Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses?

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I have the metal Rayban glasses and they are of sort of every day usefulness including for the blind but not as specific in the kind of information as the Celeste classes. There is a good Facebook group called Blind uses of meta Rayban glasses which you might want to join even in advance of deciding whether to buy the glassesOn 26 Jun 2024, at 03:44, joseph hodge  wrote:I had them then sent them back. For me they were super uncomfortable on my nose. Also meta-AI is not nearly as good as GPT! It’s probably in the middle between GEMINI and GPT.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 25, 2024, at 10:41 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:I’ll take a look at that. I was hoping to get some input from someone who might be using them. Thanks. Eileen  From: 'Patrick Ford' via MacVisionaries  Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:27 PMTo: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Anyone Know About Ray-Ban Smart Glasses? Hi, if you go to meta.com you could read all about the Ray-Ban Maya Smart glasses. They’re also sold at Amazon. There’s a few different styles I believe three styles there are $300 with some of the colors and newer styles. go up in price to about 379 I believe but the beta site will tell you all the prices. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 25, 2024, at 4:02 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani ' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi All, Sorry if this might be a little off-topic, but I recently heard an ad for Ray-Ban Smart Glasses which seemed to indicate the glasses could take a shot and read back information/text to the wearer. I am wondering if anyone has these glasses and if they are a good or helpful device for a totally blind person? Are the Ray-Ban glasses anything like the Orcam. Also are they Apple compatible? Any first-hand info about them is appreciated. I’ve looked on line and it lists specs, but I’m not finding if they are helpful for a blind person. Eileen-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/000701dac753%24c662d5f0%24532881d0%24%40verizon.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6E53488C-C700-490B-9EF7-0B16EA01D720%40icloud.com.



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Re: Flashlight on iPhone 15 Pro

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Many of us have requested this but no change yet.  No way to remove from 
lockscreen! 
Just turn your phone round every now and then to check if you are dazzled? 

> On 25 Mar 2024, at 15:14, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> Is there any way to remove Flashlight from the lock screen of my iPhone 15 
> Pro running IOS 17.4.1? While trying to do FaceID I sometimes accidentally 
> turn flashlight on. Using VO and wearing hearing aids it is sometimes 
> difficult to hear the difference between on and off. It would help if 
> flashlight were not an option on this screen.
> Many thanks … Paul Hopewell
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Duplicates

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on my M1 mac, running the latest Sonoma software I am not using Apple Music as 
I have a lot of my own music in the music app, but I have recently realised 
that I have hundreds and hundreds of duplicates which has bumped up my storage 
to 173 GB! is there an accessible way with VoiceOver to delete the duplicates 
whilst keeping the best copy? I presume there will be an app but I have no idea.
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Re: ios 17 and two voiceOvers

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I use Serena Enhanced but Daniel keeps butting in on my watch Series 9 here in 
UK
HARRY

> On 12 Oct 2023, at 22:55, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
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> Hi
> 
> I'm also using Alex and have experienced this issue. I agree with what 
> Christopher said that it is probably a bug within Alex.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> 
> Gabe Griffith
> President, California Council of the Blind
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> 
>> On Oct 12, 2023, at 9:18 AM, christopher moore  wrote:
>> 
>> OK.  The athreee of us are using Alex.  I just downloaded the compact 
>> Nathan voice and assigned it to English-US.  Maybe it’s an Alex problem.  
>> 
>> Thanks for your feedback.
>> Chris
>> 
 On Oct 12, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes. I have the exact same problem with switching between Alex and 
>>> Samantha. I can’t figure out when or why it happens. But when it does, it’s 
>>> annoying, and as you say, voiceover becomes extremely sluggish.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Oct 12, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
 
 I have, mine loves to occasionally switch from Alex to Samantha then back 
 again.  I just took it as Apple trying to temporarily patch the bug that’s 
 been a constant where Alex temporarily would stop speaking until it could 
 be fixed, but even if that is the case, I can’t stand the “cover it up” 
 mentality too many people have regarding anything, until it gets so bad 
 someone is forced to deal with it, and then is 10 times worse and even 
 harder to fix.
 
> On Oct 12, 2023, at 10:15 AM, christopher moore  
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> Hello,
> Occasionally my iPhone switches from my standard VO voice to a siri 
> voice.  When this happens the screen navigation becomes sluggish.  My 
> normal voice eventually returns, but this behavior is extremely annoying.
> 
> Anyone else had similar experiences?
> 
> Chris
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Re: Question regarding the BeMyAi feature.

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Currently all faces are blurred out so there is no description of faces. They 
told me that this is because of a privacy law in some US state - but they hope 
to develop a way round this at some point! 
Harry 

> On 2 Sep 2023, at 22:36, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> I’ve just signed up for and been granted access to the BeMyAi beta feature, 
> which I’m really enjoying.  However, I had no idea when I noticed others 
> before me who were granted access sharing photos on Facebook along with the 
> alt text this feature provides, that you unfortunately can’t share pictures 
> you’ve taken within the app itself.
>  In everyone’s opinion: how realistic of an approach do you think this would 
> be to request that this be a feature that can be added, before I share 
> feedback with them requesting it?
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Re: Opening a link in a text message on iPhone

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If you have links in your rotor you can turn the rotor to links Ren swipe down 
with one finger till you land on the link and then Double Tap
Harry

> On 2 Sep 2023, at 10:50, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I am running the latest IOS 16 on my iPhone SE 2020.
> My GP surgery in the UK sends text messages about flue jabs and covid jabs to 
> all patients with a link to a web site where you can book an appointment.
> Using VoiceOver how can I open this link? I tried double tapping on the https 
> etc address and nothing happens.
> Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell 
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Re: Mac Mail moving messages to Junk Mail

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I am noticing this same problem on my iOS devices too! Harry

> On 23 Jul 2023, at 16:36, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
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> Dear List,
> For the last two weeks, My Mac Mail iCloud account has been moving emails to 
> the junk folder.
> I disabled the junk mail, but it continued to move emails to the junk folder.
> So I reenabled the junk mail feature, & chose to mark mail as junk, but leave 
> in the inbox.
> Guess what? It continued to move them to the junk folder.
> So be ware, this may be happending  to you without knowing it.
> So go check the junk folder.
> I heard on a podcast that others were having trouble with the Mac  junk mail. 
> They said if you move email from the junk folder to the inbox folder, that it 
> would train the junk filter, but this is not working. I am moving about 60 
> emails per day from the junk folder.
> I also reset the junk filter with no luck.
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> Thanks for any help,
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Re: IOS: how to read TXT files in iCloud drive

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if you double tap and hold on the text, file, you get a pop-up menu, including 
the share option. You can then use that share sheet to open the text file in 
perhaps voice dream writer if you want to read and edit it. It can then be 
exported either as a text, file or as a M Microsoft word file.
Regards
Harry 
> On 9 Apr 2023, at 11:26, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I need to share some TXT files between my iMac and my iPhone using iCloud 
> drive. I can edit these files on my iMac using TextEdit butt when I do a 1 
> finger double tap on a TXT file on iCloud drive the file is opened by Dolphin 
> EasyReader  which is not ideal. I need to read the file line by line by 1 
> finger flip up and flip down. I suspect that I can associate a different App 
> to process a file on IOS by choosing the share option. I really need to set 
> up an appropriate App to process all TXT files on iCloud drive. My top 
> priority is to read the files on IOS and it would be good but not essential 
> if I could edit these files as well on IOS.
> I would welcome any suggestions.
> Many thanks … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Simple Text Editors

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Voice Dream Writer app opens into the last text file used. I leave it with a file open with just one blank space, so it is ready for action. The app is designed for Blind folk to edit text and has brilliant features. HarryOn 30 Jan 2023, at 00:39, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:THe translation app could be used in a pinch. Just set both languages to English-US . Or even the mail app just keep a draft at the bottom and don’t put any recipients in the to or cc fields.That being said, I am sure there are some simple text editing applications for the IOS platform. 



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Re: speech to text

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An app called Just Press Record does this on iPhone or iPad. HarryOn 14 Dec 2022, at 23:28, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Use Live Captions on Macsupport.apple.comOn Dec 15, 2022, at 09:55, Lorie McCloud  wrote:where is it? is it Mac or ios?On Dec 14, 2022, at 4:52 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  wrote:On 15/12/22 08:10, Lorie McCloud wrote:is there an app or program for turning speech into text? seems like dictation would work except that usually you speak into that and I want to convert a recording of speech.There's a "live text" feature that can transcribe from any audio playing on the device.I don't know how accessible it is from VoiceOver or whether the transcripts can be saved anywhere.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/9aa17a93-b519-4419-1016-1e71eb31a395%40jasonjgw.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/AB8E3FC5-3A51-4278-B885-A9FF35370DB7%40gmail.com.



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Re: iPhone 14 VO issue

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Sorry, wrong recipient

Harry UK 

> On 13 Oct 2022, at 06:33, Harry Bell  wrote:
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> Grand, busy bee! But I’m busy until 12.10, so can we talk after then? X
> 
> Harry UK 
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>> On 13 Oct 2022, at 02:00, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Did you perform the upgrade to iOS 16.0.3? I don’t know whether that will 
>> solve the problem, but it’s important to do nonetheless.
>> I haven’t encountered this problem, but I’m using a considerably older phone.
>> 
 On Oct 11, 2022, at 18:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Yesterday I got my new iPhone 14 Pro.  So far I’m liking it.  But I’m 
>>> noticing one odd VO thing.  When I restart the phone, it comes up using the 
>>> Samantha voice, even though I have the Siri voice 4 as my default voice.  
>>> If I turn VO off and back on, it uses my selected voice, but I’d rather not 
>>> have to turn VO off and on again whenever I need to restart the phone.  
>>> Anyone else experienced this?  Anyone have any ideas for a fix?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: iPhone 14 VO issue

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Grand, busy bee! But I’m busy until 12.10, so can we talk after then? X

Harry UK 

> On 13 Oct 2022, at 02:00, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> Did you perform the upgrade to iOS 16.0.3? I don’t know whether that will 
> solve the problem, but it’s important to do nonetheless.
> I haven’t encountered this problem, but I’m using a considerably older phone.
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2022, at 18:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Yesterday I got my new iPhone 14 Pro.  So far I’m liking it.  But I’m 
>> noticing one odd VO thing.  When I restart the phone, it comes up using the 
>> Samantha voice, even though I have the Siri voice 4 as my default voice.  If 
>> I turn VO off and back on, it uses my selected voice, but I’d rather not 
>> have to turn VO off and on again whenever I need to restart the phone.  
>> Anyone else experienced this?  Anyone have any ideas for a fix?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Captcha recognition

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If you have a smartphone, you could get sighted help via the Be My Eyes app
Harry

> On 5 Sep 2022, at 16:22, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
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> Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari?  The particular one has no 
> audio equivalent.
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> Andrew
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Re: Clicking links embedded in iOS text messages

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So have I
Harry

> On 5 May 2022, at 19:13, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I’ve experienced this not working, too.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> On May 5, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> This used to work reliably. It’s been broken for quite some time, and yes I 
>> have reported it. Occasionally it works. Mostly it does not. Even when I’m 
>> right on the text that says “link“, when I turn my rotor to links and flick 
>> up or down, nothing. I don’t know why, but mostly it’s a Knogo.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 5, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Set your rotor to Links, and then swipe up or down as appropriate. This 
>>> should place focus on the link, where you can do a one finger double tap to 
>>> execute the link.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
 On May 5, 2022, at 11:13, Phil Halton  wrote:
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>>> How does one go about interacting with links that are embedded in text 
>>> messages in the iOS message app? I don’t use a lot of texting, but 
>>> occasionally I need to click a link in a message that was sent to me and 
>>> for the life of me I can’t find any way of clicking that link. It is 
>>> reported by voiceover as a link, but there is no links in the rotor and if 
>>> I navigate to it by word and land on it and try to click that doesn’t even 
>>> work. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: VoiceOver stopped working on log in page .

