I tend to overbuy, given that 
what you buy is what you have until your next upgrade, and I’m hoping to keep 
this machine for a while.
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 20, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the 
> store felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I 
> did feel he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had 
> enough experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I think 
> I’ll call Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish it to be. 
> All of the info you are providing is extremely helpful and much appreciated.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>  
> Hi Les,
>  
> My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
> usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
> mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several 
> times to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to 
> be much more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the 
> quick access to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish 
> that on the new Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.
>  
> I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
> opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, the 
>> function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no vision 
>> can use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that should be 
>> enough. I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if that will 
>> even be possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it up front, 
>> perhaps that would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on memory and the 
>> touch bar would be appreciated.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>  
>> Hi Les,
>>  
>> Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
>> weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my 
>> time and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check 
>> do not disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since I never 
>> use it, it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the other 
>> issue, now that I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes sense, 
>> but at the outset it’s confusing, because you have both the login options 
>> under users, and the Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am very 
>> happy with my purchase.
>>  
>> Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
>> machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as 
>> significant as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the 
>> biggest reason I chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead of 
>> a touch bar.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> First, I wish to thank everyone for the great recent discussion about the 
>>> new Mac1 laptops. I am sorry Donna that you had so much difficulty with 
>>> your unit. The subsequent discussion has helped me recall many key commands 
>>> and configuration settings on the Mac. Yesterday, I went to the Apple Store 
>>> to receive hands-on demonstrations of the Air and MacBook Pro. I went in 
>>> thinking I wished the Pro, but the Air is definitely worthy of 
>>> consideration. I have numerous questions, but I will start with just one. 
>>> What factors were important to you in choosing either the Air or the 
>>> Macbook Pro? Thanks for the assist.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>  
>>> Les
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How to restore a personal mail folder from Time Machine backup?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I have one personal mail folder that I forgot to copy over to the new Mac. I 
would like to retrieve it from my last Time Machine backup of the old Mac. 
Anyone know how to do this?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Big Sur questions.

[Brad Snyder]

To add to Tim’s response, beginning with Big Sur, some alerts or dialogues 
cannot be acted upon as they were in earlier versions of macOS.
In these situations, you may find it necessary to use the Actions menu in order 
to interact with the alert.
To access the Actions menu, press VO + CMD + Spacebar, to open the Actions 
menu, then use the up/down arrow keys to navigate the choices in the menu, and 
then press the Enter key to activate your selection.

With respect to Application updates in the AppStore app, once in the update 
section, accessed using CMD + NumberRow 8, you will need to interact with the 
Details area in order to access individual app updates.  There are 2 sections 
in the Details area to be aware of, the Available section, and the Previously 
Installed section.  You will need to interact with the Available section in 
order to access pending updates.  Each pending update will need to be 
interacted with in order to perform the install button for that update.
Alternatively, you may find a ToolBar, that may be interacted with, where you 
will find an Update All button, if you wish to not interact with each pending 
update individually.

HTH.

- Brad -


On May 20, 2021, at 09:32, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

The System dialogs are accessed using VO-f1-f1, the Application Chooser.  After 
bringing it up, arrow down to System, then right to open the sub-menu to see 
the specific alerts.  Press return to access the alert.   With respect to 
updates, it depends on whether they are app updates or MacOS updates.  In Big 
Sur and a few earlier MacOS versions, the MacOS updates are now in System 
Preferences, Software Update.  If there are app updates, when in the App Store, 
press cmd-8 to bring up the updates screen.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, Jessica Moss  > wrote:
> 
> This has probably been asked multiple times, but I’ve been having the hardest 
> time figuring out how to do the following sense updating to Mac OS Big Sur.  
> First of all, when those occasional confirmation dialogues pop up that 
> Voiceover never seems to read, but I hear this constant chime sound over and 
> over, how do I get to where the message is displayed so I can do whatever 
> needs to be done about it?
>  Second, when I’m prompted that updates are ready to be installed, I can get 
> as far as the App Store itself, but find no option to view/install the 
> updates once there, so in the end, I have no idea if everything is up-to-date 
> or not.  Has anyone found a workaround for this?
> 
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Re: Big Sur questions.

[Jessica Moss]

Thank you so much, I finally figured out what was running in the background.  I 
think the App Store bit will still take some playing around with though.

