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Re: Material for learning the mac

2021-12-07 Thread Many of us

what is bits? How do I subscribe?
shirley
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  From: Rebecca Skipper 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 7:53 AM
  Subject: RE: Material for learning the mac

  Hope you got the Word file I sent.

  If you are subscribed to BITS there is a Mac by the BITS monthly tutorial. 

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Many of us
  Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 2:50 AM
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  Subject: Re: Material for learning the mac

  Thanks Rebecca! This is all really helpful info!

  shirley

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From: Rebecca Skipper 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 6:38 AM

Subject: RE: Material for learning the mac

Hi,

National Braille Press has a book about the Mac that can be ordered in 
MSWord .

https://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS-2021.html

You could try copying some user guides to Word on Applevis’s site.

It has a lot of useful information on getting started with the Mac.

https://www.applevis.com/new-to-mac

Maybe you should start with this link.

https://www.applevis.com/guides/beginners-guide-using-macos-voiceover

I will copy this article to MSWord and send it offlist.

There are training courses free of charge.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgNJsQKMJrgakBEKzcZUKuA/videos?view=0=dd_id=0

I hope others can add to this list.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 10:35 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Material for learning the mac

Has anyone got any material in text or word format on using and learning to 
use a mac?

I'd really appreciate it if you could email me a copy at

manyofus1...@gmail.com

thanks!

shirley

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RE: Material for learning the mac

2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

Hope you got the Word file I sent.

If you are subscribed to BITS there is a Mac by the BITS monthly tutorial. 

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 2:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Material for learning the mac

 

Thanks Rebecca! This is all really helpful info!

shirley

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From: Rebecca Skipper   

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 6:38 AM

Subject: RE: Material for learning the mac

 

Hi,

National Braille Press has a book about the Mac that can be ordered in MSWord .

https://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS-2021.html

You could try copying some user guides to Word on Applevis’s site.

It has a lot of useful information on getting started with the Mac.

https://www.applevis.com/new-to-mac

Maybe you should start with this link.

https://www.applevis.com/guides/beginners-guide-using-macos-voiceover

I will copy this article to MSWord and send it offlist.

There are training courses free of charge.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgNJsQKMJrgakBEKzcZUKuA/videos?view=0 

 =dd_id=0

I hope others can add to this list.

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 10:35 PM
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Subject: Material for learning the mac

 

Has anyone got any material in text or word format on using and learning to use 
a mac?

I'd really appreciate it if you could email me a copy at

manyofus1...@gmail.com  

thanks!

shirley

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Re: Material for learning the mac

2021-12-07 Thread Many of us

Thanks Rebecca! This is all really helpful info!
shirley
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rebecca Skipper 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 6:38 AM
  Subject: RE: Material for learning the mac

  Hi,

  National Braille Press has a book about the Mac that can be ordered in MSWord 
.

  https://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS-2021.html

  You could try copying some user guides to Word on Applevis’s site.

  It has a lot of useful information on getting started with the Mac.

  https://www.applevis.com/new-to-mac

  Maybe you should start with this link.

  https://www.applevis.com/guides/beginners-guide-using-macos-voiceover

  I will copy this article to MSWord and send it offlist.

  There are training courses free of charge.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgNJsQKMJrgakBEKzcZUKuA/videos?view=0=dd_id=0

  I hope others can add to this list.

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Many of us
  Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 10:35 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Material for learning the mac

  Has anyone got any material in text or word format on using and learning to 
use a mac?

  I'd really appreciate it if you could email me a copy at

  manyofus1...@gmail.com

  thanks!

  shirley

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Re: Material for learning the mac

2021-12-07 Thread Many of us

Cool. Thanks, I'll check it out!
shirley
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From: "Karen Lewellen" 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 6:44 AM
Subject: RE: Material for learning the mac

I would add that John's truly wonderful mac for the blind website
has voiceover user guides in text format based on os edition, along with
loads of tips tricks and other training tools, most? free of charge.
Kare

On Wed, 8 Dec 2021, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

Hi,

National Braille Press has a book about the Mac that can be ordered in 
MSWord .

https://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS-2021.html

You could try copying some user guides to Word on Applevisâ?Ts site.