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It is a bug I have known and reported ever since Monterey started with 
filevault enabled on an M one Mac.  And the solution is to press command and F5 
or double tap on the trackpad. Harry

> On 19 Apr 2022, at 14:15, N2KPV  wrote:
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> Hello All ,   This morning my mac stopped speaking on the logon page . Can 
> anyone help with this problem ?
> 
> Thanx in advance  Ben 
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Portable preferences

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I want to use a memory stick to create portable preferences. I have read the 
apple of this tutorial but I have no idea what it means when it talks about 
preparing the memory stick by putting on a disk image. Can someone explain this 
part to me? “ First thing to do is to make yourself a read/write (RW) image in 
Disk Utility, which can be found in /Applications/Utilities. I gave mine 1 
partition, with a GUID partition table, which I don't think matters, but made 
me feel like I had something to talk about all the same. It's read / write, and 
is 40 MB (the smallest that I could set it too). When it's made, simply open it 
from wherever you stored it.

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Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

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On my M1 MacBook Pro yesterday I set up VoiceOver to start at the login screen 
all over again. When it restarted, VoiceOver worked fine. Today VoiceOver did 
not start at the login screen so I was very glad to have the hint to tap twice 
on the touchpad! That did work!
Harry

> On 15 Mar 2022, at 16:15, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
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> They don’t stick. This is happening on some machines. I have had at least 
> four instructors go through these steps and I have done this myself several 
> times. I think there may be an issue with this feature at this time.
> Merv
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> 
>> On Mar 15, 2022, at 12:11 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, In Monterey, go to Users & Groups, then unlock the pane, then 
>> select Login Options from the Users, Groups & Login Options list.  There 
>> will be a button there called Accessibility Options.  This will open a 
>> screen with a table of accessibility options.  Make sure that VoiceOver is 
>> checked, apply your changes, and restart your computer to see if the changes 
>> stick.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2022, at 01:07, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> It is in system preferences, users, login options. 
>>> I have not got this to work on my M1 MacBook Pro nor on previous Mac mini
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>>> On 15 Mar 2022, at 06:14, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Okay, I forgot. Just installed Monterey, and VO is not speaking at the 
>>>> logon prompt.
>>>> Where do I go to make this work?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dave Carlson
>>>> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

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It is in system preferences, users, login options. 
I have not got this to work on my M1 MacBook Pro nor on previous Mac mini
Harry

> On 15 Mar 2022, at 06:14, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Okay, I forgot. Just installed Monterey, and VO is not speaking at the logon 
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> Where do I go to make this work?
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Re: Connecting Brailliant Bi 40 X to Mac via hub?

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Thank you, everyone - I’ll get a powered hub instead!
Harry

> On 9 Mar 2022, at 18:01, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> I expect that it is a power distribution issue.  Your Braille display 
> requires a certain amount of power to run properly.  I suspect that the hub 
> you’re using does not have PD ports, thus you’re not getting enough power to 
> properly run the device.
> 
> Later…
> 
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>> On Mar 9, 2022, at 10:34, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> 
>>>> Not wanting wear and tear on usb-c 
>>>> Ports on the Braille display nor on my  MacBook Pro 2021, I tried using a 
>>>> hub so I could leave the usb-c cable in the display and just plug the 
>>>> cable each time into the hub. But this does not work and the display does 
>>>> not connect. It only works when I connect the braille display and the 
>>>> MacBook Pro directly via an Apple usb-c to usb-c charging cable. Is using 
>>>> a hub impossible or should it be some special Thunderbolt four hub? Or a 
>>>> special thunderbolt four cable rather than an ordinary USB-C cable?
>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>>>> Harry
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Connecting Brailliant Bi 40 X to Mac via hub?

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

>> Not wanting wear and tear on usb-c 
>> Ports on the Braille display nor on my  MacBook Pro 2021, I tried using a 
>> hub so I could leave the usb-c cable in the display and just plug the cable 
>> each time into the hub. But this does not work and the display does not 
>> connect. It only works when I connect the braille display and the MacBook 
>> Pro directly via an Apple usb-c to usb-c charging cable. Is using a hub 
>> impossible or should it be some special Thunderbolt four hub? Or a special 
>> thunderbolt four cable rather than an ordinary USB-C cable?
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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VoiceOver and speak text under mouse pointer clashing and echoing?

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I am running Monterrey on a MacBook Pro M1 2021 and I use VoiceOver and also 
have it set to speak text under the mouse pointer because I have a tiny amount 
of sight left which I like to use sometimes. But I find that some of the time 
especially when there are drop-down menus and I move the mouse pointer down 
them at some point in the table the voice will start gabbling away and echoing  
as if there is a clash between VoiceOver and speak text under the mouse. Used 
to work perfectly well a while back, even I think in the early versions of 
Monterey but that recently has started being very problematic. I have just 
spent an hour and a half on the phone with Apple Accessibility who tried 
resetting VoiceOver settings, turning hints off and reducing verbosity to LOW 
but the problem persists. Has anybody else had any experience of this?
Thanks
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Re: Braille on IOS

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I also want to learn to use Braille display with Mac - the command to stop 
interacting does not work with my Brailliant Bi 40 X and Apple Accessibility 
have confirmed this and are investigating. 
Harry

> On 15 Feb 2022, at 22:22, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Just to let you all know that Scott (not sure how to spell his surname) is 
> doing a brilliant series on Braille with IOS on the Braillist Foundation 
> website.  If I can learn how to do the braille on the Mac then I’ll be sorted 
> but it’s not there for me yet.  If anyone knows if the command keys (doing it 
> with the braille display) is the same on the Mac, please do let me know as 
> I’ve been trying to do it but with not a lot of luck.
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> Thanks.
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

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I found that the way to get past that message about not having permission was 
to swipe to the log in button, double tap and then log in and then go back to 
the email, click again on the link and now I get an option to sign up to the 
group!
Harry

> On 28 Jan 2022, at 21:41, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Well, I don’t have an official invitation yet, but I did try clicking on the 
> link that was in the original message where you could supposedly go and get a 
> group subscription link that way. Except I got the same message that Max did. 
> You don’t have permission to access this content. You can try logging in, but 
> to do that, you must already be subscribed. I really don’t like Google. It’s 
> too bad we can’t go to groups.io.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> clicking on the link in the invite email takes me to a 404 error page not 
>> found.
>> Cara clicking on the link in your message to the list says I don’t have 
>> access to that page also.
>> Can anybody give me any pointers?
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Max
>> 
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>>> hey Max, no worries and you’re not thick! :)
>>> 
>>> yes, go ahead and click on the link in the email to accept the invitation.
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
 
 hi,
 I am a bit thick I know! If we receive an invitation does that mean we 
 then click on the link to join?
 Or is this not necessary?
 Max.
 
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Re: Question about passwords

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That is now in its own section in the main Settings menu called “Passwords”
Harry

> On 16 Oct 2021, at 14:43, N2KPV  wrote:
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> Hello everyone ,I notice with the recent update I can no longer see my 
> passwords in Safari settings .  There used to be a place to check "Show 
> passwords ", but I do not see that anymore .  I am hoping  its just something 
> I am overlooking.  
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Re: iOS 15 Books Navigation Problems

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

Twice in the iOS 15 cycle I’ve been unable to interact with the Books screen - 
both times solved by Scott Davert’s suggestion of deleting and tgen 
redownloading the Books app. 
Harry

> On 15 Oct 2021, at 22:53, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
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> I’ve had this happen as well.  It’s fixed for me though now and I can’t 
> recall if it was fixed before the release of of the latest update, or if it 
> is in one of the Betas of 15.1.  I’d submit a frustration report anyway.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
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>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:48 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi all.
>> 
>> Anyone having trouble with the Books app on iOS 15 and VoiceOver? 
>> Specifically, navigation is inconsistent, pages appear to be blank, links 
>> are all that can be focussed, and other such discomforts that, for all 
>> practical purposes, make the thing unusable? I’m getting this whatever font, 
>> size, scrolling view or theme I’m in, and with a number of books, in 
>> different spots on different devices, so I think it’s a bug, but I’d 
>> appreciate some confirmation. DRM strikes again—with no alternative, it’s 
>> frustrating!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sabahattin
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Re: VO not coming on at Startup on new MBA

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

If you have enabled FileVault, if you do set up VoiceOver to come in at login, 
there is a bug affecting M1 Mac mini at least; VoiceOver does not land in the 
password box and is unresponsive. You have to turn VoiceOver off and back on 
again. Apple accessibility is looking for a fix. 
Harry

> On 18 May 2021, at 17:40, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Here is what you need to do to set up VO to start at the logon screen:
> 1.  Go to System Preferences > Users & Groups.
> 2.  In the, "Users, groups and login options" List” table, select, “Login 
> Options”, from the table.
> 3.  You should select the lock so you can make changes, in order to continue.
> 4.  Navigate to the "Accessibility Options” button, and press VO + Space to 
> activate.
> 5.  Now, select the accessibility features you would like to enable at login, 
> and select the Apply button.
> 
> That should do it.
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 18, 2021, at 10:23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
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> On new MBA, VO does not come on at start up.  I can bring up the recovery 
> system voice in order to log in, but I would like VO to start at log in like 
> it has in the past.  I’ve looked in VO utility and system prefs, but don’t 
> see a setting that would address this. Any ideas?
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Re: confused with pages

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

Yes https://mosen.org/mymacpages/

> On 31 Dec 2020, at 10:29, 'Larry Honaker' via MacVisionaries 
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> I believe the book is still on the Mosen.org website.
> 
> 
> Larry W. Honaker
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> Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. 
> (Psalm 119:105 KJV)
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>> On Dec 31, 2020, at 5:16 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> In 2016 Anne & Archie Robertson had published a tutorial on Pages.  I can’t 
>> remember where you could buy it from but maybe googling might help?  It was 
>> a very good tutorial and it should still be relevant.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 Dec 2020, at 20:19, Chris Westbrook  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am confused when I try to open a docs file in pages. I seem to have a 
>>> document layout area that shows all of the pages, but I can't seem to edit 
>>> text in that. I opened the document in text edit and it read fine as 
>>> expected. Is there a good tutorial on pages or is there something I'm 
>>> missing? Thanks for helping me on my mac adventure.
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Re: What's happend to faceid.

