Re: New window versus new tab

[Chris Moore]

Linda, 

I totally forgot about Command +  (accent) `  yes this is a very good way to 
cycle through open windows, quicker then VO+F2, although pressing F2 twice 
reads out the title of the current window and the title of the other open 
windows when moving the cursor keys up and down.  That is what I love about the 
Mac, there are so many ways to do the same task which enables you to find a way 
that suits you instead of being forced to do it one way only.

Chris 
On 24 Jun 2010, at 00:27, Linda Adams wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> Yes, your explanation was very good.  BTW, I've been using
> command-accent to cycle through windows.  Since I've gotten used to
> that, I guess I'll stick with it.
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:40 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New window versus new tab
> 
> 
> Ok I can appreciate why this might be confusing.  For myself when I was
> sighted a few months ago I always preferred tabs as it visually keeps
> the desktop tidy and keeps all your safari windows in one place.  Plus
> if I was on several different websites such as Amazon or Play i could
> quickly compare prices between the two sites instead of having to keep
> moving open windows around.
> 
> As a blind user now I guess it just comes down to what you are used to
> and comfortable with  With tabs I can quickly cycle through them with
> Control + TAB.  But equally so with open windows you can VO+F2 and then
> select the window from the list.
> 
> So there is no right or wrong way, I would just say for a sighted person
> I think most people would prefer tabs.
> 
> Does this answer your question?
> 
> Chris 
> On 23 Jun 2010, at 23:24, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Chris and others,
>> 
>> I need a simple basic explanation of the difference (in Safari) 
>> between opening a new window with command N versus opening a new tab 
>> with command T. Are they used differently in some way?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Linda
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:17 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating
> 
>> by form field and text
>> 
>> 
>> In the voice utility VO+F8 you can activate sounds and this will give 
>> you an indication when a web page has loaded.  This will save you from
> 
>> having to use the auto speak tor page summary read out when a web page
> 
>> is loaded.
>> 
>> Quick Nav is toggled on and off by pressing left and right together.
>> 
>> To open a new tab, press command + T
>> To cycle through the open tabs select  Control + Tab
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> If you want to send apple any feedback go to www.apple.com/feedback 
>> and you can also write to accessibil...@apple.com
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> On 23 Jun 2010, at 07:58, Alfredo wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for verifying my suspicion that having the page read
>>> automatically made me not land on an edit field automatically.  This 
>>> will help me tremendously as I am an avid internet user and do not 
>>> need to know if a page is loaded or not.  Although, it would be nice 
>>> to have an audio feedback when the page loads, or the option to set
> on
>> 
>>> instead of having the page be read automatically upon opening. 
>>> Jumping
>> 
>>> by element would be a great feature, a time saver, and I believe it 
>>> is
>> 
>>> needed, I will write about about this.  I did not know that you could
>>> browse the web with such ease using quick nave, you activate quick 
>>> nave by pressing the up arrow key in conjunction with the down arrow 
>>> key right?  Thanks for the command VO + J, to jump to the text edit 
>>> field, I did not this existed as the starting guide has not told me
> or
>> 
>>> did not tell me, or explained this.  Even greater thanks for the
>>> suggestion to click command + L, then VO + right arrow, twice, to get
> 
>>> to do a Google search.  Do you know if this will open a new tab, or 
>>> will it just replace the webpage I am on?  Is the control
>>> + option +T command used in voice over or in jaws?
>>> Thanks,
>>> alfredo
>>> 
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Re: New window versus new tab

[Chris Moore]

Ok I can appreciate why this might be confusing.  For myself when I was sighted 
a few months ago I always preferred tabs as it visually keeps the desktop tidy 
and keeps all your safari windows in one place.  Plus if I was on several 
different websites such as Amazon or Play i could quickly compare prices 
between the two sites instead of having to keep moving open windows around.

As a blind user now I guess it just comes down to what you are used to and 
comfortable with  With tabs I can quickly cycle through them with Control + 
TAB.  But equally so with open windows you can VO+F2 and then select the window 
from the list.

So there is no right or wrong way, I would just say for a sighted person I 
think most people would prefer tabs.

Does this answer your question?

Chris 
On 23 Jun 2010, at 23:24, Linda Adams wrote:

> Chris and others,
> 
> I need a simple basic explanation of the difference (in Safari) between
> opening a new window with command N versus opening a new tab with
> command T.
> Are they used differently in some way?
> 
> TIA,
> Linda
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:17 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating
> by form field and text
> 
> 
> In the voice utility VO+F8 you can activate sounds and this will give
> you an indication when a web page has loaded.  This will save you from
> having to use the auto speak tor page summary read out when a web page
> is loaded.
> 
> Quick Nav is toggled on and off by pressing left and right together.
> 
> To open a new tab, press command + T
> To cycle through the open tabs select  Control + Tab 
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> If you want to send apple any feedback go to www.apple.com/feedback and
> you can also write to accessibil...@apple.com
> 
> Hope this helps 
> On 23 Jun 2010, at 07:58, Alfredo wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for verifying my suspicion that having the page read 
>> automatically made me not land on an edit field automatically.  This 
>> will help me tremendously as I am an avid internet user and do not 
>> need to know if a page is loaded or not.  Although, it would be nice 
>> to have an audio feedback when the page loads, or the option to set on
> 
>> instead of having the page be read automatically upon opening. Jumping
> 
>> by element would be a great feature, a time saver, and I believe it is
> 
>> needed, I will write about about this.  I did not know that you could 
>> browse the web with such ease using quick nave, you activate quick 
>> nave by pressing the up arrow key in conjunction with the down arrow 
>> key right?  Thanks for the command VO + J, to jump to the text edit 
>> field, I did not this existed as the starting guide has not told me or
> 
>> did not tell me, or explained this.  Even greater thanks for the 
>> suggestion to click command + L, then VO + right arrow, twice, to get 
>> to do a Google search.  Do you know if this will open a new tab, or 
>> will it just replace the webpage I am on?  Is the control
>> + option +T command used in voice over or in jaws?
>> Thanks,
>> alfredo
>> 
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Re: Needing help with Itunes radio

[Chris Moore]

Does VO + \ not have the desired effect?

On 23 Jun 2010, at 23:09, Ben King wrote:

> Dear Courtney,
> All you do is when something is collapsed you press the two arrow keys 
> together and then you will be able to look at the stations.  I hope this 
> helps.
> Blessings,
> Ben King
> On Jun 23, 2010, at 7:54 AM, Courtney Curran wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm trying to look for a station in the Itunes Radio selection, but when I 
>> go to a genre, they're all collaps and I can't expand them. Any help would 
>> be greatly appreciated.
>> Courtney
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Re: closing apps on the iPod and iPhone

[Chris Moore]

Go to the app switcher and then double tap on the app, but on the second tap 
you hold for a few seconds.  You are then in edit mode, just simply double tap 
the app to be removed. from the app switcher.

Chris 
On 23 Jun 2010, at 22:29, Chris Snyder wrote:

> Hi all,
> So when I hit the home button, it appears to close the app, but when I go to 
> the app switcher, the app I tried to close is still there. How does one close 
> the apps now in IOS4?
> 
> Friendly,
> Chris
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Re: What view to you use on the finder and which is easier for beginner?

[Chris Moore]

I use list view as its much easier, just press command + 2 to switch to view 
mode.  Even when I was sighted I did not care much for list  or icon  grid 
mode, list is a bit like scrolling horizontal level of floors a bit like going 
up and down levels in a elevator but you can see more then one level at a time. 
 Just use quick view to preview your documents by hitting space.  

However if you do have some useful vision then cover flow is useful, especially 
when flicking through pictures and pdfs 
On 23 Jun 2010, at 18:59, Alfredo wrote:

> I use the list view on my windows pc using jaws, and would like to use
> the same view on the mac but i want to know which one you guys think
> is easier for beginners and better for a voice over user?  What is the
> difference between list view and column view, I do not understand what
> is the difference, seems like the difference is just that with list
> view you have to use the vo keys and the backslash, while with the
> column view you do not use these.  Is the cover flow view accesible or
> even functional for a blind user to view.  I like the idea of being
> able to preview my documents but can I use it?
> Any opinion would be grealty appreciated.
> alfredo
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Re: Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad.

[Chris Moore]

The ones I know (I use my iMac more then my macbook) flick left or right to 
move back and forth.  Two fingers down swipe to read all.

3 fingers down swipe up and down to move up and down a page.  2 finger double 
tap at the bottom of the pad for the dock.  2 finger double tap at the top of 
the pad for the menu.

Use 2 fingers and turn for the rota settings.

2 finger double tap on the left middle for open applications and 2 finger 
double tap on the right middle for open windows.

Sorry to anyone in advance if I have left stuff out and made a mistake, like I 
say I have not got into gestures much yet.

Hope this helps though 

Chris 
On 23 Jun 2010, at 13:52, James Gallagher wrote:

> Hello to all on the List.
> 
> hope that all are well.
> 
> Yesterday I bought my first MacBook pro 13inch 13inch 2.66GHz (Intel Core 2 
> Duo, 4Gb RAM, 320Gb 
> 
> Been using a Mac for coming up for three Years since Leopard got Braille 
> support built in to it.
> 
> And a very Happy Mac user. with an iMac and three Mac Minis.
> 
> My Question and help I need is can anyone please give me any info about using 
> VoiceOver Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad.
> 
> I read here that many of you use podt casts to learn from others about this. 
> I am a Deafblind person so these things are no good to me.
> 
> is there a good and helpful text document out there that I can read
> and learn all the thinks I can do with this great little trackpad.
> 
> I would be very grateful for any info or help Please.
> 
> all the very best to you all.
> 
> Yours
> James
> 
> The highest result of education is tolerance.
> Hellen Keller
> --
> James Gallagher
> 
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Re: reading a long pdf: vo vs spoken word in itunes

[Chris Moore]

Go into the app store on your iPod/iPhone and click on featured, you will see 
it there.
On 23 Jun 2010, at 08:13, Ben King wrote:

> Dear Simon,
> iBooks is available on the iPhone and iPod touch as well.  So you can install 
> the ap and read.
> Blessings,
> Ben King
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Is this I book application available for the ipod touch or IPhone?
>> Or is it only for the mac osx
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Fleischer
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 12:21 a.m.
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: reading a long pdf: vo vs spoken word in itunes
>>  
>> How do you get the book  loaded into Ibooks?
>> Peggy Fleischer
>> peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net
>>  
>>  Psalm 90 12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts 
>> unto wisdom.
>>  
>> On Jun 21, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Greg Weller wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you have the new version of ibooks that just came today you can read pdfs 
>> in that...I just loaded a 1500 page file and voiceober is reading it 
>> ...this is on an i
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 21/06/2010, at 9:10 PM, Joel Zimba  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I did notice that I have a few pdfs in my books section of itunes.  I'm not 
>> sure how I got them there...  nor what to do with them exactly,  it would be 
>> great if ibooks learned to read them, as I'm more and more impressed with it 
>> as I play.
>> J
>>  
>> On Jun 21, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Catherine Kudlick wrote:
>>  
>> Hi All,
>> Someone just sent me a long book manuscript as a pdf.  If I wanted to read 
>> it on the go on my ipod touch, what's the best way to do it?  Should I use 
>> voiceover?  Or is it true that it's possible to convert the pdf to a spoken 
>> word text that I could access through itunes?  If so, how do I do this?  And 
>> is it easier to use in itunes than in VO? For example, can you set the pace 
>> of speech in these itunes files or mark your place?
>>  
>> Also, can what I read be sync-ed between devices? For example if I start 
>> reading it on my Macbook Pro but then want to pick up on my ipod, would it 
>> sync to where I left off?  
>>  
>> Thanks so much, cathy
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Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text

[Chris Moore]

In the voice utility VO+F8 you can activate sounds and this will give you an 
indication when a web page has loaded.  This will save you from having to use 
the auto speak tor page summary read out when a web page is loaded.

