Voiceover default voice confusion

[Simon Cavendish]

Hi,

So I open my voiceover Utility and choose speech tab. Then customise languages. 
I look at the default language, which is English.  Although Alex is speaking, 
the button where you choose the voice says Eloquence Fiona.  No matter what I 
do, I can’’t make it say what it is: Alex.  I have 4 more voices configured, 
and yet when I use vo+command+shift to switch from voice to voice, Voiceover 
says there are no voices available.  What’s going on?

Any comments especially from multilingual users appreciated.

Andrew   

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Re: Headphones for my SE 2020

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Hello,

This model has no headphone jack but uses the lightning connecter. The charging 
lightning port doubles as headphone connecter. You will need an adapter 
lightning to 3.5 mm headphone adapter.

Best wishes

Simon 

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> I’ve recently purchased an Iphone SE 2020 and I cannot locate the headphones 
> jack.  Is there one or am I to buy Bluetooth headphones for this model.  
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Re: Sharing encrypted files and folders between Mac and IOS

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Paul,

Checkout Encrypto app by Macpaw.com to see whether it might meet your needs.  I 
have just come across this app but have not used it yet.

I’m pasting the link to the app details below my name.

Simon 

https://macpaw.com/encrypto
Encrypto | Encrypt your files before sending them to friends or coworkers
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> Hello,
> Does anyone know of an accessible encryption App which will run on both Mac 
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> I want to store some encrypted files and folders using iCloud drive and have 
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Reading DAISY books on Mac os Sonoma

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Hi,

Is there a way of reading DAISY books on the mac M1 chip?  I mean reading using 
voiceover and a Braille display?  I know there’s Dolphin Easy reader but it 
requires subscription which is not cheap.

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Re: How to open an App from an unknown developer in Ventura

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Hi Paul,

the way I’ve always gone round this problem is to invoke contextual menu while 
focused on the name of the app in the application folder and choosing to open 
it from there.  You get a warning with the cancel button as the rightmost 
element but before the cancel button there will be the “open’ button and you 
vo+spacebar on that one.  This should do the trick.

Simon 

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> I am running Ventura 13.6.3 on my 1997 iMac.
> I want to run an App from an unidentified developer. IN the past I could go 
> to my gateway settings and choose from App store or from identified developer 
> or App store or open anyway. The option to open anyway is no longer there.
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Re: Setting up Apple tv 4K without sighted help

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Ray, thank you for this.  Where will I find this indented key?  On the unit 
itself or the remote control?

Simon 

> On 8 Jan 2024, at 13:01, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
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> No need to be nervous at all.  First thing you do once you've plugged 
> everything in is touch the key that's slightly indented three times quickly.  
> That will turn on Voice Over and you're good to go from there.
> 
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> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud Mac, Xfinity Mobile and Apple TV user
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>> Hi,
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>> I’m expecting a delivery of Apple tv 4K wifi. Will I be able to set it up 
>> without sighted help straight from the box?  I’m feeling rather nervous.
>> 
>> Any tips would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Simon 
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Setting up Apple tv 4K without sighted help

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Hi,

I’m expecting a delivery of Apple tv 4K wifi. Will I be able to set it up 
without sighted help straight from the box?  I’m feeling rather nervous.

Any tips would be appreciated.

Simon 

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Re: How to read pdf or if there is a app

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Hi Tom,

The application Preview is always available on mac OS; you will find it in your 
applications folder and most likely on your dock if you press control + F3 key 
or control + option + letter D, and then start typing preview, you should land 
on it.  Press enter and it will open.  It is also a default application that 
will open if you receive a pdf file and open it.

Simon 

> On 7 Jan 2024, at 11:26, Tom Rash  wrote:
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> I am also pretty new to the Mac.  I don’t get many PDF files.  Do I need to 
> get this preview app, or is it just available when needed.  I don’t remember 
> having a problem reading PDF’s. 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2024, at 2:04 PM, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
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>> Hi  it  is  grate to  hear that  you  have  a new  Mac. Pdf files are  best  
>> done  in  preview I elect all  text and  copy it  to  Microsoft Word. It  
>> works  grate for  me. HTH Maurice  Mines.
>> President Nfb Deafblind Division.
>> 
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>>> Hi all,
>>> I just got a new mack computer.  I was wondering how do you open or read 
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>>> Thanks 
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Apple TV 4th generation

[Simon Cavendish]

Hi,

I’ve had Apple TV third generation for years. I’ts going great but there’s an 
application or two wich I’d like to use and I have no ability to download it 
onto my third generation Apple TV. Do you find it easy to work with forth gen 
Apple tv? Any tips,  comments, suggestions?

Simon 

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Re: Need a new Braille display

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Yes, I’m considering the Orbit 40.  I’m hoping some people on the list may have 
this display and might share their opinion on it.

Simon 

> On 22 Nov 2023, at 17:52, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:
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> Have you looked at the Orbit 40? It is the least expensive display I
> am aware of.
> 
> On 11/22/23, Simon Cavendish  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’d like your suggestions for a new Braille display at a lower price end on
>> the market.  My Focus 40 blue has died and I need a 32 cell or 40 cell
>> Braille display with no bells and whistles.  Any comments on the Orbit
>> Braille display, which seems to be more affordable at present?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Simon
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Need a new Braille display

[Simon Cavendish]

Hi,

I’d like your suggestions for a new Braille display at a lower price end on the 
market.  My Focus 40 blue has died and I need a 32 cell or 40 cell Braille 
display with no bells and whistles.  Any comments on the Orbit Braille display, 
which seems to be more affordable at present?

Many thanks

Simon 

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One Drive blocks access to menu extra in Sonoma

[Simon Cavendish]

Hi,

When One Drive is running on my macbook air in Sonoma, when pressing vo+m twice 
in order to access menu extra, One Drive window pops up and there’s no way I 
can see my menu extra.  Could anyone replicate this before I report this to 
Apple?  Also, is there an alternative way of accessing menu extra with 
Voiceover?  At present, to access menu extra, I have to quit One Drive.  This 
is a nuisance.

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Re: Google drive on a Mac

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Dear Lorie,

You need to go to menu extra, find Google drive and vo+space on it.  You will 
be presented with a number of choices.  Press “more” and you should be in the 
preferences for Google Drive.  There you can determine whether your files sync 
and are available off-line.

Simon 

> On 18 Nov 2023, at 07:13, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I’m trying to get my files on Google drive to show up on my computer but I 
> guess I’m not telling it the right thing. I installed google drive on the 
> computer and the alias is there but it shows that all my files are up to date 
> and there’s not a thing in mydrive on my commputer. how do I get them to sync 
> up?
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Test message

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Could you please confirm this message has reached the group?

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Best headset to use with navigation apps out and about

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Hi

I’d like to start experimenting with navigation apps.  I will need to purchase 
a good headset, and I guess this will have to be bone conduction one as I’m 
totally blind and need to monitor other sounds in the streets.  Could you share 
your experience with such?  I know many of you use navigation apps to enhance 
independent mobility.  For me, it’s going to be a tremendous learning curve.

Many thanks

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My first ever Zoom call on a mac and I'm really worried

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Hi,

I’ve been sent an invitation to a Zoom meeting in a few days’ time.  I’ve got 
Zoom installed on my M1 chip macbook air but I’ve not done a Zoom meeting 
before.  They sent me a link, and then some ID numbers.  If I click the link, 
will it automatically connect me to the person who issued the invitation?  Do I 
need to do anything else of importance once in Zoom window?  Any tips from more 
experienced Zoom users on the mac would be appreciated.

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Test

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Hi,

I don’t seem to be receiving any messages from the group although I have chosen 
to receive each individual email.  Am I missing something I should have done?

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just testing my preferences.

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Re: new mac user please help

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Dear Zoe,

Welcome to the group. I, too, am a Greek speaker and I, too, chose to switch to 
Mac because of the many language Apple offers. I've learnt Greek, and in fact, 
I'm still continuing my classes with a tutor in Cyprus.

Now to your questions. Isaac has already told you how to switch languages on 
the fly. I hope that this is working well for you now.

The second point is more complex, and I will try to explain. My knowledge of 
this comes from the very many exchanges I've had over the years with the 
members of the group, so I owe it all to them.

The reason why you call up spotlight search is that the shortcut key 
combination command+spacebar is assigned to spotlight. You need to disassociate 
this combination with spotlight and than assign it or activate it for the input 
source. It's a while since I have done it, so forgive me if I make an error. 
Someone else on the list may correct me on this.

1. Open system preferences by going to the dock with control+f3. You should 
here voiceover say "dock". Once in the dock, you can type three first letters 
"sys" to land immediately on system preferences. Press enter. System 
preferences will open. You will be probably in the toolbar of system 
preferences where you have back forward buttons and search field. Stop 
interacting with the toolbar by pressing vo+shift+uparrow and vo + right arrow 
when you will here preferences pane. 

2. Interact with preference pain and vo+right arrow to find the button 
"keyboard" or else start typing the word keyboard and you should land on this 
button. Press vo+spacebar on this button to open keyboard preferences.

3. In keyboard preferences you will have several tabs. As you vo+right arrow 
through the window, you will hear the word tab and highlighted. The highlighted 
tab is th the one which is currently active. 

4. Find the tab which says shortcuts. Press vo+spacebar on it to highlighted. 
It will now read "highlighted". Continue vo+right arrow to find two tables 
where you will need to make choices and perform actions. Remember to interact 
with a table you need to press vo+shift+down arrow and to stop interacting you 
press vo+shift+uparrow. Once you interact with the table you can vo+down or up 
arrow through the rows and vo+left or right arrow to examine each row.

5. Interact with the first table and find the category "spotlight". Once you 
land on it, stop interacting with the table. The item "spotlight" will now be 
highlighted. Move vo+right to the next table of shortcuts. 

6. Interact with the second table and uncheck the boxes next to the spotlight 
actions. 

7. Stop interacting with the table and move back to the previous table of 
"shortcut categories". Interact with it and find the category "input source'. 
Stop interacting and move to the shortcuts table

8. Interact with shortcuts table and vo+down arrow until you find previous and 
next input source items. To the left of each item there's a checkbox. Check 
them and to the right of each item there should be a description of the 
shortcut key. 

This is the point where my memory fails me. I can't now remember whether I had 
assigned command+spacebar to the next input source myself or whether it was 
already assigned and I just needed to check the box next to the action item. I 
hope the latter is the case. Try this, and if it doesn't work, you will need to 
assign the shortcut combination. I hope it won't be necessary. 

I did however have to assign a new shortcut to Spotlight. This is maybe for 
later.

Hope this helps, and if you have any more questions, please ask.

Also, there's a very useful macvisionaries archive page whose url is:
macvisionaries

With best wishes

Simon


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RE: Digest for macvisionaries@googlegroups.com - 23 Messages in 11 Topics

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According to vmware website, maverick requires fusion 6. 
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Subject: Digest for macvisionaries@googlegroups.com - 23 Messages in 11 Topics
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: 23/10/2013 10:19 pm

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  - Can't Make a OSX 10.9 Bootdisk [6 Updates]
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/t/f5a19ee057677c28
  - Very Stupid Pages question [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/t/4058f64de64bcf2a
  - Humanware displays under Mavericks [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/t/99a40eb6c8391cda
  - can't download Mavericks... [2 Updates]
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/t/50059384a05bdcc
  - I Pad Air. [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/t/773f119bbd284bcc
  - [HIMS-Notetakers] Mavericks and HIMS Braille displays. [2 Updates]
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/t/22254215dac8d847
  - Confirmation Of A VO Bug [3 Updates]
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/t/82fbcf99b2ad3d9e
  - Change to quick key behaviour in Safari in Mavericks [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/t/a074e154cd8d1f0
  - Can't e-mail Pages file after upgrade [3 Updates]
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/t/67fa8f9bc7052e30
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http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/t/6a370d9e9c98a0cd
  - Fusion5 under Mavericks? [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/t/799e376298c33319


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Topic: Can't Make a OSX 10.9 Bootdisk
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From: Daniel C 
Date: Oct 23 03:05PM -0500
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/e9b338a4b8e0b96c

Hi,
The new Mavricks OS, I can't seem to make a boot disk of.
The install image is 5.31GB, but yet when I use LionDiskMaker or a program 
within the install image called createinstallmedia, both methods failed.
I learned about the createinsallmedia program here
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/10/22/perform-clean-install-os-x-mavericks/
I used the same USB flash drive I used for the latest updates of MountainLion.
An error I got was that a file in the install image was missing, but I don't 
understand why, as it was downloaded at least twice.


-- 2 of 6 --
From: Georgina Joyce 
Date: Oct 23 09:23PM +0100
Url: /group/macvisionaries/msg/9fd726ff6b6a209e

Hello,

A quick search on the web will give you the solution. I've copied the command 
but not the URL:

Basically, use disk utility to format a 8Gb or higher USB stick or SD. It has 
just worked for me. I copied the command from the file and pasted it in a 
terminal. I'm just about to install cleanly. It worked for me but do it at your 
own risk.


Then:

Run this in terminal and wait about 20 minutes:

sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ 
Mavericks.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Untitled 
--applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ Mavericks.app --nointeraction

You should see something like this:

Erasing Disk: 0%... 10%... 20%... 100%...
Copying installer files to disk...
Copy complete.
Making disk bootable...
Copying boot files...
Copy complete.
Done.

You can then boot up from the USB by holding down the option key, then install 
the GM from the USB.


Note that this will also install a recovery partition (which osxdaily's method 
doesn't do).
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-- 3 of 6 --
From: Daniel C 
Date: Oct 23 03:37PM -0500
Url: /group/macvisionaries/msg/972c084bd0090a6e

That's the exact command I did. For some reason it said that it's creating the 
install disk, then a few minutes later, it says that it failed.


-- 4 of 6 --
From: Georgina Joyce 
Date: Oct 23 09:40PM +0100
Url: /group/macvisionaries/msg/8d83e846a4d8213a

Hello,

Well it worked for me. I guess you need to move  it from /Applications and see 
if the app store will let you download it again.



-- 5 of 6 --
From: Georgina Joyce 
Date: Oct 23 09:42PM +0100
Url: /group/macvisionaries/msg/ce53a158c2d797a1

Hello,

Just thought you didn't confirm that you formatted a USB storage device in the 
right format?