It has a lot of useful information on getting started with the Mac.

https://www.applevis.com/new-to-mac

Maybe you should start with this link.

https://www.applevis.com/guides/beginners-guide-using-macos-voiceover

I will copy this article to MSWord and send it offlist.

There are training courses free of charge.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgNJsQKMJrgakBEKzcZUKuA/videos?view=0 

=dd_id=0

I hope others can add to this list.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Many of us

Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 10:35 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Material for learning the mac

Has anyone got any material in text or word format on using and learning 
to use a mac?

I'd really appreciate it if you could email me a copy at

manyofus1...@gmail.com 

thanks!

shirley

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RE: Material for learning the mac

2021-12-07 Thread Karen Lewellen


I would add that John's truly wonderful mac for the blind website
has voiceover user guides in text format based on os edition, along with 
loads of tips tricks and other training tools, most? free of charge.

Kare



On Wed, 8 Dec 2021, Rebecca Skipper wrote:


Hi,

National Braille Press has a book about the Mac that can be ordered in MSWord .

https://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS-2021.html

You could try copying some user guides to Word on Applevis???s site.

It has a lot of useful information on getting started with the Mac.

https://www.applevis.com/new-to-mac

Maybe you should start with this link.

https://www.applevis.com/guides/beginners-guide-using-macos-voiceover

I will copy this article to MSWord and send it offlist.

There are training courses free of charge.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgNJsQKMJrgakBEKzcZUKuA/videos?view=0 

 =dd_id=0

I hope others can add to this list.





From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 10:35 PM
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Subject: Material for learning the mac



Has anyone got any material in text or word format on using and learning to use 
a mac?

I'd really appreciate it if you could email me a copy at

manyofus1...@gmail.com 

thanks!

shirley

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RE: Material for learning the mac

2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

Hi,

National Braille Press has a book about the Mac that can be ordered in MSWord .

https://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-BASICS-2021.html

You could try copying some user guides to Word on Applevis’s site.

It has a lot of useful information on getting started with the Mac.

https://www.applevis.com/new-to-mac

Maybe you should start with this link.

https://www.applevis.com/guides/beginners-guide-using-macos-voiceover

I will copy this article to MSWord and send it offlist.

There are training courses free of charge.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgNJsQKMJrgakBEKzcZUKuA/videos?view=0 

 =dd_id=0

I hope others can add to this list.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 10:35 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Material for learning the mac

 

Has anyone got any material in text or word format on using and learning to use 
a mac?

I'd really appreciate it if you could email me a copy at

manyofus1...@gmail.com  

thanks!

shirley

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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

Thanks.

I didn’t know this was the same command on both operating systems.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 12:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

Hi Rebecca,

Regarding Sticky keys, it is a feature you find on both Mac and Windows by 
pressing shift key 5 times in a row.

It is useful for example in case you want to use a single hand to do a 
difficult keystrokes. If you press whatever modifier key (ctrl, shift, option 
or alt, or command, you don’t need to hold the button beside the other letter 
keys. You can just press them once and continue your shortcut .

I hope my words are clear enough.

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

On 8 Dec 2021, at 12:57 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks.

I was referring to the VO lock keys, but again, I’m getting Windows and Mac 
terminology confused.

It is nice though to have so many customizations.

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

Rebecca,

I know what you’re talking about being able to lock the VO keys. But that’s not 
actually what sticky keys are. Sticky keys or away for a key press to be held 
electronically down longer to allow you to move your finger to another place 
and make a combination keystroke without having to actually hold both keys down 
at the same time. Hope that makes things clear.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician

On Dec 7, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.

This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.

To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
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Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen

Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Muhammad Fayed

Hi Rebecca,

Regarding Sticky keys, it is a feature you find on both Mac and Windows by 
pressing shift key 5 times in a row.

It is useful for example in case you want to use a single hand to do a 
difficult keystrokes. If you press whatever modifier key (ctrl, shift, option 
or alt, or command, you don’t need to hold the button beside the other letter 
keys. You can just press them once and continue your shortcut .

I hope my words are clear enough.