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

Have you set up a new passcode since you did the reset? You must have an active 
passcode before you can set up Face ID. Reset removes passcode
Harry

> On 12 Oct 2020, at 14:52, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I had to do a restore of my Iphone XR today and now i can not setup face ID.
> When i come to the setting where i should just point my face to the camera 
> and move my head in a circle there’s nothing happening.
> THis worked for me flawlessly in Ios 13.
> Any thoughts?
> How about the light around me?
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
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Re: IOS 14.01 is out

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I just sold it by turning my phone off and back on again! Such basic things! 
Harry

> On 24 Sep 2020, at 21:26, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hmm. don't know anything about that because I don't have to call voicemail.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> On Sep 24, 2020, at 3:17 PM, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
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>> I’ve just installed it but now, when I ring voicemail and double tap 1 to 
>> hear messages, the digit is not recognised and tge call fails!
>> Harry
>> 
>>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 21:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Not sure what it fixes, but it's out if you want to grab it.
>>> Donna
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Re: IOS 14.01 is out

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I’ve just installed it but now, when I ring voicemail and double tap 1 to hear 
messages, the digit is not recognised and tge call fails!
Harry

> On 24 Sep 2020, at 21:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Not sure what it fixes, but it's out if you want to grab it.
> Donna
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Re: strange email behavior on my iPad

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

Replying to an email thread is never a problem - composing and sending a new 
email is where I notice a problem
Harry

> On 22 Sep 2020, at 13:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Strange. As you’ve just seen, turning mine off seems to have done the trick 
> for me.
> Cheers,
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> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Sep 22, 2020, at 3:05 AM, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
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>> My alias is already set to off and yet the problem occurs!
>> Harry
>> 
>>>> On 21 Sep 2020, at 22:19, M. Taylor  wrote:
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>>> So, in short, what you and I want is to send emails that display our .me 
>>> email address, only, not our iCloud alias; or any other iCloud alias, for 
>>> that matter.
>>> 
>>> To do this in OS 14, do the following:
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> From settings, select your name.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Select iCloud.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Near the bottom of the display, select Mail.  A dialog window will open.  
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Disable your iCloud alias by toggling it to Off.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> Select the Done button, near the upper right corner of the display, to save 
>>> your changes.
>>> 
>>> That's all there is to it.
>>> 
>>> Strangely enough, apparently, this is a feature that was introduced in OS 
>>> 13 but the default for aliases was automatically set to off
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Re: IOS 14 and Swiping Around Screen

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I’m also having the problem with VoiceOver focus in tge mail app on my iPhone 
SE running iOS 14, where deleting an email from the list of unread emails 
causes focus to leap randomly to focus on an email much higher up the list
Harry

> On 22 Sep 2020, at 00:40, Robin  wrote:
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> Glad that  I  Decided  Not to UpDate to Apple's iOS14, & I  have Never 
> encountered  any Bugs  or Flaws in the Software either Samsung's 1UI or 
> Google'sAndroid
> At 09:36 AM 9/21/2020, you wrote:
>> Hello Jeff,
>> 
>> Well, I installed iPad OS 14 last week and, last night, finally ran into the 
>> VoiceOver focus bug, as you described it.
>> 
>> Wow!  What a mess.  It happened when I open the OverDrive app.  Wow!  What a 
>> mess!!!
>> 
>> So far, I have not found any kind of workaround for this problem.  The focus 
>> problem does not rear its ugly head on all of the screens but on, of course, 
>> the most crucial ones in the app.
>> 
>> I am so glad I did not put iOS14 on my beloved 8 Plus.  Had I done so, I 
>> would be going crazy and, no doubt, doing my best to downgrade back to 13.7.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 3:52 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> Subject: IOS 14 and Swiping Around Screen
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I updated to IOS 14 earlier today and I’m finding that, when trying to 
>> swipe right around the screen, the Voiceover curser jumps around and goes 
>> back to the top of the screen.
>> 
>> Is anybody else experiencing this and, if so, do you have a work-around?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
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Re: strange email behavior on my iPad

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My alias is already set to off and yet the problem occurs!
Harry

> On 21 Sep 2020, at 22:19, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> So, in short, what you and I want is to send emails that display our .me 
> email address, only, not our iCloud alias; or any other iCloud alias, for 
> that matter.
> 
> To do this in OS 14, do the following:
> 
> 1.
> From settings, select your name.
> 
> 2.
> Select iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Near the bottom of the display, select Mail.  A dialog window will open.  
> 
> 4.
> Disable your iCloud alias by toggling it to Off.
> 
> 5.
> Select the Done button, near the upper right corner of the display, to save 
> your changes.
> 
> That's all there is to it.
> 
> Strangely enough, apparently, this is a feature that was introduced in OS 13 
> but the default for aliases was automatically set to off

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Re: strange email behavior on my iPad

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I’ve noticed this problem so often today that I’ve reported it to Apple, 
sending them an email I sent to this list but which bounced back because my 
iCloud email had changed itself yo32...@icloud.com being from my alias!
Harry

> On 21 Sep 2020, at 20:12, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Harry and Donna,
> 
> I can definitely confirm Donna’s experience on this.
> 
> If anyone finds a solution, please let us know.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:32 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: strange email behavior on my iPad
> 
> SInteresting! My default email address is my main @icloud.com one but, even 
> though I send emails from this address, since iOS 14 people have contacted me 
> to complain that my email had been sent from my alias instead (which they did 
> not recognise). Is there a problem with iCloud mail?
> Harry
> 
> 
> On 20 Sep 2020, at 20:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> As of today, when I try to email the list, the message seems to be being sent 
> via my iCloud.com address, rather than my me.com address. This despite the 
> fact that my me.com addie is the one displayed in the from Tab. I literally 
> couldn't get my last message to send from my iPad, i had to get on my Mac to 
> send it. Does anyone know how I might fix this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: strange email behavior on my iPad

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

SInteresting! My default email address is my main @icloud.com one but, even 
though I send emails from this address, since iOS 14 people have contacted me 
to complain that my email had been sent from my alias instead (which they did 
not recognise). Is there a problem with iCloud mail?
Harry

> On 20 Sep 2020, at 20:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> As of today, when I try to email the list, the message seems to be being sent 
> via my iCloud.com address, rather than my me.com address. This despite the 
> fact that my me.com addie is the one displayed in the from Tab. I literally 
> couldn't get my last message to send from my iPad, i had to get on my Mac to 
> send it. Does anyone know how I might fix this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: After upgrading to Watch 7, my watch no longer speaks the time when I tap it

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Joseph
Now I’ve tried what you described, I think you may well be right! Before the 
update, I did sometimes find that a double tap on the screen when asleep would 
lead to time being announced rather than haptic time - so this does work  better
Harry

> On 17 Sep 2020, at 16:25, joseph hodge  wrote:
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> So I actually think this is not a bug it’s just a change of behavior. So for 
> me on a series 4 if I tap once it wakes up the display I’m assuming if I tap 
> a second time speaks the time is normal. The thing I like about this is if I 
> tap once and then do a double tap it vibrates the time with no misfiring a 
> voice over speaking. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 9:03 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Good to know. I think I’ll contact Accessibility.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 7:56 AM, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tge same problem with my Watch Series 4
>>> Harry in uk
>>> 
>>>>> On 17 Sep 2020, at 13:50, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
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>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> This morning I upgraded to Watch 7, and now when I tap the watch it 
>>>> remains silent. I have to scroll up or down to get it to speak the time. 
>>>> Has anyone else experienced this? Beta testers, is this a known bug? I’ve 
>>>> got a series 4 and am using the modular face.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
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Re: After upgrading to Watch 7, my watch no longer speaks the time when I tap it

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I have tge same problem with my Watch Series 4
Harry in uk

> On 17 Sep 2020, at 13:50, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
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> This morning I upgraded to Watch 7, and now when I tap the watch it remains 
> silent. I have to scroll up or down to get it to speak the time. Has anyone 
> else experienced this? Beta testers, is this a known bug? I’ve got a series 4 
> and am using the modular face.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: pdf from our NDIS national disability insurance scheme

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Can you open it in the Books app?
Harry

> On 17 Aug 2020, at 11:01, Gerry Cook  wrote:
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> Hi everyone hope your all keeping safe,  I have received a pdf of a plan 
> from a government body,  for services i get over a 2 year time period.  
> 
> I can read the pdf on the iPhone but not on the mac with preview or foxit 
> reader or adobe acrobat.  I’ve tried 2 pdf pro light addition and pdfOCR x 
> community addition so what have people tried and i’m interested in thoughts 
> on abby fine reader and should i go to the expense? Thanks all.  
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Re: beta testers?

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One personal invite I got from Apple had as subject header “ AppleSeed:  You're 
Invited to test macOS Bug Sur!” - do you think their mid-spelling of the name 
is an ominous sign?
Harry

> On 28 Jun 2020, at 09:54, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> 
> Cheers,
> Ignore my previous message.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Kliph Senior
> Sent: Sunday, 28 June 2020 7:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: beta testers?
>  
> I am sorry, meant dev beta for 14
>  
> 
> 
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Kliph Senior  wrote:
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> If you are running the public beta, and would like to chat about it.  Contact 
> me at
> sturi...@icloud.com
> Gonna have a zoom meeting to discuss experiences and bugs.
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Re: "just press record" on apple watch

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Use Bluetooth earpiece?
Harry

> On 14 May 2020, at 15:35, Chris Moore  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I’m trying to use Just Press Record on the watch but can’t figure out how to 
> eliminate the voiceOver prompts from the recording.  Any thoughts?
> 
> Chris
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Re: Picker Items

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You could look into using the accessibility feature called voice control if 
your fingers aren’t steady enough?
Harry

> On 10 May 2020, at 03:58, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
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> I have to really wonder how this Double Tapping got so popular. My 
> Neurological Disorder (Ataxia) Does not let me Double Tap. I line up an Item 
> to Double Tap and I double Tap Left of the Item and or Right of the Item and 
> or Above the Item and or Below the Item. It is less Stressful and Frustrating 
> to wait for someone that can Double Tap.
> 
> Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
> Ghandi said, “ It is better to have a heart without words than words without 
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Re: Host of Updates

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I’ve just discovered that if you turn on voice control (and make sure you are 
using EarPods or headphones if using voiceover), you can instruct your iPhone 
to turn classic or smart invert colours on or off. Just a thought?
Harry