Gena


-- 6 of 6 --
From: Daniel C 
Date: Oct 23 04:17PM -0500
Url: /group/macvisionaries/msg/f09d8774889b6a5

I formatted it as Mac extended journaled, and I think I'll 

Re: Verifying disk before Mountain Lion upgrade or clean install

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Because certain repairs or verifications can't be done when you are actually 
within the start up disk. I don't understand the full programming details.
On 12 Aug 2012, at 02:06, Christina C. wrote:

> Thanks for sharing this info.  Why does it have to be done in the recovery 
> partition instead of through Lion in disk utilities?
> 
> Thanks
> Sent from Christina's iMac :)
> 
> On Jul 29, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
> 
>> Dear Listers,
>> 
>> Since the news of Mountain Lion - I still run Lion - I've been reading a lot 
>> about how to make sure I install it as well as possible. Jo Kissell in his 
>> "Take Control of upgrading to Mountain Lion" strongly recommends verifying 
>> one's disk for possible errors because if an error is present, this might 
>> cause problems during and after the installation. At first I was a bit 
>> reluctant to do this because my macbook air is relatively new (end of 2010), 
>> and has a solid drive, and I thought, oh no, it is surely fine. But today I 
>> actually did perform the verification, and an error was found on my drive 
>> and repaired. I therefore thought I'd share the steps I took to accomplish 
>> this in view of the fact that questions have been asked on the list with 
>> regard to the installation and people have been reporting weird behaviour of 
>> Mountain Lion.
>> 
>> 1. Start your mac from the recovery partition of your Lion OS. This is 
>> accomplished by pressing and holding for a few seconds command+r key 
>> combination immediately after the startup chime is heard. It took a few 
>> minutes for my macbook air to boot up so do not worry. Remember, Voiceover 
>> will not start automatically when booting from recovery partition or any 
>> other media.
>> 
>> 2. Start Voiceover with command+f5 (add fn key if the former doesn't work). 
>> Now this is a bit tricky because if you are on your own without any sight, 
>> you don't quite know when the booting process has finished. I kept trying to 
>> start Voiceover a few times unsuccessfully because the booting process was 
>> still going on. Actually, my macbook air while booting was quite hot so the 
>> fan was going, and when the booting was accomplished, the fan stopped too 
>> and I was able to activate Voiceover immediately.
>> 
>> 3. You will now find yourself on a list applications which are arranged in a 
>> table. Interact with the table, and you will see 4 applications here (if I 
>> remember correctly). Restore from time machine, reinstall OS, erase or 
>> repair disk, and disk utility. Press the button which says disk utility.
>> 
>> 4. The disk utility will look exactly like the disk utility application 
>> window you are familiar with. Arrow right past the toolbar and interact with 
>> the table of available disks. Place Voiceover on  your mackintosh hd and 
>> stop interacting with the table. Move right to the list of available tabs. 
>> Choose "first aid' which is usually already highlighted. Move further to the 
>> right and choose repair disk permissions (which you might just as well do  
>> to start with to be sure). Permissions will be repaired (you can watch 
>> results in the table of results which Voiceover announces clearly as you 
>> move around the window. After permissions repair, choose "verify disk", and 
>> again you can see the results in the table. At the very bottom of the table 
>> once the process is complete, you will be told whether any problems have 
>> been found and if the repair was successful.
>> 
>> 5. Quit disk utility and restart your computer as normal.
>> 
>> Hope this will help.
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Apple Bluetooth keyboard

[Simon Cavendish]

I have learnt them from people on the list. Has control+f3 shortcut worked for 
you? I understand this combination and similar like this, for instance, 
control+f8 to go to the menu bar where you have battery charge level, bluetooth 
status, wifi status, etc are not voiceover specific but general shortcut keys.
On 24 Jul 2012, at 11:44, Stacey Robinson wrote:

> No, where can I find a list of these alternative keys.
> 
> On Jul 24, 2012, at 3:02 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
> 
>> Have you tried the alternative shortcut key combination, control+f3? 
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Simon
>> On 24 Jul 2012, at 01:59, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I've pared my apple bluetooth keyboard with my macbook.
>>> I can't get some commands to work though such as moving to the doc. What 
>>> could I be doing wrong?
>>> I'm using the command VOd to go to the doc. This works fine on my usb 
>>> keyboard and on the keyboard of the macbook.
>>> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>> Thanks,
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Re: mail question

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I will describe to you what I do to achieve this on macbook air.

Whilst in a mailbox, interact with the list of messages. Then press 
fn+vo+shift+left arrow to go to the first row of the table of messages and 
fn+vo+right arrow to go to the last row in the table of messages.

hope this helps.

Simon
On 24 Jul 2012, at 11:07, Luke Henson wrote:

> Hey guys 
> 
> Does anyone know  why  command up arrow doesn't lead you to first message on 
> the list and if there's a way to jump from the first message to the last 
> message  
> inside your inbox 
> 
> thanks
> 
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Re: Apple Bluetooth keyboard

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Have you tried the alternative shortcut key combination, control+f3? 

Best wishes

Simon
On 24 Jul 2012, at 01:59, Stacey Robinson wrote:

> Hi,
> I've pared my apple bluetooth keyboard with my macbook.
> I can't get some commands to work though such as moving to the doc. What 
> could I be doing wrong?
> I'm using the command VOd to go to the doc. This works fine on my usb 
> keyboard and on the keyboard of the macbook.
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Re: Removing an item from the dock

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Find the item you wish to remove, press vo+shift+m, and arrow down to options 
submenu. Press right arrow to expand the menu and you should find in there an 
option to remove from dock.

Best wishes

Simon
On 23 Jul 2012, at 13:11, Stacey Robinson wrote:

> Hi all,
> Can someone please refresh my memory. How do you remove something from the 
> dock?
> Thanks,
> Stacey and GEB dog Chesley
> 
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Re: File versions

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Dear Joseph,

I have pasted below a description by Tim Kilburn on how to revert to earlier 
versions of a document in TextEdit. I have found it by doing a search in the 
Googlegroups pages. I will post copy the link to that particular page for your 
information.

Hope this will help

See below for Tim's post.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topicsearchin/macvisionaries/file$20versions$20textedit$20kilburn/macvisionaries/_DyhmXR5eI4Simon



"If your volume supports tracking versions in TextEdit, then you should be able 
to do the following:  clickable 

• Open the document.  
• Either Stop Interacting with the Scroll area, then navigate to the Versions 
menu and choose Browse Versions, or go under the File menu and choose Revert.  
• In either case you will probably need to use the Window Chooser (VO-f2-f2) to 
get a list of documents.  
• You can select one of them, read through it and determine which one you wish 
to use.  
• After you've determined which one is best, use the Window Chooser again to 
select the Version Browser.  
• Select the correct one and then press the Revert button."



On 20 Jul 2012, at 05:59, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> I have not yet figured out how to access multiple ersions of files in Lion.
> 
> Can any of you shed any light on how one goes about accessing these different 
> versions?
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: braille translation for mac?

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I think Erik means louis not Lois. Just a typo I believe. not sure whether 
Louis is Lion compatible?

Best wishes

Simon
On 22 Jul 2012, at 01:27, Alex Hall wrote:

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> Some weeks back a few options for braille translation/brf
> reading/embossing were discussed. Unfortunately, I didn't save the
> messages, so can anyone provide a link to the software mentioned? I
> don't have an embosser, but I'd like to test mac alternatives to DBT,
> if they exist.
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Somebody asked about resizing bootcamp partition with Voiceover

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Dear Listers,

I am aware that recently somebody was asking questions about resizing a 
bootcamp partition using Voiceover.

I have today received a response from Accessibility team at Apple to their 
questions. He or she must have clearly e-mailed Accessibility. They sent a 
response to me in error. I have of course informed them. However, if the person 
wishes to e-mail me off list, I shall forward their response to them in case 
Apple accessibility team will not resend their response. Please write to me 
very very soon as I am not comfortable to to keep this e-mail on my system. It 
is obviously meant for another.

With best wishes

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Re: how can I restore a bootcamp-partition with voiceover?

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Follow-up:  217170526

Dear Accessibility Team,

The message included with this reply should have been sent to another person. I 
had not e-mailed you with questions on this subject. However, I do happen to 
know from the "Macvisionaries" list that a member had been asking similar 
questions on the list. I can't remember his name. 

Please check your records and respond to the correct recipient. 

Best regards

Simon Cavendish
On 18 Jul 2012, at 01:15, accessibil...@apple.com wrote:

> Please include the line below in follow-up emails for this request.
> 
> Follow-up:  217170526
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> Thank you for your email. We are unable to provide technical support through 
> this email address. For support with BootCamp and Disk Utility, we ask that 
> you please contact AppleCare via the web, telephone or use the Express Lane 
> link to begin an online support session.
> 
> https://expresslane.apple.com/GetproductgroupList.do
> 
> http://www.apple.com/support/contact/phone_contacts.html
> 
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> 
> Hello,
> Since I have me new macbook air, I would like to copy my bootcamp partition 
> with windows7 from my macbook to my air.
> I have a image of my bootcamp partition from my old macbook and I would like 
> to put this beck on a new partition on my mba.
> 
> I do the following:
> I go to the image and chose open with (disk utility).
> Then, the img-file seems to be in the source-tablenon the tab control restore.
> Then, the next step I should do is to select the destination partition.
> This last step seems inaccessible at this moment for me.
> They say I have to drag the artition from the left column to the destination 
> field but, it seems I can't do this with voiceover (drag and drop seems not 
> to work :( )
> 
> So:
> Should I restore my bootcamp-partition with disc utility or a noter program?
> and, If I should use disc utility, how can I do it on a accessible way?
> 
> Thx in advance for your answer,
> 
> kind regards,
> William Windels
> 
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Re: updating flash?

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Donna,

I run Lion and in system preferences on the far right of the preferences pain, 
you have various buttons which relate to non apple products like flash. If you 
have had flash installed previously, you will find the button there. Activate 
it and you should be able to check for flash updates if they are available.

Hope this helps.

Simon
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm having some trouble with sites that use flash, and am thinking I may need 
> to update it.  I'm assuming, since this isn't an Apple product, that I would 
> not get the option to update it using software update, but wanted to confirm 
> that.  If someone could let me know, I'd appreciate it.
> Best,
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Ultralingua electronic dictionary and Mountain Lion

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Dear Listers,

Ultralingua electronic dictionary, whose developers have been committed to its 
accessibility with Voiceover, is preparing for Mountain Lion as I am being 
informed in their newsletter. Below I'm pasting a piece of the newsletter which 
actually mentions Voiceover. I'm so excited that Voiceover actually begins to 
get a mention in a standard product. It's good to see that we are not being 
ignored. I was very much involved with the developers of Ultralingua some years 
ago in order to make them aware of the then incompatibility of this rather 
exciting multilingual dictionary, and I am so glad that they are still 
including us in their thinking. Here comes the quote:
"
Keeping Up With the Mountain Lions
With Apple's upcoming release of OS X Mountain Lion, we are updating our Mac 
Software to have Mountain Lion compatibility. Version 7.3.2 for the Mac App 
Store will be available soon!

Along with Mountain Lion compatibility, this new version also includes

Minor bug fixes with VoiceOver
Button next to language drop-down menu to make switching search directions 
easier
Ability to immediately search by typing upon launch of the app

You can find this update for the Mac App Store under the updates badge when 
it’s ready.

"
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Re: Keystroke for moving between windows within same application

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As has been already said, command+accent key but on the British keyboard it is 
located immediately to the right of the left shift key, not above the tab. Not 
sure what keyboard you use. Thought it might help.
On 12 Jul 2012, at 04:17, Lisette Wesseling wrote:

> Hi folks
> Can someone please remind me what this is? I should have written it down when 
> posted earlier. I know about command tab, but there's another one somebody 
> mentioned earlier this week.
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Re-setting Vo in Safari

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As regards new OS installation, if you choose to migrate your settings from the 
previous version of your OS which you can do via the migration assistant 
application from either your time machine backup or another mac computer, then 
your Voiceover settings will be important too. If, however, you choose to do a 
clean installation which erases your hard drive, then you will have to 
configure your Voiceover again unless, of course, you copy the exported 
Voiceover settings onto a usb pen drive and import them from there. Your 
exported Voiceover settings file is like another file which you can choose to 
export to a folder or drive of your choosing.

You are right about this list: we have all learnt from each other, and I have 
certainly been generously supported through my tribulations with Voiceover and 
the mac OS when I switched from Windows.

With best wishes

Simon
On 10 Jul 2012, at 10:31, Johnny Angel! wrote:

> Hi Simon,
> 
> Good to hear from you again!
> 
> Wonderful!  I'll go and poke around there now.  Do you know if these settings 
> are reset with a new OS installation?
> 
> I can tell you that I probably won't know what I'm doing there so I hope I 
> don't mess things up any further.  Lol!!
> 
> But I must say it again that you guys on this list are the bestest!
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Johnny
> On Jul 10, 2012, at 4:37 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
> 
>> Dear Johnny,
>> 
>> Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8. Then with vo+m, go to your menu bar and 
>> move to the right to find "file". Then down arrow to open the menu. If you 
>> arrow down the options you have there, you will find a few choices for 
>> resetting various preferences of Voiceover. I've not done it myself - have 
>> had no need for it, but it seems fairly close to what you want.
>> 
>> Notice that under the same "file' menu item, you have an option to export 
>> your setup preferences into a file and save it where you wish on your hard 
>> drive so that you may import them again if something goes wrong and you want 
>> to get back to the best setup you had.
>> 
>> Navigating in Safari takes a lot of learning but you will get there.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Simon
>> On 10 Jul 2012, at 09:30, Johnny Angel! wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi again folks,
>>> 
>>> I am having such a time at navigating around web pages in Safari.  It may 
>>> be perhaps because I messed around too much with the Vo settings trying to 
>>> figure out a way that works best for me on how to get around web pages  
>>> Well I have been playing around and changing things so much over the last 
>>> year that I'm afraid that I have gotten too far away from the original 
>>> Safari/VO setup that I need help getting back to where I first got my MBP.
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to re-set my BO / Safari relationship back to when things 
>>> were brand new?  Perhaps then I will be able to better learn how to  
>>> navigate Safari more proficiently.
>>> 
>>> Hope I was at least somewhat clear in what I am asking.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for posting your always helpful suggestions and instructions.
>>> 
>>> Johnny
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not of this world,
>>> I am born of The forty-second generation
>>> A new, powerful race, never seen before.
>>> 
>>> Wish to join?
>>> 
>>> Initiation is completely FREE!
>>> 
>>> NOTE: Limited time sensitive offer.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Re-setting Vo in Safari

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Dear Johnny,

Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8. Then with vo+m, go to your menu bar and move 
to the right to find "file". Then down arrow to open the menu. If you arrow 
down the options you have there, you will find a few choices for resetting 
various preferences of Voiceover. I've not done it myself - have had no need 
for it, but it seems fairly close to what you want.

Notice that under the same "file' menu item, you have an option to export your 
setup preferences into a file and save it where you wish on your hard drive so 
that you may import them again if something goes wrong and you want to get back 
to the best setup you had.

Navigating in Safari takes a lot of learning but you will get there.

Hope this helps.

Simon
On 10 Jul 2012, at 09:30, Johnny Angel! wrote:

> Hi again folks,
> 
> I am having such a time at navigating around web pages in Safari.  It may be 
> perhaps because I messed around too much with the Vo settings trying to 
> figure out a way that works best for me on how to get around web pages  Well 
> I have been playing around and changing things so much over the last year 
> that I'm afraid that I have gotten too far away from the original Safari/VO 
> setup that I need help getting back to where I first got my MBP.
> 
> Is there a way to re-set my BO / Safari relationship back to when things were 
> brand new?  Perhaps then I will be able to better learn how to  navigate 
> Safari more proficiently.
> 
> Hope I was at least somewhat clear in what I am asking.
> 
> Thanks for posting your always helpful suggestions and instructions.
> 
> Johnny
> 
> 
> Not of this world,
> I am born of The forty-second generation
> A new, powerful race, never seen before.
> 
> Wish to join?
> 
> Initiation is completely FREE!
> 
> NOTE: Limited time sensitive offer.
> 
> Johnny "Angel" Chilelli
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Tips for Using Track Changes

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Dear Harry,

Regarding speaking the attributes of the text you are reading, press 
control+shift+v and you will find yourself in the dialogue box where yo you can 
adjust various values for Voiceover. One of them is speak text attributes. 
There are other useful functions of Voiceover you can change here fairly 
quickly while working with documents. Press escape to get out of the place. 
Have a good look.

Others will add to this no doubt. There's a work around tables in documents 
which Ann Roberson uses successfully but I have not tried it as I have so far 
had no use for it but it should work. It is not simple but for now, she has 
been able to do it. You could try and search this group's archive to find her 
posts. Or maybe she will kindly respond to your questions.

