RE: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Simon Fogarty]

Thanks Tim,

Sounds like it would be a no go for what I’d have to use it for.

Worth a look anyway.

Cheers,


Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2017 4:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

Simon,

ChromeVox works best within the ChromeBook environment.  I'm not familiar with 
it's functionality within Windows, but on the Mac, the biggest limitation of CV 
is that it does not work with the MacOS menu items etc.  That is, it is a 
screen reading solution for everything within the web-content of the Chrome 
browser, but does not announce the MacOS aspects of the browser window nor the 
MacOS menus.  In a ChromeBook, this is not an issue as everything that CV needs 
to access is speakable.

Regarding Admin tools, you'd likely need to look in the Chrome Web Store.  As 
in the MacApp Store, the Chrome Web Store has tons and tons of apps.  I suspect 
that there are such tools that you're speaking of, but cannot confirm right now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 16, 2017, at 00:46, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I’d also like to have a look at the chrome book or more specifically chromevox
But I’d like to know if there are admin type tools and remote access services 
to other OS platforms such as windows or mac os.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 16 January 2017 2:02 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

I will definitely give that a look.

Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.

On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao 
<kevincha...@gmail.com<mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey Scott,

If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. The 
new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and delight 
factors compared to legacy screen readers.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on to 
Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few key 
changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to stick with 
my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real improvements and 
changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been trying windows lately 
and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think I’ll be changing my laptop 
game around much but I’m going to really see a big upgrade in phones from Apple 
this year.  Siri needs serious work as well.  Google is doing very interesting 
things now, especially on the google home side of things and I’m having a blast 
with that equipment.


> On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
> <kgli...@icloud.com<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Shawn.
>
> Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
> then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and are 
> most important to you.
>
> Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
>
> Hope you get your new computer soon.
>
> Kawal.
>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk 
>> <bbssh...@icloud.com<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal I 
>> have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be able to 
>> run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis and I 
>> want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's released.
>>
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>>> <kgli...@icloud.com<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> For once, I like your resolution.
>>>
>>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if 
>>> any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion first 
>>> and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I will go 
>>> for a proper considered approach.
>>>
>>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch,

Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Kevin Chao]

Jonathan,

M56 is in beta currently and will be stable very-shortly. It's a lot better
than M50.
chromevox-disc...@googlegroups.com is the group you're looking for!

Thanks!

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:23 AM Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Kevin,
>
> Is it much better than Chrome 50? Right now, we only support Chrome 45-50
> for our clients. If you could provide me a mailing list for ChromeVox users
> I would gladly participate. I know how to find a list of open Chrome Vox
> Next bugs, but is there a canary new features list I don't feel comfortable
> supporting ChromeVox on the above versions.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Devin,
>
> Have you tried ChromeVox Next on Chrome OS M56?
> Thanks!
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:59 AM Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
>
> The biggest problem with me getting into Chrome OS, for me at least, is
> that there is no usable MUD client for that system, neither is there one
> for Android, either. So Windows still has me with that.
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
> On January 16, 2017 9:31:58 AM Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>
> Simon,
>
> ChromeVox works best within the ChromeBook environment.  I'm not familiar
> with it's functionality within Windows, but on the Mac, the biggest
> limitation of CV is that it does not work with the MacOS menu items etc.
> That is, it is a screen reading solution for everything within the
> web-content of the Chrome browser, but does not announce the MacOS aspects
> of the browser window nor the MacOS menus.  In a ChromeBook, this is not an
> issue as everything that CV needs to access is speakable.
>
> Regarding Admin tools, you'd likely need to look in the Chrome Web Store.
> As in the MacApp Store, the Chrome Web Store has tons and tons of apps.  I
> suspect that there are such tools that you're speaking of, but cannot
> confirm right now.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 00:46, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>
> I’d also like to have a look at the chrome book or more specifically
> chromevox
> But I’d like to know if there are admin type tools and remote access
> services to other OS platforms such as windows or mac os.
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Scott Granados
> *Sent:* Monday, 16 January 2017 2:02 AM
> *To:* MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?
>
> I will definitely give that a look.
>
> Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Scott,
>
> If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome
> OS/Books. The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance,
> support, and delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on
> to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few
> key changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to
> stick with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real
> improvements and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been
> trying windows lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think
> I’ll be changing my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a
> big upgrade in phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as
> well.  Google is doing very interesting things now, especially on the
> google home side of things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Shawn.
> >
> > Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions
> as then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do,
> and are most important to you.
> >
> > Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
> >
> > Hope you get your new computer soon.
> >
> > Kawal.
> >> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big
> goal I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won'

RE: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Gents,

I’d like to keep this topic  focused on Apple products, okay?  

Thank you,

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 11:23 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

Kevin,

Is it much better than Chrome 50? Right now, we only support Chrome 45-50 for 
our clients. If you could provide me a mailing list for ChromeVox users I would 
gladly participate. I know how to find a list of open Chrome Vox Next bugs, but 
is there a canary new features list I don't feel comfortable supporting 
ChromeVox on the above versions.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 


On Jan 16, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Devin, 

Have you tried ChromeVox Next on Chrome OS M56?
Thanks!