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 


> On 8 Dec 2021, at 12:57 AM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.
> I was referring to the VO lock keys, but again, I’m getting Windows and Mac 
> terminology confused.
> It is nice though to have so many customizations.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Dave Carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:56 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>  
> Rebecca,
> I know what you’re talking about being able to lock the VO keys. But that’s 
> not actually what sticky keys are. Sticky keys or away for a key press to be 
> held electronically down longer to allow you to move your finger to another 
> place and make a combination keystroke without having to actually hold both 
> keys down at the same time. Hope that makes things clear.
>  
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Rebecca Skipper  > wrote:
> 
> 
> If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.
> This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for 
> anyone who has problems with those multi finger commands.
> To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
> configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>  
> Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with 
> dexterity issues.
> 
> - Brad -
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper  > wrote:
>  
> Thanks.
> It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the 
> sticky keys option on the Mac.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>  
> The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:
>  
> • on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
> required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, 
> but remains for the application of focus.
> • There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
> equivalent app on iPad.
>  
> I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
> Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
> herself.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Mohamed E. Fayed 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>>  
>> Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
>> operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is 
>> a completely different experience than an iPad.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an 
>> iPad.
>> JAWS is a keyboard first option.
>> I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.
>>  
>> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>>  
>>  
>> On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:
>>> The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the 
>>> keyboard or physically use the mouse.
>>> I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
>>> Mac’s trackpad commander.
>>>  
>> There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on 
>> the screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I 
>> have a laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input 
>> feature.
>> As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to 
>> Mac devices is that it's

Re: Moving YouTube Slider?

2021-12-07 Thread Herbie Allen

You should be able to VO right passed the slider.

> On Dec 7, 2021, at 22:01, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Jumping youtube video in time.
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>> How can I move Youtube slider, please?
>> Thanks!
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RE: Moving YouTube Slider?

2021-12-07 Thread Fazil M.

Jumping youtube video in time.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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What do you mean by the Youtube slider?

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Hi, Group.

How can I move Youtube slider, please?

Thanks!

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Re: Moving YouTube Slider?

2021-12-07 Thread Herbie Allen

What do you mean by the Youtube slider?

> On Dec 7, 2021, at 19:32, Fazil M.  wrote:
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Material for learning the mac

2021-12-07 Thread Many of us

Has anyone got any material in text or word format on using and learning to use 
a mac?
I'd really appreciate it if you could email me a copy at
manyofus1...@gmail.com
thanks!
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Moving YouTube Slider?

2021-12-07 Thread Fazil M.

Hi, Group.

How can I move Youtube slider, please?

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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

Thanks.

I was referring to the VO lock keys, but again, I’m getting Windows and Mac 
terminology confused.

It is nice though to have so many customizations.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Rebecca,

I know what you’re talking about being able to lock the VO keys. But that’s not 
actually what sticky keys are. Sticky keys or away for a key press to be held 
electronically down longer to allow you to move your finger to another place 
and make a combination keystroke without having to actually hold both keys down 
at the same time. Hope that makes things clear.

 

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Dec 7, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.

This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.

To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 







On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.





- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.

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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Dave Carlson

Rebecca,
I know what you’re talking about being able to lock the VO keys. But that’s not 
actually what sticky keys are. Sticky keys or away for a key press to be held 
electronically down longer to allow you to move your finger to another place 
and make a combination keystroke without having to actually hold both keys down 
at the same time. Hope that makes things clear.

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician


On Dec 7, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:


If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.
This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.
To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
 
Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.

- Brad -
 
 
 
 
On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
 
Thanks.
It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
 
The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:
 
• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.
• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.
 
I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.
 
Regards,
 
Mohamed E. Fayed 



On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.


- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:


If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.
JAWS is a keyboard first option.
I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.
 
From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
 
 
On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:
The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.
I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.
 
There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.
As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.
Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.
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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

I used the wrong terminology. I should have referred to this as locking 
Voiceover Keys.

I’m still new to the Mac and use Windows as my primary device for now.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Rebekah, like you I like using the sticky keys. It is definitely very easy.





On Dec 7, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 






On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.




- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.

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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

Okay, thanks.

Still a handy feature to have.

I think I am getting Windows and Mac terminology confused.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Locking the VO modifier using VO + semi-colon, is not a Sticky Key function.


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2021, at 16:15, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.