> On 29 Jan 2020, at 17:01, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Actually, the current situation under 13.3.1 is better than with the 
> previous iteration.  While iOS 13.3 fixed some things, it made some things 
> like Safari worse, and toggling Smart Invert did nothing to help.  At least 
> with 13.3.1, toggling Smart Invert has returned as an option in most cases.
> 
> Really wish I had stuck with iOS 12.4.1 on my iPhone X.  At least I resisted 
> the temptation, and did not update my iPad Pro, and it remains on 12.4.1.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:45, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for the clarification Brad.  Yeah, I much preferred dark screen with 
> lighter letters way back in the early 90's when I could actually see enough 
> to read a screen.  Sounds frustrating indeed.  I checked and there doesn't 
> even seem to be an option under the gesture commands to specify toggling Dark 
> Mode on and off.  That would save the side button some presses.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 08:49, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I have tried turning Dark Mode off, and just using Smart Invert like in iOS 
> 12, but once I turn on Smart Invert, Dark Mode is turned on and stays on.  I 
> have tried going with only Dark Mode, but there are too many issues for this 
> to be workable for me.  For now, I will just keep toggling the side button, 
> and hope I don’t wear the thing out.  LOL!
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 09:41, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> You have put the issues so well, Brad! I have reported this to Apple yet 
> again... Pages documents need Classic invert colours, many emails need Dark 
> mode to get the body of the email to appear as white text on dark background. 
> And with Smart invert on, try going into the App Store, find a new app and 
> try to share it by email: the email itself is glaring white and the keyboard 
> is impossible to read!
> Harry
> Harry
> 
>> On 29 Jan 2020, at 15:28, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> The issues continue with the latest 13.3.1 update.  Somethings are better 
>> than with the last update, like I am able to view Safari web pages with 
>> light text on a black background again, but the experience is inconsistent 
>> across different non-stock apps.  The good news is that at least toggling 
>> Smart Invert on/off seems to provide a fix that was not present in the last 
>> 13.3 update.
>> 
>> From what I understand, the issue has to do with the underlying code base, 
>> and the implementation of Dark Mode.  I really wish that Apple had just left 
>> things how it was in iOS 12, and rebranded Smart Invert as Dark Mode, and 
>> called it done.
>> 
>> What they have done is created a real mess for those of us who have vision 
>> issues that make using a dark background essential.  True, I am able to 
>> function using VoiceOver, but I suffer from having my one functional eye 
>> blasted with a bright white screen.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 01:04, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dark mode and smart invert are still a mess and I despair of them ever 
>> sorting it out! I’m still having to chop and change all the time between 
>> dark mode, smart and classic invert. 
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 28 Jan 2020, at 22:49, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, lets hope Apple addressed the ongoing issues with Dark Mode and 
>>> Smart Invert.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2020, at 16:16, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Not sure of the status of any VO enhancements or bugs or if they have been 
>>> addressed in these updates.  Apple released iOS and iPadOS 13.3.1 today for 
>>> iPhone/iPod/iPad/HomePod and I expect TVOS as well, although I didn't 
>>> check.  WatchOS 6.1.2 was also released.  There was also an update to 
>>> 10.15.3 Catalina for MacOS.  I've updated my Mac, iPad, iPhone and watch 
>>> with no noticeable flaws..  Supposedly some security enhancements, but 
>>> you'll not usually notice any performance or feature changes when security 
>>> is the 

Re: Host of Updates

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

You have put the issues so well, Brad! I have reported this to Apple yet 
again... Pages documents need Classic invert colours, many emails need Dark 
mode to get the body of the email to appear as white text on dark background. 
And with Smart invert on, try going into the App Store, find a new app and try 
to share it by email: the email itself is glaring white and the keyboard is 
impossible to read!
Harry
Harry

> On 29 Jan 2020, at 15:28, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The issues continue with the latest 13.3.1 update.  Somethings are better 
> than with the last update, like I am able to view Safari web pages with light 
> text on a black background again, but the experience is inconsistent across 
> different non-stock apps.  The good news is that at least toggling Smart 
> Invert on/off seems to provide a fix that was not present in the last 13.3 
> update.
> 
> From what I understand, the issue has to do with the underlying code base, 
> and the implementation of Dark Mode.  I really wish that Apple had just left 
> things how it was in iOS 12, and rebranded Smart Invert as Dark Mode, and 
> called it done.
> 
> What they have done is created a real mess for those of us who have vision 
> issues that make using a dark background essential.  True, I am able to 
> function using VoiceOver, but I suffer from having my one functional eye 
> blasted with a bright white screen.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 01:04, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dark mode and smart invert are still a mess and I despair of them ever 
> sorting it out! I’m still having to chop and change all the time between dark 
> mode, smart and classic invert. 
> Harry
> 
>>> On 28 Jan 2020, at 22:49, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>> Well, lets hope Apple addressed the ongoing issues with Dark Mode and Smart 
>> Invert.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 28, 2020, at 16:16, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Not sure of the status of any VO enhancements or bugs or if they have been 
>> addressed in these updates.  Apple released iOS and iPadOS 13.3.1 today for 
>> iPhone/iPod/iPad/HomePod and I expect TVOS as well, although I didn't check. 
>>  WatchOS 6.1.2 was also released.  There was also an update to 10.15.3 
>> Catalina for MacOS.  I've updated my Mac, iPad, iPhone and watch with no 
>> noticeable flaws..  Supposedly some security enhancements, but you'll not 
>> usually notice any performance or feature changes when security is the focus.
>> 
>> Update away if you wish :).
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
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Re: Host of Updates

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

Dark mode and smart invert are still a mess and I despair of them ever sorting 
it out! I’m still having to chop and change all the time between dark mode, 
smart and classic invert. 
Harry

> On 28 Jan 2020, at 22:49, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Well, lets hope Apple addressed the ongoing issues with Dark Mode and Smart 
> Invert.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jan 28, 2020, at 16:16, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not sure of the status of any VO enhancements or bugs or if they have been 
> addressed in these updates.  Apple released iOS and iPadOS 13.3.1 today for 
> iPhone/iPod/iPad/HomePod and I expect TVOS as well, although I didn't check.  
> WatchOS 6.1.2 was also released.  There was also an update to 10.15.3 
> Catalina for MacOS.  I've updated my Mac, iPad, iPhone and watch with no 
> noticeable flaws..  Supposedly some security enhancements, but you'll not 
> usually notice any performance or feature changes when security is the focus.
> 
> Update away if you wish :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
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Re: Itunes match or not?

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I have iTunes Match as well as Apple Music because I have lots of recordings 
which are not available in Apple Music. 
Harry

> On 18 Jan 2020, at 20:05, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> If i have apple music do i then need Itunes match?
> I am really thinking about that but i am not sure.
> /A
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Re: Loadstone GPS

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I’ve never found it very usable in York! Try Lazarillo, which does provide 
rough turn by turn directions and is free. Or Blindsquare (paid) and rely on 
Google Maps for the link to get directions. 
Harry

> On 12 Jan 2020, at 11:12, Ian Harrison  wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> I am thinking of paying for the Loadstone in the UK. I want an app I can rely 
> on and get used to. I have tried many of the free options and they seem quite 
> complex to use, especially when out on the street. 
> 
> What is your experience and is it good enough to use in the UK?
> 
> With thanks in advance
> Ian
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Re: Erasing data without reinstalling OS?

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

And just to check: if I do choose to erase the HD and reinstall, should I sign 
out of iCloud and iTunes before restarting the MacBook in Recovery mode?
Harry

> On 10 Jan 2020, at 17:22, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Go in to System Preferences, Users & Groups, press the lock and enter your 
> password to unlock this pane.  Press on the Add User button and create a new 
> user.  There is a pop-up menu to the VO-left of the Name field that you need 
> to change from Standard to Administrator.  After setting this to 
> Administrator, enter the info in the fields including name and password.  
> Once you've confirmed all this, close System Preferences and log out of this 
> user.  At the Login screen, log in with the new user using the password you 
> just created.  You will need to turn VO on for this user and your settings 
> from the other user will not be present.  Go into System Preferences, Users & 
> Groups and delete your original user account.  Make sure to select the radio 
> button that says to delete the Home folder.
> 
> This process will delete everything from your original user account, 
> including settings, Desktop/Documents items, iTunes items, pictures.  The 
> whole kit and caboodle.  It will not delete applications though.  You will 
> need to do those manually if you wish to remove them.
> 
> Alternatively, you don't really need the Mavericks installer to do a complete 
> wipe/re-install.  You can restart the computer, and when you hear the startup 
> chime,, as it is sounding, press down the cmd key and the r key at the same 
> time.  Keep them down for about 5 to 6 seconds then release them.  Wait for 2 
> to 3 minutes then try turning VO on with cmd-f5.  If it does not work, give 
> it another minute or two and try turning on VO again.  Once it is on, you may 
> need to continue through the Language Chooser to the MacOS Utilities window, 
> or it may just go directly to the MacOS Utilities window.  Once at that 
> window, select Disk Utility, then Continue.  Wait a few seconds for Disk 
> Utility to open, select Macintosh HD from the Disk Selection table, then 
> Erase from the Toolbar.  Make sure that its format is set to MacOS Extended 
> (Journaled) and press the Erase button.  Wait a few minutes for it to do its 
> thing, then cmd-q to Quit Disk Utility.  This will take you back to the MacOS 
> Utilities window where you can select the "Re-Install MacOS" item and then 
> Continue.  Follow the prompts, making sure to select Macintosh HD as the 
> destination disk.  It will download Mavericks from Apple and, voila, you've 
> set it up as a brand new machine for them with all your apps and data removed.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 10, 2020, at 09:56, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have an old MacBook 2009 running Mavericks which I want to give away to a 
> blind friend. Is there a way of removing all my data without having to 
> reinstall the OS? I no longer have a copy of Mavericks to use to reinstall 
> the OS. 
> Any help would be great!
> Thanks
> Harry
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Re: Erasing data without reinstalling OS?

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you so much, Tim, for such a practical step by step set of instructions! 
So Apple keeps relatively old OS installers we can use to reinstall online?
Harry

> On 10 Jan 2020, at 17:22, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Go in to System Preferences, Users & Groups, press the lock and enter your 
> password to unlock this pane.  Press on the Add User button and create a new 
> user.  There is a pop-up menu to the VO-left of the Name field that you need 
> to change from Standard to Administrator.  After setting this to 
> Administrator, enter the info in the fields including name and password.  
> Once you've confirmed all this, close System Preferences and log out of this 
> user.  At the Login screen, log in with the new user using the password you 
> just created.  You will need to turn VO on for this user and your settings 
> from the other user will not be present.  Go into System Preferences, Users & 
> Groups and delete your original user account.  Make sure to select the radio 
> button that says to delete the Home folder.
> 
> This process will delete everything from your original user account, 
> including settings, Desktop/Documents items, iTunes items, pictures.  The 
> whole kit and caboodle.  It will not delete applications though.  You will 
> need to do those manually if you wish to remove them.
> 
> Alternatively, you don't really need the Mavericks installer to do a complete 
> wipe/re-install.  You can restart the computer, and when you hear the startup 
> chime,, as it is sounding, press down the cmd key and the r key at the same 
> time.  Keep them down for about 5 to 6 seconds then release them.  Wait for 2 
> to 3 minutes then try turning VO on with cmd-f5.  If it does not work, give 
> it another minute or two and try turning on VO again.  Once it is on, you may 
> need to continue through the Language Chooser to the MacOS Utilities window, 
> or it may just go directly to the MacOS Utilities window.  Once at that 
> window, select Disk Utility, then Continue.  Wait a few seconds for Disk 
> Utility to open, select Macintosh HD from the Disk Selection table, then 
> Erase from the Toolbar.  Make sure that its format is set to MacOS Extended 
> (Journaled) and press the Erase button.  Wait a few minutes for it to do its 
> thing, then cmd-q to Quit Disk Utility.  This will take you back to the MacOS 
> Utilities window where you can select the "Re-Install MacOS" item and then 
> Continue.  Follow the prompts, making sure to select Macintosh HD as the 
> destination disk.  It will download Mavericks from Apple and, voila, you've 
> set it up as a brand new machine for them with all your apps and data removed.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 10, 2020, at 09:56, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
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> I have an old MacBook 2009 running Mavericks which I want to give away to a 
> blind friend. Is there a way of removing all my data without having to 
> reinstall the OS? I no longer have a copy of Mavericks to use to reinstall 
> the OS. 
> Any help would be great!
> Thanks
> Harry
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Erasing data without reinstalling OS?