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:59 AM Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
The biggest problem with me getting into Chrome OS, for me at least, is that 
there is no usable MUD client for that system, neither is there one for 
Android, either. So Windows still has me with that. 
Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com
On January 16, 2017 9:31:58 AM Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
Simon,

ChromeVox works best within the ChromeBook environment.  I'm not familiar with 
it's functionality within Windows, but on the Mac, the biggest limitation of CV 
is that it does not work with the MacOS menu items etc.  That is, it is a 
screen reading solution for everything within the web-content of the Chrome 
browser, but does not announce the MacOS aspects of the browser window nor the 
MacOS menus.  In a ChromeBook, this is not an issue as everything that CV needs 
to access is speakable.

Regarding Admin tools, you'd likely need to look in the Chrome Web Store.  As 
in the MacApp Store, the Chrome Web Store has tons and tons of apps.  I suspect 
that there are such tools that you're speaking of, but cannot confirm right now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 

On Jan 16, 2017, at 00:46, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

I’d also like to have a look at the chrome book or more specifically chromevox
But I’d like to know if there are admin type tools and remote access services 
to other OS platforms such as windows or mac os.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 16 January 2017 2:02 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?
 
I will definitely give that a look.
 
Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.
 
On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Hey Scott,
 
If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. The 
new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and delight 
factors compared to legacy screen readers.
 
On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on to 
Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few key 
changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to stick with 
my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real improvements and 
changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been trying windows lately 
and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think I’ll be changing my laptop 
game around much but I’m going to really see a big upgrade in phones from Apple 
this year.  Siri needs serious work as well.  Google is doing very interesting 
things now, especially on the google home side of things and I’m having a blast 
with that equipment.


> On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Shawn.
>
> Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
> then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and are 
> most important to you.
>
> Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
>
> Hope you get your new computer soon.
>
> Kawal.
>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal I 
>> have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be able to 
>> run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis and I 
>> want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's released.
>>
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>
>

Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Kevin,

Is it much better than Chrome 50? Right now, we only support Chrome 45-50 for 
our clients. If you could provide me a mailing list for ChromeVox users I would 
gladly participate. I know how to find a list of open Chrome Vox Next bugs, but 
is there a canary new features list I don't feel comfortable supporting 
ChromeVox on the above versions.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Jan 16, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Devin, 
> 
> Have you tried ChromeVox Next on Chrome OS M56?
> Thanks!
> 
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:59 AM Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com 
> <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote:
> The biggest problem with me getting into Chrome OS, for me at least, is that 
> there is no usable MUD client for that system, neither is there one for 
> Android, either. So Windows still has me with that.
> 
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com <http://www.aqua-mail.com/>
> On January 16, 2017 9:31:58 AM Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Simon,
>> 
>> ChromeVox works best within the ChromeBook environment.  I'm not familiar 
>> with it's functionality within Windows, but on the Mac, the biggest 
>> limitation of CV is that it does not work with the MacOS menu items etc.  
>> That is, it is a screen reading solution for everything within the 
>> web-content of the Chrome browser, but does not announce the MacOS aspects 
>> of the browser window nor the MacOS menus.  In a ChromeBook, this is not an 
>> issue as everything that CV needs to access is speakable.
>> 
>> Regarding Admin tools, you'd likely need to look in the Chrome Web Store.  
>> As in the MacApp Store, the Chrome Web Store has tons and tons of apps.  I 
>> suspect that there are such tools that you're speaking of, but cannot 
>> confirm right now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jan 16, 2017, at 00:46, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’d also like to have a look at the chrome book or more specifically 
>> chromevox
>> But I’d like to know if there are admin type tools and remote access 
>> services to other OS platforms such as windows or mac os.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Monday, 16 January 2017 2:02 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?
>>  
>> I will definitely give that a look.
>>  
>> Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.
>>  
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hey Scott,
>>  
>> If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. 
>> The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and 
>> delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.
>>  
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on 
>> to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few key 
>> changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to stick 
>> with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real improvements 
>> and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been trying windows 
>> lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think I’ll be changing 
>> my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a big upgrade in 
>> phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as well.  Google is 
>> doing very interesting things now, especially on the google home side of 
>> things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
>> > <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Shawn.
>> >
>> > Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
>> > then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and 
>> > are most important to you.
>> >

Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Devin Prater]

No, I've not: I don't have a physical Chromebook, just the Cloudready 
Virtual machine, which runs around chrome 54 or so. I do wish I had a 
Chromebook to test though. But what does Chrome 56 have to do with MUD clients?


Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On January 16, 2017 11:09:04 AM Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi Devin,

Have you tried ChromeVox Next on Chrome OS M56?
Thanks!

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:59 AM Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:


The biggest problem with me getting into Chrome OS, for me at least, is
that there is no usable MUD client for that system, neither is there one
for Android, either. So Windows still has me with that.

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com

On January 16, 2017 9:31:58 AM Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:

Simon,

ChromeVox works best within the ChromeBook environment.  I'm not familiar
with it's functionality within Windows, but on the Mac, the biggest
limitation of CV is that it does not work with the MacOS menu items etc.
That is, it is a screen reading solution for everything within the
web-content of the Chrome browser, but does not announce the MacOS aspects
of the browser window nor the MacOS menus.  In a ChromeBook, this is not an
issue as everything that CV needs to access is speakable.