Quick Nav is toggled on and off by pressing left and right together.

To open a new tab, press command + T
To cycle through the open tabs select  Control + Tab 

Hope this helps.

If you want to send apple any feedback go to www.apple.com/feedback and you can 
also write to accessibil...@apple.com

Hope this helps 
On 23 Jun 2010, at 07:58, Alfredo wrote:

> Thanks for verifying my suspicion that having the page read
> automatically made me not land on an edit field automatically.  This
> will help me tremendously as I am an avid internet user and do not
> need to know if a page is loaded or not.  Although, it would be nice
> to have an audio feedback when the page loads, or the option to set on
> instead of having the page be read automatically upon opening.
> Jumping by element would be a great feature, a time saver, and I
> believe it is needed, I will write about about this.  I did not know
> that you could browse the web with such ease using quick nave, you
> activate quick nave by pressing the up arrow key in conjunction with
> the down arrow key right?  Thanks for the command VO + J, to jump to
> the text edit field, I did not this existed as the starting guide has
> not told me or did not tell me, or explained this.  Even greater
> thanks for the suggestion to click command + L, then VO + right arrow,
> twice, to get to do a Google search.  Do you know if this will open a
> new tab, or will it just replace the webpage I am on?  Is the control
> + option +T command used in voice over or in jaws?
> Thanks,
> alfredo
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Re: Safari Update

[Chris Moore]

Are you using the full facebook site or the cut down mobile one at 
m.facebook.com  ?
On 23 Jun 2010, at 04:32, Cody Hurst wrote:

> Voiceover doesn't seem to meshw ell with facebook either. sometimes if I'm 
> kicked out of the html content even if I just try to arrow over it and not 
> even interact with it, voiceover crashes and relaunches
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 6:00 PM, rayna424 wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Haven't had any problems, so haven't needed to post. I searched to see
>> how ya'll were feeling about the latest Safari update, and it seems
>> I'm not alone. Safari keeps freaking out when I navigate by headers on
>> certain sites, and it's really freaking out with Blogger now. When I
>> interact with text, I can't use command up arrow and down arrow to get
>> from top to bottom, and when I'm interacting, it won't let me go line
>> by line in a text edit field. So the only way to edit is to go word by
>> word. Also, when I click the "select all" link for labels, Safari dies
>> and I have to restart it. Every time. So I don't do that anymore and
>> I've started composing blogs in text edit.
>> 
>> This takes me back to being afraid to install Windows updates. I'm
>> still using Leopard. Is anyone having problems with the latest Safari
>> in Snow?
>> 
>> Just had to complain. I send the error reports to Apple every time
>> since at least with Apple, I have faith that they are listening.
>> 
>> Thanks!
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Re: VoiceOver and Apple Script

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You can create keyboard shortcuts to hotspots, so you could try creating a hot 
spot to the battery status in the menu bar 

On 23 Jun 2010, at 04:18, Chris Westbrook wrote:

> Is there a script for the macbook pro that will read battery status like the 
> time script?  Wonder if one could be created?
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 10:27 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> 
>> Yes: to time being spoken with option-T.  He needs to go to VO utilities, 
>> find averbosity, commanders, and activate keyboard commander, and work 
>> through the choices therein.
>> HTH
>> Carolyn
>> On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Fonzie wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all, I hope everyone is well.
>>> 
>>> Been  a while since I have posted to the list.
>>> 
>>> Anywho, a friend of mine recently got a mac, and he go the new mac, with 
>>> the wireless keyboard and mouse.
>>> 
>>> Everything was set up fine, but when I told him he could get the time by 
>>> using Option + T while voiceover was running, the command did not work.
>>> 
>>> I made sure to have him check the "Allow VoiceOver to be controlled by 
>>> AppleScript" in the VoiceOver Utility, but still no dice.
>>> 
>>> Any idea as to why this is not working as it should?
>>> 
>>> I know it iis an apple script, but as I remember it, when I loaded Snow 
>>> Leopard, my scripts worked out of the box.
>>> 
>>> Help is appreciated if you have experienced this issue before, or have some 
>>> general direction of what I could have him do.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Take care.
>>> 
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Re: sounds

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Actually now that would be useful as Windows does it, just looked in the Finder 
preferences to see if anything was there, but sadly not.  I will keep looking 
though and if no joy I will send apple some feedback on OS X.
On 23 Jun 2010, at 03:41, Carolyn wrote:

> Hi there:
> Is there any way to have the Mac  make a sound to indicate when it sees a 
> disk or flash-drive?  
> Thank you.
> 
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> CH:)
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Re: fastforwarding in new Itunes

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No problem Alison, I had the same issue and decided to look in the Help menu at 
the keyboard shortcuts.  Am sure there are many I don't know but like you i  do 
like to skim through my tracks to get to the good bits before I grab my hair 
brush to sing in :o) 

All the best

Chris 
On 23 Jun 2010, at 02:19, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> THank you so much command option right arrow, I'll have to remember that. :).
> 
> Allison
> 
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> you press option + command + right arrow 
>> On 23 Jun 2010, at 00:30, Allison Manzino wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Has anyone figured out to fastforward in the new version of Itunes? I can't 
>>> figure it out. Option right arrow doens't seem to work. Thanks for any 
>>> assistance. Have a great evening.
>>> 
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Re: VoiceOver and Apple Script

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Go into the Voice Over utility and select Commanders select the keyboard tab 
then tick the box Enable keyboard commands.
On 23 Jun 2010, at 02:24, Fonzie wrote:

> Hey all, I hope everyone is well.
> 
> Been  a while since I have posted to the list.
> 
> Anywho, a friend of mine recently got a mac, and he go the new mac, with the 
> wireless keyboard and mouse.
> 
> Everything was set up fine, but when I told him he could get the time by 
> using Option + T while voiceover was running, the command did not work.
> 
> I made sure to have him check the "Allow VoiceOver to be controlled by 
> AppleScript" in the VoiceOver Utility, but still no dice.
> 
> Any idea as to why this is not working as it should?
> 
> I know it iis an apple script, but as I remember it, when I loaded Snow 
> Leopard, my scripts worked out of the box.
> 
> Help is appreciated if you have experienced this issue before, or have some 
> general direction of what I could have him do.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Take care.
> 
> Fonzie
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Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text

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Yes turn auto reading off and your voice over cursor should then appear where 
keyboard is.  I used to have this problem too and after turning auto web page 
reading upon a page loading my cursor is ready and waiting in the google text 
field (google is my home page too).

I have not come across text elements yet, but start training on JAWS soon so it 
will be interesting to see how it compares.  Do you think they might add this 
feature to VoiceOver or is it not needed?
On 23 Jun 2010, at 01:07, Mary Otten wrote:

> When I go to the google search page, which is my home page, I always land 
> right in the edit field into which one types search terms. So I think you 
> might be onto something with your theory that having Safari set to read pages 
> automatically could be causing the VO cursor not to land directly in that 
> edit field. As for the other things, not being able to hit a specific key and 
> go directly to various types of elements, having come from Windows, I still 
> have to say I prefer that more direct way over the rotor. But you can set up 
> numpad commander to have single key access to things, so that helps. Web 
> pages also load a lot faster on my Mac than they do on my Windows pc, some 
> times, a lot faster, which is a time saver.
> 
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Re: video recording and editing software?

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Is iMovie 09 not accessible?  I thought support had been added.  If not then 
drop AVID a email and ask them as they have just made Pro Tools accessible.d
On 23 Jun 2010, at 00:50, Chris Snyder wrote:

> Hi all,
> Does anyone know of software which is mostly accessible with Voiceover which 
> can record audio and video from the eyesight camera, or perhaps record a 
> video chat in skype? Also, is there anything that can edit the recording once 
> made? I figure we can edit videos as well from the audio cues. It may not 
> look like Pixar, but if we simply had a way to cut and paste, it would be 
> helpful.
> 
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Re: fastforwarding in new Itunes

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you press option + command + right arrow 
On 23 Jun 2010, at 00:30, Allison Manzino wrote:

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> Has anyone figured out to fastforward in the new version of Itunes? I can't 
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> assistance. Have a great evening.
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Re: The iPhone and iPod Touch are now real note taking devices!

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can you not get drop box for the iphone? surely that would be a way to export 
data back to your PC or Mac, or you could simply create email attachments (a 
pain I know).  As I have MobileMe I take advantage of iDisk which comes part of 
the package.  It is a shame iwork.com is not bundled with the mobileme suite, 
it would make it even more value for money.  Pages for the iphone would be very 
useful indeed, even for reading word files.  Keynote would be very useful too 
so  enabling the smallest presentation device to plug directly into an OHP.

