RE: GPS Apps

[Simon A Fogarty]

Well not many of them anyway,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Saturday, 2 May 2020 3:52 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: GPS Apps

Hmm, You don’t know the dead.
/A


30 apr. 2020 kl. 23:22 skrev Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>>:

Good point, that could be it. As long as the bus driver wasn’t drunk. But you 
know what it is like to get up close and personal with a bus. I don’t mind 
living across the road from a cemetery, at least they won’t have parties all 
night. If they did I’d be  keen to go party with them.


On 1/05/2020, at 09:02, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Petrus,

I hope those folks in the cematary aren’t there because the bus was late?

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Sent: Thursday, 30 April 2020 9:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Apps

Sorry, can’t really help with that one. GPS technology depends on a lot of 
things. How many GPS  signals your phone is picking up to triangulate your 
position can effect it and I’ve heard that even cloud cover can effect it .  
Suppose the orientation of your phone and weather you have it in a pocket or 
not can effect it too, but I just opened the app as I’m sitting inside at my 
table and it told me that the cemetery and bus stop is 112m to my south which 
is correct. And it does get updated quite regularly so it c could just be a bug 
that will get fixed at some point. You can also open the category filter so you 
can change what it tells you if you don’t want to know about entertainment 
places and shops and so on.
It’s not to  bad for a free app..



On 30/04/2020, at 00:27, Paul Hopewell 
mailto:hopew...@hopewell.org.uk>> wrote:

Hello Petrus,
Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this morning 
and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the compass direction 
in which I am walking.
One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side road 
is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a side road 
and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me that the side 
road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it only does this on 
rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell

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Re: GPS Apps

[Anders Holmberg]

Hmm, You don’t know the dead.
/A

> 30 apr. 2020 kl. 23:22 skrev Petrus Tuerlings :
> 
> Good point, that could be it. As long as the bus driver wasn’t drunk. But you 
> know what it is like to get up close and personal with a bus. I don’t mind 
> living across the road from a cemetery, at least they won’t have parties all 
> night. If they did I’d be  keen to go party with them.
> 
>> On 1/05/2020, at 09:02, Simon A Fogarty > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Petrus,
>>  
>> I hope those folks in the cematary aren’t there because the bus was late?
>>  
>> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>> Sent: Thursday, 30 April 2020 9:07 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: GPS Apps
>>  
>> Sorry, can’t really help with that one. GPS technology depends on a lot of 
>> things. How many GPS  signals your phone is picking up to triangulate your 
>> position can effect it and I’ve heard that even cloud cover can effect it .  
>> Suppose the orientation of your phone and weather you have it in a pocket or 
>> not can effect it too, but I just opened the app as I’m sitting inside at my 
>> table and it told me that the cemetery and bus stop is 112m to my south 
>> which is correct. And it does get updated quite regularly so it c could just 
>> be a bug that will get fixed at some point. You can also open the category 
>> filter so you can change what it tells you if you don’t want to know about 
>> entertainment places and shops and so on. 
>> It’s not to  bad for a free app..
>> 
>> 
>> On 30/04/2020, at 00:27, Paul Hopewell > <mailto:hopew...@hopewell.org.uk>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hello Petrus,
>> Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this morning 
>> and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the compass 
>> direction in which I am walking.
>> One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side 
>> road is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a 
>> side road and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me that 
>> the side road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it only 
>> does this on rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
>> Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell
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RE: GPS Apps

[Simon A Fogarty]

Trust me,
I’m extremely cautious
Of public transport these days,

As for cematarys
Yeah lived across the road from one for a few months myself,

They never caused any issues or had noisy parties at least hat I could hear.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 1 May 2020 9:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: GPS Apps

Good point, that could be it. As long as the bus driver wasn’t drunk. But you 
know what it is like to get up close and personal with a bus. I don’t mind 
living across the road from a cemetery, at least they won’t have parties all 
night. If they did I’d be  keen to go party with them.


On 1/05/2020, at 09:02, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Petrus,

I hope those folks in the cematary aren’t there because the bus was late?

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Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 30 April 2020 9:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Apps

Sorry, can’t really help with that one. GPS technology depends on a lot of 
things. How many GPS  signals your phone is picking up to triangulate your 
position can effect it and I’ve heard that even cloud cover can effect it .  
Suppose the orientation of your phone and weather you have it in a pocket or 
not can effect it too, but I just opened the app as I’m sitting inside at my 
table and it told me that the cemetery and bus stop is 112m to my south which 
is correct. And it does get updated quite regularly so it c could just be a bug 
that will get fixed at some point. You can also open the category filter so you 
can change what it tells you if you don’t want to know about entertainment 
places and shops and so on.
It’s not to  bad for a free app..



On 30/04/2020, at 00:27, Paul Hopewell 
mailto:hopew...@hopewell.org.uk>> wrote:

Hello Petrus,
Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this morning 
and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the compass direction 
in which I am walking.
One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side road 
is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a side road 
and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me that the side 
road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it only does this on 
rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell

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Re: GPS Apps

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Good point, that could be it. As long as the bus driver wasn’t drunk. But you 
know what it is like to get up close and personal with a bus. I don’t mind 
living across the road from a cemetery, at least they won’t have parties all 
night. If they did I’d be  keen to go party with them.

> On 1/05/2020, at 09:02, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Petrus,
>  
> I hope those folks in the cematary aren’t there because the bus was late?
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 30 April 2020 9:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: GPS Apps
>  
> Sorry, can’t really help with that one. GPS technology depends on a lot of 
> things. How many GPS  signals your phone is picking up to triangulate your 
> position can effect it and I’ve heard that even cloud cover can effect it .  
> Suppose the orientation of your phone and weather you have it in a pocket or 
> not can effect it too, but I just opened the app as I’m sitting inside at my 
> table and it told me that the cemetery and bus stop is 112m to my south which 
> is correct. And it does get updated quite regularly so it c could just be a 
> bug that will get fixed at some point. You can also open the category filter 
> so you can change what it tells you if you don’t want to know about 
> entertainment places and shops and so on. 
> It’s not to  bad for a free app..
> 
> 
> On 30/04/2020, at 00:27, Paul Hopewell  <mailto:hopew...@hopewell.org.uk>> wrote:
>  
> Hello Petrus,
> Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this morning 
> and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the compass 
> direction in which I am walking.
> One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side 
> road is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a side 
> road and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me that the 
> side road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it only does 
> this on rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
> Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell
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RE: GPS Apps

[Simon A Fogarty]

Petrus,

I hope those folks in the cematary aren’t there because the bus was late?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Thursday, 30 April 2020 9:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: GPS Apps

Sorry, can’t really help with that one. GPS technology depends on a lot of 
things. How many GPS  signals your phone is picking up to triangulate your 
position can effect it and I’ve heard that even cloud cover can effect it .  
Suppose the orientation of your phone and weather you have it in a pocket or 
not can effect it too, but I just opened the app as I’m sitting inside at my 
table and it told me that the cemetery and bus stop is 112m to my south which 
is correct. And it does get updated quite regularly so it c could just be a bug 
that will get fixed at some point. You can also open the category filter so you 
can change what it tells you if you don’t want to know about entertainment 
places and shops and so on.
It’s not to  bad for a free app..


On 30/04/2020, at 00:27, Paul Hopewell 
mailto:hopew...@hopewell.org.uk>> wrote:

Hello Petrus,
Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this morning 
and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the compass direction 
in which I am walking.
One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side road 
is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a side road 
and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me that the side 
road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it only does this on 
rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell

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Re: GPS Apps

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I can’t comment on that as I’ve never used Blind squared. 

> On 30/04/2020, at 10:43, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> What’s supposed to be the difference between Lazarillo and blind square?  
> I’ve used both, and from what I can tell, they seem to be vary similar, other 
> than one is a free app, and one is a paid app.
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 6:27 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I tried Lazarillo in Spain as I was on holiday and it was hopeless. It was 
>> reporting streets & places in a chaotic way. So I ‘m afraid I’m disappointed 
>> in this app.
>>> On 29 Apr 2020, at 13:27, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Petrus,
>>> Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this 
>>> morning and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the 
>>> compass direction in which I am walking.
>>> One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side 
>>> road is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a 
>>> side road and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me 
>>> that the side road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it 
>>> only does this on rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
>>> Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Re: GPS Apps

[Petrus Tuerlings]

It could have been the fault of the App, but it could have been other factors 
as well. It depends on where one is to how accurate the info will be, as GPS  
relies on satellites so the app will try and work with the info it is getting.  
Also if one is in a city the buildings can effect how much signal your phone 
will get from the GPS  satellites and how many are managing to send a signal to 
you between the building. Not sure if changing the location on your phone will 
help either if you are using a GPS  app in another country then the one you 
live in.  The lazarillo app certainly isn’t perfect, but it’s not to bad for a 
free app.  

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> I tried Lazarillo in Spain as I was on holiday and it was hopeless. It was 
> reporting streets & places in a chaotic way. So I ‘m afraid I’m disappointed 
> in this app.
>> On 29 Apr 2020, at 13:27, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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>> Hello Petrus,
>> Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this morning 
>> and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the compass 
>> direction in which I am walking.
>> One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side 
>> road is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a 
>> side road and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me that 
>> the side road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it only 
>> does this on rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
>> Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Re: GPS Apps

[Jessica Moss]

What’s supposed to be the difference between Lazarillo and blind square?  I’ve 
used both, and from what I can tell, they seem to be vary similar, other than 
one is a free app, and one is a paid app.

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> reporting streets & places in a chaotic way. So I ‘m afraid I’m disappointed 
> in this app.
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>> 
>> Hello Petrus,
>> Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this morning 
>> and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the compass 
>> direction in which I am walking.
>> One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side 
>> road is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a 
>> side road and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me that 
>> the side road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it only 
>> does this on rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
>> Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Re: GPS Apps

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I tried Lazarillo in Spain as I was on holiday and it was hopeless. It was 
reporting streets & places in a chaotic way. So I ‘m afraid I’m disappointed in 
this app.
> On 29 Apr 2020, at 13:27, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello Petrus,
> Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this morning 
> and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the compass 
> direction in which I am walking.
> One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side 
> road is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a side 
> road and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me that the 
> side road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it only does 
> this on rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
> Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Re: GPS Apps

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Sorry, can’t really help with that one. GPS technology depends on a lot of 
things. How many GPS  signals your phone is picking up to triangulate your 
position can effect it and I’ve heard that even cloud cover can effect it .  
Suppose the orientation of your phone and weather you have it in a pocket or 
not can effect it too, but I just opened the app as I’m sitting inside at my 
table and it told me that the cemetery and bus stop is 112m to my south which 
is correct. And it does get updated quite regularly so it c could just be a bug 
that will get fixed at some point. You can also open the category filter so you 
can change what it tells you if you don’t want to know about entertainment 
places and shops and so on. 
It’s not to  bad for a free app..

> On 30/04/2020, at 00:27, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello Petrus,
> Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this morning 
> and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the compass 
> direction in which I am walking.
> One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side 
> road is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a side 
> road and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me that the 
> side road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it only does 
> this on rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
> Many thanks and best regards … Paul Hopewell
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GPS Apps

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Hello Petrus,
Many thanks for the tip on Lazarillo. I took it for a trial run this morning 
and it worked pretty well.I particularly like it voicing the compass direction 
in which I am walking.
One aspect which puzzles me is that it usually tells me that a named side road 
is x meters in front of me even when the road in question is just a side road 
and not a cross road. Occasionally it very helpfully tells me that the side 
road is to my left or my right. I cannot figure out why it only does this on 
rare occasions. Any thoughts on this?
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RE: GPS Apps

[Simon A Fogarty]

Does tom tom not exist any longer?

I use google maps myself but I've never had it work to the level that you have 
mentioned 

That isn't of course not to say it wont do what you need.

I personally in nz find google maps a better gps option than apples maps.

 I guess google have put more in downunder.

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Subject: GPS Apps

Hello,
I currently use an obsolete version of the Tom Tom App on my iPhone to navigate 
on my daily walk. 
When I press the “help me” button this very helpfully say something like “I am 
on Kingsway between Merdon Avenue 80 yards and Rufus Close 30 yards”. I find 
this most useful but as it is an obsolete app it will not run for ever and I 
need to find an alternative.
The Apps I have tried like Apple Maps tell me the street name and nearest house 
number but as our house numbering system in the UK is not always consistent 
this is not too helpful.
Does anyone know of a GPS app which is as helpful as the Tom Tom app? Note that 
I am not really interested in the nearest shops and so on.
Many thanks … Paul Hopewell

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Re: GPS Apps

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Have you tried Lazarillo? I think it is free as well. 

> On 28/04/2020, at 01:26, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I currently use an obsolete version of the Tom Tom App on my iPhone to 
> navigate on my daily walk. 
> When I press the “help me” button this very helpfully say something like “I 
> am on Kingsway between Merdon Avenue 80 yards and Rufus Close 30 yards”. I 
> find this most useful but as it is an obsolete app it will not run for ever 
> and I need to find an alternative.
> The Apps I have tried like Apple Maps tell me the street name and nearest 
> house number but as our house numbering system in the UK is not always 
> consistent this is not too helpful.
> Does anyone know of a GPS app which is as helpful as the Tom Tom app? Note 
> that I am not really interested in the nearest shops and so on.
> Many thanks … Paul Hopewell
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[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I currently use an obsolete version of the Tom Tom App on my iPhone to navigate 
on my daily walk. 
When I press the “help me” button this very helpfully say something like “I am 
on Kingsway between Merdon Avenue 80 yards and Rufus Close 30 yards”. I find 
this most useful but as it is an obsolete app it will not run for ever and I 
need to find an alternative.
The Apps I have tried like Apple Maps tell me the street name and nearest house 
number but as our house numbering system in the UK is not always consistent 
this is not too helpful.
Does anyone know of a GPS app which is as helpful as the Tom Tom app? Note that 
I am not really interested in the nearest shops and so on.
Many thanks … Paul Hopewell

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Re: How GPS Apps Work

[Scott Granados]

So first, this poster is a troll and has been problems on this list and others 
for a long time so let’s not put to much effort in to this.  I was hoping that 
had changed but it appears not.

The length of waves when considering EM radiation has no effect on speed or 
reception time.  As you and Simon point out correctly, they all move at C which 
is 3 time 10 to the 8 meters per second if memory serves.  I know in MPH it’s 
about 186000 miles per second in a vacuum.  The vibratory rate of the waves in 
the signal doesn’t change the propagation speed of the signal it does however 
change the propagation pattern.  (Light that’s all in phase at a given 
frequency stays coherent aka laser, waves of all different phases and 
amplitudes scatter more like regular light). Speed how ever is constant 
relative to other objects at C.

Sound waves are a different animal, as mentioned correctly they travel 
at far slower speeds, something in the range of 750 miles per hour instead of 
almost 200 thousand miles per second.  Also, the wave forms are different.  
Sound is formed out of longitudinal waves which are shaped differently and 
propagate differently.

But like I said, the original poster is having a trolling expedition so we’ll 
stop here but I did want to support yours and Simon’s points.


