subject:"Hello"

What a wonderful Tip, Donna.

I will definitely use this feature.  

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 7:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

And just one more thing.

Once you find a workout you like, you can add it to your library, and even 
download it to your device.  After you’ve added it to your library, all you 
have to do to access it is scroll to the bottom of the opening screen.  
There’ll be a heading that says Your Library, and all your workouts will show 
up there, so you can just go straight to the one you want.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jul 5, 2023, at 8:46 AM, Janet Ingber  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> Donna is correct. I use my iPhone and my Apple Watch. 
> 
> The audio description is a good feature, but sometimes they  are played after 
> the first round of exercises. I’ve found sometimes that I have to do the 
> workout twice to get all the descriptions. If you are using VoiceOver, you do 
> not have to do anything. The description will automatically play. The 
> descriptions are very brief.  You might want to turn VoiceOver’s volume up as 
> the descriptions can go over the trainer’s voice.
> 
> Best,
> Janet
> 
> 
> 
> Some 
>> On Jul 5, 2023, at 8:54 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Here’s what I do.
>> 
>> First, choose the kind of workout you want, HIT, strength, core, cycling, 
>> rowing, etc.  I use my iPad, and on the top of the screen you can select a 
>> workout category.  Alternatively, there are a bunch of workouts listed below 
>> that, so if you want you can just scroll through them.  Once you’ve selected 
>> a workout in your category, double tap to open it.  You can see lots of 
>> information, including the music selections included in that workout.  For 
>> me the music matters, because I’m not crazy about most of their music 
>> choices.  When you find one you like, tap Let’s Go.  Then do whatever setup 
>> you need. For example, at that point, I get on my rower, strap my feet in, 
>> and set the tension where I want it.  Once you’re done doing that, Press 
>> Play.  The Workout will start.  Unless you’ve chosen another playback 
>> destination, it will play on your hand-held device, but your watch will 
>> track along as well, keeping track of time, calories, heart rate, and all 
>> the usual stuff.  When the workout is over, just tap done.  I recommend that 
>> you try a few different trainers to find the one who’s style you like best.
>> 
>> The additional thing to bear in mind is that if you want to play it to a 
>> HomePod, as I do, you actually have to start the workout, go into Control 
>> Center, select your HomePod in Playback destination, then end, and restart 
>> your workout.  It’s a pain, I know.  It’s at the top of my list of desired 
>> improvements from Apple.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna 
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2023, at 12:39 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Janet,
>>> 
>>> I do not have any specific questions but just wanted to know how best to 
>>> start.  
>>> 
>>> For example, I tried it last year, or so, just before they added a 
>>> description feature to the accessibility set.  Do you know how this works?  
>>> 
>>> I guess what I am asking is should I start the fitness app on my phone and 
>>> let it attach to my watch or should I start on the watch?  I just don't 
>>> know.
>>> 
>>> Earlier, today, I launched the fitness app on my Apple TV and was asked who 
>>> is going to work out.  It listed my phone with my watch and it listed the 
>>> watch, by itself.  So confusing!!!  
>>> 
>>> Any tips you care to pass along will be greatly appreciated.  Perhaps you 
>>> could describe how you use the app?
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Janet Ingber
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 8:23 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> I can help you with Apple Fitness+. What are your questions? It works very 
>>> well with the Apple Watch. 
>>> Best,
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 7:04 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>

RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

Great advice, Janet, thank you.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Janet Ingber
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 6:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

Hi Mark,
Donna is correct. I use my iPhone and my Apple Watch. 

The audio description is a good feature, but sometimes they  are played after 
the first round of exercises. I’ve found sometimes that I have to do the 
workout twice to get all the descriptions. If you are using VoiceOver, you do 
not have to do anything. The description will automatically play. The 
descriptions are very brief.  You might want to turn VoiceOver’s volume up as 
the descriptions can go over the trainer’s voice.

Best,
Janet



Some 
> On Jul 5, 2023, at 8:54 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Here’s what I do.
> 
> First, choose the kind of workout you want, HIT, strength, core, cycling, 
> rowing, etc.  I use my iPad, and on the top of the screen you can select a 
> workout category.  Alternatively, there are a bunch of workouts listed below 
> that, so if you want you can just scroll through them.  Once you’ve selected 
> a workout in your category, double tap to open it.  You can see lots of 
> information, including the music selections included in that workout.  For me 
> the music matters, because I’m not crazy about most of their music choices.  
> When you find one you like, tap Let’s Go.  Then do whatever setup you need. 
> For example, at that point, I get on my rower, strap my feet in, and set the 
> tension where I want it.  Once you’re done doing that, Press Play.  The 
> Workout will start.  Unless you’ve chosen another playback destination, it 
> will play on your hand-held device, but your watch will track along as well, 
> keeping track of time, calories, heart rate, and all the usual stuff.  When 
> the workout is over, just tap done.  I recommend that you try a few different 
> trainers to find the one who’s style you like best.
> 
> The additional thing to bear in mind is that if you want to play it to a 
> HomePod, as I do, you actually have to start the workout, go into Control 
> Center, select your HomePod in Playback destination, then end, and restart 
> your workout.  It’s a pain, I know.  It’s at the top of my list of desired 
> improvements from Apple.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Cheers,
> Donna 
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2023, at 12:39 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Janet,
>> 
>> I do not have any specific questions but just wanted to know how best to 
>> start.  
>> 
>> For example, I tried it last year, or so, just before they added a 
>> description feature to the accessibility set.  Do you know how this works?  
>> 
>> I guess what I am asking is should I start the fitness app on my phone and 
>> let it attach to my watch or should I start on the watch?  I just don't know.
>> 
>> Earlier, today, I launched the fitness app on my Apple TV and was asked who 
>> is going to work out.  It listed my phone with my watch and it listed the 
>> watch, by itself.  So confusing!!!  
>> 
>> Any tips you care to pass along will be greatly appreciated.  Perhaps you 
>> could describe how you use the app?
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Janet Ingber
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 8:23 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> I can help you with Apple Fitness+. What are your questions? It works very 
>> well with the Apple Watch. 
>> Best,
>> Janet
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 7:04 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of 
>> questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.
>> 
>> Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.
>> 
>> 1.
>> So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant to it 
>> because I do not need all of the features included in the plan but, quite 
>> frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to admit that being 
>> able to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, in Apple Music, is very, 
>> very nice.  Here is a question:  Is it possible to place VoiceOver focus 
>> such that as the lyric being sung is automatically read out by VO?
>> 
>> 2.
>> With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to g

RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

Hello Violet,

So glad you got the 14.  It is the best phone I've ever used.