H I think I want to try iWork on the iPad now.  I still don't have it for 
my mac yet but I really must invest as I can no longer use Office and I don't 
think OpenOffice has been updated for a while.
On 22 Jun 2010, at 21:14, Doug Lawlor wrote:

> I have looked at an app called Documents2 that allows one to create Tex 
> documents and I believe some others. I assume you can use this app to 
> transfer files to the pc in some way. I will investigate this further and let 
> you know what I find out. 
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2010-06-22, at 4:37 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> I think I remember seeing that Iwork was going to become available for the 
>> Ipod and IPhone this summer. In the mean time, if you wanted to use the Ipod 
>> as a serious notetaking device, is there something that you can take notes 
>> in and then later get those notes onto a pc or a mac? In my case, preferably 
>> a pc, since I'm still using MS Word and a braille embosser when needed. 
>> 
>> I recall something about velocity something or other being mentioned a while 
>> back, but was that for Mac only?
>> 
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Re: Audacity

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Last time I used audacity you had to have a plug in to export to mp3 
On 22 Jun 2010, at 20:48, louie wrote:

> Hi all,
> When using Audacity how do I export a mp3 file with out bringing up the tag 
> editor?
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> louie
> louiem...@wavecable.com
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Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating by form field and text

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Is the form item in the rota not efficient enough for you? (you can create a 
short cut to toggle between DOM and group mode)
as for text elements , have you tried surfing in grouping mode?when you mention 
tabs, do you mean they are automatically open with the web pages loaded of your 
choice?  Not that I am aware of maybe as Safari 5 has been opened up someone 
might develop an add on.  for now you will have to press command + T for a new 
tab. and then use control + tab to cycle through them.
On 22 Jun 2010, at 18:08, Alfredo wrote:

> I am going through the online tutorial with voice over and am hitting
> some bumps in the way.
> 1.  Can you navigate the web by form field like in jaws?  In jaws you
> just clicked the “f” key and you would land on a form field, such as
> an edit box, radio button, or button.
> 2.  Is there a way to navigate text element by text element, sometimes
> it would be useful just to get to the text section of a webpage,
> especially ones that contain many links.  Is there a hot key to
> navigate text element by text element on the web?
> 3.  I was reading the select multiple items section and tried it on
> the Voice over utilities, VO + F8, and went into his web section, and
> went to the web rotor popup menu.  I wanted to select multiple items
> or deselect multiple items but I could not.  Plus VO does not tell you
> if the checkbox on the popup menu is on or off, even when I pressed VO
> + f8.  Can anyone shine a light on this?  I can live with having to
> close the menu for every selected Item I want but it would be more
> convenient to just select all items I want then close the popup
> menu.
> 4.  Is there a way to set up multiple tabs upon starting safari?  I
> had multiple tabs for my internet explorer on windows since this way I
> have quick access to my bank account webpage, phone bill web page,
> Google search, Gmail, NFL website, book share, and others.  Does
> anyone know how to do this?
> 6.  Is there a way to activate a link from within the web item rotor?
> Like for example, instead of just going to the link selected from the
> web item rotor can I activate that link so that the web page will load
> up auto magically?  This would save me on more steps in selecting the
> link.  If there is no way to do this, then I will send an email to
> apple suggesting that they add this feature.  The can do like, if you
> press the control key while selecting a link on the web item rotor you
> will activate the like not only go to it.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated; the Mac experience is going
> good so far
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Re: The iPhone and iPod Touch are now real note taking devices!

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I hope some 3rd party develops a fold out keyboard / iphone case just like the 
old classic Nokia Communicator, the case could also have a juice pack built in 
too now that would be very cool,  I already have a juice pack that my iPhone 
slides into, it makes the iPhone 3GS a bit heavier and thicker but feels much 
better in my big hands.
On 22 Jun 2010, at 16:57, Doug Lawlor wrote:

> Hey, this is cool!
> I now have my Apple Wireless keyboard paired with the iPhone and the nice 
> thing about it is that you can use things like up and down arrow keys to 
> navigate through a document. It is really nice to be able to touch type from 
> a real keyboard. Now, does anyone know of a foldable keyboard that can fold 
> up to pocket size? I know that a company called Think Outside made something 
> at one time but they have appeared to have moved on to other things now. 
> 
> Anyway, it is really nice that we can now use a bluetooth keyboard with the 
> iPhone and iPod Touch. I must say this really expands the note taking 
> abilities of these devices. I can now put together a blind person's note 
> taking solution for something around ?$400.00 cdn. This is truly a real 
> breakthrough. 
> 
> Doug
> 
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Re: Talking Wallpaper

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Also noticed on the screen locke  page you don't have to double tap to unlock 
anymore, you can now slide to unlock too just like a sighted user.  I am 
pleased about this as I am sure us blind folk are capable of sliding our finger 
across the bottom of the screen.

I think white on Black could be improved, really this is just a negative image 
and looks awful with wallpapers, photos and web pages.  Why did not Apple just 
add a theme for the text and background colour to invert only on calendars, 
iPod, Text Messages, Email and Settings screen but leave the nice buttons blue 
and the coloured icons and photos as is.  My mum likes to use white on black 
text in sun light situations, have set her phone to toggle between negative and 
positive with 3 button clicks of the home button.  Come on Apple?

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> Well struggling to find the 100 new features, but have found one that I did 
> request.  When going into setting and selecting Wallpaper you now get a 
> description of the image as you roll your finger over them, before the update 
> the wallpaper image was just read out as image.  Very useful and hope other 
> developers follow this example.
> 
> Noticed that some applications actually now speak out corrections and 
> suggestions as not many did apart from SMS etc.
> 
> Very disappointed to see the same ringtones and no ability to assign one from 
> iPod library and there is still the usual rubbish text alert sounds with no 
> option to select additional ones.  You still can't change the email alert 
> sound either.
> 
> Was also hoping for the ability to create groups so `i can send a circular of 
> jokes to a group of friends.  The only way you can create groups is via the 
> Address Book on the Mac, not sure how Windows users would achieve this.
> 
> I am hoping that messages that failed to send will become pending and auto 
> send once a signal becomes available.
> 
> Was really hoping for more good phone features, but the improvements to mail 
> are very welcome and I love the touch typing feature and I really did not 
> think I would but I can type much faster now.
> 
> Anyone else found any other hidden gems in 4.0 apart from the ones Apple told 
> us about?  Does anyone know if there is anywhere online that lists the full 
> 100 features?
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Talking Wallpaper

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Well struggling to find the 100 new features, but have found one that I did 
request.  When going into setting and selecting Wallpaper you now get a 
description of the image as you roll your finger over them, before the update 
the wallpaper image was just read out as image.  Very useful and hope other 
developers follow this example.

Noticed that some applications actually now speak out corrections and 
suggestions as not many did apart from SMS etc.

Very disappointed to see the same ringtones and no ability to assign one from 
iPod library and there is still the usual rubbish text alert sounds with no 
option to select additional ones.  You still can't change the email alert sound 
either.

Was also hoping for the ability to create groups so `i can send a circular of 
jokes to a group of friends.  The only way you can create groups is via the 
Address Book on the Mac, not sure how Windows users would achieve this.

I am hoping that messages that failed to send will become pending and auto send 
once a signal becomes available.

Was really hoping for more good phone features, but the improvements to mail 
are very welcome and I love the touch typing feature and I really did not think 
I would but I can type much faster now.

Anyone else found any other hidden gems in 4.0 apart from the ones Apple told 
us about?  Does anyone know if there is anywhere online that lists the full 100 
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Re: Color Replacement for the Mac

[Chris Moore]

All web browsers have the accessibility feature of being able to use an 
external CSS (Case Cascading Stylesheet)  You could import your existing style 
sheet into a stylesheet creator for something like Adobe Dreamweaver and just 
change the font and save it under a different name.
On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:23, KeelhaulChris wrote:

> I don't think VisioVoice has what I need, but it is good to know about
> it.  It might help some other people I am working with.
> 
> I'll shoot apple an email, but in the mean time, do you know a good
> site or resource that can help explain that CSS editing with Firefox
> you were talking about.  Do you have to have a plug-in to do that or
> does Firefox have a built in feature for it?  It sounds like it might
> help as long as I don't run into the same problems the other tech guys
> had changing the fonts.
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Re: Color Replacement for the Mac

[Chris Moore]

Not sure if there is an app to change screen colours like zoomtext, have you 
tried writing to accessibil...@apple.com? as for the Firefox bit, you could 
create your own CSS which you get Firefox to use instead of the CSS that is on 
your web server.
On 21 Jun 2010, at 13:41, KeelhaulChris wrote:

> Hello, I'm working in a Mac driven workplace and they're trying to
> move some of their visually impaired agents up to the newer software
> they use.  However, they are having a hard time changing the fonts,
> some kind of conflict.  What I wanted to know was whether or not there
> was a program that can change the screen colors like ZoomText can.
> I've found Nocturne and Blacklight which tint the screen, but it may
> not be enough for some of the agents.  I really need a program that
> will replace colors with others.
> 
> Also, the in-house software that they are using is web-based, Firefox
> specifically (not sure if it works well with other browsers).  If I
> could find a similar program that only worked on the web that would be
> okay as well.
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Re: Question About How To Engage The White-On-Black Display Mode

[Chris Moore]

This is a stupid question I know, but what are you guys exactly talking about? 
When yo say you want to toggle white on black with VO do yo mean the white on 
black menus that pop up for things like item chooser etc?
On 19 Jun 2010, at 21:44, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Mark,
> 
> The ding sound you heard was because of the conflict with Hotspots. You were 
> trying to describe the item at Hotspot 8 which was not set.
> 
> This is what I meant about the conflict. If you want to use VoiceOver and to 
> be able to toggle between black on white and white on black, you need to 
> change the shortcut in System Preferences.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On Jun 19, 2010, at 9:46 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello, Ann.
>> 
>> I have not begun working with hot spots, yet.  However, I will go back into 
>> the keyboard universal settings and attempt to configure a hot key that is 
>> not in conflict with another.
>> 
>> I have one question, however:  Before William's very excellent instructions 
>> on how to engage the reverse color hot key command, pressing the hotkey 
>> simply resulted in the system making a ding sound.  To me, it did not appear 
>> to do anything.
>> 
>> Am I missing something?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 19, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello William,
>>> 
>>> Your instructions are fine as far as they go, but they don't remove the 
>>> conflict with the HotSpots command.
>>> 
>>> To do this, you need to change the shortcut in System Preferences to 
>>> something like Control-Command-F8.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2010, at 3:24 PM, William Mutch wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, In order to have the control stroke to work the reverse black and 
 white you need to do the following,.
 
 1. navigate to system preferences 
 2. Then go to keyboard
 3. Once in there you will find that there are two tabs. You should v o 
 spacebar on the keyboard shortcuts tab.
 4. Then v o right arrow to the shortcuts categories table, interact with 
 this table then arrow down to universal access. Stop interacting then tab 
 once, you should now be in the keyboard shortcuts table.
 5. v o right arrow once, then down arrow till you reach reverse black and 
 white. You will have to v o left arrow onc. You should be on a check box. 
 v o spacebar in order to check the box.
 6 You should then be able to use the control - option - command + 8 
 keystroke to reverse black and white.
 
 Its a long and complicated procedure but I have done this on my imac 
 running snow leopard and it does work. 
 
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Re: What does "elipsis" mean when you are in the apple menu?

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Go into the voice over utility and go to the hints section and turn it off 
On 19 Jun 2010, at 19:55, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You can try setting the verbosity level to medium or low.  You can find this 
> in the VO settings (control option F8) or press control option V to open 
> verbosity settings.  You make Alex shut up by pressing control.  Just like 
> jaws.  Difference being you can press control again to resume speech if 
> you've haven't pressed anyting else.
> 
> hth
> On Jun 19, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Alfredo wrote:
> 
>> So does anyone know how to make alex less informative?  He starts
>> talking about 10 seconds after I land on somehting.  Thsi is helpful
>> for a newbie, like me, but it seems to be more annoying than helpful.
>> Also how to you make alex quiet, such as with jaws, you press the
>> control key to make him shut up.  Any help would be greatly
>> appreciated.
>> Alfredo
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Re: TIP: The Best Way to Shove That MacBook Pro In Your Ear!

