Re: Just had my hands on an apple watch today

[Peter Apgar]

PeteSorry if I missed this in your email, but how did voiceover work with it??

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> On Apr 10, 2015, at 10:37 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Just wanted to tell you guys what my first impression of an apple watch, as a 
> design cue, on the instant the apple sales girl handed it to me. It almost 
> felt as though she was unsure whether to hand it over after talking market 
> stuff about it, and after a few tos and fros, I had the suspicion she had the 
> same idea.
> 
> It’s thick. Imagine a large toffee. with a button and a digital crown on the 
> side. I was first handed the links bracelet model. And the truth is, I will 
> wait for a way slimmer version. No matter the functionalities of this thing. 
> The demo it gave, as we couldn’t test it out there and then, gave some 
> impressions on the haptic. Sure, it gives you a very discreet tick on the 
> wrist. Wow. Really? Amazing technology. Feel the sarcasm. But what still is 
> stamped with hot iron in my mind is not this tick, but how ugly it felt in my 
> hand with its thickness. Imagine thick enough so that you have a space on the 
> sides of your wrist with both links and sports bands. You can fit a cigarette 
> on either side. You just can’t find a position that leaves the bracelet flat 
> over your wrist all around. Even that fancy metal mesh bracelet had a space. 
> What struck me was that I when I said “This thing is rather thick”, the sales 
> girl replied with a “Yeah, I was really surprised too”. I think this must 
> have been a deal breaker for a lot of people going in there to see it. I 
> couldn’t hear any oos or aahs anywhere. Checking both sizes of this thing, 
> there’s not much difference and both just feel like fat unattractive toffees 
> that come with diferent bands which don’t add anything to the watch culture. 
> Having had watches before in my time, I much preffer having nothing on my 
> wrist than this hunk of technology that seems to have a fatal bullimic 
> inclination due to battery restrictions.
> 
> The second shocker for me was that this little piece of thing which is 
> useless without an iphone actually costs more than an iphone 6 here in 
> Australia. Not only is it a second deal breaker, it’s a total insult to 
> australian consumers. From 500 something mentioned during the presentation to 
> over 1600 aus dollars here, with 200 extra for the space black version. It’s 
> a complete ripoff. And I weigh my words. See why below:
> 
> 1-It does nothing without pairing it with an iphone 5 or more. It’s totally 
> useless when your phone dies, if it doesn’t die before it.
> 2-The fancy shmancy terms used like digital crown are a gimmick beyond the 
> slickest of car salespersons. I have less respect for Jimmy Ive now. It’s 
> just a freaking rotating button which you can also push. Man this is the 
> future (sarcasm again)
> 3-You have to charge it daily, along with the phone. If you have a guide dogm 
> another pet, uni, etc the list goes on, why consider an extra daily chore 
> like this for not much?
> 4-To make it cost more than an iphone, which in all technological, functional 
> and complexity terms has more to give than a watch is a blatant disrespect of 
> customers as well as an inherent belief from these people that once hooked, a 
> stupid apple customer will buy anything that comes out just from the hype 
> driven events.
> 5-As blind phone users, I believe This is useless anyway. let me develop 
> below. 
> 
> I jack my phone with headphones when I walk around, either to tell siri to 
> open ariadne gps which gives me directions, or call this or do that. I have 
> the handy mic button and siri works for simple tasks like this. An apple 
> watch won’t bring anything better to my experience in the active set. Having 
> the phone talk to me while i walk is the worst geek nerd interpretation 
> nightmare I could think of, and I would have to lean the hand toward my ear 
> anyway because of background noise, and I won’t make myself look like a sick 
> puppy with a flebo on my wrist with earbuds. And you need to pull your arm up 
> to do anything to it. Another thing the sales girl told me which just 
> completely killed it, in a very comical way, was that apple advised that they 
> wanted watch users not to use the watch over 30 seconds at a time, as they 
> thought it was the benchmark limit at which point your arm gets tired. Talk 
> about computer human interaction research (another sarcasm). This was one 
> other of their excuses for battery time that basically sucked shit (excuse my 
> french) and providing weird marketing  justifications to still try and make 
> the watch appealing. However, by that time, the sales girl knew she smelled 
> better than this thing, than the watch, that I was not sold on the design 
> factor (as a blind user and former 3D modeler), I really didn’t find this 
> good. at all. My impression was that it would be a longer rectangular shape, 
> sli

Re: So Voice Over is on the Apple Watch.

[Peter Apgar]

Thanks. Where does one go to find more information on this?

Pete

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Re: KNFBReader pre-purchase question

[Peter Apgar]

Works great for the 4s also. 
Pete
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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
> wrote:
> 
> Works great on my iPhone 5.
> 
>   Regards, Feliciano
> 
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>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Phil,
>> 
>> I was reluctant to buy KNFB Reader because I’ve had a lot of success with 
>> both Prizmo and TextGrabber. But when KNFB Reader was available with a 25% 
>> reduction around Christmas, I treated myself to it and was amazed at how 
>> easy it is to use, and how accurate it is. I, too, have an iPhone 5, so I 
>> can assure you it works fine with that.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Mar 2015, at 17:25, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> After listening to Mike Hanson’s podcast on KNFBReader, I’m about to take 
>>> the $100 plunge (ouch!). I’ve read the AppleVis forum and blog, and 
>>> listened to podcasts, and now I’m asking for the experience of listers.
>>> 
>>> I have a iPhone 5 (not 5S), running the latest IOS 8.x. How is the app 
>>> performing on this platform?   
>>> 
>>> $100 is a lot for an iPhone app and I just want to make sure I’m not going 
>>> to get hosed. I use ABBYY FineReaderPro, but having a good scanning option 
>>> on the iPhone would be a real plus especially since it can do some computer 
>>> screen scanning as well.
>>> 
>>> All Candid opinions welcome. 
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Re: KNFB Reader iPhone App

[peter Apgar]

No problem. Your question makes perfect sense. You do not need to be perfect to 
get great results! I have not used the guidance at the program offers but 
holding the phone elbow length away from the paper gave great results  
unfortunately I cannot compare it to the old app. 

Pete

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> On Sep 20, 2014, at 6:00 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pete 
> You may have answered this already, but I once tried the KNFB reader that a 
> friend had on his Windows phone. I couldn't get the thing to line up and I 
> got the worst text you ever saw. Obviously, you got it to line up with the 
> restaurant menu, and I'm really impressed about that. I have heard there is 
> an option on this new program to find the line up. How sloppy can you be to 
> line up the text and have the text come out good? I hope my question makes 
> sense. I know a lot of people got the old one to work, but I was hopeless 
> with it. So, did you ever use the old one, and is it, in your opinion, better 
> than it was?  
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:58 AM, peter Apgar  wrote:
>> 
>> Best app I've ever purchased! I to believe that this works better then 
>> desktop scanning programs. First day with it was today. First try at a 
>> restaurant scored the entire menu perfectly
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Frankly, I could not agree more!!!  My flat bed scanning days are through:  
>>> or just about anyhow.  I never got such good results with the other OCR 
>>> apps.  Not even with Abby Fine Reader Text Grabber, which is kinda sorta 
>>> okay.  The KNFB reader is where it's at if you want it to be both fast and 
>>> accurate.  Yes, it does help you angle the camra just right.  I didn't 
>>> realize, until I started using the KNFB reader app that I was always 
>>> angling the camra lens much too far upward.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Lisette Wesseling 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Donna,
>>>> I'm not Kevin but bought the app last night. On my first picture, I got 
>>>> 100 per cent accuracy of an entire credit card statement which obviously 
>>>> has lots of numbers and weird abbreviations. I spent about a minute lining 
>>>> the document up and then took one picture and it was perfect! I never had 
>>>> anything close to that with Prismo, Text Grabber or Text Detective. I 
>>>> rarely got the whole document there, whereas KNFB Reader helps you line it 
>>>> up if you want it to.
>>>> It also does images and pdf images, so it is definitely worth it for me. 
>>>> I'm now sorry I wasted the money on those others, but it was all there was 
>>>> at the time and they served their purpose. KNFB Reader is now the only OCR 
>>>> app on my phone.
>>>> It takes about 2 seconds from when the picture is taken to when it starts 
>>>> reading, and I'm using an iPhone 5 at this stage.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck with your decision
>>>> 
>>>> Lisette
>>>> 
>>>>> On 20/09/2014, at 6:28 am, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kevin, can you say more?  I'm kind of on the fence about whether or not 
>>>>> to purchase it, but so far I'm not completely happy with either 
>>>>> textGrabber or Prizmo.  I think the place where I'm going wrong with both 
>>>>> those apps is the positioning of the camera.  Does KNFB Reader make that 
>>>>> easier?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Kevin Mattingly  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It just works. I'm glad I bought it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Gary  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yep, I know.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Did you get my emails regarding the Macbook configuration?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> G

Re: KNFB Reader iPhone App

[peter Apgar]

Best app I've ever purchased! I to believe that this works better then desktop 
scanning programs. First day with it was today. First try at a restaurant 
scored the entire menu perfectly

Pete

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> On Sep 19, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Frankly, I could not agree more!!!  My flat bed scanning days are through:  
> or just about anyhow.  I never got such good results with the other OCR apps. 
>  Not even with Abby Fine Reader Text Grabber, which is kinda sorta okay.  The 
> KNFB reader is where it's at if you want it to be both fast and accurate.  
> Yes, it does help you angle the camra just right.  I didn't realize, until I 
> started using the KNFB reader app that I was always angling the camra lens 
> much too far upward.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> I'm not Kevin but bought the app last night. On my first picture, I got 100 
>> per cent accuracy of an entire credit card statement which obviously has 
>> lots of numbers and weird abbreviations. I spent about a minute lining the 
>> document up and then took one picture and it was perfect! I never had 
>> anything close to that with Prismo, Text Grabber or Text Detective. I rarely 
>> got the whole document there, whereas KNFB Reader helps you line it up if 
>> you want it to.
>> It also does images and pdf images, so it is definitely worth it for me. I'm 
>> now sorry I wasted the money on those others, but it was all there was at 
>> the time and they served their purpose. KNFB Reader is now the only OCR app 
>> on my phone.
>> It takes about 2 seconds from when the picture is taken to when it starts 
>> reading, and I'm using an iPhone 5 at this stage.
>> 
>> Good luck with your decision
>> 
>> Lisette
>> 
>>> On 20/09/2014, at 6:28 am, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kevin, can you say more?  I'm kind of on the fence about whether or not to 
>>> purchase it, but so far I'm not completely happy with either textGrabber or 
>>> Prizmo.  I think the place where I'm going wrong with both those apps is 
>>> the positioning of the camera.  Does KNFB Reader make that easier?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Kevin Mattingly  
 wrote:
 
 It just works. I'm glad I bought it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Gary  wrote:
> 
> Yep, I know.
> 
> Did you get my emails regarding the Macbook configuration?
> 
> Gary
>> On Sep 19, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Cameron Strife  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> $100? Ouch.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/19/14, Chris G  wrote:
>>> Has anyone bought it for the iPadd with retina?
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> Mystic Access
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>>> Phone: (716) 743-8244
>>> web: www.mysticaccess.com
>>> 
>>> Accessible Gadgets mailing list: > >
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>>> Podcast: www.mysticaccesspodcast.com
>>> Twitter: MysticAccess
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:31:02 -0400
>>> Kevin Mattingly  wrote:
>>> 
 I just bought it. I will let you know how it works.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:28 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
> 
> Apparently the app is $100.
> 
> CB
> 
> Baltimore, Maryland (September 18, 2014): The National Federation of 
> the
> Blind, the nation's leading advocate for access to print by the blind,
> has applauded the release of KNFB Reader, a new app for the iPhone and
> other Apple iOS devices, which uses the phone's camera and
> state-of-the-art optical character recognition (OCR) technology to 
> give
> the blind instant access to the contents of print materials. Members 
> of
> the National Federation of the Blind have worked with K-NFB Reading
> Technology, Inc., which developed the app along with Sensotec, Inc. 
> KNFB
> Reader is now available in the iTunes app store.
> 
> Mark Riccobono, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
> said:
> "The National Federation of the Blind has been involved for forty 
> years
> in the development of technology that helps blind people to acquire
> access to the various print materials that we all encounter from day 
> to
> day. Ever since our first collaboration with Ray Kurzweil to develop 
> the
> Kurzweil Reading Machine

Re: an ibooks question

[peter Apgar]

Can you go to the iBooks store in your purchase list and simply download them 
again?

Pete 

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> On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Instead of putting them directly back into the folder, either copy and paste 
> them to the Desktop then use the Add to Library feature under the File menu 
> within iBooks itself or try a VO-shift-m on the individual book from within 
> the Trash and see if there is the "Put Back" option.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:52 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> In follow up to my last message, I happily still have my deleted iBooks in 
>> my trash, so I'd like to try and restore them to iBooks that way.  I see the 
>> numbered folders that contain each of the books.  To what folder do I need 
>> to copy them in order for them to be restored to iBooks?
>> thank you,
>> Donna
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Re: anyone know about problems with iBooks in IOS 8?

[peter Apgar]

Good evening Donna, 

I too have migrated to IOs 8 but I am not having any issues with iBooks. All of 
my purchased books are there along with my downloaded ones and are all legible

Pete 

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> On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:31 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering if anyone knows anything about bugs with the latest iBooks?  I 
> upgraded to IOS 8 last night, and installed the update to iBooks.  Now, I can 
> see the publisher's blurb for my books when I click on the Purchased Tab, but 
> that's all I can see.  When I switch to my books, the list is empty, despite 
> the fact that I have several downloaded.  It doesn't matter whether I select 
> My Bookshelf, Titles, or Authors, I see nothing.  I had my sighted husband 
> look at my phone, and he confirmed that the books are not showing up on the 
> screen at all.  Anyone else had this issue?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Accessible Crossword Puzzles

[Peter Apgar]

Thank you Ann, 

do you know if there's a crossword program available for the iPhone?

Pete 

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On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:50 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Harry,
> 
> I like to do the Guardian cryptic crossword. There is also a quick crossword 
> available. They are available Monday through Friday. The Saturday cryptic 
> crossword has to be paid for as it is a prize crossword.
> 
> The link below takes you to the page where you choose which crossword you 
> want.
> 
> 
> 
> On this page, I go to heading level 2 Latest Cryptic crossword and click on 
> Standard Version.
> 
> On the next page, set navigation to Groups as it works better for crosswords 
> and go to heading level 4, Across. Below this is a table of the across clues, 
> each with its number and the number of letters in the solution. To jump to 
> the grid, interact with the clue, bring the mouse and press VO-Space. You 
> navigate the grid just using the arrow keys.
> 
> The Down clues are under another level 4 heading which is to the right of the 
> Across clues. I set a hotspot on the second element of the clue, the text, so 
> that I can use the VO-Cmd-number to read the clue again while I'm exploring 
> the grid to see whether I already have letters for that clue, It also helps 
> for jumping back to the table of clues. I reuse the same hotspot all the way 
> through the crossword.
> 
> To the left of the level 4 headings is a toolbar containing the buttons Save, 
> Revert to saved, Clear, Check, Check all, Anagram, Cheat, and Solution. All 
> these functions are accessible.
> 
> When entering a solution, just type and the letters will go into the correct 
> squares.
> 
> I'm sure there must be other accessible online crosswords, but the Guardian 
> has been my favourite crossword for decades and I was delighted when I found 
> its online version to be accessible.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 21 Nov 2012, at 23:18, Harry Hogue  wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> Does anyone know of accessible crossword puzzles or any tips for accessing 
>> regular crossword puzzles online?  I have always wanted to play crosswords, 
>> but just assumed they were far too visual to be of any use.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Harry
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I tunes & 4S match issue

[peter apgar]

Good morning all,

i have subscribed to Itunes match and can no longer sink play lists.  
does anyone know how to sink the playlists to the phone?

Thanks in advance,

Pete

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Re: iPhone 4 or 4S

[peter apgar]

Jim,

hands down the 4S.  the processing power is much better. if your on AT&T and 
are in a city, you can get 4G data speeds.  for example, my 4S is faster on 
AT&T  then on my home network.  i live in DC.