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I have an old MacBook 2009 running Mavericks which I want to give away to a 
blind friend. Is there a way of removing all my data without having to 
reinstall the OS? I no longer have a copy of Mavericks to use to reinstall the 
OS. 
Any help would be great!
Thanks
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Re: airpods pro

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Ah, but do the other sizes of AirPod pro actually fall out even if the test 
says they don’t fit well?
Harry

> On 1 Jan 2020, at 19:39, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
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> I did but the phone thing said they were not a good fit.
>  
> From: 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries  
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> Subject: Re: airpods pro
>  
> I use a silicon strap, attached at one end via a carabiner to a zip on my 
> fleece or gilet pocket, with a single AirPod pro slotted into the hole at the 
> otger end of the strap - see AMODN Compatible with AirPods Pro Strap 
> Case,Silicone Protective Case Wireless Bluetooth Headset Anti-fall Cover with 
> Keychain Red 
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07ZZ7FCN6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_d-odEbFSW8MPY
> Have you tried the other sized silicon tips?
> Harry
> 
> 
> On 1 Jan 2020, at 18:26, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
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> All:
>  
> Any tip for keeping airpods pro in your ears? I have lost one twice today.
> Never had this issue with the first gen. I did the test and the seal is fine.
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Re: airpods pro

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I use a silicon strap, attached at one end via a carabiner to a zip on my 
fleece or gilet pocket, with a single AirPod pro slotted into the hole at the 
otger end of the strap - see AMODN Compatible with AirPods Pro Strap 
Case,Silicone Protective Case Wireless Bluetooth Headset Anti-fall Cover with 
Keychain Red 
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07ZZ7FCN6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_d-odEbFSW8MPY
Have you tried the other sized silicon tips?
Harry

> On 1 Jan 2020, at 18:26, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
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> All:
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> Any tip for keeping airpods pro in your ears? I have lost one twice today.
> Never had this issue with the first gen. I did the test and the seal is fine.
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Re: Catalina

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Thank you, Jonathan and ET - I’ll investigate Thay VoiceOver Utility!
Regards
Harry

> On 13 Dec 2019, at 03:19, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Harry,
> I'm sorry you are having such issues, and that nobody has replied to you. ET 
> seems to be the local expert on Braille and Catalina. It sounds like you 
> might have the Braille viewer on screen. If you open the VoiceOver utility 
> with control-option-F8, you can control the various panels that VoiceOver can 
> display within the visuals category in there you should find a panels and 
> menus tab where VoiceOver onscreen effects can be controlled.
> .
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2019, at 9:11 AM, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Running latest Catalina, I connected my Orbit Reader 20 via USB to my 
>> MacBook Pro 2013. I’m not at all experienced with this! I’ve now got a box 
>> on the screen which VoiceOver tells me is the Accessibility Visuals Agent 
>> and I cant get rid of it! I tried typing a new note using 6 dot UEB and 
>> after I delete a few characters using dot 7 on my display, every time I get 
>> the beach all of death whirling away and I have to force quit Notes!
>> Can anyone help such a novice?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: iCloud email address for junk

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I think you are talking about Sign In with Apple (which I’ve not come across 
yet)
Harry

> On 11 Dec 2019, at 20:59, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> It's called an alias,
> 
> A secondary address to your primary address.
> 
> I have a number of them including my apple id for nz Australia the US and Uk 
> And yeah it's an easy way to keep things organised and as for spam, well it 
> can work for you or against you as it gives more addresses for spammers to 
> send mail to.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Agent086b
> Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2019 9:44 AM
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> Subject: iCloud email address for junk
> 
> Hi all,
> if I remember correctly I read something about creating email addresses for 
> Apps etc. I think that Apple created them and re-directs the mail to your 
> address. This prevents giving your direct address to companies so cuts down 
> on spam.
> Can anybody help my old memory?
> Max.
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Entering username and password with Braille Display?

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When I start up my 2013 MacBook Pro running latest Catalina with my Braille 
Orbit Reader 20 attached by USB, I cannot enter my username and password using 
the Braille display. Nothing happens as I type. After login, the display is 
recognised and works fine. Have I missed some key step? I’m a real beginner 
with Braille, so any help welcome!
Thanks
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Catalina

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Running latest Catalina, I connected my Orbit Reader 20 via USB to my MacBook 
Pro 2013. I’m not at all experienced with this! I’ve now got a box on the 
screen which VoiceOver tells me is the Accessibility Visuals Agent and I cant 
get rid of it! I tried typing a new note using 6 dot UEB and after I delete a 
few characters using dot 7 on my display, every time I get the beach all of 
death whirling away and I have to force quit Notes!
Can anyone help such a novice?
Thanks
Harry

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Re: Orbit Reader feedback

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I just downloaded the firmware onto an SD card plugged into my iPad using iOS 
13.3 beta and an Apple Lightening Card Reader - marvellous! Orbit Reader 20 has 
updated easily. 
Harry

> On 4 Dec 2019, at 16:11, joseph hodge  wrote:
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> 
> One really neat thing the Orbit can do now is use the braille hid driver that 
> was developed by Microsoft and Apple. You have to get the newest update but 
> it is basically plug and play. Excited for this new driver and what it could 
> do for folks. 
>> On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 3:07:41 PM UTC-5, Greg Wocher wrote:
>> Hello, 
>> Yes it will connect to both the Mac and iPhone. The only issue I have when 
>> using it with my iPhone is that when you are in an edit field the cursor 
>> blinks constantly. If I could get that to stop I would use it more. Other 
>> than that it works well with both. 
>> 
>> Greg Wocher 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Nov 30, 2019, at 2:11 PM, Chris Moore  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Hello, 
>> > Is the Orbit Braille Reader available and does it connect to the Mac / 
>> > iPhone? 
>> > 
>> > Any feedback would be helpful: good or bad. 
>> > 
>> > Chris 
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Re: Whatch OS 6: no sound while entering the unlock code

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Yes, this is so frustrating!
Harry

> On 5 Oct 2019, at 09:04, João de Sousa e Silva  wrote:
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> 
> Hi all,
> 
>  
> 
> Since  the first version of Watch OS 6, while entering the code to unlock the 
> watch, any sound isn’t reproduced indicating that the capacitive keys are 
> being activated, although they are.
> 
>  
> 
> Anyone else realised this?
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> João
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Re: Voiceover and WatchOS 6

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I’ve never been able to get my watch to change to a different British voice. We 
are lumbered with one male voice no matter whether you use Siri female voice on 
your iPhone. 
Harry

> On 1 Oct 2019, at 16:50, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Has anybody figured out how to change the Voiceover voice on WatchOS 6? 
> 
> I upgraded and now I have the British voice, but it isn’t the one I want and 
> I can’t find a way to change that.
> 
> Tia,
> Jeff
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Re: Typing on the iPhone

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Slide to type is a bit like FlickType, as both rely on you roughly knowing 
where the letters are on the keyboard, whether you can see them or not. Both 
are fairly forgiving so you don’t need to be very precise. My experience so 
far, anyway!
Harry

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 21:30, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> Slide typing is a very sighted thing. It would allow sighted users to type 
> even faster. They can see where the next letter is located, and drag around 
> to create words without lifting their finger. I’ve not tried it yet, but it 
> sounds difficult to me.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
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Re: voice control and dictation

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Connect EarPods, AirPods or a headset, then you hear VO but voice control 
doesn’t pick up what VO is saying. 
Harry

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 16:27, hemaka...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Hi donna and all,
> 
> I tried doing voice dictation using the new voice control interface on 
> Iphone. It picks up VO sound. The rest is catastrophe. How do I go for 
> dictation on Iphone or Mac and still get a credible feedback with the aid of 
> VO? Kindly explain the steps involved.
> 
> I will be grateful for this help.
> 
> Take care,
> Hem.
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Re: Mastering the Macintosh E- Book

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Sorry, I tried sharing the book with you so you could forward it on, but that 
link does not work if you’ve never downloaded it before. Do I recall that you 
can use a Mac to copy all text and paste into a Pages document?
Harry

> On 26 Aug 2019, at 09:08, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> HI to those members that were after the Mastering the Macintosh e-book,
>  
> I’m sorry to say that after trying to get this book from my books app on both 
> my iPhone and an iPod touch  and into iTunes  I have not been able to get it 
> downloaded on to ether my mac book pro or my windows machine.
>  
> It looks like the book is only there in my library but wont let me share or 
> save it off the devices.
>  
> My apologies
>  
> Regards,
>  
>  
> Simon F
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Re: Need to reset voiceover often on iPhone eight

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Yes, not that often - and I’ve never detected a pattern to it either. 
Harry

> On 25 Aug 2019, at 16:11, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> 
> 
> For quite a while now, many many months, I have had the problem with my 
> iPhone eight, always running the latest iOS, wherein voiceover would just 
> shut up. All the sound effects would still be there but there would be no 
> voice. My solution has been to turn voiceover off and then back on again with 
> the triple click of the home button. However I have to triple click three or  
> four times before voiceover will come back on. It happens many times during a 
> week, sometimes more than once in a day.  Is anybody else experiencing this 
> problem? 
> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: How To Change Your Apple ID from a Third-Party Email Address to a @Mac, @Me, or @iCloud Email Address

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I already have an iCloud email address: will I have to use that one or can I 
create a different one to use as my Apple ID?
And I read somewhere that you cannot use an iCloud alias for this - is that so?
Thanks
Harry

> On 20 Jun 2019, at 04:17, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Follow these steps to change the email address or phone number that you use
> as your Apple ID:
> 
> If your Apple ID is a third-party
> email address
> 
> If your Apple ID is a third-party email address 
> 
> Before you change your Apple ID email address, you need to sign out of every
> Apple service and device that uses your Apple ID. If you want to use your
> iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch to change your Apple ID, stay signed in to your
> Apple ID on just that device.
> 
> When you change your Apple ID, you can enter another third-party email
> address. Or you can enter an @icloud.com, @me.com, or @mac.com email address
> that's already a login alias or alternate Apple ID for your account. To see
> these addresses, sign into your Apple ID account page. Click Edit under the
> Account section to reveal Reachable At. In this list, a login alias will
> have a  next to it which, when hovered over with a mouse pointer, shows this
> message: "This is an alias of your Apple ID email address."
> 
> Use your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch with iOS 10.3 or later
> 
> 1.
> Go to Settings > [your name] > Name, Phone Numbers, Email. 
> 
> 2.
> Next to Reachable At, tap Edit, then delete your current Apple ID.
> 
> 3.
> Tap Continue. Enter the Apple ID that you want to use.
> 
> 4.
> Tap Next.
> 
> Use your Apple ID account page
> 
> 1.
> Go to appleid.apple.com and sign in. 
> 
> 2.
> In the Account section, click Edit. 
> 
> 3.
> Under your Apple ID, click Change Apple ID. If you try to change your Apple
> ID to an @icloud.com email address created within the last 30 days, you
> might be asked to try again later.
> 
> 4.
> Enter the Apple ID that you want to use.
> 
> 5.
> Click Continue. 
> 
> If you enter a new Apple ID that ends with @icloud.com, @me.com, or
> @mac.com, you see a message to confirm. When you change your Apple ID to an
> @icloud.com, @me.com, or @mac.com account, you can't change it back to a
> third-party email account. Your former Apple ID that ends with a third-party
> email becomes an additional email address for your Apple ID account.
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> Original Article at:
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Re: Navigation apps on iOS