With best wishes

Simon
On 9 Jul 2012, at 01:18, Harry Hogue wrote:

> What I mean with features is being able to tell things like centered text, 
> different-colored text, tables (inserting them, etc), and I am just guessing 
> here, but I imagine that putting in a table of contents or headers and 
> footers wouldn't work too well, either.  I would love to see an in-depth 
> podcast dealing with the real nitty gritty of Pages with VO.
> 
> Harry
> 
> On Jul 8, 2012, at 5:48 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Harry,
>> 
>> As Simon said, track changes is a problem for VO users. We can see what 
>> changes have been made but not where they are. When you interact with the 
>> page, VO says "Page whatever, number of items". Anything over 3 items means 
>> there are additional items such as text boxes on that page. You can interact 
>> with each of them which is where you see the changes that have been made. So 
>> you can find which page contains changes, but not where on that page.
>> 
>> Could you explain your comment about formatting features not working that 
>> well? Most things work fine for me.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2012, at 12:15, Harry Hogue wrote:
>> 
>>> Simon,
>>> 
>>> Thanks very much.  This is a real pity, since track changes is a pretty 
>>> important feature.  Of course, I've noticed that most of the formatting 
>>> features in Pages don't really work that well, actually.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Harry
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Re: Tips for Using Track Changes

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Dear Harry,

I understand from the many expert messages that Ann has been posting on this 
list regarding iWork suite, that sadly track changes does not work with 
Voiceover. Ann is a very knowledgeable person in the matter, and had there been 
a work around, she would have found it. Maybe she will herself comment on your 
difficulty.

Best wishes

Simon
On 8 Jul 2012, at 02:10, Harry Hogue wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone have any tips for using track changes, for inserting them and 
> for, more importantly, reading the changes others have made?  This will be 
> very important for work with my future students.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Harry
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Re: Time Machine question

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I'm so very very glad. Glad to help too. I've received a tremendous amount of 
help from this group. So I'm delighted to be able to assist.

With best and warmest wishes

Simon
On 7 Jul 2012, at 18:57, Stacey Robinson wrote:

> Simon,
> Thanks so much. I've checked these things and all seems good to go.
> 
> On Jul 7, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
> 
>> Stacey,
>> 
>> As far as I can remember, there is an off and on button in the time machine 
>> preference window. Make sure to click the on button. Before you do, check 
>> that the lock to prevent further changes is not on. Yo You will find it on 
>> the right side.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hope this will help.
>> 
>> Good luck
>> 
>> Simon
>> On 7 Jul 2012, at 13:06, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> How do I tell time machine to automatically do backups?
>>> When I look in preferences, it looks like that option is turned off.
>>> How do I change this?
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Stacey and GEB dog Chesley
>>> 
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Re: Time Machine question

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Stacey,

As far as I can remember, there is an off and on button in the time machine 
preference window. Make sure to click the on button. Before you do, check that 
the lock to prevent further changes is not on. Yo You will find it on the right 
side.




Hope this will help.

Good luck

Simon
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> Hi,
> How do I tell time machine to automatically do backups?
> When I look in preferences, it looks like that option is turned off.
> How do I change this?
> Thanks for any help.
> Stacey and GEB dog Chesley
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Re: time machine

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You need to choose in time machine preferences your new disk, and the time 
machine will do the rest. Find your time machine in either system preferences 
or on your menu activated with control+f8.

Best of luck

Simon
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> Hi all,
> I will be getting a drive later today for the purposes of backing up my 
> system.
> It is a firewire drive and already formatted for my mac.
> After hooking up the drive, how 
> do I back up my system with timemachine.
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Re: what Voiceover bugs people want or are hoping will be fixed or squashed in Mountain Lion?

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I'd like to have Braille tables for some languages fixed in Mountain Lion. I've 
been writing to Accessibility about it a few times but ominously have not had a 
single response to reassure me that they are going to do so. Braille tables 
swapping on te the fly would be a good feature, very much like being able to 
switch languages. 
On 2 Jul 2012, at 19:42, Matthew Campbell wrote:

> Hi.
> As for me, I'd like to see a few things fixed. I wouldn't however, call them 
> bugs, more accessibility issues.
> I'd like to see table's in textedit and other word processors become 
> accessible to VoiceOver.
> The connect as button in the network view of finder isn't accessible while 
> using column view. I'd like to see this fixed even though it's been that way 
> since 10.5 Leopard.
> Another thing that would be nice to see fixed is the iWork suite as a whole. 
> I'd like to be able to use all 3 apps without having to jump through numerous 
> whoops, standing on my head, and counting backwards from 1000. 
> Finally, I'll add my voice to better performance from VoiceOver in Safari. 
> This "Busy, busy, busy," nonsense is really annoying! Another safari thing 
> that'd be nice to see is if VoiceOver would respond when pressing the regular 
> arrow keys by them selves. Pressing the arrows for a sighted user scrolls the 
> web page and until safari 5.1, this worked with VoiceOver rather nicely. Last 
> but not least is link menus only work randomly when one presses VO shift M 
> instead of all of the time as they should.
> 
> On 2012-07-02, at 2:33 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> besides the busy thing in Safari, I honestly can't thing of anything as far 
>> as bugs go.  I'm sure there is a couple more but, I probably run into them 
>> infrequently.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Daniel McGee  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that they would like 
>>> so and so bug to be fixed in Mountain Lion. 
>>> I would just really like to start a discussion on if there are not many 
>>> enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, then what bugs would you like 
>>> fixed and hope Apple has done there job with it. 
>>> I'll go 1st. 
>>> For me its safari. two things for me. 
>>> 1. Now and then when I go back a page with CMD left bracket Voiceover 
>>> doesn't announce my list of headings or links that I have set in VO 
>>> utility. 
>>> 2. continuing this previous page thing, because I don't always know when 
>>> the page is fully loaded when going back, I get the lovely "Voiceover 
>>> Busy!" Not! 
>>> This is using Lion V7.4 and Safari 5.1.7 
>>> 
>>> So what are yours? 
>>> 
>>> I hope this will become an interesting topic because I'm interested to see 
>>> what people can come up with and I'm sure there will be some good ones! 
>>> 
>>> So everyone, the dance floor is yours! LOL 
>>> 
>>> Daniel   
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Re: Bookmarks

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Open Safari.

Move left along the bookmark bar (provided it's showing, and if not, press 
command+shift+b) and look for the place which Voiceover reports as "show all 
bookmarks, unchecked checkbox". Check this box. 

Now in place of your usual html page, you will have two tables. The first table 
you come to is a table of your folders which are categories of bookmarks you 
have by default or which you would have created yourself. Interact with the 
table to choose the folder where your bookmark is.

Move right beyond the search field and you will come across another table which 
lists all the bookmarks in the selected folder. Arrow up and down with vo until 
you come to the bookmark you wish to delete. Press delete and the bookmark is 
gone. Stop interacting and uncheck the checkbox which reveals your bookmarks.

Hope this helps.

Simon
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> On my MBP using Lion how do I delete a bookmark?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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Re: copying files to certain folders.

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Have you tried to open the folder to which you wish to copy your file with 
command key + down arrow? You can close the folder with command + w after you 
have copied the file.
On 24 Jun 2012, at 22:25, Jakob Rosin wrote:

> hi all.
> As ive mentioned, i've been using mac only for a week so far so excuse me, if 
> this question is stupid.
> I tried to copy an audio book to my
>   digital audio book player one night and it failed. The folder I was 
> copyiing kept appearing in the root (main) folder of the memory card. I tried 
> to navigate on the folder I wanted to and expand it and interact with it but 
> nothing helped. I also tried dragging the file into that folder.
> My question is, How I can copy that file or folder in to certain folder?
> Kõike paremat soovides
> With best regards
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Re: importing vo-preffereces in osx-lion

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I think this message is meant for somebody else.

With best wishes

Simon Cavendish
On 11 Jun 2012, at 17:35, accessibil...@apple.com wrote:

> Please include the line below in follow-up emails for this request.
> 
> Follow-up:  196742241
> 
> William
> 
> You should report this to developer services.  All traffic with regard to 
> developer seeds must go to developer services.
> 
> There is no need to reply to this email.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> Hello,
> I was wondering if there is some progress about the problem described below.
> IN the last version of 10.8, build 12a178q, the problem wasn't solved...
> I have seen this because I am registered as a developer with the address: 
> william.wind...@telenet.be.
> Without a solution for this bug, I see no way to import my vo-prefs in my new 
> macbook I should buy for 10.8.
> 
> Anny comments are welcome,
> kind regards,
> William Windels
> 
> Op 29-mrt.-2012, om 20:45 heeft accessibil...@apple.com het volgende 
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>> Please include the line below in follow-up emails for this request.
>> 
>> Follow-up:  196742241
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you 
>> know that the problem you describe was recently reported to Apple, and we 
>> are currently investigating this issue. Unfortunately we cannot comment on 
>> when it may be resolved.
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Hello,
>> Since 10.7, I wasn't able to import all my preferences and specially the 
>> trackpad commander-settings.
>> As developer, it seems not possible also in the current release of 10.8
>> In attachment, you can find a voprefs-file of my adjustments> I have created 
>> specific trackpad commands with the command- and shift-keys.  
>> It should be nice if you could import this settings and see if it works?
>> If you have any commands with the shift and command key, it should be fine 
>> since since this keys doesn't have any assignments by default.
>> 
>> This settings for the trackpad commander are made in 10.6 but, should also 
>> work in 10.7?
>> 
>> Any comments or hints should be great.
>> kind regards,
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Jumping to the top and bottom of the message list (Lion & Mac mail in classic view)

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They key combinations described by Esther work for me too but you need to 
interact with the list of messages or files in the finder for the keys to take 
effect.
On 16 Apr 2012, at 02:23, Frank Ventura wrote:

> Hi all, when in a message list in mail sometimes I want to jump to the top or 
> bottom of the list. If I use FN VO Left Arrow it moves up by 25 rows. If I 
> use FN VO Right Arrow it moves down by 25 rows. Is there a means of jumping 
> through the entire list? For example if I have 65 items in a folder and at 
> row 2 how can I jump to row 65?
> thanks
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Re: Creating a list of all the headings and links on a webpage

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When on a web page, press vo+u and you will be presented with a choice of 
elements in categories. You can then use your right and left arrow keys to move 
from category to category, e.g. headings, links, visited links, form controls, 
tables, regions, etc. Once you find the category you wish, use up and down 
arrow to read the headings or links within the category and then press enter on 
the one you want. You will find yourself on the element you want to examine. If 
you don't want to make any choices, just press escape to get out of the list of 
categories. Also, remember that item chooser menu which you call up with vo+i, 
will list all the elements/objects on the page, and if you know what you are 
after, you can just start typing the first letters of the element/object and 
you will be on it. Press enter to land on it. Press escape if you don't want to 
make a choice, press backspace while in item chooser menu to start typing a new 
string if you have failed to find what you are looking for or if you change 
your mind and want to look for a different string.

Hope this helps.

Simon
On 10 Apr 2012, at 16:26, Rahul Bajaj wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Is there a way of creating a list of all the headings and links on a
> webpage with VoiceOver?
> I use this function with JAWS,  and it makes browsing webpages a lot
> easier and faster.
> So, please shed some light on this matter.
> 
> Regards,
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Re: importing vo-preffereces in osx-lion

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Please note, that this message had not originated from me and therefore should 
not have been sent to me either. This is not the first time that this has 
happened. This is a worrying trend in the way you track messages.

With best regards

Simon Cavendish
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> currently investigating this issue. Unfortunately we cannot comment on when 
> it may be resolved.
> 
> 
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> 
> Hello,
> Since 10.7, I wasn't able to import all my preferences and specially the 
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> As developer, it seems not possible also in the current release of 10.8
> In attachment, you can find a voprefs-file of my adjustments> I have created 
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> If you have any commands with the shift and command key, it should be fine 
> since since this keys doesn't have any assignments by default.
> 
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Re: anyone else noticing mail.app wierdness?

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No problem here at all.
On 24 Mar 2012, at 21:28, Sean Murphy wrote:

> The mail issue isn't isolated to Hot mail. I get it with Gmail and my ISP. 
> Mail now and then prompts for the password and refuses to send a message. 
> Very flakey program. Don't know if I should go through my passwords and 
> remove all the duplicate entries. This might be a part of the issue.
> 
> Sean 
> On 22/03/2012, at 7:02 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> I can't get chrome to work under voiceover in snow leopard. every time I 
>> try, it segfaults on me or simply doesn't tell me anything (blank scroll 
>> area). chromevox doesn't like my system either. I would upgrade to lion or 
>> mountain lion, but my gear is just old enough to cause problems with the 
>> upgrade.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 12:36 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> have your tried using the google chrome browser?  It might work a little 
>>> better on that site.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
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>>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:55 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
 oh yeah, I also get one other problem (unrelated to mail.app):
 any attempt to do anything more than simply browse the hotmail site 
 results in their non-standard javascript crashing Safari (and webkit). its 
 getting to be a real pain. Since I don't have windows (nor a spare machine 
 to put it on), I am stuck with messages in the spam folder that are not 
 spam. anyone have any clues on how to work around this?
 
 -eric
 
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> Hi,
> 
> I've been seeing this all day as well.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
>> hello all..
>> 
>> I seem to be encountering some weirdness of late with mail.app and 
>> hotmail.com. the weirdness is the fact that mail.app will work normally 
>> and then kick up a dialog box saying that hotmail.com rejected my 
>> password. since I have not changed my password in a long time and I 
>> routinely check the hotmail site junk folder from their web interface, I 
>> am at a loss as to what is actually causing this.
>> 
>> anyone here a mail.app guru?
>> 
>> -eric
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Re: Possible bug in Lion

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It's happened to me as well: I've been receiving answers to somebody else's 
questions from apple accessibility.
On 9 Mar 2012, at 00:30, John Sanfilippo wrote:

> I do not know why I am receiving this as it is not my question.
> 
> At the same time, my request that a specific braille keyboard might be 
> included as an option in future versions of iOS was never addressed.
> 
> Just letting you know.
> 
> 
> John Sanfilippo
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:43 AM, accessibil...@apple.com wrote:
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> Thank you for your email. I believe this is the normal and expected behavior. 
> 
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> Hi.
> 
> To save precious USB connections on my Mac Mini I used a usb hub to connect
> both my mouse and my PC style keyboard to my Mini.  Both the mouse and
> keyboard work fine in this configuration, the only problem is every time I
> restart the  computer  I have to remap the Windows/Alt keys to the
> Option/command layout that is more traditional because Lion seems to be
> losing these settings.
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Re: Turkish language and the Mac.

[Simon Cavendish]

Dear Nektarios,

I've done a quick research for you and below I paste a link to a web page which 
seems to give a lot of information on the Turkish alphabet. I've not gone 
through the page thoroughly but it seems that it may be what you are looking 
for. Also, if you have text input icon enabled in your menu which you activate 
with control plus f8 shortcut combination, when you down arrow the text input 
menu you come across keyboard viewer. Now first you have to choose Turkish 
keyboard, then you need to activate your keyboard viewer and then you can use 
vo+right or left arrow to go through the entire keyboard of a particular chosen 
language to identify where particular characters on the keyboard are. When you 
activate keyboard viewer you start from the escape button, which is of course 
on the extreme left hand side top row of keys. With each press of vo+right 
arrow you move to the right along the top row and once you reach the end of the 
row you will jump to the next row below on the keyboard again to the extreme 
left side and so on. To deactivate keyboard viewer, press control+f8 and 
vo+arrow to the text input menu and down arrow to keyboard viewer and this time 
it will be shown as hide keyboard viewer which you vo+space on or press enter 
key. The page address I've mentioned is below. 

