Re: Accessible Sites

[Brandon Olivares]

Yes, I’ve used both and both have been accessible for me.

> On Jul 26, 2024, at 5:05 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Can someone tell me if login.gov and id.me are accessible please? Thanks.
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> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
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Problems with Amazon

[Brandon Olivares]

Hello,

Has anyone else been having issues loading Amazon pages in Safari? It doesn’t 
really work at all. Any attempt to navigate within the page just makes the 
whole thing appear empty. This just started a couple days ago and I’m just 
curious if others are experiencing this.

Thanks,
Brandon



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Re: Outlook on Mac

[Brandon Olivares]

I use Outlook and this has not really happened to me. It works very well.

Brandon

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Kelly Ford 
Date: Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 11:26 AM
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Subject: Outlook on Mac
Hello,

It has been a bit since I used Outlook on the Mac. I just tried it again today 
and am finding that as I arrow up and down the message list, messages that gain 
focus are frequently not being reae. Is anyone else finding this?

Kelly

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Re: voiceOver acting strangely with menus on sonoma

[Brandon Olivares]

Ah, you’re a life-saver—that did it!

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Ian Robinson 
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 10:26 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: voiceOver acting strangely with menus on sonoma
Hi Brandon,

Open the VoiceOver Utility and select the Navigation category.
Then check that Mouse Pointer is set to "Ignores VoiceOver cursor”.

HTH.

Ian

> On 21 May 2024, at 13:25, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
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> I recently upgraded to Sonoma, and voiceOver is acting strangely with menus. 
> I can no longer navigate to a specific menu with a single letter. For 
> instance, in Safari I used to be able to press VO-M, then B to get to 
> bookmarks. Now it seems to drop down the first menu by default.
>  Also, sometimes in Safari it just exits out of the menu randomly. I have a 
> bookmark buried inside a subfolder and sometimes I can’t get to it before it 
> exits the menu entirely.
>  Is anyone else having this issue? I’m not super impressed with VoiceOver on 
> Sonoma.
>  Thanks,
> Brandon
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voiceOver acting strangely with menus on sonoma

[Brandon Olivares]

I recently upgraded to Sonoma, and voiceOver is acting strangely with menus. I 
can no longer navigate to a specific menu with a single letter. For instance, 
in Safari I used to be able to press VO-M, then B to get to bookmarks. Now it 
seems to drop down the first menu by default.

Also, sometimes in Safari it just exits out of the menu randomly. I have a 
bookmark buried inside a subfolder and sometimes I can’t get to it before it 
exits the menu entirely.

Is anyone else having this issue? I’m not super impressed with VoiceOver on 
Sonoma.

Thanks,
Brandon



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Re: Spanish punctuation marks?

[Brandon Olivares]

Yep, inverted question mark is option-shift-/. Inverted exclamation point is 
option-1.



From: 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Spanish punctuation marks?
Hi list.  I need to be able to type the Spanish upside down question and 
exclamation  marks.  But I am typing them for learners, so the base of the 
email will not be in Spanish.  SO I don’t think I want to actually change to 
the Spanish keyboard.  Does anybody happen to know how to do this?  I got the 
accented letters, and they are actually pretty easy.  If I have to go into the 
emoji keyboard, I am afraid they are not going to happen in these emails as I 
am just too lazy, and I can probably avoid them.


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Powerpoint

[Brandon Olivares]

I’ve been having to use PowerPoint more for my college classes, and it seems 
very difficult to use. Any tips or resources for using it more accessibly with 
VoiceOver? Last time, I did my best but had Aira tweak things to look better, 
but I’d like to be able to do as much as possible myself.

Thanks,
Brandon


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Re: Question about word

[Brandon Olivares]

Oh this is genius, I had no idea there was a shortcut for that dialog. I was 
always going into the home ribbon and finding it manually. 臘‍♂️

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of John Panarese 
Date: Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 1:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Question about word
I don’t know if there is an actual keyboard shortcut, but press 
command-option-m for the Paragraph dialog and navigate to the right until you 
hit the popup menu for line spacing, It’s single by default.


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On Feb 25, 2024, at 1:09 PM, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:

Dear all,
I am using mirsoft word and I was wondering how do I do the command to double 
space your document?  Again I am using my Mac.
Becky

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Re: A weird issue with typing in Sonoma

[Brandon Olivares]

To turn quicknav off, you should be able to just press the left and right arrow 
keys together.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Max 
Date: Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 3:32 PM
To: Mac List 
Subject: Re: A weird issue with typing in Sonoma
Hi,
this happened to me some week or so ago.
I think you have quick nav turned on. Sorry I can’t remember how I turned it 
off. I don’t have time to search how to do this now but if I don’t see an 
answer I will try later today.
Max.

> On 5 Feb 2024, at 07:17, joseph hudson  wrote:
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> Hi guys, so I've had a weird issue with typing in Sonoma that started this 
> morning. Anytime I want to use my physical keyboard on my computer. Will not 
> allow me to type. If I hit certain letters, it'll either tell me not found. I 
> have to interact with the text in order to type. This happened so far in the 
> spotlight, and in emails. Has anybody else experienced this?
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Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

[Brandon Olivares]

For things of that length I usually convert to text and read in TextEdit. I’ve 
never had a problem with that.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of moiz tundawala 
Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:53 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Reading on Pages and Text Edit
Hi
What is the best way to read book length documents on Mac?
I have large Word files from my Windows computer. These files take a lot of 
time loading on Mac when I open them on Word.
With Pages and Text Edit, I am facing a strange problem. I prefer to read 
paragraph by paragraph. But whenever Voiceover encounters a page break, it 
starts reading character by character.
I have taking this issue to Apple Accessibility and they have not been able to 
help.
My Word documents are 300 to 400 pages long. Can anyone please advise?
Thanks,
Moiz.
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Weird Behavior in Chrome

[Brandon Olivares]

Does anyone use Chrome? I’ve noticed for the last few days that if I am in 
another window and then switch over to Chrome, it makes the sound like the page 
just loaded and puts me back up to the top. It’s been incredibly annoying.

I don’t use it much, but I use it for things like QuickBooks Online that don’t 
work as well in Safari.

Thanks,
Brandon


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Re: Question about outlook

[Brandon Olivares]

It’s command-option-N. I find it won’t always place focus in the message when 
you do that, so you might need to tab a few times.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Rebecca Sabo 
Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 11:48 AM
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Question about outlook
Hi
I am trying to create a new message in outlook but some reason it is not doing 
it for some reason.  What is the command again and any other commands?
Thanks
Again
Becky Sabo


On Jan 19, 2024, at 4:00 PM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

Outlook works extremely well on the Mac. I’m using it now to reply to this.

To start a new email, press cmd+option+n. To send the message, press cmd+enter. 
To reply, it’s just cmd+R like in Mail. It’s all very simple.

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Date: Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:55 PM
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Subject: Question about outlook
Hi all,
I have a couple of questions .  I have to use outlook for email through my 
university.  I am using a Mac computer.  I was wondering what are the commands 
to send a message?  What is the command to create a new message?  Also what is 
the command to reply back to a email in outlook?
Thank you all
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Re: Password in the Terminal

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Yes, just type the password and hit enter.

From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Monday, January 22, 2024 at 9:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com , Jonathan 
C. Cohn 
Subject: Re: Password in the Terminal
Jonathan,
I have no issue with having to respond to a security request. I just
am not sure of the process. In other words, simply enter the password
and press return?

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On 1/22/2024 5:34 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> that is the way it is supposed to work. Even for sighted people.
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 22, 2024, at 8:24 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hello,
>>When I ran something in the Terminal, I was asked for the password. I got 
>> no feedback from Voiceover so wondering how I should enter it. Thanks.
>>
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Re: Question about outlook

[Brandon Olivares]

I actually disagree; I use Outlook and I actually prefer it over Mail at this 
point. But it’s not just a web app; they have an actual Mac app as well.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
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Date: Friday, January 19, 2024 at 4:56 PM
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Subject: Re: Question about outlook
Hmm for what it's worth Mac mail  for me  works much better thin outlook. On  
the  Mac outlook is  a  web app that vary confusing. Mac mail I  find  to  be  
much better to  navigate than outlook. It  works with  VO vary well.

HTH Maurice Mines

> On Jan 19, 2024, at 20:55, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I have a couple of questions .  I have to use outlook for email through my 
> university.  I am using a Mac computer.  I was wondering what are the 
> commands to send a message?  What is the command to create a new message?  
> Also what is the command to reply back to a email in outlook?
> Thank you all
> Becky Sabo
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Re: Question about outlook

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Outlook works extremely well on the Mac. I’m using it now to reply to this.

To start a new email, press cmd+option+n. To send the message, press cmd+enter. 
To reply, it’s just cmd+R like in Mail. It’s all very simple.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
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Date: Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:55 PM
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Question about outlook
Hi all,
I have a couple of questions .  I have to use outlook for email through my 
university.  I am using a Mac computer.  I was wondering what are the commands 
to send a message?  What is the command to create a new message?  Also what is 
the command to reply back to a email in outlook?
Thank you all
Becky Sabo

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Remote Desktop

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Is there any accessible way to connect to a Windows PC from a Mac with remote 
desktop? I tried using Microsoft’s official Remote Desktop app on the Mac but 
it keeps taking me to Finder for some reason.

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Re: How does one Ctrl Click?

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Generally control-click is the same thing as bringing up the context menu, 
which in VoiceOver is VO-shift-M.

From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 6:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: How does one Ctrl Click?
Since with VoiceOver the click event already requires the Control key,
i.e. VO Spacebar,
how does one then Control Click an object?

I'm trying to follow instructions from the support pages for Logic Pro
which say to Control Click the Control Bar, etc.


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Re: Seeing AI

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I actually rarely have problems with it. I use it a lot to check cans of cat 
food, but I’ve learned around where the barcode is, so it usually works for me. 
I hold it around 6 inches or so from the camera and slowly rotate until it 
works.

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Date: Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 5:39 PM
To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Seeing AI
I’ve noticed this same result more often than not lately, and have simply 
resorted to the short text channel as a result.  It can take more time that 
way, but I can at least get a general idea of what I’m attempting to scan that 
way.

> On Jan 14, 2024, at 4:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I have some trouble with that too. I think it may be because you never know 
> where the bar code might be. it helps to hold the phone a llittle farther 
> away from the thing with the bar code until it starts beeping. then you can 
> move in closer. I’ve gone to a lot of trouble with some of these things and 
> then when seeing ai finally processes it it comes back “unrecognized.”
>
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>> Hello all,
>>  When using the Product category in this app, I have trouble finding the 
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>> this? Thanks.
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Re: What is the best recording app for aM2 Mac?

[Brandon Olivares]

I also use Amadeus Pro. Works great and is very simple.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Mike Arrigo 
Date: Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 8:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: What is the best recording app for aM2 Mac?
I use Amadeus Pro, it works great.