This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.

To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 







On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.





- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.

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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread joseph hudson

Rebekah, like you I like using the sticky keys. It is definitely very easy.

> On Dec 7, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.
> It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the 
> sticky keys option on the Mac.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>  
> The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:
>  
> • on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
> required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, 
> but remains for the application of focus.
> • There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
> equivalent app on iPad.
>  
> I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
> Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
> herself.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Mohamed E. Fayed 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>>  
>> Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
>> operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is 
>> a completely different experience than an iPad.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an 
>> iPad.
>> JAWS is a keyboard first option.
>> I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.
>>  
>> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>>  
>>  
>> On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:
>>> The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the 
>>> keyboard or physically use the mouse.
>>> I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
>>> Mac’s trackpad commander.
>>>  
>> There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on 
>> the screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I 
>> have a laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input 
>> feature.
>> As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to 
>> Mac devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a 
>> laptop-style, vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, 
>> but, then, I'm faster with a keyboard anyway.
>> Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a 
>> Mac - I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too 
>> old for it.
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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Brad Snyder

Locking the VO modifier using VO + semi-colon, is not a Sticky Key function.

- Brad -




On Dec 7, 2021, at 16:15, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:

If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.
This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.
To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
 
Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.

- Brad -
 
 
 
 
On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Thanks.
It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
 
The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:
 
• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.
• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.
 
I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.
 
Regards,
 
Mohamed E. Fayed 



> On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
>  
> Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
> operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
> completely different experience than an iPad.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper  > wrote:
> 
> 
> If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an 
> iPad.
> JAWS is a keyboard first option.
> I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.
>  
> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>  
>  
> On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:
>> The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the 
>> keyboard or physically use the mouse.
>> I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
>> Mac’s trackpad commander.
>>  
> There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
> screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have 
> a laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input 
> feature.
> As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to 
> Mac devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a 
> laptop-style, vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, 
> but, then, I'm faster with a keyboard anyway.
> Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a 
> Mac - I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too 
> old for it.
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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

Thanks.

Yes, but I think it is important to point out that the Mac has a lot more 
customizations than Windows which surprises me.

Hopefully, more apps will be supported on the M1.

 

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Hi,

 

No worries.  I hope that this discussion is helping to clarify.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Dec 7, 2021, at 15:37, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Sorry, I’m new to the Mac and am getting the terms confused.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Hi,

 

That is correct, although that is a different feature than Sticky Keys.  VO 
does have the key lock as you’ve mentioned as well as single key navigation on 
the web.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Dec 7, 2021, at 15:15, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.

This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.

To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 








On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.






- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an

Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

No worries.  I hope that this discussion is helping to clarify.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Dec 7, 2021, at 15:37, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I’m new to the Mac and am getting the terms confused.
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:36 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>  
> Hi,
>  
> That is correct, although that is a different feature than Sticky Keys.  VO 
> does have the key lock as you’ve mentioned as well as single key navigation 
> on the web.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 15:15, Rebecca Skipper > > wrote:
>>  
>> If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.
>> This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for 
>> anyone who has problems with those multi finger commands.
>> To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
>> configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>>  
>> Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with 
>> dexterity issues.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper > > wrote:
>>  
>> Thanks.
>> It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the 
>> sticky keys option on the Mac.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>>  
>> The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:
>>  
>> • on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
>> required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, 
>> but remains for the application of focus.
>> • There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
>> equivalent app on iPad.
>>  
>> I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone 
>> and Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t 
>> do herself.
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Mohamed E. Fayed 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
>>> operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is 
>>> a completely different experience than an iPad.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an 
>>> iPad.
>>> JAWS is a keyboard first option.
>>> I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.
>>>  
>>> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries >> > 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:
 The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the 
 keyboard or physically use the mouse.
 I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
 Mac’s trackpad commander.
  
>>> There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on 
>>> the screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. 
>>> I have a laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch 
>>> input feature.
>>> As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to 
>>> Mac devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a 
>>> laptop-style, vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with 
>>> that, but, then, I'm faster with a keyboard anyway.
>>> Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a 
>>> Mac - I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is

RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

Sorry, I’m new to the Mac and am getting the terms confused.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

Hi,

That is correct, although that is a different feature than Sticky Keys.  VO 
does have the key lock as you’ve mentioned as well as single key navigation on 
the web.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 7, 2021, at 15:15, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.