[Chris Moore]

Are your hearing aids not compatible with the Phonak iCom streamer ?  This 
might save the need to wear headphones altogether 
On 18 Jun 2010, at 23:03, Maurice Mines wrote:

> Hello, it's taken a while to respond to this post. It's good to find out that 
> there is someone who knows actually where, like the University of Northern 
> Colorado is. As far is good headphones, I do really like my terror of QC 15 
> headphones, from the Bose Corporation. I find that their grade in many 
> different situations. Just my two cents about headphones. Have a nice day 
> everybody.  
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> 
>> Maurice:
>> Hey there fellow coloradoan!  If you're looking for a great set of 
>> headphones that have mic, and answer button, check out Bose web site and 
>> type in On-ear headset into their search.  I have a pair that work 
>> wonderfully with my hearing aids.
>> 
>> Go UNC!!!
>> 
>> Carolyn
>> CH  Denver CO
>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Maurice Mines wrote:
>> 
>>> I am curious about this as well, because I have a severe hearing Miles, and 
>>> sold DOS must use hearing aids. Also my audiologist, has certainly 
>>> emphasized to me that not using earbuds is certainly better than attempting 
>>> to use them. Hope all are having a good day.
>>> Mori's minds, amateur radio call sign, KD0I KO.
>>> Northern Colorado amateur radio club, tri-band or editor.
>>> National Federation of the blind Colorado assistant news mind coordinator, 
>>> office phone 970-373-3076.
>>> University of Northern Colorado student e-mail address, in the eye in the 
>>> EE 1...@bearsnotyouandceo.edu.
>>> Note this message has been dictated by using MacSpeech Dictate, some words 
>>> may be spelled incorrectly, and/or be in the wrong context. So please 
>>> forgive any errors.
>>> I appreciate your comments, so please send them to me.
>>> Thank you very much for reading this.
>>> Mori's minds, June 4, 2010.
>>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Courtney Curran wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 That would be a great idea, if only they weren't earbuds. I can't fit them 
 in my ears, I need regular headphones, so my question is, does Apple make 
 regular headphones with the controls on them?
 Courtney
 
 On 04/06/2010, at 8:12 in the morning, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
> Probably call the apple store or the at&t store. I dunno. I'm wondering 
> th esame thing as I sit on a lot of my headphones by accident.
> 
> S
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 3:43 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark, where do you find the headset replacements... I've gone through 
>> one pair and stolen my fiance's from her iphone:).
>> On 2010-06-03, at 1:17 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> The following was posted to the Candle Shore BLOG:
>>> 
>>> TIP: The Best Way to Shove That MacBook Pro In Your Ear!
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone, 
>>> 
>>> As a low vision Windows 7 and Mac Snow Leopard user, I access computers 
>>> via
>>> a screen reader (JAWS) for Windows 7 and (VoiceOver) for Mac Snow 
>>> Leopard.
>>> 
>>> I also happen to be a very satisfied user of iPhone 3GS. 
>>> 
>>> Included with the iPhone 3GS, at the time of purchase, is a very nice 
>>> set of
>>> Apple branded stereo earphones with inline 3-button remote control and
>>> microphone.  This included headset can be used to remotely control 
>>> iPhone
>>> 3GS volume level, dialing feature, and iPod App.  
>>> 
>>> Since the release of iPhone 3GS, I have damaged the microphone on at 
>>> least
>>> three sets of these headsets by various sundry accidents including 
>>> getting
>>> the microphone wet. 
>>> 
>>> The other day, while opening yet another pair of Apple iPhone 3GS 
>>> earphones,
>>> I decided to attach the older pair to my MacBook Pro. 
>>> 
>>> What do you think I discovered?  You're right!  The inline remote 
>>> control
>>> acts just like it does on my iPhone 3GS; that is, the volume buttons 
>>> work to
>>> change the volume level of the MacBook Pro and the middle button will 
>>> open
>>> iTunes. When iTunes is playing media, the headset inline remote control
>>> functions to navigate the playback just as it does on the iPhone 3GS. 
>>> 
>>> As a bonus, even when running Windows 7 in VM Ware's Fusion, the inline
>>> remote volume buttons continue to function normally. 
>>> 
>>> So, go ahead and shove  that iPhone 3GS 3-button inline remote control
>>> headset with Microphone, attached to your MacBook Pro, in your ear.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?

[Chris Moore]

Fair comments... However, wasn't Exchange support added to Mail with Snow 
Leopard?

Whilst there is a smaller audience on the Mac front who are not requesting 
VoiceOver support from Developers yet there will quite a wait before we start 
to see more accessible stuff.  Windows has had JAWS, Windows Eyes etc for many 
many years.  VoiceOver is only 5 years old and in my opinion it only became 
usable fully in October last year. So I think we are doing pretty well all 
things considered.  But I will soon be dipping my toe into the Windows world of 
accessibility at work. 

I do hope Logic Pro gains voice over support and Sound Studio etc to help 
rebalance the situation when it comes to audio.  Don't expect support for 
Reason or record though, the developers have told that it is something they 
will not be doing.  This is where JAWS can have an advantage of VoiceOver, as 
scripts can be made to over come this.
On 19 Jun 2010, at 00:57, Bryan Smart wrote:

> I like the Mac, too, but it can't do everything.
> 
> For music and audio production, we now have Pro Tools, but, for many tasks, 
> software systems under Windows like Sonar still have superior access. So, for 
> now, I run Sonar in BootCamp.
> 
> I run a small business, and use Outlook and Excel extensively. Mac Mail 
> doesn't have any server solution like Exchange. Numbers might be a 
> replacement for Excel, but I have a huge set of templates built up in Excel 
> that I haven't spent the time to convert.
> 
> There are practically no accessible games for the Mac. The only ones that 
> partly work are Audio Quake and Sound RTS, and those take a huge amount of 
> manual hackery to get going. On Windows, there are several first person 
> shooters (single and network player), RPG games, racing games, strategy/war 
> games, board and card games, etc. If you have a Mac, and you want to use any 
> of that, you need Windows.
> 
> Plus, there is other specialty software like Klango and TeamTalk that aren't 
> available for the Mac.
> 
> I realize that this next remark could be taken badly. So, I want you to know 
> that I'm trying to say it as constructively as possible. I might be wrong, 
> but it is my understanding that you got one of the jobs that Apple posted 
> recently. Congratulations. However, you'll poorly serve yourself and your 
> employer if you allow your knowledge of accessible computing to start and 
> stop with OS X. You can't evaluate your work unless you know the works of 
> others such that you can judge your relative success. When I was at 
> Microsoft, for example, people routinely had secondary machines in their 
> offices that ran other OSes (like Linux variants). This was encouraged. If 
> everyone lives in their own little bubble, surrounded by other people at the 
> same company that also share the same little bubble, then entire trends can 
> come and go in the outside world without them even noticing.
> 
> If you're doing something accessibility related at Apple, then you should 
> have Windows installed on a computer that you must routinely use for some 
> required task, so that you'll force yourself to use it. You don't need to get 
> Jaws. Get Window Eyes. get System Access. The point is to make yourself do 
> something in Windows world so that you can have experience with what they get 
> right, and what they get wrong.
> 
> Anyway, I hope that you didn't get too upset by my response, either. I don't 
> want to be critical, but, if you're trying to improve the accessibility 
> situation on the Mac, you must know what others are trying. It isn't enough 
> to only live in Mac world.
> 
> Bryan
> 
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> Subject: Re: -- SPAM -- Re: installing windows on macs? What are the 
> advantages/why do people opt for this?
> 
> The only thing I use Windows for, and the only reason I installed it on the 
> Mac as a Vm, is to use Winamp.  I like Vlc but I just haven't found anything 
> I like as well as Winamp.
> Also I've been a Windows used since the mid 90s so there are still a few 
> times such as now with the Audible/Safari problem where it is just more 
> convenient to go back to Windows temporarily.
> On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi Olivia,
>> 
>> Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been 
>> Windows users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we 
>> already own that expensive third-party software. :)
>> 
>> Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of 
>> out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach.  
>> I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive 
>> 3rd-party software.  When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to abandon 
>> Windows completely, but I have found that simply isn't pos

Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?

[Chris Moore]

Donna,

Excuse my ignorance, but what audio software do you use on Windows and for what 
purpose?

Chris 
On 18 Jun 2010, at 15:38, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi Olivia,
> 
> Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows 
> users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we already own that 
> expensive third-party software. :)
> 
> Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of 
> out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach.  
> I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive 3rd-party 
> software.  When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to abandon Windows 
> completely, but I have found that simply isn't possible.  Right now, there is 
> not a good scanning option for the Mac, unless you want to commit to 
> fine-reader without a demo, and use it in conjunction with Vuescan.  My copy 
> of Kurzweil works great, so I continue to scan on my old Windows machine.  I 
> also find that some Word docs with tables in them read much better in Windows 
> than on the Mac.  I also use the Duxbury translator, which runs under 
> Windows.  Also, several of us have noted that audio captchas work much better 
> under windows than they do on the Mac.  Moreover, at least on the faculty 
> end, Blackboard works *much better under Windows, in fact, as of last winter, 
> Safari 4 wasn't even supported.  So, though I had not planned to continue 
> using Windows, for all of the above reasons, I still do.  My solution has 
> been to simply hang onto my Windows machine.  But if you can't do that for 
> whatever reason, your only option is to run a dual-boot system on your Mac.
> 
> I love my Mac, but right now it simply cannot completely replace my Windows 
> machine.  So, until it can, I'll be running both.
> Take care,
> Donna
> On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Olivia Norman wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :)  I just 
>> don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they 
>> use it for?  It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with 
>> windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble 
>> and expense for most people.  Consider that windows isn't accessible out of 
>> the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like 
>> Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows.  I guess 
>> the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for 
>> windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first 
>> place?  Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch 
>> between the two operating systems?
>> I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in 
>> knowing why and how you switch between the OS's?
>> Thanks for appeasing my curiosity!  I'm sure there are totally good reasons 
>> for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are!
>> Olivia
>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
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Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?