Regarding Admin tools, you'd likely need to look in the Chrome Web Store.
As in the MacApp Store, the Chrome Web Store has tons and tons of apps.  I
suspect that there are such tools that you're speaking of, but cannot
confirm right now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 16, 2017, at 00:46, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

I’d also like to have a look at the chrome book or more specifically
chromevox
But I’d like to know if there are admin type tools and remote access
services to other OS platforms such as windows or mac os.

*From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] *On
Behalf Of *Scott Granados
*Sent:* Monday, 16 January 2017 2:02 AM
*To:* MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

I will definitely give that a look.

Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.


On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Scott,

If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome
OS/Books. The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance,
support, and delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on
to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few
key changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to
stick with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real
improvements and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been
trying windows lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think
I’ll be changing my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a
big upgrade in phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as
well.  Google is doing very interesting things now, especially on the
google home side of things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.


> On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Shawn.
>
> Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions
as then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do,
and are most important to you.
>
> Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
>
> Hope you get your new computer soon.
>
> Kawal.
>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big
goal I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be
able to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis
and I want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's
released.
>>
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> For once, I like your resolution.
>>>
>>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year
if any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion
first and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I
will go for a proper considered approach.
>>>
>&

Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Kevin Chao]

Hi Devin,

Have you tried ChromeVox Next on Chrome OS M56?
Thanks!

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 7:59 AM Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:

> The biggest problem with me getting into Chrome OS, for me at least, is
> that there is no usable MUD client for that system, neither is there one
> for Android, either. So Windows still has me with that.
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
> On January 16, 2017 9:31:58 AM Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>
> Simon,
>
> ChromeVox works best within the ChromeBook environment.  I'm not familiar
> with it's functionality within Windows, but on the Mac, the biggest
> limitation of CV is that it does not work with the MacOS menu items etc.
> That is, it is a screen reading solution for everything within the
> web-content of the Chrome browser, but does not announce the MacOS aspects
> of the browser window nor the MacOS menus.  In a ChromeBook, this is not an
> issue as everything that CV needs to access is speakable.
>
> Regarding Admin tools, you'd likely need to look in the Chrome Web Store.
> As in the MacApp Store, the Chrome Web Store has tons and tons of apps.  I
> suspect that there are such tools that you're speaking of, but cannot
> confirm right now.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 00:46, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>
> I’d also like to have a look at the chrome book or more specifically
> chromevox
> But I’d like to know if there are admin type tools and remote access
> services to other OS platforms such as windows or mac os.
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Scott Granados
> *Sent:* Monday, 16 January 2017 2:02 AM
> *To:* MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?
>
> I will definitely give that a look.
>
> Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Scott,
>
> If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome
> OS/Books. The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance,
> support, and delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on
> to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few
> key changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to
> stick with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real
> improvements and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been
> trying windows lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think
> I’ll be changing my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a
> big upgrade in phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as
> well.  Google is doing very interesting things now, especially on the
> google home side of things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Shawn.
> >
> > Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions
> as then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do,
> and are most important to you.
> >
> > Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
> >
> > Hope you get your new computer soon.
> >
> > Kawal.
> >> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big
> goal I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be
> able to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis
> and I want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's
> released.
> >>
> >> Shawn
> >> Sent From My White MacBook
> >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> >> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> >> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> >> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> >>
> >>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Mark,
> >>>
> >>> For once, I like your resolution.
> >>>
> >>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year
> if any new apple product comes out, I am going to get

Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Devin Prater]

The biggest problem with me getting into Chrome OS, for me at least, is 
that there is no usable MUD client for that system, neither is there one 
for Android, either. So Windows still has me with that.


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On January 16, 2017 9:31:58 AM Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:


Simon,

ChromeVox works best within the ChromeBook environment.  I'm not familiar 
with it's functionality within Windows, but on the Mac, the biggest 
limitation of CV is that it does not work with the MacOS menu items etc.  
That is, it is a screen reading solution for everything within the 
web-content of the Chrome browser, but does not announce the MacOS aspects 
of the browser window nor the MacOS menus.  In a ChromeBook, this is not an 
issue as everything that CV needs to access is speakable.


Regarding Admin tools, you'd likely need to look in the Chrome Web Store.  
As in the MacApp Store, the Chrome Web Store has tons and tons of apps.  I 
suspect that there are such tools that you're speaking of, but cannot 
confirm right now.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 16, 2017, at 00:46, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

I’d also like to have a look at the chrome book or more specifically chromevox
But I’d like to know if there are admin type tools and remote access 
services to other OS platforms such as windows or mac os.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados

Sent: Monday, 16 January 2017 2:02 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>

Subject: Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

I will definitely give that a look.

Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.

On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hey Scott,

If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. 
The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and 
delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.


On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on 
to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few 
key changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to 
stick with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real 
improvements and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been 
trying windows lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think 
I’ll be changing my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a 
big upgrade in phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as 
well.  Google is doing very interesting things now, especially on the 
google home side of things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.



On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:


Hi Shawn.

Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and 
are most important to you.


Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.

Hope you get your new computer soon.

Kawal.
On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com 
<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:


Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal 
I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be able 
to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis and I 
want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's released.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>

On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:


Mark,

For once, I like your resolution.

As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if 
any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion first 
and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I will go 
for a proper considered approach.


Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he 
said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it 
after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I saved 
myself from an unwise purchase.