Have a great rest of the week.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Violet Gill
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 6:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

 Hey everyone!! :) so your girl went and got the iPhone 14 Promax 256 GB.  a 
few weeks back,  and it’s working great!!! Also, this July will be one year 
since I got my M1 Mac Mini. I’m really loving it so much. In other news, I’m 
also gonna get the AirPods third generation for my birthday so that will be 
awesome. I’m looking forward to them. So, thats all my apple updates.
Have an awesome and positive day. :) 

 Violet. 
She/her.

> On Jul 4, 2023, at 23:30, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Yolanda,
> 
> Wow!  Thank you for letting us know about that.  So very interesting.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Yolanda Thompson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 7:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates 
> from Mark
> 
> I love Apple News. Please be aware, however, that on the weekends when you 
> hit the audio section, swiping through breaks. The only way I have found 
> around it is to touch at the right hand bottom of the screen and flick left. 
> It is annoying.
> 
>> On 7/4/23, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> How accessible is subscription version of Apple News?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 6:04 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple 
>> of questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.
>> 
>> Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.
>> 
>> 1.
>> So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant 
>> to it because I do not need all of the features included in the plan 
>> but, quite frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to 
>> admit that being able to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, 
>> in Apple Music, is very, very nice.  Here is a question:  Is it 
>> possible to place VoiceOver focus such that as the lyric being sung is 
>> automatically read out by VO?
>> 
>> 2.
>> With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to 
>> get started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch?
>> 
>> 3.
>> Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay.  
>> I must say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the 
>> non-default card, at time of purchase, is so easy.  I had been 
>> reluctant to add a second card, for just that reason.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Since I now have access to TV Plus, I guess I will give some of 
>> these, apparently, excellent new series a try. I am looking forward 
>> to watching Highjacked and Silo.
>> 
>> 5.
>> I was just thinking that all of my interaction with the world, in 
>> terms of technology, is done via Apple products; accept for my two 
>> remaining hardworking and beloved PCs; one that is still running 
>> Windows 7  The Windows 7 PC is not connected to the internet.
>> 
>> 6.
>> Now don't get me wrong, I love my Android devices but I cannot 
>> imagine using them as a primary means of navigating my life.
>> 
>> 7.
>> Although a day late and a dollar short, with regard to the thread 
>> that asked about good WIFI routers, I prefer Linksys routers and 
>> range extenders.  In fact, I purchased 2 new range extenders for my 
>> home, just last week.  I was delighted to discover that when you 
>> connect to these devices, for the first time, on an iOS device, the 
>> device's built-in web interface automatically launches, prompting you 
>> for the required info.  Very, very, impressive.  In fact, now that I 
>> think about it, these new devices can tell you when they are in the 
>> best location, relative to other Linksys devices, on the same 
>> network.  How wonderful technology can be; and the best part? We have only 
>> scratched the surface on all that is to come.
>> 
>> Finally, I hope you are all doing well and I do hope you will reply 
>> to this thread reporting your own personal Apple-related updates, also.
>> 
>>

RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

Hello Donna.

This is perfect.  Thank you so much.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 5:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

Hi Mark,

Here’s what I do.

First, choose the kind of workout you want, HIT, strength, core, cycling, 
rowing, etc.  I use my iPad, and on the top of the screen you can select a 
workout category.  Alternatively, there are a bunch of workouts listed below 
that, so if you want you can just scroll through them.  Once you’ve selected a 
workout in your category, double tap to open it.  You can see lots of 
information, including the music selections included in that workout.  For me 
the music matters, because I’m not crazy about most of their music choices.  
When you find one you like, tap Let’s Go.  Then do whatever setup you need. For 
example, at that point, I get on my rower, strap my feet in, and set the 
tension where I want it.  Once you’re done doing that, Press Play.  The Workout 
will start.  Unless you’ve chosen another playback destination, it will play on 
your hand-held device, but your watch will track along as well, keeping track 
of time, calories, heart rate, and all the usual stuff.  When the workout is 
over, just tap done.  I recommend that you try a few different trainers to find 
the one who’s style you like best.

The additional thing to bear in mind is that if you want to play it to a 
HomePod, as I do, you actually have to start the workout, go into Control 
Center, select your HomePod in Playback destination, then end, and restart your 
workout.  It’s a pain, I know.  It’s at the top of my list of desired 
improvements from Apple.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Donna 

> On Jul 5, 2023, at 12:39 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Janet,
> 
> I do not have any specific questions but just wanted to know how best to 
> start.  
> 
> For example, I tried it last year, or so, just before they added a 
> description feature to the accessibility set.  Do you know how this works?  
> 
> I guess what I am asking is should I start the fitness app on my phone and 
> let it attach to my watch or should I start on the watch?  I just don't know.
> 
> Earlier, today, I launched the fitness app on my Apple TV and was asked who 
> is going to work out.  It listed my phone with my watch and it listed the 
> watch, by itself.  So confusing!!!  
> 
> Any tips you care to pass along will be greatly appreciated.  Perhaps you 
> could describe how you use the app?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Janet Ingber
> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 8:23 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark
> 
> Hi Mark,
> I can help you with Apple Fitness+. What are your questions? It works very 
> well with the Apple Watch. 
> Best,
> Janet
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 4, 2023, at 7:04 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of 
> questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.
> 
> Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.
> 
> 1.
> So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant to it 
> because I do not need all of the features included in the plan but, quite 
> frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to admit that being able 
> to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, in Apple Music, is very, very 
> nice.  Here is a question:  Is it possible to place VoiceOver focus such that 
> as the lyric being sung is automatically read out by VO?
> 
> 2.
> With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to get 
> started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch?
> 
> 3.
> Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay.  I 
> must say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the non-default card, at 
> time of purchase, is so easy.  I had been reluctant to add a second card, for 
> just that reason.
> 
> 4.
> Since I now have access to TV Plus, I guess I will give some of these, 
> apparently, excellent new series a try. I am looking forward to watching 
> Highjacked and Silo.
> 
> 5.
> I was just thinking that all of my interaction with the world, in terms of 
> technology, is done via Apple products; accept for my two remaining 
> hardworking and beloved PCs; one that is still running Windows 7  The Windows 
> 7 PC is not connected to the internet.
> 
> 6.
> Now don't get me wrong, I love my Android devices but I cannot imagine using 
> them as a primary means of navigati

Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

2023-07-05 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

And just one more thing.