R,

Pete

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> Hi all!
> Not sure if I can ask this here but I am considering getting an iPhone and 
> was wondering what the advantage of the 4S over the 4 is.  Anybody have any 
> ideas or comments for me?
> Thanks,
> Jim
> P.S.  Is there a dedicated iPhone list I should put this question to?
> Jim
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Re: Color Identifier for the iPhone 4S

[peter apgar]

Good afternoon,

 I have not had positive results  with this program.  for example, i have two 
colors of sox, black & white.  it can't identify them.  it comes up with brown 
almost every time.  i have followed their instructions for using white beside  
the item being scanned.  tells me that a white towel is also brown. it has been 
used in a  very well lit room.  i hope that others are finding this AP worth 
the  $.99.  i 

Pete
On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Mike,
> 
> The best color identifier I've found for the iPhone is aidColors.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 18 Feb 2012, at 16:46, Michael Busboom wrote:
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Since acquiring my iPhone 4S a little over a week ago, I have been 
>> downloading Apps with abandon and thoroughly enjoying the experience of 
>> using them.
>> 
>> Recently, I discovered an App called Color Detector.  It is a self-voicing 
>> App, so you don't even need VoiceOver.  However, the App's performance is 
>> extremely disappointing.  All it ever says when I point the camera is "Navy 
>> Blue."  Thinking that I was doing something wrong, I asked my sighted 
>> daughter to give the program a try, and her results weren't any better.  So, 
>> I was wondering if anyone knew of a color detection App that worked well 
>> with VoiceOver.
>> 
>> My best to all of you, and thanks so much for all of the help you have been 
>> giving me recently!
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
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Re: speaker on iPhone

[peter apgar]

this feature is still available.  three  things to try: 
1 with the phone away from your face turn the volume up.  often the speaker 
phone volume gets turned down.
2 wave a finger over the slot for the ear peace.  occasionally something blocks 
the sensor.
3 reboot the phone.  could be some sort of malfunction with code some where in 
the os.  

Good luck.

Pete
On Dec 19, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Jessica wrote:

> Is this just supposed to automatically supposed to do this by default any 
> time you take the phone away from you ear?  If that's the case, how do you 
> turn it off if you either realize you didn't want it on, or you did, and 
> you're done with it?
> Sorry to vere this subject off topic, just was curious, seeing as how I plan 
> to get the 4s soon, and could use some tips.
> - Original Message - From: "Gigi" 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:55 PM
> Subject: speaker on iPhone
> 
> 
> Hi guys.
> I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care about 
> this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.
> 
> I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
> working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
> the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
> the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I said, 
> it worked like a charm until two days ago.
> 
> Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
> keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
> need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly talking 
> into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I can get 
> the thing turned on.
> 
> I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
> something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really nice 
> if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
> nd speaker. This is a real pain with
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Esther and others,
>> 
>> My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not 
>> working.  What else can be going on?
>> 
>> Ezzie
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Esther > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
>> Subject: Ejecting a USB flash drive with a keyboard shortcut [was Re: 
>> MBPKeyboard]
>> 
>> Hi Ezzie and Others,
>> 
>> The usual reason that a drive fails to eject is that it is still in use. 
>> This could be either because a copy or write operation is still going on and 
>> transferring data, or because you have navigated into the file structure of 
>> the drive in Finder to query contents.  I do find that Command-E works to 
>> eject drives provided they are not in use, but there's nothing wrong with 
>> following either Ricardo's method with the context menu or Gigi's checks 
>> that the device is not active.  I've retitled the subject line to better 
>> reflect the content of the discussion.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:32, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I guess I'm old fashion.  lol.  I prefer to bring up the context menu with 
>> VO shift M and just press enter on eject.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>> www.mobileaccess.org
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Y'all.
>> Command E does not always work for me, especially on thumb drives.  I was 
>> told by Apple that if you are writing to the drive and it gets ejected too 
>> soon, you can mess up your thumb drive.  Therefore, these days I always 
>> check to see if my drive is on my list of active devices before I take it 
>> out.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ezzie,
>> 
>> Command+E should eject the drive.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ezzie bueno
>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:55 PM
>> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: MBP Keyboard
>> 
>> Hello list:
>> 
>> When I try and eject a USB flash drive, it will not eject.  I know I've got
>> it selected.
>> However, when I eject one on my sister's account, it ejects properly.  Is
>> there a setting I may have modified on my account that I shouldn't have?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ezzie Ez Bueno
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Re: Is there a hot key/shortcut key combo to turn screen curtain on and off?

[peter apgar]

good evening,

three finger tripple tap on the track pad does the same thing.

Pete
On Oct 19, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:

> Hi!
> Unless you have your f1 f2 and so on set to standard you'll have to add the 
> fn key to that stroke!
> hth Colin
> 
> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:05, Dan wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> It's VO Shift F11.
>> HTH
>> 
>> Dan
>> On Oct 19, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Christina wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> I am using Snow Leopard.  It seems at one time I learned how to turn screen 
>>> curtain on and off on my macbook.  However, I can't seem to find that 
>>> option nor can I find a shortcut key combination to toggle that.
>>> 
>>> Thanks so very much,
>>> Christina
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[peter apgar]

$1200.  for the 512 SSD.

Pete
On Feb 25, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I would but they don't come in 500 gb sizes yet. well they probably do but I 
> have to probably give them a whole lot of money right now. I'll wait until 
> the ssd drives come down to the ones we use now in terms of price. lol!
> 
> Take care all.
> Sarah Alawami
> 
> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to 
> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my 
> info is below.
> 
> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
> 
> website: http://music.marrie.org
> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
>> your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
>> bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
>> 
>> On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
>>> fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs. My
>>> mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
>>> Sarah Alawami
>>> 
>>> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
>>> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my
>>> info is below.
>>> 
>>> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> website: http://music.marrie.org
>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>> 
 Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
 looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
 difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
 
 On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
> i know
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> If it is, you're screwed.
>> 
>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>> Skype: leogirl48
>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>> 
>> i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements are.
>>> 
>>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>>> Skype: leogirl48
>>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>>> 
>>> i can't say yet
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
 gigs
>>> of
 ram.
 
 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
 
 i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
 
 On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 
> I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to the
 task. :(
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
> 
>> Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta testers?
>>> This
 is very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It
 needs
>>> to
 be tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers
 etc,
>>> I'm
 not sure if there are any blind VoiceOver  beta testers of  Lion.
>> 
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Re: Mac OS X Lion

[peter apgar]

Scott,

what are   your thoughts on SSD VS conventional hard drives?  Are they 
worth the price increase.


Thanks,

Pete

 Feb 25, 2011, at 7:18 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> SSD is still pretty expensive.  They have a 500 GB Mac SSD drive though for 
> the laptops.  (might even have a larger by now)
> 
> 
> The most SSD I've ever seen was the 4.5 petabytes of online SSD storage at 
> Dream Works.
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> You will be waiting a hell of a long time.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> I would but they don't come in 500 gb sizes yet. well they probably do but 
>>> I have to probably give them a whole lot of money right now. I'll wait 
>>> until the ssd drives come down to the ones we use now in terms of price. 
>>> lol!
>>> 
>>> Take care all.
>>> Sarah Alawami
>>> 
>>> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to 
>>> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my 
>>> info is below.
>>> 
>>> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> website: http://music.marrie.org
>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>> 
 If your experiencing slow writes, get an SSD. If your utilising all of
 your 4GB then perhaps an upgrade is in order, but SSD's decrease
 bootup time and the time it takes to open apps amongst other things.
 
 On 25/02/2011, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Actually I might bun my next laptop up to 8 but tha'ts just me. Iwant the
> fasted thing inteh universe, Ok not really but I'm not happy wiht 4 gigs. 
> My
> mac still slows down when saving  a 4 hour long file lol!
> Sarah Alawami
> 
> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to
> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my
> info is below.
> 
> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
> 
> website: http://music.marrie.org
> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> Lets be honest though, it's not like ram is expencive unless your
>> looking for ddr which you won't be. Even on sl, you should see a
>> difference if you bump it up to 2 or 4GB.
>> 
>> On 25/02/2011, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>>> i know
>>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 If it is, you're screwed.
 
 Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
 Skype: leogirl48
 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:47 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
 
 i hope that it isn't over 1 gb
 
 On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the ram requirements are.
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> Skype: leogirl48
> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:27 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
> 
> i can't say yet
> 
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two
>> gigs
> of
>> ram.
>> 
>> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
>> Skype: leogirl48
>> Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion
>> 
>> i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time.
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to 
>>> the
>> task. :(
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>> 
 Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver

Re: hot key for time

[peter apgar]

thank you Sir.
On Dec 6, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Rafaela Freundt wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> you have to have the keyboard commander activated with vo shift k. then, you 
> have to set a key to use this commands, the default is one of the option 
> keys. I have my right option key that I don't use as much, but you can set 
> any other modifier key if you want.
> The time command is that modifier key, in my case right option key plus the 
> letter t.
> 
> Rafaela Freundt
> 
> E-mail/MSN: rafafreu...@gmail.com
> 
> Skype: rafafreundt
> 
> El 06/12/2010, a las 22:01, peter apgar escribió:
> 
>> Good evening all,
>> 
>> i  seam to have forgotten the hot key for checking the time.  
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Pete
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hot key for time

[peter apgar]

Good evening all,

i  seam to have forgotten the hot key for checking the time.  

Thanks in advance,

Pete

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Re: watching TV on my Mac preferably live

[peter apgar]

is there a wireless way to do this?

Pete
On Nov 28, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Jeff Berwick wrote:

> You can use EyeTV.  It is pretty accessible.  It connects to your Mac through 
> USB and then into your cable.
> Jeff
> 
> On 2010-11-27, at 9:12 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Is there a way to watch TV on my Mac, preferably live TV? If so, how can 
>> this be done?
>> Courtney
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Re: Free Mac 10.6 tutorial

[peter apgar]

Thanks.  would you send it to me.  sounds like a great switcher document.
  

Thanks,

PeteOn Nov 27, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Alfredo wrote:

> Back then on June I got a Mac Laptop and created a tutorial, about 55
> pages and have turn it into a pdf file anyone can request from me.  If
> anyone is interested in the tutorial, which is designed for new Mac OS
> 10.6 with Voice Over users, feel free to email me.
> Sincerely,
> Alfredo Holguin
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Re: Vo muted. How to unmute

[peter apgar]

Three finger double tap on the touch pad.

Pete
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> Title says it all 
> How do 
> I unmute
> 
> Thanks
> 
> ScottSent from my iPod
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Re: Weird Safari issue/voiceover restarting

[peter apgar]

Thank you.  to know that i am not imagining these issues and that others can 
confirm them makes me feel better.

thanks again,

Pete
On Aug 23, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Well I think my advice was not very good at all. I only gave you bad news but 
> sometimes such is life eh?
> 
> Good luck with your safari bug and try webkit maybe. http://webkit.org. I'm 
> actually thinking of adding a mac section to my sight when I get the time.
> 
> Take care.
> Sarah Alawami
> MSN: marri...@gmail.com 
> aim: marri...@gmail.com:
> 
> website: http://music.marrie.org
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
> 
> On Aug 23, 2010, at 5:07 PM, carlene knight wrote:
> 
>> Thanks.  Much appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 23, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> No it should not  have anything to do with your  cd, I hope? Safari is 
>>> known as of now for these bugs. I myself have tried a reinstall with no 
>>> success. Glad I did it but still no success.
>>> 
>>> Take care.
>>> Sarah Alawami
>>> MSN: marri...@gmail.com 
>>> aim: marri...@gmail.com:
>>> 
>>> website: http://music.marrie.org
>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
>>> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2010, at 4:24 PM, carlene knight wrote:
>>> 
 Hi:
 
 I wripped a CD of mine for my own use with a bad track and now I can't use 
 Safari without VO restarting every time I try to navigate.  We are using 
 Spaces, but have been for quite some time with no problems.  Does anybody 
 know if this problem could be connected with the CD?  Could a Mac be prey 
 to another Media Max attack?  It was a commercial CD.
 
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Re: problems with safari & google

[peter apgar]

I have tried to follow these instructions.  However VO restarts every time i 
try to navigate.  i guess i will need to load WEB KIT.

Thanks to everyone for there responses.

Pete
On Aug 23, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> I'm not having any problems at all with Safari and Google.
> 
> I press Command-Option-f to get to the Google search field, enter my terms 
> and press Return.
> 
> When I hear the page load, I press VO-Command-l 3 times to get to the first 
> result.
> 
> I have web navigation set to Groups mode. I do this endless times throughout 
> the day and have never had a problem.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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problems with safari & google

[peter apgar]

Good day,

 I have been able to use google until this morning.  After editing 
one's search criteria VO comes back with an empty window.  Has something 
changed so that google is no longer accessible?

Thanks in advance.

Pete

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RE: the apple user?

[peter Apgar]

I would have to agree.  Mac's spread sheath software doesn't hold a candle
to excel.  I have problems similar to ones previously listed in this thread
with searches.As for formulas I have had issues with complex reference
formulas.  I will also note that many of my problems with the Mac are a
result of not being able to spend enough time with the different programs.
My job requires complex tasks with excel and those are often transferable to
my personal life with budgeting payment calculations ect.  The largest
hurdle to using the Mac is weather or not you can incorporate it to your
employment.  If this is the case there is not a better system out there.  If
your  required to operate windows  and many of the MS programs the
transition can be a killer.  Bring on MS office in Coco.  Sorry for the
rant.

Pete

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Roy
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the apple user?

Buddy:

yes, I did try tables, and, yes, it will read the contents of a cell,
however, I had 1 heck of a time with it reading formulas, the type of column
I was in etc.  Also, I could find no easy way to have it read the row and
column at the same time.  yes, it's somewhat usable in a pinch.  However,
unfortunately, nothing like jaws and Excel.  I wish it was different, and,
it could be that I am not knowledgeable enough to get it going as well as I
should.  If you have suggestions, I am listening with vary open ears, grins!


On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:22 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Have you tried tables? 
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> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Dan Roy wrote:
> 
>> I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main
machine.  However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a good 1.
I am forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now anyway!
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> good morning Denise,
>>> 
>>> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating
that the Mac can be used as a productivity tool.  I am a University
professor (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish
meaning) which means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student exams
and to carry out other functions.  However, I have not totally abandoned my
Dell.  While the word processor in iWork 09 is accessible, I don't like
either the Numbers spreadsheet application or indeed the access provided by
VO.  It's just an opinion, and no doubt the zealots on this list will
vehemently disagree, but I still believe that the browsing of spreadsheets
using Jaws is unparallelled.  Vo lacks the kinds of semantic access to this
kind of data that Jaws/Excel provide.  
>>> 
>>> I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a
lovely PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in full-screen
mode.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders 
 office. And my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction 
 attorney is to write briefs, with case citations.
 
 I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to 
 others about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot.
 
 So thanks.
 
 
 
 
 
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 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John J Herzog
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: the apple user?
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law 
 school, and who has used his computer at a summer internship with 
 Pepsico, I feel I can helpfully answer your questions.
 
 Forgive the length of this email. 
 
 First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter
nonsense.
 On my mac, I do use the apps like Itunes and Ichat, but I use 
 serious apps as well. Iwork is quite accessible, as is text edit, 
 allowing you to do extensive formatting of documents. Also, the 
 preview application on the mac is one of the best PDF readers I 
 have ever seen. The text is readable with voiceover, and there are 
 few, if any crashes. What other screen readers can you say that about?
 
 
 
 Next, I will address your concern about microsoft office 
 applications not being accessible. It is true that they do not work 
 with voiceover. However, for about seventy dollars, you can pick up a
program called VMware fusion.
 Fusion allows you to install windows and run it at the same time as 
 your mac. This means that you can use whatever screen reader you 
 like for wind

Re: using facebook with safari

[peter apgar]

sorry the norm around here is the mobile.