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 4:29 PM, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
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> Hi  I am  going  to  a fore day  similar but  I don’t wish to  take  my vary 
> good  podcast recorder. I wood like  to  record som  content for my  podcast 
> that I am restarting. I  wood  like  to  try to  use  the  computers 
> microphone. What  software will  work well  on  my  computer.i will  process 
> the  recordings whin  I return home from the  trip. Enney good  sujestions?
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> Maurice Mines.
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Re: Thinking of Switching to Windows

[Brandon Olivares]

I definitely understand. I just think there are fewer and fewer reasons to 
choose Mac over Windows now, especially when the native accessibility has been 
diminishing on MacOS. Most third party apps from the Mac App Store aren’t 
generally very accessible I’ve found. So what’s really the selling point now?

I first started using the Mac because I was sold on the iPhone: I was actually 
able to use a normal smartphone, and it was really the only option out there. 
So I wanted to take full advantage of the Apple ecosystem.

Now there are more options — more competition, so the choice isn’t so obvious. 
Other companies have caught up and Apple is no longer the clear and obvious 
winner for me.

Just my 2¢.

From: 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 

Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Thinking of Switching to Windows
For myself, macOS means lots of different things to me, when it isn't broken, 
but especially Spatterlight, for text adventures AKA Interactive Fiction, and a 
UNIX environment underneath. Of course nothing says I won't ever go back to 
Windoze, but I think Marc has it right—use both platforms to get the best. It 
shouldn't be necessary, and I appreciate that in an age of Apple Silicon it's 
often an impossible choice to make, but if you can, maintain access to both. 
Windows is many things but it certainly isn't a dreamland, either.

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Re: Thinking of Switching to Windows

[Brandon Olivares]

I disagree that Mail is better: I’m currently using Outlook and far prefer it.

I’m also using Teams over Zoom and that seems fine: that supports video as well 
so can replace Facetime.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Herbie Allen 
Date: Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 6:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Thinking of Switching to Windows
I can do many things on the Mac that cannot be done on Windows. iMessages and 
FaceTime all as well as things that are done more easily with Loopback compared 
to Windows methods. Mail is much better as well. Some apps work better also 
like Zoom. I did have to relie on Microsoft products for school but it was at 
least still within the Mac environment.


On Jan 6, 2024, at 15:24, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

Literally can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’m really thinking of switching 
back to Windows.

I’ve been a loyal Mac user since 2010. I’ve always loved the Mac and swore I’d 
never go back to Windows.

But because of school I’ve had to use some Microsoft applications again and 
I’ve been quite impressed by them. Word honestly knocks Pages out of the water. 
And Excel is actually usable, whereas I’ve been dealing with an annoying bug in 
Numbers for months now.

When not even Apple’s own native apps can be relied on to be dependably 
accessible, something is wrong.

I’m just not seeing much of a reason to stick with the Mac. Even the last 
MacBook pro I got was very glitchy, but with the nearest Apple Store being 80 
miles away, I’ve never had the chance to get it fixed.

So, at this point I’m seriously considering my next computer being Windows.

Curious if anyone has any thoughts though. What has made you stick with Apple?

Brandon


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Re: How to read pdf or if there is a app

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You should just be able to use the Preview app.

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Date: Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 4:33 PM
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Subject: How to read pdf or if there is a app
Hi all,
I just got a new mack computer.  I was wondering how do you open or read pdfs 
through the mack ?  Is there an app to download for pdfs ?
Thanks
Becky

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Thinking of Switching to Windows

[Brandon Olivares]

Literally can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’m really thinking of switching 
back to Windows.

I’ve been a loyal Mac user since 2010. I’ve always loved the Mac and swore I’d 
never go back to Windows.

But because of school I’ve had to use some Microsoft applications again and 
I’ve been quite impressed by them. Word honestly knocks Pages out of the water. 
And Excel is actually usable, whereas I’ve been dealing with an annoying bug in 
Numbers for months now.

When not even Apple’s own native apps can be relied on to be dependably 
accessible, something is wrong.

I’m just not seeing much of a reason to stick with the Mac. Even the last 
MacBook pro I got was very glitchy, but with the nearest Apple Store being 80 
miles away, I’ve never had the chance to get it fixed.

So, at this point I’m seriously considering my next computer being Windows.

Curious if anyone has any thoughts though. What has made you stick with Apple?

Brandon

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Re: Microsoft Word for Mac

[Brandon Olivares]

Sorry for the confusion but I’m using these applications on the Mac, not 
Windows.

> On Jan 3, 2024, at 8:32 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> In Windows 10, Win + B, puts Windows keyboard focus on the System 
> Tray/Notification area.
> It does the same in Windows 11.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
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> On Jan 3, 2024, at 07:08, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
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> I’m going back to school and they apparently provide Microsoft Office apps 
> for free.
> 
> I thought maybe I should try to use them so that there aren’t any issues 
> converting from Pages to Word and so on.
> 
> What is the accessibility like in the Office apps for Mac though? I 
> downloaded them and so far Word at least seems to be working pretty well.
> 
> Any suggestions or thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Microsoft Word for Mac

[Brandon Olivares]

I’m going back to school and they apparently provide Microsoft Office apps for 
free.

I thought maybe I should try to use them so that there aren’t any issues 
converting from Pages to Word and so on.

What is the accessibility like in the Office apps for Mac though? I downloaded 
them and so far Word at least seems to be working pretty well.

Any suggestions or thoughts?

Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: Bug in Numbers

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I’m not sure if that’s it. No amount of jumping, hitting escape, hitting tab, 
or anything else will make it work again once this happens.

> On Dec 26, 2023, at 5:12 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> I believe numbers is not as fluid about moving between the Grid and the 
> formula editing box. I can't remember if I was able to use VO-J to jump 
> between them, or if I ended up setting up a VO hotspot. It also might be 
> worth while trying to turn off cursor tracking while in numbers.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 7:18 AM Brandon Olivares  <mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I’ve been experiencing this bug in Numbers for a while now. Sometimes when I 
>> go into a spreadsheet, I can’t navigate any of the cells. Interacting with 
>> the table just results in it making an error noise any time I try to go in 
>> any direction, as if there’s nothing in the document, but there clearly is.
>> 
>> Only if I restart Numbers does it work again, but it keeps happening.
>> 
>> Are others experiencing this? I’ve had it for a while now and thought I’d 
>> wait to see if it was fixed, but it’s still happening.
>> 
>> Is there any workaround or something I’m doing wrong?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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Bug in Numbers

[Brandon Olivares]

I’ve been experiencing this bug in Numbers for a while now. Sometimes when I go 
into a spreadsheet, I can’t navigate any of the cells. Interacting with the 
table just results in it making an error noise any time I try to go in any 
direction, as if there’s nothing in the document, but there clearly is.

Only if I restart Numbers does it work again, but it keeps happening.

Are others experiencing this? I’ve had it for a while now and thought I’d wait 
to see if it was fixed, but it’s still happening.

Is there any workaround or something I’m doing wrong?

Thanks,
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Re: Reading Terminal Windows with VoiceOver

[Brandon Olivares]

So what’s the benefit of this Terminal screen reader over just using VoiceOver? 
I’ve used the terminal in Mac since I got my first Mac 13 years ago and never 
had a problem with it.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 7:17 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
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>> Jonathan,
> 
> Thanks for the pointer on that terminal screen reader. Instal was a snap and 
> it works great for what it does. Alpine and Lynx are working well for example 
> as are basic terminal commands and reading the output.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 8:22 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> There is also a dedicated SR for for the terminal. I heard about it but I 
>> have not  actually tried it out at all.  We discussed it at the NY Public 
>> Library Mac VoiceOver discussion that occurs monthly on Saturdays.
>> Apple Vis link below:
>> https://www.applevis.com/blog/announcing-tdsr-command-line-screen-reader-macintosh-gnulinux
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 8:20 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> 
>>> On 30/11/23 07:28, Kelly Ford wrote:
 Does anyone have a suggestion on how to read Terminal windows with 
 VoiceOver on the Mac a line at a time?
>>> While interacting with the terminal widget, VO-Up/Down-Arrow should read 
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Tables in Chrome in Ventura

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Hello,

I just recently upgraded to Ventura. Ever since then, tables have been acting 
weird in Chrome. Only a few rows will appear to VoiceOver. Hitting VO-down 
arrow will act like it’s at the bottom of the table. I have to hit just 
down-arrow a bunch of times for me to be able to access more rows.

It’s quite irritating. I’m a bookkeeper and so working in Quickbooks Online a 
lot which has a lot of tables. Is anyone else experiencing this issue?

Thanks,
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Re: Recommendations new MacBook Air m2

[Brandon Olivares]

You probably only need 8 GB of RAM. If you have a lot of files I think it’s 
better to go with 512 GB of space at least — I tried 256 GB once and I ran out 
so quickly and kept having to delete stuff. I prefer SSD over hard drives.

Nothing else should matter all that much.

> On Aug 27, 2023, at 5:02 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi all, I’m considering getting a new Mac in the back to school sale. Could 
> you please advise me on specs?
> 
> I am probably a light user. It is the VoiceOver not responding message that 
> is driving me crazy! Lol! Even simple Safari searches get the not responding. 
> I get it in music as well.
> 
> So, some Mac uses I do: surfing (ie searches), music app, rs games app, mail, 
> pdfs. That sort of thing.
> 
> Thank you for your feedback. I don’t want to buy something less than my 
> needs, neither do I want to buy something far more robust than I need. 
> Looking for Goldilox here. *Grins
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Re: wi-fi

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If you have an iPhone, why not just use the hotspot feature? That’s what I’ve 
done in the past when the internet’s gone out.

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 5:12 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I’m going to a house where there’s no wi-fi. I’m always looking for a 
> solution to this problem. I saw this on facebook and it looks great but I 
> don’t have enough info. has anybody seen this or have any idea what they’re 
> talking about?
> 
> Energizew 
> 
> ✅ Portable WiFi ✅ There is Wifi when there is electricity. ✅ No login and 
> registration required.Just plug it in and use it. ✅Super high speed Connect 
> up to 10 devices simultaneously without lag. Can be carried/on the car/at 
> home/outdoor
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> thanks.
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Accessible Way to Create Selective Screenshots

[Brandon Olivares]

Hi everyone,

I want to be able to take screenshots but not of the entire screen. If I use 
cmd+shift+3, it takes a screenshot of the whole screen, including some 
background windows, menu bars, and things like that.

Sometimes I want to take a screenshot but only include, say, the contents of 
the current tab in Safari. There’s cmd+shift+4 for that but it doesn’t seem to 
be accessible. I’ve been asking Aira for help with that but I’d love to be able 
to do this myself.