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

Lazarillo works well in uk and is free!
Hatry

> On 31 May 2019, at 08:45, B G  wrote:
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> Was wondering if the list had any suggestions for navigation apps on
> iOS. I am looking for one which would guide me to locations by simply
> entering the address and postcode - just like the sat nav thing in
> cars albeit designed with sight-impaired users in mind, naturally.
> *smile*
> I live in the UK in case it affects my choices.
> Thanks, B.
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Re: The two reasons Apple Pay in the US lags way behind Europe, 9 to 5 Mac

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

In the UK, major banks like Barclays and the Halifax do support Apple Pay. But 
whenever I’ve tried to buy anything over £50 online from Apple using Apple Pay 
(Apple Watch or iPhone), the transaction appears to go through but a short 
while later, I’m notified that it failed to go through. I ring Apple and they 
blame the bank. I ring the bank and they blame Apple. It’s a shame that there 
seem to be no plans to bring the Apple credit card to the UK!
Cheers
Harry

> On 25 Apr 2019, at 09:26, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> honnestly said: the same in Europe at least in Germany where I live. Only a 
> few smaller Banks offer Apple Pay but the larger ones don’t so far. What I 
> think is a pitty. Let see what time brings.
> Jürgen
> 
> 
>> Am 25.04.2019 um 08:18 schrieb Simon Fogarty :
>> 
>> Yeah Apple pay is still a limited thing here in nz,
>> Only 2 of our banks have it 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 1:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: The two reasons Apple Pay in the US lags way behind Europe, 9 to 5 
>> Mac
>> 
>> 9 to 5 Mac - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 7:54 AM
>> 
>> The two reasons Apple Pay in the US lags way behind Europe
>> 
>> When we reported that JC Penney had stopped supporting Apple Pay, some 
>> European readers were confused about the state of Apple Pay in the US. Why 
>> did the chain need to specifically support Apple Pay when everywhere in 
>> Europe accepts it because it’s effectively just another contactless card?
>> 
>> A reader suggested I write an explainer, which I added to my to-do list only 
>> to find that CNBC did it for me in video form …
>> 
>> Contactless payment in Europe
>> Certainly in London and other major cities, contactless payment is supported 
>> pretty much everywhere. From major retailers through coffee shops to 
>> independent corner stores and market stalls. Even some buskers accept 
>> contactless payment.
>> 
>> If you travel around London, you no longer need an Oyster card – just tap 
>> your contactless card at the entry gates to tube, DLR, and Overground 
>> stations, as well as when boarding buses.
>> 
>> For many of us, it’s the default way to pay for even really minor purchases 
>> like a chocolate bar. It’s the new cash.
>> 
>> Apple Pay in Europe
>> If a retailer accepts contactless cards (and they pretty much all do), then 
>> by definition they also accept Apple Pay – because to the card terminal it 
>> looks just like a contactless card payment.
>> 
>> Indeed, the only Apple Pay-specific aspect is transaction limits.
>> Contactless cards are limited to a maximum transaction of £30 ($40). That’s 
>> because contactless payment doesn’t have any kind of validation – anyone can 
>> just tap a card and it’s done. (There are safeguards, like monitoring for 
>> unusual payment patterns in order to temporarily block contactless use of a 
>> suspected stolen card.)
>> 
>> If a payment terminal has specific support for mobile wallet services like 
>> Apple Pay, then it will recognize the fact that it’s an authenticated 
>> payment (via Face ID or Touch ID) and apply a much higher transaction limit.
>> That varies by retailer, but is typically in the order of around £700 ($900).
>> Certainly I’ve made purchases costing several hundred pounds using Apple 
>> Pay, so it’s not only more secure than a contactless card, but more useful 
>> too.
>> 
>> Apple Pay in the US
>> So if Apple Pay is accepted everywhere in Europe, why isn’t that the case in 
>> the US?
>> As CNBC notes, it isn’t an Apple Pay-specific issue, but rather that there 
>> is still limited support for contactless among US retailers. Where they do 
>> offer contactless payment, then – just as in Europe – Apple Pay ought to 
>> work whether or not it is explicitly supported.
>> 
>> There are two reasons contactless hasn’t taken off as well in the US. First, 
>> most European countries have a relatively small number of major banks, so 
>> there’s not too much coordination needed to persuade them to adopt new 
>> technologies. And once the major banks do it, smaller ones have no choice 
>> but to follow.
>> 
>> That’s different in the US. There are many more banks and credit unions, and 
>> none are so dominant that everyone else has to follow their example.
>> Chip-and-PIN is another example of a payment technology that is taking a 
>> very long time to take off in the US, while it’s been the norm in Europe for 
>> more than a decade.
>> 
>> Second, debit card payment was already the norm in Europe. People just 
>> wanted a faster and more convenient way to do it for lower-value 
>> transactions – and contactless payment was the answer.
>> 
>> It’s different in the US. There, cash is still king. For example, 55% of all 
>> transactions below $10 are made by cash, while in the UK that hasn’t been 
>> true since 2017.
>> 
>> So that’s why Apple Pay in the US is still rolling 

Re: TuneIn Radio pro & apple watch

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

Details of Receiver Radio app:
Receiver Radio by appsolute GmbH
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/receiver-radio/id311658127?mt=8


> On 23 Apr 2019, at 18:25, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I feel so ignorant here: what’s receiver radio app?
> 
> Andrew
>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 1:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh.  I've never used the Receiver Radio app.  I'll check it out.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 7:37 AM, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I opened the Receiver Radio app on my iPhone and started playing a radio 
>>> station I like. Then I stopped the player and went into Settings on iPhone, 
>>> down to Siri and Search and found Siri suggesting a new shortcut to play 
>>> that radio station in the Receiver radio app.  I double tapped on that 
>>> suggestion, recorded the suggested shortcut phrase, backed out of settings, 
>>> restarted my iPhone just for good luck and then telling Siri the shortcut 
>>> phrase “Play radio BBC Radio 4” worked on all devices!
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>>> On 23 Apr 2019, at 13:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Harry,
>>>> 
>>>> What do you mean by Receiver Radio Shortcut commands?
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 6:50 AM, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did try creating a Siri shortcut to play the last station played on 
>>>>> TuneIn - it only worked on my HomePod if my iPhone screen was already 
>>>>> unlocked - whereas Receiver Radio Siri shortcuts work wonderfully on 
>>>>> HomePod or Apple Watch when iPhone screen is locked: just now I tried 
>>>>> holding the Apple Watch crown in and giving Siri the Receiver radio 
>>>>> shortcut command and it did start playing through the iPhone speaker. So, 
>>>>> it would play through AirPods!
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Harry
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2019, at 10:53, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've got a couple of apps like this and it's not that they don't work on 
>>>>>> my watch but they just control what's coming out of my phone.
>>>>>> Spotify is a similar situation 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Could it be this type of thing happening?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2019 7:11 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> Subject: TuneIn Radio pro & apple watch
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Listers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Has anyone been able to use TuneIn radio pro on apple watch?  This 
>>>>>> application has been transferred onto my watch from my iphone in the 
>>>>>> setup & sync phase but when I open it on Apple watch, there’s no 
>>>>>> response from it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>> 
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Re: TuneIn Radio pro & apple watch

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I opened the Receiver Radio app on my iPhone and started playing a radio 
station I like. Then I stopped the player and went into Settings on iPhone, 
down to Siri and Search and found Siri suggesting a new shortcut to play that 
radio station in the Receiver radio app.  I double tapped on that suggestion, 
recorded the suggested shortcut phrase, backed out of settings, restarted my 
iPhone just for good luck and then telling Siri the shortcut phrase “Play radio 
BBC Radio 4” worked on all devices!
Harry

> On 23 Apr 2019, at 13:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Harry,
> 
> What do you mean by Receiver Radio Shortcut commands?
> thanks,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 6:50 AM, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I did try creating a Siri shortcut to play the last station played on TuneIn 
>> - it only worked on my HomePod if my iPhone screen was already unlocked - 
>> whereas Receiver Radio Siri shortcuts work wonderfully on HomePod or Apple 
>> Watch when iPhone screen is locked: just now I tried holding the Apple Watch 
>> crown in and giving Siri the Receiver radio shortcut command and it did 
>> start playing through the iPhone speaker. So, it would play through AirPods!
>> Cheers
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 23 Apr 2019, at 10:53, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've got a couple of apps like this and it's not that they don't work on my 
>>> watch but they just control what's coming out of my phone.
>>> Spotify is a similar situation 
>>> 
>>> Could it be this type of thing happening?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2019 7:11 PM
>>> To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: TuneIn Radio pro & apple watch
>>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>> Has anyone been able to use TuneIn radio pro on apple watch?  This 
>>> application has been transferred onto my watch from my iphone in the setup 
>>> & sync phase but when I open it on Apple watch, there’s no response from it.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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Re: TuneIn Radio pro & apple watch

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I did try creating a Siri shortcut to play the last station played on TuneIn - 
it only worked on my HomePod if my iPhone screen was already unlocked - whereas 
Receiver Radio Siri shortcuts work wonderfully on HomePod or Apple Watch when 
iPhone screen is locked: just now I tried holding the Apple Watch crown in and 
giving Siri the Receiver radio shortcut command and it did start playing 
through the iPhone speaker. So, it would play through AirPods!
Cheers
Harry

> On 23 Apr 2019, at 10:53, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've got a couple of apps like this and it's not that they don't work on my 
> watch but they just control what's coming out of my phone.
> Spotify is a similar situation 
> 
> Could it be this type of thing happening?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2019 7:11 PM
> To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: TuneIn Radio pro & apple watch
> 
> Listers,
> 
> Has anyone been able to use TuneIn radio pro on apple watch?  This 
> application has been transferred onto my watch from my iphone in the setup & 
> sync phase but when I open it on Apple watch, there’s no response from it.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Adding an app to a folder that is in the dock on your iPhone

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Wonderful, Petrus! That two-finger scrub has worked a treat!
Thanks
Harry

> On 22 Apr 2019, at 11:14, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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> to move an app from one folder to another by doing the two finger scrub 
> across the screen to close the folder while in edit mode.