> On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I’m no physicist, but I do have an interest in the field. Radio waves travel 
> at the speed of light, as they are part of the same electromagnetic spectrum 
> as visible light. X-rays, gamma rays, microwaves, radio, visible light, 
> infrared, ultraviolet, etc all travel at the speed of light. Sure, the 
> frequency might be longer, so a signal will take longer to be fully received, 
> but the waves themselves are electromagnetic in nature and thus travel at 
> good old C.
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Um, Todor,
>> 
>> Just to point something out to you here before anyone else does I guess,
>> 
>> Radio waves travel at the speed of sound,
>> Not the speed of light,
>> 
>> Light waves travel at the speed of light and different frequencys of 
>> thattravelling light give you different colours in the spectrum.
>> 
>> Sound such as radio waves travel at the speed of sound,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
>> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 1:48 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: How GPS Apps Work
>> 
>> The global positioning system, invented a couple of decades ago, works by 
>> having a bunch of satellites circling the earth broadcasting the time. Just 
>> the time. Because radio signals travel at the speed of light, which is not 
>> infinite, your GPS receiver can tell from how late the signals are how far 
>> away the satellites are. If it has at least 3 signals, it can figure out 
>> exactly where you are in space. If it has a data connection, it can then 
>> query a map database to find out where you are on the Earth. If it doesn't 
>> have a data connection but it does have map data, either because it is 
>> cached or because you deliberately uploaded it to your phone, it can still 
>> figure out where you are.
>> 
>> 
>> The system can break down in 2 basic ways:
>> 
>> 1. No signal from GPS satellites. GPS signals are available all over the 
>> globe. Most of the satellites are in geosyncronous orbit around the equator 
>> but enough of them are not so you can still get a GPS signal at the poles. 
>> However, the radio signals from the satellites is very weak and you might 
>> not even be able to pick it up in a mobile home. In a parking garage, 
>> probably not
>> 
>> 2. No map data. If your location is not in a mpa database, if you don't have 
>> access to a map database, or if the map data is wrong, your phone won't know 
>> where you are. It should still be able to give you GPS coordinates but that 
>> won't help most people most of the time.
>> 
>> 
>> Note: I have talked only about GPS systems. Your phone can also triangulate 
>> it's position from cell phone towers and even wifi signals.
>> Google has made a map of as many of the wifi signals it can in the world. So 
>> if you called the wifi in your house "blindGuysAreSexy", it might be able to 
>> tell someone where they are based on that alone.
>> 
>> 
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Re: How GPS Apps Work

[Alex Hall]

I’m no physicist, but I do have an interest in the field. Radio waves travel at 
the speed of light, as they are part of the same electromagnetic spectrum as 
visible light. X-rays, gamma rays, microwaves, radio, visible light, infrared, 
ultraviolet, etc all travel at the speed of light. Sure, the frequency might be 
longer, so a signal will take longer to be fully received, but the waves 
themselves are electromagnetic in nature and thus travel at good old C.

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hey Um, Todor,
> 
> Just to point something out to you here before anyone else does I guess,
> 
> Radio waves travel at the speed of sound,
> Not the speed of light,
> 
> Light waves travel at the speed of light and different frequencys of 
> thattravelling light give you different colours in the spectrum.
> 
> Sound such as radio waves travel at the speed of sound,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 1:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How GPS Apps Work
> 
> The global positioning system, invented a couple of decades ago, works by 
> having a bunch of satellites circling the earth broadcasting the time. Just 
> the time. Because radio signals travel at the speed of light, which is not 
> infinite, your GPS receiver can tell from how late the signals are how far 
> away the satellites are. If it has at least 3 signals, it can figure out 
> exactly where you are in space. If it has a data connection, it can then 
> query a map database to find out where you are on the Earth. If it doesn't 
> have a data connection but it does have map data, either because it is cached 
> or because you deliberately uploaded it to your phone, it can still figure 
> out where you are.
> 
> 
> The system can break down in 2 basic ways:
> 
> 1. No signal from GPS satellites. GPS signals are available all over the 
> globe. Most of the satellites are in geosyncronous orbit around the equator 
> but enough of them are not so you can still get a GPS signal at the poles. 
> However, the radio signals from the satellites is very weak and you might not 
> even be able to pick it up in a mobile home. In a parking garage, probably not
> 
> 2. No map data. If your location is not in a mpa database, if you don't have 
> access to a map database, or if the map data is wrong, your phone won't know 
> where you are. It should still be able to give you GPS coordinates but that 
> won't help most people most of the time.
> 
> 
> Note: I have talked only about GPS systems. Your phone can also triangulate 
> it's position from cell phone towers and even wifi signals. 
> Google has made a map of as many of the wifi signals it can in the world. So 
> if you called the wifi in your house "blindGuysAreSexy", it might be able to 
> tell someone where they are based on that alone.
> 
> 
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RE: How GPS Apps Work

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey Um, Todor,

 Just to point something out to you here before anyone else does I guess,

 Radio waves travel at the speed of sound,
 Not the speed of light,

 Light waves travel at the speed of light and different frequencys of 
thattravelling light give you different colours in the spectrum.

Sound such as radio waves travel at the speed of sound,




-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 1:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: How GPS Apps Work

The global positioning system, invented a couple of decades ago, works by 
having a bunch of satellites circling the earth broadcasting the time. Just the 
time. Because radio signals travel at the speed of light, which is not 
infinite, your GPS receiver can tell from how late the signals are how far away 
the satellites are. If it has at least 3 signals, it can figure out exactly 
where you are in space. If it has a data connection, it can then query a map 
database to find out where you are on the Earth. If it doesn't have a data 
connection but it does have map data, either because it is cached or because 
you deliberately uploaded it to your phone, it can still figure out where you 
are.


The system can break down in 2 basic ways:

1. No signal from GPS satellites. GPS signals are available all over the globe. 
Most of the satellites are in geosyncronous orbit around the equator but enough 
of them are not so you can still get a GPS signal at the poles. However, the 
radio signals from the satellites is very weak and you might not even be able 
to pick it up in a mobile home. In a parking garage, probably not

2. No map data. If your location is not in a mpa database, if you don't have 
access to a map database, or if the map data is wrong, your phone won't know 
where you are. It should still be able to give you GPS coordinates but that 
won't help most people most of the time.


Note: I have talked only about GPS systems. Your phone can also triangulate 
it's position from cell phone towers and even wifi signals. 
Google has made a map of as many of the wifi signals it can in the world. So if 
you called the wifi in your house "blindGuysAreSexy", it might be able to tell 
someone where they are based on that alone.



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How GPS Apps Work

[Todor Fassl]

The global positioning system, invented a couple of decades ago, works 
by having a bunch of satellites circling the earth broadcasting the 
time. Just the time. Because radio signals travel at the speed of light, 
which is not infinite, your GPS receiver can tell from how late the 
signals are how far away the satellites are. If it has at least 3 
signals, it can figure out exactly where you are in space. If it has a 
data connection, it can then query a map database to find out where you 
are on the Earth. If it doesn't have a data connection but it does have 
map data, either because it is cached or because you deliberately 
uploaded it to your phone, it can still figure out where you are.



The system can break down in 2 basic ways:

1. No signal from GPS satellites. GPS signals are available all over the 
globe. Most of the satellites are in geosyncronous orbit around the 
equator but enough of them are not so you can still get a GPS signal at 
the poles. However, the radio signals from the satellites is very weak 
and you might not even be able to pick it up in a mobile home. In a 
parking garage, probably not


2. No map data. If your location is not in a mpa database, if you don't 
have access to a map database, or if the map data is wrong, your phone 
won't know where you are. It should still be able to give you GPS 
coordinates but that won't help most people most of the time.



Note: I have talked only about GPS systems. Your phone can also 
triangulate it's position from cell phone towers and even wifi signals. 
Google has made a map of as many of the wifi signals it can in the 
world. So if you called the wifi in your house "blindGuysAreSexy", it 
might be able to tell someone where they are based on that alone.




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gps apps for mac os?

[deedra waters]

so i was debating getting a gps receiver to use with my macbook rather then 
purchasing something like an ipad or an android device. So i’m curious to know 
if there are any gps apps out there for the mac that work decently well and 
give decent feedback. I see it’s got a maps app but i’ve not played with that 
at all.
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GPS Apps

[Harry Hogue]

Hello guys,

I have downloaded and installed both Navigon and Ariadne GPS for my iPhone 3gs. 
 Does anyone ahve tips for getting started with these tips?  From threads I 
started back in August, I know that Anne suggested setting up Navigon for 
pedestrian mode with spoken instructions, but I don't know where to find that.  
Also, if I want to virtually explore an area with Ariadne, what is the best way 
to go about this?  It seems to be possible to see what might be around, but 
unless I am mistaken, it does not give you landmarks for businesses nearby your 
chosen address unless you have favorites already listed in the application?

I suppose I'm a little bit confused how to have the two applications work 
together, and help from more experienced users is apreciated.

All the best,

Harry

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Re: iphone gps apps that work with 3gs?

[Eric Oyen]

sendero lookaround works ok. there are several apps that are reasonably 
accessible. be aware, there is a hardware bug in the 3 GS where if you have no 
cell service, the gps chip may read all zeros (I have one without cell service 
and it does this a lot).

-eric

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> hello what gps apps work with 3gs iphone?
> I may be getting one at end of month.
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iphone gps apps that work with 3gs?

[Hank Smith]

hello what gps apps work with 3gs iphone?
I may be getting one at end of month.

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Re: GPS Apps

[Eric Oyen]

I wish I could take a look at the source for that app. it might not be all that 
hard to have the button labels inserted for the on board API.

-Eric

On Feb 15, 2011, at 8:25 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Motion gps drive is good also, the only issue with it is that the search 
> screen has unlabeled buttons, apparently they are working on fixing that, but 
> the app is still useable, and the directions are very good.
> On Feb 13, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Wow, I like the idea of Garmin but not announcing turn by turn directions 
>> when walking is a real limiter.
>> 
>> Navigon is starting to sound good, that or Mapquest. 
>> On Feb 13, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Kelly Ford wrote:
>> 
>>> For what it is worth, I was very disappointed in TomTom.  I found it
>>> difficult to use with VO and found it was not possible to get turn
>>> directions i.e. right/left.  I regret purchasing that app.
>>> 
>>> I've been pretty impressed with the Mapquest app.  Aside from address entry
>>> being a bit tedious, the directions have been solid and for free I'm
>>> surprised what the app does.
>>> 
>>> Kelly
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Geoff Waaler [mailto:geoff.waa...@gmail.com] 
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:30 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: GPS Apps
>>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> Perhaps those who believe  Navigon's interface to be overly abstruse might
>>> consider posting which tasks they would like to perform and what steps they
>>> tried rather than a general statement lacking specifics that might scare off
>>> people who might otherwise find this app very useful.
>>> 
>>> Many of us who have Navigon are scratching our heads since it does not take
>>> a technical wizard to ascertain, for example  that from the main screen one
>>> can locate an address by selecting "enter an address", or select: "search
>>> for a POI" to start a business search.  VO identifies both of these as
>>> buttons.
>>> 
>>> Best regards.
>>> Geoff
>>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Kawal:
>>>> Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science
>>> involved in making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number of
>>> hoops to jump through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps I'm
>>> just too much of a homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I have
>>> a secret notion that only wizards and geniuses can really get anywhere using
>>> it.:)
>>>> 
>>>> Carolyn H
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Re: GPS Apps

[Mike Arrigo]

Motion gps drive is good also, the only issue with it is that the search screen 
has unlabeled buttons, apparently they are working on fixing that, but the app 
is still useable, and the directions are very good.
On Feb 13, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Wow, I like the idea of Garmin but not announcing turn by turn directions 
> when walking is a real limiter.
> 
> Navigon is starting to sound good, that or Mapquest. 
> On Feb 13, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Kelly Ford wrote:
> 
>> For what it is worth, I was very disappointed in TomTom.  I found it
>> difficult to use with VO and found it was not possible to get turn
>> directions i.e. right/left.  I regret purchasing that app.
>> 
>> I've been pretty impressed with the Mapquest app.  Aside from address entry
>> being a bit tedious, the directions have been solid and for free I'm
>> surprised what the app does.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Geoff Waaler [mailto:geoff.waa...@gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:30 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: GPS Apps
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Perhaps those who believe  Navigon's interface to be overly abstruse might
>> consider posting which tasks they would like to perform and what steps they
>> tried rather than a general statement lacking specifics that might scare off
>> people who might otherwise find this app very useful.
>> 
>> Many of us who have Navigon are scratching our heads since it does not take
>> a technical wizard to ascertain, for example  that from the main screen one
>> can locate an address by selecting "enter an address", or select: "search
>> for a POI" to start a business search.  VO identifies both of these as
>> buttons.
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff
>> 
>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kawal:
>>> Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science
>> involved in making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number of
>> hoops to jump through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps I'm
>> just too much of a homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I have
>> a secret notion that only wizards and geniuses can really get anywhere using
>> it.:)
>>> 
>>> Carolyn H
>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Re: creating a root in Navigon -> was GPS Apps

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Dear Geoff.

Please could you send me a step by step on how to create a route in Navigon it 
doesn't matter where to. Also, if let's say you search for a POI and then wish 
to walk to it, could you also send me a step by step on how to do it then I 
will try and let you know how well I get on. What i want to do is to get from 
home to the bus station walking again it doesn't matter where it is but how to 
do to it. then, let's say I want to walk to a post office but you select it 
from a Poi list again, it doesn't matter how you do it but the steps please? 
I'd appreciate it and then I will try and do your steps and let you know.

Sent From My I Phone

On 15 Feb 2011, at 08:42 AM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:

> Hi Kawal,
> 
> Thanks -- I've always calculated roots from my current location, but your 
> post provided an excuse to play with the rooting feature.
> 
> I was unable to reproduce your problem, but perhaps we are taking different 
> steps, or there's a discrepancy between the North America and UK maps.  >From 
> the initial screen I selected more -> route -> new route.  I then selected 
> "add route point" and entered an item from my recents list.  I did this a 
> second time and now have a route.  As is true when I'm navigating from my 
> current GPS position I can see a turn by turn list when my speed profile is 
> set to "car" or " pedestrian with voice announcements".  I have not yet 
> determined how to view the entire turn by turn list for saved routes, however 
> because I need to go into simulation, and the completed maneuvers do not 
> appear. 
> 
> If you're creating your route a different way, perhaps you can advise and I 
> can attempt to reproduce it here.
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> 
> On Feb 14, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Dear Geoff,
>> 
>> I in the past have tried to make a pedestrian route to the railway station 
>> and although I have put my home address in the App already, when it asks 
>> where you want to start from, Let's say my house and I select the railway 
>> station, I can't seem to get to the next button  and it keeps saying that I 
>> have to select where I'd like to go from even though my house adress is in 
>> there.
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>> 
>> Sent From My I Phone
>> 
>> On 14 Feb 2011, at 12:29 AM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> Perhaps those who believe  Navigon's interface to be overly abstruse might 
>>> consider posting which tasks they would like to perform and what steps they 
>>> tried rather than a general statement lacking specifics that might scare 
>>> off people who might otherwise find this app very useful.
>>> 
>>> Many of us who have Navigon are scratching our heads since it does not take 
>>> a technical wizard to ascertain, for example  that from the main screen one 
>>> can locate an address by selecting "enter an address", or select: "search 
>>> for a POI" to start a business search.  VO identifies both of these as 
>>> buttons.
>>> 
>>> Best regards.
>>> Geoff
>>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Kawal:
 Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science 
 involved in making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number 
 of hoops to jump through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps 
 I'm just too much of a homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I 
 have a secret notion that only wizards and geniuses can really get 
 anywhere using it.:)
 
 Carolyn H
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Re: creating a root in Navigon -> was GPS Apps

[Geoff Waaler]

Hi Kawal,

Thanks -- I've always calculated roots from my current location, but your post 
provided an excuse to play with the rooting feature.