Is there any way?

Thanks,
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Re: Facebook Mobile Site (Again)

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Thanks, I’m glad I’m not the only one.

I did notice that if I have the Develop menu enabled in Safari, if I choose 
Safari on iPhone as the user agent, it brings me to the mobile site. But it’s a 
different version than usual. If I then switch back to “Automatic”, it takes me 
to the mobile site I’m used to and I seem to be able to stay on it.

I’m not sure if there is an easier way but this seems to be working for now. 
Would like to hear from anyone if there is another way to go about this.

> On Aug 16, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> I also noticed this a while ago and, like you, it did come back for a while.  
> I wrote an angry email to Facebook about it just before it came back.  I 
> thought that had some impact, but perhaps it didn’t ;)
> 
> I originally thought it was just me, but it seems like this is more 
> widespread and may be rolled out across the whole user base at some point.
> 
> I’ve switched over to just using the Facebook mobile app on my iPhone which 
> seems accessible.
> 
> Hth,
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2023, at 12:47 AM, Brandon Olivares  
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> I asked a while ago about the Facebook mobile site being down. Then it came 
>> back for a time.
>> 
>> But for the last several days I’ve not been able to access it at all. 
>> m.facebook.com just redirects to the main Facebook site.
>> 
>> I’ve not seen anyone else mention this so I’m wondering if I’m alone in 
>> this. I’ve also not seen any announcements that they’re discontinuing it. 
>> Can anyone else access the Facebook mobile site?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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Facebook Mobile Site (Again)

[Brandon Olivares]

Hello,

I asked a while ago about the Facebook mobile site being down. Then it came 
back for a time.

But for the last several days I’ve not been able to access it at all. 
m.facebook.com just redirects to the main Facebook site.

I’ve not seen anyone else mention this so I’m wondering if I’m alone in this. 
I’ve also not seen any announcements that they’re discontinuing it. Can anyone 
else access the Facebook mobile site?

Thanks,
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Re: No More Facebook Mobile Site?

[Brandon Olivares]

Never mind, apparently I panicked for nothing. I just tried again and it 
worked. Very odd. I definitely tried multiple times before so I thought it was 
gone.

> On Aug 8, 2023, at 5:46 AM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
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> Woke up this morning, went to the Facebook mobile site as I usually do on my 
> computer, and got redirected to the main site instead.
> 
> Is this happening for anyone else? Is there no more mobile version for 
> Facebook? The regular version doesn’t work so well in Safari so I used the 
> mobile version instead.
> 
> Thanks,
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No More Facebook Mobile Site?

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Woke up this morning, went to the Facebook mobile site as I usually do on my 
computer, and got redirected to the main site instead.

Is this happening for anyone else? Is there no more mobile version for 
Facebook? The regular version doesn’t work so well in Safari so I used the 
mobile version instead.

Thanks,
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Re: Scanning & ocr options?

[Brandon Olivares]

Personally I just use OCR for images or PDFs I need to turn to text. I never 
need to actually scan.

If I did, I think I’d get a picture with my phone and transfer it to my 
computer. I don’t do it enough to need a scanner.

> On Aug 7, 2023, at 11:59 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> To add to this question, do you guys use a scanner or document camera? What 
> works well with the Mac?
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2023, at 9:16 AM, Brandon Olivares  
>> wrote:
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>> ABBYY FineReader is what I use and it works quite well. Very easy to use.
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2023, at 7:02 AM, 'jason' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> The option frequently mentioned is ABBYY FineReader for Mac. I haven’t used 
>>> it, and there may be alternatives now.
>>> I have used the Windows version (a former colleague arranged for my then 
>>> workplace to acquire it, which is how I was introduced to it). The document 
>>> format recognition is very good, as is the OCR accuracy. I used it mostly 
>>> to process PDF files containing images of printed pages.
>>>  
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>>> mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>
>>> Date: Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 15:27
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>>> Subject: Scanning & ocr options?
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I don’t know much about full scanning OCR options. I was just 
>>> reading a bit about pearl and open book from Jaws. Does the Mac have 
>>> solutions like that? One main thing I want is the ability to know if my 
>>> reading material is right side up. I also like the idea of the layout of 
>>> the page remaining intact. Tables, columns, etc. Thanks for educating me. 
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Re: Scanning & ocr options?

[Brandon Olivares]

ABBYY FineReader is what I use and it works quite well. Very easy to use.

> On Aug 6, 2023, at 7:02 AM, 'jason' via MacVisionaries 
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> The option frequently mentioned is ABBYY FineReader for Mac. I haven’t used 
> it, and there may be alternatives now.
> I have used the Windows version (a former colleague arranged for my then 
> workplace to acquire it, which is how I was introduced to it). The document 
> format recognition is very good, as is the OCR accuracy. I used it mostly to 
> process PDF files containing images of printed pages.
>  
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> Subject: Scanning & ocr options?
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> Hi all, I don’t know much about full scanning OCR options. I was just reading 
> a bit about pearl and open book from Jaws. Does the Mac have solutions like 
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> right side up. I also like the idea of the layout of the page remaining 
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Re: youtube on a Mac

[Brandon Olivares]

Yes it’s doable; I’ve done it before. You have to select the notifications 
option where you can select what type of notifications you want to receive from 
that channel, and there’s an unfollow option (can’t remember the exact text, 
sorry).

> On Jul 29, 2023, at 4:15 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I’d like to unsubscribe from a few channels but I can’t figure out how to do 
> it. is it easier on a phone? is it do-able at all?
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Re: Accessible free hosting

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I think if it were me, and I didn’t already have a website to create a 
subdomain off of, I’d go with one of three possible solutions:

Sign up for a $4 droplet at DigitalOcean. It takes a bit of technical knowledge 
to setup but isn’t all that difficult.
Create an application on platform.sh, which offers a 30 day trial. This 
requires some knowledge of using git though.
If I was really desperate, then I’d temporarily open up my firewall and serve 
it on my own computer, but only if the person I was showing this application to 
was trusted.

The first option would probably be the easiest.

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:26 AM, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:
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> PHP and MySQL.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/26/2023 5:17 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> What application are you trying to demonstrate? I believe most hosting 
>> providers do provide a free trial.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 7:54 AM, Nebojsa Tasic >> > wrote:
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>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Do you have experience with free web hostings? Could you recommend me one 
>>> that is accessible?
>>> 
>>> I tried 000webhost and infinity. 000webhost is not fully accessible and 
>>> Infinity has some limitations / header location cannot be set and POST 
>>> method is not allowed.
>>> 
>>> I don't need it for a serious purpose, just to show the application to 
>>> someone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
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Re: Accessible free hosting

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Please don’t waste your time with free hosting. These days when you can 
literally get hosting for a few dollars a month, I don’t understand why anyone 
would want free hosting. There’s always a catch.

There are lots of good web hosts out there.

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> Hello,
> 
> 
> Do you have experience with free web hostings? Could you recommend me one 
> that is accessible?
> 
> I tried 000webhost and infinity. 000webhost is not fully accessible and 
> Infinity has some limitations / header location cannot be set and POST method 
> is not allowed.
> 
> I don't need it for a serious purpose, just to show the application to 
> someone.
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> 
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Chat GPT, Anyone?

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I use it regularly and it works really well, though it has limits. I use it to 
help with writing, sometimes to help with programming, to brainstorm ideas, 
etc. It’s definitely insane how far things have come in such a short time.

BTW you don’t necessarily need the app: there is a web interface as well.

> On Jul 10, 2023, at 10:39 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> Just so you know, I am posting this to both lists.
> 
> So I keep running into all kinds of news articles on Chat GPT, a product
> from the Open A I project.
> 
> Has anyone downloaded the app from the App Store and, if so, are you finding
> it as amazing as some of the news reporters from USA Today and the
> Wallstreet Journal?  
> 
> I went to the website at chat.openai.com to see what I could find.  I did
> not find much; I'll have to download the app to really check it out.
> 
> Oh, the article I read today, in the Apple News app talked about how Chat
> GPT planned the writer's vacation itinerary and did a pretty good job of it,
> apparently.
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> I look forward to reading your replies,
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Re: Does making Dropbox folders online only decrease local disk consumption?

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If they’re uploading, then yeah they won’t appear yet on all devices.

If they’re online only, then I think they will default to that on all devices. 
But I’m pretty sure you could opt to download them on a particular device 
without downloading them on all devices.

Not sure what you mean about iCloud Drive. I wouldn’t mix iCloud Drive and 
Dropbox if that’s what you mean. Choose one or the other for particular files. 
Personally I only use iCloud Drive for things like Pages documents, Numbers 
spreadsheets, etc. Everything else goes in Dropbox. I find it far easier to 
navigate.

> On Jul 2, 2023, at 7:40 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
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> One more question.  What about iCloud Drive?  I decided to make a shortcut on 
> my Windows 10 machine so that files stored in iCloud could easily find their 
> way to the dark side when needed.:). is there a way to make them online only 
> at least from the Win10 machine’s point of view?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2023, at 6:04 PM, Brandon Olivares  
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>> Yes, I do it all the time to save space. Just mark the folder as online only 
>> and everything under it should be marked and removed from the disk.
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
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>>> I assume that making Dropbox files online only decreases your local disk 
>>> consumption.  I further imagine that if you make a top level folder online 
>>> only it should make all the subfolders within it online as well.  Is that 
>>> true?  Do I have to go in and check Make Online only for each subfolder?  
>>> Worst yet, would I have to check online only for each individual file 
>>> within a subfolder?  That would be a horrendous. Drag if that’s the case.  
>>> Can someone let me know?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
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Re: Does making Dropbox folders online only decrease local disk consumption?

[Brandon Olivares]

Yes, I do it all the time to save space. Just mark the folder as online only 
and everything under it should be marked and removed from the disk.

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> I assume that making Dropbox files online only decreases your local disk 
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> only it should make all the subfolders within it online as well.  Is that 
> true?  Do I have to go in and check Make Online only for each subfolder?  
> Worst yet, would I have to check online only for each individual file within 
> a subfolder?  That would be a horrendous. Drag if that’s the case.  Can 
> someone let me know?
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Does anyone use multiple VO languages on a Mac

[Brandon Olivares]

Actually, I use activities to switch between English and French and it works 
just fine for me.