All the best

Simon

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=turkish+alphabet+keyboard+layout%CF%84%CE%B8%CF%81%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%B7+&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turkishlanguage.co.uk%2Falphabet.htm&ei=btVXT9bYDoi08QPTsLDuDg&usg=AFQjCNF72BFITdckQ_5leB4iAwuJ-AbHYg
On 7 Mar 2012, at 20:17, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

> Simon, thanks for your reply. 
> I managed to have things working. However, I still need to find someone who 
> speaks and writes Turkish to tell me things like how many letters are in the 
> language and how do you input accented letters or however they are called. 
> I am on the right track though. 
> I don't know what's going on with Skype, I wasn't online today. Try again. I 
> will do the same when I see you online. 
> 
> Nektarios.
> 
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
> 
>> Nektarios,
>> 
>> First of all, you need to go to system preferences and choose "language and 
>> text" button and then the text input tab, which is the last tab. If you move 
>> to the right, you will come across a table of all available keyboards. You 
>> need to check the box in the first column, next to the Turkish keyboard. 
>> Once you have more than one keyboard enabled, unless you have done that 
>> before, it would be helpful if you enabled text input icon to appear in your 
>> menu bar so that you can always go there with control f8 and change your 
>> keyboards. There is a way of changing your keyboards by using a shortcut key 
>> but you may already know this. If not, contact me, and I shall try to help. 
>> I've just tried to speak to you on Skype, but as before, when I try to 
>> connect to you, the connection gets dropped.
>> 
>> Hope this helps. Good luck with Turkish.
>> 
>> Simon
>> On 6 Mar 2012, at 21:30, Nektarios Mallas wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello list.
>>> I am looking for some help regarding how to use the Turkish language and 
>>> voice on the mac.
>>> I downloaded the Turkish voice, but I think that I must also install the 
>>> Turkish keyboard. 
>>> I wish to start learning the language, but I want to be ready computer 
>>> wise. 
>>> 
>>> Any help is very muc appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Nektarios.
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Re: Turkish language and the Mac.

[Simon Cavendish]

Nektarios,

First of all, you need to go to system preferences and choose "language and 
text" button and then the text input tab, which is the last tab. If you move to 
the right, you will come across a table of all available keyboards. You need to 
check the box in the first column, next to the Turkish keyboard. Once you have 
more than one keyboard enabled, unless you have done that before, it would be 
helpful if you enabled text input icon to appear in your menu bar so that you 
can always go there with control f8 and change your keyboards. There is a way 
of changing your keyboards by using a shortcut key but you may already know 
this. If not, contact me, and I shall try to help. I've just tried to speak to 
you on Skype, but as before, when I try to connect to you, the connection gets 
dropped.

Hope this helps. Good luck with Turkish.

Simon
On 6 Mar 2012, at 21:30, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

> Hello list.
> I am looking for some help regarding how to use the Turkish language and 
> voice on the mac.
> I downloaded the Turkish voice, but I think that I must also install the 
> Turkish keyboard. 
> I wish to start learning the language, but I want to be ready computer wise. 
> 
> Any help is very muc appreciated. 
> 
> Nektarios.
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Re: Tables [was:] Re: numbers

[Simon Cavendish]

Yes, I agree. When I had a lot of data in Tables, I had to wait for ever. This 
is a problem in Tables. I have never discovered a way round it. 
On 24 Feb 2012, at 06:44, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Simon, I tried it and after nearly 5 minutes of hearing the message "Tables 
> busy" I gave up. But as I mentioned before: I use Sheets as a two dimensional 
> note pad and so it might be because of a lot of text in each sheet.
> Am 24.02.2012 um 07:37 schrieb Simon Cavendish:
> 
>> Jurgen, changing sheets in Tables has always worked for me by pressing 
>> command + option + right or left arrow key. The larger the sheet the longer 
>> it takes though for Tables to change to the next sheet. In the latest 
>> update, again you do not necessarily know that the sheet has been changed so 
>> you have to try and move your cursor to see weather you can start reading it.
>> On 23 Feb 2012, at 19:47, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>> 
>>> OK, that's interesting. I thought you might do it this way. So it is not 
>>> possible to change just a part of the content of a cell. You have to change 
>>> the whole content.
>>> I opened an excel file with several sheets in Tables and tried to switch 
>>> between the sheets by pressing CMD + Option + arrow right or left. It 
>>> didn't work. Tables was always busy. Do you have experiences with switching 
>>> sheets in Tables? Did it work for you?
>>> 
>>> Jürgen
>>> Am 23.02.2012 um 17:51 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:
>>> 
>>>> When I want to change the contents of a particular cell, I position the 
>>>> cursor on the data-entry field.  Then, I arrow over to the cell that I 
>>>> want to edit.  Next, I press the delete (back-space) key to delete the 
>>>> cell's contents.  Finally, I type in the new information that I wish to 
>>>> store in that cell.
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger [apple-engl...@fleger.net]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:47 AM
>>>> To: Mac Visionaries Visionaries
>>>> Subject: Tables [was:] Re: numbers
>>>> 
>>>> No Rafael, that's not what I asked for. I know how to enter data. But I 
>>>> want to change existing data in the cells.
>>>> Imagine you have an address of a friend in a cell. His telephone number 
>>>> changes and you want to change just the number. How to do this in Tables?
>>>> I don't see this important possibility accessible with VoiceOver.
>>>> Again: how to change specific data in a cell?
>>>> Not entering data in an empty cell. That's easy.
>>>> Hopefully my question is clearer now.
>>>> Jürgen
>>>> Am 22.02.2012 um 16:26 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:
>>>> 
>>>>> Tables has a data entry field.  That is where data are entered into each 
>>>>> cell.  If you cannot find the data entry field on your own, you may 
>>>>> benefit from sighted help to find it the first time.  Place your cursor 
>>>>> in the field, making sure VO is not locked.  You can then type or paste 
>>>>> in data and formulae.  If you type in the data entry field, press the 
>>>>> return (enter) key to get the data into the cell.  The arrow keys are 
>>>>> used to move between cells.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rafael
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 2:17 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Rafael,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks for your hints. So far Tables works fine.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But what I meant was how to edit a cell and change inserted content. 
>>>>>> That doesn't work here for me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As far as I could find out I have to enter the edit mode of a chosen 
>>>>>> cell by pressing F2. VO anounces "edit". But then it's not possible to 
>>>>>> read or delete single characters or to navigate through the content of a 
>>>>>> cell just by using the arrow keys. Of course I can navigate by using VO 
>>>>>> + arrow keys but. I should say that I use a sheet like a two dimensional 
>>>>>> notepad. I don't use it as a calculator and so I don't need formulas in 
>>>>>> a cell. But to take notes and so I enter a lot of text in it. So it's 
>>>>>> quite imp

Re: Tables [was:] Re: numbers

[Simon Cavendish]

Dear Jurgen,

I am afraid I had made the wretched mistake of updating Tables to its latest 
version as I moved to Lion so I do not have the Tables version where editing 
cells was easier and worked better. I too like Tables a lot. It has quite a few 
shortcut keys that seem to work like for selecting cells and it will also tell 
you if the cell you have input text is clipped by another cell to the right or 
left which may be significant. 

Maybe you could try and e-mail the Tables designer as well to let him know that 
we are having some issues. I found his e-mail on the Tables website but I can't 
find it now and I will be off to work shortly.

With best wishes

Simon
On 24 Feb 2012, at 06:41, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Hello Simon,
> 
> that workes, thanks. The only issue: VO doesn't anounce the character when 
> using the arrow keys. Is that the issue in the latest version you meant? 
> Could you send me the version you work with? 
> j.fle...@gmx.de
> Because actually it seems to be a great program. Navigating is much faster 
> then in Numbers. And there are features I miss in Numbers such as CMD + arrow 
> keys and Option + arrow keys to reach specific parts of a sheet.
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
> Am 24.02.2012 um 07:34 schrieb Simon Cavendish:
> 
>> When focused on the cell you wish to change data in, press F2 key which will 
>> put you in the editing mode. Then you should be able to use your cursor 
>> keys. Once done, press tab. In the previous version of Tables, this worked 
>> very well. The latest update has rendered this important function more 
>> difficult. I noticed it as soon as I had installed the latest version. I 
>> reported it to the developer but had no answer from him. I only hope that he 
>> is going to improve it. In the past, he was rather sympathetic to Voiceover 
>> users. I was disappointed with this negative change as Tables worked for me 
>> far better than Numbers.
>> 
>> Sorry I have no better news. 
>> On 23 Feb 2012, at 06:47, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>> 
>>> No Rafael, that's not what I asked for. I know how to enter data. But I 
>>> want to change existing data in the cells. 
>>> Imagine you have an address of a friend in a cell. His telephone number 
>>> changes and you want to change just the number. How to do this in Tables?
>>> I don't see this important possibility accessible with VoiceOver.
>>> Again: how to change specific data in a cell? 
>>> Not entering data in an empty cell. That's easy.
>>> Hopefully my question is clearer now.
>>> Jürgen
>>> Am 22.02.2012 um 16:26 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:
>>> 
>>>> Tables has a data entry field.  That is where data are entered into each 
>>>> cell.  If you cannot find the data entry field on your own, you may 
>>>> benefit from sighted help to find it the first time.  Place your cursor in 
>>>> the field, making sure VO is not locked.  You can then type or paste in 
>>>> data and formulae.  If you type in the data entry field, press the return 
>>>> (enter) key to get the data into the cell.  The arrow keys are used to 
>>>> move between cells.
>>>> 
>>>> Rafael
>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 2:17 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Rafael,
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks for your hints. So far Tables works fine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But what I meant was how to edit a cell and change inserted content. That 
>>>>> doesn't work here for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As far as I could find out I have to enter the edit mode of a chosen cell 
>>>>> by pressing F2. VO anounces "edit". But then it's not possible to read or 
>>>>> delete single characters or to navigate through the content of a cell 
>>>>> just by using the arrow keys. Of course I can navigate by using VO + 
>>>>> arrow keys but. I should say that I use a sheet like a two dimensional 
>>>>> notepad. I don't use it as a calculator and so I don't need formulas in a 
>>>>> cell. But to take notes and so I enter a lot of text in it. So it's quite 
>>>>> important for me to delete parts of the text and enter new content.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So: How do you delete parts of text in a cell and how to enter just one 
>>>>> word in a text of a cell? Deleting a whole cell is easily possible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks and all the best
>>>>> Jürgen
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>&

Re: Tables [was:] Re: numbers

[Simon Cavendish]

Jurgen, changing sheets in Tables has always worked for me by pressing command 
+ option + right or left arrow key. The larger the sheet the longer it takes 
though for Tables to change to the next sheet. In the latest update, again you 
do not necessarily know that the sheet has been changed so you have to try and 
move your cursor to see weather you can start reading it.
On 23 Feb 2012, at 19:47, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> OK, that's interesting. I thought you might do it this way. So it is not 
> possible to change just a part of the content of a cell. You have to change 
> the whole content.
> I opened an excel file with several sheets in Tables and tried to switch 
> between the sheets by pressing CMD + Option + arrow right or left. It didn't 
> work. Tables was always busy. Do you have experiences with switching sheets 
> in Tables? Did it work for you?
> 
> Jürgen
> Am 23.02.2012 um 17:51 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:
> 
>> When I want to change the contents of a particular cell, I position the 
>> cursor on the data-entry field.  Then, I arrow over to the cell that I want 
>> to edit.  Next, I press the delete (back-space) key to delete the cell's 
>> contents.  Finally, I type in the new information that I wish to store in 
>> that cell.
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger [apple-engl...@fleger.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:47 AM
>> To: Mac Visionaries Visionaries
>> Subject: Tables [was:] Re: numbers
>> 
>> No Rafael, that's not what I asked for. I know how to enter data. But I want 
>> to change existing data in the cells.
>> Imagine you have an address of a friend in a cell. His telephone number 
>> changes and you want to change just the number. How to do this in Tables?
>> I don't see this important possibility accessible with VoiceOver.
>> Again: how to change specific data in a cell?
>> Not entering data in an empty cell. That's easy.
>> Hopefully my question is clearer now.
>> Jürgen
>> Am 22.02.2012 um 16:26 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:
>> 
>>> Tables has a data entry field.  That is where data are entered into each 
>>> cell.  If you cannot find the data entry field on your own, you may benefit 
>>> from sighted help to find it the first time.  Place your cursor in the 
>>> field, making sure VO is not locked.  You can then type or paste in data 
>>> and formulae.  If you type in the data entry field, press the return 
>>> (enter) key to get the data into the cell.  The arrow keys are used to move 
>>> between cells.
>>> 
>>> Rafael
>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 2:17 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Rafael,
 
 thanks for your hints. So far Tables works fine.
 
 But what I meant was how to edit a cell and change inserted content. That 
 doesn't work here for me.
 
 As far as I could find out I have to enter the edit mode of a chosen cell 
 by pressing F2. VO anounces "edit". But then it's not possible to read or 
 delete single characters or to navigate through the content of a cell just 
 by using the arrow keys. Of course I can navigate by using VO + arrow keys 
 but. I should say that I use a sheet like a two dimensional notepad. I 
 don't use it as a calculator and so I don't need formulas in a cell. But 
 to take notes and so I enter a lot of text in it. So it's quite important 
 for me to delete parts of the text and enter new content.
 
 So: How do you delete parts of text in a cell and how to enter just one 
 word in a text of a cell? Deleting a whole cell is easily possible.
 
 Thanks and all the best
 Jürgen
 
 
 Am 22.02.2012 um 05:45 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:
 
> If you are using an Intel-based Mac, then the first thing to do when you 
> open the Tables application is to get the cursor out of the table.  Press 
> Shift, Control, Option, up-arrow together, in order to get out of the 
> table where the cursor is pointing.  Press this key combination again to 
> get out of the spreadsheet.  Do these things first, or the following 
> instructions won't make sense.
> 
> Basically, there are two ways to read a cell's contents in Tables.  The 
> first way is to place the cursor over the field in which one enters 
> numbers, formulae, and so on.  If you choose this option, make sure VO is 
> not locked, so that you can use the arrow keys to move from cell to cell 
> (i.e., left arrow to move to the left, bottom arrow to move down, etc.).  
> This is a simple option that allows you to navigate from cell to cell, to 
> read each cell's contents, and to enter data into individual cells, all 
> from the data-entry field.
> 
> The second way to move around in Tables is somewhat more complicated.  To 
> make things easier, first lock VO (by pressing control-option-semicolon). 
>  Next, enter th

Re: Tables [was:] Re: numbers

[Simon Cavendish]

When focused on the cell you wish to change data in, press F2 key which will 
put you in the editing mode. Then you should be able to use your cursor keys. 
Once done, press tab. In the previous version of Tables, this worked very well. 
The latest update has rendered this important function more difficult. I 
noticed it as soon as I had installed the latest version. I reported it to the 
developer but had no answer from him. I only hope that he is going to improve 
it. In the past, he was rather sympathetic to Voiceover users. I was 
disappointed with this negative change as Tables worked for me far better than 
Numbers.

Sorry I have no better news. 
On 23 Feb 2012, at 06:47, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> No Rafael, that's not what I asked for. I know how to enter data. But I want 
> to change existing data in the cells. 
> Imagine you have an address of a friend in a cell. His telephone number 
> changes and you want to change just the number. How to do this in Tables?
> I don't see this important possibility accessible with VoiceOver.
> Again: how to change specific data in a cell? 
> Not entering data in an empty cell. That's easy.
> Hopefully my question is clearer now.
> Jürgen
> Am 22.02.2012 um 16:26 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:
> 
>> Tables has a data entry field.  That is where data are entered into each 
>> cell.  If you cannot find the data entry field on your own, you may benefit 
>> from sighted help to find it the first time.  Place your cursor in the 
>> field, making sure VO is not locked.  You can then type or paste in data and 
>> formulae.  If you type in the data entry field, press the return (enter) key 
>> to get the data into the cell.  The arrow keys are used to move between 
>> cells.
>> 
>> Rafael
>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 2:17 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Rafael,
>>> 
>>> thanks for your hints. So far Tables works fine.
>>> 
>>> But what I meant was how to edit a cell and change inserted content. That 
>>> doesn't work here for me.
>>> 
>>> As far as I could find out I have to enter the edit mode of a chosen cell 
>>> by pressing F2. VO anounces "edit". But then it's not possible to read or 
>>> delete single characters or to navigate through the content of a cell just 
>>> by using the arrow keys. Of course I can navigate by using VO + arrow keys 
>>> but. I should say that I use a sheet like a two dimensional notepad. I 
>>> don't use it as a calculator and so I don't need formulas in a cell. But to 
>>> take notes and so I enter a lot of text in it. So it's quite important for 
>>> me to delete parts of the text and enter new content.
>>> 
>>> So: How do you delete parts of text in a cell and how to enter just one 
>>> word in a text of a cell? Deleting a whole cell is easily possible.
>>> 
>>> Thanks and all the best
>>> Jürgen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 22.02.2012 um 05:45 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:
>>> 
 If you are using an Intel-based Mac, then the first thing to do when you 
 open the Tables application is to get the cursor out of the table.  Press 
 Shift, Control, Option, up-arrow together, in order to get out of the 
 table where the cursor is pointing.  Press this key combination again to 
 get out of the spreadsheet.  Do these things first, or the following 
 instructions won't make sense.
 