I was unable to reproduce your problem, but perhaps we are taking different 
steps, or there's a discrepancy between the North America and UK maps.  From 
the initial screen I selected more -> route -> new route.  I then selected "add 
route point" and entered an item from my recents list.  I did this a second 
time and now have a route.  As is true when I'm navigating from my current GPS 
position I can see a turn by turn list when my speed profile is set to "car" or 
" pedestrian with voice announcements".  I have not yet determined how to view 
the entire turn by turn list for saved routes, however because I need to go 
into simulation, and the completed maneuvers do not appear. 

If you're creating your route a different way, perhaps you can advise and I can 
attempt to reproduce it here.

Best regards.
Geoff

On Feb 14, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Dear Geoff,
> 
> I in the past have tried to make a pedestrian route to the railway station 
> and although I have put my home address in the App already, when it asks 
> where you want to start from, Let's say my house and I select the railway 
> station, I can't seem to get to the next button  and it keeps saying that I 
> have to select where I'd like to go from even though my house adress is in 
> there.
> 
> Kawal. 
> 
> Sent From My I Phone
> 
> On 14 Feb 2011, at 12:29 AM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Perhaps those who believe  Navigon's interface to be overly abstruse might 
>> consider posting which tasks they would like to perform and what steps they 
>> tried rather than a general statement lacking specifics that might scare off 
>> people who might otherwise find this app very useful.
>> 
>> Many of us who have Navigon are scratching our heads since it does not take 
>> a technical wizard to ascertain, for example  that from the main screen one 
>> can locate an address by selecting "enter an address", or select: "search 
>> for a POI" to start a business search.  VO identifies both of these as 
>> buttons.
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff
>> 
>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kawal:
>>> Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science involved 
>>> in making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number of hoops 
>>> to jump through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps I'm just 
>>> too much of a homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I have a 
>>> secret notion that only wizards and geniuses can really get anywhere using 
>>> it.:)
>>> 
>>> Carolyn H
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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RE: GPS Apps

[Kelly Ford]

Hi,

MapQuest is usually one of the first items listed in the app store under
Navigation:free apps.  Here is a link.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mapquest-4-mobile/id316126557?mt=8

Kelly



-Original Message-
From: joseph [mailto:joseph.bi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 3:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: GPS Apps

hi kelly

Mapquest where can i i searched the app store but got nothing.  any link to
download it from?

best
On 14 Feb 2011, at 00:59, Kelly Ford wrote:

> For what it is worth, I was very disappointed in TomTom.  I found it
> difficult to use with VO and found it was not possible to get turn
> directions i.e. right/left.  I regret purchasing that app.
> 
> I've been pretty impressed with the Mapquest app.  Aside from address
entry
> being a bit tedious, the directions have been solid and for free I'm
> surprised what the app does.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Geoff Waaler [mailto:geoff.waa...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: GPS Apps
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Perhaps those who believe  Navigon's interface to be overly abstruse might
> consider posting which tasks they would like to perform and what steps
they
> tried rather than a general statement lacking specifics that might scare
off
> people who might otherwise find this app very useful.
> 
> Many of us who have Navigon are scratching our heads since it does not
take
> a technical wizard to ascertain, for example  that from the main screen
one
> can locate an address by selecting "enter an address", or select: "search
> for a POI" to start a business search.  VO identifies both of these as
> buttons.
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> 
> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal:
>> Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science
> involved in making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number
of
> hoops to jump through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps I'm
> just too much of a homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I
have
> a secret notion that only wizards and geniuses can really get anywhere
using
> it.:)
>> 
>> Carolyn H
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Re: GPS Apps

[joseph]

hi kelly

Mapquest where can i i searched the app store but got nothing.  any link to 
download it from?

best
On 14 Feb 2011, at 00:59, Kelly Ford wrote:

> For what it is worth, I was very disappointed in TomTom.  I found it
> difficult to use with VO and found it was not possible to get turn
> directions i.e. right/left.  I regret purchasing that app.
> 
> I've been pretty impressed with the Mapquest app.  Aside from address entry
> being a bit tedious, the directions have been solid and for free I'm
> surprised what the app does.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Geoff Waaler [mailto:geoff.waa...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: GPS Apps
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Perhaps those who believe  Navigon's interface to be overly abstruse might
> consider posting which tasks they would like to perform and what steps they
> tried rather than a general statement lacking specifics that might scare off
> people who might otherwise find this app very useful.
> 
> Many of us who have Navigon are scratching our heads since it does not take
> a technical wizard to ascertain, for example  that from the main screen one
> can locate an address by selecting "enter an address", or select: "search
> for a POI" to start a business search.  VO identifies both of these as
> buttons.
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> 
> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal:
>> Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science
> involved in making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number of
> hoops to jump through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps I'm
> just too much of a homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I have
> a secret notion that only wizards and geniuses can really get anywhere using
> it.:)
>> 
>> Carolyn H
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Re: GPS Apps

[Esther]

Hi Brett,

The 3D is a brand-new feature, and I'm not sure that it's accessible with 
VoiceOver.  My understanding is that it uses the camera and superposes the 
letters for the search results on the field, with larger letters for closer 
matches.  I think it's a visual only feature -- the idea is that if you hold 
your iPhone with camera up in different directions, you'll see the locations of 
nearby POI matches in the direction that they lie, with the matches that are 
closer in bigger fonts.  So, if you're trying to find out which direction to 
walk in, you'd view the words for the match of a particular POI in that 
direction as you move your iPhone around, and you can tap on the entry to find 
more information.  I don't think this is usable with VoiceOver if you don't 
have vision.  You have to remember that I'm using Where To? on an iPod Touch or 
iPad -- without a camera.  So these options don't come up for me.  Also, 
whether you get links to public transportation web pages may depend on your 
location. This is just how it works for me.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 14, 2011, at 10:42, Brett Campbell wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I just purchased Where to?  My first concern is there is a message selling 3D 
> that gets in the way.  I can't find a way to dismiss it.  The message says 
> the window will be skipped after purchasing.  If I purchase the 3D just to 
> get rid of the message, do you think the 3D will mess with VoiceOver?
> I also have a question about the Bus stops.  I'm able to find the stops just 
> fine, but I'm not able to get additional information on bus times.  When I 
> tap on the more information button, I seem to just get the stop labeled as a 
> map pin.  I don't appear to get more information by double tapping the map 
> pin.  I'm not seeing the Next Transport option Esther mentioned.  I'm also 
> not seeing the next or previous menu mentioned.  I'm wondering if the 3D 
> sales pitch is getting in the way.  I usually do quite well at figuring apps 
> out, but I'm a little stumped here.
> 
> 
> Brett C.
> 
> On Feb 14, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Neil and Others,
>> 
>> Where To? by FutureTap is certainly worth the $0.99 (U.S.) Valentine's Day 
>> sale price.  It was the first of the helper applications for GPS points of 
>> interest (in the same class as the free AroundMe app by Tweaker Soft) to add 
>> the capability to send results to GPS apps such as Navigon and TomTom, as 
>> well as to the default Maps app.  AroundMe only added this feature later.  
>> As Geoff described, the primary difference between Where To? and AroundMe is 
>> the more detailed divisions of categories and sub-categories for Where To?  
>> This can make it easier to locate specific points of interest more quickly 
>> -- for example, Geoff gave the example of restaurant food sub-categories.  
>> Also, the feature access can be set up differently.  Here's an example of 
>> where I'd use Where To? in preference to AroundMe (and where Navigon's POIs 
>> falls short).  For my location, Navigon doesn't bring up any bus stops among 
>> the public transport POIs, although these are easily found in the Maps app.  
>> In AroundMe, I have to type in "bus stops" into the search field, and I'll 
>> be presented with a list of matches ordered roughly (but not exactly) by 
>> distance.  In Where To?  if I first double tap on "Travel and 
>> Transportation" and then double tap on "Public Transport", and the bus stops 
>> will be exactly ordered by distance.  Moreover, I can double tap the "next 
>> menu" or "previous menu" buttons and be taken to the next or previous menu 
>> in the list, and the page for each stop has a link to the web home page that 
>> shows the next bus scheduled arrival time.  This is not available through 
>> AroundMe.   The point here is merely to show that the Where To? app can 
>> provide information that is different from, or complementary to what you get 
>> from AroundMe.  
>> 
>> Where To? is also an international app, and with both AroundMe and Where To? 
>> it is possible to search for points of interest in different locations.  For 
>> example, after selecting search categories, double tap the "Search" button 
>> in the top right corner of the screen, and then enter either the postal code 
>> or the name of the city into the search field and double tap the "Search" 
>> button at the bottom right of the virtual keyboard.  (If you use a Bluetooth 
>> keyboard, just press the "Enter" key to start the search.)  Your sear

Re: GPS Apps

[Brett Campbell]

Hi everyone,

I just purchased Where to?  My first concern is there is a message selling 3D 
that gets in the way.  I can't find a way to dismiss it.  The message says the 
window will be skipped after purchasing.  If I purchase the 3D just to get rid 
of the message, do you think the 3D will mess with VoiceOver?
I also have a question about the Bus stops.  I'm able to find the stops just 
fine, but I'm not able to get additional information on bus times.  When I tap 
on the more information button, I seem to just get the stop labeled as a map 
pin.  I don't appear to get more information by double tapping the map pin.  
I'm not seeing the Next Transport option Esther mentioned.  I'm also not seeing 
the next or previous menu mentioned.  I'm wondering if the 3D sales pitch is 
getting in the way.  I usually do quite well at figuring apps out, but I'm a 
little stumped here.


Brett C.

On Feb 14, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Neil and Others,
> 
> Where To? by FutureTap is certainly worth the $0.99 (U.S.) Valentine's Day 
> sale price.  It was the first of the helper applications for GPS points of 
> interest (in the same class as the free AroundMe app by Tweaker Soft) to add 
> the capability to send results to GPS apps such as Navigon and TomTom, as 
> well as to the default Maps app.  AroundMe only added this feature later.  As 
> Geoff described, the primary difference between Where To? and AroundMe is the 
> more detailed divisions of categories and sub-categories for Where To?  This 
> can make it easier to locate specific points of interest more quickly -- for 
> example, Geoff gave the example of restaurant food sub-categories.  Also, the 
> feature access can be set up differently.  Here's an example of where I'd use 
> Where To? in preference to AroundMe (and where Navigon's POIs falls short).  
> For my location, Navigon doesn't bring up any bus stops among the public 
> transport POIs, although these are easily found in the Maps app.  In 
> AroundMe, I have to type in "bus stops" into the search field, and I'll be 
> presented with a list of matches ordered roughly (but not exactly) by 
> distance.  In Where To?  if I first double tap on "Travel and Transportation" 
> and then double tap on "Public Transport", and the bus stops will be exactly 
> ordered by distance.  Moreover, I can double tap the "next menu" or "previous 
> menu" buttons and be taken to the next or previous menu in the list, and the 
> page for each stop has a link to the web home page that shows the next bus 
> scheduled arrival time.  This is not available through AroundMe.   The point 
> here is merely to show that the Where To? app can provide information that is 
> different from, or complementary to what you get from AroundMe.  
> 
> Where To? is also an international app, and with both AroundMe and Where To? 
> it is possible to search for points of interest in different locations.  For 
> example, after selecting search categories, double tap the "Search" button in 
> the top right corner of the screen, and then enter either the postal code or 
> the name of the city into the search field and double tap the "Search" button 
> at the bottom right of the virtual keyboard.  (If you use a Bluetooth 
> keyboard, just press the "Enter" key to start the search.)  Your search 
> results will come up for the postal code or address you entered in the search 
> field.  (Note that this works for zip codes in the U.S. and postal codes in 
> the U.K., but not for lengthy French postal codes -- you have to type in a 
> more complete address.)  To return the search to your present location, 
> double tap the "Start Tracking" button in the bottom left corner of the 
> screen.
> 
> Since Neil is in the U.K., I'll just mention that a check of a U.K. location 
> brought up reasonable search results (though I can't verify how up to date 
> the entries are, if there are recent changes.)  This app has been used by 
> U.K. members on other lists.  I'll also mention that I've never understood 
> why the Navigon MobileNavigator app for Great Britain requires a separate 
> in-app purchase for searches by postal code (or the use of a dedicated third 
> party app for this), when it's simple to enter the postal code in AroundMe or 
> Where To? and then send the address location to Navigon.
> 
> As Geoff noted, the URL in the App Store for Where To? is:
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next/id314785156?mt=8
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Feb 14, 2011, at 06:33, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
> 
>> Where To, the app is also on sale across

Re: GPS Apps

[Esther]

Hi Neil and Others,

Where To? by FutureTap is certainly worth the $0.99 (U.S.) Valentine's Day sale 
price.  It was the first of the helper applications for GPS points of interest 
(in the same class as the free AroundMe app by Tweaker Soft) to add the 
capability to send results to GPS apps such as Navigon and TomTom, as well as 
to the default Maps app.  AroundMe only added this feature later.  As Geoff 
described, the primary difference between Where To? and AroundMe is the more 
detailed divisions of categories and sub-categories for Where To?  This can 
make it easier to locate specific points of interest more quickly -- for 
example, Geoff gave the example of restaurant food sub-categories.  Also, the 
feature access can be set up differently.  Here's an example of where I'd use 
Where To? in preference to AroundMe (and where Navigon's POIs falls short).  
For my location, Navigon doesn't bring up any bus stops among the public 
transport POIs, although these are easily found in the Maps app.  In AroundMe, 
I have to type in "bus stops" into the search field, and I'll be presented with 
a list of matches ordered roughly (but not exactly) by distance.  In Where To?  
if I first double tap on "Travel and Transportation" and then double tap on 
"Public Transport", and the bus stops will be exactly ordered by distance.  
Moreover, I can double tap the "next menu" or "previous menu" buttons and be 
taken to the next or previous menu in the list, and the page for each stop has 
a link to the web home page that shows the next bus scheduled arrival time.  
This is not available through AroundMe.   The point here is merely to show that 
the Where To? app can provide information that is different from, or 
complementary to what you get from AroundMe.  

Where To? is also an international app, and with both AroundMe and Where To? it 
is possible to search for points of interest in different locations.  For 
example, after selecting search categories, double tap the "Search" button in 
the top right corner of the screen, and then enter either the postal code or 
the name of the city into the search field and double tap the "Search" button 
at the bottom right of the virtual keyboard.  (If you use a Bluetooth keyboard, 
just press the "Enter" key to start the search.)  Your search results will come 
up for the postal code or address you entered in the search field.  (Note that 
this works for zip codes in the U.S. and postal codes in the U.K., but not for 
lengthy French postal codes -- you have to type in a more complete address.)  
To return the search to your present location, double tap the "Start Tracking" 
button in the bottom left corner of the screen.