> On Jun 28, 2023, at 8:08 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
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> The solution is to make sure that Select based on language is not chosen in 
> the VO rotor.  Unfortunately, Certain actions cause VO to bounce to VO 
> Settings which defaults to that.  Maybe Activities are not the way to go in 
> this case.   Thanks, Donna.  
> 
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:57:02 PM UTC-5 Donna wrote:
> Hi Kevin, 
> 
> Cool that you’re learning Portuguese. I’ve always wanted to learn it. 
> 
> I have English, Spanish and Italian on my Mac. I have never noticed focus 
> issues when switching between them. However, I don’t use activities to 
> switch. I just switch in VO settings, (CMD, Option, CTRL, Shift left or right 
> arrow, then arrow up or down once you get to Language.) 
> Hope this helps, 
> Donna 
> 
> > On Jun 28, 2023, at 4:47 PM, Kevin Gibbs  > > wrote: 
> > 
> > Guys, 
> > 
> > I wrote here a few days back about some keyboard focus issues I was having 
> > using an M1 MacBook Pro running Monterey 12.67. but I want to set up a new 
> > topic because those focus issues were a minor complication as part of a 
> > larger problem. 
> > 
> > I’m trying to use Vo to help learn Portuguese. I’ve added a Portuguese 
> > voice and two activities that should result in the ability to shift between 
> > English and Portuguese as the Vo content language. While this was working 
> > initially, it went south when I noticed the focus issues I was talking 
> > about earlier. But I wonder if anyone on here who is bilingual has ever 
> > added multiple languages to Vo on the Mac to shift between reading in two 
> > or more different languages. 
> > 
> > Any guidance appreciated. 
> > 
> > Best, 
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Re: Unable to read tables in Safari

[Brandon Olivares]

I get it; I’m a bookkeeper and use QuickBooks on a daily basis and they have 
the same issue on some tables.

Honestly I’ve been using Chrome for more and more of my needs, especially for 
specialized applications like that where Safari just doesn’t do a great job. I 
can’t switch to it 100% as there are still certain things I prefer about 
Safari, but I’m certainly using Chrome a lot more.

> On Jun 26, 2023, at 8:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hey Brandon,
> 
> Thanks, this was really helpful.  I was able to reproduce what you describe 
> using the Tab key and opening the site in Chrome on my Mac. It was 
> interesting, too.  I had tried using the tab key before and not been able to 
> see show titles, so I must have done something differently the first time.  I 
> was also curious as to whether the issue is a Safari problem, a site 
> accessibility problem, or a little of both, but I don’t know enough HTML to 
> evaluate it as you did.  I am not trying to blame Apple, if the problem is 
> really poor website design.  But I do think I’m seeing more of this behavior. 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2023, at 7:13 AM, Brandon Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Have you tried Chrome? I just did with that website and while it also 
>> doesn’t read the table, I was able to tab through and see the show titles. 
>> Not super convenient but it was workable.
>> 
>> I think it comes down to the design, not necessarily the browser. I just 
>> looked at the HTML and honestly I’m surprised it would work on Windows at 
>> all. It is very poorly designed for accessibility. So I think at least some 
>> of the blame has to go to the designers who create these sorts of controls.
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2023, at 8:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No. You have to use a PC to view it.  But I’ve seen this more than once - 
>>> enough that it’s kind of a major problem in my opinion.  Not everyone owns 
>>> a Mac and a PC, and frankly, you shouldn’t have to to be able to read 
>>> information on the web.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 25, 2023, at 5:22 PM, Herbie Allen >>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I wonder if it’s a graphical table rather than a plain html one? I was 
>>>> curious so I tried reader mode, it didn’t even see the table. Regular 
>>>> tables work just fine though.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 25, 2023, at 07:39, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>> 
>>>>> For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different 
>>>>> address.  Here it is again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table.  You have to 
>>>>> scroll down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume 
>>>>> contains a list of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid.
>>>>> https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu <https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock >>>>> <mailto:michael@payown.media>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they 
>>>>>> experience issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a 
>>>>>> configuration issue that some of us have not made an order to navigate 
>>>>>> tables. All of the tables I have problems with our internal tools that I 
>>>>>> cannot share access to, however, it does pop up occasionally, and this 
>>>>>> is what pushed me to actually purchase parallels. I wanted to actually 
>>>>>> work, and could not do that in Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the 
>>>>>> Mac, as the table would not allow you to use your VoiceOver plus up and 
>>>>>> down, left and right keys in order to navigate it at all. And, disabling 
>>>>>> the ability to group tables had no impact.
>>>>>   
>>>>> 
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Re: Unable to read tables in Safari

[Brandon Olivares]

Have you tried Chrome? I just did with that website and while it also doesn’t 
read the table, I was able to tab through and see the show titles. Not super 
convenient but it was workable.

I think it comes down to the design, not necessarily the browser. I just looked 
at the HTML and honestly I’m surprised it would work on Windows at all. It is 
very poorly designed for accessibility. So I think at least some of the blame 
has to go to the designers who create these sorts of controls.

> On Jun 26, 2023, at 8:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> No. You have to use a PC to view it.  But I’ve seen this more than once - 
> enough that it’s kind of a major problem in my opinion.  Not everyone owns a 
> Mac and a PC, and frankly, you shouldn’t have to to be able to read 
> information on the web.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2023, at 5:22 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if it’s a graphical table rather than a plain html one? I was 
>> curious so I tried reader mode, it didn’t even see the table. Regular tables 
>> work just fine though.
>> 
>>> On Jun 25, 2023, at 07:39, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> 
>>> For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different 
>>> address.  Here it is again.
>>> 
>>> Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table.  You have to 
>>> scroll down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume 
>>> contains a list of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid.
>>> https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.
 
 It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
 issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration 
 issue that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of 
 the tables I have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share 
 access to, however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed 
 me to actually purchase parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could 
 not do that in Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table 
 would not allow you to use your VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right 
 keys in order to navigate it at all. And, disabling the ability to group 
 tables had no impact.
>>> 
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Re: Unable to read tables in Safari

[Brandon Olivares]

For what it’s worth, I’m still on Monterey and I could not read that table 
either.

> On Jun 25, 2023, at 10:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Michael,
> 
> For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different 
> address.  Here it is again.
> 
> Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table.  You have to scroll 
> down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume contains a 
> list of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid.
> https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari.
>> 
>> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they experience 
>> issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a configuration issue 
>> that some of us have not made an order to navigate tables. All of the tables 
>> I have problems with our internal tools that I cannot share access to, 
>> however, it does pop up occasionally, and this is what pushed me to actually 
>> purchase parallels. I wanted to actually work, and could not do that in 
>> Safari, or edge with VoiceOver on the Mac, as the table would not allow you 
>> to use your VoiceOver plus up and down, left and right keys in order to 
>> navigate it at all. And, disabling the ability to group tables had no impact.
>   
> 
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Re: Any Thoughts on Quickbooks

[Brandon Olivares]

Hello,

I recommend QuickBooks Online. I’m a Certified QuickBooks ProAdvisor trained to 
use the software and it is fairly accessible. I’m a professional bookkeeper so 
use it on a daily basis.

If you’re not comfortable using it though, feel free to pass on my details. It 
does have quite a learning curve. I also offer QB training so feel free to get 
in touch.

Thanks,
Brandon

> On Jun 15, 2023, at 1:38 PM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> Can anybody on this list offer any thoughts concerning the accessibility of 
> Quickbooks.
> 
> I’ve been asked to consider taking on the position of treasurer for my 
> township, but I’m seriously concerned whether or not I — as a totally blind 
> individual — would be able to execute that role efficiently and successfully.
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
> - Bill from Bayfield County, Wisconsin
> - "I hope I shall possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain"
> - "what I consider the most enviable of all titles,"
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Wow It Works!

[Brandon Olivares]

I thought I had heard that iPhone apps could sometimes run on the Mac but never 
tried it. But I’ve been desperate for a flashcards app for the Mac because I 
really don’t like using my phone that much.

I love Flashcards Deluxe so thought I’d try downloading it on my Mac, and it 
works great! It’s literally the only accessible flashcards app I’ve been able 
to find.

Just thought I’d mention it in case anyone was looking for a good flashcards 
app.

Brandon

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Link Preview in Facebook on Web

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Not sure if anyone else has posted about this, but when I’m on Facebook on web 
(the regular version, not mobile) it’s almost impossible to navigate because 
every time VoiceOver is on some name or other link, it pops up a dialog that 
says “link preview” and it’s really hard to get out of it.

I used to use the mobile version but I can’t click into posts in groups and 
such because it will just give a connection error.

Is anyone else experiencing this, and how have you worked around it?

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Re: Web site compatibility issues with Safari?

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Safari’s been dicey for me too, but I don’t like Chrome enough to switch 
completely. However several websites I’ll only use in chrome, like QuickBooks 
Online for example.

> On Feb 5, 2023, at 9:33 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Yes,
>  That happened to me a couple weeks ago with a web page, and now I can’t 
> remember which. But it was consistent and switching to MS-Edge it worked. 
> Agree that Safari is beginning to show cracks in its foundation. I’ve 
> switched back and forth for several months and finally have set Edge to be my 
> default browser and I find a more uniform browsing experience.
> 
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> On Feb 5, 2023, at 6:13 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> Several times recently, I’ve encountered errors from Web applications (e.g., 
> a “get” operation was submitted instead of a “put” operation, or a message 
> stating that too many errors occurred after submitting a form). This only 
> happens with Safari; all is fine if I use Google Chrome instead, and it has 
> happened across multiple Web sites.
> I’m running Mac OS Ventura 13.2. Are others noticing the same? I’ve read 
> elsewhere that Safari is behind Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome in Web 
> standards support, so this isn’t entirely surprising, but I’ve noticed it 
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Re: Simple Text Editors

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vim is my preference for Terminal but I only use it for small editing tasks, 
like writing commit messages for git, or quickly looking through a text file.

> On Jan 29, 2023, at 11:04 PM, Ryan Mann  wrote:
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> What app do you use for the terminal?  I tried ISH and VoiceOver seems 
> sluggish.  Also, I remember trying Nano with it and had trouble figuring out 
> where my cursor was using VoiceOver. 
> 
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>> On Jan 29, 2023, at 7:10 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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>> there’s always VI, Emacs and nano. They are all available in the terminal.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2023, at 6:49 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi ET,
>>> 
>>> I have a program on my iPhone and iPad called text editor, and it is just 
>>> that. A simple text editor. I can’t remember what it cost. But I don’t 
>>> think it was horribly expensive.
>>> HTH,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2023, at 5:03 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
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>>>>    Not even close to what I want but I did neglect to state that I want a 
>>>> plain text editor.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>>> --John F. Kennedy
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>>>>>> On 1/29/2023 2:39 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
>>>>> For the Mac, I generally just use TextEdit and it works fine for me. I 
>>>>> also like to use the Notes app for keeping quick notes I want to refer 
>>>>> back to later.
>>>>> For programming I use PHPStorm. But not sure the type of editor you’re 
>>>>> looking for.
>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2023, at 5:34 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Currently I have the Drafts app for iOS and iPadOS. The main feature I 
>>>>>> like about this app is it opens directly to the text area. But right now 
>>>>>> it opens to a prompt to go premium.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So am curious to know if there is another app like that that is free and 
>>>>>> does not have prompts to go premium. Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: Simple Text Editors

[Brandon Olivares]

For the Mac, I generally just use TextEdit and it works fine for me. I also 
like to use the Notes app for keeping quick notes I want to refer back to later.