 Basically, there are two ways to read a cell's contents in Tables.  The 
 first way is to place the cursor over the field in which one enters 
 numbers, formulae, and so on.  If you choose this option, make sure VO is 
 not locked, so that you can use the arrow keys to move from cell to cell 
 (i.e., left arrow to move to the left, bottom arrow to move down, etc.).  
 This is a simple option that allows you to navigate from cell to cell, to 
 read each cell's contents, and to enter data into individual cells, all 
 from the data-entry field.  
 
 The second way to move around in Tables is somewhat more complicated.  To 
 make things easier, first lock VO (by pressing control-option-semicolon).  
 Next, enter the spreadsheet, by pressing shift and the down-arrow key 
 together.  At this level, you will be able to move the VO cursor with the 
 arrow keys and read the letters designating the columns (i.e., Column A, 
 Column B, etc.), as well as the row numbers (i.e., Row 1, Row 2, etc.).  
 To access the individual cells, navigate to the table (VO says "table when 
 you've found it).  With VO still locked, press the shift and down-arrow 
 keys together again.  That will put you in the table of cells, from which 
 point onward you can just use the arrow keys to navigate from cell to cell.
 
 I hope this helps.  Let me know if you have any other questions, and I'll 
 do my best to try to answer them.
 
 Cordially,
 Rafael
 
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 Behalf Of 

Re: Anyone Using Google Chrome with VO?

[Simon Cavendish]

Yes, I love Google Chrome and have been using it regularly for a couple of 
months. Very fast, no busy - ready reports. Only on some websites it does not 
always report all the labels at which point I switch to Safari. 

Simon
On 7 Feb 2012, at 06:39, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Hi, all,
> 
> Upon a cursory look at vO with Google chrome, I notice no major accessibility 
> booboos. Does anyone else use VO successfully with this app? I'm finding that 
> I don't really care to use a separate voicing app for one particular web 
> browser, because I have to turn off VO, and turn it back on when switching 
> windows, and also, the two text-to-speech chrome extensions, Chromevox and 
> MetalMouth, do not work in parts of the browser other than the page content.
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
> 
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Re: Selecting text in Safari

[Simon Cavendish]

Bill, I interact with the text on a web page, press vo+enter and then start 
selecting using vo + arrow keys. When I've selected what I wish, I press 
vo+enter again and then command+c to copy to clipboard. While you are selecting 
the text with vo+arrow keys, you should hear the swishing sound. Hope this will 
help. Don't despair. Mac is good.
On 16 Jan 2012, at 21:24, Bill Holton wrote:

> Looks like this makes the Mac almost a no go for my work.  I spend a lot of 
> time grabbing addresses and other contact info online and copying it into 
> documents.
> I am in DOM mode.  If I interact with the text the VO Enter works, but all it 
> will copy is the current element, word, link, etc.  If I try to press VO 
> Enter anywhere else I get a beep and nothing. 
> Copying the entire page and editing would be about 5 times more work than I 
> can accomplish the same tasks with Windows.  There really should be a way to 
> grab a few lines, elements, etc. from a web page and copy just them. 
> I actually thought that’s what VO enter was for, but apparently it won’t help 
> me at all.
> Maybe there is something else I am missing?
> Bill
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Selecting text in Safari
>  
> Hello Bill,
>  
> This all seems to depend on the website. Selecting would appear to work 
> better in DOM mode than in Groups.
>  
> If Shift-Cmd-Right arrow doesn't highlight a chunk of text for you, remember 
> that VO-Shift-c will copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard.
>  
> Also, you may find you need to interact with the text to be able to highlight 
> it.
>  
> Failing that, Cmd-a will highlight the whole page, which you can then copy 
> into a TextEdit document and edit from there.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Anne
>  
>  
> On 16 Jan 2012, at 20:17, Bill Holton wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi.
> As I understand it, there are a few ways to select text in Safari.  To get a 
> letter, word or line you hold down the shift key and then press arrow for 
> character, option arrow for word and command arrow for the rest of the line.
> To select a larger selection, you press VO enter and then move to the end of 
> your selection and press VO Enter again.
>  
> My problem is, neither of these seem to be working.  I have cursor tracking 
> turned on and I have tried both with quick Nav turned on and off.  I’m sure 
> the problem is between my chair and keyboard, but not sure what to do 
> different.  Any suggestions appreciated.
> Bill
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Re: NewsStand

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No, this is also my experience. Disappointing.
On 13 Jan 2012, at 21:56, Chris Blouch wrote:

> So I went to try this out on the iPad today and wasn't able to get very far. 
> Seemed like most of the ones I tried were unreadable with voiceover. Does 
> anyone know of a particular subscription that works well? I gave up after 
> trying eight different ones.
> 
> CB
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Re: creating appointments using ICal.

[Simon Cavendish]

Under view options in the menu bar you probably need to choose how you wish to 
view your calendar: by day or week or month.
On 10 Jan 2012, at 14:14, Jessica wrote:

> I've just started trying to figure out how to create an event using ICal, but 
> when I try to use the left and right arrows to scroll through the days of the 
> week, instead of showing them in their correct order, it wants to jump ahead 
> a week.  Am I doing something wrong?
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Re: Pages

[Simon Cavendish]

Under Windows, it used to be called "track changes". 
On 8 Jan 2012, at 07:34, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Hi Folkes,
> 
> in Pages there is an option what allows to show changes in a document by 
> others. For a discription I need the correct term of that option in an 
> english Pages. When I translate literaly from my german Pages it should be 
> called as "protocol of changes" or "change protocol" or similar.
> 
> Could you pleas provide me with the correct term? It's in the edit menue.
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Recording a few minutes' long video on the mac

[Simon Cavendish]

Hello Listers,

I'd like to record a short audiovisual message for a friend of mine so that 
they can both hear me and see me. Can I accomplish it on my macbook air/ Has 
anyone done that before? A few minutes would do. I'd appreciate some brief 
instructions. What application would I have to use to do this?

Many thanks, Simon

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Re: bouncing incoming messages under Lion?

[Simon Cavendish]

I just realised myself that it was missing under Lion. what a pity! I have not 
found an alternative way of bouncing messages.
On 12 Dec 2011, at 08:12, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Say,
> 
> I remembear that, under SL, there was a way to manually bounce a message you 
> didn't want using mail in such a way that the sender would get back an 
> indication that your e-mail address was invalid.  this appears to have gone 
> under Lion; but, would like to know if anybody else used it as I once did.  
> If it's stil there, where is it?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
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Re: how can I rename files in finder without having to go through get info?

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I'm not sure whether my method is going to be too slow for you but in Finder, I 
hit enter on the name of the file, which allows me to edit its name. Once you 
hit enter on the name of a file, be careful because the name is highlighted so 
if you start typing immediately, you will delete the existing name in its 
entirety. If you move any of the cursor keys the highlight is gone and you can 
use the usual key combinations for moving in a text field, i.e. by letter, word 
to the beginning or end of line. Once you have edited the file name, hit enter 
key again and you are done. If you change your mind and wish to leave the name 
of a file as it is, just press escape.

Hope this helps.


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> the subject says it all.
> I am trying to rename a bunch of files that underscores in the filenames. I 
> have a lot of filenames with underscores in the names. so far, about the only 
> reliable method I have found to rename files is the get info pane. there is a 
> second (though less reliable) method using terminal commands (such as mv)  
> but there too many filenames with the first 5 characters being the same.
> 
> anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> -eric
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Re: changing the language spelling

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I use a Greek keyboard and it works fine so does the Welsh keyboard. I'm not 
sure about the Chinese. But if you go into the table of available keyboards, 
under system preferences and look to the left of the keyboard name column, some 
checkboxes report as dimmed. I assume that these keyboards are not 
automatically installed with os Lion and maybe you have to install them from 
extras. I'm sorry if I can't be of more help. 
On 7 Dec 2011, at 15:52, Rachel Magario wrote:

> Thanks! Do you happen to know if Chinese and non-English characters keyboards 
> work well? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 7, 2011, at 5:13 AM, Simon Cavendish  
> wrote:
> 
>> You can indeed change your keyboard language on the fly. First, however, you 
>> need to choose the keyboards that you wish to have available via system 
>> preferences/language and text. Once you find language and text button in 
>> system preferences, activate it and you will have four tabs there. Select 
>> the last one. Move to the right and you will encounter a table of all 
>> available language inputs. Interact with the table, and check the checkboxes 
>> for the languages you wish to have. These language keyboards should then 
>> appear in your text input menu in your menu bar, activated with control f8 
>> shortcut key.
>> 
>> You can change your keyboard layouts via this menu but you could also 
>> activate the shortcut key for this under system preferences. The trouble is 
>> that the shortcut key for changing your text input clashes with the shortcut 
>> keys for activating spotlight search. However, since you can activate 
>> spotlight by pressing vo+m 3 times in succession, I have decided to 
>> deactivate the spotlight search shortcut keys, command+spacebar for previous 
>> input source, and command+shift+spacebar for next input source. 
>> 
>> To do this, return to your language and text options under system 
>> preferences, and there you will find a button 'keyboard shortcuts". Activate 
>> it. There you will find two tables. The first one enables you to choose 
>> shortcut keys for spotlight. Vo+down arrow in the table until you hear 
>> spotlight. Then stop interacting with the table and move to the next table 
>> where, after interacting with it, you can uncheck the boxes for the 
>> spotlight searches. 
>> 
>> Then go back to the previous table of shortcut categories and this time vo 
>> arrow down to keyboard text input or something like that. Stop interacting 
>> and move to the right to interact with the table of available shortcuts. 
>> Check the boxes referring to previous and next input keyboard, and double 
>> check the key sequences by moving to the right hand side column where you 
>> will hear the command+spacebar and command option spacebar for the next 
>> input source. Then you are done.
>> 
>> Now each time you press these keyboard shortcuts, voiceover will announce 
>> "new keyboard layout so and so". Note that the previous keyboard layout 
>> shortcut command+space, moves you between the two recently used keyboards. 
>> So if you have 3, for instance, British, German and French, but recently, 
>> you used French, it will give you French layout. While in French, if you 
>> press the same command again, it will take you back to your British layout. 
>> If you do it again, it will give you French again. If you want German, you 
>> will have to use the next keyboard shortcut command option spacebar to hear 
>> your keyboard as you file past them.
>> 
>> Occasionally, Voiceover stopped announcing new keyboard layout for some 
>> unknown reason and I had to restart my computer but that doesn't happen 
>> often and I use these shortcut keys all the time. As for spellchecking in 
>> other languages, I have never tried it. I didn't think it was possible.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Simon
>> On 7 Dec 2011, at 00:50, Rachel Magario wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Anne. Idid that, but it does not seem to work!
>>> Do you change your keyboard layout when you start writing in a different 
>>> language? Cause I usually just leave it on my us english keyboard.
>>> I don't know how to change the key board lay out in the fly on the macbook 
>>> only on the iPhone and have not gone explore to investigate how.
>>> Thanks again!
>>> Rachel.
>>> On Dec 6, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello Rachel,
>>>> 
>>>> For me, the Mac detects the language without me having to do a

Re: Mac spreadsheet apps - was Re: Mac App Store 1 Day $0.99 App "Bundle" deals

[Simon Cavendish]

I have also used Tables successfully. It is not a free programme but works 
better for me than numbers. You should find it by googling Tables for mac. You 
can try it for a few days free. Admittedly I use Tables for simple things.
On 5 Dec 2011, at 15:54, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Numbers from Apple and variations of the free Open Office are the two most 
> common ones.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 12/4/11 12:35 AM, rdlaw wrote:
>> what type of spreadsheet program is available for the mac?
>> - Original Message - From: "Esther" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:55 PM
>> Subject: Mac App Store 1 Day $0.99 App "Bundle" deals
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I'm posting the link to "The First Mac App Store Bundle":
>>> http://zeroninetynine.com/
>>> 
>>> This lists 11 apps that normally go for prices up to $19.99 that are on 
>>> sale today, only, for $0.99.  This isn't really a "bundle", in that any of 
>>> these apps can be individually purchased for $0.99.  Some of these seem to 
>>> be for graphics, so may not be accessible.
>>> 
>>> The apps that are included in this one-day 99¢ sale are MacPaw‘s Ensoul and 
>>> Hider, Coppertino‘s Focus, and Apparent Software‘s Blast Utility. Other 
>>> apps included are Alarm Pro, Inpaint, Compartments, iResizer, Virus Barrier 
>>> Plus, Washing Machine and Intego Backup Express.
>>> 
>>> There's about 14 hours left to check it out.
>>> 
>>> HTH. Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>> 
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Re: changing the language spelling

[Simon Cavendish]

You can indeed change your keyboard language on the fly. First, however, you 
need to choose the keyboards that you wish to have available via system 
preferences/language and text. Once you find language and text button in system 
preferences, activate it and you will have four tabs there. Select the last 
one. Move to the right and you will encounter a table of all available language 
inputs. Interact with the table, and check the checkboxes for the languages you 
wish to have. These language keyboards should then appear in your text input 
menu in your menu bar, activated with control f8 shortcut key.

You can change your keyboard layouts via this menu but you could also activate 
the shortcut key for this under system preferences. The trouble is that the 
shortcut key for changing your text input clashes with the shortcut keys for 
activating spotlight search. However, since you can activate spotlight by 
pressing vo+m 3 times in succession, I have decided to deactivate the spotlight 
search shortcut keys, command+spacebar for previous input source, and 
command+shift+spacebar for next input source. 

To do this, return to your language and text options under system preferences, 
and there you will find a button 'keyboard shortcuts". Activate it. There you 
will find two tables. The first one enables you to choose shortcut keys for 
spotlight. Vo+down arrow in the table until you hear spotlight. Then stop 
interacting with the table and move to the next table where, after interacting 
with it, you can uncheck the boxes for the spotlight searches. 

Then go back to the previous table of shortcut categories and this time vo 
arrow down to keyboard text input or something like that. Stop interacting and 
move to the right to interact with the table of available shortcuts. Check the 
boxes referring to previous and next input keyboard, and double check the key 
sequences by moving to the right hand side column where you will hear the 
command+spacebar and command option spacebar for the next input source. Then 
you are done.

Now each time you press these keyboard shortcuts, voiceover will announce "new 
keyboard layout so and so". Note that the previous keyboard layout shortcut 
command+space, moves you between the two recently used keyboards. So if you 
have 3, for instance, British, German and French, but recently, you used 
French, it will give you French layout. While in French, if you press the same 
command again, it will take you back to your British layout. If you do it 
again, it will give you French again. If you want German, you will have to use 
the next keyboard shortcut command option spacebar to hear your keyboard as you 
file past them.