Since Neil is in the U.K., I'll just mention that a check of a U.K. location 
brought up reasonable search results (though I can't verify how up to date the 
entries are, if there are recent changes.)  This app has been used by U.K. 
members on other lists.  I'll also mention that I've never understood why the 
Navigon MobileNavigator app for Great Britain requires a separate in-app 
purchase for searches by postal code (or the use of a dedicated third party app 
for this), when it's simple to enter the postal code in AroundMe or Where To? 
and then send the address location to Navigon.

As Geoff noted, the URL in the App Store for Where To? is:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next/id314785156?mt=8

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 14, 2011, at 06:33, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> Where To, the app is also on sale across the world for Valentines Day only, 
> Feb 14th, 66% off...
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> On 12 Feb 2011, at 05:27, Geoff Waaler wrote:
> 
> Greetings Scott G,
> 
> Since you mentioned business location I thought I'd mention the $3.00 app 
> named "WhereTo?" by future tap.  It has a list of categories and results 
> which IMHO absolutely puts geo to shame and more over, the business can be 
> seamlessly passed to either Navigon, TomTom or the built in "maps" app where 
> it launches the preferred "helper app" and sets  the desired POI as the 
> destination
> 
> I can't speak for Garmet or TomTom, but IMHO the POI location feature in 
> Navigon is okay, but you can only get so many pois into a 1.6 GB app.
> 
> The URL for WhereTo? in the US app store is: 
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next

Re: GPS Apps

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Where To, the app is also on sale across the world for Valentines Day only, Feb 
14th, 66% off...




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On 12 Feb 2011, at 05:27, Geoff Waaler wrote:

Greetings Scott G,

Since you mentioned business location I thought I'd mention the $3.00 app named 
"WhereTo?" by future tap.  It has a list of categories and results which IMHO 
absolutely puts geo to shame and more over, the business can be seamlessly 
passed to either Navigon, TomTom or the built in "maps" app where it launches 
the preferred "helper app" and sets  the desired POI as the destination

I can't speak for Garmet or TomTom, but IMHO the POI location feature in 
Navigon is okay, but you can only get so many pois into a 1.6 GB app.

The URL for WhereTo? in the US app store is: 
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next/id314785156?mt=8

Best regards.
Geoff
 
On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> I have not had sufficient experience to comment on Garmin. I find that of the 
> few I have tried including Navigon will get you pretty close, within 30 feet. 
> I have seen the interface and liked it a lot and I would like to have someone 
> comment on POIs and if it speaks while in "walking" mode. My conversation 
> with Garmin was it did not, but I suspect the person I spoke to did not 
> understand what I was asking and was not willing to check it out. Of course 
> not having an actual route to walk, I suspect a lack of a simulation mode 
> might be the problem in that case.
> Sorry I can't provide more info.
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Scott, could you speak more about the Garmin app and it's features as they 
>> relate to a blind user?
>> 
>> How is it for walking routes?  What sort of features are available.
>> 
>> I've used Geo does it have a lot of the business locating features etc?  How 
>> about the walking maps?  Do they tend to put you in the middle of parking 
>> lots or do they calculate a little to at least put you on the sidewalk in 
>> front of the building?
>> 
>>  In general, how's the accuracy of the GPS receiver?  I hear it's not 
>> that great from a sited engineer friend of mine.  He designs GPS receivers 
>> though so he might be picky.  How well do you find it works?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>>  
>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Robert,
>>> 
>>> Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want the 
>>> most current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have not 
>>> tried Tom TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better than 
>>> Navigon; however, both apps are quite good. I know the most recent version 
>>> of the Garmin software apparently includes improvements for accessibility, 
>>> but not sure what exactly those are. I believe either will meet your needs 
>>> and it may come down to which interface you prefer and if you can live with 
>>> the data use of Garmin with the understanding the tradeoff is in more 
>>> current map data. I again cannot speak about Tom TOm since I have never 
>>> used it. I think the reason you hear more about Navigon and TOm TOm is 
>>> simply that both have been around a bit longer on the iOS platform.
>>> 
>>> hth,
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:
>>> 
 Before even getting into the question I wish to ask on this post, let me 
 stop and acknowledge that I am indeed aware of the fact that the word 
 “best”, so often used, is just a four letter word incapable of nearly 
 anything. With that being said, I will be receiving my iPhone tomorrow and 
 wish to fill it full of delicious apps. I would like one of the apps to be 
 a GPS package.
 At this point, I have arrived at three possible 
 conclusions via friends, this list, and the Applevis web site. I am 
 considering the Garmin app, Navigon, and Tomtom, the latter mainly because 
 I hear it’s accessible and the primary rival to Navigon. What are the 
 benefits for each app? Why should I choose one over the other? I know that 
 the Garmin app doesn’t locally store map information and the maps are 
 constantly updated as well as traffic and weather information. How does 
 Navigon compete with this? Are there updates to Navigon’s maps? Does it 
 provide the same type of information? And what of Tomtom? Does it store 
 maps locally or are they accessed remotely like Garmin?
 Another reason I am undecided is that Garmin looks the most impressive, 
 yet it is only ever Tomtom and Navigon about which I hear—so is there some 
 drawback to Garmin which 

Re: GPS Apps

[Scott Howell]

Hi Carolyn,

That is what attracted me to the Garmin app because it is a bit less 
complicated than Navigon. However, Garmin has a little work to do, but from 
what I have been reading, maybe they are not all that far off and there seems 
to be some interest in accessibility. I still find Navigon to be helpful 
despite the interface, but simplicity is important for sure.
Scott





On Feb 14, 2011, at 12:47 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi:
> My opinion is that one has to jump through a lot of hoops to make Navigon 
> work.  Sure, if someone wants to simply enter an address, that part would be 
> obvious.  But, having to go to speed profile, or route profile, tell it if 
> you're riding a boat or motorcycle,  bike or walking, figure out where it 
> thinks you are and so forth all seem like a lot of steps..  
> 
> In my humbled opinion, a good gps app would have you enter an address you're 
> leaving from, an address you wish to get to, and your mode of travel, and 
> then provide appropriate direction.  
> So, I guess I find Navigon not as simplified as your post implies and think 
> newcomers should be aware of that side as well.  So, scratch away, guess I 
> just like things simple.:)
> 
> Carolyn H
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Perhaps those who believe  Navigon's interface to be overly abstruse might 
>> consider posting which tasks they would like to perform and what steps they 
>> tried rather than a general statement lacking specifics that might scare off 
>> people who might otherwise find this app very useful.
>> 
>> Many of us who have Navigon are scratching our heads since it does not take 
>> a technical wizard to ascertain, for example  that from the main screen one 
>> can locate an address by selecting "enter an address", or select: "search 
>> for a POI" to start a business search.  VO identifies both of these as 
>> buttons.
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff
>> 
>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kawal:
>>> Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science involved 
>>> in making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number of hoops 
>>> to jump through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps I'm just 
>>> too much of a homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I have a 
>>> secret notion that only wizards and geniuses can really get anywhere using 
>>> it.:)
>>> 
>>> Carolyn H
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Re: GPS Apps

[Scott Howell]

My understanding is that the Garmin app does provide turn-by-turn directions in 
"Walking" mode and this information came from someone who is using the app.
Scott





On Feb 13, 2011, at 9:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Wow, I like the idea of Garmin but not announcing turn by turn directions 
> when walking is a real limiter.
> 
> Navigon is starting to sound good, that or Mapquest. 
> On Feb 13, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Kelly Ford wrote:
> 
>> For what it is worth, I was very disappointed in TomTom.  I found it
>> difficult to use with VO and found it was not possible to get turn
>> directions i.e. right/left.  I regret purchasing that app.
>> 
>> I've been pretty impressed with the Mapquest app.  Aside from address entry
>> being a bit tedious, the directions have been solid and for free I'm
>> surprised what the app does.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Geoff Waaler [mailto:geoff.waa...@gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:30 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: GPS Apps
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Perhaps those who believe  Navigon's interface to be overly abstruse might
>> consider posting which tasks they would like to perform and what steps they
>> tried rather than a general statement lacking specifics that might scare off
>> people who might otherwise find this app very useful.
>> 
>> Many of us who have Navigon are scratching our heads since it does not take
>> a technical wizard to ascertain, for example  that from the main screen one
>> can locate an address by selecting "enter an address", or select: "search
>> for a POI" to start a business search.  VO identifies both of these as
>> buttons.
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff
>> 
>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kawal:
>>> Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science
>> involved in making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number of
>> hoops to jump through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps I'm
>> just too much of a homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I have
>> a secret notion that only wizards and geniuses can really get anywhere using
>> it.:)
>>> 
>>> Carolyn H
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Re: GPS Apps

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Dear Geoff,

I in the past have tried to make a pedestrian route to the railway station and 
although I have put my home address in the App already, when it asks where you 
want to start from, Let's say my house and I select the railway station, I 
can't seem to get to the next button  and it keeps saying that I have to select 
where I'd like to go from even though my house adress is in there.

Kawal. 

Sent From My I Phone

On 14 Feb 2011, at 12:29 AM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> Perhaps those who believe  Navigon's interface to be overly abstruse might 
> consider posting which tasks they would like to perform and what steps they 
> tried rather than a general statement lacking specifics that might scare off 
> people who might otherwise find this app very useful.
> 
> Many of us who have Navigon are scratching our heads since it does not take a 
> technical wizard to ascertain, for example  that from the main screen one can 
> locate an address by selecting "enter an address", or select: "search for a 
> POI" to start a business search.  VO identifies both of these as buttons.
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> 
> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal:
>> Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science involved 
>> in making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number of hoops to 
>> jump through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps I'm just too 
>> much of a homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I have a secret 
>> notion that only wizards and geniuses can really get anywhere using it.:)
>> 
>> Carolyn H
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Re: GPS Apps

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi:
My opinion is that one has to jump through a lot of hoops to make Navigon work. 
 Sure, if someone wants to simply enter an address, that part would be obvious. 
 But, having to go to speed profile, or route profile, tell it if you're riding 
a boat or motorcycle,  bike or walking, figure out where it thinks you are and 
so forth all seem like a lot of steps..  

In my humbled opinion, a good gps app would have you enter an address you're 
leaving from, an address you wish to get to, and your mode of travel, and then 
provide appropriate direction.  
So, I guess I find Navigon not as simplified as your post implies and think 
newcomers should be aware of that side as well.  So, scratch away, guess I just 
like things simple.:)

Carolyn H




On 3, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> Perhaps those who believe  Navigon's interface to be overly abstruse might 
> consider posting which tasks they would like to perform and what steps they 
> tried rather than a general statement lacking specifics that might scare off 
> people who might otherwise find this app very useful.
> 
> Many of us who have Navigon are scratching our heads since it does not take a 
> technical wizard to ascertain, for example  that from the main screen one can 
> locate an address by selecting "enter an address", or select: "search for a 
> POI" to start a business search.  VO identifies both of these as buttons.
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> 
> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal:
>> Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science involved 
>> in making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number of hoops to 
>> jump through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps I'm just too 
>> much of a homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I have a secret 
>> notion that only wizards and geniuses can really get anywhere using it.:)
>> 
>> Carolyn H
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Re: GPS Apps

[Bryan Jones]

Here's the Us App Store link, or search for motionx to find both this general 
ios version as well as the ipad specific version.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/motionx-gps-drive/id328095974?mt=8

> Folks - Here's another GPS App to consider if you're in the US or Canada: 
> MotionX GPS Drive. I've been evaluating it and am very impressed so far. The 
> initial review on Applevis, posted last August, says this App was 
> inaccessible at that time, but the version I'm testing, version 9.1 released 
> on 10 February 2011, is very accessible and has the following two important 
> features I think make it stand out at the moment:
> 
> 1. The current version of this App gives automatically spoken turn-by-turn 
> directions when walking, with no reaching in the pocket, tapping the screen, 
> shaking the phone, or any other sort of interaction required. In my testing, 
> whenever I reached an intersection, the App automatically said something 
> like, "turn right on happy pleasant lane." The voice, BTW, is the "lovely" 
> Acapella Heather. And when I intentionally walked past my turn, she said 
> "recalculating route" and when I reached the next intersection she correctly 
> stated, "now turn right on nasty dog wandering loose road."
> 
> 2. Like Garmin's StreetPilot, this app uses Navteq cloud based maps, However, 
> with MotionX you can pre-load maps when planning your route, something you 
> cannot currently do with StreetPilot. You can select the amount of storage 
> space to use, from 256 MB up to 2 GB, and there is an accessible meter 
> telling how much storage you've used. There's also a button to clear the 
> cached maps. When you choose to pre-load maps, there is an accessible 
> progress indicator. Thus you can pre-load maps while wi-fi connected to help 
> minimize cellular data usage and in addition you will still theoretically be 
> receiving directions on your trip even if you've lost your cellular data 
> connection. Also, when you choose to pre-load your maps you have a choice to 
> listen to a simulation of your route. This is spoken just as if you were en 
> route, including the time between turns, and while there is a setting to run 
> the simulation at 8x, I've been unable to find a way to manually force the 
> simulation to move to the next turn.
> 
> The App does have it's share of issues. Here are a few of the ones I consider 
> most important:
> 1. While most controls and labels are accessible and properly labeled, there 
> are a few exceptions. Most buttons on the "Search" page are not labeled, but 
> fortunately you can work around this by using the "Go To" page instead, which 
> has well labeled buttons and, as far as I can tell, allows you to perform all 
> of the same functions found in the Search page.
> 2. There are inconsistencies in the labeling and manipulation of some of the 
> radio buttons, switch buttons, and check boxes. While I did not find any that 
> couldn't easily be figured out, it takes a bit of patience.
> 3. The button in the top left corner of every screen is labeled "button 
> ondemand up." If you double-tap it will either tell you to select a 
> destination or tell you the current segment of your trip.
> 4. While VO is able to read almost everything on the "directions list" 
> screen, VO is unable to read the part that tells you which way to turn. There 
> is a little graphic of an arrow pointing left or right, but VO is not able to 
> read them.
> 5. I'm not sure how good or bad the POI database is just yet. The default 
> list of POI around my home address was severely lacking. However, when I 
> searched for POI and entered my address manually, I got much better results.
> 6. While the main menu and many of the sub-menus are well laid out, there are 
> some screens that seem jumbled and slightly confusing to navigate with VO.
> 7. There are some other minor glitches but overall I think this App is worth 
> a look. I will be continuing to use this App and will add to my comments 
> posted to the Applevis site.
> 
> HTH,
> Bryan
> 
> Interestingly, MotionX GPS Drive is currently the top Paid App in the 
> Navigation section of the US App Store. I don't know if that means top rated 
> or top selling, but that's how I stumbled on it.
> The pricing scheme is a bit different from others I've seen. The initial 
> purchase price for the general IOS version is US 99 cents. There is also an 
> iPad specific version called MotionX GPS Drive HD for US $2.99.
> The initial purchase price buys you the full app with visual navigation and a 
> 30 day trial of what they call "live voice guidance" which means spoken 
> turn-by-turn navigation. According to MotionX's literature, the way they make 
> their money and pay for the navteq maps is by charging for the live voice 
> guidance. After the 30 day trial runs out, you can purchase monthly for $2.99 
> or yearly for $19.99.
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 13, 2011, at 9:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Wow, I like the idea of Garmin but not 

Re: GPS Apps

[Bryan Jones]

Folks - Here's another GPS App to consider if you're in the US or Canada: 
MotionX GPS Drive. I've been evaluating it and am very impressed so far. The 
initial review on Applevis, posted last August, says this App was inaccessible 
at that time, but the version I'm testing, version 9.1 released on 10 February 
2011, is very accessible and has the following two important features I think 
make it stand out at the moment:

1. The current version of this App gives automatically spoken turn-by-turn 
directions when walking, with no reaching in the pocket, tapping the screen, 
shaking the phone, or any other sort of interaction required. In my testing, 
whenever I reached an intersection, the App automatically said something like, 
"turn right on happy pleasant lane." The voice, BTW, is the "lovely" Acapella 
Heather. And when I intentionally walked past my turn, she said "recalculating 
route" and when I reached the next intersection she correctly stated, "now turn 
right on nasty dog wandering loose road."