This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.

To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.

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2021-12-07 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

That is correct, although that is a different feature than Sticky Keys.  VO 
does have the key lock as you’ve mentioned as well as single key navigation on 
the web.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Dec 7, 2021, at 15:15, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.
> This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for 
> anyone who has problems with those multi finger commands.
> To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
> configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>  
> Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with 
> dexterity issues.
> 
> - Brad -
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper  > wrote:
>  
> Thanks.
> It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the 
> sticky keys option on the Mac.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>  
> The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:
>  
> • on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
> required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, 
> but remains for the application of focus.
> • There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
> equivalent app on iPad.
>  
> I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
> Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
> herself.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Mohamed E. Fayed 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>>  
>> Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
>> operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is 
>> a completely different experience than an iPad.
>> 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an 
>> iPad.
>> JAWS is a keyboard first option.
>> I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.
>>  
>> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>>  
>>  
>> On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:
>>> The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the 
>>> keyboard or physically use the mouse.
>>> I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
>>> Mac’s trackpad commander.
>>>  
>> There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on 
>> the screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I 
>> have a laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input 
>> feature.
>> As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to 
>> Mac devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a 
>> laptop-style, vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, 
>> but, then, I'm faster with a keyboard anyway.
>> Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a 
>> Mac - I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too 
>> old for it.
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2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

If I understand correctly, you can lock the VO keys with capslock +semicolon.

This reduces the number of keystrokes you need which could be handy for anyone 
who has problems with those multi finger commands.

To be fair you can have the same problem on a Windows Laptop if you can’t 
configure the FN key functions without going into BIOS.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.


- Brad -

 

 

 

 

On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 






On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.




- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.

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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

I understand that the operating systems are different, but I always try to look 
for similarities to make the learning curve a little easier.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

There are some similarities in the keyboard commands, but the operating systems 
are very different.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:39, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The keyboard shortcuts are similar though, right?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.

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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Brad Snyder

Not really.  The use of Sticky Keys is intended for individuals with dexterity 
issues.

- Brad -




On Dec 7, 2021, at 14:07, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:

Thanks.
It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
 
The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:
 
• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.
• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.
 
I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.
 
Regards,
 
Mohamed E. Fayed 


> On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
>  
> Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
> operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
> completely different experience than an iPad.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper  > wrote:
> 
> 
> If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an 
> iPad.
> JAWS is a keyboard first option.
> I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.
>  
> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>  
>  
> On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:
>> The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the 
>> keyboard or physically use the mouse.
>> I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
>> Mac’s trackpad commander.
>>  
> There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
> screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have 
> a laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input 
> feature.
> As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to 
> Mac devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a 
> laptop-style, vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, 
> but, then, I'm faster with a keyboard anyway.
> Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a 
> Mac - I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too 
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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Brad Snyder

There are some similarities in the keyboard commands, but the operating systems 
are very different.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:39, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:

The keyboard shortcuts are similar though, right?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.
JAWS is a keyboard first option.
I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:
> The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the 
> keyboard or physically use the mouse.
> I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
> Mac’s trackpad commander.
>  
There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.
As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.
Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