Pete
On Mar 14, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Ronit Ovadia Mazzoni wrote:

> Hello all,
> I'm new to the list and new to using Mac. I just got my mac mini two weeks 
> ago and so far I'm really enjoying it. One thing I'd like to know is if any 
> of you use the regular facebook site with safari and voiceover successfully? 
> I'm having trouble locating edit boxes on the site. For example, updating 
> status messages, writing on people's walls, etc. Of course I can do this by 
> accessing the mobile site but the mobile site is not as powerful as the full 
> site and I'd like to use the full site if possible. If any of you have any 
> tricks or tips, I'd love to hear them.
> Thanks.
> Ronit
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Fwd: garageband accessibility

[peter apgar]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Esther 
> Date: December 1, 2009 2:04:28 AM EST
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: garageband accessibility
> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> Hello Justin,
> 
> This isn't Ginny, but she posted to the vimac-audio list that she  
> uploaded her VO buttons labeled in GB5 and Logic Pro to the vimac- 
> audio page files.  Go to page for uploaded vimac-audio files:
> 
> http://groups.google.com:80/group/vimac-audio/files?hl=en
> 
> Use item chooser menu to look for "VoiceOver Labels.voprefs" (without  
> the quotes).  Then, when you are on the link, press Option-Return to  
> download the file.  (If you just VO-Space on the link it will simply  
> display the contents in your browser).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> On Nov 30, 2009, Justin Kauflin wrote:
> 
>> Ginny,
>>I would also be very interested in checking out those labels for
>> Garage Band. .
>> Peace
>> Justin
>> 
>> On Nov 4, 1:13 pm, "Ginny Owens"  wrote:
>>> I have almost all my buttons labeled in Logic 9 if anyone wants  
>>> them.  I
>>> just have to figure out how to export them.  I have many of the  
>>> buttons in
>>> GB 5 labeled or re-labeled with better info as well.
>>> 
>>> Ginny Owens
>>> Official site:  http://www.ginnyowens.com
>>> MySpace:  http://www.myspace.com/ginnyowens
>>> Be my fan on Facebook:  http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ginny-Owens/7671492734
>>> 
>>> Be my friend on 
>>> Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/people/Ginny-Owens/742018292
>>> Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/ginnyowens
>>> iLike:  http://www.ilike.com/artist/Ginny+Owens
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ben mustill- 
>>> rose
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:48 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re:garagebandaccessibility
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that they only work on machines with a 15  
>>> screen, due to
>>> the scripts actually moving the cursor and clicking on the required  
>>> button
>>> when a hotkey is pressed.
>>> 
>>> Its far from ideal and the people (One does the scripting and  
>>> another does
>>> the documentation - the documentation guy's the musical one) kno  
>>> this, but
>>> at th end of the day, its better than nothing. I've heard songs  
>>> that have
>>> been produced in logic using the scripts and they seem good enough.
>>> 
>>> I've just emailed him.
>>> 
>>> On 04/11/2009, Scott Chesworth  wrote:
>>> 
 Ben - I know the chap of whom you speak, and it's worth an ask.
 Something to keep in mind though folks if you're waiting on this  
 with
 bated breath is that these Logic scripts haven't really been
 thoroughly finished or tested, and last I heard the future of
 development was a bit up in the air.  Don't get me wrong they're  
 cool
 for what they are and I'm grateful that they exist, so long as they
 work on your system, but there's a big difference between these and
 the native accessibility that really should be there by now.  Come  
 to
 think of it there's probably a significant difference too between  
 what
 these can do and what a good scripter could probably put out now  
 that
 VO and Aplle Script play nice, but that's just speculation.  I say  
 it
 almost everytime I post, but if you have any interest in either  
 Logic
 orGarageband, make sure that Apple know that by emailing
 accessibil...@apple.com.  They won't say much back currently, just
 thank you for your interest, but increased numbers showing  
 interest is
 probably our best chance of seeing some changes at this stage.
>>> 
 Anouk - Logic is more like Apple's competitor to Pro Tools.  You'll
 find that many many studios and musicians tend to be using one or  
 the
 other as their main app.  It's a big step up fromGarageband
 capability and features wise, and would take most people a lot  
 longer
 to learn and figure out because the user interface is huge in
 comparrison.  Garageband, if and when it's ever fully accessible, is
 one of the coolest products I've ever seen for someone who isn't a  
 pro
 musician, being both simple to use and still fairly powerful.  Make
 sure Apple know that you're itching to use it.
>>> 
 Cheers
 Scott
>>> 
 anouk radix wrote:
> Hello, Logic is sort of the full version ofgarageband, right?
> Greetings, AnoukOn Nov 3, 2009, at 11:13 PM, ben mustill-rose  
> wrote:
>>> 
>> I still need to speak to my friend to see if he'll share his
>> scripts to make logic accessible.
>>> 
>> Will do that asap; it would make more sence to use logic as  
>> apposed
>> to garage band given its feature list and the low price.
>>> 
>> On 03/11/2009, anouk radix  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I was thinking now that there is 

Re: vo scripts fore garage band?

[peter apgar]

who do you think you are?  i will state that Slau  did a wonderful job.  so 
drop it!   If your hear to pick fights take a hike and save us the time of 
reading your garbage.

for the rest of the list my apologies for my clutter.

Pete.  
On Mar 11, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Carolyn wrote:

> Ok, Slau, point taken.  However, since you've moderated a list, you might 
> understand the pointlessness of one word questions in response to someone's 
> quiery.   Besides, this is a mac list, and one would think 
> information should be exchanged willingly re anything to do with mac and 
> accessibility.  I guess I can see why you don't moderate this list anymore.
> Have a great day.
>  
> Carolyn
> ch:)
> - Original Message -
> From: Slau Halatyn
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: vo scripts fore garage band?
> 
> Hi Carolyn,   
> 
> Hmm, where do I start? First of all, I hardly think my quizzical response is 
> much of a contributor to the "pointless traffic" on the list. As a former 
> moderator of this list, I know all too well about pointless traffic. What I 
> feel troubles the list more is traffic that is really meant for a different 
> list like, say, how to run Windows and JAWS on a Mac.
> 
> Second, if the point of your posting to your objection to my laconic response 
> was to direct it toward the list in general, then you should have simply done 
> so. Otherwise, if it was specifically directed toward me, you should have 
> simply followed your own advice to not clutter the list with "pointless 
> traffic" and sent me a private message.
> 
> Slau
> 
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> 
>> Slau:
>> If you're asking a question, it makes no sense and creates pointless 
>> traffic.  If you're making a point, could you please elaborate?
>> TIA
>>  
>> Carolyn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Slau Halatyn
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 6:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: vo scripts fore garage band?
>> 
>> Scripts?
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2010, at 2:57 AM, hank smith wrote:
>> 
>>> hello where can I get vo scripts fore garage band?
>>> also how do I install them?
>>> Hank
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Re: need a little help, (ot) reply:

[peter apgar]

i would have to agree with bill,  i tested the pages and had no problems/ hang 
times or even general slowness.  i would love to be able to trouble shoot for 
you but am no where  close to the right person for that.  good luck with your 
troubles.

Pete
On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

> we have come to our senses going to concentrate on doing anything to make my 
> site better and just leave them alone.  i did post to facebook and myspace 
> which made me feel better but is something mostly only friends will see.  
> still mad as heck but the only ideas i had would have just given them 
> attention which is what i don't want.  thanks and take care, max
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Bill Sprenger wrote:
> 
>> Max, Bill here. As far as my MBP13 is concerned, site works just fine; oh 
>> maybe a little slow in loading; however that can probably be explained by 
>> all the graphics; but no errors here; advice: stay off the war-path, eh?
>> Cheers: Bill
>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello list;  I need a little help here.  I need one person using an apple 
>>> laptop or desktop to visit a website for me and let me know if it is broken 
>>> or if I've been blocked from visiting it.  I've had some harsh words with 
>>> the owner and he threatened to bar me from his site.  I don't believe i did 
>>> anything wrong, nor do my friend and family; but I need to know what's 
>>> happening before I go to war with this fellow.  so, if one of you could 
>>> just go to www.usedrides.com  and see if its up and running or if its 
>>> giving a nul error message, I would be very greatful.  Thank and take care, 
>>> Max
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Re: 3D audio game

[peter apgar]

Good day Yuma,

Please ad me to that list of interested  participants.
On Feb 27, 2010, at 1:03 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> Hey list,
> 
> I've looked deeper into the unity 3D engine and it's audio capabilities, and 
> with my team have thought up a game in multiplayer mode for the iphone which 
> pits sighted players against blind players, whereas the latter will use full 
> 3D audio to move and interact around. They will have augmented powers in 
> audio form which allows them to hear sighted players move farther away than 
> the sighted do. We were also thinking about magic spells for the blind 
> players and a full control system with inventory, barter system, dialogue 
> system and using an acapella voice, one of the british male ones, for the 
> narrative and object information.
> 
> This engine is in Java form when scripting links between components, but 
> we're looking into the feasibility of voice over integration within unity for 
> labelling purposes.
> 
> I think that by increasing CPU usage on an audio only game experience, we can 
> bump up the audio quality as well as positional relations/effects modulation 
> on the fly without taxing the system too much. Think two versions of the app. 
> The visual one and the audio only one.
> 
> This is still at concept stage, but tests are already undergoing to make this 
> a reality.
> 
> If anyone is interested please do let me know, as i will require feedback on 
> the first builds of the game.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Yuma Decaux
> 
> Light has no value without darkness
> Skype: shainobi1
> blog: www.theblindsamurai.com
> twitter: www.twitter.com/triple7
> Tel: +85513623378
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Re: interesting article on bionic sight

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keep up the hope.  it was great reading it.  Thanks for the great post.

Pete
On Feb 20, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've posted this as a fragment of what is happening in the bionic research 
> world. I myself probably have optical nerve damage due to the trauma i've 
> suffered.
> 
> But when you think of the advancements of bio-mechanics and genetics. these 
> options will create or facilitate techniques for the deeper interventions 
> required. Call me an optimist, but i do believe very strongly that there will 
> be heaps of advancements in all areas of synthetic vision.
> 
> I apologize if i have offended anyone on this subject, but i guess my hyped 
> attitude is due to my still newborn status as a cane-walker. I haven't even 
> gotten to my habilitation course yet :)
> 
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> 
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Re: itunes with voice over

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good evening,

interact with the songs list. when vo reads the song you want to add 
hit vo shift m and select add to play list.  hit enter and arrow to the play 
list your interested in adding the song to and hit enter again.  Please note 
that for this to work you must be interacting with the songs list.

Pete
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> help help guys going crazy  i tried all after noon and was on the
> phone with apple and they didnt know what to do  but i am trying to
> add  music tracks manualy to my ipod  didnt know i needed to drag and
> drop i have a feeling voice over will do drag and drop  just how  or
> if there is a easy way to add my music tracks  manualy please tell me
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Re: New-World vs Old-World Computing…

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Cara,

thanks for the excellent post.  it is a very proactive view point.  

bring onthe future.

Pete
On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:

>  Good day All!
> 
>  I thought I'd post the below, as I believe its sentiments are particularly 
> relevant to our discussions of late, as well as to how VI / blind users deal 
> with digital access in its current incarnation. 
> 
>  I'll include both the link and the blog posting itself for convenience. 
> 
>  Be warned, this is not only a long post, but does contain the occasional bit 
> of colorful vocab. So if you're sensitive to that sort of thing, then you may 
> choose to pass it over. It's up to you…
> 
>  Anyway, Thanks to Josh de Lioncourt for finding this tidbit. 
> 
>  EnJoy, and have a lovely day!…
> 
> Smiles,
> 
> Cara :)
> 
> link to post:
> 
> http://stevenf.tumblr.com/post/359224392/i-need-to-talk-to-you-about-computers-ive-been
>  
> 
> Blog post:
> 
> I need to talk to you about computers. I’ve been on a veritable 
> roller-coaster of “how I feel” about the iPad announcement, and trying not to 
> write about it until I had at least an inkling of what was at the root of 
> that.
> Before we begin, a reminder: On this blog, I speak only for myself, not for 
> my company or my co-workers.
> The thing is, to talk about specific hardware (like the iPad or iPhone or 
> Nexus One or Droid) is to miss entirely the point I’m about to try to make. 
> This is more important than USB ports, GPS modules, or front-facing cameras. 
> Gigabytes, gigahertz, megapixels, screen resolution, physical dimensions, 
> form factors, in fact hardware in general — these are all irrelevant to the 
> following discussion. So, I’m going to try to completely avoid talking about 
> those sorts of things.
> Let’s instead establish some new terminology: Old World and New World 
> computing.
> Introduction
> Personal computing — having a computer in your house (or your pocket) — as a 
> whole is young. As we know it today, it’s less than a half-century old. It’s 
> younger than TV, younger than radio, younger than cars and airplanes, younger 
> than quite a few living people in fact.
> In that really incredibly short space of time we’ve gone from 
> punchcards-and-printers to interactive terminals with command lines to 
> window-and-mouse interfaces, each a paradigm shift unto themselves. A lot of 
> thoughtful people, many of whom are bloggers, look at this history and say, 
> “Look at this march of progress! Surely the desktop + windows + mouse 
> interface can’t be the end of the road? What’s next?”
> Then “next” arrived and it was so unrecognizable to most of them (myself 
> included) that we looked at it said, “What in the shit is this?”
> The Old World
> In the Old World, computers are general purpose, do-it-all machines. They can 
> do hundreds of thousands of different things, sometimes all at the same time. 
> We buy them for pennies, load them up to the gills with whatever we feel 
> like, and then we pay for it with instability, performance degradation, 
> viruses, and steep learning curves. Old World computers can do pretty much 
> anything, but carry the burden of 30 years of rapid, unplanned change. 
> Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X based computers all fall into this category.
> The New World
> In the New World, computers are task-centric. We are reading email, browsing 
> the web, playing a game, but not all at once. Applications are sandboxed, 
> then moats dug around the sandboxes, and then barbed wire placed around the 
> moats. As a direct result, New World computers do not need virus scanners, 
> their batteries last longer, and they rarely crash, but their users have lost 
> a degree of freedom. New World computers have unprecedented ease of use, and 
> benefit from decades of research into human-computer interaction. They are 
> immediately understandable, fast, stable, and laser-focused on the 80% of the 
> famous 80/20 rule.
> Is the New World better than the Old World? Nothing’s ever simply black or 
> white.
> Floppy Disks
> An anecdote: When the iMac came out, Apple drew a line in the sand. They 
> said: we are no longer going to ship a computer with a floppy disk drive. The 
> entire industry shit its pants so loudly and forcefully that you probably 
> could have heard it from outer space.
> Are you insane? I spent all this money on a floppy drive! All my software is 
> on floppy disks! You’ve committed brand suicide! Nobody will stand for this!
> Fast-forward to today. I can’t think of a single useful thing to do with a 
> floppy disk. I can go to the supermarket and buy a CD, DVD, or flash drive 
> that is faster, smaller, and stores 1,000 times as much data for typically 
> less than a box of floppies used to cost. Or better still, we can just toss 
> things to each other over the network.
> To get there, yes, we had to throw away some of our investment in hardware. 
> We had to re-think how we did things. It required adjustment. A bit of 
> 

importing to i photo

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Good evening all,

I am looking for some  directions on how to import a folder of photo's 
that I have copied from my windows system.  They are on the desktop and I can't 
seam to import them  to an album I have created in Iphoto.  any directions 
would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: using Facebook on the Mac?

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it is far easier from your Iphone.

pete
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> Hi all,
> 
> Anyone had much luck with this?  I'm trying it out, and finding it  
> very hard to get around and figure out how to do things.  If anyone  
> has tips for using Facebook on the Mac, I'd appreciate any info.
> TIA,
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Re: iTunes and time jump, can it be done?

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Esther your the best,

are these apple scripts functional with SL?
I would like to thank you for all of your postings they have become a 
Mac bible for me. Best wishes for the new year and thanks in advance for any 
upcoming posts.

Pete
On Dec 27, 2009, at 8:49 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Lynn,
> 
> The easiest way to do what you want is to download the "RestartAt"  
> AppleScript from Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver Downloads page:
> 
> http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/downloads.html
> 
> I'm going to shortcut my explanation and point you to the last  
> detailed description I wrote of how to use this from the  
> macvisionaries archive:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg09299.html
> (Re: finding playback position in ituens, was creating ringtones)
> 
> Skip the first 3 paragraphs (which were about setting start and stop  
> times for making ringtones), and start reading  at paragraph 4, which  
> begins, "An easier way to make these adjustments is to get a copy of  
> the "RestartAt" AppleScript from Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver Downloads  
> page…"
> 
> The rest of the post describes how AppleScripts work, and how you can  
> set this up.  Basically, for any track that you start playing in  
> iTunes (whether podcast, audiobook, music, movie, etc.), if you select  
> the track, and then run "RestartAt" (which will appear as a menu  
> option in an AppleScript menu on your iTunes menu bar once you  
> download the AppleScript and put it in your Library/iTunes/Scripts  
> folder), you'll be prompted for the time at which you want to start  
> playing the track.  If you carriage return, it will use your current  
> position (which you'll also be informed of in the dialog window).
> 
> HTH.  Just make sure that you actually started the track playing and  
> paused it before you run the script.  There's a shortcut sequence that  
> used to guarantee the track was selected, but with all the recent  
> tweaks in iTunes behavior, I wouldn't want to try running down the  
> sequence and checking the circumstances under which that works right  
> now -- simpler to just tell you to make sure the track is "active".
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Lynn Schneider wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone.  Is there a way to do a time jump in iTunes?  I like to  
>> put on a podcast to relax myself before I fall asleep, and many  
>> times I will have listened to an hour or so of the podcast before  
>> drifting off, so the next day, I want to skip ahead to a specific  
>> time.  I know about command-option-right and left arrows, but that  
>> is very slow.  I did see something while poking around in the  
>> information menu that says start time and end time, but I can't  
>> quite get that to work.  Any assistance with this would be most  
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Lynn Schneider
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Re: multiple copies being posted

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Cara,

thanks for the update.  it is greatly appreciated.