Once you find a workout you like, you can add it to your library, and even 
download it to your device.  After you’ve added it to your library, all you 
have to do to access it is scroll to the bottom of the opening screen.  
There’ll be a heading that says Your Library, and all your workouts will show 
up there, so you can just go straight to the one you want.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jul 5, 2023, at 8:46 AM, Janet Ingber  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> Donna is correct. I use my iPhone and my Apple Watch. 
> 
> The audio description is a good feature, but sometimes they  are played after 
> the first round of exercises. I’ve found sometimes that I have to do the 
> workout twice to get all the descriptions. If you are using VoiceOver, you do 
> not have to do anything. The description will automatically play. The 
> descriptions are very brief.  You might want to turn VoiceOver’s volume up as 
> the descriptions can go over the trainer’s voice.
> 
> Best,
> Janet
> 
> 
> 
> Some 
>> On Jul 5, 2023, at 8:54 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Here’s what I do.
>> 
>> First, choose the kind of workout you want, HIT, strength, core, cycling, 
>> rowing, etc.  I use my iPad, and on the top of the screen you can select a 
>> workout category.  Alternatively, there are a bunch of workouts listed below 
>> that, so if you want you can just scroll through them.  Once you’ve selected 
>> a workout in your category, double tap to open it.  You can see lots of 
>> information, including the music selections included in that workout.  For 
>> me the music matters, because I’m not crazy about most of their music 
>> choices.  When you find one you like, tap Let’s Go.  Then do whatever setup 
>> you need. For example, at that point, I get on my rower, strap my feet in, 
>> and set the tension where I want it.  Once you’re done doing that, Press 
>> Play.  The Workout will start.  Unless you’ve chosen another playback 
>> destination, it will play on your hand-held device, but your watch will 
>> track along as well, keeping track of time, calories, heart rate, and all 
>> the usual stuff.  When the workout is over, just tap done.  I recommend that 
>> you try a few different trainers to find the one who’s style you like best.
>> 
>> The additional thing to bear in mind is that if you want to play it to a 
>> HomePod, as I do, you actually have to start the workout, go into Control 
>> Center, select your HomePod in Playback destination, then end, and restart 
>> your workout.  It’s a pain, I know.  It’s at the top of my list of desired 
>> improvements from Apple.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna 
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2023, at 12:39 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Janet,
>>> 
>>> I do not have any specific questions but just wanted to know how best to 
>>> start.  
>>> 
>>> For example, I tried it last year, or so, just before they added a 
>>> description feature to the accessibility set.  Do you know how this works?  
>>> 
>>> I guess what I am asking is should I start the fitness app on my phone and 
>>> let it attach to my watch or should I start on the watch?  I just don't 
>>> know.
>>> 
>>> Earlier, today, I launched the fitness app on my Apple TV and was asked who 
>>> is going to work out.  It listed my phone with my watch and it listed the 
>>> watch, by itself.  So confusing!!!  
>>> 
>>> Any tips you care to pass along will be greatly appreciated.  Perhaps you 
>>> could describe how you use the app?
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Janet Ingber
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 8:23 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> I can help you with Apple Fitness+. What are your questions? It works very 
>>> well with the Apple Watch. 
>>> Best,
>>> Janet
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 7:04 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of 
>>> questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.
>>> 
>>> Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.
>>>

Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

2023-07-05 Thread Janet Ingber

Hi Mark,
Donna is correct. I use my iPhone and my Apple Watch. 

The audio description is a good feature, but sometimes they  are played after 
the first round of exercises. I’ve found sometimes that I have to do the 
workout twice to get all the descriptions. If you are using VoiceOver, you do 
not have to do anything. The description will automatically play. The 
descriptions are very brief.  You might want to turn VoiceOver’s volume up as 
the descriptions can go over the trainer’s voice.

Best,
Janet



Some 
> On Jul 5, 2023, at 8:54 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Here’s what I do.
> 
> First, choose the kind of workout you want, HIT, strength, core, cycling, 
> rowing, etc.  I use my iPad, and on the top of the screen you can select a 
> workout category.  Alternatively, there are a bunch of workouts listed below 
> that, so if you want you can just scroll through them.  Once you’ve selected 
> a workout in your category, double tap to open it.  You can see lots of 
> information, including the music selections included in that workout.  For me 
> the music matters, because I’m not crazy about most of their music choices.  
> When you find one you like, tap Let’s Go.  Then do whatever setup you need. 
> For example, at that point, I get on my rower, strap my feet in, and set the 
> tension where I want it.  Once you’re done doing that, Press Play.  The 
> Workout will start.  Unless you’ve chosen another playback destination, it 
> will play on your hand-held device, but your watch will track along as well, 
> keeping track of time, calories, heart rate, and all the usual stuff.  When 
> the workout is over, just tap done.  I recommend that you try a few different 
> trainers to find the one who’s style you like best.
> 
> The additional thing to bear in mind is that if you want to play it to a 
> HomePod, as I do, you actually have to start the workout, go into Control 
> Center, select your HomePod in Playback destination, then end, and restart 
> your workout.  It’s a pain, I know.  It’s at the top of my list of desired 
> improvements from Apple.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Cheers,
> Donna 
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2023, at 12:39 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Janet,
>> 
>> I do not have any specific questions but just wanted to know how best to 
>> start.  
>> 
>> For example, I tried it last year, or so, just before they added a 
>> description feature to the accessibility set.  Do you know how this works?  
>> 
>> I guess what I am asking is should I start the fitness app on my phone and 
>> let it attach to my watch or should I start on the watch?  I just don't know.
>> 
>> Earlier, today, I launched the fitness app on my Apple TV and was asked who 
>> is going to work out.  It listed my phone with my watch and it listed the 
>> watch, by itself.  So confusing!!!  
>> 
>> Any tips you care to pass along will be greatly appreciated.  Perhaps you 
>> could describe how you use the app?
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Janet Ingber
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 8:23 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> I can help you with Apple Fitness+. What are your questions? It works very 
>> well with the Apple Watch. 
>> Best,
>> Janet
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 7:04 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of 
>> questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.
>> 
>> Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.
>> 
>> 1.
>> So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant to it 
>> because I do not need all of the features included in the plan but, quite 
>> frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to admit that being 
>> able to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, in Apple Music, is very, 
>> very nice.  Here is a question:  Is it possible to place VoiceOver focus 
>> such that as the lyric being sung is automatically read out by VO?
>> 
>> 2.
>> With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to get 
>> started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch?
>> 
>> 3.
>> Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay.  I 
>> must say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the non-default card, 
>> at time

Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

2023-07-05 Thread Violet Gill

 Hey everyone!! :) so your girl went and got the iPhone 14 Promax 256 GB.  a 
few weeks back,  and it’s working great!!! Also, this July will be one year 
since I got my M1 Mac Mini. I’m really loving it so much. In other news, I’m 
also gonna get the AirPods third generation for my birthday so that will be 
awesome. I’m looking forward to them. So, thats all my apple updates.
Have an awesome and positive day. :) 

 Violet. 
She/her.