For programming I use PHPStorm. But not sure the type of editor you’re looking 
for.

> On Jan 29, 2023, at 5:34 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Currently I have the Drafts app for iOS and iPadOS. The main feature I like 
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> to a prompt to go premium.
> 
>   So am curious to know if there is another app like that that is free and 
> does not have prompts to go premium. Thanks.
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Re: Anyone Having a Problem with Nightowl?

[Brandon Olivares]

Thanks, I appreciate the information everyone. It does seem very deliberate on 
Twitter’s part and if they do end up disabling all third party apps like this 
permanently, it might be what pushes me over the edge to just stop using 
Twitter. I’ve been thinking about it for a while anyway.

> On Jan 14, 2023, at 10:03 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
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> Hello,
> THe issue is that quite a few third party twitter clients are experiencing 
> this right now. Its not just night owl. 
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Brandon Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For the last two days, any time I open NightOwl, it asks me to 
>> reauthenticate Twitter. Which is fine, but the page to do so doesn’t 
>> actually load, and it constantly plays the error sound again and again and 
>> again. I’m unable to do anything else.
>> 
>> Is anyone else having this problem?
>> 
>> Brandon
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Anyone Having a Problem with Nightowl?

[Brandon Olivares]

For the last two days, any time I open NightOwl, it asks me to reauthenticate 
Twitter. Which is fine, but the page to do so doesn’t actually load, and it 
constantly plays the error sound again and again and again. I’m unable to do 
anything else.

Is anyone else having this problem?

Brandon

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Re: Goooggle Drive question

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There’s usually a download option in the toolbar in Drive. Just search for a 
button called Download. I’ve always been able to.

> On Dec 11, 2022, at 12:32 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> A friend has sent me an Email containing a link to an MP3 file on his Google 
> Drive. I am running Ventura 13.0.1 and am logged onto Google. When I click on 
> the above link Google presents me with a page from which I can play the MP3. 
> That’s great but I really want to download the MP3 to my iMac. How can I do 
> that?
> many thanks … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Time Tracking

[Brandon Olivares]

Thanks, but no. I need an app to track time per client/project and task and 
keep a log of all time entries so they can be totaled up.

> On Dec 3, 2022, at 12:15 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Not sure if this is the type of thing you want, but the Clock app has a 
> Stopwatch function as well as a timer.
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 23:13, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
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>> Any time tracking recommendations for the Mac? I need something for my 
>> business where I want to track time for clients, just for personal reference 
>> so I know how much time I’m spending on each client.
>> 
>> At my job we use Toggl but the web interface isn’t the most accessible, 
>> though the app isn’t bad.
>> 
>> Any other suggestions?
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>> Thanks,
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Time Tracking

[Brandon Olivares]

Any time tracking recommendations for the Mac? I need something for my business 
where I want to track time for clients, just for personal reference so I know 
how much time I’m spending on each client.

At my job we use Toggl but the web interface isn’t the most accessible, though 
the app isn’t bad.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks,
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Issue with Two-Finger Gestures on Trackpad in Monterey

[Brandon Olivares]

I just got a new MacBook Pro last month, which came with Monterey (I was still 
on Big Sur on my old laptop).

I’ve been having an issue that I can’t determine is a hardware or software 
issue. I’m thinking software because it only happens with two-finger gestures, 
so I wanted to see if anyone else has run into this.

Basically periodically when trying to perform any two finger gesture on the 
trackpad, it sometimes registers another two finger tap immediately afterwards 
(or sometimes just a one-finger tap).

For instance when trying to use two-finger tap to pause speech, sometimes it 
registers twice and so speech isn’t paused. Or when flicking down with two 
fingers to read all, sometimes it registers another two finger tap (or a one 
finger tap) immediately afterwards, which often causes me to lose my place in 
what I’m reading.

It’s been pretty annoying to say the least. I can otherwise use the trackpad 
just fine. I can flick, double tap, use three finger gestures, etc, all fine. 
It’s only when two fingers are used that I encounter this issue.

Is this a Monterey issue? Any suggestions on getting it fixed?

Thanks,
Brandon

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Can't Authorize Audible

[Brandon Olivares]

Hello,

I just got a new MacBook Pro and am now on Monterey (10.6.1).

I can’t seem to authorize Audible. I open the book, click yes to authorize, and 
it redirects me to Audible. I click activate, and it opens books again but 
nothing happens.

Has anyone else experienced this? I’m not sure how to authorize Audible so I 
can read my book.

Thanks,
Brandon

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Transfer Only Part of a User Account?

[Brandon Olivares]

I’m getting a new MacBook Pro tomorrow and want to know if there’s a way to 
transfer only part of a user account?

When I got this computer, my Documents folder was accidentally deleted and 
really messed up my configuration. I wanted to make sure I could start with a 
proper configuration on the new MacBook Pro and just transfer over things like 
my applications, settings, etc.

Is this possible somehow?

Thanks,
Brandon

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Music Shuffling by Group

[Brandon Olivares]

I've been noticing that when I shuffle in the Music app, it sometimes (not 
always for some reason) groups them by group. I've looked through the info tabs 
of the songs it's doing this for and can't see any difference between those and 
ones it's not grouping. I listen to mostly classical music so it groups 
together a lot of symphonies and such.

In the menu, the shuffle is set to song, not group.

Is there a way of disabling this altogether?

Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: Jumping to/from the top/bottom of a web page

[Brandon Olivares]

VO-shift-home should do it.

> On Sep 15, 2022, at 9:41 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> I seem to have problems doing this with the Safari web browser. How do I jump 
> up to the top or jump down to the bottom of a web page?
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Re: Absolutely fed up to the back teeth with the Facebook basic site

[Brandon Olivares]

That's weird; I've not been experiencing anything like that. The mobile site 
works well for me.

Brandon

> On Sep 14, 2022, at 12:46 AM, Michael Marshall  
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> hey all,
> I am absolutely fed up to the back teeth with the Facebook basic site.
> For awhile now, every time I try and respond to a comment on the desktop, I 
> get the message, content not available. Even with my own stuff.
> It's the same in Safari and Google Chrome.
> I have heard of some Windows users having this bug as well. It is driving me 
> to distraction.
> For now, I have to use the main site which is not a very pleasant experience 
> or, I have to use my phone.
> I've tried signing out and back in, I have clear browsing data, it certainly 
> is not anything at my end.
> Is anyone else having this bug?
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Re: Question re taking email accounts offline

[Brandon Olivares]

I used to use the same method of creating a mailbox that combined my personal 
accounts and making that cmd+1, then making my work mailbox cmd+2. Now… I just 
don't bother for some reason, a lot of my work emails come to my personal mail 
anyway since my GitHub account is attached to my personal email.

> On Sep 8, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Your method of taking it offline is better since you don’t seem to want it 
> completely out of sight.
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2022, at 07:17, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> Thanks!  That’s an interesting approach.  I have like three personal email 
>> addresses, so just taking the work account offline might be easier, but I’ll 
>> keep your solution in mind, in case mine turns out to have a fatal flaw.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2022, at 7:12 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had an issue similar to this, and what I did was to remove the all inbox 
>>> folder from favorites and add in separate Work and Home Inboxes instead. 
>>> Then I could type command-2 to review Work emails and and command-1  to 
>>> review personal ones.
>>> Let me know if you need more details.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2022, at 7:54 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Brad,
 
 I work remotely these days, so what I’m trying to accomplish is not seeing 
 my work email in the morning until I’m ready to go to work.  Taking the 
 account offline seems to have worked, the account is still offline from 
 when I took it offline before going to bed last night.  Is there any 
 advantage to disabling the account in System Prefs?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
 
> On Sep 7, 2022, at 10:18 PM, Bradford Snyder  > wrote:
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> Another way to do this, is to go to System Preferences > Internet 
> Accounts, and disable the mail account there.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 7, 2022, at 22:00, Herbie Allen  > wrote:
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> I am unaware of any reason why it would not enable until you do so. I had 
> sinking issues with an exchange mail server that I was unaware of for 
> several months. 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2022, at 20:21, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I would like to be able to disable my work email on my Mac when I don’t 
>> want to see those emails.  If I take that account offline, how long will 
>> it stay offline?  Ideally, I’d like it to stay offline until I bring it 
>> back online.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Help! I just did something weird in Safari

[Brandon Olivares]

Is there an alert or something the page popped up? Check the window chooser.

> On Sep 6, 2022, at 11:58 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
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> So I have absolutely no idea what I did, or how I did it.  Somehow, I opened 
> a webpage that I have bookmarked, such that it is stuck open.  There is 
> literally no way to close it.  Cmd-W doesn’t work.  CMD-Q won’t even close 
> Safari.  Clicking the close button doesn’t work.  What on earth is goin on, 
> and how do I close this stupid webpage?
> Thanks,
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Re: Reviewing the Terminal window

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Interact with the part that says “shell, text”. I use terminal every day and it 
works fine for me.

> On Aug 31, 2022, at 8:25 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
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> And I do that how?
> 
> 
> On 8/30/2022 7:18 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>> On 30/8/22 18:32, Steve Matzura wrote:
>>> Has something changed in Terminal? I used to be able to review the screen 
>>> contents simply by interacting with the window and moving the cursor 
>>> around. Now, I can't get the cursor off the title bar any more. What, if 
>>> anything, has changed?
>>> 
>> This should still work as it has done previously. Make sure you've actually 
>> interacted with the text of the terminal.
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Re: google drive Access-ability?

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I just suggest using Chrome; it tends to be more accessible for Google apps.

Brandon

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> On Aug 30, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Chuck Reichel  
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> Hi List,
> A studio client sent me an invite to a shared google drive folder and before 
> jumping in is there any quirks using VoiceOver?
> any thoughts?
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Re: Opening a Contiguous Set of Text Files Into a Single Document

[Brandon Olivares]

If you don't mind a terminal solution:

Cat file1.txt file2.txt file3.txt ... file16.txt > book.txt


> On Aug 25, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> That is interesting about the terminal. However, I gave the Zip instructions 
> because you had indicated you wanted a binder type file. 
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 08:38, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
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>> Herbie,
>> Okay, then you’re saying that when I unzip, it will come out as a single 
>> large text file? I don’t know how that is accomplished.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Farfar, Pioneer, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer, and Woodworker
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 6:07 AM, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
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>> You can do a Zip file. Select the files you want, bring up your context menu 
>> with VO Shift M, and go down to Compress. 
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2022, at 00:05, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have 16 text files from scanning pages. I want to open them and have them 
>>> all be one continuous text file.
>>> Is there a way to select these 16 text files in finder and then open them 
>>> or paste them into a single document? Sort of like a book binder app.
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Farfar, Pioneer, and Engineer
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Re: Audible on a Mac

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I just play them in the Books application. Works fine.