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Re: Adding an app to a folder that is in the dock on your iPhone

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And does anyone know how to use this kind of procedure to move an app out of a 
folder? Once the folder is open, an app selected and it is in Edit mode, then 
how to close the folder in order to find the new location I want to move it to?
Thanks
Harry

> On 22 Apr 2019, at 05:57, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> That works for any folder as long as the folder is not in the dock. It does 
> not work for folders in the dock.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2019, at 8:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>> Once you are on the app that you want to move, flick up with one finger 
>> until you hear edit mode and double tap. Then find the folder you wish to 
>> place it in and flick up until you hear add to the folder whatever they are 
>> called. And it should be done, press your home button or side button to 
>> finish editing.
>> 
>> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
>> 
>>> On 22/04/2019, at 14:45, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not very long ago, there was a discussion on this topic, and I recently 
>>> downloaded an app that I want to add to my music apps related folder which 
>>> sits in the dock. I thought I remembered that you were supposed to open the 
>>> folder before you started the edit process. But that doesn’t seem to be 
>>> working, so I’m clearly forgetting something. Can someone please refresh my 
>>> failing memory.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad?

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

Donna, you are quite right that the 10.5 inch iPad Pro does not have a 
massively better performance than the cheap 2018 iPad, though the larger iPad 
Pro is a much faster beast: see review 
https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/11/29/which-of-apples-2018-ipad-or-ipad-pro-models-should-you-buy
Stick with a good iPhone, perhaps?
Cheers
Harry

> On 24 Feb 2019, at 14:21, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nah, they weren't pushy.  I asked what the differences were.  I had ruled out 
> the Pro because of the price tag, but then I decided I ought to at least know 
> what I'm giving up before I buy.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2019, at 8:16 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow it sucks that they were trying so hard to sell you the latest and
>> greatest. Kind of pushy I say.
>> 
>> On 2/24/19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Hey Mark,
>>> 
>>> Yeah, the four speakers almost got me to buy a pro.  That would be pretty
>>> amazing.
>>> 
>>> The standard also has touch ID, and from what I've read online, the
>>> differences in speed aren't that significant. so the speakers and the smart
>>> connector were the only things that made me want the pro.  And I decided
>>> that though those things are cool, they're not $300 worth of cool, at least
>>> for me. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Feb 24, 2019, at 12:38 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Donna.
 
 Wow!  Good for you.  Congratulations on your new iPad.
 
 I purchased an iPad Pro 10.5 inch.
 
 I purchased the Pro because I wanted faster speed, along with TouchID and
 the ability to use the Apple Smart keyboard.  Also, Pro has four amazing
 speakers.
 
 Now because of a home office computer catastrophe that has since been
 resolved, even though I've owned my iPad since Monday, I've only spent
 about 2 hours working with it, so far.
 
 I'll tell you that, while I love the sound quality of the device and the
 display is amazing, I'm having a bit of a problem getting used to
 VoiceOver on the larger display.
 
 I don't like the split screen effect which, when I look at it with my
 eyes, makes sense.  From a blindness perspective, however, I prefer
 iPhone, so far.
 
 What I mean by the split screen effect is the fact that when you land on
 General settings, on the left side of the display, all of the sub items
 are located to the right.  I get it, I just don't like it because it feels
 as though I am compelled to use both hands to navigate.
 
 Also, I cannot, as yet, get used to holding the device.  I'm so used to
 holding iPhone in my left hand and using my left thumb to navigate the
 display.  However, with the size of iPad, my left hand gets so very tired,
 very quickly.
 
 By the way, I have the recently released iPad 128 in the house, also and
 there is definitely a speed difference between the 128, which was recently
 released and iPad Pro 10.5.  The 128, is noticeably slower, in my opinion.
 It should be, the cost is around $250 as opposed to $1000 for iPad Pro
 256GB.
 
 It's funny, when I went to Apple on Monday, they did virtually everything
 in their power to convince me not to buy iPad Pro 10.5, with cellular.
 
 They were really pushing the latest iPad Pro and they even went so far as
 to push iPad 128.
 
 In fact, I went through 5 sales people, re-entering the store 4 times,
 before I found someone from whom I felt comfortable buying iPad Pro 10.5.
 
 One sales person advised that I not buy iPad Pro 10.5, go home, think
 about it, then come back and buy the latest iPad Pro.  I told all of them
 that I had absolutely no intention of buying anything with FaceID, at this
 time.
 
 One more thing, I am finding it extremely difficult and frustrating using
 the onscreen keyboard with VoiceOver.  In fact, in many instances, I am
 using the Apple Smart keyboard to enter passwords and search terms
 although I, so far, am not a big fan of the Smart keyboard, either.  In
 short, the iPad onscreen keyboard looks markedly different from iPhone.  I
 did not expect this.
 
 In so many ways, it feels as though I am having to re-learn iOS; something
 I definitely didn't expect.
 
 Be this as it may, I am in this for the long run and will definitely keep
 my iPad Pro 10.5.
 
 Mark
 -Original Message-
 From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 10:20 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad?
 
 Well, I'm now the proud owner of a 2018 iPad, and a Logictech keyboard
 case.  This sets a record for my most expensive impulse buy.  Feeling very
 glad for BestBuy's two-week return policy. lol

Re: Here is a Link to the VoiceOver Accessible Version of Apple’s Swift Playground Coding Guide

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

> On 23 Feb 2019, at 06:59, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> A couple of days ago, Apple Support tweeted this link out to everyone.  I 
> knew I had seen it somewhere:
> 
> The link in this email points to the page from which you may download the 
> ePub version of the Playground coding book.  Apparently, this version is not 
> in the Apple Book Store but, once downloaded, you will be prompted to open it 
> in Apple Books.
> 
> 
> Accessible Learn to Code 1 & 2 Teacher Guide
> 
> The Accessible Learn to Code 1 & 2 Teacher Guide features new activities that 
> bring coding to life for all learners with Swift Playgrounds. This version of 
> the guide is optimized for VoiceOver and includes closed-captioned videos and 
> audio descriptions.
> 
> Download the Accessible Teacher Guide
> 
> Original article at:
> https://www.apple.com/education/teaching-code/.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad?

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

The cheap 2018 iPad is great for those things too, but the processor and ram 
are not up to coping with complex tasks (which I did not realise are that 
complex, such as displaying very large text fonts as you move from page to page 
of a book). If you are thinking of coding with Playgrounds, perhaps that too 
would be too complex? Mark must have his reasons for talking of the iPad Pro!

> On 23 Feb 2019, at 21:07, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have an iPad which is fairly old now, but it nevertheless runs the latest 
> iOS. It's excellent for Facetime calls and for listening to podcasts or 
> music. I can also read mail on it.
> 
> My iPhone is much newer and faster, but the iPad remains useful for the 
> purposes that I've mentioned. Whehter you need or want one very much depends 
> on what you would use it for, and whether you think that justifies the 
> investment.
> 
> On 2/23/19, 13:20, "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 
>  wrote:
> 
>Well, I'm now the proud owner of a 2018 iPad, and a Logictech keyboard 
> case.  This sets a record for my most expensive impulse buy.  Feeling very 
> glad for BestBuy's two-week return policy. lol
> 
>Guess I'm off to play!
>Cheers,
>Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 11:03 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  I need to set this up again when I find a victim, err, a volunteer, so I 
>> can make some practice runs and make sure I csan do this on the fly. The 
>> Focus Blue 5th as made this so simple and so far I like the wauy it all 
>> works. For this I use the Drafts app because it opens directly to the text 
>> field.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 2/23/2019 8:49 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hey ET,
>>> That’s an interesting set up. I’ve always hated having to choose between a 
>>> braille display and a qwerty keyboard, so that actually sounds kind of 
>>> attractive. Thanks.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Feb 23, 2019, at 10:38 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
  If you are ready now, there is no reason to wait for a new model. If 
 everyone was to wait for the next generation, they may as well, well, wait 
 forever. (smiles)
 
  I have the mini 4. Its main purpose is as a backup should something 
 happen to my hearing. Its in a case with a qwerty keyboard. Pair the mini 
 with a braille display and I can communicate with others.
 
  I don't use it much currently but that will change.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
> On 2/23/2019 7:48 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Thanks.  I'll check out 9-5 Mac and see what I can learn.  But since I 
> envision the iPad being a very secondary device, I'm not sure I need the 
> latest and greatest.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 9:34 AM, ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 2 things.  First, if you're considering an iPad, I would hold off as if 
>> your looking at a mini, apple says they are releasing an iPad mini 5th 
>> gen some time this year.  I think 9-5 mac has articles suggesting such.
>> 
>> Second.  The iPad mini is good for the simple fact that it is only about 
>> 7 inches and is great as a small device  if you do not have a laptop and 
>> you can always get a keyboard to use with it if you do not have one 
>> already.  I would be interested in other people's thought as well.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 8:59 AM
>> To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> OK, so Mark has re-awakened the bug in me, and I'm thinking about buying 
>> an iPad mini.  But I'd like to do a sensibility check first.
>> 
>> I've been curious about learning Swift ever since Apple released Swift 
>> Playgrounds.  However, my interest is largely as a hobby, I don't see 
>> myself suddenly embarking on a career as an app developer.  With that in 
>> mind, I'm wondering if buying an iPad is just a silly expensive 
>> purchase.  Other than the Swift Playgrounds issue, I've always felt like 
>> an iPad would just be redundant, since I have no need whatsoever for the 
>> extra screen real-estate.  so here's my question.  Do any of you own 
>> both an iPhone and an iPad?  If so, what is the value of having both 
>> devices?  What niche or need does the iPad fill that the phone does not?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any input.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad?

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I have iPhone XS and iPad 2018. This iPad is noticeably slower than the iPhone 
and it struggled so much to download that Accessible Learn to Code ePub book 
that I gave up and downloaded it with my iPhone. I have a small fragment of 
central vision left, so getting text up very large in some apps on iPad still 
works at times for me, but purchased Books with huge font sizes are very 
sluggish when I swipe to change pages. I’m considering getting one of the iPad 
Pro models due to be announced this year because it will be faster. When I 
eventually can see nothing, I will only use an iPhone. 
Regards
Harry

> On 23 Feb 2019, at 15:34, ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 2 things.  First, if you're considering an iPad, I would hold off as if your 
> looking at a mini, apple says they are releasing an iPad mini 5th gen some 
> time this year.  I think 9-5 mac has articles suggesting such.
> 
> Second.  The iPad mini is good for the simple fact that it is only about 7 
> inches and is great as a small device  if you do not have a laptop and you 
> can always get a keyboard to use with it if you do not have one already.  I 
> would be interested in other people's thought as well.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 8:59 AM
> To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Any good reason to own both an iPhone and an iPad?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> OK, so Mark has re-awakened the bug in me, and I'm thinking about buying an 
> iPad mini.  But I'd like to do a sensibility check first.
> 
> I've been curious about learning Swift ever since Apple released Swift 
> Playgrounds.  However, my interest is largely as a hobby, I don't see myself 
> suddenly embarking on a career as an app developer.  With that in mind, I'm 
> wondering if buying an iPad is just a silly expensive purchase.  Other than 
> the Swift Playgrounds issue, I've always felt like an iPad would just be 
> redundant, since I have no need whatsoever for the extra screen real-estate.  
> so here's my question.  Do any of you own both an iPhone and an iPad?  If so, 
> what is the value of having both devices?  What niche or need does the iPad 
> fill that the phone does not?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any input.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Getting started with Braille input?