Merry christmas & happy holidays,

Pete
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>  Pete and list, while I personally haven't been seeing this, I've no doubt 
> others are, as this does happen with Google Groups from time to time. 
> 
>  I'm very sorry for the inconvenience and unfortunately, there seems to be no 
> way to stop these sorts of issues. Believe me, Josh and I have tried time and 
> time again to deal with these, and others as well. 
> 
>  We sure will keep y'all apprized if we do find anything out in regard to 
> such issues.
> 
>  Once again, so sorry for the inconvenience and I wish you and yours a most 
> lovely holiday season!!!
> 
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> Good evening,
> 
> As this was an issue earlier, it is not only Michael's mailings that are 
> being posted numerous times.  Is there a way for someone to reset the system 
> , or is it some odd setting on my system that is causing this?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Pete
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multiple copies being posted

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Good evening,

As this was an issue earlier, it is not only Michael's mailings that are being 
posted numerous times.  Is there a way for someone to reset the system , or is 
it some odd setting on my system that is causing this?

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Re: mouseovers and voiceover

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Dude,

Lay off!  Multiple postings will not help your cause.   This is more 
then five postings.  People will get back to you with responses when they have 
one.

pete 
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> Hi All, does anyone have any good tips for interacting with mouseovers in 
> safari?  Two examples I'm thinking of are:  The new privacy settings in 
> facebook where only the  currently selected option gets keyboard focus.  
> Also, at last.fm where you can highlight an artist in your library and the 
> delete option appears.  In both cases, it does not seem possible to move the 
> VO cursor to the mouseover options.
> thanks for any thoughts.  
> 
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Re: vmware and key combinations

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is 4 GHZ of ram enough to run both systems efficiently?

Thanks in advance,

Pete
On Dec 17, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:

> Hi Paul.
> 
> When you are in a virtual machine in Fusion, the option key is your alt key, 
> and the command key is your windows key. So therefore, you just have to press 
> option tab to make a alt tab in your virtual windows, and command tab to 
> switch over to your Mac applications. Awesome, isn't it?
> 
> Regarding the applications key, you can use a little freeware program called 
> Sharp keys to remap a key to the applications key, and you can also remap a 
> insert key. I have remapped my right option key to the insert key, and my 
> right command key to the applications key.
> 
> I highly recommend you to switch to full screen when running a virtual 
> machine. You can do that by pressing control command return or you can choose 
> it from the toolbar. Voiceover doesn't need to be turned off when running a 
> virtual machine. I  have used both Fusion and other applications on my mac at 
> the same time.
> Best regards
> Søren Jensen
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> Den Dec 17, 2009 kl. 7:43 PM skrev Paul Erkens:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I installed vm ware a few days ago, but I am not happy with it. The keys I 
>> press don't do what they normally do in windows, and obviously there are 
>> good reasons for it. I checked the vm ware website, but there is only a half 
>> accessible pdf file, that doesn't contain the info I need.
>> 
>> I alt plus tab a lot in windows. However, the command tab combination from 
>> within windows in vm ware, takes me to the mac os, and back, rather than 
>> switching from program to program inside vm's virtual machine. What can I do 
>> to set command plus tab to do an alt plus tab inside vm ware?
>> 
>> 2. How do I simulate the application key? The mac has none.
>> 
>> 3. How should I simulate a shift plus f10? Simply presing this combination 
>> stops windows from responding, inside vm ware. Do we press another key to 
>> simulate a shift f10?
>> 
>> 4. It seems that voice over must be turned off, before starting windows in 
>> vm ware. This is said to be true starting in vm ware fusion version 3. At 
>> what point should I do this?
>> 
>> 5. Is it easiest to run windows inside vm ware in a normal window, or rather 
>> full screen?
>> 
>> Interested to know.
>> Best,
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Re: MacBook Pro and the trackpad

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it is possible that you downloaded an update and it shut off the track 
commander.  check under VO controls, and turn it back on.  I have had this 
exact experience  happen when  running updates.

good luck

Pete
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> Hi All,
> 
> I have a one month old MacBook Pro. Today the trackpad was not working. I 
> restarted the computer and it worked again as expected. This evening, 
> however, it is not working again. I really enjoy using the trackpad with 
> VoiceOver. Does anybody have any idea how to troubleshoot this?
> 
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> 
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Re: muting speech?

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On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

> function f ten eleven or t  additionaly if you have the glass track pad a 
> three finger double tap  

> On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Isn't there a keystroke for this?  I thought there was, but I can't  
>> seem to find it.
>> Best,
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Re: Mac Mail

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Under the mailbox icon after hitting VO try get all new mail.  I had this 
happen once.  This resolved the issue.  Some how it got confused.  if this does 
not work you may need to rebuild the account.

Pete
On Dec 5, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Marc Grossman wrote:

> I am using Mac mail to access a school e-mail account.  It is an IMAP 
> account.  I set up the account and for the first couple of weeks, it was 
> working fine.  Now, I can only send mail but cannot receive mail.  I checked 
> with the school help desk but they cannot locate the problem.  We checked the 
> port.  We checked the port using terminal.  We checked the username and 
> password.  We checked the Internet connection.  I am still receiving mail in 
> Mac mail with my Gmail account.  I have AT&T as my DSL connection.  
> 
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Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

[peter apgar]

Chris,

please accept my sincere apologies.  the below message was not the 
completed response i had intended on posting.  after reading the below posting 
i have unintentuly  falsely targeted you personally.  My intent was to poke fun 
and note one of my own experiences.  however i have now made an official as* 
out of myself and would like to apologize to you and the list for the poor post.

My sincere apologies,

Pete
On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:20 PM, peter apgar wrote:

> you should be committed.  it's your fault for assuming.  learn to communicate 
> and all of your listed issues will be resolved.
> 
> Good luck, Go nfb   :(
> 
> On  Dec 1, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
> 
>> I am so sick of teaching random citizens about guide dogs, blindness, that I 
>> don't need a wheelchair or assistance walking up a jet way, how I can dial a 
>> telephone, how I can pee into a urinal without missing - you name it, that I 
>> can almost explode.
>> 
>> An anecdote:  In Harvard Square, the rapid transit terminal has both bus and 
>> subway connections.  I was working in Watertown (one town to the northwest 
>> of Cambridge, and I rode a bus to work.  After getting down the stairs, I 
>> started walking to the indoor bus stop.  Some random do-gooder came upon me 
>> and said, "You're going the wrong way."
>> 
>> I made the assumption that he was someone who took the same bus as me and 
>> that somehow I had become disoriented.  No such luck - this bugger led me to 
>> the subway where I proceeded to start hitting him with my cane as I had 
>> missed my bus and would need to wait another half hour for the next one 
>> because of his moronic assumption.
>> 
>> Sometimes violence can feel real good.
>> 
>> cdh  
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>> 
>>> I love conversations like that! It's a rare treat for me when  
>>> someone comes up and says, basically, "You're different from me and  
>>> that fascinates me, and I want to learn."  Usually what I get is  
>>> "You're different from me and that makes me afraid, so I'm going to  
>>> control what I fear so that it can't hurt me."
>>> 
>>> Growing up, I was taught that "It's your task to educate the sighted  
>>> about the blind."  In adult life, I realized that not only was this a  
>>> pointless and thankless task, but it was a very heavy cross to bear,  
>>> one that I had not asked for.  Now, when someone is courageous enough  
>>> to confront me as different and therefore stimulating, I feel  
>>> privileged to talk to them; the rest of the people I don't bother  
>>> trying to educate, because all the words in the world will not  
>>> convince a scared or superstitious or xenophobic person to change  
>>> their thinking patterns.  Spent a half an hour with such an individual  
>>> explaining how blind people use a computer or a dog, and they'll still  
>>> shriek in panic and grab at you when stairs are present, or start  
>>> talking to people around you about what you need, etc.  Being cute and  
>>> female never hurts, either. :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>> 
>>> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>> MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>> My home page:
>>> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

[peter apgar]

you should be committed.  it's your fault for assuming.  learn to communicate 
and all of your listed issues will be resolved.

Good luck, Go nfb   :(

On  Dec 1, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:

> I am so sick of teaching random citizens about guide dogs, blindness, that I 
> don't need a wheelchair or assistance walking up a jet way, how I can dial a 
> telephone, how I can pee into a urinal without missing - you name it, that I 
> can almost explode.
> 
> An anecdote:  In Harvard Square, the rapid transit terminal has both bus and 
> subway connections.  I was working in Watertown (one town to the northwest of 
> Cambridge, and I rode a bus to work.  After getting down the stairs, I 
> started walking to the indoor bus stop.  Some random do-gooder came upon me 
> and said, "You're going the wrong way."
> 
> I made the assumption that he was someone who took the same bus as me and 
> that somehow I had become disoriented.  No such luck - this bugger led me to 
> the subway where I proceeded to start hitting him with my cane as I had 
> missed my bus and would need to wait another half hour for the next one 
> because of his moronic assumption.
> 
> Sometimes violence can feel real good.
> 
> cdh  
> 
> 
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> 
>> I love conversations like that! It's a rare treat for me when  
>> someone comes up and says, basically, "You're different from me and  
>> that fascinates me, and I want to learn."  Usually what I get is  
>> "You're different from me and that makes me afraid, so I'm going to  
>> control what I fear so that it can't hurt me."
>> 
>> Growing up, I was taught that "It's your task to educate the sighted  
>> about the blind."  In adult life, I realized that not only was this a  
>> pointless and thankless task, but it was a very heavy cross to bear,  
>> one that I had not asked for.  Now, when someone is courageous enough  
>> to confront me as different and therefore stimulating, I feel  
>> privileged to talk to them; the rest of the people I don't bother  
>> trying to educate, because all the words in the world will not  
>> convince a scared or superstitious or xenophobic person to change  
>> their thinking patterns.  Spent a half an hour with such an individual  
>> explaining how blind people use a computer or a dog, and they'll still  
>> shriek in panic and grab at you when stairs are present, or start  
>> talking to people around you about what you need, etc.  Being cute and  
>> female never hurts, either. :)
>> 
>> 
>> Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>> 
>> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>> My home page:
>> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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ignore previous post: formulas in numbers

[peter apgar]

Sorry all  was having some dificulty with vo and numbers.  all is good now.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Pete,  

Begin forwarded message:

> From: peter apgar 
> Date: November 24, 2009 9:05:35 PM EST
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: formulas in numbers
> 
> Good evening all,
> using numbers I  am having a hard time with composition of formulas.  
> for example in excel one would rite  =b3-b7 and it would calculate.  how does 
> one reference columns and cell locations?  
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Pete

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formulas in numbers

[peter apgar]

Good evening all,
  using numbers I  am having a hard time with composition of formulas.  
for example in excel one would rite  =b3-b7 and it would calculate.  how does 
one reference columns and cell locations?  

Thanks in advance,

Pete

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Ichat

[peter apgar]

Good evening all,

is i chat accessible?  is it worth setting up an AIM account for?

Thanks in advance,

Pete

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Re: system sounds through computer speakers

[peter apgar]

try canned air.  use small bursts it should free it with out the risk of 
breaking anything off in it.

Pete 
On Nov 19, 2009, at 7:00 AM, Stan wrote:

> Hi Anne,
> Thanks for this, I think you have just hit it on the head.   I think  
> the "micro-switch" must be jammed, for when I tried the "parameter  
> ram reset" with my headset unplugged, I still had no sound.
> I will now have to find some "eyes" to help and check things out, and  
> maybe fidle the "jack socket".
> Cheers
> U2me&me2u,
> Stan.
> 
> On 19 Nov 2009, at 10:41 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Stan,
>> 
>> On Nov 18, 2009, at 8:04 PM, Stan wrote:
>>> Please tell me what do I do? I am trying to get sound through my
>>> "internal speakers"" but system prefs, sound," "output" "popup
>>> button" is dimmed on head set.
>> When you plug headphones into the Jack socket on your computer, it  
>> automatically cuts out the internal speakers. If you want sound  
>> from the internal speakers and through a headset, you need to use  
>> either USB or BlueTooth.
>> 
>> If you have unplugged the headset from the Jack socket and it is  
>> still stuck on Headset, it means that the micro-switch inside the  
>> Jack socket is jammed.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
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Re: safari

[peter apgar]

thanks Nick,

this is   the mac's life saver.

Pete
On Nov 14, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I click Discussion, then Click on the Boats and Tow-vehicles accessories 
> link. I'm assuming that's what you mean, since that's the only thing 
> boat-related. I simply do VO-Command-T to go to the table, and VO-Right until 
> I find the link I want. I haven't set my preferences so that I have to 
> interact with every table I come across, though it shouldn't make a 
> difference.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> AIM: cincinster
> yahoo Messenger: cin368
> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
> 
> On Nov 14, 2009, at 9:18 PM, peter apgar wrote:
> 
>> 
>> after clicking on discussion link,  i open 
>> On the tree view.and try to interact with the boat and toe vehicle table.  
>> from that point on i have not been able to read, or open the different 
>> discussion topics.  
>> 
>> Pete Nov 14, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> What are you having issues with? Can you tell me where exactly you click? 
>>> What you're having trouble reading? What tables?
>>> 
>>> It seems perfectly doable on my end, at least.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 8:56 PM, peter apgar wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Good afternoon all,
>>>> one sight that i frequent with  windows and jaws is 
>>>> WWW.wakeworld.com
>>>> 
>>>> however with the mac i am unable to read the discussion boards.  i have 
>>>> tried multiple ways of interacting with the pages.  for someone who is 
>>>> good with safari, would you give a look at the discussion boards on this 
>>>> page and let me know how you were able to read the   postings?  
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> 
>>>> Pete
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
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Re: safari

[peter apgar]

after clicking on discussion link,  i open 
On the tree view.and try to interact with the boat and toe vehicle table.  from 
that point on i have not been able to read, or open the different discussion 
topics.  

Pete Nov 14, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> What are you having issues with? Can you tell me where exactly you click? 
> What you're having trouble reading? What tables?
> 
> It seems perfectly doable on my end, at least.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> AIM: cincinster
> yahoo Messenger: cin368
> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
> 
> On Nov 14, 2009, at 8:56 PM, peter apgar wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Good afternoon all,
>> one sight that i frequent with  windows and jaws is 
>> WWW.wakeworld.com
>> 
>> however with the mac i am unable to read the discussion boards.  i have 
>> tried multiple ways of interacting with the pages.  for someone who is good 
>> with safari, would you give a look at the discussion boards on this page and 
>> let me know how you were able to read the   postings?  
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Pete
>>> 
> 
> 
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safari

[peter apgar]

Good afternoon all,
 one sight that i frequent with  windows and jaws is 
WWW.wakeworld.com

however with the mac i am unable to read the discussion boards.  i have tried 
multiple ways of interacting with the pages.  for someone who is good with 
safari, would you give a look at the discussion boards on this page and let me 
know how you were able to read the   postings?  

Thanks in advance,

Pete
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Re: Safari 4.0.4 update released???

[peter apgar]

could you post the notes.  that was a great description.  Thanks,

Pete
On Nov 12, 2009, at 6:27 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> 
> Hi James,
> 
> OK I'm not sure how much you know of internet markup, so forgive me if I'm 
> being too simplistic.
> 
> Way back in about 1995 what we know of as the internet was still pretty much 
> in its infancy.  At that stage, documents were rudimentary and the things 
> that could be displayed on the web were fairly primitive.  At this time 
> browsers such as the text-based Lynx, and the graphically oriented Mosaic and 
> Netscape were dominant.
> 
> Documents were static.  They were prepared using HTML, and the level of 
> interactivity was minimal.  Along came Netscape (the company) and decided it 
> would be nice to have a degree of interactivity on the web.  So they 
> developed Javascript.
> 
> In essence, javascript sits in the header portion of an HTML document and 
> enables client-side scripts to be embedded into web pages.  This differs from 
> PHP (another scripting language) in that PHP runs on the server and delivers 
> pages to the browser.
> 
> OK let's give you an example.  Let's suppose you have a form on a web page 
> that requires a certain type of input; let's say for arguments sake a 
> telephone number.  So I as a user enter abcdef7 instead of 1 2 3 4 5 6 7.  I 
> click the submit button.  If the developer has written the appropriate 
> javascript code, it will check the input of the form before it is sent to the 
> server for processing.  If everything is in order, (which in our previous 
> example it is not) it will send the data to the server for storage or 
> whatever needs to be done.  However, as there are errors in the data in the 
> telephone number field it can either pop up a message box informing us of the 
> error, or perform some other action.
> 
> Javascript can also handle various events like mouse clicks, keyboard events, 
> and loads of other things to make the web experience more dynamic.  However, 
> in my opinion, badly written Javascript has been responsible for more 
> inaccessible or unusable webpages than anything else over the years, and yep 
> I'm including flash in there as well.  
> 
> In essence, Javascript, therefore, is a client-side (or browser side) way of 
> adding dynamism or interactivity to web pages.
> 
> I'm giving a lecture to some first year undergrads on this stuff in a few 
> weeks, so if you do want more info just let me know and I'll send you a link 
> to the notes.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Donal
> On 12 Nov 2009, at 22:08, James & Nash wrote:
> 
>> What is JavaScript? I've looked it up on Wikipedia, but I've found it too 
>> technical. Thanks for any explainations.
>> 
>> TC
>> James
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Chris Blouch
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: Safari 4.0.4 update released???
>> 
>> Nice. Sunspider Javascript benchmarks dropped from 857ms to 671ms on my 
>> MacbookPro. That's a bit more than a 20% improvement in JavaScript execution 
>> speed.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> Charlie Doremus wrote:
>>> Have just installed 4.0.4 update, minutes ago. If I see anything 
>>> interesting will report. 
>>> Macworld says; Software Update will tell you that the update improves 
>>> JavaScript performance, makes searching through large browser histories 
>>> less painful, and enhances the stability of third-party plug-ins and, for 
>>> what it’s worth, Yahoo Mail (Yahoo!).
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Christina  wrote:
 
 I saw this on twitter and wondered if it was true and if anyone has 
 upgraded and noticed any changes or improvements.
 