However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the 

Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Tim Kilburn]

Simon,

ChromeVox works best within the ChromeBook environment.  I'm not familiar with 
it's functionality within Windows, but on the Mac, the biggest limitation of CV 
is that it does not work with the MacOS menu items etc.  That is, it is a 
screen reading solution for everything within the web-content of the Chrome 
browser, but does not announce the MacOS aspects of the browser window nor the 
MacOS menus.  In a ChromeBook, this is not an issue as everything that CV needs 
to access is speakable.

Regarding Admin tools, you'd likely need to look in the Chrome Web Store.  As 
in the MacApp Store, the Chrome Web Store has tons and tons of apps.  I suspect 
that there are such tools that you're speaking of, but cannot confirm right now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 16, 2017, at 00:46, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

I’d also like to have a look at the chrome book or more specifically chromevox
But I’d like to know if there are admin type tools and remote access services 
to other OS platforms such as windows or mac os.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 16 January 2017 2:02 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?
 
I will definitely give that a look.
 
Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.
 
On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hey Scott,
 
If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. The 
new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and delight 
factors compared to legacy screen readers.
 
On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on to 
Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few key 
changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to stick with 
my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real improvements and 
changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been trying windows lately 
and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think I’ll be changing my laptop 
game around much but I’m going to really see a big upgrade in phones from Apple 
this year.  Siri needs serious work as well.  Google is doing very interesting 
things now, especially on the google home side of things and I’m having a blast 
with that equipment.


> On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Shawn.
>
> Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
> then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and are 
> most important to you.
>
> Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
>
> Hope you get your new computer soon.
>
> Kawal.
>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal I 
>> have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be able to 
>> run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis and I 
>> want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's released.
>>
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> For once, I like your resolution.
>>>
>>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if 
>>> any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion first 
>>> and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I will go 
>>> for a proper considered approach.
>>>
>>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
>>> Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he 
>>> said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it 
>>> after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I saved 
>>> myself from an unwise purchase.
>>>

Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Devin Prater]

I still think Emacs with Emacspeak is a little more delightful to use than 
Chromevox, but ChromeVox comes in closely because of the earcons.


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On January 14, 2017 5:41:41 PM Kevin Chao  wrote:


Hey Scott,

If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books.
The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and
delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados 
wrote:


I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on
to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few
key changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to
stick with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real
improvements and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been
trying windows lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think
I’ll be changing my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a
big upgrade in phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as
well.  Google is doing very interesting things now, especially on the
google home side of things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.


> On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>
> Hi Shawn.
>
> Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions
as then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do,
and are most important to you.
>
> Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
>
> Hope you get your new computer soon.
>
> Kawal.
>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>
>> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big
goal I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be
able to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis
and I want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's
released.
>>
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> For once, I like your resolution.
>>>
>>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year
if any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion
first and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I
will go for a proper considered approach.
>>>
>>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second
Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he
said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it
after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I saved
myself from an unwise purchase.
>>>
>>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the
I phone, I went for it.
>>>
>>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to
go up (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in
the short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope
we have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if you
live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen.  If
anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose their
big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
>>>
>>> Kawal.
 On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor  wrote:

 Hello Everyone,

 I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017
new year
 resolutions?

 As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1
app
 developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility
in its
 updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver
accessible app
 developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its
offerings.

 I look forward to your replies,

 Mark

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RE: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Devin Prater]

There is Chrome remote desktop, but I've not tried that yet.

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On January 16, 2017 1:47:03 AM Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:


I’d also like to have a look at the chrome book or more specifically chromevox
But I’d like to know if there are admin type tools and remote access 
services to other OS platforms such as windows or mac os.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados

Sent: Monday, 16 January 2017 2:02 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

I will definitely give that a look.

Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.

On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao 
<kevincha...@gmail.com<mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hey Scott,

If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. 
The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and 
delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.


On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on 
to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few 
key changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to 
stick with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real 
improvements and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been 
trying windows lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think 
I’ll be changing my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a 
big upgrade in phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as 
well.  Google is doing very interesting things now, especially on the 
google home side of things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.



On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
<kgli...@icloud.com<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:


Hi Shawn.

Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and 
are most important to you.


Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.

Hope you get your new computer soon.

Kawal.
On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk 
<bbssh...@icloud.com<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:


Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal 
I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be able 
to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis and I 
want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's released.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>

On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
<kgli...@icloud.com<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:


Mark,

For once, I like your resolution.

As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if 
any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion first 
and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I will go 
for a proper considered approach.


Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he 
said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it 
after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I saved 
myself from an unwise purchase.


However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
phone, I went for it.


With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to go up 
(as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in the 
short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope we 
have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if you 
live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen.  If 
anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose their 
big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.


Kawal.
On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
wrote:


Hello Everyone,

I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new year
resolutions?

As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 app
developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility in its
updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible app
developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its offerings.

I look forward to your replies,

Mark

--
The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
Visionaries lis

RE: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Simon Fogarty]

I’d also like to have a look at the chrome book or more specifically chromevox
But I’d like to know if there are admin type tools and remote access services 
to other OS platforms such as windows or mac os.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 16 January 2017 2:02 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

I will definitely give that a look.

Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.