Occasionally, Voiceover stopped announcing new keyboard layout for some unknown 
reason and I had to restart my computer but that doesn't happen often and I use 
these shortcut keys all the time. As for spellchecking in other languages, I 
have never tried it. I didn't think it was possible.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes

Simon
On 7 Dec 2011, at 00:50, Rachel Magario wrote:

> Thanks Anne. Idid that, but it does not seem to work!
> Do you change your keyboard layout when you start writing in a different 
> language? Cause I usually just leave it on my us english keyboard.
> I don't know how to change the key board lay out in the fly on the macbook 
> only on the iPhone and have not gone explore to investigate how.
> Thanks again!
> Rachel.
> On Dec 6, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Rachel,
>> 
>> For me, the Mac detects the language without me having to do anything. In 
>> System Preferences, in the Language&Text pane, under Text, I have it set to 
>> Automatic by language.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 Dec 2011, at 05:24, Rachel Magario wrote:
>> 
>>> This question is for Anne, but anyone who might know the answer, please!
>>> How do I do automatic spell check for a different languages. Sometimes when 
>>> I am in mail I need to answer email in different languages, but it keeps 
>>> spell checking in english. Help lease.
>>> Rachel.
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Re: Browsing with Safari has become extremely difficult

[Simon Cavendish]

Try lightening for mac. It's a much slimmer application, and once you work out 
how to use it, it performs better than Safari. I tend to use it more and more. 
It gives me less of a "busy" problem that frustrates me so much in Safari.
On 30 Nov 2011, at 18:50, Christina wrote:

> I am still using SL and I am using the most current version of Safari.  Why 
> am I having so much difficulty navigating around pages.  There are just so 
> many odd to issues and I'm frustrated that I cannot efficiently browse the 
> web or use FB mobile with it taking forever or just not being able to shop 
> around online.
> 
> Either I can't hear what I am typing in a text box/edit field, or I am 
> bounced back to the beginning of the page constantly.  I also constantly get 
> the busy busy busy message.  There are also other quirks like just being 
> bounced around to various spots on a page or simply not being able to 
> arrow/navigate to a specific portion of a web page.
> 
> Is everyone else having these quirky issues?  Is there anything I can do to 
> fix it?  Will upgrading to lion solve the issues?  I'm totally frustrated.  
> I've also seen some mention of using chrome but I know nothing about that.  
> Is that a fix?
> 
> Thanks so much,
> Christina C
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Re: lightning browser

[Simon Cavendish]

I've been using Lightening for a long time. You always have to move to the html 
content to interact with it and then you can read it as normal. On my macbook 
air, I use the shortcut function +vo keys + right arrow to take me to the 
rightmost object on the page which is usually html. I then interact with it and 
all is well. Lightening is pretty fast and doesn't have as many "busy" issues 
as safari.
On 21 Nov 2011, at 00:26, Stuart Russell wrote:

> Has anyone tried the Lightning Browser?
> When I load a page, I seed the page header, but I haven't yet figured how to 
> read the page content.
> 
> Stuart
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Re: embossing Braille from a Mac, Possible or impossible?

[Simon Cavendish]

I used to use an old Everest printer (from the year 2000), and it worked fine 
to a point. Whatever embosser you choose, and I can't recommend any, had better 
have a usb connection. 

I do not think Duxbury is compatible with Mac computers. I used to use Louis - 
an open source piece of software produced by A member of this list. I think a 
search in Google should take you to the page from which you can download it. 
(Louis is free.) Louis was okay for me simple tasks, and it seems to work with 
many languages. Louis also comes with and emboss programme called emboss.app 
which you will need to emboss your files previously translated into Braille by 
Louis. 

There is a mac programme from IndexBraille for braille translations but I'm not 
sure whether it would work with Voiceover. You could ask IndexBraille as well 
as for the list of compatible embossers with Indexbraille translation software.

I hope that someone on the list can also add to my remarks. I think Anouk does 
or used to use Braille but I'm not sure whether he is following this 
conversation.

Hope this is somewhat helpful.

Best wishes

Simon
On 8 Nov 2011, at 20:33, Rick Boggs wrote:

> Has anybody successfully used a Braille embosser with Snow Leopard on either 
> a Macbook or a G5 tower?
> If so, which one?
> If multiple times, which is easiest to use?
> 
> I assume Ducksbury is required, right?
> 
> rick 
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Re: Question About Frames

[Simon Cavendish]

Hello,

I've just been to a page where there are some frames, and when I press 
vo+shift+m, I get a choice to open it in a new window as you said. At the same 
time, on that page, there is another frame that contains an advert, and the 
same command does not give me the choice. I can only suggest the old method to 
select and copy text in Safari by doing the following:
1. Interact with the frame with vo+shift+down arrow. Then interact with the 
text within the frame in the same way. 
2. Execute the command to select text by pressing vo+return. 
3. Start selecting text using vo+arrow keys. 
4. Once you have selected what you wanted, press again vo+return to stop 
selecting. 
5. Now press command+c to copy the text you've selected and paste it into 
TextEdit new document window.
If that won't work, maybe more experienced group members could help.

Best luck

Simon
. 
On 7 Nov 2011, at 17:28, ezzie bueno wrote:

> Hi folks! I am trying to open a frame in a new window, like I use to in the 
> past, so that I can select the text in it and paste it in a document.  
> However, when I press VO Shift M, I no longer see the "Open Frame In New 
> Window" either.  I'm also not seeing the "Open Frame In New Tab" item.  I've 
> already looked in the menu bar, but cannot find it.  What can be going wrong 
> here? Am I missing something?
> Please reply ASAP, as this is homework that I need to do.
> 
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Re: Help with touch pad command

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Hello,

I've just tried this command and it works. I have tried it while reading a 
message in Mail. For this command to work while the message is open, I had to 
interact with the text body of the message. The only thing is, that choosing 
between line sentence reading mode, VoiceOver reads in the same fashion, i.e. 
by line. It doesn't read by sentence when sentence mode is chosen. Might it be 
a bug? Can anyone reproduce it?

Simon
On 3 Nov 2011, at 01:01, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> This is in the docs, but I have never been able to get it to work.  Anyone 
> else have any luck or guesses why it’s not working for me.  I am using a 
> magic trackpad, don’t think that should make a difference…
>  
> To read a word, line, sentence, or paragraph at a time, press the Command key 
> while
> touching a finger on the trackpad; repeat until you hear the setting you want 
> to
> use.
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Re: key echo rate?

[Simon Cavendish]

Do you mean by "key echo" that you want to hear or not as the case may be each 
key as you type? I think You should be able to set it in VoiceOver utility 
activated by vo+f8. In VoiceOver utility choose verbosity and then text tab and 
you can set your key echo to what you wish.

hope this helps.

Best wishes

Simon
On 30 Oct 2011, at 18:15, Johnny Angel! wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> Maybe you can help me out a little more.  I went to where you have pointed, 
> but I am only able to find key repetition.  Where is Key echo?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Johnny
> On Oct 30, 2011, at 5:41 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> System Preferences in keyboard.
>> On Oct 30, 2011, at 1:20 AM, Johnny Angel! wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> Would someone please tell me where I can control the rate of key typing 
>>> echo?
>>> 
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Re: Did Lion update break my mail behavior?

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As I have learnt today, Cocktail is a Mac application that does all sorts of 
maintenance activities. It is not free, it costs $19 It can be found at 
www.maintain.se

Best wishes

Simon.
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> Hi,
> 
> What is cocktail and where do I find it in lion?
> On Oct 30, 2011, at 5:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> You may want to run a permissions repair, which can be accessed via Disk 
>> Utility. I had a similar problem and I actually ran Cocktail, which does a 
>> number of maintenance tasks and this did correct the problem. 
>> On Oct 30, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Johnny Angel! wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Been away from the list for a bit and trying to catch up on my mail.  I 
>>> haven't seen anything thus far on the list about the Lion update I got when 
>>> I checked my software updates.  It was a 47 minute, 900 meg update that 
>>> kept me up past my beauty sleep start time.   Then, after getting 
>>> back into mail today, I am unhappy to see that my mail messages behavior is 
>>> changed.  Before the update, and since I installed Lion, When I opened a 
>>> message, VO would automatically start reading the message for me.  No 
>>> longer.  After Lion says the word group, which I never heard it say before 
>>> after opening up a message, VO goes silent and I am left at the top of the 
>>> body of the email message.  Has anyone else downloaded the Lion update?  
>>> Does everything still work as expected like before the update?  Now I know 
>>> that some of you power users out there are scratching your eggheads, 
>>> shaking them and saying: Johnny me lad, this is no biggy.  But please 
>>> understand that the only power this four month old baby MacBook Pro user 
>>> demonstrates is pushin the old power button to turn Mac on!
>>> Anyway, I would like to get things back to my expected normalness.  Now, I 
>>> had originally set up Lion mail to be in simple, non thread mode where, 
>>> status, number, sender, subject and date sent were the only things I would 
>>> hear when left and right VO arrowing on a closed message.  This seems to be 
>>> the same.
>>> Oh and another funny thing too:
>>> It seems that at least once in a while, two finger swiping down on the 
>>> trackpad hadn't work either.  I saw a couple of messages on repair 
>>> permissions, so I took the wise advice and did just that.  But after 
>>> getting back into mail, nothing was changed.
>>> Well I said all that to ask two questions:
>>> 1. How can I tell what mode my Lion mail program is in?
>>> 2. Any other ideas on what may have happened to my nice mail reading 
>>> capabilities and how I may go about fixing it?
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Re: Did Lion update break my mail behavior?

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Johnny,

My mail behaves occasionally in the manner you have described, i.e. Voiceover 
won't read the message: it's stuck at the beginning of the message and doesn't 
say anything. But it doesn't happen every time. I've repaired permissions 
several times. I don't know - and perhaps Scott could chime in if he has the 
time - there is another application that might clear things up a little. Scott 
mentions Cocktail but I'm afraid I haven't got a clue what it is. I will do 
some search for it in Google. I, too, would like to avoid the strange behaviour 
in reading messages that you have described.

Best wishes

Simon
On 30 Oct 2011, at 09:39, Scott Howell wrote:

> You may want to run a permissions repair, which can be accessed via Disk 
> Utility. I had a similar problem and I actually ran Cocktail, which does a 
> number of maintenance tasks and this did correct the problem. 
> On Oct 30, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Johnny Angel! wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Been away from the list for a bit and trying to catch up on my mail.  I 
>> haven't seen anything thus far on the list about the Lion update I got when 
>> I checked my software updates.  It was a 47 minute, 900 meg update that kept 
>> me up past my beauty sleep start time.   Then, after getting back into 
>> mail today, I am unhappy to see that my mail messages behavior is changed.  
>> Before the update, and since I installed Lion, When I opened a message, VO 
>> would automatically start reading the message for me.  No longer.  After 
>> Lion says the word group, which I never heard it say before after opening up 
>> a message, VO goes silent and I am left at the top of the body of the email 
>> message.  Has anyone else downloaded the Lion update?  Does everything still 
>> work as expected like before the update?  Now I know that some of you power 
>> users out there are scratching your eggheads, shaking them and saying: 
>> Johnny me lad, this is no biggy.  But please understand that the only power 
>> this four month old baby MacBook Pro user demonstrates is pushin the old 
>> power button to turn Mac on!Anyway, I would like to get things 
>> back to my expected normalness.  Now, I had originally set up Lion mail to 
>> be in simple, non thread mode where, status, number, sender, subject and 
>> date sent were the only things I would hear when left and right VO arrowing 
>> on a closed message.  This seems to be the same.
>> Oh and another funny thing too:
>> It seems that at least once in a while, two finger swiping down on the 
>> trackpad hadn't work either.  I saw a couple of messages on repair 
>> permissions, so I took the wise advice and did just that.  But after getting 
>> back into mail, nothing was changed.
>> Well I said all that to ask two questions:
>> 1. How can I tell what mode my Lion mail program is in?
>> 2. Any other ideas on what may have happened to my nice mail reading 
>> capabilities and how I may go about fixing it?
>> Incidentally, quick nav is off like usual.
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Re: repair permission

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Joseph,

Permissions are repaired automatically without you having to do anything at 
all. While permissions are being repaired, if you vo+arrow round the area, you 
will result table. When you interact with it, you can see what is being 
repaired  - not that I understand it. 

It is good practice to repair permissions every so often, especially after 
installing or removing applications or software update.

Best wishes

Simon
On 28 Oct 2011, at 14:37, joseph wrote:

> so after doing repairs permission, i couldn't see any option to put things 
> right.  am i missing something?
> 
> best
> On 26 Oct 2011, at 20:50, Simon Cavendish wrote:
> 
>> In your finder, press command+shift+u to open utilities folder in your 
>> applications. Then find Disk Utility. Once in it, vo+right arrow to find 
>> table of available disks. Interact with it and find your macintosh hd. Stop 
>> interacting and vo+right arrow until you find your first aid tab. Make sure 
>> it is selected. Then vo+right arrow again till you hear repair permissions. 
>> vo+space on it and it should start the process.
>> On 26 Oct 2011, at 18:30, joseph wrote:
>> 
>>> hello listers
>>> 
>>> how to perform repair permission in lion please?
>>> 
>>> thank you in advance.
>>> 
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Re: repair permission

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I don't quite understand the difference other than "repair permissions" seems 
to have something to do with the bits of software knowing where all the other 
bits are, and repair disk may have something to do with the sectors on the disk 
within which information is written. But I may be talking rubbish.
On 27 Oct 2011, at 00:46, joseph wrote:

> aha,  what is the difference between repair permission and repair disk
> 
> best
> On 26 Oct 2011, at 20:50, Simon Cavendish wrote:
> 
>> In your finder, press command+shift+u to open utilities folder in your 
>> applications. Then find Disk Utility. Once in it, vo+right arrow to find 
>> table of available disks. Interact with it and find your macintosh hd. Stop 
>> interacting and vo+right arrow until you find your first aid tab. Make sure 
>> it is selected. Then vo+right arrow again till you hear repair permissions. 
>> vo+space on it and it should start the process.
>> On 26 Oct 2011, at 18:30, joseph wrote:
>> 
>>> hello listers
>>> 
>>> how to perform repair permission in lion please?
>>> 
>>> thank you in advance.
>>> 
>>> best
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Re: repair permission

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In your finder, press command+shift+u to open utilities folder in your 
applications. Then find Disk Utility. Once in it, vo+right arrow to find table 
of available disks. Interact with it and find your macintosh hd. Stop 
interacting and vo+right arrow until you find your first aid tab. Make sure it 
is selected. Then vo+right arrow again till you hear repair permissions. 
vo+space on it and it should start the process.
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> hello listers
> 
> how to perform repair permission in lion please?
> 
> thank you in advance.
> 
> best  
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Re: bootable dvd with lion?

[Simon Cavendish]

Gerry,

I've only done a bootable usb drive. I'm posting below some notes on creating a 
bootable DVD which I had found on the internet when I considering doing it 
myself a few months ago.

HOpe this will help. See the text below my signature.

Simon

===
tuaw.com
How to burn a Lion boot disc
by KELLY HODGKINS  •  JUNE 7, 2011
READ LATER

Mac OS X Lion will debut in July and this handy set of instructions from Egg 
Freckles will let you create a boot disc for installation. OS X Lion will be 
distributed via the Mac App Store and you can download the installer files to 
your hard drive. Once you have the installer files, follow these steps to 
create your very own boot disc:
•   Use Finder to locate the Mac OS X Lion installer, right-click 
and select "Show Package Contents"
•   Find the SharedSupport folder and look for a file names 
"InstallESD.dmg". This is the Lion Boot Disc image.
•   Copy the "InstallESD.dmg" file to another folder such as your 
desktop.
•   Launch Disk Utility and click the burn button
•   Select the "InstallESD.dmg" copy as the image to burn, insert a 
DVD, and in a few minutes you will have a brand new Lion Boot Disc.
These instructions won't do much for everyone right now since OS X Lion is 
still in the hands of the developers. Bookmark, Evernote or Instapaper this 
post for future use. You'll be glad you did when Lion rolls out next month.