Too many interactions is a matter of opinion, and a misconception from my 
prospective.  Using the interaction model can often make your navigation much 
quicker than without if you use it properly.  Think of it like looking for your 
friend’s kitchen in a town.  When the interaction model is being used, the town 
is considered a group of items, the houses within the town are also independent 
groups of items within the town, and there are rooms and more within each house 
that are grouped and so on.  So, for example, you come to the town, and there’s 
all these houses.  You can go past all the houses that you know are not your 
friend’s house because there’s no need to interact with those houses.  You 
arrive at the correct address of your friend’s house, then interact with only 
his house.  Once inside his house, you can move through the rooms quickly 
finding the kitchen.   You did not need to bother yourself with any other 
house, because it did not belong to your friend.  Very quick navigation if used 
correctly, and if you understand the premise behind the model.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:41, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:
> 
> The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:
> 
> • on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
> required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, 
> but remains for the application of focus.
> • There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
> equivalent app on iPad.
> 
> I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
> Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
> herself.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mohamed E. Fayed 
> 
>> On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
>> operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is 
>> a completely different experience than an iPad.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an 
>> iPad.
>> JAWS is a keyboard first option.
>> I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.
>>  
>> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:
>> The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the 
>> keyboard or physically use the mouse.
>> I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
>> Mac’s trackpad commander.
>>  
>> There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on 
>> the screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I 
>> have a laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input 
>> feature.
>> 
>> As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to 
>> Mac devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a 
>> laptop-style, vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, 
>> but, then, I'm faster with a keyboard anyway.
>> 
>> Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a 
>> Mac - I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too 
>> old for it.
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I'm trying to set permissions on Google Drive so that anyone I send a link to 
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find it. I'd prefer not to have to give each individual permission to view it. 
how should I handle this for best results?

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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

Thanks.

It is my understanding that there are less keys to press if you use the sticky 
keys option on the Mac.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Muhammad Fayed
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

 

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.

• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

 

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

 

Regards,

 

Mohamed E. Fayed 





On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.



- Brad -


On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.

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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Muhammad Fayed

The differences are summarized in two main points from my experience:

• on Mac, you require too many interactions, which I hope they make it less 
required or add an optional mode to be similar to that of iPhone and iPad, but 
remains for the application of focus.
• There are  more buttons on screen of Mac and its apps compared to the 
equivalent app on iPad.

I don’t remember another difference now, since most of my usage is iPhone and 
Mac. Sometimes I use the iPad to help my mother in something she can’t do 
herself.

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

> On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:35 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
> operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
> completely different experience than an iPad.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> 
> If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an 
> iPad.
> JAWS is a keyboard first option.
> I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.
>  
> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>  
>  
> 
> On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:
> The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the 
> keyboard or physically use the mouse.
> I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
> Mac’s trackpad commander.
>  
> There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
> screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have 
> a laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input 
> feature.
> 
> As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to 
> Mac devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a 
> laptop-style, vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, 
> but, then, I'm faster with a keyboard anyway.
> 
> Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a 
> Mac - I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too 
> old for it.
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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

The keyboard shortcuts are similar though, right?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
it.

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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Brad Snyder

Actually, the operating environment Onamac is completely different from the 
operating environment on an iPad. With or without a touchscreen, the Mac is a 
completely different experience than an iPad.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 13:14, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:


If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.
JAWS is a keyboard first option.
I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.
 
From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
 
 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:
The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.
I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.
 
There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Muhammad Fayed

Yeah. I know that. It is like having a touch screen in the window of an 
application of focus.

I like it because it delivers experience of using landscape iPhone in addition 
to capabilities of keyboard of Mac.

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 



> On 7 Dec 2021, at 9:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Also, the Max trackpad commander is not a utility for moving the mouse arrow 
> around the screen. Its function is something completely different altogether.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:58, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I find it interesting that most JAWS users have no idea that the JAWS cursor 
> is  the mouse cursor.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:44, Rebecca Skipper  > wrote:
> 
> 
> The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the 
> keyboard or physically use the mouse.
> I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
> Mac’s trackpad commander.
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 1:41 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Me neither.  In fact, I attended Sight Tech Global last week, and heard 
> Windows screen reader users lamenting about not really having a concept of 
> how mouse navigation behaved.  VoiceOver has had that from the start.  Now, 
> TrackPad Commander wasn’t there from the start, but mouse and trackpad 
> navigation definitely was.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 11:35, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
>  
> I'm not aware of any such thing.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:26, Muhammad Fayed  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Hope my mail finds you well,
> 
> I. Wonder whether there is a feature on windows similar to trackpad commander 
> on Mac OS. It doesn’t matter whether it works with JAWS or NVDA. 
> 
> Thank you so much,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mohamed E. Fayed 
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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

If Apple added touch screens to Macs, there would be no point in having an iPad.

JAWS is a keyboard first option.

I’ve never found touch screens to be very efficient outside IOS.

 

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

 

On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending on the 
screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch screen. I have a 
laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use the touch input feature.