> On Jul 4, 2023, at 23:30, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Yolanda,
> 
> Wow!  Thank you for letting us know about that.  So very interesting.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Yolanda Thompson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 7:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark
> 
> I love Apple News. Please be aware, however, that on the weekends when you 
> hit the audio section, swiping through breaks. The only way I have found 
> around it is to touch at the right hand bottom of the screen and flick left. 
> It is annoying.
> 
>> On 7/4/23, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> How accessible is subscription version of Apple News?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 6:04 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of 
>> questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.
>> 
>> Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.
>> 
>> 1.
>> So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant 
>> to it because I do not need all of the features included in the plan 
>> but, quite frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to 
>> admit that being able to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, in 
>> Apple Music, is very, very nice.  Here is a question:  Is it possible 
>> to place VoiceOver focus such that as the lyric being sung is automatically 
>> read out by VO?
>> 
>> 2.
>> With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to 
>> get started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch?
>> 
>> 3.
>> Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay.  
>> I must say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the non-default 
>> card, at time of purchase, is so easy.  I had been reluctant to add a 
>> second card, for just that reason.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Since I now have access to TV Plus, I guess I will give some of these, 
>> apparently, excellent new series a try. I am looking forward to 
>> watching Highjacked and Silo.
>> 
>> 5.
>> I was just thinking that all of my interaction with the world, in 
>> terms of technology, is done via Apple products; accept for my two 
>> remaining hardworking and beloved PCs; one that is still running 
>> Windows 7  The Windows 7 PC is not connected to the internet.
>> 
>> 6.
>> Now don't get me wrong, I love my Android devices but I cannot imagine 
>> using them as a primary means of navigating my life.
>> 
>> 7.
>> Although a day late and a dollar short, with regard to the thread that 
>> asked about good WIFI routers, I prefer Linksys routers and range 
>> extenders.  In fact, I purchased 2 new range extenders for my home, 
>> just last week.  I was delighted to discover that when you connect to 
>> these devices, for the first time, on an iOS device, the device's 
>> built-in web interface automatically launches, prompting you for the 
>> required info.  Very, very, impressive.  In fact, now that I think 
>> about it, these new devices can tell you when they are in the best 
>> location, relative to other Linksys devices, on the same network.  How 
>> wonderful technology can be; and the best part? We have only scratched the 
>> surface on all that is to come.
>> 
>> Finally, I hope you are all doing well and I do hope you will reply to 
>> this thread reporting your own personal Apple-related updates, also.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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>> Visionaries list.
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Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

2023-07-05 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Hi Mark,

Here’s what I do.

First, choose the kind of workout you want, HIT, strength, core, cycling, 
rowing, etc.  I use my iPad, and on the top of the screen you can select a 
workout category.  Alternatively, there are a bunch of workouts listed below 
that, so if you want you can just scroll through them.  Once you’ve selected a 
workout in your category, double tap to open it.  You can see lots of 
information, including the music selections included in that workout.  For me 
the music matters, because I’m not crazy about most of their music choices.  
When you find one you like, tap Let’s Go.  Then do whatever setup you need. For 
example, at that point, I get on my rower, strap my feet in, and set the 
tension where I want it.  Once you’re done doing that, Press Play.  The Workout 
will start.  Unless you’ve chosen another playback destination, it will play on 
your hand-held device, but your watch will track along as well, keeping track 
of time, calories, heart rate, and all the usual stuff.  When the workout is 
over, just tap done.  I recommend that you try a few different trainers to find 
the one who’s style you like best.

The additional thing to bear in mind is that if you want to play it to a 
HomePod, as I do, you actually have to start the workout, go into Control 
Center, select your HomePod in Playback destination, then end, and restart your 
workout.  It’s a pain, I know.  It’s at the top of my list of desired 
improvements from Apple.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Donna 

> On Jul 5, 2023, at 12:39 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Janet,
> 
> I do not have any specific questions but just wanted to know how best to 
> start.  
> 
> For example, I tried it last year, or so, just before they added a 
> description feature to the accessibility set.  Do you know how this works?  
> 
> I guess what I am asking is should I start the fitness app on my phone and 
> let it attach to my watch or should I start on the watch?  I just don't know.
> 
> Earlier, today, I launched the fitness app on my Apple TV and was asked who 
> is going to work out.  It listed my phone with my watch and it listed the 
> watch, by itself.  So confusing!!!  
> 
> Any tips you care to pass along will be greatly appreciated.  Perhaps you 
> could describe how you use the app?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Janet Ingber
> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 8:23 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark
> 
> Hi Mark,
> I can help you with Apple Fitness+. What are your questions? It works very 
> well with the Apple Watch. 
> Best,
> Janet
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 4, 2023, at 7:04 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of 
> questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.
> 
> Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.
> 
> 1.
> So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant to it 
> because I do not need all of the features included in the plan but, quite 
> frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to admit that being able 
> to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, in Apple Music, is very, very 
> nice.  Here is a question:  Is it possible to place VoiceOver focus such that 
> as the lyric being sung is automatically read out by VO?
> 
> 2.
> With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to get 
> started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch?
> 
> 3.
> Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay.  I 
> must say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the non-default card, at 
> time of purchase, is so easy.  I had been reluctant to add a second card, for 
> just that reason.
> 
> 4.
> Since I now have access to TV Plus, I guess I will give some of these, 
> apparently, excellent new series a try. I am looking forward to watching 
> Highjacked and Silo.
> 
> 5.
> I was just thinking that all of my interaction with the world, in terms of 
> technology, is done via Apple products; accept for my two remaining 
> hardworking and beloved PCs; one that is still running Windows 7  The Windows 
> 7 PC is not connected to the internet.
> 
> 6.
> Now don't get me wrong, I love my Android devices but I cannot imagine using 
> them as a primary means of navigating my life.
> 
> 7.
> Although a day late and a dollar short, with regard to the thread that asked 
> about good WIFI routers, I prefer Linksys routers and range extenders.  In 
> fact, I purchased 2 new range extenders for my home, just last week.  I was 
> de

RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

Hello Janet,

I do not have any specific questions but just wanted to know how best to start. 
 

For example, I tried it last year, or so, just before they added a description 
feature to the accessibility set.  Do you know how this works?  