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On 21 Oct 2011, at 12:45, Gerry Cook wrote:

> hi all i hope your well! I'm trying to create a bootable dvd with lion from 
> the app store, but it says dim when i get to the installer, so any help and 
> ideas would be very much appreciated. on how the process is supposed to work, 
> thanks.
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Re: Update made things better!

[Simon Cavendish]

Yes, I think there really has been some improvement although I still lose 
speech quite often and have to press command+f5 a few times to get it back. 

Simon
On 13 Sep 2011, at 11:28, Red.Falcon wrote:

> Hi All!
> I'm not sure and maybe some of you can confirm this !
> Since I updated the security things seem to be working better!
> I'm still on snow leopard and pages in safari are back to loading properly 
> and I can hear as I type in google fields again!
> Has anyone else noticed this!
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Re: Selection Replaced. No items selected

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I get annoyed by it too but have not found a way round it. It regularly happens 
when my mac begins its time machine backup procedure. Nuisance!
On 6 Sep 2011, at 17:57, Jeff Berwick wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> This is a problem that has annoyed me since I started using a Mac and I am 
> wondering if there is something I can do to suppress this message.
> 
> When I am reading long documents I get interrupted with a message saying 
> "Selection Replaced.  No Items Selected."  In some circumstances this causes 
> a problem as there is no easy way to get back to where I was.
> 
> Any thoughts on how I can get rid of this messages or set up an activity with 
> a different voice so I can keep reading?
> 
> Thx,
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Re: Scanners and OCR

[Simon Cavendish]

Dear Paul,

I've been using Abbyy FineReaderExpress for a few years in multilingual 
environment, and it is a very good piece of OCR software. I don't use it to 
scan my multilingual documents as my scanner is 11 years' old and thus 
incompatible with FineReaderExpress. But I use it for recognition the images I 
take with Vuescan, and it does a good job indeed. The one great feature of 
FineReader is its ability to recgonise up to 3 languages in one document, and 
its ability to cope with orientation. The one problem I have with it when 
scanning text arranged in columns.

Hope this helps.

With best wishes

Simon
On 6 Sep 2011, at 10:43, Paul Erkens wrote:

> Hi Annie,
> Are you saying that fine reader express is not a sufficient scanning and OCR 
> solution? Interested to hear your thoughts on that, as I'm about to buy it. 
> Any info or experience appreciated.
> Paul.
> On Sep 6, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I have tried contacting the developer of docuscan, because it would be great 
>> if they could add support for other languages, but they do not answer that 
>> question at all. My brother has also asked them. In my opinion docuscan is 
>> great but rather slow.
>> 
>> vuescan can do some OCR recognition now, and fine reader express, but I will 
>> be the first to admit, that we really need a better scanning solution, 
>> hopefully that will be possible in the future. I have the impression that 
>> the developer of vuescan is working hard on that part.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>> Den Sep 6, 2011 kl. 8:42 AM skrev Anne Robertson:
>> 
>>> Once again, I must point out that DocuScan only handles English. If you use 
>>> any other language, this solution is not for you. Please remember that this 
>>> list is international!
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6 Sep 2011, at 06:21, David Tanner wrote:
>>> 
 Your best and most accessible scanning choice for the price is DocuScan 
 Plus.  You can download a trial version from the App Store and register it 
 for a 7 day trial period.  The price is $299 and gives you both the Apple 
 version and the QWindows version too, if you need it.  It works well with 
 VoiceOver, is simple to use, has lots of power features for all kinds of 
 scanning, recognizing PDF files, and converting scanned text to RTF, TXT, 
 create MP3 file of the text, saving as a formated Braille file, and turn 
 scaned text into a Daisy book.
 
 It can be used with a variety of scanners or you can purchase the HoverCam 
 digital camera that can be purchased along with the software from Sero 
 Tech.
 
 
 
 - Original Message - From: "Mark Colman" 
 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 6:07 AM
 Subject: Scanners and OCR
 
 
 Hello all,
 
 Would like to get some advice on using scanners with a Mac (running Lion 
 if this is relevant). I occasionally need to scan printed documents to 
 send by email or for archival purposes. Does Mac OS have its own utility 
 or app for working with a scanner or are we reliant upon manufacturer's 
 own drivers/software (which, from past experience on Windows, is very hit 
 and miss as far as accessibility is concerned).
 
 Also, what experience do people have of scanning a document and using OCR 
 to get VoiceOver (or whatever) to read out the contents of the document?
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: opening links in email on mac air

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Jack,

Once you open the message, vo+left arrow until you hear Voiceover announce 
"message headers group". Then interact with the group with vo+shift+down arrow. 
You will then hear Voiceover say as you examine the area with v+arrow keys, 
"message header text" and "details link". position your vo cursor on the 
"message header text" portion and interact with it again by pressing 
vo+shift+down arrow. Then vo+left arrow until you can't move further to the 
left. You will now hear Voiceover spelling the name of the sender. Use 
vo+shift+m  to bring up contextual menu. You can now move up and down the list 
to make choices of copying the address or adding it to the address book or 
replying to sender etc.

Once you are done, stop interacting with the area, you may have to do it twice 
and return to your message.

As for the links in the body of the message, once you hear Voiceover announce 
that there is a link on a particular line, use vo+left and right arrow to 
locate the link more precisely. voiceover will normally announce "link" before 
each word which belongs to the link. Then interact with the text with 
vo+shift+down arrow and you can then press vo+spacebar to activate the link or 
vo+shift+m to bring up contextual menu.

HOpe this helps.

Simon
On 4 Sep 2011, at 15:07, jack wrote:

> I am trying to open links in email on the mac air.  I have looked at the 
> commands in lion but I can’t get them to work.  Speciffically, I am refering 
> to links in email where a person’s email address is givine and I want to 
> click the link and create a new message to that address.  Additionally I 
> can’t open links to websites which are linked in email.
> Does the air have conditions where the fn key should be used?  I have tried 
> this but have had no success.
> Thanks for your help.  larry
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Re: Download link in email invisable to vo

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Johnny,

When in the body of the e-mail message, listen for Voiceover saying "link. Then 
try to interact with the text with vo+shift+down arro and move vo cursor rightt 
or left until you hear voiceover say "link. Even if you are at the beginning or 
end of the link as long as Voiceover says link, you should be able to activate 
it by pressing vo+spacebar. It usually works for me. 

Hope this helps.

Simon
On 30 Aug 2011, at 23:04, Johnny Angel! wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> A couple of things:
> 
> i know everyone is busy, but if someone would be so kind as to point me in 
> the right direction for me to learn how to go about downloading a program off 
> of a website, I would be greatly appreciative indeed.
> 
> The other thing is, I wish to download a trial version of  theBento database 
> program.  I was able to get an email from the FileMaker company, with the 
> download link in it, but vo is unable to see it for me to activate it.  Can 
> someone please help me out with this?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Johnny
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> 
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Re: Audio conversion program

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Dear Greg,

It is good to hear from you. Thank you very much for the gift of the 
audioconversion application. It's very generous.

Here in Wales  UK, things are okay. I am still working, and I am mad about my 
Mac computer and iPad. Truly hooked although I do worry sometimes about the 
fact that occasionally Voiceover is not as stable and sure-footed as it used to 
be under Leopard. 

I wish you all the best.

Simon
On 1 Sep 2011, at 06:05, Greg Kearney wrote:

> I wrote this a while back and made some modification to make it more 
> accessible. It will convert most common audio formats including ogg files to 
> MP3 format. Run it select your file of files and let it run it announces each 
> file as it works on it. It does not handle errors very well but should work 
> for you. You are free to give it to whoever you like.
> 
> 
> 
> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
> Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au
> Email: gkear...@gmail.com
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Re: Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

[Simon Cavendish]

Hello Paul,

I really do not know the technical details apart from the fact that under Snow 
Leopard, I use the US Unicode braille table written by Archie Robertson from 
Cecimac.org, and it handles both Greek and English beautifully using computer 8 
dot braille. You might try and contact Archie via their www.cecimac.org 
website. Anne Robertson has also taken part in this thread so you may wish to 
contact her: she's a professional translator as well as computer programmer. 
Archie, her husband, has done an awful lot of unpaid work on the Braille tables 
for various languages for Snow Leopard. 

In the same thread here, Geoff writes that his wife has managed to install 
Archie's tables under Lion but Archie seems to imply that you cannot do so. I'm 
not sure what the answer is. I will write to Geoff offline to see how his wife 
has achieved this.

To all of you who are having problems with Braille tables under Lion, please 
let Apple Accessibility know but please also acknowledge their work they have 
done for blind users thus far. The inclusion of multilingual Braille tables 
under Lion - imperfect as it may be - is a huge step forward, and I personally 
have been campaigning and pressuring Apple to do so since 2007. Archie 
Robertson was by far first to help me in the then impossible task of making it 
a reality for me to read in Greek, Russian and other European languages in 
Braille. His tables were a real boon for me.

I'm sorry, Paul, I can't be more specific. Your knowledge in this area is 
greater than mine.

With best wishes

Simon 
On 30 Aug 2011, at 12:58, Paul Erkens wrote:

>   Hi Simon,
> Yes I'm having the same issue when having documents open in 2 languages at 
> the same time. When translating from German into Dutch for example, it would 
> be nice to have just 1 braille table, that can display Dutch accented letters 
> as well as the German ones, at the same time. But what I never understood was 
> the unicode thing you mention. Is unicode sort of an extended version of 
> ascii? I know what the ascii table is and what it roughly contains, but you 
> can't do more than 256 characters, and a lot are already taken by numbers, 
> punctuation, some graphic symbols and so on. If you write it out in decimal 
> values that we are used to, the the first 32 places in the total of 256 
> entries of the ascii table are already taken up by things like linefeed, 
> carriage return, form feed and a lot of similar stuff. Escape is one. >From 
> 32 it is punctuation and numbers, then lowercase letters,, then a gap and 
> uppercase letters and accented letters and graphics. Some German and also 
> some Dutch symbols are in the ascii table above 127, but I think probably not 
> all of them.
> 
> To what extent does the ascii table relate to a braille table, and what 
> exactly is unicode and how does that get translated to a unicode braille 
> table? Very interested. Because if unicode is some 16-bit thing, why then 
> would we need another braille table if you already have over 64 thousand 
> character possibilities? Having just one braille table would be nice. Can you 
> tell me more on this?
> Paul.
> On Aug 30, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
> 
>> Dear Listers,
>> 
>> This message is primarily for those who use Braille with a Braille display 
>> under Lion and who need to use Braille in foreign languages, especially 
>> those languages that use non-Latin characters. In my case, it is Greek and 
>> Russian. 
>> 
>> I am not sure whether anyone has noticed but under lion, although Apple 
>> accessibility has provided lots of Braille tables for foreign languages - as 
>> Anne Robertson has already mentioned - some of them are outdated. 
>> Additionally, the current Braille tables, do not include a unicode Braille 
>> table. The result is that if one is working in a document that contains two 
>> different languages, say English and Greek, or if one is working on two 
>> documents at the same time as you would in translation, you have to keep on 
>> switching Braille tables in Voiceover utility which as you can imagine is 
>> bothersome and makes translation work impossible. Similarly, if you are 
>> reading the bilingual text, and you have your Braille table set to English, 
>> all the Greek text will be invisible to the Braille display and you want be 
>> able to read it. 
>> 
>> Under Snow Leopard, we had Braille tables provided by Archie Robertson from 
>> Cecimac - free gift from this generous person. It had a unicode Braille 
>> table as well as many other language tables, and this problem did not arise 
>> there. The unicode Braille table was able to handle many languages at the 
>> same time. So I could comfortabl

Re: question about downloading in Saphari

[Simon Cavendish]

When you encounter a link which is to download a file, focus on it and press 
vo+shift+m to get contextual menu and arrow down to hear download linked file  
and / or download linked file as. This will give you a choice to download the 
file or the latter will give you a choice a specify where to download your file 
to.
On 30 Aug 2011, at 21:19, Denise Barajas wrote:

> Hello all, I've been wondering what to do when downloading a certain podcast 
> or song that is an MP3 file. Offten times, I either can download it wirte 
> away when clicking on the link for it, or other times it will simply play the 
> selection in Saphari. Is there a way I can change the behavior for when it 
> plays things in saphari? I don't alays want to listen, I just care to 
> download it to listen to it later. I hope my question isn't worded too 
> strangely, bt this was the best way I could put it into words. If anyone 
> could please assist, I'd greatly appreciate it.
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Re: Safari help sorly needed

[Simon Cavendish]

Hello,

Please do not feel offended by these basic questions but make sure, when 
copying n application from the downloads folder, that it has the extension .app 
after its name. Then - and I think only then - will the application be pasted 
into your application folder. If - once you have located your application in 
the downloads folder - you hear .dmg after its name, you need to open it first 
with command+down arrow. This will probably result in the following: go to your 
desktop where you will find a folder (usually having the word image in it) 
which has the name of your application. Interact with it, and you should find 
there the name of your application with the .app extension. Copy it with 
command+c and then paste into application folder. Be aware that some .dmg 
packets when they appear as image browser on your desktop may have application 
alias already included in them. This is just a shortcut to your application 
folder which, when you press command+downarrow, will open your application 
folder straight away. Som programmes when downloaded have extension .pkg. They 
also will be placed as image browser on your desktop when you open them with 
command+down arrow. These ,pkg things usually include an installer application 
which you have to run by pressing command+downarrow to open them, and follow 
onscreen instructions. 

Please forgive me if this is something you know, or if it has already been 
posted here.  Just trying to be helpful.

With best wishes

Simon
On 31 Aug 2011, at 20:46, Johnny Angel! wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> Thanks so much for this!
> 
> Everything went smoothly except for copying the program into my applications 
> folder.  Vo reports the copy process with a command C, but after then going 
> to the applications folder, command V does nothing, Vo is silent, and nothing 
> is copied.  Any ideas on this last step?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Johnny
> On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> Assuming you haven't changed any preferences, the downloaded files should be 
>> in your Downloads folder. Downloads folder can be found a number of ways but 
>> one quick way is in your dock which is VO-D. Then do a VO-Shift-M for the 
>> contextual menu and choose open Donwloads by hitting the up arrow once. Once 
>> in there the actual installation process depends on what you downloaded. 
>> Most Mac apps come as DMG or DiskImage files which when opened appear as 
>> another drive on your desktop. Usually within there is some kind of 
>> installer package, setup program or just the app itself. In the last case 
>> you can just copy the app, go to your applications folder and paste it there.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 8/29/11 5:29 PM, Johnny Angel! wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I tried asking this once before, but I don't think my question got through 
>>> to the list.  At any rate, here goes:
>>> 
>>> I need help understanding how to download programs from websites in Safari.
>>> 
>>> Would someone please be so kind as to offer me a detailed teaching on how 
>>> to do this?  I would click on a download link, but to me nothing is 
>>> happening.  When I navigate to the download button, I can see at least one 
>>> of the programs I have tried downloading, but I don't know what I am to do 
>>> to get the program onto my mbp from there.
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot everyone,
>>> 
>>> Johnny
>>> Johnny Angel!
>>> beefca...@neo.rr.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Multilingual Braille tables under Lion

[Simon Cavendish]

Dear Listers,

This message is primarily for those who use Braille with a Braille display 
under Lion and who need to use Braille in foreign languages, especially those 
languages that use non-Latin characters. In my case, it is Greek and Russian. 