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

At last I found a list of commands:
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT209138
Hard to find, though!
Harry

> On 15 Feb 2019, at 11:10, Michelle emails  wrote:
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> hi Harry 
> 
> Michelle here, 
> 
> You are welcome. Another thought I had was 
> go to help menu press vo h, 
> or press spacebar braille h on the braille display. 
> Presarrow down to help commands secod or third from the top. press vo 
> spacebar or router key on braille display. 
> navigate to braille press vo spacebar and arrow down to braille commands 
> arrow right and a list of braille display commands are there. 
> 
> tip press iether vo letter h twice quickly to bring up help commands or press 
> braille h twice to do the same thing. 
> 
> cannot remember off hand if braille commands is in the braille on that menu 
> or braille commands down towards the end of the menu. 
> 
> Good luck 
> Michelle 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 15 Feb 2019, at 7:29 pm, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Harry,
>> With your Braille display connected, open VoiceOver Utility and select 
>> Braille in the side bar. Select the second tab, Displays then navigate right 
>> to the button Assign Commands. Press VO-Space Bar and you’ll find a table 
>> showing the commands for your particular display.
>> You can assign your own commands or change existing ones that don’t suit 
>> you. When you’ve finished looking at them, click the Done button.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Feb 2019, at 07:38, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Thank you, Michelle, I’d forgotten about using that. Still, it seems really 
>>> strange that there is no document or website laying out the common 
>>> shortcuts (as there are so many for using non-Braille Bluetooth keyboards)..
>>> Regards
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>>> On 15 Feb 2019, at 04:30, Michelle emails  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hi 
>>>> 
>>>> Try spacebar and braille k. dots 1 3 and vo will tell you what the keys do 
>>>> when you press them. to exit the haelp menu press spacebar and dots 1 and 
>>>> 2. it will say stopping keyboard help. 
>>>> 
>>>> Michelle 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 Feb 2019, at 6:35 am, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries  
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Re: Getting started with Braille input?

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you, Michelle, I’d forgotten about using that. Still, it seems really 
strange that there is no document or website laying out the common shortcuts 
(as there are so many for using non-Braille Bluetooth keyboards)..
Regards
Harry

> On 15 Feb 2019, at 04:30, Michelle emails  wrote:
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> hi 
> 
> Try spacebar and braille k. dots 1 3 and vo will tell you what the keys do 
> when you press them. to exit the haelp menu press spacebar and dots 1 and 2. 
> it will say stopping keyboard help. 
> 
> Michelle 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 15 Feb 2019, at 6:35 am, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Thanks - I have paired the Orbit Reader 20 now with the MacBook Pro, but how 
>> do I find out which Braille keys I should use to navigate, execute commands 
>> etc?
>> Regards
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 14 Feb 2019, at 15:01, Dionipher Herrera  wrote:
>>> 
>>> did you already pair the device on your mac? on the voice over preferences 
>>> you can see braille settings. You can also use your usb cable and press 
>>> braille terminal on your display braille. 
>>> 
>>>> Il giorno 14 feb 2019, alle ore 09:52, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  ha scritto:
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone help me to use my Orbit Reader 20 (which has dots 7 and 8 
>>>> either side of the Space bar) with my MacBook Pro 2013? I’m a beginner and 
>>>> have just got to grips with using my BraillePen Slim with my iPhone. But 
>>>> wherever I look for Mac and Braille, I only get the usual non-Braille 
>>>> shortcuts with no reference to dots 1-6 nor dots anything! How do I even 
>>>> get started? 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Harry
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Re: Getting started with Braille input?

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks - I have paired the Orbit Reader 20 now with the MacBook Pro, but how do 
I find out which Braille keys I should use to navigate, execute commands etc?
Regards
Harry

> On 14 Feb 2019, at 15:01, Dionipher Herrera  wrote:
> 
> did you already pair the device on your mac? on the voice over preferences 
> you can see braille settings. You can also use your usb cable and press 
> braille terminal on your display braille. 
> 
>> Il giorno 14 feb 2019, alle ore 09:52, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>  ha scritto:
>> 
>> Can anyone help me to use my Orbit Reader 20 (which has dots 7 and 8 either 
>> side of the Space bar) with my MacBook Pro 2013? I’m a beginner and have 
>> just got to grips with using my BraillePen Slim with my iPhone. But wherever 
>> I look for Mac and Braille, I only get the usual non-Braille shortcuts with 
>> no reference to dots 1-6 nor dots anything! How do I even get started? 
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Getting started with Braille input?

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

Can anyone help me to use my Orbit Reader 20 (which has dots 7 and 8 either 
side of the Space bar) with my MacBook Pro 2013? I’m a beginner and have just 
got to grips with using my BraillePen Slim with my iPhone. But wherever I look 
for Mac and Braille, I only get the usual non-Braille shortcuts with no 
reference to dots 1-6 nor dots anything! How do I even get started? 
Thanks
Harry

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Re: OT: Quick and Dirty Windows Tutorial

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I too would love a tutorial on using Narrator on a Windows 10 pc! If anyone 
sends one your way, would you forward it to me?
Thanks!
Harry
York, UK

> On 12 Nov 2018, at 01:46, Christine Grassman  wrote:
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> I need help ASAP. I am starting a new job soon, and Windows-based computers 
> are provided. I have used a Mac and VoiceOver for years, and am concerned 
> about relearning Windows. Could someone please direct me to a resource which 
> will both update me and give me a quick learning curve tutorial? I have to 
> relocate, so I’m in the market for something very straightforward; I’ll dig 
> into the nitty-gritty later.
> TIA
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Re: Contacts in Google and iCloud accounts syncing

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, I use it to sync my iCloud contacts to gmail contacts one way only to 
prevent duplication. 
Harry

> On 14 Oct 2018, at 19:18, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> thanks, Harry.  The description says it can sync iCloud contacts as well.  Is 
> this your experience too?
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On 14 Oct 2018, at 14:53, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On my iphone i use Contacts Sync for Gmail
>> Contacts Sync for Google Gmail by Playa Apps
>> https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/contacts-sync-for-google-gmail/id454390333?mt=8
>> This can do a one-way or two-way sync
>> Harry in UK
>> 
>>> On 14 Oct 2018, at 14:46, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> and problem I have is how to make the two accounts link all of the contacts 
>>> together.  What I mean is that if I create a new contact, by default it 
>>> gets created in iCloud contacts but that contact doesn’t appear in Google 
>>> account contacts so my other devices including my Windows machine do not 
>>> have that contact.  Is there a way of synchronising all of these together 
>>> so that I don’t have to copy the contact in iCloud to google contacts 
>>> manually?
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>>> Hope this makes sense.
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Re: Contacts in Google and iCloud accounts syncing

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On my iphone i use Contacts Sync for Gmail
Contacts Sync for Google Gmail by Playa Apps
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/contacts-sync-for-google-gmail/id454390333?mt=8
This can do a one-way or two-way sync
Harry in UK

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> Hi,
> 
> I have both iCloud and Google accounts on my mac and iPhone. the question and 
> problem I have is how to make the two accounts link all of the contacts 
> together.  What I mean is that if I create a new contact, by default it gets 
> created in iCloud contacts but that contact doesn’t appear in Google account 
> contacts so my other devices including my Windows machine do not have that 
> contact.  Is there a way of synchronising all of these together so that I 
> don’t have to copy the contact in iCloud to google contacts manually?
> 
> Hope this makes sense.
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Re: viewing and copying a Dvd with family video

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I hear that a program called Handbrake can do what you want. 
Regards
Harry

> On 3 Sep 2018, at 20:17, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I have A DVD with some family video.  I would like to copy it onto my Mac 
> (there is nothing copyrighted on the DVD).  Can anyone suggest how I can go 
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> folder using simple cut and paste, but can't get the folder on my Mac to 
> play.  Ideally I'd like both the audio and video, but would settle for the 
> audio if I can't have both.  I'd appreciate any help anyone can offer.
> Best,
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Re: Off Topic: Seeking a Windows List

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I’d also appreciate knowing this! I’ve heard that the big update coming this 
autumn is really going to improve accessibility but voiceover on the Mac is so 
systematic, whereas I just find myself guessing what keys to press to navigate 
certain windows! I’m wanting to help other blind folk here in York, UK, not 
many of whom have a Mac, even if they have an iPhone. 
Regards
Harry

> On 2 Aug 2018, at 15:16, Des Delgadillo  wrote:
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> To all my Mac friends,
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> I recently got ahold of a Windows machine and I’m learning that the Mac 
> ecosystem has spoiled me indeed. I have a ton of questions that I want to ask 
> and wonder if anyone here can direct me to a good mailing list or website?
> 
> To give an idea, the last Windows version I’ve used was XP. Now I’m on 10 
> with Jaws 18 and have little to no idea how anything works lol.
> 
> So any help is super appreciated. Please feel free to send the 
> recommendations off-list to cut down on traffic, since this is an OT post.
> My email is desdelgadi...@gmail.com.
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> Thanks in advance.
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Re: OT, converting .PDF to .DOC (word) files

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Or you could do OCR in Text Grabber, Prizmo or KNFB Reader and export the txt 
file into Pages and then export as Word document whew!
Harry

> On 22 Jul 2018, at 19:03, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> ABBYY FineReader should solve this problem.
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> On 7/22/18, 08:07, "Nickus de Vos"  behalf of bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>This has been mentioned on the list a couple of months ago, but I can’t 
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>I’m looking for a way to convert PDF to .doc files. Google brings up a 
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Re: MacBook Pro late 2013

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Whew! Thanks!

> On 9 Jul 2018, at 16:08, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi harry. You'll be fine with 8 gb of ram. That's how much ram my MacBook air 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 9, 2018, at 10:04 AM, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
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>> I’ve ended up getting a MacBook Pro late 2013 with 8gb ram and 128 go SSD. 
>> Will it manage Mojave with VoiceOver? Should I upgrade it to 16gb ram?
>> Thanks
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MacBook Pro late 2013

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I’ve ended up getting a MacBook Pro late 2013 with 8gb ram and 128 go SSD. Will 
it manage Mojave with VoiceOver? Should I upgrade it to 16gb ram?
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Re: MacBook Pro 2015 Mojave?

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Thanks! I’ll chase it up. Harry

> On 4 Jul 2018, at 16:31, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>> On 7/4/2018 8:16 AM, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>> Capitan to see if it will run Mojave with VoiceOver - does this sound 
>> viable? My old 2009 MacBook just crawls along...
>> Any help appreciated.
>> Thanks
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MacBook Pro 2015 Mojave?

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I’m considering buying a used MacBook Pro 2015 8gb ram 256gb ssd running El 
Capitan to see if it will run Mojave with VoiceOver - does this sound viable? 
My old 2009 MacBook just crawls along...
Any help appreciated. 
Thanks
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