On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao 
<kevincha...@gmail.com<mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey Scott,

If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. The 
new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and delight 
factors compared to legacy screen readers.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on to 
Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few key 
changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to stick with 
my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real improvements and 
changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been trying windows lately 
and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think I’ll be changing my laptop 
game around much but I’m going to really see a big upgrade in phones from Apple 
this year.  Siri needs serious work as well.  Google is doing very interesting 
things now, especially on the google home side of things and I’m having a blast 
with that equipment.


> On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
> <kgli...@icloud.com<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Shawn.
>
> Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
> then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and are 
> most important to you.
>
> Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
>
> Hope you get your new computer soon.
>
> Kawal.
>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk 
>> <bbssh...@icloud.com<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal I 
>> have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be able to 
>> run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis and I 
>> want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's released.
>>
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>>> <kgli...@icloud.com<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> For once, I like your resolution.
>>>
>>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if 
>>> any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion first 
>>> and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I will go 
>>> for a proper considered approach.
>>>
>>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
>>> Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he 
>>> said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it 
>>> after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I saved 
>>> myself from an unwise purchase.
>>>
>>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
>>> phone, I went for it.
>>>
>>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to go up 
>>> (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in the 
>>> short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope we 
>>> have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if you 
>>> live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen.  If 
>>> anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose their 
>>> big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
>>>
>>> Kawal.
>>>> On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor 
>>>> <mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I was just wondering if any of you have made an

Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Kevin Chao]

Braille support on Chrome OS/Vox Next is based on brltty.
I use VarioUltra 40 with Google Pixel 2 all of the time :)

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 5:41 AM Anders Holmberg 
wrote:

> Hi!
> If one could get brltty to run under ChromeOs i maybe would like to try it
> but i still do love my mac.
> But since i don’t use any home automation yet i may be lucky for a while.
> /A
>
> 15 jan. 2017 kl. 14:02 skrev Scott Granados :
>
> I will definitely give that a look.
>
> Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.
>
> On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> Hey Scott,
>
> If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome
> OS/Books. The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance,
> support, and delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados 
> wrote:
>
> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on
> to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few
> key changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to
> stick with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real
> improvements and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been
> trying windows lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think
> I’ll be changing my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a
> big upgrade in phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as
> well.  Google is doing very interesting things now, especially on the
> google home side of things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Shawn.
> >
> > Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions
> as then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do,
> and are most important to you.
> >
> > Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
> >
> > Hope you get your new computer soon.
> >
> > Kawal.
> >> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> >>
> >> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big
> goal I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be
> able to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis
> and I want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's
> released.
> >>
> >> Shawn
> >> Sent From My White MacBook
> >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> >> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> >> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> >> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> >>
> >>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Mark,
> >>>
> >>> For once, I like your resolution.
> >>>
> >>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year
> if any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion
> first and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I
> will go for a proper considered approach.
> >>>
> >>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second
> Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he
> said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it
> after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I saved
> myself from an unwise purchase.
> >>>
> >>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the
> I phone, I went for it.
> >>>
> >>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to
> go up (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in
> the short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope
> we have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if you
> live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen.  If
> anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose their
> big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
> >>>
> >>> Kawal.
>  On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
>  Hello Everyone,
> 
>  I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017
> new year
>  resolutions?
> 
>  As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1
> app
>  developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility
> in its
>  updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver
> accessible app
>  developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its
> offerings.
> 
>  I look forward to your replies,
> 
>  Mark
> 
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[David Chittenden]

I purchased an Acer ChromeBook last year. ChromeVox, the ChromeBook's screen 
reader is basic. I played with it about four weeks ago, and it is still to 
basic for anything but the simplest of web work. I cannot recommend the 
ChromeBook for any blind person. It is still too limited.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 16/01/2017, at 02:02, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I will definitely give that a look.
> 
> Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. 
>> The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and 
>> delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on 
>>> to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few 
>>> key changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to 
>>> stick with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real 
>>> improvements and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been 
>>> trying windows lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think 
>>> I’ll be changing my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a 
>>> big upgrade in phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as 
>>> well.  Google is doing very interesting things now, especially on the 
>>> google home side of things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Shawn.
>>> >
>>> > Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions 
>>> > as then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, 
>>> > and are most important to you.
>>> >
>>> > Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
>>> >
>>> > Hope you get your new computer soon.
>>> >
>>> > Kawal.
>>> >> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big 
>>> >> goal I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't 
>>> >> be able to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly 
>>> >> basis and I want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS 
>>> >> once it's released.
>>> >>
>>> >> Shawn
>>> >> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> >> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> >> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> >> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mark,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> For once, I like your resolution.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year 
>>> >>> if any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion 
>>> >>> first and not just rely on the company who will market their product as 
>>> >>> I will go for a proper considered approach.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
>>> >>> Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what 
>>> >>> he said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he 
>>> >>> sold it after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, 
>>> >>> but I saved myself from an unwise purchase.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
>>> >>> phone, I went for it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to 
>>> >>> go up (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive 
>>> >>> in the short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I 
>>> >>> hope we have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store 
>>> >>> here if you live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they 
>>> >>> are chosen.  If anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland 
>>> >>> who will lose their big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Kawal.
>>>  On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>>  I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 
>>>  new year
>>>  resolutions?
>>> 
>>>  As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 
>>>  app
>>>  developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility 
>>>  in its
>>>  updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver 
>>>  accessible app
>>>  developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its 
>>>  offerings.
>>> 
>>> 

Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
If one could get brltty to run under ChromeOs i maybe would like to try it but 
i still do love my mac.
But since i don’t use any home automation yet i may be lucky for a while.
/A
> 15 jan. 2017 kl. 14:02 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I will definitely give that a look.
> 
> Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. 
>> The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and 
>> delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on 
>> to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few key 
>> changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to stick 
>> with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real improvements 
>> and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been trying windows 
>> lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think I’ll be changing 
>> my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a big upgrade in 
>> phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as well.  Google is 
>> doing very interesting things now, especially on the google home side of 
>> things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Shawn.
>> >
>> > Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
>> > then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and 
>> > are most important to you.
>> >
>> > Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
>> >
>> > Hope you get your new computer soon.
>> >
>> > Kawal.
>> >> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big 
>> >> goal I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't 
>> >> be able to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly 
>> >> basis and I want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once 
>> >> it's released.
>> >>
>> >> Shawn
>> >> Sent From My White MacBook
>> >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> >> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> >> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> >> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> >>
>> >>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Mark,
>> >>>
>> >>> For once, I like your resolution.
>> >>>
>> >>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year 
>> >>> if any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion 
>> >>> first and not just rely on the company who will market their product as 
>> >>> I will go for a proper considered approach.
>> >>>
>> >>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
>> >>> Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he 
>> >>> said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold 
>> >>> it after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I 
>> >>> saved myself from an unwise purchase.
>> >>>
>> >>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
>> >>> phone, I went for it.
>> >>>
>> >>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to go 
>> >>> up (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in 
>> >>> the short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I 
>> >>> hope we have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store 
>> >>> here if you live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they 
>> >>> are chosen.  If anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland 
>> >>> who will lose their big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
>> >>>
>> >>> Kawal.
>>  On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor >  > wrote:
>> 
>>  Hello Everyone,
>> 
>>  I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new 
>>  year
>>  resolutions?
>> 
>>  As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 
>>  app
>>  developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility 
>>  in its
>>  updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible 
>>  app
>>  developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its 
>>  offerings.
>> 
>>  I look forward to your replies,
>> 
>>  Mark
>> 

Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Scott Granados]

I will definitely give that a look.

Chrome book sounds like an interesting way to go.

> On Jan 14, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books. 
> The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and 
> delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on to 
> Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few key 
> changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to stick 
> with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real improvements 
> and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been trying windows 
> lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think I’ll be changing my 
> laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a big upgrade in phones 
> from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as well.  Google is doing very 
> interesting things now, especially on the google home side of things and I’m 
> having a blast with that equipment.
> 
> 
> > On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Shawn.
> >
> > Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
> > then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and 
> > are most important to you.
> >
> > Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
> >
> > Hope you get your new computer soon.
> >
> > Kawal.
> >> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal 
> >> I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be 
> >> able to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis 
> >> and I want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's 
> >> released.
> >>
> >> Shawn
> >> Sent From My White MacBook
> >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> >> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> >> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> >> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> >>
> >>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Mark,
> >>>
> >>> For once, I like your resolution.
> >>>
> >>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if 
> >>> any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion 
> >>> first and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I 
> >>> will go for a proper considered approach.
> >>>
> >>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
> >>> Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he 
> >>> said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold 
> >>> it after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I 
> >>> saved myself from an unwise purchase.
> >>>
> >>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
> >>> phone, I went for it.
> >>>
> >>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to go 
> >>> up (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in 
> >>> the short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope 
> >>> we have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if 
> >>> you live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen. 
> >>>  If anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose 
> >>> their big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
> >>>
> >>> Kawal.
>  On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor   > wrote:
> 
>  Hello Everyone,
> 
>  I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new 
>  year
>  resolutions?
> 
>  As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 app
>  developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility in 
>  its
>  updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible 
>  app
>  developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its 
>  offerings.
> 
>  I look forward to your replies,
> 
>  Mark
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi. I set goals, and my goal for this year is.
Get, needed or at least starting on certain operations,
2. build an FAA approved flight cockpit.
Yes, it will be mac driving it .
So thats it.
Amazon, here we come :)

On 1/14/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> I did although it's not an apple based resolution as such or then again is
> it.
>
>  I gave up drinking on new years eve,
>  My last drinks were a bottle of wine and 6 cyders, that's apple cyder and a
> cople of other flavours.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2017 10:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?
>
> Hi!
> The only resolution i give is to not give any resolutions.
> /A
>> 12 jan. 2017 kl. 20:55 skrev M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu>:
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017
>> new year resolutions?
>>
>> As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1
>> app developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver
>> accessibility in its updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently
>> non-VoiceOver accessible app developer to either add or improve VoiceOver
>> accessibility to its offerings.
>>
>> I look forward to your replies,
>>
>> Mark
>>
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RE: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Simon Fogarty]

I did although it's not an apple based resolution as such or then again is it.

 I gave up drinking on new years eve,
 My last drinks were a bottle of wine and 6 cyders, that's apple cyder and a 
cople of other flavours.