I guess what I am asking is should I start the fitness app on my phone and let 
it attach to my watch or should I start on the watch?  I just don't know.

Earlier, today, I launched the fitness app on my Apple TV and was asked who is 
going to work out.  It listed my phone with my watch and it listed the watch, 
by itself.  So confusing!!!  

Any tips you care to pass along will be greatly appreciated.  Perhaps you could 
describe how you use the app?

Mark


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Janet Ingber
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 8:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

Hi Mark,
I can help you with Apple Fitness+. What are your questions? It works very well 
with the Apple Watch. 
Best,
Janet

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2023, at 7:04 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of 
questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.

Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.

1.
So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant to it 
because I do not need all of the features included in the plan but, quite 
frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to admit that being able 
to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, in Apple Music, is very, very 
nice.  Here is a question:  Is it possible to place VoiceOver focus such that 
as the lyric being sung is automatically read out by VO?

2.
With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to get 
started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch?

3.
Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay.  I must 
say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the non-default card, at time 
of purchase, is so easy.  I had been reluctant to add a second card, for just 
that reason.

4.
Since I now have access to TV Plus, I guess I will give some of these, 
apparently, excellent new series a try. I am looking forward to watching 
Highjacked and Silo.

5.
I was just thinking that all of my interaction with the world, in terms of 
technology, is done via Apple products; accept for my two remaining hardworking 
and beloved PCs; one that is still running Windows 7  The Windows 7 PC is not 
connected to the internet.

6.
Now don't get me wrong, I love my Android devices but I cannot imagine using 
them as a primary means of navigating my life.

7.
Although a day late and a dollar short, with regard to the thread that asked 
about good WIFI routers, I prefer Linksys routers and range extenders.  In 
fact, I purchased 2 new range extenders for my home, just last week.  I was 
delighted to discover that when you connect to these devices, for the first 
time, on an iOS device, the device's built-in web interface automatically 
launches, prompting you for the required info.  Very, very, impressive.  In 
fact, now that I think about it, these new devices can tell you when they are 
in the best location, relative to other Linksys devices, on the same network.  
How wonderful technology can be; and the best part? We have only scratched the 
surface on all that is to come.

Finally, I hope you are all doing well and I do hope you will reply to this 
thread reporting your own personal Apple-related updates, also.

Mark


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RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

Hello Yolanda,

Wow!  Thank you for letting us know about that.  So very interesting.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Yolanda Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 7:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

I love Apple News. Please be aware, however, that on the weekends when you hit 
the audio section, swiping through breaks. The only way I have found around it 
is to touch at the right hand bottom of the screen and flick left. It is 
annoying.

On 7/4/23, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  wrote:
> How accessible is subscription version of Apple News?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 6:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from 
> Mark
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of 
> questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.
>
> Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.
>
> 1.
> So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant 
> to it because I do not need all of the features included in the plan 
> but, quite frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to 
> admit that being able to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, in 
> Apple Music, is very, very nice.  Here is a question:  Is it possible 
> to place VoiceOver focus such that as the lyric being sung is automatically 
> read out by VO?
>
> 2.
> With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to 
> get started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch?
>
> 3.
> Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay.  
> I must say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the non-default 
> card, at time of purchase, is so easy.  I had been reluctant to add a 
> second card, for just that reason.
>
> 4.
> Since I now have access to TV Plus, I guess I will give some of these, 
> apparently, excellent new series a try. I am looking forward to 
> watching Highjacked and Silo.
>
> 5.
> I was just thinking that all of my interaction with the world, in 
> terms of technology, is done via Apple products; accept for my two 
> remaining hardworking and beloved PCs; one that is still running 
> Windows 7  The Windows 7 PC is not connected to the internet.
>
> 6.
> Now don't get me wrong, I love my Android devices but I cannot imagine 
> using them as a primary means of navigating my life.
>
> 7.
> Although a day late and a dollar short, with regard to the thread that 
> asked about good WIFI routers, I prefer Linksys routers and range 
> extenders.  In fact, I purchased 2 new range extenders for my home, 
> just last week.  I was delighted to discover that when you connect to 
> these devices, for the first time, on an iOS device, the device's 
> built-in web interface automatically launches, prompting you for the 
> required info.  Very, very, impressive.  In fact, now that I think 
> about it, these new devices can tell you when they are in the best 
> location, relative to other Linksys devices, on the same network.  How 
> wonderful technology can be; and the best part? We have only scratched the 
> surface on all that is to come.
>
> Finally, I hope you are all doing well and I do hope you will reply to 
> this thread reporting your own personal Apple-related updates, also.
>
> Mark
>
>
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Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

2023-07-04 Thread Janet Ingber

Hi Mark,
I can help you with Apple Fitness+. What are your questions? It works very well 
with the Apple Watch. 
Best,
Janet

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2023, at 7:04 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of
questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.

Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.

1.
So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant to it
because I do not need all of the features included in the plan but, quite
frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to admit that being
able to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, in Apple Music, is very,
very nice.  Here is a question:  Is it possible to place VoiceOver focus
such that as the lyric being sung is automatically read out by VO?

2.
With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to get
started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch?

3.
Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay.  I
must say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the non-default card,
at time of purchase, is so easy.  I had been reluctant to add a second card,
for just that reason.

4.
Since I now have access to TV Plus, I guess I will give some of these,
apparently, excellent new series a try. I am looking forward to watching
Highjacked and Silo.

5.
I was just thinking that all of my interaction with the world, in terms of
technology, is done via Apple products; accept for my two remaining
hardworking and beloved PCs; one that is still running Windows 7  The
Windows 7 PC is not connected to the internet.

6.
Now don't get me wrong, I love my Android devices but I cannot imagine using
them as a primary means of navigating my life.

7.
Although a day late and a dollar short, with regard to the thread that asked
about good WIFI routers, I prefer Linksys routers and range extenders.  In
fact, I purchased 2 new range extenders for my home, just last week.  I was
delighted to discover that when you connect to these devices, for the first
time, on an iOS device, the device's built-in web interface automatically
launches, prompting you for the required info.  Very, very, impressive.  In
fact, now that I think about it, these new devices can tell you when they
are in the best location, relative to other Linksys devices, on the same
network.  How wonderful technology can be; and the best part? We have only
scratched the surface on all that is to come.

Finally, I hope you are all doing well and I do hope you will reply to this
thread reporting your own personal Apple-related updates, also.

Mark


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RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

Hello sarai ,

The subscription feature of the news app is as accessible as any other aspect 
of the app.  No difference that I can discern.