2. Like Garmin's StreetPilot, this app uses Navteq cloud based maps, However, 
with MotionX you can pre-load maps when planning your route, something you 
cannot currently do with StreetPilot. You can select the amount of storage 
space to use, from 256 MB up to 2 GB, and there is an accessible meter telling 
how much storage you've used. There's also a button to clear the cached maps. 
When you choose to pre-load maps, there is an accessible progress indicator. 
Thus you can pre-load maps while wi-fi connected to help minimize cellular data 
usage and in addition you will still theoretically be receiving directions on 
your trip even if you've lost your cellular data connection. Also, when you 
choose to pre-load your maps you have a choice to listen to a simulation of 
your route. This is spoken just as if you were en route, including the time 
between turns, and while there is a setting to run the simulation at 8x, I've 
been unable to find a way to manually force the simulation to move to the next 
turn.

The App does have it's share of issues. Here are a few of the ones I consider 
most important:
1. While most controls and labels are accessible and properly labeled, there 
are a few exceptions. Most buttons on the "Search" page are not labeled, but 
fortunately you can work around this by using the "Go To" page instead, which 
has well labeled buttons and, as far as I can tell, allows you to perform all 
of the same functions found in the Search page.
2. There are inconsistencies in the labeling and manipulation of some of the 
radio buttons, switch buttons, and check boxes. While I did not find any that 
couldn't easily be figured out, it takes a bit of patience.
3. The button in the top left corner of every screen is labeled "button 
ondemand up." If you double-tap it will either tell you to select a destination 
or tell you the current segment of your trip.
4. While VO is able to read almost everything on the "directions list" screen, 
VO is unable to read the part that tells you which way to turn. There is a 
little graphic of an arrow pointing left or right, but VO is not able to read 
them.
5. I'm not sure how good or bad the POI database is just yet. The default list 
of POI around my home address was severely lacking. However, when I searched 
for POI and entered my address manually, I got much better results.
6. While the main menu and many of the sub-menus are well laid out, there are 
some screens that seem jumbled and slightly confusing to navigate with VO.
7. There are some other minor glitches but overall I think this App is worth a 
look. I will be continuing to use this App and will add to my comments posted 
to the Applevis site.

HTH,
Bryan

Interestingly, MotionX GPS Drive is currently the top Paid App in the 
Navigation section of the US App Store. I don't know if that means top rated or 
top selling, but that's how I stumbled on it.
The pricing scheme is a bit different from others I've seen. The initial 
purchase price for the general IOS version is US 99 cents. There is also an 
iPad specific version called MotionX GPS Drive HD for US $2.99.
The initial purchase price buys you the full app with visual navigation and a 
30 day trial of what they call "live voice guidance" which means spoken 
turn-by-turn navigation. According to MotionX's literature, the way they make 
their money and pay for the navteq maps is by charging for the live voice 
guidance. After the 30 day trial runs out, you can purchase monthly for $2.99 
or yearly for $19.99.



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> Wow, I like the idea of Garmin but not announcing turn by turn directions 
> when walking is a real limiter.

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Re: GPS Apps

[Scott Granados]

Wow, I like the idea of Garmin but not announcing turn by turn directions when 
walking is a real limiter.

Navigon is starting to sound good, that or Mapquest. 
On Feb 13, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Kelly Ford wrote:

> For what it is worth, I was very disappointed in TomTom.  I found it
> difficult to use with VO and found it was not possible to get turn
> directions i.e. right/left.  I regret purchasing that app.
> 
> I've been pretty impressed with the Mapquest app.  Aside from address entry
> being a bit tedious, the directions have been solid and for free I'm
> surprised what the app does.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Geoff Waaler [mailto:geoff.waa...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: GPS Apps
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Perhaps those who believe  Navigon's interface to be overly abstruse might
> consider posting which tasks they would like to perform and what steps they
> tried rather than a general statement lacking specifics that might scare off
> people who might otherwise find this app very useful.
> 
> Many of us who have Navigon are scratching our heads since it does not take
> a technical wizard to ascertain, for example  that from the main screen one
> can locate an address by selecting "enter an address", or select: "search
> for a POI" to start a business search.  VO identifies both of these as
> buttons.
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> 
> On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal:
>> Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science
> involved in making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number of
> hoops to jump through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps I'm
> just too much of a homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I have
> a secret notion that only wizards and geniuses can really get anywhere using
> it.:)
>> 
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RE: GPS Apps

[Kelly Ford]

For what it is worth, I was very disappointed in TomTom.  I found it
difficult to use with VO and found it was not possible to get turn
directions i.e. right/left.  I regret purchasing that app.

I've been pretty impressed with the Mapquest app.  Aside from address entry
being a bit tedious, the directions have been solid and for free I'm
surprised what the app does.

Kelly



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From: Geoff Waaler [mailto:geoff.waa...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: GPS Apps

Greetings,

Perhaps those who believe  Navigon's interface to be overly abstruse might
consider posting which tasks they would like to perform and what steps they
tried rather than a general statement lacking specifics that might scare off
people who might otherwise find this app very useful.

Many of us who have Navigon are scratching our heads since it does not take
a technical wizard to ascertain, for example  that from the main screen one
can locate an address by selecting "enter an address", or select: "search
for a POI" to start a business search.  VO identifies both of these as
buttons.

Best regards.
Geoff

On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi Kawal:
> Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science
involved in making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number of
hoops to jump through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps I'm
just too much of a homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I have
a secret notion that only wizards and geniuses can really get anywhere using
it.:)
> 
> Carolyn H
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Re: GPS Apps

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Greetings,

Perhaps those who believe  Navigon's interface to be overly abstruse might 
consider posting which tasks they would like to perform and what steps they 
tried rather than a general statement lacking specifics that might scare off 
people who might otherwise find this app very useful.

Many of us who have Navigon are scratching our heads since it does not take a 
technical wizard to ascertain, for example  that from the main screen one can 
locate an address by selecting "enter an address", or select: "search for a 
POI" to start a business search.  VO identifies both of these as buttons.

Best regards.
Geoff

On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi Kawal:
> Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science involved 
> in making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number of hoops to 
> jump through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps I'm just too 
> much of a homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I have a secret 
> notion that only wizards and geniuses can really get anywhere using it.:)
> 
> Carolyn H
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Re: GPS Apps

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thanks I'll do that.
On 13 Feb 2011, at 02:59, Tom Frank wrote:

> Hello Kawal,
> Remember to double tap every time Navigon puts you into a new edit field. 
> That means the city, street and number. It's kind of annoying but that's VO 
> as far as I know it.
> Tom Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 12, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Hi Geoff.
>> 
>> I don't know if you are using Navigon a lot, but I do have problems with it 
>> in that if I try and search for an address by putting in all the relevant 
>> information, it won't accept the details as sometimes Voice Over won't go 
>> into the edit boxes.  Have you or anyone else had that problem?  I'm still 
>> using GEO.  I just wish Navigon spoke where you were automatically as you 
>> have to do a lot of flicking whereas GEO just tells you where you are which 
>> I find very important if I'm travelling independently on the busses.  If I 
>> could get Navigon to accept my information then I'd be OK with it.
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>> On 12 Feb 2011, at 06:57, Scott Granados wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a great pointer!
>>> 
>>> Really, thank you I'm going to give this a shot.
>>> 
>>> I recently regained my interest in GPS because I'm up in San Francisco so 
>>> frequently now and there is very solid public transportation up there.  I 
>>> generally cheat and take cabs or have my assistant come up for big projects 
>>> but I'm trying to expand my boundaries.  Pushing one's limits and all that 
>>> sort of thing.
>>> 
>>> I'm interested in anything on this topic so I hope it continues.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
>>> 
 Greetings Scott G,
 
 Since you mentioned business location I thought I'd mention the $3.00 app 
 named "WhereTo?" by future tap.  It has a list of categories and results 
 which IMHO absolutely puts geo to shame and more over, the business can be 
 seamlessly passed to either Navigon, TomTom or the built in "maps" app 
 where it launches the preferred "helper app" and sets  the desired POI as 
 the destination
 
 I can't speak for Garmet or TomTom, but IMHO the POI location feature in 
 Navigon is okay, but you can only get so many pois into a 1.6 GB app.
 
 The URL for WhereTo? in the US app store is: 
 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next/id314785156?mt=8
 
 Best regards.
 Geoff
 
 On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
> Scott,
> 
> I have not had sufficient experience to comment on Garmin. I find that of 
> the few I have tried including Navigon will get you pretty close, within 
> 30 feet. I have seen the interface and liked it a lot and I would like to 
> have someone comment on POIs and if it speaks while in "walking" mode. My 
> conversation with Garmin was it did not, but I suspect the person I spoke 
> to did not understand what I was asking and was not willing to check it 
> out. Of course not having an actual route to walk, I suspect a lack of a 
> simulation mode might be the problem in that case.
> Sorry I can't provide more info.
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Scott, could you speak more about the Garmin app and it's features as 
>> they relate to a blind user?
>> 
>> How is it for walking routes?  What sort of features are available.
>> 
>> I've used Geo does it have a lot of the business locating features etc?  
>> How about the walking maps?  Do they tend to put you in the middle of 
>> parking lots or do they calculate a little to at least put you on the 
>> sidewalk in front of the building?
>> 
>>  In general, how's the accuracy of the GPS receiver?  I hear it's not 
>> that great from a sited engineer friend of mine.  He designs GPS 
>> receivers though so he might be picky.  How well do you find it works?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Robert,
>>> 
>>> Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want 
>>> the most current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have 
>>> not tried Tom TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better 
>>> than Navigon; however, both apps are quite good. I know the most recent 
>>> version of the Garmin software apparently includes improvements for 
>>> accessibility, but not sure what exactly those are. I believe either 
>>> will meet your needs and it may come down to which interface you prefer 
>>> and if you can live with the data use of Garmin with the understanding 
>>> the tradeoff is in more current map data. I again cannot speak about 
>>> Tom TOm since I have never used it. I think the reason you hear more 
>>> about Navigon and TOm TOm is simply that

Re: GPS Apps

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi Kawal:
Call me dense.  But, I still think there's too much rocket science involved in 
making Navigon work.  I've gotten discouraged with the number of hoops to jump 
through, just to get directions somewhere.  Or, perhaps I'm just too much of a 
homebody to make it worth my while to work with.  I have a secret notion that 
only wizards and geniuses can really get anywhere using it.:)

Carolyn H
On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Hi Geoff.
> 
> I don't know if you are using Navigon a lot, but I do have problems with it 
> in that if I try and search for an address by putting in all the relevant 
> information, it won't accept the details as sometimes Voice Over won't go 
> into the edit boxes.  Have you or anyone else had that problem?  I'm still 
> using GEO.  I just wish Navigon spoke where you were automatically as you 
> have to do a lot of flicking whereas GEO just tells you where you are which I 
> find very important if I'm travelling independently on the busses.  If I 
> could get Navigon to accept my information then I'd be OK with it.
> 
> Kawal. 
> On 12 Feb 2011, at 06:57, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> This is a great pointer!
>> 
>> Really, thank you I'm going to give this a shot.
>> 
>> I recently regained my interest in GPS because I'm up in San Francisco so 
>> frequently now and there is very solid public transportation up there.  I 
>> generally cheat and take cabs or have my assistant come up for big projects 
>> but I'm trying to expand my boundaries.  Pushing one's limits and all that 
>> sort of thing.
>> 
>> I'm interested in anything on this topic so I hope it continues.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings Scott G,
>>> 
>>> Since you mentioned business location I thought I'd mention the $3.00 app 
>>> named "WhereTo?" by future tap.  It has a list of categories and results 
>>> which IMHO absolutely puts geo to shame and more over, the business can be 
>>> seamlessly passed to either Navigon, TomTom or the built in "maps" app 
>>> where it launches the preferred "helper app" and sets  the desired POI as 
>>> the destination
>>> 
>>> I can't speak for Garmet or TomTom, but IMHO the POI location feature in 
>>> Navigon is okay, but you can only get so many pois into a 1.6 GB app.
>>> 
>>> The URL for WhereTo? in the US app store is: 
>>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next/id314785156?mt=8
>>> 
>>> Best regards.
>>> Geoff
>>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 Scott,
 
 I have not had sufficient experience to comment on Garmin. I find that of 
 the few I have tried including Navigon will get you pretty close, within 
 30 feet. I have seen the interface and liked it a lot and I would like to 
 have someone comment on POIs and if it speaks while in "walking" mode. My 
 conversation with Garmin was it did not, but I suspect the person I spoke 
 to did not understand what I was asking and was not willing to check it 
 out. Of course not having an actual route to walk, I suspect a lack of a 
 simulation mode might be the problem in that case.
 Sorry I can't provide more info.
 Scott
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 
> Scott, could you speak more about the Garmin app and it's features as 
> they relate to a blind user?
> 
> How is it for walking routes?  What sort of features are available.
> 
> I've used Geo does it have a lot of the business locating features etc?  
> How about the walking maps?  Do they tend to put you in the middle of 
> parking lots or do they calculate a little to at least put you on the 
> sidewalk in front of the building?
> 
>   In general, how's the accuracy of the GPS receiver?  I hear it's not 
> that great from a sited engineer friend of mine.  He designs GPS 
> receivers though so he might be picky.  How well do you find it works?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Robert,
>> 
>> Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want 
>> the most current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have 
>> not tried Tom TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better 
>> than Navigon; however, both apps are quite good. I know the most recent 
>> version of the Garmin software apparently includes improvements for 
>> accessibility, but not sure what exactly those are. I believe either 
>> will meet your needs and it may come down to which interface you prefer 
>> and if you can live with the data use of Garmin with the understanding 
>> the tradeoff is in more current map data. I again cannot speak about Tom 
>> TOm since I have never used it. I think the reason you hear more about 
>> Navigon and TOm TOm is simply that both h

Re: GPS Apps

[Tom Frank]