 Thanks,
 Christina
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: I've done it.

[peter apgar]

Good evening all,
how does one modify the voice rate of the  time.   i am referring to   
using the right option T. VO.  becomes lethargic.  any suggestions.

Thanks in advance,

Pete8, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:

>
> Hello.  If you have Keyboard commander turned on in Voiceover
> Preferences, you can check the time by hitting the right option key
> and the letter T together.
> To enable Keyboard commander do the following:
> 1.  Hit control+option+f8 to open VoiceOver utility.
> 2. Interact with the categories table and navigate down to the
> commanders category.
> 3. Stop interacting with the Categories table and vo+rightarrow a
> couple times and you should hear the keypad and keyboard tabs.  On the
> Keyboard tab, hit vo+space to select the keyboard tab.
> 4.  Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear a checkbox to enable
> keyboard commander.  Check that box with vo+space.
> You should also tell VoiceOver to allow itself to be controled by
> Applescript.  I think you can find in the general category in
> VoiceOver utility.
>
> On Nov 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Daniel Rowe wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> Yes, I bought an imac last friday.  So far, I love it.  it's amazing
>> how
>> fast it is to get things done, and*most* things work fine.
>>
>> I have my phone sinced with iCal and address book, been doing a bit  
>> of
>> web brouzing with safari, used front roe, gotten voice over saving my
>> settings on a usb drive, all the usual stuff.
>> I still need to add my music to iTunes though.  most of the ID3 tags
>> in
>> my mp3s are messed up.  some of them have both the artist and  title
>> duplicated in both the artist and title fields.  I'll have to run  
>> them
>> through mp3 tag studio on windows first as nearly all the file names
>> are
>> done as  artist - title.mp3, so that should sort mmost things out. .
>> But can itunes fill in all the other tags?
>>
>> one thing I can't get to work is e-mail.  I've switched both my phone
>> and pc to imap with no problems at all.  but the mac doesn't want to
>> know.  the incoming server has an invalid certificate and it can't
>> connect to the smtp server.  it's really frustrating.
>> I have e-mailed the tech support guys so they should hopefully have  
>> an
>> answer.
>>
>> I still keep forgetting how the cursor works.  I understand what's
>> happening, I just keep reverting to windows habbits.  I'll get it
>> eventually.  then I'll be expecting windows to behave like the mac.
>>
>> While editing text on a webpage, say in a reply on a message board,
>> the
>> home and end keys don't seem to do what they're supposed to do.   
>> also,
>> if I do vo shift m to bring up the menu of misspelled words, it  
>> clicks
>> on the wrong word.  do I have to move the vo cursor onto the word I
>> want
>> to change?  I was just using the arrow keys before.
>>
>> is there a command to read the current time rather than hopping over
>> to
>> the status menus?  I know it's possible.
>>
>> To whoever it was who uses XMarks on the mac, did you try it on snow
>> leopard?  I downloaded the snow leopard package, ran it and it says
>> that
>> it requires leopard.  I'm running 10.6.1.
>>
>> I'll also need to get it to write to ntfs drives, say if I want to
>> copy
>> some music I bought in itunes over to my windows machine,.
>>
>> I'm planning on buying superdooper or whatever it's called.  that
>> sounds
>> like a fantastic backup solution.
>>
>> Finally, has anyone had any luck using the dashboard?  I can bring up
>> the different widgets ok, they're just confusing to wirk with.
>> particularly the weather one.
>>
>> I'm sure I'll come up with more questions to keep you lot busy. :)
>> so like I said, if it wasn't for it not playing ball with my e-mail
>> provider, I'd be totally happy and for most things, I can see myself
>> using the mac exclusively.
>>
>> Bye for now,
>> Dannie
>>
>>>
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>
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Re: Quick question re buying a Mac

[peter apgar]

this is not normally the case.  they will configure it wile you wait.   
from my purchase experience the only options they could not offer in  
the store were the solid state drives.  call a head and make sure they  
have the componnets in stock.  they may  s schedule a time to have the  
techs configure it wile you wait.  it should only take an hour or so  
depending on the traffic in the  store.

enjoy the experience.

Pete
On Nov 5, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:

>
> Danni, from my experience the Apple stores can order any configuration
> that is offered by Apple but it usually takes longer then ordering it
> online.
> Frank
>
>
>
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>
>
> Hi all.
>
> If I bought a Mac from an Apple store rather than using their online
> store, will I still get the option for them to configure it to my
> specifications?
>
> thanks,
> Dannie
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Re: speech muting

[peter apgar]

this switch changes the three finger tripple tap from muteing to  
turning off vo.  this allows sighted users to use the phone as  
normal.  it also allows a blind user to turn vo back on with the three  
finger  tripple tap

Pete
On Nov 4, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi Erik,
>
> Odd that the checkbox doesn't change.  I don't turn speech off on my
> iphone much, so have never checked that out.  Anyway, glad this  
> helped.
>
> You know, it's funny.  When SL came out, I was really excited about
> the trackpad commander. But I stopped using it almost immediately,
> because it seemed I was always making things happen that I didn't want
> to, moving the cursor, opening windows, etc. My arms tend to rest on
> the front part of the Macbook, so when I was typing they would move
> across the trackpad, initiating various and sundry events.  I haven't
> used the trackpad since shortly after I installed SL.  I may give it
> another try someday, but for the moment I've decided it's easier to
> stick to the keyboard.
>
> Good luck, and let me know how it goes.
> Take care,
> Donna
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:44 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Donna,  I just did the double tap 3 and yes it muted and unmuted  
>> my
>> speech. The odd thing is, when I checked the mute speech setting in
>> voiceover utility it was unchecked even though the speech was muted.
>> Checking and unchecking the box does nothing if yu mute speech using
>> the trackpad.
>>
>> Well I don't know how I keep managing to do this by accident, but at
>> least thanks to you I know how to take care of it more easily.
>>
>> Now back to trying to make the rest of the track pad work... Sighs.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> erik burggraaf
>> A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
>> Phone: 888-255-5194
>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>>
>> On 2009-11-03, at 11:48 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Erik,
>>>
>>> The gesture that turns off speech on the iphone is a double-tap with
>>> three fingers.  I know it seems unlikely, but is it possible you did
>>> this by accident?  It's a toggle, so the next time it happens, try
>>> doing a three-finger double-tap,  and see if speech starts up again.
>>> If it does, you know what's causing your problem.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>>
>>> On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:31 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>>>

 Hi guys.  I'm playing around with the track pad commander and I
 can't
 get it to do much.

 One of the things I have been able to do with it though is mute
 speech .  Please don't ask me how I accomplish this.  I' couldn't
 begin to tell you .  Fortunately I have mmy braile display here and
 so
 all is not lost.  In fact, muting speech is the ideal comfort zone
 for
 me when using the braille display.

 The thing is, I'm not muting the speech intentionally.  I'm just
 cruzing arount the screen when VO says "speech muted and stops
 talking.  When I go into voice over utility and look at the mute
 check
 box it is unchecked.  If I check it and then uncheck it, I still  
 get
 no speech.  If I turn voiceover off then back on I get welcome to
 voiceover and then I get speech muted and then I get no speech.
 If I
 make a volume adjustment using command vo up and down then speech
 comes right back, even though neither the system volume or the vo
 volume are turned down.

 Has any one else seen this?  It's happened to me twice in the  
 last 3
 days.  I'd like to just ditch this trackpad commander.  To me it is
 starting to look like more trouble than it's worth.   
 Unfortunately I
 might have to teach it and so I need to hang in there for a while
 yet
 and see if I can make it happen.

 Best,

 erik burggraaf
 A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
 Phone: 888-255-5194
 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com


>

>>>
>>>

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Re: speech muting

[peter apgar]

Good evening,

  The following is a little information for clarification.

a.  Three finger double tap mutes and unmutes VO.
b Three finger tripple tap turns the screen curtin on or off.
c. a three finger single tap will tel you what page number you are on  
and the number of available pages.

Thanks,

Pete
On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Marshall Scott wrote:

>
> Hi,
> I found out the hard way that a certain multi finger tap will mute
> speech.  I think it was a 3 finger double tap.  Anyway, I think it's
> similar to the turn screen curtain on/off command.
> HTH
> Marsh
>
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Erik,
>>
>> The speech muting problem is the one I was asking about a couple of
>> weeks ago. I haven't got a recent machine with a multi-touch  
>> trackpad,
>> but several people on my French list have reported this problem. I
>> shall pass on your solution to them as it's much better than throwing
>> away a preference file.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> On Nov 3, 2009, at 2:31 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi guys.  I'm playing around with the track pad commander and I  
>>> can't
>>> get it to do much.
>>>
>>> One of the things I have been able to do with it though is mute
>>> speech .  Please don't ask me how I accomplish this.  I' couldn't
>>> begin to tell you .  Fortunately I have mmy braile display here and
>>> so
>>> all is not lost.  In fact, muting speech is the ideal comfort zone
>>> for
>>> me when using the braille display.
>>>
>>> The thing is, I'm not muting the speech intentionally.  I'm just
>>> cruzing arount the screen when VO says "speech muted and stops
>>> talking.  When I go into voice over utility and look at the mute
>>> check
>>> box it is unchecked.  If I check it and then uncheck it, I still get
>>> no speech.  If I turn voiceover off then back on I get welcome to
>>> voiceover and then I get speech muted and then I get no speech.   
>>> If I
>>> make a volume adjustment using command vo up and down then speech
>>> comes right back, even though neither the system volume or the vo
>>> volume are turned down.
>>>
>>> Has any one else seen this?  It's happened to me twice in the last 3
>>> days.  I'd like to just ditch this trackpad commander.  To me it is
>>> starting to look like more trouble than it's worth.  Unfortunately I
>>> might have to teach it and so I need to hang in there for a while  
>>> yet
>>> and see if I can make it happen.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> erik burggraaf
>>> A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
>>> Phone: 888-255-5194
>>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
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Re: speech muting

[peter apgar]

a three finger double  tap will mute VO.  if you turn BO off and on  
again it will react exactly as you posted.  the way to solve this is  
to again three finger double tap. this feature works great especialy  
when you don't want VO to read information every so many minutes.


On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:31 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

>
> Hi guys.  I'm playing around with the track pad commander and I can't
> get it to do much.
>
> One of the things I have been able to do with it though is mute
> speech .  Please don't ask me how I accomplish this.  I' couldn't
> begin to tell you .  Fortunately I have mmy braile display here and so
> all is not lost.  In fact, muting speech is the ideal comfort zone for
> me when using the braille display.
>
> The thing is, I'm not muting the speech intentionally.  I'm just
> cruzing arount the screen when VO says "speech muted and stops
> talking.  When I go into voice over utility and look at the mute check
> box it is unchecked.  If I check it and then uncheck it, I still get
> no speech.  If I turn voiceover off then back on I get welcome to
> voiceover and then I get speech muted and then I get no speech.  If I
> make a volume adjustment using command vo up and down then speech
> comes right back, even though neither the system volume or the vo
> volume are turned down.
>
> Has any one else seen this?  It's happened to me twice in the last 3
> days.  I'd like to just ditch this trackpad commander.  To me it is
> starting to look like more trouble than it's worth.  Unfortunately I
> might have to teach it and so I need to hang in there for a while yet
> and see if I can make it happen.
>
> Best,
>
> erik burggraaf
> A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
> Phone: 888-255-5194
> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>
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Re: Volume Issue

[peter apgar]

i too have the volume problem.  i do not require login.  no matter the  
volume one shuts down at.  once restarted it starts at 55% every time.

Pete
On Oct 29, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:

> Or one other option would be to just check "Require Password to wake  
> this computer" in security, then in accounts Check the option to  
> have Voiceover read the login screen.
>
> On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>>
>> Ah, sorry, I thought perhaps you ran in a multi-user configuration.
>> You could accomplish the same thing by lowering the volume before you
>> turn off the machine. THe problem is when you go directly into your
>> account upon boot up, your volume setting is retained at the setting
>> you last used the machine. I have multiple accounts for testing etc.
>> so I can set the volume, rate of speech, etc. while at the login
>> screen and thus the startup chime can be cranked way down. Now if you
>> use headphones, you could reduce the volume to a pretty low level and
>> retain a different volume for the headphones. THis would also
>> accomplish your goal.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> On Oct 27, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Angel Dockham wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> What login screen? I don't have a login screen come up when i turn  
>>> on
>>> the computer it just goes to the apple logo screen and then to the
>>> desktop.
>>>
>>> On Oct 27, 6:14 am, Scott Howell  wrote:
 When you are at the login screen, turn the volume to the level  
 you'd
 like it to be and all should be well. This works for the Intel- 
 based
 machines and not the G4/G5 series as far as I have been able to
 determine.
 On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:09 AM, Angel wrote:





> Hi Guys,

> I am having trouble with my volume whenI turn my computer on each
> morning the volume is all the way up. I know at night before I  
> turn
> the computer off the volume was on low. How can I stop it from
> increasing my volume to max when I turn it off?

>>
>>
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates)
>> Pete Nalda
>> http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda
>>
>>
>>
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Re: battery life

[peter apgar]

i have timed it at 7.5 hours on average.  I was using mail surfing for  
data on the web and making a playlist out of my library.  i was able  
to run it for   a hair over  9 hours with screen curtain on and only  
playing music via itunes. If It is a  mbp 13" with the 253 processor.

Pete
On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:09 PM, John W. Carty wrote:

> For those of you using laptops, how long does the battery last from  
> a full charge using vo?
>   
> Thanx,
>
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Re: attention Lioncourt

[peter apgar]

Michael,

so my argument is to  place a few more KB's in a mailing.  This will  
eliminate the MB's associated  with  surfing that it often takes to  
locate the given articles in their entirety.   Mail tend's to be less  
of a hog then surfing.  as for much of the extra  mailings that   
post   limited data they add more band with clutter then the  
difference in the size of the mailings. would  to add my  personal  
data  on this, discussion, i pay for a thumb drive modem that has a  
limited usage and  by no means would  josh's full articles cause me to  
break my limit.  MY   request  WAS   in no way intended to sling mud  
at josh but to make more of his information available to those just  
trying to learn the mac. with limited time.  Josh no personal attacks  
intended.

Thanks,

Pete
On Oct 25, 2009, at 9:39 PM, michael A. Babcock wrote:

>
> hi;
> i have to jump in here. We have limited bandwith here where i live,
> and we have six computers on the network. SOutheast alaska isn't the
> best for internet.
> Josh, thanks, for not posting the entire messages, as i know this
> would limit our bandwith even more, even if it's something i don't
> want to read.
> mike
>
> On Oct 25, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry you feel that way. I would appreciate it if you would not
>> mis-represent what we're doing.
>>
>> If you had actually read previous messages, we were mainly
>> discussing the problem that some folks, in some parts of the world,
>> or with some wireless carriers in the US and elsewhere, have to pay
>> for data by the KB, among other considerations.
>>
>> I don't get enough from the Google Ads or donations to even cover
>> hosting costs, so that argument is ridiculous.
>>
>> We really do try to do what is in the best interest of the
>> community. I'm sorry you feel there is some conspiracy theory or
>> something going on behind the scenes.
>>
>>  Sadly,
>>  Josh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:51 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Lots of people have.
>>> Moderation say that they will implament things that are in the best
>>> interest of the community, yet even though lots of people asked for
>>> the full text to be included, its not happening.
>>> It all boils down to promotion. I've been on josh'is site quite a  
>>> few
>>> times and I feel that it has some really valuable content, but lets
>>> be
>>> honest, the only reason that the ful text isn't posted is so that he
>>> can get more clicks and hopefully more clicks on his google adds.
>>> You'll probably get the old "some people don't have broadband so we
>>> need to compact messages" excuse, but in reality, the size  
>>> difference
>>> would be at most a few k, which would take around a second on a 56k
>>> modem.
>>
>>
>>>
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Re: The IPhone and Battery Life

[peter apgar]

it gave me 25-30%
  increase to battery life.