Mark

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 4:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

How accessible is subscription version of Apple News?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 6:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

Hello Everyone,

First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of 
questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.

Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.

1.
So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant to it 
because I do not need all of the features included in the plan but, quite 
frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to admit that being able 
to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, in Apple Music, is very, very 
nice.  Here is a question:  Is it possible to place VoiceOver focus such that 
as the lyric being sung is automatically read out by VO?

2.
With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to get 
started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch?

3.
Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay.  I must 
say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the non-default card, at time 
of purchase, is so easy.  I had been reluctant to add a second card, for just 
that reason.

4.
Since I now have access to TV Plus, I guess I will give some of these, 
apparently, excellent new series a try. I am looking forward to watching 
Highjacked and Silo.

5.
I was just thinking that all of my interaction with the world, in terms of 
technology, is done via Apple products; accept for my two remaining hardworking 
and beloved PCs; one that is still running Windows 7  The Windows 7 PC is not 
connected to the internet.

6.
Now don't get me wrong, I love my Android devices but I cannot imagine using 
them as a primary means of navigating my life.

7.
Although a day late and a dollar short, with regard to the thread that asked 
about good WIFI routers, I prefer Linksys routers and range extenders.  In 
fact, I purchased 2 new range extenders for my home, just last week.  I was 
delighted to discover that when you connect to these devices, for the first 
time, on an iOS device, the device's built-in web interface automatically 
launches, prompting you for the required info.  Very, very, impressive.  In 
fact, now that I think about it, these new devices can tell you when they are 
in the best location, relative to other Linksys devices, on the same network.  
How wonderful technology can be; and the best part? We have only scratched the 
surface on all that is to come.

Finally, I hope you are all doing well and I do hope you will reply to this 
thread reporting your own personal Apple-related updates, also.

Mark


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Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

2023-07-04 Thread Yolanda Thompson

I love Apple News. Please be aware, however, that on the weekends when
you hit the audio section, swiping through breaks. The only way I have
found around it is to touch at the right hand bottom of the screen and
flick left. It is annoying.

On 7/4/23, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  wrote:
> How accessible is subscription version of Apple News?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 6:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of
> questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.
>
> Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.
>
> 1.
> So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant to it
> because I do not need all of the features included in the plan but, quite
> frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to admit that being
> able to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, in Apple Music, is very,
> very nice.  Here is a question:  Is it possible to place VoiceOver focus
> such that as the lyric being sung is automatically read out by VO?
>
> 2.
> With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to get
> started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch?
>
> 3.
> Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay.  I
> must say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the non-default card,
> at time of purchase, is so easy.  I had been reluctant to add a second card,
> for just that reason.
>
> 4.
> Since I now have access to TV Plus, I guess I will give some of these,
> apparently, excellent new series a try. I am looking forward to watching
> Highjacked and Silo.
>
> 5.
> I was just thinking that all of my interaction with the world, in terms of
> technology, is done via Apple products; accept for my two remaining
> hardworking and beloved PCs; one that is still running Windows 7  The
> Windows 7 PC is not connected to the internet.
>
> 6.
> Now don't get me wrong, I love my Android devices but I cannot imagine using
> them as a primary means of navigating my life.
>
> 7.
> Although a day late and a dollar short, with regard to the thread that asked
> about good WIFI routers, I prefer Linksys routers and range extenders.  In
> fact, I purchased 2 new range extenders for my home, just last week.  I was
> delighted to discover that when you connect to these devices, for the first
> time, on an iOS device, the device's built-in web interface automatically
> launches, prompting you for the required info.  Very, very, impressive.  In
> fact, now that I think about it, these new devices can tell you when they
> are in the best location, relative to other Linksys devices, on the same
> network.  How wonderful technology can be; and the best part? We have only
> scratched the surface on all that is to come.
>
> Finally, I hope you are all doing well and I do hope you will reply to this
> thread reporting your own personal Apple-related updates, also.
>
> Mark
>
>
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RE: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

2023-07-04 Thread sarai.bucciarelli

How accessible is subscription version of Apple News?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 6:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

Hello Everyone,

First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of 
questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.

Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.

1.
So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant to it 
because I do not need all of the features included in the plan but, quite 
frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to admit that being able 
to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, in Apple Music, is very, very 
nice.  Here is a question:  Is it possible to place VoiceOver focus such that 
as the lyric being sung is automatically read out by VO?

2.
With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to get 
started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch?

3.
Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay.  I must 
say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the non-default card, at time 
of purchase, is so easy.  I had been reluctant to add a second card, for just 
that reason.

4.
Since I now have access to TV Plus, I guess I will give some of these, 
apparently, excellent new series a try. I am looking forward to watching 
Highjacked and Silo.

5.
I was just thinking that all of my interaction with the world, in terms of 
technology, is done via Apple products; accept for my two remaining hardworking 
and beloved PCs; one that is still running Windows 7  The Windows 7 PC is not 
connected to the internet.

6.
Now don't get me wrong, I love my Android devices but I cannot imagine using 
them as a primary means of navigating my life.

7.
Although a day late and a dollar short, with regard to the thread that asked 
about good WIFI routers, I prefer Linksys routers and range extenders.  In 
fact, I purchased 2 new range extenders for my home, just last week.  I was 
delighted to discover that when you connect to these devices, for the first 
time, on an iOS device, the device's built-in web interface automatically 
launches, prompting you for the required info.  Very, very, impressive.  In 
fact, now that I think about it, these new devices can tell you when they are 
in the best location, relative to other Linksys devices, on the same network.  
How wonderful technology can be; and the best part? We have only scratched the 
surface on all that is to come.

Finally, I hope you are all doing well and I do hope you will reply to this 
thread reporting your own personal Apple-related updates, also.

Mark

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A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

Hello Everyone,

First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of
questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.

Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.

1.
So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant to it
because I do not need all of the features included in the plan but, quite
frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to admit that being
able to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, in Apple Music, is very,
very nice.  Here is a question:  Is it possible to place VoiceOver focus
such that as the lyric being sung is automatically read out by VO?

2.
With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to get
started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch?

3.
Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay.  I
must say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the non-default card,
at time of purchase, is so easy.  I had been reluctant to add a second card,
for just that reason.

4.
Since I now have access to TV Plus, I guess I will give some of these,
apparently, excellent new series a try. I am looking forward to watching
Highjacked and Silo.

5.
I was just thinking that all of my interaction with the world, in terms of
technology, is done via Apple products; accept for my two remaining
hardworking and beloved PCs; one that is still running Windows 7  The
Windows 7 PC is not connected to the internet.