> On Aug 12, 2022, at 9:02 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> It can be done through the website. 
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>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 00:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>> How do I play a book from Audible on my Mac running Monterey?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Creating Screen Recordings on Mac

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Thanks. No I only need my microphone 
recorded.

Should I put the window into full screen mode to make sure nothing superfluous 
is being recorded? I'd rather not have other application windows showing up in 
the recording if I can help it.

Thanks,
Brandon
> On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:03 PM, Matthew Whitaker 
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> Hi. I would make it so it records the entire screen. That way you know 
> everything is being recorded. Once selected, go into the options and you can 
> choose your sound input and output device. If you would like to get more than 
> one source captured as far as audio goes, there are different ways of getting 
> that done… one of those things is using a software called Loop Back.
> Rogue Amoeba | Loopback: Cable-Free Audio Routing 
> <https://rogueamoeba.com/loopback/>
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> 
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>> On Aug 4, 2022, at 9:38 PM, Brandon Olivares > <mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Hey everyone,
>> 
>> I'm trying to figure out how to perform screen recordings on the Mac. I know 
>> cmd+shift+5 brings up the options but I'm not sure how to configure it. I 
>> need to do a recording in Chrome, with audio enabled.
>> 
>> I'm not sure whether to select to record the whole screen, or how I can just 
>> select to record the Chrome window. I selected “record selected portion of 
>> screen” but couldn't see how to select anything.
>> 
>> Any tips would be appreciated. I'm trying to create a YouTube video 
>> demonstrating how to use something. If there's a better way I should be 
>> going about this, please let me know.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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Creating Screen Recordings on Mac

[Brandon Olivares]

Hey everyone,

I'm trying to figure out how to perform screen recordings on the Mac. I know 
cmd+shift+5 brings up the options but I'm not sure how to configure it. I need 
to do a recording in Chrome, with audio enabled.

I'm not sure whether to select to record the whole screen, or how I can just 
select to record the Chrome window. I selected “record selected portion of 
screen” but couldn't see how to select anything.

Any tips would be appreciated. I'm trying to create a YouTube video 
demonstrating how to use something. If there's a better way I should be going 
about this, please let me know.

Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: pdf's that are images

[Brandon Olivares]

There's a great online service I use called OnlineOCR 
(https://www.onlineocr.net). I don't do OCR enough to pay for software to do 
it, and this you can pay for a number of pages and just upload your document 
and download the result.

> On Jul 21, 2022, at 8:09 AM, Chanelle Allen  wrote:
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> Voice Dream Reader for Mac has a feature to OCR Pdf image files. I forget 
> what the option is called and in which menu it may be found, but I used it 
> once or twice.
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2022, at 01:25, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> There's a document on the internet that I want to read and I can't because 
>> it's images. this has been discussed before I think. Is there anywhere I can 
>> send it or upload it to have ocr applied to it?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: paypal revisited.

[Brandon Olivares]

Wow, that's really degrading… sorry you experienced that. Someone needs to be 
retrained.

> On Jul 15, 2022, at 4:21 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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> Hi folks,
> Anyone know, even if via another list, of an accessibility contact for Paypal?
> Rather tired of being asked by paypal Canada if I have a friend ho can run my 
> computer for  me.
> Because of course a blind person cannot be living on their own.
> Thanks,
> Karen
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Re: M1 Mac mini just beeps

[Brandon Olivares]

It does? Just tried this on an M1 MacBook Pro and it didn't work for me. Doing 
that on the trackpad works though.

> On Jul 15, 2022, at 12:24 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> How about tapping the Touch Bar twice with three fingers? That toggles speech 
> on/off.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Farfar, Pioneer, and Engineer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 9:18 PM, Violet Gill  > wrote:
> 
> Yes that didn’t work. 
> 
>  Violet. 
> She/her.
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2022, at 00:03, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Did. You try to triple press the power button without holding the control 
>> key?
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, Musician, and Oregonian
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 9:02 PM, Violet Gill > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m using the apple magic keyboard with Touch ID.  
>> 
>>  Violet. 
>> She/her.
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2022, at 00:00, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don’t think you hold the control key while pressing the power button three 
>>> time. Try without the control key. Also, are you using the built-in 
>>> keyboard, or a Bluetooth or USB  connected keyboard? If so, you may need to 
>>> press a different key to emulate control.
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, Musician, and Oregonian
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Violet Gill >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried holding the command key and pressing the Touch ID button 3 
>>> times but with no result. This is very frustrating as I was hoping to use 
>>> my new Mac mini today. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Violet. 
>>> She/her.
>>> 
 On Jul 14, 2022, at 23:37, Janet Ingber >>> > wrote:
 
 Have you tried holding down the Command key and pressing the Touch ID 
 sensorthree times?  Here is the number for Apple’s help  for people 
 who have disabilities. This is a free service. 877 204-3930.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Janet
 
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:41 PM, Violet Gill  > wrote:
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> Yes I hope this can get resolved soon I can use sited assistance but I’m 
> stubborn lol hopefuly someone in this group has some answers maybe its a 
> quick thing that can be solved independently. 
> 
> 
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> She/her.
> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 22:18, Paul Mimms >> > wrote:
>> 
>> it will probably be most effective to use something like AIRA or be my 
>> eyes, if not a sighted person, to tell you what’s going on by viewing 
>> the screen. Wish I could come up with an answer but I hope you can find 
>> one yourself soon.
>> 
>> paul8...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about 
>> it, and what you make of it.
>> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro
>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 7:16 PM, Violet Gill >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, when I turn my mac on I do not get any message to activate 
>>> voiceover and I have tried pressing command f5 but all i get is a beep 
>>> same goes for pressing any other key on the keyboard.  Yes this is my 
>>> first mac. 
>>> 
>>> Violet. 
>>> She/her.
>>> 
 On Jul 14, 2022, at 20:05, Janet Ingber >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Violet,
 
 Is this your first Mac? When you turn your Mac on, Do you get a 
 message to activate VoiceOver.? If not, type Command-F5. Let me know 
 what happens.
 
 Best,
 Janet
 
 
 
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> Hello. I’m relatively new here. I just acquired a new M1 Mac mini. 
> I’m trying to set it up with voiceover enabled but when I turn it on 
> and press buttons on the keyboard all I get is beep beep no matter 
> what key I press. 
> I hope this can be solved. Thank you so much. 
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Re: Terminal and voiceover

[Brandon Olivares]

I'm a programmer so I spend lots of time in the Terminal. I've never had any 
issue with it. Sometimes VoiceOver won't read every single line, but before an 
important operation where I want to read all the output, I press cmd+K to clear 
the screen and so the only output is from the next command I type. That tends 
to help.

> On Jun 26, 2022, at 10:55 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the warning.
> I do not use any Linux speech as it is for the same reason this  quest for 
> voiceover took so long.
> Granted I have scores of possible apple things to do long before considering  
> work in the terminal, but I have even less reason to spend energy in that 
> direction.
> Thanks again,
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> 
>> No, voiceover does not work flawlessly. There are times when only the first 
>> couple and last couple lines are spoken. I think that if information is 
>> written in multiple blocks, then this occurs.
>> Also, by default terminal has a infinite scroll back, and voiceover can 
>> visit all of this. So if you are in a curses based editor (vi, mvi, emacs) 
>> then using the VO commands to go to top of window will bring you not to the 
>> first line in the terminal window, but the first line in the history of the 
>> terminal window.
>> I believe there is a different terminal available with home-brew that some 
>> people says works better with VoiceOver. There is also a way to get 
>> EMACSpeak.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2022, at 19:44, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And voiceover works flawlessly in terminal?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 The other option is to run Terminal and use the mv command at the shell 
 prompt.
 
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> All best,
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Re: slack and voiceover?

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I do for work, yes.

Brandon

> On Jun 25, 2022, at 10:35 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> Anyone using slack with voiceover?
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Re: Safari incredibly sluggish

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This has been happening to me as well and emptying the cache unfortunately 
hasn't helped.

> On May 27, 2022, at 4:58 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> @Lorie: Press CMD + Option + e
> 
> @Phil: Seems to work. Haven’t heard the busy message again. Thanks a lot.
> 
> Jürgen
> 
> 
>> Am 27.05.2022 um 07:30 schrieb Lorie McCloud > >:
>> 
>> it might. I'm using a Mac mini but it's from 2014. can you tell me how to 
>> clear my caches?
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2022, at 5:50 PM, Phil Halton >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> That’s odd, I’m running Catalina on a 2013 MacBook Air and I have 
>>> absolutely no problems with Safari. I wonder if clearing out your caches 
>>> might help? I know I’ve done it a few times.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 26, 2022, at 6:41 PM, Jonathan Cohn >>> > wrote:
 
 I find that Firefox is a bit slow to s on startup and quitting but is 
 fairly responsive when just navigating. 
 
Best wishes,
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On May 26, 2022, at 14:20, Jürgen Fleger  > wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I know this has been a topic for a while: I use Safari on a Mac from 
> 2014. Everythings still fine except for Safari which is constantly busy. 
> It takes Safari ages to calm down and to let me browse the web. A lot of 
> you might share this experience.
> 
> I wonder which browser might be recommendable instead of Safari. Which 
> one would you reccomend to avoid the busy message?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
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Re: What's the correct key press to insert an emoji on the Mac?

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How does it get transferred from the iPhone to Mac? Is it just automatic?

> On May 25, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Using the phone, go to Settings,  General, Keyboard, and text Replacement. go 
> to the add button, the first option is the phrase, Switch to your emoji 
> keyboard on the phone and find emoji you want. then in the shortcut field, 
> write the key combination you want for that  Emoji. something like S F for 
> Smily Face, etc. Hit Save, then on your Mac, type in the key combination and 
> Space, and it should be there.
> 
>> On May 25, 2022, at 09:35, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Interesting idea.  Maybe a dumb question, but how would you do that?
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2022, at 8:42 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use a third party app called Rocket as I couldn’t get the emoji's to play 
>>> nice on the Mac. A work around though, you could use your phone to create 
>>> text  replacements with an emoji then use the key combination on the Mac. 
>>> this even saves time on the phone as well if you have common emojis you 
>>> like to use.
>>> 
 On May 25, 2022, at 08:24, Jessica Moss  wrote:
 
 I honestly was wondering that myself, sense I’ve run into that same issue.
 
> On May 25, 2022, at 9:10 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> Question says it all.  I have no problem finding the one I want, but no 
> key that I press seems to insert it into my document.  I’ve tried space, 
> enter, and command option space.  What’s the magic key?  Running 
> Monterrey now, in case that’s relevant.
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Re: What's the correct key press to insert an emoji on the Mac?