> On May 20, 2021, at 10:36 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When you have the TouchBar, use VO-FN-number.  So, to do VO-f1-f1, press 
> VO-FN-1-1.  Similarly for f2, f3 etc.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:33 AM, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, how does this work if you have a Touch Bar and no function keys?
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2021, at 10:32 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The System dialogs are accessed using VO-f1-f1, the Application Chooser.  
>>> After bringing it up, arrow down to System, then right to open the sub-menu 
>>> to see the specific alerts.  Press return to access the alert.   With 
>>> respect to updates, it depends on whether they are app updates or MacOS 
>>> updates.  In Big Sur and a few earlier MacOS versions, the MacOS updates 
>>> are now in System Preferences, Software Update.  If there are app updates, 
>>> when in the App Store, press cmd-8 to bring up the updates screen.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On May 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, Jessica Moss >>> > wrote:
 
 This has probably been asked multiple times, but I’ve been having the 
 hardest time figuring out how to do the following sense updating to Mac OS 
 Big Sur.  First of all, when those occasional confirmation dialogues pop 
 up that Voiceover never seems to read, but I hear this constant chime 
 sound over and over, how do I get to where the message is displayed so I 
 can do whatever needs to be done about it?
  Second, when I’m prompted that updates are ready to be installed, I can 
 get as far as the App Store itself, but find no option to view/install the 
 updates once there, so in the end, I have no idea if everything is 
 up-to-date or not.  Has anyone found a workaround for this?
 
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Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

To jump into this conversation, I’d say that 8 Gb of RAM will suffice in most 
cases.  The M1 Macs manage memory and processor actions much differently than 
Intel machines.  Check out this relatively short video comparing an M1 Mac 
performance to a comparable Intel Mac.

https://www.youtube.com/user/macrumors 

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 20, 2021, at 8:22 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the 
> store felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I 
> did feel he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had 
> enough experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I think 
> I’ll call Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish it to be. 
> All of the info you are providing is extremely helpful and much appreciated.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>  
> Hi Les,
>  
> My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
> usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
> mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several 
> times to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to 
> be much more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the 
> quick access to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish 
> that on the new Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.
>  
> I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
> opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, the 
>> function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no vision 
>> can use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that should be 
>> enough. I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if that will 
>> even be possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it up front, 
>> perhaps that would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on memory and the 
>> touch bar would be appreciated.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>>  
>> Hi Les,
>>  
>> Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
>> weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my 
>> time and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check 
>> do not disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since I never 
>> use it, it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the other 
>> issue, now that I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes sense, 
>> but at the outset it’s confusing, because you have both the login options 
>> under users, and the Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am very 
>> happy with my purchase.
>>  
>> Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
>> machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as 
>> significant as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the 
>> biggest reason I chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead of 
>> a touch bar.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> First, I wish to thank everyone for the great recent discussion about the 
>>> new Mac1 laptops. I am sorry Donna that you had so much difficulty with 
>>> your unit. The subsequent discussion has helped me recall many key commands 
>>> and configuration settings on the Mac. Yesterday, I went to the Apple Store 
>>> to receive hands-on demonstrations of the Air and MacBook Pro. I went in 
>>> thinking I wished the Pro, but the Air is definitely worthy of 
>>> consideration. I have numerous questions, but I will start with just one. 
>>> What factors were important to you in choosing either the Air or the 
>>> Macbook Pro? Thanks for the assist.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>  
>>> Les
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Re: Big Sur questions.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

When you have the TouchBar, use VO-FN-number.  So, to do VO-f1-f1, press 
VO-FN-1-1.  Similarly for f2, f3 etc.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 20, 2021, at 8:33 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Ok, how does this work if you have a Touch Bar and no function keys?
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 10:32 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The System dialogs are accessed using VO-f1-f1, the Application Chooser.  
>> After bringing it up, arrow down to System, then right to open the sub-menu 
>> to see the specific alerts.  Press return to access the alert.   With 
>> respect to updates, it depends on whether they are app updates or MacOS 
>> updates.  In Big Sur and a few earlier MacOS versions, the MacOS updates are 
>> now in System Preferences, Software Update.  If there are app updates, when 
>> in the App Store, press cmd-8 to bring up the updates screen.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> This has probably been asked multiple times, but I’ve been having the 
>>> hardest time figuring out how to do the following sense updating to Mac OS 
>>> Big Sur.  First of all, when those occasional confirmation dialogues pop up 
>>> that Voiceover never seems to read, but I hear this constant chime sound 
>>> over and over, how do I get to where the message is displayed so I can do 
>>> whatever needs to be done about it?
>>>  Second, when I’m prompted that updates are ready to be installed, I can 
>>> get as far as the App Store itself, but find no option to view/install the 
>>> updates once there, so in the end, I have no idea if everything is 
>>> up-to-date or not.  Has anyone found a workaround for this?
>>> 
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Re: Big Sur questions.