6.
Now don't get me wrong, I love my Android devices but I cannot imagine using
them as a primary means of navigating my life.

7.
Although a day late and a dollar short, with regard to the thread that asked
about good WIFI routers, I prefer Linksys routers and range extenders.  In
fact, I purchased 2 new range extenders for my home, just last week.  I was
delighted to discover that when you connect to these devices, for the first
time, on an iOS device, the device's built-in web interface automatically
launches, prompting you for the required info.  Very, very, impressive.  In
fact, now that I think about it, these new devices can tell you when they
are in the best location, relative to other Linksys devices, on the same
network.  How wonderful technology can be; and the best part? We have only
scratched the surface on all that is to come.

Finally, I hope you are all doing well and I do hope you will reply to this
thread reporting your own personal Apple-related updates, also.

Mark


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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

2023-06-01 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
Well, first of all I hope you are well.
I am not sure if I really care much about the event.
They just talk about this ar/vr headset.
Which don’t bother me as long as it doesn’t work with accessibility features.
But I wish that they extend the braille support on the Mac, and also fix issues 
in braille on the iOS systems.
Sadly I  have to buy a new phone and will probably by an upcoming model 15.
The problem with that is that its gonna be really expensive.
But I hear they will announce a couple of new mac’s.
That sounds interesting.
Bless.
/A

> 31 maj 2023 kl. 16:58 skrev M. Taylor :
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
> wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with their Apple
> devices.
> 
> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
> 
> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
> the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.
> 
> 
> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
> see introduced next week?
> 
> I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.
> 
> Moderator Mark
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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

2023-06-01 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Hi Mark,

I was surprised, too.  But I wrote to accessibility and they confirmed it, so I 
know it’s not just user error on my part.   
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 31, 2023, at 9:45 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna.  I agree with you and, yes, one should be able to play a workout to 
> an audio-only device.
> 
> I am so surprised that this is not the case.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 9:32 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark
> 
> The features Tracy mentioned would be nice, but ET also makes a good point. 
> So, my wishlist would be:
> Fix focus issues in IOS.  I find it very slippy.
> Fix Voices in IOS. For me, they keep cutting in and out.
> Add feature in Fitness that allows workouts to be played to an audio only 
> device such as a HomePod.  Currently Fitness requires you to select a video 
> output source, so the only way to play a workout to a HomePod is to do it 
> through the Control Center, which is kind of a pain.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On May 31, 2023, at 11:22 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>>  Rather than adding more features, I would much prefer the various OSs be 
>> made more stable. Ventura and iOS need to be more polished. Especially 
>> Voiceover voices.
>> 
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent 
>> revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 5/31/2023 7:58 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so 
>>> just wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with 
>>> their Apple devices.
>>> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
>>> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the 
>>> OS is the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into 
>>> folders.
>>> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would 
>>> like to see introduced next week?
>>> I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.
>>> Moderator Mark
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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

2023-06-01 Thread bbsshawn via MacVisionaries

Hey Mark. Neural TTS was introduced back in iOS 13 and it's only available for 
the Siri voice. It was pretty cool when Apple showed it off. At WWDC they did a 
comparison between the normal sounding Siri voice and the same Siri voice that 
was using Neural TTS. If you listen carefully, you'll notice that the second 
version of the voice sounds more human than the normal concatenated version. 
That's Neural Text To Speech. I was going to send a link to a video showing you 
what I mean but it looks like Youtube has taken those videos down.

Regards
Shawn
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> On May 31, 2023, at 10:07 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Great hearing your ideas, Shawn.
> 
> You do have me at a disadvantage, however.  I don't know what you mean when 
> you say Neural TTS engines.  I did not know they even existed, at least, not 
> as such.
> 
> What exactly is a Neural TTS?  Is that Alex?
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bbsshawn via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 2:26 PM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark
> 
> Hey Mark. Welcome back. Well for me I bought my M1 MacBook Air  at the 
> beginning of the month and I'm still in love with her. I named her Diva. I 
> named her after a certain girl I'm interested in. I don't have a lot of 
> features I'd like to see, just a few fixes I'd like to see across all 
> devices. First for the new macOS I'd like to see them bring back the ability 
> to use the Neural TTS versions of the Siri voices with Voiceover. Why they 
> took that feature away from us in Ventura is beyond me. That's why I 
> downgraded this thing back to Monterey because Neural TTS beats the regular 
> voices. They sound so real and I love it.
> For iOS 17 I'd like to see them bring back the Premium Zoe voice. I know when 
> iOS 16.0 was first in beta we had the voice but there were so many problems 
> with it that they took it away  and now all we have is the enhanced version 
> of that voice which doesn't really sound that great. I'm using the Tom voice 
> for that reason and don't get me wrong, he's ok, but Zoe Premium is better.
> I guess I kinda lied about not having any features I'd like to see added. In 
> iOS 17 I'd love to be able to use the Neural TTS Siri voices with Voiceover. 
> That's all though. Anyway, glad to see you're doing well Mark.
> 
> Regards
> Shawn
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>> On May 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Violet Gill  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I am enjoying my Mac mini M1 and my iPhone 14 promax. I think the 
>> best thing I will want to see for iOS 17 is it to be more stable iOS 16 was 
>> very very buggy in the earlier versions. Hopefully iOS 17 will be much 
>> better.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Violet. 
>> She/her.
>> 
>>> On May 31, 2023, at 12:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> Rather than adding more features, I would much prefer the various OSs be 
>>> made more stable. Ventura and iOS need to be more polished. Especially 
>>> Voiceover voices.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent 
>>> revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On 5/31/2023 7:58 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list 
>>>> so just wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing 
>>>> with their Apple devices.
>>>> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
>>>> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the 
>>>> OS is the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into 
>>>> folders.
>>>> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would 
>>>> like to see introduced next week?
>>>> I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.
>>>> Moderator Mark
>

RE: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

Great hearing your ideas, Shawn.

You do have me at a disadvantage, however.  I don't know what you mean when you 
say Neural TTS engines.  I did not know they even existed, at least, not as 
such.

What exactly is a Neural TTS?  Is that Alex?