PeteOn Oct 25, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> Hey Pete, good point, I wasn't sure that would really help since I
> think someone had brought this up for discussion a while back where
> laptops were concerned and it was determined that the screen curtain
> didn't offer much in terms of battery savings. Perhaps the screen on
> the iPHone is a bit different? Of course I'm very interested in what
> others experience is with the iPhone and battery life and not just in
> how to conserve it.
>
> thanks,
> On Oct 25, 2009, at 11:09 AM, peter apgar wrote:
>
>>
>> for the same results three finger triple tap and it will turn on
>> screen curtain.  this will give you the same battery life extension
>> and if you ever want someone to look at some thing all you need to do
>> is three finger triple tap and it will be back to full brightness.
>>
>> Pete
>> On Oct 25, 2009, at 7:21 AM,
>> Jensen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Scott.
>>>
>>> Have you set the brighness to 0? That helped a lot on my phone.
>>> Best regards
>>> Søren Jensen
>>> Mail & MSN:
>>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>>> Website:
>>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>>>
>>> Den Oct 25, 2009 kl. 11:58 AM skrev Scott Howell:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>> I have had my iPhone for about two weeks now and I'm enjoying all
>>>> the
>>>> benefits a great deal.  I however am a little concerned about the
>>>> battery life, which going into this I knew was not going to be  
>>>> quite
>>>> as good as what I had been experiencing with my Motorola Q9 running
>>>> MobileSpeak. I also realize there are a number of factors, which
>>>> will
>>>> impact battery performance and I have gotten a little feedback from
>>>> someone, but I'd like to try to get a bit more. I imagine it is
>>>> possible there is an issue with my phone, but perhaps not and I
>>>> think
>>>> it is worth checking this entire issue out.
>>>> Here is a little about my usage, area I use the phone in, etc. that
>>>> may help explain my observations.
>>>>
>>>> 1. I have WI-FI off, 3G on, Data Roaming off, and Location Services
>>>> on.
>>>> 2. I generally turn my phone on about 3:00 a.m.
>>>> 3. I listen to podcast or some streaming content for about half an
>>>> hour to 45 minutes in the morning.
>>>> 4. Maybe a couple of calls lasting less than 10 minutes during the
>>>> day
>>>> and I do mean just a couple.
>>>> 5. I will check e-mail for about 15 to 20 minutes on my ride home
>>>> (it's hard to type on a bouncing bus) :).
>>>> 6. I get home about 5:00 p.m. and my battery is down to 30 to 40
>>>> percent.
>>>>
>>>> On my motorola Q I of course only use it for voice communications
>>>> because I just did not like using MSS for surfing etc. Saying  
>>>> this I
>>>> realize the iPhone does a lot more in data transactions, so I
>>>> anticipate needing to charge more frequently than the Motorola  
>>>> and I
>>>> understand VOiceOver will certainly have an impact on battery life,
>>>> but perhaps more than it should and I suspect this will only
>>>> improve.
>>>> Now my friend who also has an iPhone, but does not use VoiceOver  
>>>> can
>>>> get a couple of days and his primary use is surfing the web and he
>>>> probably does this for a couple of hours during the day.
>>>> I also know one person who responded to me who got several days,  
>>>> but
>>>> the usage was light in her particular situation.
>>>>
>>>> So, with all this said, I'd like to get some idea of what folks are
>>>> getting out of their phones in terms of battery performance.  If I
>>>> turn off 3G and VO during the times I'm in the office and not
>>>> needing
>>>> either, I am sure I'd be ahead, but what is clear to me is if I had
>>>> to
>>>> carry the phone all day and I'm talking for 16 to 18 hours, I know
>>>> it
>>>> would not be possible and the phone would require a charge. Of
>>>> course
>>>> having to turn this and that off just doesn't make sense and it is
>>>> obvious to me these phones are capable of performing quite well  
>>>> with
>>>> the battery they have, but of course any screen reader will have
>>>> some
>>>> impact. My greatest concern is partly do to the fact I'm looking
>>>> for a
>>>> good navigation solution I can use around town or when I have to go
>>>> to
>>>> meetings when I'm in DC.
>>>> Any feedback/thoughts would be appreciated and feel free to send
>>>> them
>>>> directly if you prefer. I can't seem to get subscribed to the  
>>>> iPhone
>>>> list, so hope you all don't mind me posting this here.
>>>>
>>>> THanks
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: The IPhone and Battery Life

[peter apgar]

for the same results three finger triple tap and it will turn on  
screen curtain.  this will give you the same battery life extension  
and if you ever want someone to look at some thing all you need to do  
is three finger triple tap and it will be back to full brightness.

Pete
On Oct 25, 2009, at 7:21 AM,
  Jensen wrote:

>
> Hi Scott.
>
> Have you set the brighness to 0? That helped a lot on my phone.
> Best regards
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>
> Den Oct 25, 2009 kl. 11:58 AM skrev Scott Howell:
>
>>
>> Folks,
>> I have had my iPhone for about two weeks now and I'm enjoying all the
>> benefits a great deal.  I however am a little concerned about the
>> battery life, which going into this I knew was not going to be quite
>> as good as what I had been experiencing with my Motorola Q9 running
>> MobileSpeak. I also realize there are a number of factors, which will
>> impact battery performance and I have gotten a little feedback from
>> someone, but I'd like to try to get a bit more. I imagine it is
>> possible there is an issue with my phone, but perhaps not and I think
>> it is worth checking this entire issue out.
>> Here is a little about my usage, area I use the phone in, etc. that
>> may help explain my observations.
>>
>> 1. I have WI-FI off, 3G on, Data Roaming off, and Location Services
>> on.
>> 2. I generally turn my phone on about 3:00 a.m.
>> 3. I listen to podcast or some streaming content for about half an
>> hour to 45 minutes in the morning.
>> 4. Maybe a couple of calls lasting less than 10 minutes during the  
>> day
>> and I do mean just a couple.
>> 5. I will check e-mail for about 15 to 20 minutes on my ride home
>> (it's hard to type on a bouncing bus) :).
>> 6. I get home about 5:00 p.m. and my battery is down to 30 to 40
>> percent.
>>
>> On my motorola Q I of course only use it for voice communications
>> because I just did not like using MSS for surfing etc. Saying this I
>> realize the iPhone does a lot more in data transactions, so I
>> anticipate needing to charge more frequently than the Motorola and I
>> understand VOiceOver will certainly have an impact on battery life,
>> but perhaps more than it should and I suspect this will only improve.
>> Now my friend who also has an iPhone, but does not use VoiceOver can
>> get a couple of days and his primary use is surfing the web and he
>> probably does this for a couple of hours during the day.
>> I also know one person who responded to me who got several days, but
>> the usage was light in her particular situation.
>>
>> So, with all this said, I'd like to get some idea of what folks are
>> getting out of their phones in terms of battery performance.  If I
>> turn off 3G and VO during the times I'm in the office and not needing
>> either, I am sure I'd be ahead, but what is clear to me is if I had  
>> to
>> carry the phone all day and I'm talking for 16 to 18 hours, I know it
>> would not be possible and the phone would require a charge. Of course
>> having to turn this and that off just doesn't make sense and it is
>> obvious to me these phones are capable of performing quite well with
>> the battery they have, but of course any screen reader will have some
>> impact. My greatest concern is partly do to the fact I'm looking  
>> for a
>> good navigation solution I can use around town or when I have to go  
>> to
>> meetings when I'm in DC.
>> Any feedback/thoughts would be appreciated and feel free to send them
>> directly if you prefer. I can't seem to get subscribed to the iPhone
>> list, so hope you all don't mind me posting this here.
>>
>> THanks
>>
>>>
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Re: Internet radio receivers and Voice Over

[peter apgar]

how about an air port express connected to a receiver via headphone to  
rca cable?  you could stream to any system with rca inputs.
   I have three systems wired this way.  one completely wireless  
system would be sono s5.  however i am not sure of it's usability with  
VO.

Pete
On Oct 24, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

>
> Or, just get yourself an iPod Touch and ootunes :-)
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2009, at 5:19 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>
>> In  My apartment I have a wifi network on which I run two imacs, an
>> macboox pro and a wifi radio I purchased from C. Crane. Take a look
>> at the C. Crane site and see if there might be something there you
>> might be able to use. I have a tangent with 6 pre-sets. They make
>> one with 99 pre-sets (wish list). Check out their
>> Revo Pico Portable WiFi Internet Radio which is small and has 5 pre-
>> sets and small enough to sit out of the way in your kitchen.
>>
>> Keep in mind that you need a wireless network to do this.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Michael Busboom 
>> wrote:
>> Hello listers,
>>
>>
>> One of the things I love about my Mac Book is that I can take it
>> anywhere with me in my apartment and listen to radio stations that
>> stream on the Internet.  I have lived in Austria for over 30 years,
>> but I grew up in Illinois, pretty much right between Chicago and St.
>> Louis, and I love listening to radio from that area of the country.
>>
>>
>> One of my concerns about listening to the radio as I cook, however,
>> is that no matter where I place my Mac Book, I am afraid that it may
>> fall prey to an accident.  To my knowledge, grease or liquids and
>> Mac Books don’t get along very well with one another.  I am
>> wondering if Apple makes a programmable receiver that has Airport
>> capabilities with Voice Over built right in.  If not, what is the
>> next best thing?  I suppose I could leave my Mac in my office, go
>> out and buy some sort of FM transmitter that I would hook up to the
>> Mac and wear headphones with a built-in receiver while I worked, but
>> perhaps someone has a better idea?
>>
>>
>> Any and all comments welcome and thanks in advance,
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com
>>
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vo & sonos?

[peter apgar]

good day all,

does any one know if vo works with sonos wireless music systems  
software?

Thanks in advance.

Pete

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Re: mudclient wasRe: my 2 months with a mac

[peter apgar]

what is mudding?

Thanks in advance.

Pete
On Oct 23, 2009, at 7:53 PM, KehzaFox wrote:

>
> You can try the Webstart version at http://www.jamochamud.org/downloads.html
>
> Please let me know your experiences with it, even if it ranges to "I
> want to throw it out the window".
>
> Jeff
>
> michael A. Babcock wrote:
>> hi;
>> where can one get this app from to test out? for muds i to the  
>> following
>> open terminal
>> type "telnet"
>> type "o"
>> type the url, example: "trekgames.net 1234"
>> hit return
>> and it connects.
>> mike
>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:32 PM, KehzaFox wrote:
>>
>>> Well, that's definitely not off to a good start, and needless to  
>>> say a
>>> little disappointing!
>>>
>>> Following Java's standards the buttons (at least on the World
>>> Connector)
>>> I have not only labelled the buttons but added an additional
>>> Accessible
>>> Name and Accessible Description which (in theory) are to be used by
>>> screen readers.
>>>
>>> How slow the client appears to you is also a bit troubling.  My
>>> intention is to load up the client on my wife's Macbook and see if I
>>> can
>>> sort things out.
>>>
>>> Thanks for trying out JamochaMUD, and hopefully I can get these
>>> problems
>>> ironed out.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Thomas McMahan wrote:
 Tiger is even more of a disaster.  Am on the world conecter now,  
 but
 it's not accepting input, just saying "java busy.Have been at this
 for an hour now, I think if it's this slow an agressive mob would
 have me killed 20 times over.
 "
 On Oct 23, 2009, at 7:34 AM, william lomas wrote:

> the buttons are not labeled so when one runs the program they dont
> know what to click
>
> On 23 Oct 2009, at 12:29, KehzaFox wrote:
>
>> Hi Anouk,
>>
>> I released a new version of the JamochaMUD MUD Client a little
>> while
>> back where I've been working on incorporating accessibility
>> features.
>> If folks are willing to give me feedback such as "this works,  
>> this
>> doesn't work", "I can't add a character" or specific items like
>> that I
>> can definitely work toward making the client as accessible as
>> possible.
>>
>> You should be able to try the new version straight from your web
>> browser
>> by using the WebStart option ( at
>> http://www.jamochamud.org/downloads.html ).
>>
>> I'm always looking for feedback to make the client better.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> a radix wrote:
>>> Hello, I think that a lot of people would be interested in a mud
>>> client for
>>> the mac that works with snow leopard and that has some of the
>>> features we
>>> come to expect from a modern client. I myself would not even  
>>> mind
>>> having to
>>> pay for it. Are there no people with some programming  
>>> knowledge in
>>> cocoa
>>> that could program it or maybe we could 'rent'some experienced
>>> tech
>>> guy in
>>> the sighted mac community who would be willing to do it... I
>>> mean I
>>> know at
>>> least 4 mac users who really would love a good mud client for  
>>> the
>>> mac and I
>>> am certain its possible too, if there is this piece of  
>>> software. I
>>> cant
>>> imagine that there are no sighted people anymore that play muds
>>> either
>>> Greetings, Anouk
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Nicolai Svendsen" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac
>>>
>>>
 Hi,

 Definitely quite an interesting story.

 I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd experience. I
 went to
 an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to  
 try it
 out.
 I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an
 institute
 for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it was
 quite
 literally a pile of crap.

 I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users have
 done
 for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I
 finally
 decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become  
 extremely
 frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has always
 been
 my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired of  
 how
 many
 things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. Sometimes  
 you
 had
 to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously
 installed
 applications, that sort of thing not to mention the registry.  
 The
 headache.

 So I decided to take the plunge.

 I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day before I  
 went
 back
 to the sto

Re: Turning on Trackpad Commander

[peter apgar]

This is the case with us key boards.  tested 30 seconds ago.

pete
On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

>
> Eeuh,
>
> I always do it by holding the VO keys then rotating two fingers
> clockwise.
>
> best
>
> Yuma
>
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[peter apgar]

Josh,

  I have previously posted a request   that your mailings include the  
entire article when posting.  others have expressed similar interests.

Thanks in advance,

Pete

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Re: my 2 months with a mac

[peter apgar]

well said all,

there are several cool factors for the mac os.  one of which is the  
fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility.  however  
the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not support  
OSX.  for this reason alone i only have limited time to explore its  
virtues.  i will second  the same issues that Donna posted  
previously.  additionally i have found that  there is a lot more  
interaction for simple tasks.  double the key strokes for the same  
actions as in ms is just a minor peev.  i am quite worried that  
running two or possibly three systems may become overwhelming when   
begining a graduate program.  i guess only time will tell.  has any  
one written code for a quick check of the time?

Have good evening,

Pete
On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote:

>
> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well.  I haven't had my
> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close.
>
> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to the mac.
> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I finder it a
> little harder to think of the windows commands because they aren't
> used by me all the time anymore, smile.
>
> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't be used all
> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning software for
> windows and to play games.  Other than that, it will be hidden behind
> mac.
>
> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics and figure
> out how sly and vo work, lol.
> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>>
>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :)  I'm glad that after all you
>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to suit your
>> needs.
>>
>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on the Mac,
>> fascinate me.  I keep playing with it, hoping to come to the same
>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen.  For example, I am currently
>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match from a site I
>> am registered with.  When  Safari loaded the page and auto-read, it
>> read everything just as you would expect.  But then, I decided I
>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred qualifications. I
>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I interacted
>> with stuff, and nothing.  So, I booted up my Pc, went into IE, and
>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still have no clue
>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari.  I often feel
>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that viewing a webpage
>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or through a  
>> veil
>> that only lets you see the outline of what you're looking at.  Links
>> of course are no problem, it's the text content that is often very
>> difficult to locate.
>>
>> I highly recommend the iphone, I've found it to be a delightful  
>> little
>> toy, um, I mean, device. *grin*
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Definitely quite an interesting story.
>>>
>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd experience. I went
>>> to
>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to try it
>>> out.
>>> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an institute
>>> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it was quite
>>> literally a pile of crap.
>>>
>>> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users have done
>>> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I finally
>>> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become extremely
>>> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has always been
>>> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired of how  
>>> many
>>> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. Sometimes you had
>>> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously installed
>>> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the registry. The
>>> headache.
>>>
>>> So I decided to take the plunge.
>>>
>>> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day before I went  
>>> back
>>> to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I figured I'd
>>> mostly
>>> be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I went to try it
>>> out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It definitely
>>> was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only had a  
>>> showroom
>>> floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off  
>>> thoroughly,
>>> wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I was happy.
>>> So
>>> very happy.
>>>
>>> I arrive home, and I'm practically tingling with excitement. I  
>>> almost
>>> rip the box apart (taking care of the DVDs of course), get out my
>>> shiny Macbook and hook it up.
>>>
>>> Oh no!
>>>
>>> What I did know was that I had to reinstall it, but I didn't care. I
>>> didn't want any of that junk on it they had installed to advertise.
>>> So
>>> i went 

Re: [Mac-cessibility News] The NFB Publishes a Second Look at VoiceOver

[peter apgar]

Good afternoon Josh,

  I am a new comer to the mac.  much of what you publish is very  
helpful, i have a very limited amount of time to follow through with  
the links you post.  if possible would you be willing to publish your  
editorials in full  rather then the intro's.