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Just VO-space works perfectly for me.

> On May 25, 2022, at 9:10 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
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> Question says it all.  I have no problem finding the one I want, but no key 
> that I press seems to insert it into my document.  I’ve tried space, enter, 
> and command option space.  What’s the magic key?  Running Monterrey now, in 
> case that’s relevant.
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Re: opening a .rar file on my mac m1

[Brandon Olivares]

Yes, I also just started using the Unarchiver and it works great for .rar files.

> On Apr 25, 2022, at 12:43 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
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> I use an app on my M1 called the unarchiver which is free. It does a good job.
> I use 7zip on my windows machine and in fact just had to settle for 920 
> because I went to the 7zip web site to get 2106 and had issues downloading it 
> so just used version 920 on my windows 11 Pro.
> I do like the unarchiver on my M1 Mac though.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2022, at 12:38 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> I would try googling mac apps that open those files or try the app store. 
>> Even on Windows, that format is a specialized one.
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2022, at 06:31, Patrick Ford  wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> I tried to open a .rar file on my m1 mac, but it did not open. It does, 
>>> however, play on the vlc app which seems strange since it did not open. How 
>>> does a .rar file open on a mac? Thanks.
>>> Patrick 
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Re: Trying to run Applet to make Wordle accessible, how do I modify the URL when creating a new bookmark

[Brandon Olivares]

Yes, it's right after the settings button for me.

> On Jan 30, 2022, at 2:00 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I’ve gotten the applet to work on the site, the only problem is that I can’t 
> see the word that I entered which would be really helpful. Are you able to 
> see the word that you entered?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Brandon Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I use an app called TextExpander which expands keyboard abbreviations into 
>> longer text. I took the JavaScript from that accessible Wordle site and made 
>> it into a snippet in that app. Then I just make it paste into the address 
>> bar when I'm on the Wordle page and that works perfectly.
>> 
>> I think there's also a shortcuts option in system preferences that might 
>> work the same way.
>> 
>> Brandon
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 1:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> Yep. That’s what I eventually figure it out. That’s pretty crazy. I don’t 
>>> know why Apple makes it so hard to do this. I eventually gave up on the Mac 
>>> and I’m trying to make it work on my iPhone. I’ve gotten a little bit 
>>> farther, but it’s still not working as it seems like it ought to.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Jonathan Cohn >>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Wow editing bookmarks on IOS is not exactly intuitive.  I believe you 
>>>> have to first add the bookmark and then open up the bookmarks list and 
>>>> click the edit botton at the bottom of the screen. Then you should be able 
>>>> to find the Bookmark you just added and edit the URL.
>>>> HTH!
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2022, at 17:46, Jen . >>>> <mailto:jencol...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I am trying to be able to do this on my iPhone and iPad so if you figure 
>>>>> out how to do that I would appreciate any help since I have tried doing 
>>>>> what the instructions say and it won't work.  I have been playing on my 
>>>>> Windows PC using Google Chrome and there is an extension you can enable 
>>>>> and it works OK but haven't found a workaround for my phone or tablet and 
>>>>> I too have thought about sending an email to the guy who created this 
>>>>> game but just haven't had the time to do this yet.  I do love playing the 
>>>>> game.
>>>>> Jen
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2022, at 4:12 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m trying to follow the instructions on this page so I can play Wordle. 
>>>>>>  The problem I’m having is that Safari won’t allow me to modify the URL 
>>>>>> of the book mark, in fact I can’t even see the URL field.  Does anyone 
>>>>>> know of a way to do this in Safari on Big Sur?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you’re curious, the page with the instructions is here:
>>>>>> Is here:
>>>>>> https://minorninth.github.io/accessible-wordle/?fbclid=IwAR3fqz_bVI05h8vXIBJWXVUe9qxkFhF0T7QiaE-hZ3C0Bsp0PjfwwJ0svog
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> <https://minorninth.github.io/accessible-wordle/?fbclid=IwAR3fqz_bVI05h8vXIBJWXVUe9qxkFhF0T7QiaE-hZ3C0Bsp0PjfwwJ0svog>
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>>>>>>  I’m trying it on my Mac now, next going to try it on my iPad.
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Re: Trying to run Applet to make Wordle accessible, how do I modify the URL when creating a new bookmark

[Brandon Olivares]

I use an app called TextExpander which expands keyboard abbreviations into 
longer text. I took the JavaScript from that accessible Wordle site and made it 
into a snippet in that app. Then I just make it paste into the address bar when 
I'm on the Wordle page and that works perfectly.

I think there's also a shortcuts option in system preferences that might work 
the same way.

Brandon

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> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> Yep. That’s what I eventually figure it out. That’s pretty crazy. I don’t 
> know why Apple makes it so hard to do this. I eventually gave up on the Mac 
> and I’m trying to make it work on my iPhone. I’ve gotten a little bit 
> farther, but it’s still not working as it seems like it ought to.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow editing bookmarks on IOS is not exactly intuitive.  I believe you have 
>> to first add the bookmark and then open up the bookmarks list and click the 
>> edit botton at the bottom of the screen. Then you should be able to find the 
>> Bookmark you just added and edit the URL.
>> HTH!
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2022, at 17:46, Jen . >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I am trying to be able to do this on my iPhone and iPad so if you figure 
>>> out how to do that I would appreciate any help since I have tried doing 
>>> what the instructions say and it won't work.  I have been playing on my 
>>> Windows PC using Google Chrome and there is an extension you can enable and 
>>> it works OK but haven't found a workaround for my phone or tablet and I too 
>>> have thought about sending an email to the guy who created this game but 
>>> just haven't had the time to do this yet.  I do love playing the game.
>>> Jen
>>> 
 On Jan 29, 2022, at 4:12 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
  Hi all,
 
 I’m trying to follow the instructions on this page so I can play Wordle.  
 The problem I’m having is that Safari won’t allow me to modify the URL of 
 the book mark, in fact I can’t even see the URL field.  Does anyone know 
 of a way to do this in Safari on Big Sur?
 
 If you’re curious, the page with the instructions is here:
 Is here:
 https://minorninth.github.io/accessible-wordle/?fbclid=IwAR3fqz_bVI05h8vXIBJWXVUe9qxkFhF0T7QiaE-hZ3C0Bsp0PjfwwJ0svog
  
 
 
  I’m trying it on my Mac now, next going to try it on my iPad.
 
 
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Re: Slack and Voice-over, Can anyone help please?

[Brandon Olivares]

Hi,

Slack seems to be working again. has anyone else noticed that?

Brandon

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> KPI’S.
> Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the desktop app.
> I’m noticing VO cutting off speech and a horrible UI in general.
>
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Re: Slack and Voice-over, Can anyone help please?

[Brandon Olivares]

Not sure when you started using it, but I literally just started noticing this 
issue earlier this week. Before then, it worked great: no interruptions in 
speech at all. I’ve been thinking of asking about it on this list as well.

The web version works pretty well if you want to try that. I’m hoping whatever 
bug there is in the desktop app gets fixed. Not really sure if it’s worth 
reporting or even how I would do it.

Brandon

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> I’m noticing VO cutting off speech and a horrible UI in general. 
> 
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Re: Safari Busy

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Odd. How many tabs do you have open? I have a lot of tabs open at any given 
time, so maybe it’s that? Though I have 16 GB of RAM so I wouldn’t think it’s 
that.

> On Aug 13, 2021, at 7:07 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> On 13/8/21 6:41 pm, Brandon Olivares wrote:
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> Does anyone else have this issue? I’m on Big Sur.
> I haven't had the issue at all on Big Sur.
> I'm running it on a late 2013 MacBook Pro - one of the oldest machines that 
> supports this release. I don't know why it's running into performance issues 
> for you and not for me.
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Safari Busy

[Brandon Olivares]

Hi,

Safari has been freezing a lot. Often when I just open a new window, it’s hard 
to navigate anywhere because Safari keeps saying it’s busy. Also in any window, 
if I just press cmd+l to get to the address bar, it often freezes.

Does anyone else have this issue? I’m on Big Sur.

Thanks,
Brandon

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Issue with Playlists on Music

[Brandon Olivares]

I’m having an issue in the Music app on my MacBook Pro. A lot of my songs are 
not appearing on my computer, though they show up on my phone. They were added 
to my library from Apple Music.

I thought maybe it was an issue with the network, as I was just on vacation. 
But I just got home and so am now on my home network and it’s still not 
updating.

It’s causing one of my playlists to not show up at all, and I can’t figure out 
how to resolve it.

Also sometimes when I’m looking through my lists of playlists, I get this error:

Genius results can’t be updated right now. An internal server error occurred.

Any idea what’s going on here?

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Re: Select one character

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That’s exactly how you do it. After reading the character it should say 
“selected”, which means you’ve selected that character.

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TextExpander Problems

[Brandon Olivares]

Does anyone here use TextExpander?

It’s worked fine for years, and now just yesterday I upgrade it, and now it 
barely works.

In the app, it keeps popping up a menu that I can’t seem to get out of, the 
menu contains things like “disable expansion”, “new snippet”, “preferences”, 
“sign out”, “quit”, etc. If I hit escape, sometimes it works, but sometimes it 
doesn’t. But the moment I navigate with the trackpad, or hit VO-right or left, 
the menu pops back up.

Also actually typing a snippet is all but impossible, if it contains a fill-in 
field. That same menu pops up, and I often can’t get out of it.

I contacted support but they don’t immediately know what the problem is. Has 
anyone else used this app on the Mac?

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Re: Emoji's on the Mac?

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I don’t get exactly what you are doing? I just have to interact with the 
category name and I see all the emojis there.

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> On Feb 9, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> I actually noticed that as well, and was wondering if I was doing something 
> wrong, sense I couldn’t seem to figure out how to simply select one.
> 
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>> Ok, so I am doing the control, command spacebar to bring up the emojis’, but 
>> when I select a category it selects the 1st one, instead of letting me pick 
>> 1 from the table,  what is the secret to this?
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Re: this freaking touchbar is the worse gimmick I have come across

[Brandon Olivares]

Honestly I enjoy the TouchBar. I don’t use it a lot but I do find it helpful 
occasionally.

Just a tip, if it stops responding, restarting VoiceOver can sometimes help, or 
switching out of and back into the application you’re in.

Also, I thought I heard Touch Bar is being discontinued, so you may not have to 
deal with it for long.