[Jessica Moss]

Ok, how does this work if you have a Touch Bar and no function keys?

> On May 20, 2021, at 10:32 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The System dialogs are accessed using VO-f1-f1, the Application Chooser.  
> After bringing it up, arrow down to System, then right to open the sub-menu 
> to see the specific alerts.  Press return to access the alert.   With respect 
> to updates, it depends on whether they are app updates or MacOS updates.  In 
> Big Sur and a few earlier MacOS versions, the MacOS updates are now in System 
> Preferences, Software Update.  If there are app updates, when in the App 
> Store, press cmd-8 to bring up the updates screen.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>> 
>> This has probably been asked multiple times, but I’ve been having the 
>> hardest time figuring out how to do the following sense updating to Mac OS 
>> Big Sur.  First of all, when those occasional confirmation dialogues pop up 
>> that Voiceover never seems to read, but I hear this constant chime sound 
>> over and over, how do I get to where the message is displayed so I can do 
>> whatever needs to be done about it?
>>  Second, when I’m prompted that updates are ready to be installed, I can get 
>> as far as the App Store itself, but find no option to view/install the 
>> updates once there, so in the end, I have no idea if everything is 
>> up-to-date or not.  Has anyone found a workaround for this?
>> 
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Re: Big Sur questions.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

The System dialogs are accessed using VO-f1-f1, the Application Chooser.  After 
bringing it up, arrow down to System, then right to open the sub-menu to see 
the specific alerts.  Press return to access the alert.   With respect to 
updates, it depends on whether they are app updates or MacOS updates.  In Big 
Sur and a few earlier MacOS versions, the MacOS updates are now in System 
Preferences, Software Update.  If there are app updates, when in the App Store, 
press cmd-8 to bring up the updates screen.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> This has probably been asked multiple times, but I’ve been having the hardest 
> time figuring out how to do the following sense updating to Mac OS Big Sur.  
> First of all, when those occasional confirmation dialogues pop up that 
> Voiceover never seems to read, but I hear this constant chime sound over and 
> over, how do I get to where the message is displayed so I can do whatever 
> needs to be done about it?
>  Second, when I’m prompted that updates are ready to be installed, I can get 
> as far as the App Store itself, but find no option to view/install the 
> updates once there, so in the end, I have no idea if everything is up-to-date 
> or not.  Has anyone found a workaround for this?
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RE: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Donna,

Okay, I didn’t realize there was a faster GPU. The representative in the store 
felt the default configuration of 8 MB Ram was plenty for my needs. I did feel 
he was trying to sell what was in the store. That’s fine, I’ve had enough 
experience with sales people and I won’t respond to pressure. I think I’ll call 
Apple and order via phone and configure it the way I wish it to be. All of the 
info you are providing is extremely helpful and much appreciated.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi Les,

 

My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several times 
to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to be much 
more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the quick access 
to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish that on the new 
Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.

 

I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad





On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi Donna,

Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, the 
function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no vision can 
use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that should be enough. 
I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if that will even be 
possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it up front, perhaps that 
would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on memory and the touch bar would 
be appreciated.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi Les,

 

Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my time 
and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check do not 
disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since I never use it, 
it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the other issue, now that 
I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes sense, but at the outset 
it’s confusing, because you have both the login options under users, and the 
Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am very happy with my purchase.