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Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2017 10:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

Hi!
The only resolution i give is to not give any resolutions.
/A
> 12 jan. 2017 kl. 20:55 skrev M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu>:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 
> new year resolutions?
> 
> As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 
> app developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver 
> accessibility in its updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently 
> non-VoiceOver accessible app developer to either add or improve VoiceOver 
> accessibility to its offerings.
> 
> I look forward to your replies,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[David Chittenden]

I agree with you. We just got an Amazon Fire Stick. The speech recognition is 
good. Need to run it through a VPN router for Amazon Prime.

I saw a Dutch company which is doing interesting things with Android phone. 
They have a ruggedized, shock-proof, dual SIM phone for around $400 USD.

Kind regards,

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> On 15/01/2017, at 00:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on to 
> Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few key 
> changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to stick 
> with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real improvements 
> and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been trying windows 
> lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think I’ll be changing my 
> laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a big upgrade in phones 
> from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as well.  Google is doing very 
> interesting things now, especially on the google home side of things and I’m 
> having a blast with that equipment.  
> 
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shawn.
>> 
>> Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
>> then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and 
>> are most important to you.
>> 
>> Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
>> 
>> Hope you get your new computer soon.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal 
>>> I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be able 
>>> to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis and I 
>>> want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's released.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Mark,
 
 For once, I like your resolution.
 
 As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if 
 any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion first 
 and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I will 
 go for a proper considered approach.
 
 Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
 Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he 
 said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it 
 after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I 
 saved myself from an unwise purchase.
 
 However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
 phone, I went for it.
 
 With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to go 
 up (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in the 
 short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope we 
 have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if you 
 live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen.  If 
 anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose 
 their big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
 
 Kawal.
> On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new 
> year
> resolutions?
> 
> As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 app
> developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility in 
> its
> updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible 
> app
> developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its 
> offerings.
> 
> I look forward to your replies,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Kevin Chao]

Hey Scott,

If you haven't done so yet, I'd recommend taking a look at Chrome OS/Books.
The new rewrite, ChromeVox Next has the best performance, support, and
delight factors compared to legacy screen readers.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 5:59 AM Scott Granados 
wrote:

> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on
> to Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few
> key changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to
> stick with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real
> improvements and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been
> trying windows lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think
> I’ll be changing my laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a
> big upgrade in phones from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as
> well.  Google is doing very interesting things now, especially on the
> google home side of things and I’m having a blast with that equipment.
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Shawn.
> >
> > Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions
> as then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do,
> and are most important to you.
> >
> > Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
> >
> > Hope you get your new computer soon.
> >
> > Kawal.
> >> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> >>
> >> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big
> goal I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be
> able to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis
> and I want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's
> released.
> >>
> >> Shawn
> >> Sent From My White MacBook
> >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> >> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> >> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> >> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> >>
> >>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Mark,
> >>>
> >>> For once, I like your resolution.
> >>>
> >>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year
> if any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion
> first and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I
> will go for a proper considered approach.
> >>>
> >>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second
> Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he
> said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it
> after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I saved
> myself from an unwise purchase.
> >>>
> >>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the
> I phone, I went for it.
> >>>
> >>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to
> go up (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in
> the short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope
> we have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if you
> live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen.  If
> anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose their
> big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
> >>>
> >>> Kawal.
>  On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
>  Hello Everyone,
> 
>  I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017
> new year
>  resolutions?
> 
>  As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1
> app
>  developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility
> in its
>  updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver
> accessible app
>  developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its
> offerings.
> 
>  I look forward to your replies,
> 
>  Mark
> 
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yeah, the siri as you stated in an earlier message is far behind.
I have problems sometimes to make her understand me.
And today i did a search on youtube by voice.
It worked like a charm, i didn’t even had to change any language settings.
The swedish google seemd to understand my english search criteria.
And by the way i searched for our reactor is on fire.
Watch the first link.
Scary!
/A
> 14 jan. 2017 kl. 14:59 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on to 
> Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few key 
> changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to stick 
> with my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real improvements 
> and changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been trying windows 
> lately and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think I’ll be changing my 
> laptop game around much but I’m going to really see a big upgrade in phones 
> from Apple this year.  Siri needs serious work as well.  Google is doing very 
> interesting things now, especially on the google home side of things and I’m 
> having a blast with that equipment.  
> 
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shawn.
>> 
>> Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
>> then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and 
>> are most important to you.
>> 
>> Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
>> 
>> Hope you get your new computer soon.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal 
>>> I have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be able 
>>> to run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis and I 
>>> want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's released.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Mark,
 
 For once, I like your resolution.
 
 As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if 
 any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion first 
 and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I will 
 go for a proper considered approach.
 
 Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
 Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he 
 said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it 
 after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I 
 saved myself from an unwise purchase.
 
 However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
 phone, I went for it.
 
 With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to go 
 up (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in the 
 short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope we 
 have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if you 
 live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen.  If 
 anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose 
 their big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
 
 Kawal.
> On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new 
> year
> resolutions?
> 
> As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 app
> developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility in 
> its
> updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible 
> app
> developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its 
> offerings.
> 
> I look forward to your replies,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The only resolution i give is to not give any resolutions.
/A
> 12 jan. 2017 kl. 20:55 skrev M. Taylor :
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new year
> resolutions?
> 
> As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 app
> developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility in its
> updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible app
> developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its offerings.
> 
> I look forward to your replies,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Scott Granados]

I think over the next year I’ll be diversifying a bit off of apple more on to 
Google.  I like what Google is doing now and think if they make a few key 
changes their next phone could be a real power house.  I’m going to stick with 
my iPhones and Macs but I need to see Apple make some real improvements and 
changes to remain exclusive like I have been.  I’ve been trying windows lately 
and still hate it as much as ever so I don’t think I’ll be changing my laptop 
game around much but I’m going to really see a big upgrade in phones from Apple 
this year.  Siri needs serious work as well.  Google is doing very interesting 
things now, especially on the google home side of things and I’m having a blast 
with that equipment.  
 