Brandon

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> On Feb 3, 2021, at 8:04 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
> 
> After a few months of my macbook 16 inch in heavy rotation, I have to be 
> frank with the touch bar. It's an utterly useless, cluttery, annoying piece 
> of tech which has no place where it sits. Everything else is world class, as 
> expected from Apple. I just don't know why they tried squeezing this useless 
> touchscreen, with my 2 cents on why below:
> 
> 1-It's not reactive at all. Sometimes, it does not react or speak anything 
> nno matter what I do. To solve this, sometimes I just keep moving my finger 
> across left to right until hopefully something occurs. By that time, it 
> really doesn't matter whether a touchbar is there or not.
> 2-It always gets in the way when I type. Keeps announcing f12 as my finger 
> barely even brushes (or does my finger brush that area?). Just like cabs, the 
> touch screen is never there when needed, always there when not.
> 3-The haptic part, obviously, is pretty much a foregone design flaw for blind 
> users like myself. 
> 
> The reason I did not upgrade from an older macbook was because of the 
> keyboards they had for a while, and the touchbar. Once my macbook was pretty 
> much beyond retirement, my only choice was to have the greatest of the 
> portable. I feel a bit cheated here, particularly knowing that the intel chip 
> inside might actually not have the capacity to wake the touchbar up in a 
> reactive way.
> 
> That's it, now I'm happy to get back to work.
> 
> Yuma 
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Re: Announcing indentation

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As far as I know, there is no way. I’m a professional developer and have never 
found a way to get VO to announce the indentation.

Nine times out of ten I really don’t need to, since my editor takes care of 
indentation automatically. But if I do need to check, I just put the cursor at 
the first non-space character of the line, then press down-arrow and see if 
it’s still at the first character. If right arrow announces a space, then I 
know there’s another level of indentation. But again this hasn’t been a big 
issue for me.

Brandon

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 10:53 PM, Brett Lewis  wrote:
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> Thanks,  I thought this would be easy and I was just missing something.
> Brett
> 
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 1:09 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>> Ok. I wasn’t sure. There has to be a command to do this. I will do some 
>> checking around.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
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>>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 2:54 PM, Brett Lewis  wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> Thanks for the suggestion.
>>> Sadly VO-t doesn’t seem to do anything in Visual Studio Code.
>>> I just tried it here in the message and it only did font size/type/color.
>>> Anyway, I learned a new command.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brett
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 18, 2021, at 11:40 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
 
 Does VO-t do it? That is the text attribute command. Not sure if it does 
 indentation though.
 
 
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> On Jan 18, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Brett Lewis  wrote:
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> Hi All:
> I aim hoping I have missed something, but I can’t seem to figure out how 
> to get Voiceover on the Mac to announce how indented my caret is.
> Ideally, there would be a way to get Voiceover to announce the number of 
> spaces or tabs at the beginning of a line.
> Short of that, is there a way to get my current caret position announced?
> I am specifically interested in doing this in a code editor (visual 
> studio code in this case), but any idea would be great.
> I have tried setting a web Spot on the control that announces the ln and 
> col but this fails about half the time.
> Any ideas would really be nice.
> Brett
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Re: Flash card app?

[Brandon Olivares]

If you’re OK with just iPhone, Flashcards Deluxe is the best app I’ve found. It 
syncs with Dropbox, has simple text import via tab-separated values, supports 
spaced repetition, and is really easy to use. The apps author is very 
responsive as well.

I’ve never found an accessible flashcards app for the Mac. Anki is useless 
unfortunately, which is what most people use.

Brandon

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> Hi all, I’m looking for a flash card app for the Mac. Ideally, I’d like it to 
> sync between my devices, but it isn’t a deal breaker if it doesn’t.
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Re: Is mail chimp accessible?

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I haven’t used it for years, but it used to not be too bad. But I far prefer 
ConvertKit, it’s generally very accessible and it has far more features.

Brandon

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> Hello All:
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> Does anyone have info about mail chimp and voiceover accessibility?
> Thanks in advance,
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Re: Amadeus Pro insertion point question

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Hi,

Yeah you’re right, but I sync the two heads quite a bit as I find it easier 
that way. CMD+Y = move insertion point to play head, and CMD+shift+Y = move 
play head to insertion point. So I find the place I want with the play head, 
then move the insertion point there. Or if I’m at a certain insertion point and 
I play ahead to see where I am, I can jump back to the insertion point by 
moving the play head there.

Works for me. No idea if this is how most people do it.

Brandon

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> Hi Brandon,
> 
> Thanks for the tip about pressing Cmd g.  So that tells me the
> location of the insertion point right?  But when you say you press
> space to see where you are - that's  the playhead right?  Which is
> different from the insertion point...?
> 
> Catherine
> 
> On 1/3/21, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
>> No pressing the arrow keys won’t make any noise. Generally I press space to
>> see where I am, or cmd+G to get the current location in minutes and
>> seconds.
>> 
>> Brandon
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:53 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
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>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am new to using Amadeus Pro and am working my way through Jonathan
>>> Mosen's tutorial - though it's a few years old, I'm hoping I can still
>>> learn a lot from it.
>>> 
>>> I'm having a problem understanding what's going on with the insertion
>>> point while the music is not playing.  In the tutorial, it says that
>>> while the file is not playing, pressing left and right arrows will
>>> move the insertion point.  Then he demonstrates this by saying "if I
>>> press the left arrow key we're at the beginning of the file" and we
>>> hear some audio playing.  But when I press left arrow with the file
>>> paused, I don't hear audio.  He then goes on to talk about how it just
>>> so happens the insertion point is where he wants it to make the cut he
>>> wants.  But I don't understand how he knows where the insertion point
>>> is.
>>> 
>>> So I'm wondering whether, while sound is not playing, pressing the
>>> left/right arrow keys is supposed to make some sound play.  If not,
>>> how can we know where the insertion point is?  Perhaps this behaviour
>>> has changed with later versions of Amadeus.  Or perhaps in the
>>> tutorial he's doing something else he doesn't describe to make the
>>> sound at the insertion point play - though this seems very unlikely.
>>> 
>>> Please can anyone help me understand what's meant to happen to the
>>> insertion point when we move it with the file not playing?  And/or how
>>> can I find out where the insertion point is?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Catherine
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Re: Amadeus Pro insertion point question

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No pressing the arrow keys won’t make any noise. Generally I press space to see 
where I am, or cmd+G to get the current location in minutes and seconds.

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> On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:53 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I am new to using Amadeus Pro and am working my way through Jonathan
> Mosen's tutorial - though it's a few years old, I'm hoping I can still
> learn a lot from it.
> 
> I'm having a problem understanding what's going on with the insertion
> point while the music is not playing.  In the tutorial, it says that
> while the file is not playing, pressing left and right arrows will
> move the insertion point.  Then he demonstrates this by saying "if I
> press the left arrow key we're at the beginning of the file" and we
> hear some audio playing.  But when I press left arrow with the file
> paused, I don't hear audio.  He then goes on to talk about how it just
> so happens the insertion point is where he wants it to make the cut he
> wants.  But I don't understand how he knows where the insertion point
> is.
> 
> So I'm wondering whether, while sound is not playing, pressing the
> left/right arrow keys is supposed to make some sound play.  If not,
> how can we know where the insertion point is?  Perhaps this behaviour
> has changed with later versions of Amadeus.  Or perhaps in the
> tutorial he's doing something else he doesn't describe to make the
> sound at the insertion point play - though this seems very unlikely.
> 
> Please can anyone help me understand what's meant to happen to the
> insertion point when we move it with the file not playing?  And/or how
> can I find out where the insertion point is?
> 
> Thanks,
> Catherine
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Re: 90 percent loaded

[Brandon Olivares]

Sounds like maybe a remote resource, like a remote script or something, might 
be down and so the browser can’t load it. If that’s the case, the video should 
still play.

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> On Jan 1, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to play a video on my Mac using Safari: not on youtube. it's just 
> sitting there at 90 percent loaded. I've tried reloading but it stops at the 
> same place. is there a way to get it to load completely?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: I'm reading very long documents on my Mac?

[Brandon Olivares]

Also swipe down with two fingers on the trackpad. That’s how I generally do it.

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> On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Chris Westbrook  wrote:
> 
> I think you are looking for vo+a for read all. This should read from the 
> cursor to the end of the document. Hope this helps.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 8:43 PM Maurice Mines  <mailto:mmines.h...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I DES you are simply this, how do I read it in a document from beginning to 
> end. In this case it is a  magazine. So it is definitely longform reading and 
> what I'm looking for is the exact voiceover keystroke that will allow me to 
> do this? I'm happy to know you use textedit if it were to use it. Thank 
> goodness texted it reads word d documents. Because that's 99.9% of the 
> reading but gets downloaded that our download it. Another words the bottom 
> line here years what voiceover I keystroke well allow me to read continuously 
> from the beginning of the document to the end of the document. That's the 
> main the reason for the questions.
> 
> Please note I set my comments above our mind, they do not reflect the views 
> of the national Federation of the blind, or the national for the blind deaf 
> blind division. Note number two do you wear that I am dictating this to the 
> computer, bicep apples built and software. If there's something that I'm 
> written that you don't understand, please reach out to me and asked what my 
> original intent wires. I will do everything I can to help clear up any 
> misunderstandings that may occur due to the he talks written above. Thank you 
> for reading this.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 01:26, Brandon Olivares > <mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t understand the issue? I generally just use TextEdit, and haven’t 
>> encountered any issues with it.
>> 
>> “Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven” – Satan, from Milton’s 
>> Paradise Lost
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 7:36 PM, maurice Mines >> <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I find myself having to read a very lengthy document on my Mac, I've 
>>> heard of several potential ways of doing this but none of them are working. 
>>> So I'm looking for suggestions? I am using a 2020 MacBook Pro running Big 
>>> Sur 11.1. Add anyone found anything to be affective? My wordprocessing 
>>> possibilities in terms of applications to read this document are Microsoft 
>>> word but the Mac, or tax edit. Along time ago I had pages but I don't 
>>> anymore. If this is the appropriate application to use to do this, where do 
>>> I download it from? And has it been updated to run on the current operating 
>>> system?
>>> 
>>> Two important notes, one my comments and questions above I am asking as a 
>>> person. Not a representative of of the national Federation of the blind 
>>> deaf blind division. I do however sit on the board and 85% of the emails 
>>> that I sent from my computer are related to that, I am very much a 
>>> volunteer and that's endeavor. Two the above text hats made it to the 
>>> computer by means of apples I built in dictation software. So if there are 
>>> errors above, they may be the result of the dictation process, Or action 
>>> software. If there's something that you truly do not understand please 
>>> reach out to me and asked me what my original intent may have band I will 
>>> do my very best to help clear up any potential misunderstandings that may 
>>> arise from the text. Thank you for reading this.
>>> maurice Mines
>>> m
>>> aur...@maurice-amines.com <mailto:aur...@maurice-amines.com>
>>> 
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>>> Live the life you want. 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division, a proud division 
>>> of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and 
>>> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every 
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>>> 
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