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Could you not use a Newsreader on the Mac similar to how news groups are 
displayed within Outlook Express?  I have not used those type of news groups 
for years, but I am sure there will be something you could get on the Mac, this 
will mean less time on Windows 
On 18 Jun 2010, at 18:11, Scott Howell wrote:

> Hi Olivia,
> 
> Well I can of course speak for myself, but let me share a few things with you:
> 1. I use windows only for school projects/related activities. Specifically I 
> use OUtlook Express to follow the message postings, which are not a typical 
> news group format. I have been after the developers of Unison for quite a 
> while and they keep promising html support, which I think they implemented, 
> but then they went off and broke accessibility of Unison now and I cannot use 
> it for reading the news groups.
> 2. I am also needing to use Word and Power Point, which I have iWorks, but I 
> have not mastered it sufficiently to write papers.
> 
> I also do have windows on my MBP at work, however, there it is necessary 
> since I have to be able to work with the software available and They do not 
> offer alternatives yet.
> I am lucky in that my employer purchased the screen reader, which I can use 
> on more than one machine and I did not have to pay for XP. So I am fortunate, 
> not to have spent any money. Once I can ensure I will turn out good paper s 
> using Pages, then I will have one less reason to waste my time with windows.
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Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac

[Chris Moore]

If the iPhone was docked into an L shaped stand like Humanware's iPal then 
multiple pages could be easily done. Turn the page and wait for the camera 
click, then turn to the next page and so on.  Also the ability to upload the 
data direct to a computer like the iPal to take advantage of a better voice and 
processing power that is present on the iPhone would be very useful, but so 
would being able to read on the go with the built in abilities of the iPhone 
for reading menus and street signs and notices etc.
On 18 Jun 2010, at 17:39, Mary Otten wrote:

> Yes, it will be great if they come out with an accessible scanning ocr app 
> for the IPhone. But I don't think I see such an app being for the most 
> efficient way to do books. Great for stuff on the go, however.
> 
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Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac

[Chris Moore]

The camera in the iPhone 4 is 5 megapixels and can operate in lower light 
conditions than the previous iPhone 3GS.  The flash is LED which is probably 
better for OCR than Xenon.  Apparently camera is pretty good, its not always 
about pixel count its about processing and also the size of the sensor that 
matters.  I used to find that my Nokia might have more pixel but the image was 
not always that great.
On 18 Jun 2010, at 17:13, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> I wouldn't mind that either! *smile*   Has anyone seen the specifications
> for the camera in iPhone 4?  Specifically, is the flash LED or xenon based?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
> 
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> Subject: Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac
> 
> Maybe we are all thinking a bit too old school.  Two weeks ago Humanware
> demonstrated document readers to me which used a camera instead.  The camera
> was portable as it was on a fold up tripod type thing.  The software was on
> a Windows machine which drove the camera, words were also displayed on
> screen as the document was read out.  The camera took  a picture of the
> document and a second or so later the document was read out to me.  You
> could take pictures of multiple pages too.  tHe speech quality was amazing,
> even better then Alex I have to be honest. I thought h I would buy this
> if I could use it on my Mac too.  I wish Humanware would develop software
> for the Mac to drive hardware like this.
> 
> I decided on the iPal Solo so I did not have to use a windows machine to
> read documents, as the iPal solo works completely without a computer.  
> 
> Who knows in about 2 years time we will all probably be reading printed
> material via the camera on the iPhone 6 or whatever. I can just picture a
> nifty stand you slide your iPhone or iPod Touch into to neatly take a
> picture of the document below.  I want it now!!!
> 
> On 18 Jun 2010, at 16:43, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Hi allison,
>> While I have not used abbyy for the Mac, based on what I've heard people
> say, no, it is nowhere near like K1000, which I have used for probably a
> decade. Yes, you can hook up a usb scanner, and if you get one that FR
> recognized, such as the hp 8300 pro or epson 200 or 300, I forget the full
> model designation, you can apparently scan directly without the need for a
> second app to do the scanning part and then transferring the file to abby
> for processing. But, as I understand it, you cannot scan and read
> simultaneously; you can't scan multiple pages into the same file. You can't
> scan and immediately read to check out setting accuracy. You have to let
> abbyy save the page to a file and then read it there. Lots more steps. Maybe
> ok for the occasional page. but totally not so for serious scanning. If my
> understanding of the limitation of fr express is incorrect, I hope somebody
> will correct me. I asked a guy I know who uses FR with the hp8300 and who
> has used k1000 if fr express could do the things I outlined above and he
> flatly said no. to be sure, there is a huge cost difference. But having an
> excellent efficient scanning solution is one reason I have no intention of
> giving up Windows for now. Using two applications where one will do, having
> to  save to a file prior to reading and not being able have multiple pages
> in the same file, have it open and reading while I'm scanning, or even
> scanning one thing and reading another are all reasons why I can't see
> dumping windows for scanning/ocr purposes.  If abbyy would come out with a
> full version of fine reader, that might be a different story.
>> 
>> mary
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Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac

[Chris Moore]

Maybe we are all thinking a bit too old school.  Two weeks ago Humanware 
demonstrated document readers to me which used a camera instead.  The camera 
was portable as it was on a fold up tripod type thing.  The software was on a 
Windows machine which drove the camera, words were also displayed on screen as 
the document was read out.  The camera took  a picture of the document and a 
second or so later the document was read out to me.  You could take pictures of 
multiple pages too.  tHe speech quality was amazing, even better then Alex I 
have to be honest. I thought h I would buy this if I could use it on my Mac 
too.  I wish Humanware would develop software for the Mac to drive hardware 
like this.

I decided on the iPal Solo so I did not have to use a windows machine to read 
documents, as the iPal solo works completely without a computer.  

Who knows in about 2 years time we will all probably be reading printed 
material via the camera on the iPhone 6 or whatever. I can just picture a nifty 
stand you slide your iPhone or iPod Touch into to neatly take a picture of the 
document below.  I want it now!!!

On 18 Jun 2010, at 16:43, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi allison,
> While I have not used abbyy for the Mac, based on what I've heard people say, 
> no, it is nowhere near like K1000, which I have used for probably a decade. 
> Yes, you can hook up a usb scanner, and if you get one that FR recognized, 
> such as the hp 8300 pro or epson 200 or 300, I forget the full model 
> designation, you can apparently scan directly without the need for a second 
> app to do the scanning part and then transferring the file to abby for 
> processing. But, as I understand it, you cannot scan and read simultaneously; 
> you can't scan multiple pages into the same file. You can't scan and 
> immediately read to check out setting accuracy. You have to let abbyy save 
> the page to a file and then read it there. Lots more steps. Maybe ok for the 
> occasional page. but totally not so for serious scanning. If my understanding 
> of the limitation of fr express is incorrect, I hope somebody will correct 
> me. I asked a guy I know who uses FR with the hp8300 and who has used k1000 
> if fr express could do the things I outlined above and he flatly said no. to 
> be sure, there is a huge cost difference. But having an excellent efficient 
> scanning solution is one reason I have no intention of giving up Windows for 
> now. Using two applications where one will do, having to  save to a file 
> prior to reading and not being able have multiple pages in the same file, 
> have it open and reading while I'm scanning, or even scanning one thing and 
> reading another are all reasons why I can't see dumping windows for 
> scanning/ocr purposes.  If abbyy would come out with a full version of fine 
> reader, that might be a different story.
> 
> mary
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Re: MobileMe redesigned website

[Chris Moore]

I use iDisk a heck of a lot.  I have the iDisk icon listed on my desktop (go to 
finder preferences and tick external drives) I drag and drop aka copy and files 
to it.  I can then retrieve them from my other mac computer and used to also 
access the data via mobile me (when I was sighted) at work.  Not quite sure how 
I will do this now in mobileme.  I do love the simplicity of syncing in mobile 
me though.  Have no intention to sync to Windows devices. Oh and I forgot to 
mention the best bit, when i drag and drop files to my idisk I can access them 
on my iPhone too!  Now if I could get some sort of device on my iPhone to read 
Daisy etc then I would not need to consider a Victor Stream  Humanware must be 
getting worried!  So they should as they are bloody expensive products. 
On 18 Jun 2010, at 14:48, Olivia Norman wrote:

> How do you even read your mail with the mobile me site? I just use Apple mail 
> for this, and addressbook and iCal for the other things.  Has anyone figured 
> out iDisk? I love mobile me because it pushes all my contacts to all my 
> devices, but I certainly find the web interface pretty inaccessible.
> Olivia
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Have any of you taken a look at the re-designed mobileme site yet?  I am 
>> sure visually it is stunning, but it seems even less accessible then the 
>> previous site.  Ok I can still read my mail, but trying to switch between 
>> applications such as calendars, contacts etc seems impossible.  I am also 
>> trying to add a alias to my email and know how to do it if I was sighted, 
>> but trying to do this with VO is a nightmare.  
>> 
>> The only buttons that appear are listed under form controls, everything else 
>> shows up as empty (i.e. no headers or links) The item chooser brings up a 
>> great deal of options.
>> 
>> Anyone else had better luck?  This should be very straight forward to use 
>> but is not which surprises me when it is from Apple.  I have sent an email 
>> to Apple accessibility, will let you know what they say.
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Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?

[Chris Moore]

I have parallels installed on my Mac.  I already had Windows xp installed via 
BootCamp which I used rarely for applications that you could not get to run on 
a Mac back in the day when I used to have a Nokia phone and a Sat nav that was 
not a tom tom.  After losing my site I thought I would install Parallels to 
take advantage of my boot camp and read that it was better and faster then 
VMware.'s Fusion.

I did needed some sighted assistance to set it up.  Not sure if Fusion would be 
better then this.  What I do like is that Zoom on the Mac seems to work on the 
Windows side too.  I have downloaded JAWS 11 demo so I can try and learn it a 
little before I have to use it at work.  I think the majority of people 
probably use Windows on their Mac occasionally to run the odd application that 
is not available for the Mac.  I know others who use it for gaming.

Life would be much easier if my Employer would just let me hook up my Mac to 
their network, but sadly everything they use is Microsoft.  My experience of 
JAWS so far is awful! I started using VO before learning JAWS which is probably 
the opposite of most.  It feels like taking a step backwards to be honest.  Yes 
lots of things work, but I find it very clumsy not having a rota to flick 
between forms and headers and stuff.  None of this press INS and function key 
whatever.  Maybe in time I might prefer it, but I doubt it as I am a true Mac 
boy.
On 18 Jun 2010, at 15:05, Olivia Norman wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :)  I just don't 
> understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it 
> for?  It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over 
> the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense 
> for most people.  Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so 
> you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make 
> it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows.  I guess the question 
> I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and 
> the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place?  Also, 
> from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two 
> operating systems?
> I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in 
> knowing why and how you switch between the OS's?
> Thanks for appeasing my curiosity!  I'm sure there are totally good reasons 
> for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are!
> Olivia
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Re: new apple user

[Chris Moore]

Sorry to sound thick, what is OpenBook? is this some sort of OCR for the PC?  
And this Fine Reader is this expensive?  I am hoping to get an iPal Solo from 
Humanware, but in the meantime I would like an OCR package that I can use to 
read my printed documents that come through the post.  The only two OCR 
packages I am familiar with on the mac is IRIS and Omnipage.  My Canon multi 
scan PIXMA 630 has basic OCR software with it, but it is totally inaccessible 
for VO users.

Sorry as I have stated before I have only been blind a few months so this is 
all new to me.  Olivia thank you for your offer of requesting to chat to me 
offline regarding my experiences with using a mac sighted and now using it 
without sight.  I did actually write you a long email the other night and my 
ISP then died and I lost it, however I plan on writing to  you again x 
On 18 Jun 2010, at 14:57, Olivia Norman wrote:

> I don't know about running the adaptive technology stuff on the mac, soI'll 
> leave that to someone who has more experience with open book, etc, but I 
> wonder whether you've tried iWork and pages?  These programs work just as 
> well as MS word once you play around with them, and you'd eliminate the need 
> for windows and jaws on the mac if you went that route.  Also, there are OCR 
> programs like Abby fine reader express which work well on the mac, and could 
> potentially replace open book for you.  Just a few things to think about.
> Olivia
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:52 AM, denise avant wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I’ve had my mac book pro for a couple of weeks now. While I’ve not had an 
>> opportunity to sit and learn it just yet, I’ve been able to do some work on 
>> it.
>> I’m going to use vm fusion and perhaps windows 7 to run some of the 
>> important programs I need like ms word openbook, and Duxbury.
>> I’m just wondering what version of windows 7 would be best?
>> Thanks.
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MobileMe redesigned website

[Chris Moore]

Hi all,

Have any of you taken a look at the re-designed mobileme site yet?  I am sure 
visually it is stunning, but it seems even less accessible then the previous 
site.  Ok I can still read my mail, but trying to switch between applications 
such as calendars, contacts etc seems impossible.  I am also trying to add a 
alias to my email and know how to do it if I was sighted, but trying to do this 
with VO is a nightmare.  