I am not sure whether anyone has noticed but under lion, although Apple 
accessibility has provided lots of Braille tables for foreign languages - as 
Anne Robertson has already mentioned - some of them are outdated. Additionally, 
the current Braille tables, do not include a unicode Braille table. The result 
is that if one is working in a document that contains two different languages, 
say English and Greek, or if one is working on two documents at the same time 
as you would in translation, you have to keep on switching Braille tables in 
Voiceover utility which as you can imagine is bothersome and makes translation 
work impossible. Similarly, if you are reading the bilingual text, and you have 
your Braille table set to English, all the Greek text will be invisible to the 
Braille display and you want be able to read it. 

Under Snow Leopard, we had Braille tables provided by Archie Robertson from 
Cecimac - free gift from this generous person. It had a unicode Braille table 
as well as many other language tables, and this problem did not arise there. 
The unicode Braille table was able to handle many languages at the same time. 
So I could comfortably read an Anglo-Greek text in Braille.

Sadly, under Lion, Archie's tables cannot be added nor can the existing tables 
be modified. I've written to Accessibility team to ask them to make a 
modification and addition of tables possible, or else include a unicode 8 dot 
table in further developments. I was wondering whether others on the list have 
a similar concern, and if yes, would they also write to accessibility. The job 
that the Accessibility Team have done so far is absolutely great  - and I have 
made it profusely clear when writing to them. But this little step is missing, 
and this step is also crucial for those who need to engage in the study of some 
foreign languages, and/or translation work.

Thank you all for reading this

Simon

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Re: Facebook app

[Simon Cavendish]

I saw some posts on the list a while ago, reviewing favourably  an application 
called ""Trillian" (if I remember correctly), available from the app store. 
Maybe you could try it out, or else look for some earlier posts using the 
search term Trillian on the archive page.

With best wishes

Simon
On 25 Aug 2011, at 01:18, Francisco Salvador Crespo wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> can you suggest me a Facebook app accessible with Voice Over? i need it 
> because i can't navigate the mobile web with Safary
> 
> Thanks in advanzed,
> 
> Francisco
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Re: need help with software installation

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Hello,

I had the same happen - had to ask sighted assistance as you can't get to the 
controls with VO keys or trackpad. 

Best wishes

Simon
On 22 Aug 2011, at 22:37, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> Figured I would install Flash as my first application, going to need it
> eventually.  Got the link to download the software from youtube, downloaded
> it.  I found the file in my download directory, and I also started the
> installer.  When I start it up I get the usual  message, am I sure I want to
> install.  I click open, and I get a checkbox to agree to licensing terms.
> When I tab down there is an install link, but clicking it either with a
> double tap of the touch pad, pressing option command space bar or pressing
> the mouse click hot key I set up doesn't do anything.  The Flash installer
> is in my dock, but I can't seem to get it further.  Any help to a novice
> appreciated.
> 
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Re: VMware fusion and JAWS

[Simon Cavendish]

Hello,

I've been trying to follow your very helpful instructions to remap an insert 
key in Windows running in VMWare fusion so that I can use it as Jaws key. You 
suggest choosing right option key to become the insert key. However, I do not 
see an right option key choice in the list, just option key. And when I 
remapped it to insert key, I couldn't then use it as a regular Alt key to open 
menus in Windows and Windows applications. If this topic is not appropriate for 
the list, if you kindly wish to continue with it, please e-mail off list.

With best wishes

Simon
On 16 Aug 2011, at 18:20, Paul Erkens wrote:

> Hi Rod,
> In fusion, you have 2 choices to remap keys. One is sharp keys and the other 
> is fusion itself. If you do it in fusion however, the keys you define will 
> work in all virtual machines you have. If these are all windows, there is no 
> problem.  Regarding the fusion way of doing it: go into fusion's preferences 
> with command comma. Then choose the keyboard item from the toolbar and do the 
> following in the first tab sheet.
> 
> In this key definition screen you have a from section, and a to, section. In 
> from, choose right option, from the combo box. There are checkboxes, but 
> ignore them for now. In the to, section, go for insert. Now, you cannot 
> simply tab away from the to, combo box, because it will then replace your 
> chosen insert key with the tab key. V O right won't work either because the 
> combo box is still open and any key will be interpreted as a destination 
> mapping. Just command tab out of fusion and then command tab back in again. 
> Now, the combo is closed, and you can go to the ok button as normal. So in 
> short, map your right option key to insert, by defining it in the fusion 
> preferences.
> On Aug 13, 2011, at 5:29 PM, ROD SKENE wrote:
> 
>> Good morning,
>> How do I re-map my right command key to an insert key and my right option 
>> key to an applications key while I am in VMware fusion?  Also, will it 
>> affect the keyboard commander commands such as right option key, T for time?
>> I hope everyone is having a great weekend!
>> Rod
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Re: Another mail question with Lion

[Simon Cavendish]

Hello,

I've just tried to do this. This is what I did.

I vo+left arrow to the message header area. I then interacted with it. Once you 
interact, I moved with vo+right once and landed on "details" link. Voiceover 
actually says here "link". I pressed vo+spacebar on this link. This resulted in 
being able to see the senders address. I then routed my mouse cursor to vo with 
vo+command+f5 and performed mouse click with vo+shift+spacebar. This opened a 
menu for me which gives you a choice of replying to sender or adding the 
sender's details to your address book. Hope this helps.

Simon
On 2 Aug 2011, at 20:15, carlene knight wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> I was going to personally reply to a list member but I can't figure out how 
> to highlight each header.  Before, I could open the message with return, 
> shift tab to headers, vo/right arrow to the email address so that I could 
> select it.  Now I can't seem to highlight any headers and I don't think 
> they're hidden as I can see the info, I just can't seem to place the cursor 
> on any particular heading.  It's been a heck of a long time since I attempted 
> this, and I am barely computer literate so it might be obvious, and if so, I 
> apologize.  I've got mail in classic view.  Thanks in advance.
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Re: Voice over hot spots

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Yes, it should be as you say.
On 8 Jul 2011, at 15:41, matthew Dyer wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have set up hot spots for my mail programs to jump between the different 
> mail boxes.  How ever, in testing them, It only takes me to my gmail and I 
> have 4  acccounts which I have hot spots seup for.  Correct me if I am rong, 
> but is it not vo and the number of the hot spot the way to jump between them? 
>  Thanks.
> 
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Re: PDF files

[Simon Cavendish]

Rafaeel,

I have not tried it myself as I haven't got a multi-column document to test it, 
and it is just a thought - but try highlighting the content of your document by 
pressing command+a and copying it to clipboard and then pasting into TextEdit. 

Good luck.

Simon
On 28 Jun 2011, at 00:05, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I am trying to use Preview to read a multiple-column, pdf file.  The problem 
> is that I don't want to read by column.  I want to read line-by-line, from 
> the left to the right of the document, but I can't seem to figure out how to 
> do that.  In other words, I would like for VO to ignore the column 
> formatting, and to treat the document as though it contained only one column.
> 
> If anyone on this list could give me some insight as to how to do this, I 
> would be most grateful.
> 
> Cordially,
> Rafael Bejarano
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Re: concerning VUScan

[Simon Cavendish]

Ann Robertson has recently posted the instructions on how to set up Vuescan. 
I'm pasting them below my signature.

Simon

===

Below are the settings for VueScan.

Cheers,

Anne


1) Select Input;
1.1) Task: Scan to file;
1.2) Source: Your scanner;
1.3) Media: Text;
1.4) Media size: Auto;
1.5) Preview resolution: 300 dpi;
1.6) Scan resolution: 300 dpi;
2) Select Output;
2.1) Default folder: Folder you have created for this purpose;
2.2) Printed size: Scan size;
2.3) TIFF file: unchecked check box;
2.4) JPEG file: unchecked check box;
2.5) PDF file: unchecked check box;
2.6) OCR text file: checked check box;
2.7) OCR text file name: Name for document being scanned;
2.8) OCR text multi page: check or uncheck as needed;
2.9) Raw file: unchecked check box;
3) Select Prefs;
3.1) Language: Choose your language out of the 29 available;
3.2) Font size (pt): 16;
3.3 Crop units: mm;
3.4) Printed units: mm;
3.5 External viewer: unchecked check box;
3.6) External editor: checked check box;
3.7) Editor: TextEdit.

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Re: ipod oops.

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Could we please have more descriptive subject lines rather than "iPod oops"? 
 I think "Moderators of the list have been asking for these many a time.

Simon
On 6 May 2011, at 20:40, Nadine Carr wrote:

> Hi, made a mistake when having to format a machine. I forgot to back up the 
> itunes libraries... Is there any possibility o dumping from the ipod to 
> itunes althought that particularl library is from the old machine.
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Re: problem selecting text on Facebook walls

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Forgive me, yes, I did mean vo+shift+c (letter c key).

Simon
On 1 May 2011, at 00:18, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Surely, you meant VO+shift+c?  Using the command key with the above results 
> in finding previous text with same atributes or something.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 30, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
> 
>> Dear Ray,
>> 
>> Try using copy last spoken phrase to the cpliboard command vo+shipft+c 
>> immediatley after Voiceover has spoken the text or even while it is 
>> speaking. I use this feature regualry with good results, and then copy the 
>> spoken text into a text edit window.
>> 
>> hope this will help a little.
>> 
>> Simon
>> On 30 Apr 2011, at 15:35, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay.  Here's the thing.
>>> 
>>> I can't seem to select and copy text on people's Facebook walls.  I 
>>> interact with the text I want to select, and, then, I get stuck.  Using 
>>> VO+return to begin and end selections does not work.  Can't use shift+arrow 
>>> keys either.  Any other thoughts?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: problem selecting text on Facebook walls

[Simon Cavendish]

Dear Ray,

Try using copy last spoken phrase to the cpliboard command vo+shipft+c 
immediatley after Voiceover has spoken the text or even while it is speaking. I 
use this feature regualry with good results, and then copy the spoken text into 
a text edit window.

hope this will help a little.

Simon
On 30 Apr 2011, at 15:35, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Okay.  Here's the thing.
> 
> I can't seem to select and copy text on people's Facebook walls.  I interact 
> with the text I want to select, and, then, I get stuck.  Using VO+return to 
> begin and end selections does not work.  Can't use shift+arrow keys either.  
> Any other thoughts?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
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Re: Technical AirPort question

[Simon Cavendish]

I understand from reading "take control books" k- and I am currently struggling 
with setting up a similar network to yours, Scott, that iPad has not the 
capacity to connect to 5ghz radio as it is still 8211G rather than N. With 
Express, it has as you point out a dual capacity  and it should switch 
autimatically unless you do not allow it in the configurations. I too find the 
configuring troublesome as I can't seem to access certain options when 
extending the network.

I will see what else I can find.

Simon
On 25 Apr 2011, at 01:57, Scott Howell wrote:

> All,
> 
> I hope this will make sense, but this is a little complicated perhaps. 
> Currently I have an AirPort Time Capsule as the main router and an AirPort 
> Express on another floor to extend the range of the network. The Time Capsule 
> has both a 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz radio. I learned the AIrPort Express does as well. 
> I have effectively two networks it seems in that devices can connect to the 
> 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz network, which has the same name accept the 5Ghz network 
> actually states network name followed by 5Ghz. The goal of course was to 
> segregate the 8211G devices from the 8211N devices by allowing devices 
> supporting 8211N to only access the 5Ghz network. THis seems to work fine, 
> but I noticed that my iPad was loosing it's connection until I allowed it to 
> connect to the AirPort Express by entering the password (which is the same 
> for the entire network). My thought was that perhaps for some reason although 
> the Express is extending the network, the iPad was not making the switch to 
> the extender. So, that got me to wondering if the iPad was connecting to the 
> 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz portion/radio of the network. I'm still not entirely sure 
> since it seems the AirPort Express when setup does not allow access to a lot 
> of the configuration options. Well ok, of course you can change anything, but 
> when configured to extend the range of the network, it would make sense that 
> you would not need access to all options (if that made sense).
> So, once I connected it seem to behave as expected, but at that time I did 
> not realize the AirPort Express had both 2.4 and 5Ghz radios. So, after all 
> that prattle, does anyone know a bit on how these routers work as far as 
> handing off traffic to an extender and how a device knows to make the switch? 
> I suspect I know more than I realize, but just haven't found the best 
> resource to learn. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott
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Re: Facebook app now even more accessible

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Thanks, Krister, this is good news. Does the same apply to iPad? ALso, can you 
give me - if it is not too much - a short description of how you use Chat on 
the iPad with voiceover?

Best wishes

Simon
On 21 Apr 2011, at 22:57, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hi,
> After the long wait the facebook app is now at least as far as i have looked 
> fully accessible. The long standing bug where the comment and like buttons 
> weren't available is now gone. Next to the posts in the latest facebook app 
> posted April 20th are first an image that says "photo" and then an image that 
> says "comment or like". Double tapping this image brings up a couple of 
> images and two links one labeled "like" and another labeled "comment". Double 
> tapping one of the links does what it says it should so if you press the 
> "comment" link, a text box pops up where you can type your comment. Go ahead 
> and do so and when done press the "post" button in the upper right corner of 
> the screen and voila, your comment is there. When you've commented and want 
> to go back to the news feed, you just scrub and you get back to the news feed 
> screen alternatively you press the "newsfeed back" button and you're at the 
> news feed.
> The chat looks good as well, i have yet to get answers from those i chat 
> with, so i don't know how well it works, but it seems to work quite well.
> Apparently Facebook has fixed the crashing bug, for at least on my Iphone 4, 
> i didn't have any problems with the app crashing on me, but that could be 
> pure luck.:-)
> Take care and happy facebooking!
> /Krister
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Re: iOS 4.3.2: New Software Keyboard Rotor Option

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Oh, thanks, Neil, that's great. I'm still very much a learner.

Simon
On 24 Apr 2011, at 11:31, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> yes, you are doing that wrong, firstly ensure that the roter setting is set 
> to container, now single finger swipe up or down will move through the 
> various containers, or whatever you've set the roter to...
> 
> so the rule here is, swiping up and down moves through the objects as defined 
> at that time by the roter, swiping left / right moves item by item and 
> ignores the roter.
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> On 24 Apr 2011, at 11:11, Simon Cavendish wrote:
> 
> When I use "container" option on my iPad. it doesn't seem to do what others 
> have said here, i.e. go from section of the screen to another section. It 
> just moves me through all the elements within all sections as I flick right 
> or left with one finger. Am I doing something wrong?
> 
> Thanks for suggestions, Simon
> On 24 Apr 2011, at 09:06, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
> 
>> on my iPad2 the containers option of the roter does exactly what people are 
>> saying, enables a quick way of moving from one side of a screen, or screen 
>> element to another. works very well, although I find it sometimes slower 
>> then the older four finger swipe left / right on the iPad1 I used to have 
>> running versions of the iOS older than v4.3.0 when this option was removed 
>> and replaced.
>> 
>> the containers option is only shown on the iPad as the iPhone does not have 
>> this display mode.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On 19 Apr 2011, at 21:23, Esther wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Erik,
>> 
>> I haven't updated my iPad to iOS 4.3.2 yet, but a rotor setting for 
>> "containers" is great.  Containers are the separate sub-units of the screen 
>> that make use of the larger screen format of the iPad. For example, in the 
>> Mail app on the iPad, when you're in landscape mode there is a list of 
>> Mailboxes or messages on the left side of the screen, and the currently 
>> selected message displayed on the right.  Similarly, in Settings you have 
>> the list of "Settings" categories on the left, and the detailed menu page 
>> (e.g. "Accessibility", "VoiceOver", or "Web Rotor") on the right. Those are 
>> two different containers, and it sounds as though the rotor has added an 
>> easy way to navigate between the two, which is something that I've been 
>> wanting.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther 
>> 
>> On Apr 19, 2011, at 08:53, Erik Heil wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I just updated my iPad to iOS 4.3.2 and noticed a new rotor option within 
>>> te software keyboards called "containers". Anyone of you guys knw what this 
>>> is? Thanks for the help.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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