 

Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as significant 
as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the biggest reason I 
chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead of a touch bar.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad






On May 20, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi All,

First, I wish to thank everyone for the great recent discussion about the new 
Mac1 laptops. I am sorry Donna that you had so much difficulty with your unit. 
The subsequent discussion has helped me recall many key commands and 
configuration settings on the Mac. Yesterday, I went to the Apple Store to 
receive hands-on demonstrations of the Air and MacBook Pro. I went in thinking 
I wished the Pro, but the Air is definitely worthy of consideration. I have 
numerous questions, but I will start with just one. What factors were important 
to you in choosing either the Air or the Macbook Pro? Thanks for the assist.

Best Regards,

 

Les

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Big Sur questions.

[Jessica Moss]

This has probably been asked multiple times, but I’ve been having the hardest 
time figuring out how to do the following sense updating to Mac OS Big Sur.  
First of all, when those occasional confirmation dialogues pop up that 
Voiceover never seems to read, but I hear this constant chime sound over and 
over, how do I get to where the message is displayed so I can do whatever needs 
to be done about it?
  Second, when I’m prompted that updates are ready to be installed, I can get 
as far as the App Store itself, but find no option to view/install the updates 
once there, so in the end, I have no idea if everything is up-to-date or not.  
Has anyone found a workaround for this?

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Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Les,

My MBA is replacing a 2017 Macbook Pro with a touch bar. It is definitely 
usable, and with time, you get more used to it. But I never really liked it, 
mostly because it’s response time was slow. Often I had to tap it several times 
to initiate an action or function. I personally find function keys to be much 
more efficient. The only thing I miss about not having it is the quick access 
to imogis, but for all I know, there may be a way to accomplish that on the new 
Mac, I haven’t really had time to explore that yet.

I got 16MB ram. I don’t plan to run Windows on it either, but I am of the 
opinion that more RAM is always beter. :)  I also went with the faster GPU.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On May 20, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, the 
> function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no vision 
> can use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that should be 
> enough. I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if that will 
> even be possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it up front, 
> perhaps that would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on memory and the 
> touch bar would be appreciated.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment
>  
> Hi Les,
>  
> Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
> weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my 
> time and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check 
> do not disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since I never 
> use it, it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the other 
> issue, now that I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes sense, 
> but at the outset it’s confusing, because you have both the login options 
> under users, and the Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am very 
> happy with my purchase.
>  
> Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
> machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as 
> significant as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the 
> biggest reason I chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead of 
> a touch bar.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> On May 20, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> First, I wish to thank everyone for the great recent discussion about the new 
> Mac1 laptops. I am sorry Donna that you had so much difficulty with your 
> unit. The subsequent discussion has helped me recall many key commands and 
> configuration settings on the Mac. Yesterday, I went to the Apple Store to 
> receive hands-on demonstrations of the Air and MacBook Pro. I went in 
> thinking I wished the Pro, but the Air is definitely worthy of consideration. 
> I have numerous questions, but I will start with just one. What factors were 
> important to you in choosing either the Air or the Macbook Pro? Thanks for 
> the assist.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
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RE: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Donna,

Thanks for your response. Glad your current unit is working better! Yes, the 
function keys are a definite plus. I am wondering if anybody with no vision can 
use the touch bar? Did you get 8 MB RAM? Ity seems like that should be enough. 
I don’t know if I would ever run Windows on this, or if that will even be 
possible. If I got additional memory, I’d rather get it up front, perhaps that 
would be the only option anyway. So thoughts on memory and the touch bar would 
be appreciated.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

 

Hi Les,

 

Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
weird, and I still don’t know what to make of that. That said, much of my time 
and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check do not 
disturb sooner.  It was one of those tsituations where, since I never use it, 
it didn’t dawn on me that it could be the problem. Re the other issue, now that 
I know where the Accessibility options are, it makes sense, but at the outset 
it’s confusing, because you have both the login options under users, and the 
Login Items tab. Now that all is working, I am very happy with my purchase.

 

Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as significant 
as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the biggest reason I 
chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead of a touch bar.

Cheers,

Donna

Sent from my iPad





On May 20, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:



Hi All,

First, I wish to thank everyone for the great recent discussion about the new 
Mac1 laptops. I am sorry Donna that you had so much difficulty with your unit. 
The subsequent discussion has helped me recall many key commands and 
configuration settings on the Mac. Yesterday, I went to the Apple Store to 
receive hands-on demonstrations of the Air and MacBook Pro. I went in thinking 
I wished the Pro, but the Air is definitely worthy of consideration. I have 
numerous questions, but I will start with just one. What factors were important 
to you in choosing either the Air or the Macbook Pro? Thanks for the assist.