As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input to Mac 
devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a laptop-style, 
vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with that, but, then, I'm 
faster with a keyboard anyway.

Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display for a Mac 
- I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my iPad is too old for 
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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries



On 7/12/21 13:44, Rebecca Skipper wrote:


The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the 
keyboard or physically use the mouse.


I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near 
the Mac’s trackpad commander.



There is also touch support available (with various gestures depending 
on the screen reader used), if you have a Windows device with a touch 
screen. I have a laptop that is capable of it, but I almost never use 
the touch input feature.


As I recall, one of Apple's arguments for not adding touch screen input 
to Mac devices is that it's generally inconvenient to be touching a 
laptop-style, vertically oriented display frequently. I can agree with 
that, but, then, I'm faster with a keyboard anyway.


Apple also offers the ability to use an iPad as an additional display 
for a Mac - I don't know how accessible this is with VoiceOver, as my 
iPad is too old for it.


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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Brad Snyder

Also, the Max trackpad commander is not a utility for moving the mouse arrow 
around the screen. Its function is something completely different altogether.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:58, Brad Snyder  wrote:

I find it interesting that most JAWS users have no idea that the JAWS cursor 
is  the mouse cursor.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:44, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:


The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.
I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.
 
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 1:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
 
Hi,
 
Me neither.  In fact, I attended Sight Tech Global last week, and heard Windows 
screen reader users lamenting about not really having a concept of how mouse 
navigation behaved.  VoiceOver has had that from the start.  Now, TrackPad 
Commander wasn’t there from the start, but mouse and trackpad navigation 
definitely was.
 
Later…
 

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Dec 7, 2021, at 11:35, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
I'm not aware of any such thing.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:26, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:

Hi,

Hope my mail finds you well,

I. Wonder whether there is a feature on windows similar to trackpad commander 
on Mac OS. It doesn’t matter whether it works with JAWS or NVDA.

Thank you so much,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Brad Snyder

I find it interesting that most JAWS users have no idea that the JAWS cursor is 
 the mouse cursor.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:44, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:


The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.
I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.
 
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 1:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows
 
Hi,
 
Me neither.  In fact, I attended Sight Tech Global last week, and heard Windows 
screen reader users lamenting about not really having a concept of how mouse 
navigation behaved.  VoiceOver has had that from the start.  Now, TrackPad 
Commander wasn’t there from the start, but mouse and trackpad navigation 
definitely was.
 
Later…
 

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Dec 7, 2021, at 11:35, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
I'm not aware of any such thing.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:26, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:

Hi,

Hope my mail finds you well,

I. Wonder whether there is a feature on windows similar to trackpad commander 
on Mac OS. It doesn’t matter whether it works with JAWS or NVDA.

Thank you so much,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Muhammad Fayed

Ok, I thought the problem was with me that I was not able to find something 
like that!

I like it too much personally and it is very convenient to assign many commands 
to it and use it, especially when I’m not working. It’s fun and changing the 
way of interaction with my MBP is somewhat to change mood.

Sometimes, it is easier to reach out where I want using the trackpad commander 
than keyboard.

Thank you so much for your replies.

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 


> On 7 Dec 2021, at 8:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Me neither.  In fact, I attended Sight Tech Global last week, and heard 
> Windows screen reader users lamenting about not really having a concept of 
> how mouse navigation behaved.  VoiceOver has had that from the start.  Now, 
> TrackPad Commander wasn’t there from the start, but mouse and trackpad 
> navigation definitely was.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 11:35, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not aware of any such thing.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:26, Muhammad Fayed > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Hope my mail finds you well,
>> 
>> I. Wonder whether there is a feature on windows similar to trackpad 
>> commander on Mac OS. It doesn’t matter whether it works with JAWS or NVDA. 
>> 
>> Thank you so much,
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
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RE: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Rebecca Skipper

The only thing Windows users can do is simulate mouse clicks with the keyboard 
or physically use the mouse.