Thanks in advance,

PeteOn Oct 20, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Maccessibility wrote:

>
> The NFB Publishes a Second Look at VoiceOver
>
> Last June, the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) published a  
> highly flawed
> and controversial review of VoiceOver and the accessibility of the  
> Mac OS X
> platform.  Shortly thereafter, we published an editorial discussing  
> the article
> and the NFB's response to criticism of the review.
> Steve Sawczyn of ATMaine.com and our very own Mac-cessibility Round  
> [...]
>
> You can read the rest of this news item at:
> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/10/20/the-nfb-publishes-a-second-look-at-voiceover/
>
> The Mac-cessibility Network
> "...it's all within our reach..."
> http://maccessibility.net
>
>
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Re: Gestures help.

[peter apgar]

good afternoon,

it is more like keeping your pointer finger in one location and  
sliding your middle finger around your fix pointer finger.  in testing  
this with mail it rotated between words navigation and careactors..

Good luck.

Pete
On Oct 17, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Jesse Bollinger wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I just started getting into the trackpad gestures with my macbook. I
> read the help and it said to use the rotor by rotating two fingers
> around the pad. I move my fingers in a circle but nothing happens. It
> just moves me across the screen. Is there a trick I'm missing?
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sinking I phone with mac

[peter apgar]

Good evening all,

i have previously set up my i phone with a PC.  i am looking to  
update and now sync with my mac.  i want to make sure that when  
syncing for the first time it will not eliminate all contacts.  i  
don't care if it removes music but the contacts i have may be updated  
on the mac or I phone.  will one override the other if duplicates exist?
any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Pete

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Re: usb touch pad for mac?

[peter apgar]

Hank,

you don't need  to click any links to get the information on the next  
generation mouse.
   if you read down the page it will read all of the rumors with out  
clicking any links.

Pete
On Oct 4, 2009, at 5:31 AM, hank smith wrote:

> what article do I click on on the site?
> - Original Message -
> From: Nicolai Svendsen
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:22 PM
> Subject: Re: usb touch pad for mac?
>
> Oo, nice.
> On Oct 4, 2009, at 2:15 AM, peter apgar wrote:
>
>>  check out:
>> www.macrumors.com
>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 6:07 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think you can get any usb touchpad, but you can use an  
>>> Iphone as a touchpad for your Mac.
>>> Best regards
>>> Søren Jensen
>>> Mail & MSN:
>>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>>> Website:
>>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I haven't heard of any USB trackpads yet. If they do exist,  
>>>> though, I hope someone can enlighten me.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Nic
>>>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:43 PM, hank smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> where can I get one for mac??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: usb touch pad for mac?

[peter apgar]

  check out:
www.macrumors.com
On Oct 3, 2009, at 6:07 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:

> I don't think you can get any usb touchpad, but you can use an  
> Iphone as a touchpad for your Mac.
> Best regards
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>
> On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I haven't heard of any USB trackpads yet. If they do exist, though,  
>> I hope someone can enlighten me.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 11:43 PM, hank smith wrote:
>>
>>> where can I get one for mac??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: numbers guide

[peter apgar]

John,

thank You!  this was exactly what i needed.   i am finding that i need  
to learn things on the mac after a taxing day at the office.  when
needing to be able to make things work with out  patients is not a  
good combination.  thanks for saving this cool MBP of mine.

Pete
On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:54 AM, John André Netland wrote:

>
> Hi Pete,
>
> I am using Numbers a lot with Snow Leopard, since it is even more
> accessible here. Here is some basic VO tips for working with a blank
> template in Numbers:
>
> •Launch Numbers so that you have the templates window in front of you,
> or press command-shift-N to bring up the template chooser.
> •find the list of template categories and press return on the "blank"
> template. Numbers will open a fresh and new blank page.
> •Navigate to the scroll area and interact with it.
> •Navigate to the layout area and interact with it.
> •Navigate to the "table 1" table and interact with it.
> •Use your arrow keys to navigate around in the sheet, when you are on
> a header cell or row/column cell where you would like to add new data
> or overwrite existing data, simply write. •To edit or add data to an
> existing content, VO-shift-space on the cell and navigate inside of
> the cell with the arrow keys.
> •When finished, press return and you are done. You are taken to the
> next cell.
>
> There are different ways to interact with Numbers when you use VO, my
> suggestion is to create a test to play around with, and get familiar
> with it before working on real content. You will find both a Getting
> started guide and a User Guide under the Help menu in Numbers.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Take care,
> John André
>
>
>
>
>
> On 30. sep. 2009, at 03.29, peter apgar wrote:
>
>>
>>> Good evening all,
>>
>>  as i have been playing around with numbers lately.  a few questions
>> come to mind.
>>
>> 1.  how does one open a blank worksheet with out all of the options
>> like budget shopping lists and other formatting choices being
>> selected?
>>
>> 2 after opening this new work sheet can one edit formulas similar to
>> excel?
>> 3 is there some sort of getting started guide for numbers?
>>  any information is greatly  appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>>
>
>
> >
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numbers guide

[peter apgar]

> Good evening all,

as i have been playing around with numbers lately.  a few questions  
come to mind.

1.  how does one open a blank worksheet with out all of the options  
like budget shopping lists and other formatting choices being selected?

2 after opening this new work sheet can one edit formulas similar to  
excel?
3 is there some sort of getting started guide for numbers?
any information is greatly  appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

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Re: quick nav problem

[peter apgar]

please disregard my previous posting.  guess i need some good sleep to  
shake the cobwebs loose.

Thanks all of the help.

Pete
On Sep 28, 2009, at 10:57 PM, peter Apgar wrote:

>
> It seams as if there is more going on then I first experienced.   
> Under the
> settings I was previously operating
> mail would let you vio keys left after selecting the mail box you were
> interested in.  First it would say vertical splitter. Vio right  
> again, and
> you would be in the message table.  You would then be able to freely  
> arrow
> up and down and  voice over would read each of the messages senders  
> and
> subject lines.  Now it will only read the top mail and if you try to  
> arrow
> up and down left or right it will read all of the splitters and not  
> let you
> navigate the column that  you were in initially .  It acts if vio  
> keys are
> locked and I have tried to turn the vio lock on and off again, with no
> resolve.  It will not even let me navigate the menus correctly with  
> out
> getting stuck in the first option with a sub menu.  No matter the
> interaction you are not able to navigate even the sub menus.  Is  
> there a way
> to re set factory settings in mail?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pete
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chantel Cuddemi
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 10:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: quick nav problem
>
>
> left and right arrow will turn it off.
> On Sep 28, 2009, at 10:11 PM, peter apgar wrote:
>
>>
>> Good evening all,
>>
>>  i have some how turned on quick nav on in mail and for the life of
> me
>> can't figure out how to turn it off.  is there a hot key for this?
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>>
>
>
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>
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RE: quick nav problem

[peter Apgar]

It seams as if there is more going on then I first experienced.  Under the
settings I was previously operating  
 mail would let you vio keys left after selecting the mail box you were
interested in.  First it would say vertical splitter. Vio right again, and
you would be in the message table.  You would then be able to freely arrow
up and down and  voice over would read each of the messages senders and
subject lines.  Now it will only read the top mail and if you try to arrow
up and down left or right it will read all of the splitters and not let you
navigate the column that  you were in initially .  It acts if vio keys are
locked and I have tried to turn the vio lock on and off again, with no
resolve.  It will not even let me navigate the menus correctly with out
getting stuck in the first option with a sub menu.  No matter the
interaction you are not able to navigate even the sub menus.  Is there a way
to re set factory settings in mail?

Thanks,

Pete
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left and right arrow will turn it off.
On Sep 28, 2009, at 10:11 PM, peter apgar wrote:

>
> Good evening all,
>
>   i have some how turned on quick nav on in mail and for the life of
me 
> can't figure out how to turn it off.  is there a hot key for this?
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Pete
>
> >





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quick nav problem

[peter apgar]

Good evening all,

i have some how turned on quick nav on in mail and for the life of me  
can't figure out how to turn it off.  is there a hot key for this?   
Thanks in advance,

Pete

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I cal

[peter apgar]

Good morning all,

i am attempting to use I Cal.  however no matter what i do to try to  
interact , show calendars or simply look into showing the monthly  
break down of where days fall nothing is reported through vo.

Thanks,
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drag and drop with sl

[peter apgar]

Good evening all,

how does one drag and drop with
vo  and snow lepard?

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play list instructions

[peter apgar]

Good evening,

could some one provide a set of instructions for  creating a play list  
in I Tunes using SL? if possible provide step by step directions for  
adding songs from the music library to the  newly created play list.

Thanks in advance,

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Re: tips on using the trackpad

[peter apgar]

Hello,

track pad needs to be enabled within voice over preferences.  also if  
you double tap with a single finger it will open, check or un check  
what ever was spoken before you preformed the double tap.  the track  
pad has to be one of the best innovations for the blind.  it act's  
exactly like the i phone.

Pete
On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:

>
> Thanks all for the help, the jestures are getting easier, it's
> basically the moving your finger around the screen which I find
> frustrating.
> Also can you open programs and all from the trackpad or is it just
> restricted to moving in apps?  I was a little confused reading about
> it in the documentation.
>
> MikeD
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 8:13 AM, peter apgar wrote:
>
>>
>> good morning,
>>
>>
>> 1. two finger flick up: read intire page.
>> 2. two finger flick  down: read from current location.
>> 3.  two finger flick left: stop inter acting.
>> 4. two finger flick right: interact with highlighted item.
>> 5. single finger flick to the left, right, up, and down: moves vo
>> cursor in respective directions
>> 6. three finger flicks up, down, left, and right moves a page in the
>> respective direction.
>> 7. triple finger tripple tap: screen curtain on and off.
>> 8.  tripple finger double tap: voice over mute and unmute.
>>
>> i forgot the finger gestures of the rotor.  hopefully this helps.
>>
>> Pete
>> On Sep 10, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mike.
>>>
>>> I am in the same situation as you. I also have a trackpad, but I can
>>> not find out how to use it. I would really like to, because I am a
>>> person, who do not remember keystrokes and other comands very  
>>> well, I
>>> always look in the menus.
>>>
>>> Best regards Annie.
>>>
>>> 2009/9/10, Christina :
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry but I do not have the multi-touch track pad so I really
>>>> cannot offer help.  However, I understand that you can use the
>>>> keyboard help to play with the track pad as well.  Press vo plus K.
>>>> Then try different gestures.  When you're done practicing press
>>>> escape
>>>> to get out of keyboard help.
>>>>
>>>> I bet someone here will have more information for you.
>>>>
>>>> Christina
>>>> On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I need some tips on navigating with the trackpad.  I have the
>>>>> trackpad
>>>>> commander enabled and when I drag my finger arround the screen vo
>>>>> seems to be speaking all over the place and immits lots of
>>>>> different
>>>>> sound effects.  It seems to be very sensative and I'm not sure  
>>>>> what
>>>>> the best way is to proceed.  I acidently muted vo a couple of  
>>>>> times
>>>>> without even meaning to and would like some tips on this.  I can
>>>>> flick
>>>>> just fine, it's just moving my fingers arround is where I get into
>>>>> trouble.  Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> MikeÎ
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >
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Re: help with mail please, reply to John C.

[peter apgar]

Donna,

try going to prefrences under mail.   check to make sure the out  
going server is correct select the server from the outgoing button and  
check the use only this server option.  i had the similar issue and  
this resolved it.  good luck.

Pete
On Sep 11, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Yes I did the upgrade and that didn't help.
>
> I've had one account that has never worked. Unfortunately, that's my  
> work account, which puts a real big crimp in my ability to use the  
> Mac for work stuff. The problem with the other account started this  
> afternoon when I accidentally deleted my servers from my server  
> list. I have put them back, but now they don't work.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: iPhone VO home button oddity

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I would have to disagree.  The I phone is designed for the general  
population.  by removing one of the gestures  you are there by  
removing some of the sighted users accessability.  we are a limited  
population and by making voiceover available by means of I tunes it  
maximizes accessability with out anoying the majority of their sales.   
could you picture a sighted person haveing all of their gestures  
respond differently?  WTF would  probably be the first words out of  
their mouths.
On Sep 11, 2009, at 2:48 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

>
> great question and suggestion.  tell apple through their accessibility
> section.  Take care, Max
> On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:59 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>>
>> So I upgraded my iPhone to the 3.1 OS which now has the option to
>> have a
>> triple click of the home button toggle VO on or off. Great if you  
>> want
>> to quick set an iPhone back to the regular gesture system for  
>> somebody
>> else to use and then get VO back on again. What seems odd to me is
>> that
>> this feature isn't enabled by default. So that means the out of the
>> box
>> experience still requires sighted assistance to turn on VO the first
>> time. From there the triple home click preference can be set to  
>> toggle
>> VO. Why not ship it that way from the factory for a truly self- 
>> service
>> experience?
>>
>> CB
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: tips on using the trackpad

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good morning,


1. two finger flick up: read intire page.
2. two finger flick  down: read from current location.
3.  two finger flick left: stop inter acting.
4. two finger flick right: interact with highlighted item.
5. single finger flick to the left, right, up, and down: moves vo  
cursor in respective directions
6. three finger flicks up, down, left, and right moves a page in the  
respective direction.
7. triple finger tripple tap: screen curtain on and off.
8.  tripple finger double tap: voice over mute and unmute.

i forgot the finger gestures of the rotor.  hopefully this helps.

Pete
On Sep 10, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:

>
> Hi Mike.
>
> I am in the same situation as you. I also have a trackpad, but I can
> not find out how to use it. I would really like to, because I am a
> person, who do not remember keystrokes and other comands very well, I
> always look in the menus.
>
> Best regards Annie.
>
> 2009/9/10, Christina :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm sorry but I do not have the multi-touch track pad so I really
>> cannot offer help.  However, I understand that you can use the
>> keyboard help to play with the track pad as well.  Press vo plus K.
>> Then try different gestures.  When you're done practicing press  
>> escape
>> to get out of keyboard help.
>>
>> I bet someone here will have more information for you.
>>
>> Christina
>> On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I need some tips on navigating with the trackpad.  I have the  
>>> trackpad
>>> commander enabled and when I drag my finger arround the screen vo
>>> seems to be speaking all over the place and immits lots of different
>>> sound effects.  It seems to be very sensative and I'm not sure what
>>> the best way is to proceed.  I acidently muted vo a couple of times
>>> without even meaning to and would like some tips on this.  I can  
>>> flick
>>> just fine, it's just moving my fingers arround is where I get into
>>> trouble.  Thanks,
>>>
>>> MikeÎ

>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
> >
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Re: sending an email message

[peter apgar]

it is command shift d not E]e.