Best Regards,

 

Les

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Re: Turning touchpad on and off on Macbook Air M1

[Dave Carlson]

Ian,
Not due to Big Sur. Mojave also has this limitation.
Need to use a Bluetooth or USB Mouse to shut off the touchpad.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar

On May 20, 2021, at 2:41 AM, Ian Harrison  wrote:

Thanks for that people. It is strange that somehow on my old macbook air with 
High Sierra the trackpad does not respond to touch at all I can’t remember how 
I got this to work then and am wondering if this is new to Big Sur?

Thanks
Ian

> On 18 May 2021, at 04:38, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> The only way to turn the touchpad truly off is to find the checkbox that says 
> disable trackpad when an external mouse or trackpad is attached.  Then, have 
> a handy bluetooth mouse that you turn on when you want the pad disabled.
> 
> This checkbox is in the accessibility settings area of System Preferences. 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 17, 2021, at 06:36, Ian Harrison  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear listers,
>> 
>> I am now sharing my new Air with my wife. I am blind and she isn’t. She 
>> likes to use the touchpad but I don’t and I keep accidentally touching it by 
>> accident when using voiceover. How can I turn off the touchpad on the fly 
>> without going into preferences every time?
>> 
>> With many thanks
>> Ian
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Re: Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Les,

Thanks for your kind words. Re my experience, yeah, the first MBA was just 
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and frustration this week could have been saved if I’d thought to check do not 
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Anyway, to answer your question. I chose the Air because I wanted a lighter 
machine, though the difference between the Air and the Pro isn’t as significant 
as it used to be. Cost was also a factor. But probably the biggest reason I 
chose the Air was because I wanted function keys instead of a touch bar.
Cheers,
Donna

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> On May 20, 2021, at 6:23 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
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> 
> Hi All,
> First, I wish to thank everyone for the great recent discussion about the new 
> Mac1 laptops. I am sorry Donna that you had so much difficulty with your 
> unit. The subsequent discussion has helped me recall many key commands and 
> configuration settings on the Mac. Yesterday, I went to the Apple Store to 
> receive hands-on demonstrations of the Air and MacBook Pro. I went in 
> thinking I wished the Pro, but the Air is definitely worthy of consideration. 
> I have numerous questions, but I will start with just one. What factors were 
> important to you in choosing either the Air or the Macbook Pro? Thanks for 
> the assist.
> Best Regards,
>  
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Mac Purchase Question and a Comment

[Les Kriegler]

Hi All,

First, I wish to thank everyone for the great recent discussion about the
new Mac1 laptops. I am sorry Donna that you had so much difficulty with your
unit. The subsequent discussion has helped me recall many key commands and
configuration settings on the Mac. Yesterday, I went to the Apple Store to
receive hands-on demonstrations of the Air and MacBook Pro. I went in
thinking I wished the Pro, but the Air is definitely worthy of
consideration. I have numerous questions, but I will start with just one.
What factors were important to you in choosing either the Air or the Macbook
Pro? Thanks for the assist.

Best Regards,

 

Les

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Re: Turning touchpad on and off on Macbook Air M1

[Ian Harrison]

Thanks for that people. It is strange that somehow on my old macbook air with 
High Sierra the trackpad does not respond to touch at all I can’t remember how 
I got this to work then and am wondering if this is new to Big Sur?

Thanks
Ian

> On 18 May 2021, at 04:38, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Hello, 
> The only way to turn the touchpad truly off is to find the checkbox that says 
> disable trackpad when an external mouse or trackpad is attached.  Then, have 
> a handy bluetooth mouse that you turn on when you want the pad disabled.
> 
> This checkbox is in the accessibility settings area of System Preferences. 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
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>> On May 17, 2021, at 06:36, Ian Harrison  wrote:
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>> Dear listers,
>> 
>> I am now sharing my new Air with my wife. I am blind and she isn’t. She 
>> likes to use the touchpad but I don’t and I keep accidentally touching it by 
>> accident when using voiceover. How can I turn off the touchpad on the fly 
>> without going into preferences every time?
>> 
>> With many thanks
>> Ian
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