Hello Kawal,
Remember to double tap every time Navigon puts you into a new edit field. That 
means the city, street and number. It's kind of annoying but that's VO as far 
as I know it.
Tom Frank
vermont...@gmail.com



On Feb 12, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Hi Geoff.
> 
> I don't know if you are using Navigon a lot, but I do have problems with it 
> in that if I try and search for an address by putting in all the relevant 
> information, it won't accept the details as sometimes Voice Over won't go 
> into the edit boxes.  Have you or anyone else had that problem?  I'm still 
> using GEO.  I just wish Navigon spoke where you were automatically as you 
> have to do a lot of flicking whereas GEO just tells you where you are which I 
> find very important if I'm travelling independently on the busses.  If I 
> could get Navigon to accept my information then I'd be OK with it.
> 
> Kawal. 
> On 12 Feb 2011, at 06:57, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> This is a great pointer!
>> 
>> Really, thank you I'm going to give this a shot.
>> 
>> I recently regained my interest in GPS because I'm up in San Francisco so 
>> frequently now and there is very solid public transportation up there.  I 
>> generally cheat and take cabs or have my assistant come up for big projects 
>> but I'm trying to expand my boundaries.  Pushing one's limits and all that 
>> sort of thing.
>> 
>> I'm interested in anything on this topic so I hope it continues.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings Scott G,
>>> 
>>> Since you mentioned business location I thought I'd mention the $3.00 app 
>>> named "WhereTo?" by future tap.  It has a list of categories and results 
>>> which IMHO absolutely puts geo to shame and more over, the business can be 
>>> seamlessly passed to either Navigon, TomTom or the built in "maps" app 
>>> where it launches the preferred "helper app" and sets  the desired POI as 
>>> the destination
>>> 
>>> I can't speak for Garmet or TomTom, but IMHO the POI location feature in 
>>> Navigon is okay, but you can only get so many pois into a 1.6 GB app.
>>> 
>>> The URL for WhereTo? in the US app store is: 
>>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next/id314785156?mt=8
>>> 
>>> Best regards.
>>> Geoff
>>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 Scott,
 
 I have not had sufficient experience to comment on Garmin. I find that of 
 the few I have tried including Navigon will get you pretty close, within 
 30 feet. I have seen the interface and liked it a lot and I would like to 
 have someone comment on POIs and if it speaks while in "walking" mode. My 
 conversation with Garmin was it did not, but I suspect the person I spoke 
 to did not understand what I was asking and was not willing to check it 
 out. Of course not having an actual route to walk, I suspect a lack of a 
 simulation mode might be the problem in that case.
 Sorry I can't provide more info.
 Scott
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 
> Scott, could you speak more about the Garmin app and it's features as 
> they relate to a blind user?
> 
> How is it for walking routes?  What sort of features are available.
> 
> I've used Geo does it have a lot of the business locating features etc?  
> How about the walking maps?  Do they tend to put you in the middle of 
> parking lots or do they calculate a little to at least put you on the 
> sidewalk in front of the building?
> 
>   In general, how's the accuracy of the GPS receiver?  I hear it's not 
> that great from a sited engineer friend of mine.  He designs GPS 
> receivers though so he might be picky.  How well do you find it works?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Robert,
>> 
>> Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want 
>> the most current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have 
>> not tried Tom TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better 
>> than Navigon; however, both apps are quite good. I know the most recent 
>> version of the Garmin software apparently includes improvements for 
>> accessibility, but not sure what exactly those are. I believe either 
>> will meet your needs and it may come down to which interface you prefer 
>> and if you can live with the data use of Garmin with the understanding 
>> the tradeoff is in more current map data. I again cannot speak about Tom 
>> TOm since I have never used it. I think the reason you hear more about 
>> Navigon and TOm TOm is simply that both have been around a bit longer on 
>> the iOS platform.
>> 
>> hth,
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Robert Hooper 

Re: GPS Apps

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Geoff.

I don't know if you are using Navigon a lot, but I do have problems with it in 
that if I try and search for an address by putting in all the relevant 
information, it won't accept the details as sometimes Voice Over won't go into 
the edit boxes.  Have you or anyone else had that problem?  I'm still using 
GEO.  I just wish Navigon spoke where you were automatically as you have to do 
a lot of flicking whereas GEO just tells you where you are which I find very 
important if I'm travelling independently on the busses.  If I could get 
Navigon to accept my information then I'd be OK with it.

Kawal. 
On 12 Feb 2011, at 06:57, Scott Granados wrote:

> This is a great pointer!
> 
> Really, thank you I'm going to give this a shot.
> 
> I recently regained my interest in GPS because I'm up in San Francisco so 
> frequently now and there is very solid public transportation up there.  I 
> generally cheat and take cabs or have my assistant come up for big projects 
> but I'm trying to expand my boundaries.  Pushing one's limits and all that 
> sort of thing.
> 
> I'm interested in anything on this topic so I hope it continues.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> 
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
> 
>> Greetings Scott G,
>> 
>> Since you mentioned business location I thought I'd mention the $3.00 app 
>> named "WhereTo?" by future tap.  It has a list of categories and results 
>> which IMHO absolutely puts geo to shame and more over, the business can be 
>> seamlessly passed to either Navigon, TomTom or the built in "maps" app where 
>> it launches the preferred "helper app" and sets  the desired POI as the 
>> destination
>> 
>> I can't speak for Garmet or TomTom, but IMHO the POI location feature in 
>> Navigon is okay, but you can only get so many pois into a 1.6 GB app.
>> 
>> The URL for WhereTo? in the US app store is: 
>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next/id314785156?mt=8
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff
>>  
>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I have not had sufficient experience to comment on Garmin. I find that of 
>>> the few I have tried including Navigon will get you pretty close, within 30 
>>> feet. I have seen the interface and liked it a lot and I would like to have 
>>> someone comment on POIs and if it speaks while in "walking" mode. My 
>>> conversation with Garmin was it did not, but I suspect the person I spoke 
>>> to did not understand what I was asking and was not willing to check it 
>>> out. Of course not having an actual route to walk, I suspect a lack of a 
>>> simulation mode might be the problem in that case.
>>> Sorry I can't provide more info.
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> 
 Scott, could you speak more about the Garmin app and it's features as they 
 relate to a blind user?
 
 How is it for walking routes?  What sort of features are available.
 
 I've used Geo does it have a lot of the business locating features etc?  
 How about the walking maps?  Do they tend to put you in the middle of 
 parking lots or do they calculate a little to at least put you on the 
 sidewalk in front of the building?
 
In general, how's the accuracy of the GPS receiver?  I hear it's not 
 that great from a sited engineer friend of mine.  He designs GPS receivers 
 though so he might be picky.  How well do you find it works?
 
 Thanks
 Scott
  
 On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
> Robert,
> 
> Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want 
> the most current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have 
> not tried Tom TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better 
> than Navigon; however, both apps are quite good. I know the most recent 
> version of the Garmin software apparently includes improvements for 
> accessibility, but not sure what exactly those are. I believe either will 
> meet your needs and it may come down to which interface you prefer and if 
> you can live with the data use of Garmin with the understanding the 
> tradeoff is in more current map data. I again cannot speak about Tom TOm 
> since I have never used it. I think the reason you hear more about 
> Navigon and TOm TOm is simply that both have been around a bit longer on 
> the iOS platform.
> 
> hth,
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:
> 
>> Before even getting into the question I wish to ask on this post, let me 
>> stop and acknowledge that I am indeed aware of the fact that the word 
>> “best”, so often used, is just a four letter word incapable of nearly 
>> anything. With that being said, I will be receiving my iPhone tomorrow 
>> and wish to fill it full of delicious apps. I would like one

Re: GPS Apps

[Geoff Waaler]

Hi Ricardo and Eric,

For what it does (and the price) around me is excellent!!  The main difference 
between aroundMe and WhereTo is the number of categories.  AroundMe has a total 
of 18 with a few redundancies such as "bars" and "pubs".  If I select the "food 
and drink" category in "whereTo?" here is the list of subcategories under the 
letter a:
Afgan
African

all you can eat
American
Argentinean

Armenian
Asian
Australian
and Austrian

I'll spare the reader (and my fingers) a trip through the rest of the alphabet 
or rundown of other business categories, but I can't think of one that isn't 
covered.

As I understand it, the initial release of lookAround listed the five nearest 
points of interest without regard to user category preference, but perhaps a 
subsequent release rendered their business search feature more useful?

Best regards.
Geoff


On Feb 12, 2011, at 6:58 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Or by contrast compared to the 5 dollar lookaround app by sendero?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
> 1-888-255-5194
> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2011-02-12, at 2:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi Geoff,
>> 
>> I've never used where to.  I use around me for my POI needs.  I was 
>> wondering if you've used around me, and if so, could you compare and 
>> contrast the two apps a bit?  Around me is free and I find it to be pretty 
>> good.  I was wondering what one would get for their $3 for where to.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 12:27 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings Scott G,
>>> 
>>> Since you mentioned business location I thought I'd mention the $3.00 app 
>>> named "WhereTo?" by future tap.  It has a list of categories and results 
>>> which IMHO absolutely puts geo to shame and more over, the business can be 
>>> seamlessly passed to either Navigon, TomTom or the built in "maps" app 
>>> where it launches the preferred "helper app" and sets  the desired POI as 
>>> the destination
>>> 
>>> I can't speak for Garmet or TomTom, but IMHO the POI location feature in 
>>> Navigon is okay, but you can only get so many pois into a 1.6 GB app.
>>> 
>>> The URL for WhereTo? in the US app store is: 
>>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next/id314785156?mt=8
>>> 
>>> Best regards.
>>> Geoff
>>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 Scott,
 
 I have not had sufficient experience to comment on Garmin. I find that of 
 the few I have tried including Navigon will get you pretty close, within 
 30 feet. I have seen the interface and liked it a lot and I would like to 
 have someone comment on POIs and if it speaks while in "walking" mode. My 
 conversation with Garmin was it did not, but I suspect the person I spoke 
 to did not understand what I was asking and was not willing to check it 
 out. Of course not having an actual route to walk, I suspect a lack of a 
 simulation mode might be the problem in that case.
 Sorry I can't provide more info.
 Scott
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 
> Scott, could you speak more about the Garmin app and it's features as 
> they relate to a blind user?
> 
> How is it for walking routes?  What sort of features are available.
> 
> I've used Geo does it have a lot of the business locating features etc?  
> How about the walking maps?  Do they tend to put you in the middle of 
> parking lots or do they calculate a little to at least put you on the 
> sidewalk in front of the building?
> 
>   In general, how's the accuracy of the GPS receiver?  I hear it's not 
> that great from a sited engineer friend of mine.  He designs GPS 
> receivers though so he might be picky.  How well do you find it works?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Robert,
>> 
>> Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want 
>> the most current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have 
>> not tried Tom TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better 
>> than Navigon; however, both apps are quite good. I know the most recent 
>> version of the Garmin software apparently includes improvements for 
>> accessibility, but not sure what exactly those are. I believe either 
>> will meet your needs and it may come down to which interface you prefer 
>> and if you can live with the data use of Garmin with the understanding 
>> the tradeoff is in more current map data. I again cannot speak about Tom 
>> TOm since I have never used it. I think the reason you hear more about 
>> Navigon and TOm TOm is simply that both have been arou

Re: GPS Apps

[erik burggraaf]

Or by contrast compared to the 5 dollar lookaround app by sendero?

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
1-888-255-5194
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2011-02-12, at 2:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi Geoff,
> 
> I've never used where to.  I use around me for my POI needs.  I was wondering 
> if you've used around me, and if so, could you compare and contrast the two 
> apps a bit?  Around me is free and I find it to be pretty good.  I was 
> wondering what one would get for their $3 for where to.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 12, 2011, at 12:27 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
> 
>> Greetings Scott G,
>> 
>> Since you mentioned business location I thought I'd mention the $3.00 app 
>> named "WhereTo?" by future tap.  It has a list of categories and results 
>> which IMHO absolutely puts geo to shame and more over, the business can be 
>> seamlessly passed to either Navigon, TomTom or the built in "maps" app where 
>> it launches the preferred "helper app" and sets  the desired POI as the 
>> destination
>> 
>> I can't speak for Garmet or TomTom, but IMHO the POI location feature in 
>> Navigon is okay, but you can only get so many pois into a 1.6 GB app.
>> 
>> The URL for WhereTo? in the US app store is: 
>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next/id314785156?mt=8
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff
>> 
>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I have not had sufficient experience to comment on Garmin. I find that of 
>>> the few I have tried including Navigon will get you pretty close, within 30 
>>> feet. I have seen the interface and liked it a lot and I would like to have 
>>> someone comment on POIs and if it speaks while in "walking" mode. My 
>>> conversation with Garmin was it did not, but I suspect the person I spoke 
>>> to did not understand what I was asking and was not willing to check it 
>>> out. Of course not having an actual route to walk, I suspect a lack of a 
>>> simulation mode might be the problem in that case.
>>> Sorry I can't provide more info.
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> 
 Scott, could you speak more about the Garmin app and it's features as they 
 relate to a blind user?
 
 How is it for walking routes?  What sort of features are available.
 
 I've used Geo does it have a lot of the business locating features etc?  
 How about the walking maps?  Do they tend to put you in the middle of 
 parking lots or do they calculate a little to at least put you on the 
 sidewalk in front of the building?
 
In general, how's the accuracy of the GPS receiver?  I hear it's not 
 that great from a sited engineer friend of mine.  He designs GPS receivers 
 though so he might be picky.  How well do you find it works?
 
 Thanks
 Scott
 
 On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
> Robert,
> 
> Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want 
> the most current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have 
> not tried Tom TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better 
> than Navigon; however, both apps are quite good. I know the most recent 
> version of the Garmin software apparently includes improvements for 
> accessibility, but not sure what exactly those are. I believe either will 
> meet your needs and it may come down to which interface you prefer and if 
> you can live with the data use of Garmin with the understanding the 
> tradeoff is in more current map data. I again cannot speak about Tom TOm 
> since I have never used it. I think the reason you hear more about 
> Navigon and TOm TOm is simply that both have been around a bit longer on 
> the iOS platform.
> 
> hth,
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:
> 
>> Before even getting into the question I wish to ask on this post, let me 
>> stop and acknowledge that I am indeed aware of the fact that the word 
>> “best”, so often used, is just a four letter word incapable of nearly 
>> anything. With that being said, I will be receiving my iPhone tomorrow 
>> and wish to fill it full of delicious apps. I would like one of the apps 
>> to be a GPS package.
>>At this point, I have arrived at three possible 
>> conclusions via friends, this list, and the Applevis web site. I am 
>> considering the Garmin app, Navigon, and Tomtom, the latter mainly 
>> because I hear it’s accessible and the primary rival to Navigon. What 
>> are the benefits for each app? Why should I choose one over the other? I 
>> know that the Garmin app doesn’t locally st

Re: GPS Apps

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi Geoff,

I've never used where to.  I use around me for my POI needs.  I was wondering 
if you've used around me, and if so, could you compare and contrast the two 
apps a bit?  Around me is free and I find it to be pretty good.  I was 
wondering what one would get for their $3 for where to.

Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197



On Feb 12, 2011, at 12:27 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Greetings Scott G,
> 
> Since you mentioned business location I thought I'd mention the $3.00 app 
> named "WhereTo?" by future tap.  It has a list of categories and results 
> which IMHO absolutely puts geo to shame and more over, the business can be 
> seamlessly passed to either Navigon, TomTom or the built in "maps" app where 
> it launches the preferred "helper app" and sets  the desired POI as the 
> destination
> 
> I can't speak for Garmet or TomTom, but IMHO the POI location feature in 
> Navigon is okay, but you can only get so many pois into a 1.6 GB app.
> 
> The URL for WhereTo? in the US app store is: 
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next/id314785156?mt=8
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
>  
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> I have not had sufficient experience to comment on Garmin. I find that of 
>> the few I have tried including Navigon will get you pretty close, within 30 
>> feet. I have seen the interface and liked it a lot and I would like to have 
>> someone comment on POIs and if it speaks while in "walking" mode. My 
>> conversation with Garmin was it did not, but I suspect the person I spoke to 
>> did not understand what I was asking and was not willing to check it out. Of 
>> course not having an actual route to walk, I suspect a lack of a simulation 
>> mode might be the problem in that case.
>> Sorry I can't provide more info.
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> 
>>> Scott, could you speak more about the Garmin app and it's features as they 
>>> relate to a blind user?
>>> 
>>> How is it for walking routes?  What sort of features are available.
>>> 
>>> I've used Geo does it have a lot of the business locating features etc?  
>>> How about the walking maps?  Do they tend to put you in the middle of 
>>> parking lots or do they calculate a little to at least put you on the 
>>> sidewalk in front of the building?
>>> 
>>> In general, how's the accuracy of the GPS receiver?  I hear it's not 
>>> that great from a sited engineer friend of mine.  He designs GPS receivers 
>>> though so he might be picky.  How well do you find it works?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>>  
>>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 Robert,
 
 Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want the 
 most current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have not 
 tried Tom TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better than 
 Navigon; however, both apps are quite good. I know the most recent version 
 of the Garmin software apparently includes improvements for accessibility, 
 but not sure what exactly those are. I believe either will meet your needs 
 and it may come down to which interface you prefer and if you can live 
 with the data use of Garmin with the understanding the tradeoff is in more 
 current map data. I again cannot speak about Tom TOm since I have never 
 used it. I think the reason you hear more about Navigon and TOm TOm is 
 simply that both have been around a bit longer on the iOS platform.
 
 hth,
 Scott
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:
 
> Before even getting into the question I wish to ask on this post, let me 
> stop and acknowledge that I am indeed aware of the fact that the word 
> “best”, so often used, is just a four letter word incapable of nearly 
> anything. With that being said, I will be receiving my iPhone tomorrow 
> and wish to fill it full of delicious apps. I would like one of the apps 
> to be a GPS package.
> At this point, I have arrived at three possible 
> conclusions via friends, this list, and the Applevis web site. I am 
> considering the Garmin app, Navigon, and Tomtom, the latter mainly 
> because I hear it’s accessible and the primary rival to Navigon. What are 
> the benefits for each app? Why should I choose one over the other? I know 
> that the Garmin app doesn’t locally store map information and the maps 
> are constantly updated as well as traffic and weather information. How 
> does Navigon compete with this? Are there updates to Navigon’s maps? Does 
> it provide the same type of information? And what of Tomtom? Does it 
> store maps locally or are they accessed remotely like Garmin?
> Another reason I am undecided is that Garmin looks 

Re: GPS Apps

[Scott Granados]

This is a great pointer!

Really, thank you I'm going to give this a shot.

I recently regained my interest in GPS because I'm up in San Francisco so 
frequently now and there is very solid public transportation up there.  I 
generally cheat and take cabs or have my assistant come up for big projects but 
I'm trying to expand my boundaries.  Pushing one's limits and all that sort of 
thing.

I'm interested in anything on this topic so I hope it continues.

Thanks
Scott


On Feb 11, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Greetings Scott G,
> 
> Since you mentioned business location I thought I'd mention the $3.00 app 
> named "WhereTo?" by future tap.  It has a list of categories and results 
> which IMHO absolutely puts geo to shame and more over, the business can be 
> seamlessly passed to either Navigon, TomTom or the built in "maps" app where 
> it launches the preferred "helper app" and sets  the desired POI as the 
> destination
> 
> I can't speak for Garmet or TomTom, but IMHO the POI location feature in 
> Navigon is okay, but you can only get so many pois into a 1.6 GB app.
> 
> The URL for WhereTo? in the US app store is: 
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next/id314785156?mt=8
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
>  
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> I have not had sufficient experience to comment on Garmin. I find that of 
>> the few I have tried including Navigon will get you pretty close, within 30 
>> feet. I have seen the interface and liked it a lot and I would like to have 
>> someone comment on POIs and if it speaks while in "walking" mode. My 
>> conversation with Garmin was it did not, but I suspect the person I spoke to 
>> did not understand what I was asking and was not willing to check it out. Of 
>> course not having an actual route to walk, I suspect a lack of a simulation 
>> mode might be the problem in that case.
>> Sorry I can't provide more info.
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> 
>>> Scott, could you speak more about the Garmin app and it's features as they 
>>> relate to a blind user?
>>> 
>>> How is it for walking routes?  What sort of features are available.
>>> 
>>> I've used Geo does it have a lot of the business locating features etc?  
>>> How about the walking maps?  Do they tend to put you in the middle of 
>>> parking lots or do they calculate a little to at least put you on the 
>>> sidewalk in front of the building?
>>> 
>>> In general, how's the accuracy of the GPS receiver?  I hear it's not 
>>> that great from a sited engineer friend of mine.  He designs GPS receivers 
>>> though so he might be picky.  How well do you find it works?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>>  
>>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 Robert,
 
 Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want the 
 most current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have not 
 tried Tom TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better than 
 Navigon; however, both apps are quite good. I know the most recent version 
 of the Garmin software apparently includes improvements for accessibility, 
 but not sure what exactly those are. I believe either will meet your needs 
 and it may come down to which interface you prefer and if you can live 
 with the data use of Garmin with the understanding the tradeoff is in more 
 current map data. I again cannot speak about Tom TOm since I have never 
 used it. I think the reason you hear more about Navigon and TOm TOm is 
 simply that both have been around a bit longer on the iOS platform.
 
 hth,
 Scott
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:
 
> Before even getting into the question I wish to ask on this post, let me 
> stop and acknowledge that I am indeed aware of the fact that the word 
> “best”, so often used, is just a four letter word incapable of nearly 
> anything. With that being said, I will be receiving my iPhone tomorrow 
> and wish to fill it full of delicious apps. I would like one of the apps 
> to be a GPS package.
> At this point, I have arrived at three possible 
> conclusions via friends, this list, and the Applevis web site. I am 
> considering the Garmin app, Navigon, and Tomtom, the latter mainly 
> because I hear it’s accessible and the primary rival to Navigon. What are 
> the benefits for each app? Why should I choose one over the other? I know 
> that the Garmin app doesn’t locally store map information and the maps 
> are constantly updated as well as traffic and weather information. How 
> does Navigon compete with this? Are there updates to Navigon’s maps? Does 
> it provide the same type of information? And what of Tomtom? Does it 
> store maps locally or are they accessed remotely like

Re: GPS Apps

[Geoff Waaler]

Greetings Scott G,

Since you mentioned business location I thought I'd mention the $3.00 app named 
"WhereTo?" by future tap.  It has a list of categories and results which IMHO 
absolutely puts geo to shame and more over, the business can be seamlessly 
passed to either Navigon, TomTom or the built in "maps" app where it launches 
the preferred "helper app" and sets  the desired POI as the destination

I can't speak for Garmet or TomTom, but IMHO the POI location feature in 
Navigon is okay, but you can only get so many pois into a 1.6 GB app.

The URL for WhereTo? in the US app store is: 
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next/id314785156?mt=8

Best regards.
Geoff
 
On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Scott,
> 
> I have not had sufficient experience to comment on Garmin. I find that of the 
> few I have tried including Navigon will get you pretty close, within 30 feet. 
> I have seen the interface and liked it a lot and I would like to have someone 
> comment on POIs and if it speaks while in "walking" mode. My conversation 
> with Garmin was it did not, but I suspect the person I spoke to did not 
> understand what I was asking and was not willing to check it out. Of course 
> not having an actual route to walk, I suspect a lack of a simulation mode 
> might be the problem in that case.
> Sorry I can't provide more info.
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Scott, could you speak more about the Garmin app and it's features as they 
>> relate to a blind user?
>> 
>> How is it for walking routes?  What sort of features are available.
>> 
>> I've used Geo does it have a lot of the business locating features etc?  How 
>> about the walking maps?  Do they tend to put you in the middle of parking 
>> lots or do they calculate a little to at least put you on the sidewalk in 
>> front of the building?
>> 
>>  In general, how's the accuracy of the GPS receiver?  I hear it's not 
>> that great from a sited engineer friend of mine.  He designs GPS receivers 
>> though so he might be picky.  How well do you find it works?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>>  
>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Robert,
>>> 
>>> Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want the 
>>> most current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have not 
>>> tried Tom TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better than 
>>> Navigon; however, both apps are quite good. I know the most recent version 
>>> of the Garmin software apparently includes improvements for accessibility, 
>>> but not sure what exactly those are. I believe either will meet your needs 
>>> and it may come down to which interface you prefer and if you can live with 
>>> the data use of Garmin with the understanding the tradeoff is in more 
>>> current map data. I again cannot speak about Tom TOm since I have never 
>>> used it. I think the reason you hear more about Navigon and TOm TOm is 
>>> simply that both have been around a bit longer on the iOS platform.
>>> 
>>> hth,
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:
>>> 
 Before even getting into the question I wish to ask on this post, let me 
 stop and acknowledge that I am indeed aware of the fact that the word 
 “best”, so often used, is just a four letter word incapable of nearly 
 anything. With that being said, I will be receiving my iPhone tomorrow and 
 wish to fill it full of delicious apps. I would like one of the apps to be 
 a GPS package.
 At this point, I have arrived at three possible 
 conclusions via friends, this list, and the Applevis web site. I am 
 considering the Garmin app, Navigon, and Tomtom, the latter mainly because 
 I hear it’s accessible and the primary rival to Navigon. What are the 
 benefits for each app? Why should I choose one over the other? I know that 
 the Garmin app doesn’t locally store map information and the maps are 
 constantly updated as well as traffic and weather information. How does 
 Navigon compete with this? Are there updates to Navigon’s maps? Does it 
 provide the same type of information? And what of Tomtom? Does it store 
 maps locally or are they accessed remotely like Garmin?
 Another reason I am undecided is that Garmin looks the most impressive, 
 yet it is only ever Tomtom and Navigon about which I hear—so is there some 
 drawback to Garmin which prevents it from competing on the same level? I 
 read on the Applevis web site that Garmin is very accessible, as well as 
 Navigon. Any information is welcome—if I have to have multiple solutions, 
 I guess I could do that, but it would be much easier just to depend on one.
 Finally, does it really matter that much which app I decide to use? Is one 
 essentially as good as the other? Any input would be appreciated—no ma

Re: GPS Apps

[Scott Howell]

Scott,

I have not had sufficient experience to comment on Garmin. I find that of the 
few I have tried including Navigon will get you pretty close, within 30 feet. I 
have seen the interface and liked it a lot and I would like to have someone 
comment on POIs and if it speaks while in "walking" mode. My conversation with 
Garmin was it did not, but I suspect the person I spoke to did not understand 
what I was asking and was not willing to check it out. Of course not having an 
actual route to walk, I suspect a lack of a simulation mode might be the 
problem in that case.
Sorry I can't provide more info.
Scott





On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Scott, could you speak more about the Garmin app and it's features as they 
> relate to a blind user?
> 
> How is it for walking routes?  What sort of features are available.
> 
> I've used Geo does it have a lot of the business locating features etc?  How 
> about the walking maps?  Do they tend to put you in the middle of parking 
> lots or do they calculate a little to at least put you on the sidewalk in 
> front of the building?
> 
>   In general, how's the accuracy of the GPS receiver?  I hear it's not 
> that great from a sited engineer friend of mine.  He designs GPS receivers 
> though so he might be picky.  How well do you find it works?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
>  
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Robert,
>> 
>> Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want the 
>> most current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have not 
>> tried Tom TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better than 
>> Navigon; however, both apps are quite good. I know the most recent version 
>> of the Garmin software apparently includes improvements for accessibility, 
>> but not sure what exactly those are. I believe either will meet your needs 
>> and it may come down to which interface you prefer and if you can live with 
>> the data use of Garmin with the understanding the tradeoff is in more 
>> current map data. I again cannot speak about Tom TOm since I have never used 
>> it. I think the reason you hear more about Navigon and TOm TOm is simply 
>> that both have been around a bit longer on the iOS platform.
>> 
>> hth,
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:
>> 
>>> Before even getting into the question I wish to ask on this post, let me 
>>> stop and acknowledge that I am indeed aware of the fact that the word 
>>> “best”, so often used, is just a four letter word incapable of nearly 
>>> anything. With that being said, I will be receiving my iPhone tomorrow and 
>>> wish to fill it full of delicious apps. I would like one of the apps to be 
>>> a GPS package.
>>> At this point, I have arrived at three possible conclusions 
>>> via friends, this list, and the Applevis web site. I am considering the 
>>> Garmin app, Navigon, and Tomtom, the latter mainly because I hear it’s 
>>> accessible and the primary rival to Navigon. What are the benefits for each 
>>> app? Why should I choose one over the other? I know that the Garmin app 
>>> doesn’t locally store map information and the maps are constantly updated 
>>> as well as traffic and weather information. How does Navigon compete with 
>>> this? Are there updates to Navigon’s maps? Does it provide the same type of 
>>> information? And what of Tomtom? Does it store maps locally or are they 
>>> accessed remotely like Garmin?
>>> Another reason I am undecided is that Garmin looks the most impressive, yet 
>>> it is only ever Tomtom and Navigon about which I hear—so is there some 
>>> drawback to Garmin which prevents it from competing on the same level? I 
>>> read on the Applevis web site that Garmin is very accessible, as well as 
>>> Navigon. Any information is welcome—if I have to have multiple solutions, I 
>>> guess I could do that, but it would be much easier just to depend on one.
>>> Finally, does it really matter that much which app I decide to use? Is one 
>>> essentially as good as the other? Any input would be appreciated—no matter 
>>> how lengthy (I would even prefer lengthy ).
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robert Hooper
>>> hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
>>> The Ohio State University
>>> 553 Morrill Tower
>>> 1900 Cannon Drive
>>> Columbus, Ohio 43210
>>> (740) 856-9435
>>>  
>>>  
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Re: GPS Apps

[Scott Granados]

Can I say that's one of the coolest things I've heard in a while...

I wish I lived in a village!

The oldest house I've ever lived in was built in 1910.  Where I live now was 
built in the 70S and that's considered old.

I want to live in a village!