Pete
On Sep 10, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Keith Brown wrote:

>
>   Does anyone else have a problem with the command plus shift plus e
> command? i.e to send a message. it doesn't  work for me. I have to
> navigate to message and select the send option.
>
> cheers
>
> Keith
>
> >
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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes

[peter apgar]

I too would have to agree with scott!
On Sep 5, 2009, at 8:33 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Nice post, Scott.  These are all very good points.
> donna
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Chesworth 
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:44 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application  
> Updated With  Accessibility Fixes
>
>
> Cara - Appologies if it came across as less than constructive critique
> at your end, I thought I made it pretty obvious that I wasn't knocking
> Josh's efforts at all.  Perhaps it was the comparrison that came over
> wrong, for what it's worth, it was written light heartedly at this
> end.  Not everyone thinks the same, hence why I kept it on list and
> suggested either a poll or for more folks to chime in.
> A few thoughts from the slow costly access and mobile camp, of course
> they're going to be from my own point of view, can't help that, but my
> thought processes aren't too outragious (most of the time):
> Surely the majority of people who'd be browsing high traffic lists
> like this on a mobile device would have some sort of data plan in
> place, or risk bankruptcy.  Seeing as how not every platform is as
> slick and quick as the iPhone though, wouldn't it make more sense for
> those people to receive a couple of extra kb of text in their email
> per day at most rather than launch their browser, wait for a whole
> webpage to download on what could likely be a flakey connection, then
> take on the frustration of navigating the content (no disrespect, it's
> a well laid out site, my point is that mobile browsing in the main is
> fairly horrible).
> For the pay-per-minute folks or similar, again, sticking in one app
> and downloading an email with the full content as a couple kb of text
> verses firing up their prefered choice of browser and downloading a
> whole page of HTML would save time and money would it not?
> All I can say is that, although it's from my own point of view, I'm
> moving to a new pad next week and will be getting my net access from a
> horrid mixture of those two options, and the above makes more sense to
> me as I'm fast approaching the week or so of access-less trauma lol.
> Plus, I'm not sure if you've made it through the whole thread yet, but
> you seem to have quite a few people not minding the updates, but
> prefering the full content.  Clearly not everyone is as grouchy as us
> troublemakers that started the debate, but that part of it doesn't
> seem to be going away.
>
> Scott - I get why you forward your posts linked to stay on the right
> side of people's terms and conditions, but seeing as all the posts I
> can remember have been written by a contributor to maccessibility.net,
> I'd hope they have permission to republish there own stuff.
>
> Hopefully this doesn't tread on anyone's toes too hard, just my 2  
> cents worth.
>
> Scott
>
> On 9/5/09, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>
>>  Once again you all really do need to remember here that just
>> because those of us here in America seem to have basically fast,  
>> free-
>> flowing internet access, that's just not the case in all areas of the
>> world, or even in this country. (US)
>>
>>  There are many people whom pay based on bandwidth used. So, each
>> additional minute they spend downloading email is more money they
>> spend out-of-pocket.
>>
>>  This isn't even touching on the vast audience on mobile devices…
>>
>>  Quite simply put, this model of posting with a summary and link
>> really is the best balance we know of, currently, to work well for
>> everyone.
>>
>>  Honestly, since when is it so very difficult to click on a link?…
>>
>>  As I said, this is not some push to get traffic to the site. this
>> is simply meant as a quick, courteous way of posting good, relevant,
>> timely info that everyone can benefit from, in a way that they can
>> easily work with. I hope this makes sense…
>>
>>  Just as a side note here, you all really should know (not to put
>> poor Josh on the spot here :) ) but Josh has really out done himself
>> here with the Maccessibility network site, putting extreme amounts of
>> hours / effort into it so that your user experience really can be
>> superb. And, I for one, think he's done a fab job!
>>
>>  So once again, might I simply ask that we consider contributing
>> suggestions / critique in a positive way, and perhaps share
>> suggestions with Josh and I, which you feel might actually benefit  
>> the
>> larger user base, rather than just yourself or a small group?…  We'd
>> definitely appreciate feedback in this way.
>>
>>  Thanks for reading and once again, do have a lovely weekend!…
>>
>> Smiles,
>>
>> Cara :)
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>> On Sep 5, 2009, at 1:22 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote:
>>
>>
>> If the email contained the full text of the article I probably
>> wouldn't have m

RE: vo sl guide is available

[peter Apgar]

could you forward it to me off list at pap...@gmavt.net
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Pete

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: vo sl guide is available


Hello if you want the vo getting started guide for sl mail
accessibil...@apple.com. I did and got it in a few hours in rt-format on a
sunday!
Way to go apple!
Greetings, Anouk,




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Re: 3 features that hmm?

[peter Apgar]

Well said Donna!!!

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 29, 2009, at 11:06 PM, "Donna Goodin"  wrote:

>
> Hello all,
>
> I have to support Rich here.  The attitude displayed by many Mac users
> toward Windows, and toward Windows users who are doing their best to  
> learn
> the Mac OS is frankly despicable.  Many mac users--definitely not  
> all--are
> nothing more than a bunch of narrow-minded snobs.  Windows is not  
> "the dark
> side".  It is a viable choice, perhaps a better choice for some  
> people.
> JAWS and Windows worked very well for me for nearly 20 years.  I am  
> only
> here because I want to support Apple's efforts, not because I believe
> Windows or JAWS to be the devil incarnate.  Yes, editing is different.
> Those who prefer editing in Windows are not wrong, they just prefer
> something different.  They are entitled to that preference, just as  
> all on
> this list are entitled to their preference for the Mac.  If Apple  
> implements
> some choices to facilitate transition from Windows, there's nothing  
> wrong
> with that.  No one has to use it unless they want to.
>
> Personally, I think it's great that there are multiple alternatives  
> now
> available for blind users.  Yes, what Apple has done for  
> accessibility is
> tremendous.  That said, I just applied for a job at a place where they
> pretty much come out and tell you that if you choose to use a Mac,  
> you won't
> be able to utilize all of their materials.  So, if I get that  
> position, I'll
> be using Windows for all things work-related.  I therefore hope that  
> Windows
> continues to be a viable option for blind users.  The best possible  
> scenario
> for us is to have as many options as possible, so that each of us  
> can decide
> which is the best fit for us and for our immediate needs.  The Mac  
> has many
> things to recommend it.  But you all who choose to use it, are in no  
> way
> superior to anyone else, and you have no right to disdain others who  
> either
> choose the Windows option, or are willing to point out the Mac's  
> weaknesses.
> And yes, the Mac does have very definite weaknesses, as does Windows.
>
> Why can't we all just be supportive and respectful of one another?   
> I think
> the thing I find saddest about this whole movement toward the Mac,  
> is the
> way it seems to polarize everyone.  Let's just support  each  
> person's right
> to find what works best for them and be happy about that.
>
> Donna
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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RE: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?

[peter Apgar]

Does  the I phone's  two finger flick read all command work on the new mbps?

Thanks in advance.

Pete 

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Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two
hands?


Hi,

It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it.

Regards,
Alex,


On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote:

>
> Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought 
> it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference 
> imo between using it on a laptop or a pc...
> Greetings, Anouk,
> - Original Message -
> From: "Victor Tsaran" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM
> Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
>
>
>>
>> Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option  
>> keys,
>> you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to  
>> unlock
>> them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various
>> objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc).
>> It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of  
>> time,
>> especially if you are a heavy laptop user.
>> Good luck,
>> Vic
>>
>> On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>> You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon.  
>>> Then you
>>> don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover
>>> commands.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> william lomas wrote:
 you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around

 On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote:

> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I  
> read
> that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a
> document for example you need to use the voice key (which is  
> either
> command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but  
> would
> tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single
> handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot
> slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my
> braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder.
> Greetings, Anouk,
>
>
>



>>>

>>
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>> vick08
>> or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com
>> ---
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RE: MacBook Pro or MacBook

[peter Apgar]

The benefits to the video card are, with the new release of leopard it can
use the processing power of the video card on other tasks then video.  This
makes it quicker then the standard processor during heavy operating loads.
It should also bump the capacity of programs running consecutively.

Enjoy the purchasing experience.

Pete

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James & Nash
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Hi Pete,

Thank you, but as I am not able to se the screen, what would be the
advantage of the Pro using the video card?

Thanks

James
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From: "peter Apgar " 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:58 PM
Subject: RE: MacBook Pro or MacBook


>
> The pro will have the ability to use the video card in ways the mb won't 
> in
> the soon to be released snow leopard.  This information came from a sales
> rep when I purchased the I phone.
>
> Pete
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James & Nash
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:52 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MacBook Pro or MacBook
>
>
> Thanks Brett,
>
> I think i will probably opt for the Pro after more research and talking to

> a
> few other people too.
>
> Take care
>
> James
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brett Campbell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: MacBook Pro or MacBook
>
>
>>
>> The pro is thinner, has a SD card slot and a multi touch pad that will
>> come in handy with some of the new features of VoiceOver in Snowleopard.
>>
>> Brett
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 4:31 AM, James & Nash wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> This might sound like a silly question, but which is heavier, the
>>> MacBook or
>>> the MacBook Pro? I am still unsure which to opt for. I mean the
>>> price is a
>>> litle more expensive than the macBook but I had a few probems with
>>> my 1st
>>> generation MacBook. What do you people think of either their
>>> MacBooks or
>>> MacBook Pros? From what I've read, there doesn't seem to be much to
>>> choose
>>> between them.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>
>>
>> >
>
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RE: MacBook Pro or MacBook

[peter Apgar]

The pro will have the ability to use the video card in ways the mb won't in
the soon to be released snow leopard.  This information came from a sales
rep when I purchased the I phone.

Pete

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Thanks Brett,

I think i will probably opt for the Pro after more research and talking to a
few other people too.

Take care

James
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From: "Brett Campbell" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: MacBook Pro or MacBook


>
> The pro is thinner, has a SD card slot and a multi touch pad that will
> come in handy with some of the new features of VoiceOver in Snowleopard.
>
> Brett
>
> On Jul 9, 2009, at 4:31 AM, James & Nash wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> This might sound like a silly question, but which is heavier, the
>> MacBook or
>> the MacBook Pro? I am still unsure which to opt for. I mean the
>> price is a
>> litle more expensive than the macBook but I had a few probems with
>> my 1st
>> generation MacBook. What do you people think of either their
>> MacBooks or
>> MacBook Pros? From what I've read, there doesn't seem to be much to
>> choose
>> between them.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> >
>
>
> > 





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RE: IPhone Wows

[peter Apgar]

Have you used one yet?  The future of  p d a phones is definatly   touch
screen.  

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I think IPhone 3GS is a wonderful tool for low vision people -- it is the
first truly accessible phone where everything is magnified. I cannot say
that I would cash out for IPhone as a blind user though. But I truly
appreciate Apple's pushing envelope with technology -- this is something I'd
love to see more companies do.
Vic

On 6/21/2009 10:50 AM, John Denning wrote:
>
> My wife who is a high partial has had an iPhone all along. So we got 
> her a new 3GS phone Friday. I've not had a lot of time on it, but have 
> had some. So far I'm impressed also.
>
> I need to read some instructions though. I can turn on the Zoom, and 
> invert. But I believe there is a way to easily jump between various 
> settings. Like is there a gesture to switch between inverted and 
> normal? I know how to zoom in and out.
>
> Trying to get my employer to spring for the phone since I'm required 
> to have a mobile phone. They one they got me is NOT at all accessible.
> I can make the text a tiny bit larger is all. So get me this real off 
> the shelf solution.
>
>
> On Jun 20, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
>> I played with the iPhone that was on display. Wow, ... I was shocked.
>> It felt like a natural use, expecially in Calculator.
>>
>> I love the phone.
>
>
> >
>


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RE: IPhone Wows

[peter Apgar]

next time you go in,   tap twice quickly with three fingers.  this turns
voice over on and off.
 
Pete

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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My manager and I went over to the ATT store yesterday to play with 3GS for
the first time. We probably fiddled for about 30 minutes and within that
time could do quite a bit of basic stuff. The first snag was getting VO
turned on which required sighted assistance since the phones were cabled
down at a kiosk and not hooked up to iTunes on a desktop. On another podcast
there was a question about whether Apple has some kind of voice command to
turn VO on but nobody knew if it existed or what it was. That said, once VO
was on it took a little bit to get the hang of three finger flicking and to
realize that double tap meant to hold on the thing you want to action and
then tap with another finger. We also had to be careful with making sure we
didn't hold the phone totally horizontal as sometimes it would flip into
portrait mode, moving everything around. Typing was a bit difficult but
improved as time went by such that it seemed like it would become quite
usable given some practice. 30 minutes or so wasn't enough but it was
already getting easier. Main thing was that the keys were very small in
portrait so putting a thumb down flat covered several keys. Finger tips
worked much better but finger nails didn't work. We actually launched a
random 3rd party app called Dictionary which was already on the phone and it
worked just fine, which was a nice touch since it probably predates VO on
the iPhone. One snag was that when deleting characters in a text box it
wasn't always obvious what characters were about to be deleted, but maybe we
missed some cues in the somewhat noisy store. Anyway, it seems very positive
that in only a short bit of fiddling around the universal access interface
was usable and we could get stuff done.

CB

Victor Tsaran wrote: 

I think IPhone 3GS is a wonderful tool for low vision people -- it is 

the first truly accessible phone where everything is magnified. I cannot 

say that I would cash out for IPhone as a blind user though. But I truly 

appreciate Apple's pushing envelope with technology -- this is something 

I'd love to see more companies do.

Vic



On 6/21/2009 10:50 AM, John Denning wrote:

  

My wife who is a high partial has had an iPhone all along. So we got

her a new 3GS phone Friday. I've not had a lot of time on it, but have

had some. So far I'm impressed also.



I need to read some instructions though. I can turn on the Zoom, and

invert. But I believe there is a way to easily jump between various

settings. Like is there a gesture to switch between inverted and

normal? I know how to zoom in and out.



Trying to get my employer to spring for the phone since I'm required

to have a mobile phone. They one they got me is NOT at all accessible.

I can make the text a tiny bit larger is all. So get me this real off

the shelf solution.





On Jun 20, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:





I played with the iPhone that was on display. Wow, ... I was shocked.

It felt like a natural use, expecially in Calculator.



I love the phone.

  







  





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RE: voice over comes to the I phone

[peter Apgar]

I will have one the nineteenth no matter the carrier.

Pete 

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They probably won't say anything right now but good sources from there have
said they would carry it.  We'll just have to see what happens.

Mike
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 PM, peter Apgar wrote:

>
> Sorry all to be the barer of bad news,  I just hung up with VZ sales.  
> Per my discussion VZ will not be carrying  the I phone.  ATT is still 
> the only company.
>
> Pete
>
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wanger
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:29 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
>
>
> Scott,
>
> In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be 
> on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you 
> are saying.
> Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of this contract 
> isn't really clear and, in light of some things said yesterday, I am 
> thinking that Apple might look to make some changes at the end of the 
> deal. But, its very well known that these two companies have an 
> exclusive deal in the United States.
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>>
>> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using 
>> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten 
>> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a 
>> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to 
>> determine if it fits your needs.
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
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RE: voice over comes to the I phone

[peter Apgar]

Sorry all to be the barer of bad news,  I just hung up with VZ sales.  Per
my discussion VZ will not be carrying  the I phone.  ATT is still the only
company.

Pete 

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Scott,

In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be on the
Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you are saying.
Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of this contract isn't
really clear and, in light of some things said yesterday, I am thinking that
Apple might look to make some changes at the end of the deal. But, its very
well known that these two companies have an exclusive deal in the United
States.


On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using 
> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten 
> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a 
> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to determine 
> if it fits your needs.
>
>
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RE: Off Topic: Poll on how to make paper money accessible

[peter Apgar]

Cara,

I would urge you to take a more liberal stance in what your
requesting.  As your post below is it self hypocritical.  Previously there
was leniency regarding new breakthroughs.  Many of these systems are not
currently Mac  based, however it's never known how they may effect or
interact with the  future OSX.  I have read as many post regarding operation
of the "new list " in the last few weeks as I have pointers.  Personally I
would make the suggestion that we become more aware of our delete key.I
will leave it to your discression weather or not you would like to remove me
from the list.I would also like to thank the list members for the
information they have bestowed on me.

Thanks,

Pete

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   Okay, this is getting tiresome.  Many of you already know what I'm about
to say.  

   To those who don't, or whom don't care, yet should, please do close this
topic immediately!!!

   Okay, just so you all know, the next person who deliberately initiates an
Off-topic thread here with the exception of John's notes on his weather
predicament, -will be banned.

   I don't care if you put OT in the subject line.  That does not make this
sort of thing okay!  Stop posting things you know are not on topic for this
list.Unless it's absolutely an emergency / life threatening; if
it's off topic, DO NOT POST IT HERE!!!

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On Mar 23, 2009, at 6:20 PM, alena.roberts2...@gmail.com wrote:


I am taking a poll on my blog on how to make U.S. paper currency accessible
to the blind. In September of last year, a judge ordered the treasury to
make the money accessible. As far as I know, there has been no plans to
actually change our money. Please visit my blog and vote. The poll will be
open until the middle of next month. I plan to blog about the results and
send them to national blindness organizations and the treasury department. I
think that they need to know what the blind community needs before they make
any changes.

http://blind-gal.blogspot.com

Alena





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RE: Just waht is "off topic" here

[peter Apgar]

Motion has been seconded and the vote is being counted.  Three yeas .

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Agreed.  Those of us who use VoiceOver may not be on all the technology
lists and if it's something that benefits us all, I think we should hear
about it.

On 24/03/2009, Greg Kearney  wrote:
>
> Just what qualifies as "off topic" and can there by bring down the 
> wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post 
> saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be 
> permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as 
> it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies.
>
>   
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