The only buttons that appear are listed under form controls, everything else 
shows up as empty (i.e. no headers or links) The item chooser brings up a great 
deal of options.

Anyone else had better luck?  This should be very straight forward to use but 
is not which surprises me when it is from Apple.  I have sent an email to Apple 
accessibility, will let you know what they say.

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Re: New Mac Mini

[Chris Moore]

I personally think this is a good step taken by Apple.  The introduction of 
HDMI on the mini is fantastic for those who wish to hook up a full computer to 
their HD TV.  Internet browsing etc on the XBox/PS3 
On 18 Jun 2010, at 12:11, Rob Lambert wrote:
leaves a lot to be desired and the Mac mini fills the gap nicely.  I know a 
great deal of my PC friends have been waiting for an HDMI Mac mini, so can see 
many people switching.  I also know a number of bars that use the Mac mini to 
power power their displays, so having HDMI built in will make life easier.

Also some low vision users will appreciate being able to easily connect a mac 
up to a huge TV will benefit from this.  I know if I still have had my vision I 
would have bought one of these, as they are much better then the Apple TV.  
However I would have liked to have seen the Mac mini starting price at £499 to 
keep it below the £500 price tag as you can buy a Windows laptop for less then 
the price of the Mac mini.  Would have also liked the Mac mini to be available 
in black too to fit in with most AV equipment.  Maybe at its current price 
blu-ray should have been built in?  Would like to see Apple add more TV like 
features too.  Imagine talking menus and TV guide on a HDTV? now that would be 
useful as I find it very difficult to use my cable set top box since going 
blind.
> Apple has redesigned it's mac mini. It's now shorter (at just over an inch 
> thick), but also wider (at approximately 7.1" square). The big thing on this 
> one is, on the bottom, there is a round cover. Twist this cover, and remove 
> it, and you are immediately granted access to the RAM. There is also a model 
> range cut for the mini. You now just have the one lower priced (what I call 
> "consumer") model at $699, and then the server at $999. There's also an SD 
> card slot on the back (come in from the left hand side, and it's on the top, 
> above the two round audio ports). Finally, keep going beyond the SD card, 
> towards the right. You will first find four USB 2.0 ports, and beyond the 
> furthest right port (or the one closest to the center of the back of the 
> Mini, however you prefer) there are two ports. One is the mini DVI port 
> that's found on Apple's MacBook Pro. The one to the right of that is long, 
> rectangular, and has an angular shape on the bottom. This is Apple's brand 
> new HDMI port. This means that, if you have an HD TV, you can hook up your 
> Mini and use your HD TV as the monitor. A full port description is as 
> follows. If you come in from the right hand side, the back has the following 
> ports from right to left: Power (switch), power (A/C adapter port), ethernet, 
> Firewire 800 (the horizontal long line below this is a cooling vent), then 
> thee's the HDMI port that I spoke of earlier, and the Mini DVI port. Finally, 
> following on from the DVI port, again proceeding to the left, there is the 
> four USB ports, and an SD card slot, and that's where you will see the left 
> edge of your Mini. Below the SD card slot are two audio jacks. The one  
> closest to the edge is headphone, and the one closest to the center is 
> line-in. More info can be found at http://www.apple.com/macmini/ I'm curious 
> about your opinion on this. For those who don't know, the Mini has been 
> around since 2005, and this is it's first full redesign in five years. In my 
> opinion, it was way overdue, and I'm glad they finally got around to it. 
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Re: re-organizing the dock?

[Chris Moore]

yes, select the item in the doc you wish to move and then press and hold the 
option key and the command key together whilst pressing the cursor key left or 
right depending on where you wish to move the app to. voice over will announce 
what it is moving and to where as you press the cursor keys. 
On 17 Jun 2010, at 18:07, clarence griffin wrote:

> is there a way to move things around on the doc? Like if I wanted to group 
> apps together?
> Thanks
> 
> GF
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Re: How To Get VoiceOver To Read Mail Messages Automatically

[Chris Moore]

in case you did not know, to activate quick nav hold the cursor keys left and 
right together until you hear quick nav is on, press agains to turn it off.  
quick nav saves you having to hold down the VO buttons when surfing the web etc 

On 17 Jun 2010, at 18:18, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Has no one told you about Quick Nav? It sounds like what you're asking for.
> 
> However, you won't get any idea of VoiceOver by just asking questions. If you 
> can get to an Apple Store or Apple reseller, try one out.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Dave Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Wish you could lock the VO keys with an arrow based command, that would make
>> a lot of difference I think!
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Ivey Jr.
>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:38 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How To Get VoiceOver To Read Mail Messages Automatically
>> 
>> hello;  from my experience I generally use vo, which is control plus  
>> option, with the arrow keys, space bar, and shift key.  I use tab and  
>> shift tab for some things.  I use vo i and vo u a lot for the links  
>> menu and items menu.  and if you have the newer ones and are familiar  
>> with using a mouse you can do a lot of things with the track pad  
>> commander feature.  good luck with your decision, max
>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:27 AM, Dave Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Here is where I think one of the biggest issues is though. As a  
>>> prospective
>>> Mac user, from the demos and manuals, there seem to be an awful lot of
>>> different and often complex keystrokes to do things. I'm not clear  
>>> if one
>>> needs all of them or if people doing the demos are making things more
>>> complex than needed, or just not explaining why things are the way  
>>> they are.
>>> In Windows we can work out which methods to try based on what kind  
>>> of task
>>> we are doing. We know that you activate things with either enter or  
>>> space,
>>> both single keystrokes. We know there are many ways to move around,  
>>> but we
>>> know that we can find most things by exploring menus or tabbing.  
>>> Most times,
>>> our screen readers know what we are most likely to want to do and  
>>> give us
>>> the option of automating that task, often on a per application  
>>> basis. They
>>> can also give us relatively simple keystrokes on a per application  
>>> basis to
>>> do tasks specific to that application.
>>> 
>>> It comes across that with a Mac you have at least three different  
>>> way to
>>> select things and that only one of them will work in a given  
>>> situation. It
>>> comes across that you have to navigate relatively complex screens with
>>> multi-finger keystrokes to do what you can often do with one single
>>> keystroke in Windows, specific questions in a separate message, and  
>>> it comes
>>> across that there are a lot of situations when a Windows screen  
>>> reader would
>>> automate something that you have to tell VO to do.
>>> 
>>> Be assured, I raise these points not in opposition to converting,  
>>> I'm here
>>> because I'm seriously thinking that when this computer goes, the  
>>> next one
>>> will be a Mac, but for others thinking of converting, I hope the  
>>> answers
>>> people give to these points will reassure them and hopefully be  
>>> reflected in
>>> some sort of searchable tips and tricks kind of website. I very much  
>>> want to
>>> know what's possible, not seem in opposition.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly thurman
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:31 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: How To Get VoiceOver To Read Mail Messages Automatically
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I fell into that trap early on with VO coming from Jaws.  Now,  
>>> when I
>>> pick up my windows laptop, I have to remind myself where the tab key  
>>> is and
>>> not to grab the control and windows key with the arrows.  It's very
>>> disorienting some times.  LOL!
>>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Dave,
 
 You can set VO to interact automatically when you tab to a field  
 where
>>> this is appropriate, but tabbing isn't always the best way to  
>>> navigate with
>>> VO. Many ex-JAWS users get themselves into a muddle by tabbing  
>>> everywhere.
>>> As a very very long-term Mac user, the tab key is the last thing I  
>>> think
>>> about for navigation.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
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> Hi
> 
> Does tabbing around not make VO automatically interact?
 
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Re: VoiceOver Used to automatically jump to the Text Area When Opening a Mail Message but not in 10.6.4

[Chris Moore]

what problems are you having? I just use VO +J and it works fine.  Mind I must 
admit it would be nice if I did not have to do that. 
On 17 Jun 2010, at 17:09, Pete Nalda wrote:

> Thought I'd share this email I got back from accessibil...@apple.com
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Accessibility 
>> Date: June 17, 2010 2:56:17 AM CDT
>> To: Pete Nalda 
>> Subject: Re: VoiceOver Used to automatically jump to the Text Area When 
>> Opening a Mail Message but not in 10.6.4
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Thanks for your email.  We appreciate you bringing this to our attention and 
>> have passed it on to the engineering team for their review.
>> 
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Pete Nalda wrote:
>> 
>>> This means we have to interact, then navigate to text, then read.  A lot of 
>>> folks are having this problem since the 10.6.4 update.  Just thought I'd 
>>> write in.  Thanks in Advance.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates)
>>> Pete Nalda
>>> http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda
>>> http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates)
> Pete Nalda
> http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda
> http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda
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Re: automatically having incoming messages read i nIChat

[Chris Moore]

This is very useful, thank you Mary.  I also stumbled across this when I looked 
in the VO help area getting started, using os x applications.  There is a very 
useful section on using iChat.  I forgot how useful pressing VO+H is for help 
is lol. 
On 17 Jun 2010, at 16:51, Mary Otten wrote:

> There has been some talk about IM clients lately and I thought folks might be 
> interested in something I just learned about yesterday on another Mac-related 
> list. You can get your incoming IChat messages read out to you by opening the 
> Ichat preferences (command comma when in Ichat. There is an events pop up 
> button which you activate with the space bar and then arrow down the list of 
> events until you hear message received and press enter. There is a series of 
> choices found by vo right arrowing. One of those options, the last one in the 
> group is speak an announcement. that's a misleading label, because what this 
> actually does is to read the incoming message. check that check box and your 
> incoming messages will be read automatically. You can apparently adjust the 
> speed of the reading by the system preferences, speech area, but I haven't 
> looked for that yet so can't report. By default, at least on my system, the 
> voice used was Alex, but the speech rate was really slow. Since I have had 
> the problem with VO crashing in the Ichat html area, I was very glad to hear 
> about this method of hearing incoming messages. there appears to be a lot of 
> customization that you can do in Ichat. there are several events in that 
> events pop up menu, and you dcan assign sounds to them or speak announcements 
> etc. Hope that helps somebody.
> 
> mary
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Re: Prospective Mac User

[Chris Moore]

hey thanks just tried that and it works a treat, shame it does not auto read 
out the new message automatically as it arrives, but still a damn sight better 
then the way I was using IM before.  Just tried it with Adium, will try it with 
ichat/facebook when I get that working again. 
On 17 Jun 2010, at 11:47, John André Netland wrote:

> Here is what to do when doing IM with VoiceOver:
> •Navigate to the text field
> •Press control-option-shift-F3 to turn cursor tracking off
> •Navigate to the area for incoming messages
> •read and answer just by navigating the message area, you don't need to move 
> to the text field. Just write and press enter.
> •Remember to press control-option-shift-F3 to turn curser tracking on before 
> using other apps.
> 
> This should work in all IM apps, like text chat in Skype, iChat etc. etc.
> 
> Hope this helps someone.
> 
> John André
> 
> On 17. juni 2010, at 11.47, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> You can create keyboard command shortcuts to perform basic tasks, such as 
>> launch an application, tell you the current time, tell you how many unread 
>> messages you have and I have assigned a toggle between DOM and Group mode 
>> for when using Safari.  mAC os x has scripting built into the OS which 
>> VoiceOver is part of too as VoiceOver is built into the OS its not an add 
>> on.  Mac OS X has Automator too fa visual way to build many scripts.  I must 
>> admit I have not used scripts yet as I am fairly new to VoiceOver too.
>> 
>> Like you I would prefer a better way of using IM, it is a bit clumsy on the 
>> Mac I find.  I wrote to Apple accessibility about iChat, I would like iChat 
>> to automatically speak out a message as it arrives in the active window so I 
>> can easily quickly type a response.  Currently I have to move to the edit 
>> box and type my message and then navigate to the HTML window to read my 
>> replies in a conversation and a lot of the time (Adium) I have to keep 
>> scrolling down the entire history to read my last message received.  Not 
>> sure if there is a better way.  I think iChat supports VO +J but as I was 
>> about to try it Safari 5 seemed to mess up my iChat experience.  I have seen 
>> JAWS use MSN Messenger for Windows and it is far superior, if we keep the 
>> pressure up with Apple hopefully iChat will work just as well.  As for other 
>> IM applications, we are best writing to the developers directly.
>> On 17 Jun 2010, at 10:35, Dave Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Here are some specific questions on areas where it appears Jaws is ahead.
>>> 
>>> 1. In messenger programs, is it possible to have a set of keystrokes that
>>> will read messages and stay within the history area while being able to type
>>> in the edit area at the same time and review that typing? I would want to
>>> have a feature set like the alt plus numbers and arrows in Jaws otherwise it
>>> would be too slow. This is one of the main reasons I haven't switched to
>>> NVDA rather than Jaws.
>>> 
>>> 2. In Skype, I can get to my contacts or conversations list with single
>>> keystrokes using ctrl 1 and ctrl 2, and focus most other areas with similar
>>> keystrokes. In addition to the feature I just asked for in messenger, how
>>> easy is this in Mac?
>>> 
>>> 3. This one is not a Mac problem, but is really important to me. I use
>>> several programs that make tasks so easy in Windows that don't work on the
>>> Mac. How much does it cost to buy Windows stand alone these days to run
>>> those on a Mac? I'm thinking of SpeakOn which makes internet radio, podcasts
>>> and all sorts of other audio things much easier and gives you fantastic
>>> control over speed etc, Kurzweil 1000 which though expensive automates so
>>> much of my mail reading by simply scanning and automatically reading things
>>> while I'm doing things, and programs that don't even exist for Mac like the
>>> VIP communicator for the Accessible Friends Network and VIP Conduit.
>>> 
>>> It is also possible with Jaws for people to write scripts to do things and
>>> share them. Is this possible for VO?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:13 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Prospective Mac User
>>> 
>>> What do you feel Freedom Sciencefiction and jaws provide that VO lacks?
>>> I'

Re: Prospective Mac User

[Chris Moore]

I found this interesting thread regarding scripting for VO:

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/msg09201.html

On 17 Jun 2010, at 10:49, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> You can have vo scripts but i don't find them necessary.
> 
> As for curser tracking you can do that in vo. just press vo shift f3 to 
> toggle that and it will remember where you are in a lot of apps at once if 
> that is off. Toggle it back on  and you should  be good to go. and saving 
> locations you can use hot spots that can defying what you want to do but they 
> are not app specific sadly.
> 
> Sorry I could not answer everything.
> 
> Take care.
> 
> S
> On Jun 17, 2010, at 2:35 AM, Dave Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Here are some specific questions on areas where it appears Jaws is ahead.
>> 
>> 1. In messenger programs, is it possible to have a set of keystrokes that
>> will read messages and stay within the history area while being able to type
>> in the edit area at the same time and review that typing? I would want to
>> have a feature set like the alt plus numbers and arrows in Jaws otherwise it
>> would be too slow. This is one of the main reasons I haven't switched to
>> NVDA rather than Jaws.
>> 
>> 2. In Skype, I can get to my contacts or conversations list with single
>> keystrokes using ctrl 1 and ctrl 2, and focus most other areas with similar
>> keystrokes. In addition to the feature I just asked for in messenger, how
>> easy is this in Mac?
>> 
>> 3. This one is not a Mac problem, but is really important to me. I use
>> several programs that make tasks so easy in Windows that don't work on the
>> Mac. How much does it cost to buy Windows stand alone these days to run
>> those on a Mac? I'm thinking of SpeakOn which makes internet radio, podcasts
>> and all sorts of other audio things much easier and gives you fantastic
>> control over speed etc, Kurzweil 1000 which though expensive automates so
>> much of my mail reading by simply scanning and automatically reading things
>> while I'm doing things, and programs that don't even exist for Mac like the
>> VIP communicator for the Accessible Friends Network and VIP Conduit.
>> 
>> It is also possible with Jaws for people to write scripts to do things and
>> share them. Is this possible for VO?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman
>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:13 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Prospective Mac User
>> 
>> What do you feel Freedom Sciencefiction and jaws provide that VO lacks?
>> I'm just curious.
>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
>> 
>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:25 PM, cathyk wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kolby,
>>> I bought my MacBook Pro about a month ago, and am largely happy.  But
>>> there are a few important things to know. 1) VO doesn't work with all
>>> programs, notably MS Word.  I was surprised that such an industry
>>> standard requires finding workarounds every time you open a document,
>>> which isn't ideal when doing collaborative writing projects or comment
>>> on hundreds of papers electronically as I do.  Whether this is Apple's
>>> or Microsoft's fault, the bottom line is that Word files need to be
>>> "translated" through programs like "Preview" (which comes installed)
>>> or Pages in iworks, which requires laying out another $50 or $60.
>>> Some say the new freeware version of Open Office works better; I
>>> haven't tried, so I'd love to hear from someone who writes and edits a
>>> lot.  Even if it works better than the paid version, I suspect other
>>> features get lost - alas, you get what you pay for.  2) the
>>> portability features seem terrific but you should consider which
>>> environments you'll be wanting to access because at least for now the
>>> Mac market is quite small in comparison to PCs, so the number of
>>> computers where your USB settings will work is fairly small.  3) VO is
>>> very good, but it isn't JAWS or ZoomText.  Many of us dream of a day
>>> when we can use out-of-the-box technology just like everyone else;
>>> we're much, much closer, but that day isn't there yet.  4) The user
>>> support is limited for VO.  This discussion list is excellent, but I
>>> still have a growing list of questions that people can't answer and
>>> that are impossible to look up.  Even the in-depth manual isn't *that*
>>> in-depth.  This means there's a kind of pioneer spirit to the whole
>>> thing, with people figuring out this and that just like they would
>>> sort out how to repair a wagon wheel a thousand miles from
>>> civilization.  That's exciting, hip, and creative, but sometimes you
>>> just want a simple answer to a nagging problem that's still beyond
>>> even the best macvisionaries.  All that said, I'm enjoying my new
>>> machine.
>>> Best,
>>> Cathyk
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2:10 pm, Pete Nalda  wrote:
 First off, don't worry about what

Re: Prospective Mac User

[Chris Moore]

You can create keyboard command shortcuts to perform basic tasks, such as 
launch an application, tell you the current time, tell you how many unread 
messages you have and I have assigned a toggle between DOM and Group mode for 
when using Safari.  mAC os x has scripting built into the OS which VoiceOver is 
part of too as VoiceOver is built into the OS its not an add on.  Mac OS X has 
Automator too fa visual way to build many scripts.  I must admit I have not 
used scripts yet as I am fairly new to VoiceOver too.

Like you I would prefer a better way of using IM, it is a bit clumsy on the Mac 
I find.  I wrote to Apple accessibility about iChat, I would like iChat to 
automatically speak out a message as it arrives in the active window so I can 
easily quickly type a response.  Currently I have to move to the edit box and 
type my message and then navigate to the HTML window to read my replies in a 
conversation and a lot of the time (Adium) I have to keep scrolling down the 
entire history to read my last message received.  Not sure if there is a better 
way.  I think iChat supports VO +J but as I was about to try it Safari 5 seemed 
to mess up my iChat experience.  I have seen JAWS use MSN Messenger for Windows 
and it is far superior, if we keep the pressure up with Apple hopefully iChat 
will work just as well.  As for other IM applications, we are best writing to 
the developers directly.
On 17 Jun 2010, at 10:35, Dave Taylor wrote:

> Here are some specific questions on areas where it appears Jaws is ahead.
> 
> 1. In messenger programs, is it possible to have a set of keystrokes that
> will read messages and stay within the history area while being able to type
> in the edit area at the same time and review that typing? I would want to
> have a feature set like the alt plus numbers and arrows in Jaws otherwise it
> would be too slow. This is one of the main reasons I haven't switched to
> NVDA rather than Jaws.
> 
> 2. In Skype, I can get to my contacts or conversations list with single
> keystrokes using ctrl 1 and ctrl 2, and focus most other areas with similar
> keystrokes. In addition to the feature I just asked for in messenger, how
> easy is this in Mac?
> 
> 3. This one is not a Mac problem, but is really important to me. I use
> several programs that make tasks so easy in Windows that don't work on the
> Mac. How much does it cost to buy Windows stand alone these days to run
> those on a Mac? I'm thinking of SpeakOn which makes internet radio, podcasts
> and all sorts of other audio things much easier and gives you fantastic
> control over speed etc, Kurzweil 1000 which though expensive automates so
> much of my mail reading by simply scanning and automatically reading things
> while I'm doing things, and programs that don't even exist for Mac like the
> VIP communicator for the Accessible Friends Network and VIP Conduit.
> 
> It is also possible with Jaws for people to write scripts to do things and
> share them. Is this possible for VO?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman
> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:13 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Prospective Mac User
> 
> What do you feel Freedom Sciencefiction and jaws provide that VO lacks?
> I'm just curious.
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:25 PM, cathyk wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kolby,
>> I bought my MacBook Pro about a month ago, and am largely happy.  But
>> there are a few important things to know. 1) VO doesn't work with all
>> programs, notably MS Word.  I was surprised that such an industry
>> standard requires finding workarounds every time you open a document,
>> which isn't ideal when doing collaborative writing projects or comment
>> on hundreds of papers electronically as I do.  Whether this is Apple's
>> or Microsoft's fault, the bottom line is that Word files need to be
>> "translated" through programs like "Preview" (which comes installed)
>> or Pages in iworks, which requires laying out another $50 or $60.
>> Some say the new freeware version of Open Office works better; I
>> haven't tried, so I'd love to hear from someone who writes and edits a
>> lot.  Even if it works better than the paid version, I suspect other
>> features get lost - alas, you get what you pay for.  2) the
>> portability features seem terrific but you should consider which
>> environments you'll be wanting to access because at least for now the
>> Mac market is quite small in comparison to PCs, so the number of
>> computers where your USB settings will work is fairly small.  3) VO is
>> very good, but it isn't JAWS or ZoomText.  Many of us dream of a day
>> when we can use out-of-the-box technology just like everyone else;
>> we're much, much closer, but that day isn't there yet.  4) The user
>> support is limited for VO.  This discussion list is excellent, but I

Re: DJ for mac

[Chris Moore]

See this is where Apple is missing a trick.  Garage Band is pretty good for 
putting podcasts together, but it would be nice to have some DJ features too.  
Better integration with iTunes and some beat matching etc   Its been a while 
since any decent new features were added to GB, over to you Apple

Also GarageBand etc would be so cool on the iPad!!