On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Colin,
> 
> I have Kapten WEU and use it for planning routes using public transport, but 
> I find it less accurate than Navigon when walking. I'll have to give it 
> another go soon, maybe the next time I go into Paris. Here in my village, all 
> the GPS solutions try to send me on weird routes, and none of them will 
> believe that my house exists. The house has been here for hundreds of years.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> On 11 Feb 2011, at 13:07, Colin M wrote:
> 
>> Hi there!
>> Ok I'm curious does anyone reading this thread use or not like the Kapten 
>> software!
>> I know its available for the I phone and is made for blind-vi users!
>> Is it no good or just not popular!
>> Cheers
>> Col
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Re: GPS Apps

[Scott Granados]

Scott, could you speak more about the Garmin app and it's features as they 
relate to a blind user?

How is it for walking routes?  What sort of features are available.

I've used Geo does it have a lot of the business locating features etc?  How 
about the walking maps?  Do they tend to put you in the middle of parking lots 
or do they calculate a little to at least put you on the sidewalk in front of 
the building?

In general, how's the accuracy of the GPS receiver?  I hear it's not 
that great from a sited engineer friend of mine.  He designs GPS receivers 
though so he might be picky.  How well do you find it works?

Thanks
Scott
 
On Feb 11, 2011, at 2:46 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Robert,
> 
> Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want the 
> most current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have not tried 
> Tom TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better than Navigon; 
> however, both apps are quite good. I know the most recent version of the 
> Garmin software apparently includes improvements for accessibility, but not 
> sure what exactly those are. I believe either will meet your needs and it may 
> come down to which interface you prefer and if you can live with the data use 
> of Garmin with the understanding the tradeoff is in more current map data. I 
> again cannot speak about Tom TOm since I have never used it. I think the 
> reason you hear more about Navigon and TOm TOm is simply that both have been 
> around a bit longer on the iOS platform.
> 
> hth,
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:
> 
>> Before even getting into the question I wish to ask on this post, let me 
>> stop and acknowledge that I am indeed aware of the fact that the word 
>> “best”, so often used, is just a four letter word incapable of nearly 
>> anything. With that being said, I will be receiving my iPhone tomorrow and 
>> wish to fill it full of delicious apps. I would like one of the apps to be a 
>> GPS package.
>> At this point, I have arrived at three possible conclusions 
>> via friends, this list, and the Applevis web site. I am considering the 
>> Garmin app, Navigon, and Tomtom, the latter mainly because I hear it’s 
>> accessible and the primary rival to Navigon. What are the benefits for each 
>> app? Why should I choose one over the other? I know that the Garmin app 
>> doesn’t locally store map information and the maps are constantly updated as 
>> well as traffic and weather information. How does Navigon compete with this? 
>> Are there updates to Navigon’s maps? Does it provide the same type of 
>> information? And what of Tomtom? Does it store maps locally or are they 
>> accessed remotely like Garmin?
>> Another reason I am undecided is that Garmin looks the most impressive, yet 
>> it is only ever Tomtom and Navigon about which I hear—so is there some 
>> drawback to Garmin which prevents it from competing on the same level? I 
>> read on the Applevis web site that Garmin is very accessible, as well as 
>> Navigon. Any information is welcome—if I have to have multiple solutions, I 
>> guess I could do that, but it would be much easier just to depend on one.
>> Finally, does it really matter that much which app I decide to use? Is one 
>> essentially as good as the other? Any input would be appreciated—no matter 
>> how lengthy (I would even prefer lengthy ).
>> Thanks,
>> Robert Hooper
>> hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
>> The Ohio State University
>> 553 Morrill Tower
>> 1900 Cannon Drive
>> Columbus, Ohio 43210
>> (740) 856-9435
>>  
>>  
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Re: GPS Apps

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Colin,

I have Kapten WEU and use it for planning routes using public transport, but I 
find it less accurate than Navigon when walking. I'll have to give it another 
go soon, maybe the next time I go into Paris. Here in my village, all the GPS 
solutions try to send me on weird routes, and none of them will believe that my 
house exists. The house has been here for hundreds of years.

Cheers,

Anne

On 11 Feb 2011, at 13:07, Colin M wrote:

> Hi there!
> Ok I'm curious does anyone reading this thread use or not like the Kapten 
> software!
> I know its available for the I phone and is made for blind-vi users!
> Is it no good or just not popular!
> Cheers
> Col

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Re: GPS Apps

[Colin M]

Hi there!
Ok I'm curious does anyone reading this thread use or not like the Kapten 
software!
I know its available for the I phone and is made for blind-vi users!
Is it no good or just not popular!
Cheers
Colin
Qapla!

Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

On 11 Feb 2011, at 10:46, Scott Howell wrote:

> Robert,
> 
> Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want the 
> most current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have not tried 
> Tom TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better than Navigon; 
> however, both apps are quite good. I know the most recent version of the 
> Garmin software apparently includes improvements for accessibility, but not 
> sure what exactly those are. I believe either will meet your needs and it may 
> come down to which interface you prefer and if you can live with the data use 
> of Garmin with the understanding the tradeoff is in more current map data. I 
> again cannot speak about Tom TOm since I have never used it. I think the 
> reason you hear more about Navigon and TOm TOm is simply that both have been 
> around a bit longer on the iOS platform.
> 
> hth,
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:
> 
>> Before even getting into the question I wish to ask on this post, let me 
>> stop and acknowledge that I am indeed aware of the fact that the word 
>> “best”, so often used, is just a four letter word incapable of nearly 
>> anything. With that being said, I will be receiving my iPhone tomorrow and 
>> wish to fill it full of delicious apps. I would like one of the apps to be a 
>> GPS package.
>> At this point, I have arrived at three possible conclusions 
>> via friends, this list, and the Applevis web site. I am considering the 
>> Garmin app, Navigon, and Tomtom, the latter mainly because I hear it’s 
>> accessible and the primary rival to Navigon. What are the benefits for each 
>> app? Why should I choose one over the other? I know that the Garmin app 
>> doesn’t locally store map information and the maps are constantly updated as 
>> well as traffic and weather information. How does Navigon compete with this? 
>> Are there updates to Navigon’s maps? Does it provide the same type of 
>> information? And what of Tomtom? Does it store maps locally or are they 
>> accessed remotely like Garmin?
>> Another reason I am undecided is that Garmin looks the most impressive, yet 
>> it is only ever Tomtom and Navigon about which I hear—so is there some 
>> drawback to Garmin which prevents it from competing on the same level? I 
>> read on the Applevis web site that Garmin is very accessible, as well as 
>> Navigon. Any information is welcome—if I have to have multiple solutions, I 
>> guess I could do that, but it would be much easier just to depend on one.
>> Finally, does it really matter that much which app I decide to use? Is one 
>> essentially as good as the other? Any input would be appreciated—no matter 
>> how lengthy (I would even prefer lengthy ).
>> Thanks,
>> Robert Hooper
>> hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
>> The Ohio State University
>> 553 Morrill Tower
>> 1900 Cannon Drive
>> Columbus, Ohio 43210
>> (740) 856-9435
>>  
>>  
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Re: GPS Apps

[Scott Howell]

Robert,

Navigon only receives map updates when the app is updated. If you want the most 
current maps possible, the Garmin app is the way to go. I have not tried Tom 
TOm, but I find the Garmin interface to be a bit better than Navigon; however, 
both apps are quite good. I know the most recent version of the Garmin software 
apparently includes improvements for accessibility, but not sure what exactly 
those are. I believe either will meet your needs and it may come down to which 
interface you prefer and if you can live with the data use of Garmin with the 
understanding the tradeoff is in more current map data. I again cannot speak 
about Tom TOm since I have never used it. I think the reason you hear more 
about Navigon and TOm TOm is simply that both have been around a bit longer on 
the iOS platform.

hth,
Scott





On Feb 10, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:

> Before even getting into the question I wish to ask on this post, let me stop 
> and acknowledge that I am indeed aware of the fact that the word “best”, so 
> often used, is just a four letter word incapable of nearly anything. With 
> that being said, I will be receiving my iPhone tomorrow and wish to fill it 
> full of delicious apps. I would like one of the apps to be a GPS package.
> At this point, I have arrived at three possible conclusions 
> via friends, this list, and the Applevis web site. I am considering the 
> Garmin app, Navigon, and Tomtom, the latter mainly because I hear it’s 
> accessible and the primary rival to Navigon. What are the benefits for each 
> app? Why should I choose one over the other? I know that the Garmin app 
> doesn’t locally store map information and the maps are constantly updated as 
> well as traffic and weather information. How does Navigon compete with this? 
> Are there updates to Navigon’s maps? Does it provide the same type of 
> information? And what of Tomtom? Does it store maps locally or are they 
> accessed remotely like Garmin?
> Another reason I am undecided is that Garmin looks the most impressive, yet 
> it is only ever Tomtom and Navigon about which I hear—so is there some 
> drawback to Garmin which prevents it from competing on the same level? I read 
> on the Applevis web site that Garmin is very accessible, as well as Navigon. 
> Any information is welcome—if I have to have multiple solutions, I guess I 
> could do that, but it would be much easier just to depend on one.
> Finally, does it really matter that much which app I decide to use? Is one 
> essentially as good as the other? Any input would be appreciated—no matter 
> how lengthy (I would even prefer lengthy ).
> Thanks,
> Robert Hooper
> hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
> The Ohio State University
> 553 Morrill Tower
> 1900 Cannon Drive
> Columbus, Ohio 43210
> (740) 856-9435
>  
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GPS Apps

[Robert Hooper]

Before even getting into the question I wish to ask on this post, let me stop 
and acknowledge that I am indeed aware of the fact that the word "best", so 
often used, is just a four letter word incapable of nearly anything. With that 
being said, I will be receiving my iPhone tomorrow and wish to fill it full of 
delicious apps. I would like one of the apps to be a GPS package.
At this point, I have arrived at three possible conclusions via 
friends, this list, and the Applevis web site. I am considering the Garmin app, 
Navigon, and Tomtom, the latter mainly because I hear it's accessible and the 
primary rival to Navigon. What are the benefits for each app? Why should I 
choose one over the other? I know that the Garmin app doesn't locally store map 
information and the maps are constantly updated as well as traffic and weather 
information. How does Navigon compete with this? Are there updates to Navigon's 
maps? Does it provide the same type of information? And what of Tomtom? Does it 
store maps locally or are they accessed remotely like Garmin?
Another reason I am undecided is that Garmin looks the most impressive, yet it 
is only ever Tomtom and Navigon about which I hear-so is there some drawback to 
Garmin which prevents it from competing on the same level? I read on the 
Applevis web site that Garmin is very accessible, as well as Navigon. Any 
information is welcome-if I have to have multiple solutions, I guess I could do 
that, but it would be much easier just to depend on one.
Finally, does it really matter that much which app I decide to use? Is one 
essentially as good as the other? Any input would be appreciated-no matter how 
lengthy (I would even prefer lengthy ).
Thanks,
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
The Ohio State University
553 Morrill Tower
1900 Cannon Drive
Columbus, Ohio 43210
(740) 856-9435


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Searching the iTunes Store of a different country [was Re: GPS Apps for New Zealand besides TomTom [was Re: Response from Navigon]]

[Esther]

; link, press enter or VO-Space to go the  
link,  then VO-Space again to activate the link.
10. On the page with the list of country links, I would use item  
chooser menu again on the Mac (VO-I), type in the first few letters of  
country I wanted (e.g. "A u" for Australia), press either enter or VO- 
Space to select "Australia", and use VO-Space to activate the link and  
change countries.
11.  At this point I would run a search for applications the same way  
I would in my own iTunes Store (e.g., start from step number 1.)


This takes far more time to type out than it does to do.  Also,  
although there may be slightly faster ways to run the searches,  
because of recent changes in iTunes, I'm being very precise about the  
most accurate search sequences I use right now instead of simply  
telling people to press tab.


HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Earle wrote:

How do you go about searching in other app stores from different  
countries?  I couldn't find a way to do this.


Earle
- Original Message -
From: Esther
To: viph...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:36 PM
Subject: GPS Apps for New Zealand besides TomTom [was Re: Response  
from Navigon]


Hi David,

I don't believe that Navigon has added coverage for New Zealand yet,  
but when was the last time you checked your GPS app options?  GPS  
navigation apps have been multiplying like crazy in every store.   
For example, in New Zealand's app store you have access to MotionX  
GPS in both the regular and Lite versions:


• MotionX GPS ($4.19)
http://itunes.apple.com/nz/app/motionx-gps/id299949744?mt=8
• MotionX GPS Lite (Free)
http://itunes.apple.com/nz/app/motionx-gps-lite/id293935935?mt=8

And there's Sygic's "Mobile Maps Australia & New Zealand" ($64.99)
http://itunes.apple.com/nz/app/mobile-maps-australia-new-zealand/id319361043?mt=8

Now, probably some of the offerings won't be accessible. I'd stay  
away from "CoPilot Live Australia & New Zealand" ($64.99) based on  
the fact that the U.S. version of the app has been reported to be  
inaccessible with VoiceOver by a number of people, but some of these  
apps are likely to be usable. Certainly I'd try the MotionX GPS Lite  
app since it's free, and since people have reported the MotionX GPS  
Drive app for the U.S. to be quite accessible (and inexpensive).   
Also, there may be way to integrate points of interest from apps  
like "AroundMe" and "Where To?" that are available internationally  
(including in the New Zealand app store) with some of these GPS apps.


• Where To? -- GPS Points of Interest by FutureTap ($4.19)
http://itunes.apple.com/nz/app/where-to-gps-points-interest/id314785156?mt=8
• AroundMe by Tweakersoft (free)
http://itunes.apple.com/nz/app/aroundme/id290051590?mt=8

Easier for you to search for these apps than for me, since the New  
Zealand app store is your default iTunes store, but there are a lot  
of GPS apps out there.


Cheers,

Esther

David Chittenden wrote:


Hello,

Actually, we are not a small market. We are an extremely tiny  
little market. If we throw too much of a whining hissy fit, they  
may decide that it is better to not have any accessibility in the  
product at all. If every blind person with an iPhone were to  
purchase Navigan, it would just be a few thousand sales. If they  
refunded all of that, they would still make a healthy profit from  
all of their other sales, and they would not have to deal with our  
headaches; like the choice Tom Tom made.


I am in New Zealand. The last time I checked, the only GPS system  
available here was Tom Tom. As we are all aware, Tom Tom is  
completely inaccessible, and they have absolutely no plans to make  
it accessible. I am hoping Navigan ads New Zealand. I am perfectly  
willing to accept using bicycle route for the automatic  
announcements. I currently use Mobile Geo and a Windows Mobile  
pocket pc phone which will be dying soon. My solution talks almost  
too much, and is extremely expensive.


David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com


Scott Howell wrote:


I think they really need to hear from all of us. I am deeply  
disappointed in their attitude and maybe everyone who has  
purchased their software in the last 30 days should let them know  
they may consider requesting a return via the iTunes store. Maybe  
we are considered a small market, but they certainly seem to be a  
rather narrowed-minded company.
Seems MotionX is more interested in accessibility despite there is  
a reoccurring cost to use their product and perhaps that is  
something to consider.


On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:



Hello everyone,

Here is my message to Navigon and the response I received today.  
Not very encouraging!


Question:

This is a very useful app, but since the latest update, blind  
users like me have found that voice guidance has