> On Jan 14, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Shawn.
> 
> Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as 
> then you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and are 
> most important to you.
> 
> Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.
> 
> Hope you get your new computer soon.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal I 
>> have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be able to 
>> run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis and I 
>> want to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's released.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mark,
>>> 
>>> For once, I like your resolution.
>>> 
>>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if 
>>> any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion first 
>>> and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I will go 
>>> for a proper considered approach.
>>> 
>>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second 
>>> Generation and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he 
>>> said, I did not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it 
>>> after being disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I saved 
>>> myself from an unwise purchase.
>>> 
>>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
>>> phone, I went for it.
>>> 
>>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to go up 
>>> (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in the 
>>> short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope we 
>>> have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if you 
>>> live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen.  If 
>>> anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose their 
>>> big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new 
 year
 resolutions?
 
 As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 app
 developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility in 
 its
 updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible app
 developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its 
 offerings.
 
 I look forward to your replies,
 
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Shawn.

Yes, I agree with you there.  I also have goals rather than resolutions as then 
you will stick to goals as these are what you really want to do, and are most 
important to you.

Thinking about it, I prefer goals rather than resolutions.

Hope you get your new computer soon.

Kawal.
> On 13 Jan 2017, at 21:57, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal I 
> have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be able to 
> run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis and I want 
> to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's released.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> For once, I like your resolution.
>> 
>> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if 
>> any new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion first 
>> and not just rely on the company who will market their product as I will go 
>> for a proper considered approach.
>> 
>> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second Generation 
>> and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he said, I did 
>> not buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it after being 
>> disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I saved myself from 
>> an unwise purchase.
>> 
>> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
>> phone, I went for it.
>> 
>> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to go up 
>> (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in the 
>> short term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope we 
>> have more Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if you 
>> live in a  handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen.  If 
>> anyone knows, please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose their 
>> big store thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new year
>>> resolutions?
>>> 
>>> As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 app
>>> developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility in its
>>> updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible app
>>> developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its offerings.
>>> 
>>> I look forward to your replies,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Well Mark, first off, I don't make resolutions, I make goals. The big goal I 
have is to get a new Mac by the summer as this one probably won't be able to 
run the next operating system. I teach a student on a weekly basis and I want 
to be able to tell her what to expect in the new OS once it's released.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Jan 12, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> For once, I like your resolution.
> 
> As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if any 
> new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion first and 
> not just rely on the company who will market their product as I will go for a 
> proper considered approach.
> 
> Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second Generation 
> and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he said, I did not 
> buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it after being 
> disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I saved myself from 
> an unwise purchase.
> 
> However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I 
> phone, I went for it.
> 
> With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to go up 
> (as they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in the short 
> term.  However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope we have more 
> Apple stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if you live in a  
> handful of cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen.  If anyone knows, 
> please enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose their big store 
> thanks to the EU's greed re taxes.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new year
>> resolutions?
>> 
>> As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 app
>> developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility in its
>> updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible app
>> developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its offerings.
>> 
>> I look forward to your replies,
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Mark,

For once, I like your resolution.

As for myself, although I don't believe in resolutions, like last year if any 
new apple product comes out, I am going to get an honest opinion first and not 
just rely on the company who will market their product as I will go for a 
proper considered approach.

Last year, I waited for a friend to buy his Apple I watch, second Generation 
and after a week, I asked him for his view.  Based on what he said, I did not 
buy the watch.  I was very glad as I heard that he sold it after being 
disappointed.  Just a shame he lost a bit of money, but I saved myself from an 
unwise purchase.

However, based on the companies description of stereo speakers on the I phone, 
I went for it.

With the Brexit negotiations, you don't know if inflation is going to go up (as 
they say it will), therefore, products will become expensive in the short term. 
 However, if Apple are moving here to the UK, then I hope we have more Apple 
stores as you can only go to the Apple store here if you live in a  handful of 
cities.  I don't even know how they are chosen.  If anyone knows, please 
enlighten me.  Bad luck to Ireland who will lose their big store thanks to the 
EU's greed re taxes.

Kawal.
> On 12 Jan 2017, at 19:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new year
> resolutions?
> 
> As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 app
> developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility in its
> updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible app
> developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its offerings.
> 
> I look forward to your replies,
> 
> Mark
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Any 2017 Apple-Related New Year Resolutions?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I was just wondering if any of you have made any Apple related 2017 new year
resolutions?

As for me, my 2017 resolution is to (1), thank/acknowledge at least 1 app
developer per month for continuing to include VoiceOver accessibility in its
updates and (2), to lobby at least 1 currently non-VoiceOver accessible app
developer to either add or improve VoiceOver accessibility to its offerings.

I look forward to your replies,

Mark

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