On 16 Jun 2010, at 23:13, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Hi,
> I've tried to ask this question before, but I'm not sure if it got through. 
> So, if anyone knows can you please tell me if I could record a song then talk 
> then record more songs. I'm planning on doing an Internet Radio show and 
> prerecording it. Would this work? If not, any better ideas?
> Courtney
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
> 
>> You can hook up any digital jogwheel to the dj software 
>> 
>> I've been playing with my vci100 for a while now and it works like a charm
>> 
>> You can also plug in audio units for extra effects.
>> 
>> The scratch thing is just for the guys to label more of the buttons and 
>> checkbvoxes 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Applications

[Chris Moore]

I prefer Apple Mail and Safari to Microsoft's Outlook and Internet Explorer.  
You can get AOL instant messenger for the Mac, but personally I prefer iChat 
for use with AOL, you can get iChat to also work with Facebook and MSN too  
Apple will fix these current problems within weeks I am sure.  Also corby you 
can also run Windows on a Mac too if you do run into any compatibility 
problems, but hopefully you will not have any. 
On 16 Jun 2010, at 23:16, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I think you should keep in mind this is a list pretty much designed to get 
> help when things go wrong. :).  That being said, your likely to hear the 
> uglier side of peoples experiences.  After all, If everything worked as 
> advertised there would be little use for such a list.  Generally speaking, I 
> find Apple to not linger in correcting significant bugs.  Accessibility 
> related or otherwise.  So.  Applications.  I've been using a Mac for 2 years 
> and this is the first time I had a buggy experience with Safari.  Facebook 
> kinda sucks on the Mac in my opinion though.  I don't find to be that great 
> on windows but I do think Jaws and windows handles the site a little better.  
> Remember, I'm just talking about the main Facebook site.  The word processing 
> apps that Apple makes Text edit, which comes with the Mac and Pages, which 
> you pay for as a part of the iWork productivity suite, will get the job done 
> for most users.  The Mail app works well.  I guess it would be the equivalent 
> to outlook in this case.  Their have been minor bugs.  None have personally 
> plagued my Mac but, from what I could remember they didn't cripple the 
> program.  They were more an annoyance than anything.  Someone pleas correct 
> me if I'm mistaken.  I don't use iChat which seems to be on the Frits at the 
> moment but the program called adium.  Its free and works quite well for my 
> instant messaging needs.
> 
> hth
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Kolby Garrison wrote:
> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> I am following the thread on the problems that users are having with safari, 
>> and all of the problems that I am reading about have me wondering what core 
>> applications are accessible with voiceover? What applications people are 
>> having problems with, and when did the problems that people are having begin 
>> occurring? I am a college student, and if I purchase a mac I need to know 
>> that I will be able to accomplish things without accessibility hiccups. Or 
>> if there are hiccups, that they will be addressed. The applications that I 
>> use on a daily basis are word, outlook, excel, internet explorer, itunes, 
>> aol instant messenger, and windows live messenger. The websites that I use 
>> on a daily basis are google, gmail, facebook, and twitter. I know that 
>> safari is the mac equivalent to internet explorer, but are their mac 
>> equivalents for the other applications mentioned above? If there are, what 
>> are they and how accessible are they? I am thoroughly enjoying the list thus 
>> far. I love how detailed everyone is when addressing issues that they are 
>> having. It helps to know what people are experiencing.
>> Thank you,
>> Kolby
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Re: The Safari 5 Journey

[Chris Moore]

Thank you that is very kind of you and I may take you up on that offer.  I have 
thought about iWork as it might be the only option, was hoping the new version 
might be out by no.  I also believe OpenOffice is also VO friendly, anyone had 
experience with it?  Sadly i do need MS Office compatibility and it looks like 
the next version of Office is going to be no better.  Unfortunately I have to 
use Windows at work, wish they used Macs!

to be honest now I have got to grips with most of VoiceOver's shortcuts and 
Apple's keyboard shortcuts I find I am now whizzing around the mac faster than 
I did when I could see  I find with VoiceOver you have to do very little 
reaching for key strokes thanks to the rota and VO buttons and cursor 
keys/touch pad.  With jawS you have to use the number pad a lot and the 
function keys for surfing etc.  And there is a forms mode? What is all that 
about?
On 16 Jun 2010, at 23:33, Olivia Norman wrote:

> I can't speak to FB on windows, either, haven't used jaws in three years, 
> have no plans or desire to go back to windows!
> Have you tried iWork?  It has similar functionality to MS office and works 
> very well with VO.  You can also read and work with documents created by MS 
> office.  If you need to work wiht someone using office, you can easily save 
> documents in MS word, excell, and powerpoint formats.  If you have any 
> questions about any of this, feel free to email me off list.
> Olivia 
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> I have a 18 month old MacBook which has the new track pad and I also have a 
>> 2 and a half year old iMac and I have experienced the same problem with both 
>> machines.   was on the Apple site today and was trying to download a manual 
>> for the iPod Nano and VoiceOver had a heart attack.
>> Before Safari 5 I was using iChat to chat to friends via Facebook (jabber) 
>> and now it won't work, it connects ok but all I see is a series of numbers 
>> when someone tries to chat to me.  Very frustrating as I have only been a VO 
>> user for 2 months as I lost my vision in March.  I have been a mac user for 
>> 10 years.
>> 
>> Sadly many apps I used to use do not really work with VO such MS Office, MSN 
>> Messenger keeps crashing and I am unable to use Logic Pro 9 and Reason.  I 
>> have emailed the makers of Reason and they tell me they have no plans to add 
>> VO support to their products (money down the drain for me then), just hoping 
>> Apple add support to Logic.
>> 
>> All in all VO is wonderful and very easy to use, its the third party 
>> developers that are the problem.  I also wish Facebook was easier to use, I 
>> am having to switch between Mac and Iphone to use it and VO is not a 
>> pleasurable experience on either device.  I can't say at this stage if fb is 
>> any better on Windows with JAWS.  I will be learning JAWS for work soon.
>> On 16 Jun 2010, at 22:00, Olivia Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> I wonder the same thing.  My macbook is a year old and has the current 
>>> trackpad and specs.  I am out of town, but am going to wait until I get 
>>> home to update my iMac, which I got in December of 2009.  It will be 
>>> interesting to see whether they have the same problems.
>>> 
>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
>>> 
>>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm really curious. I'm not experiencing any of these issues with Safari 
>>>> 5. I use Safari all day to research the answers to queries in the 
>>>> translations I do. I also use Audible.com and have no problems with that, 
>>>> either.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm wondering if this depends on the hardware being used. I have a 
>>>> 3-year-old MacBook which has a couple of major differences from the 
>>>> current crop of Laptops. The volume is controlled by F4 and F5, and it 
>>>> just has a normal trackpad, not the multi-touch variety that can be used 
>>>> with the trackpad commander. Oh yes, and there's only one Option key. 
>>>> There is an Enter key on the right where the new ones have the second 
>>>> Option key.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Anne
>>>> 
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Re: DJ for mac

[Chris Moore]

I used to love record scratching on my old Technics turntables.  cAn you use 
external devices with this program like you can with Native Instrument's DJ 
scratch?  I would love an accessible app that I could scratch into, the track 
pad would be a bit rubbish as you would need a cross fader for the cutting and 
transformer effects.
On 16 Jun 2010, at 22:27, clarence griffin wrote:

> I can see the unknown table. Its nothing more than the iTunes play lists.
> I forgot how to make it show though. I did it once and now I can't see it 
> again. I will try to figure out how to make it visible.
> And what's this about scratching?
> 
> GF
> 
> 
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
> 
>> Hi GF,
>> 
>> The unknown table is the playlist table. I have been in contact with 
>> algoriddim to get them to fix this issue as well as figure a way to give us 
>> the capability of scratching with our trackpads By setting up bounded 
>> hotspots.
>> 
>> But back to the unknown. The playlists, if you have them, can be searched by 
>> just typing the first or second letter of the name of the playlist and it 
>> will place you there with the left table having all the tracks in it.
>> 
>> If you want to load tracks to left or right just press command left or right 
>> arrow.
>> 
>> Hope that helps 
>> 
>> Yuma DX®
>> 
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Re: The Safari 5 Journey

[Chris Moore]

I have a 18 month old MacBook which has the new track pad and I also have a 2 
and a half year old iMac and I have experienced the same problem with both 
machines.   was on the Apple site today and was trying to download a manual for 
the iPod Nano and VoiceOver had a heart attack.
 Before Safari 5 I was using iChat to chat to friends via Facebook (jabber) and 
now it won't work, it connects ok but all I see is a series of numbers when 
someone tries to chat to me.  Very frustrating as I have only been a VO user 
for 2 months as I lost my vision in March.  I have been a mac user for 10 years.

Sadly many apps I used to use do not really work with VO such MS Office, MSN 
Messenger keeps crashing and I am unable to use Logic Pro 9 and Reason.  I have 
emailed the makers of Reason and they tell me they have no plans to add VO 
support to their products (money down the drain for me then), just hoping Apple 
add support to Logic.

All in all VO is wonderful and very easy to use, its the third party developers 
that are the problem.  I also wish Facebook was easier to use, I am having to 
switch between Mac and Iphone to use it and VO is not a pleasurable experience 
on either device.  I can't say at this stage if fb is any better on Windows 
with JAWS.  I will be learning JAWS for work soon.
On 16 Jun 2010, at 22:00, Olivia Norman wrote:

> I wonder the same thing.  My macbook is a year old and has the current 
> trackpad and specs.  I am out of town, but am going to wait until I get home 
> to update my iMac, which I got in December of 2009.  It will be interesting 
> to see whether they have the same problems.
> 
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> I'm really curious. I'm not experiencing any of these issues with Safari 5. 
>> I use Safari all day to research the answers to queries in the translations 
>> I do. I also use Audible.com and have no problems with that, either.
>> 
>> I'm wondering if this depends on the hardware being used. I have a 
>> 3-year-old MacBook which has a couple of major differences from the current 
>> crop of Laptops. The volume is controlled by F4 and F5, and it just has a 
>> normal trackpad, not the multi-touch variety that can be used with the 
>> trackpad commander. Oh yes, and there's only one Option key. There is an 
>> Enter key on the right where the new ones have the second Option key.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
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