I think JAWS will recognize mouse movements, but this is no where near the 
Mac’s trackpad commander.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 1:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

 

Hi,

 

Me neither.  In fact, I attended Sight Tech Global last week, and heard Windows 
screen reader users lamenting about not really having a concept of how mouse 
navigation behaved.  VoiceOver has had that from the start.  Now, TrackPad 
Commander wasn’t there from the start, but mouse and trackpad navigation 
definitely was.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Dec 7, 2021, at 11:35, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

I'm not aware of any such thing.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:26, Muhammad Fayed mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi,

Hope my mail finds you well,

I. Wonder whether there is a feature on windows similar to trackpad commander 
on Mac OS. It doesn’t matter whether it works with JAWS or NVDA. 

Thank you so much,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

Me neither.  In fact, I attended Sight Tech Global last week, and heard Windows 
screen reader users lamenting about not really having a concept of how mouse 
navigation behaved.  VoiceOver has had that from the start.  Now, TrackPad 
Commander wasn’t there from the start, but mouse and trackpad navigation 
definitely was.

Later…


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Dec 7, 2021, at 11:35, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> 
> - Brad -
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> On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:26, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Hope my mail finds you well,
> 
> I. Wonder whether there is a feature on windows similar to trackpad commander 
> on Mac OS. It doesn’t matter whether it works with JAWS or NVDA. 
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> Thank you so much,
> 
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> Mohamed E. Fayed 
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Re: Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Brad Snyder

I'm not aware of any such thing.

- Brad -

On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:26, Muhammad Fayed  wrote:

Hi,

Hope my mail finds you well,

I. Wonder whether there is a feature on windows similar to trackpad commander 
on Mac OS. It doesn’t matter whether it works with JAWS or NVDA. 

Thank you so much,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

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Equivalent to Trackpad Commander on windows

2021-12-07 Thread Muhammad Fayed

Hi,

Hope my mail finds you well,

I. Wonder whether there is a feature on windows similar to trackpad commander 
on Mac OS. It doesn’t matter whether it works with JAWS or NVDA. 

Thank you so much,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

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Re: disabling voice over commands with particular applications

2021-12-07 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

In addition to Jonathan’s advice, there is also the “Ignore Next Keypress” 
command in VoiceOver.  It’s VO-tab.  This will tell VO to ignore the next 
keypress allowing you to use other app shortcuts.  I use this in Google 
Docs/Sheets/Slides occasionally.  It’s an extra keypress, but an option for you.

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Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Dec 7, 2021, at 05:59, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I switched VoiceOver to only use the capslock key as a modifier. As far as I 
> know, this creates no conflicts with other programs. This can be changed in 
> the general area of VoiceOver utility.
> There is one VO command that will still use control-option when you do this 
> that is for turning off Numpad commander, instead of being capslock-numpad 
> clear, it is control-option-numpad clear.
> Can you tell me a bit more about this editor? I use Visual Studio Code right 
> now while working with code and find its whole plugin structure a bit clunky. 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 1:56 AM Yuma Decaux  > wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Anyone know how to either disable or privilege an app's own shortcut keys? I 
> use a comprehensive code editor called textmate and there are some very 
> useful commands which conflict with voice over. I've managed to get some 
> keyboard maestro commands to loose priority over textmate's commands, but not 
> sure how to go about this with voice over's default shortcuts.
> 
> Any help greatly appreciated
> 
> yuma 
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Re: test

2021-12-07 Thread Herbie Allen

Yes

> On Dec 6, 2021, at 20:27, Gerry Cook  wrote:
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Fwd: disabling voice over commands with particular applications

2021-12-07 Thread Jonathan Cohn

I switched VoiceOver to only use the capslock key as a modifier. As far as
I know, this creates no conflicts with other programs. This can be changed
in the general area of VoiceOver utility.
There is one VO command that will still use control-option when you do this
that is for turning off Numpad commander, instead of being capslock-numpad
clear, it is control-option-numpad clear.
Can you tell me a bit more about this editor? I use Visual Studio Code
right now while working with code and find its whole plugin structure a bit
clunky.

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 1:56 AM Yuma Decaux  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Anyone know how to either disable or privilege an app's own shortcut keys?
> I use a comprehensive code editor called textmate and there are some very
> useful commands which conflict with voice over. I've managed to get some
> keyboard maestro commands to loose priority over textmate's commands, but
> not sure how to go about this with voice over's default shortcuts.
>
> Any help greatly appreciated
>
> yuma
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