Mark

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From: bbsshawn via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 2:26 PM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

Hey Mark. Welcome back. Well for me I bought my M1 MacBook Air  at the 
beginning of the month and I'm still in love with her. I named her Diva. I 
named her after a certain girl I'm interested in. I don't have a lot of 
features I'd like to see, just a few fixes I'd like to see across all devices. 
First for the new macOS I'd like to see them bring back the ability to use the 
Neural TTS versions of the Siri voices with Voiceover. Why they took that 
feature away from us in Ventura is beyond me. That's why I downgraded this 
thing back to Monterey because Neural TTS beats the regular voices. They sound 
so real and I love it.
For iOS 17 I'd like to see them bring back the Premium Zoe voice. I know when 
iOS 16.0 was first in beta we had the voice but there were so many problems 
with it that they took it away  and now all we have is the enhanced version of 
that voice which doesn't really sound that great. I'm using the Tom voice for 
that reason and don't get me wrong, he's ok, but Zoe Premium is better.
I guess I kinda lied about not having any features I'd like to see added. In 
iOS 17 I'd love to be able to use the Neural TTS Siri voices with Voiceover. 
That's all though. Anyway, glad to see you're doing well Mark.

Regards
Shawn
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> On May 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Violet Gill  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I am enjoying my Mac mini M1 and my iPhone 14 promax. I think the best 
> thing I will want to see for iOS 17 is it to be more stable iOS 16 was very 
> very buggy in the earlier versions. Hopefully iOS 17 will be much better.
> 
> 
> 
> Violet. 
> She/her.
> 
>> On May 31, 2023, at 12:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>>  Rather than adding more features, I would much prefer the various OSs be 
>> made more stable. Ventura and iOS need to be more polished. Especially 
>> Voiceover voices.
>> 
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent 
>> revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 5/31/2023 7:58 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list 
>>> so just wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing 
>>> with their Apple devices.
>>> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
>>> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the 
>>> OS is the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into 
>>> folders.
>>> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would 
>>> like to see introduced next week?
>>> I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.
>>> Moderator Mark
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RE: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

You know, Violet, whenever I install a newer version of the OS, what I hope 
for, most of all, is for VoiceOver functionality not to be reduced or broken.

Mark


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Violet Gill
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 9:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: M. Taylor 
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

Hello, I am enjoying my Mac mini M1 and my iPhone 14 promax. I think the best 
thing I will want to see for iOS 17 is it to be more stable iOS 16 was very 
very buggy in the earlier versions. Hopefully iOS 17 will be much better.

 

 Violet. 
She/her.

> On May 31, 2023, at 12:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
>   Rather than adding more features, I would much prefer the various OSs be 
> made more stable. Ventura and iOS need to be more polished. Especially 
> Voiceover voices.
> 
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent 
> revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 5/31/2023 7:58 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so 
>> just wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with 
>> their Apple devices.
>> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
>> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the 
>> OS is the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into 
>> folders.
>> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would 
>> like to see introduced next week?
>> I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.
>> Moderator Mark
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RE: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

Hi Donna.  I agree with you and, yes, one should be able to play a workout to 
an audio-only device.

I am so surprised that this is not the case.

Mark

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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The features Tracy mentioned would be nice, but ET also makes a good point. So, 
my wishlist would be:
Fix focus issues in IOS.  I find it very slippy.
Fix Voices in IOS. For me, they keep cutting in and out.
Add feature in Fitness that allows workouts to be played to an audio only 
device such as a HomePod.  Currently Fitness requires you to select a video 
output source, so the only way to play a workout to a HomePod is to do it 
through the Control Center, which is kind of a pain.
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 31, 2023, at 11:22 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
>   Rather than adding more features, I would much prefer the various OSs be 
> made more stable. Ventura and iOS need to be more polished. Especially 
> Voiceover voices.
> 
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent 
> revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 5/31/2023 7:58 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so 
>> just wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with 
>> their Apple devices.
>> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
>> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the 
>> OS is the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into 
>> folders.
>> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would 
>> like to see introduced next week?
>> I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.
>> Moderator Mark
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RE: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

Hi Suzanne,

I, too, am looking forward to WWDC but I hope they don't get too bogged down in 
the details.  I mean, I really don't care how many nano seconds they have saved 
off of 10 trillion simultaneous calculations.  (smile).

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Suzanne Erb
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 9:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

Hello,
I don’t have any real preference for new features, but I would like to see 
stability, particularly in terms of Braille and SiRI.
Looking forward to WWDC, as always.
Suzanne

> On May 31, 2023, at 12:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
>   Rather than adding more features, I would much prefer the various OSs be 
> made more stable. Ventura and iOS need to be more polished. Especially 
> Voiceover voices.
> 
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent 
> revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 5/31/2023 7:58 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so 
>> just wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with 
>> their Apple devices.
>> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
>> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the 
>> OS is the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into 
>> folders.
>> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would 
>> like to see introduced next week?
>> I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.
>> Moderator Mark
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RE: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

I completely agree with you, my friend.  You are absolutely right.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 9:23 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; M. Taylor 
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

Hi Mark,
Rather than adding more features, I would much prefer the various OSs be 
made more stable. Ventura and iOS need to be more polished. 
Especially Voiceover voices.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
  --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 5/31/2023 7:58 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
> wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with their Apple
> devices.
> 
> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
> 
> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
> the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.
> 
> 
> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
> see introduced next week?
> 
> I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.
> 
> Moderator Mark
> 
> 

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RE: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

You are quite right, Traci.

I am not a huge fan of the rotor.  I find it rather cumbersome.I am not a 
huge fan and yet I cannot come up with a better idea.  Sometimes, I wish I had 
an engineering mind.  (smile).

Mark

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Behalf Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

Hello, 2 little things I’ve thought would be useful:

A VoiceOver gesture, (say a 2-finger swipe right) in the messages window to 
send the composed message. Instead of locating the send button.

A VoiceOver gesture to spell the current word in focus. Often I’m on the web 
and want something spelled out. It takes many little steps to turn the rotor to 
word, flick to the one I want, then turn the rotor to character, flick letter 
by letter. A simple shortcut would be super useful.

Those are two little things off the top of my head. :)

Take care,
Traci

> On May 31, 2023, at 7:58 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so 
> just wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with 
> their Apple devices.
> 
> I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.
> 
> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the 
> OS is the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into 
> folders.
> 
> 
> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would 
> like to see introduced next week?
> 
> I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.
> 
> Moderator Mark
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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

2023-05-31 Thread bbsshawn via MacVisionaries

Hey Mark. Welcome back. Well for me I bought my M1 MacBook Air  at the 
beginning of the month and I'm still in love with her. I named her Diva. I 
named her after a certain girl I'm interested in. I don't have a lot of 
features I'd like to see, just a few fixes I'd like to see across all devices. 
First for the new macOS I'd like to see them bring back the ability to use the 
Neural TTS versions of the Siri voices with Voiceover. Why they took that 
feature away from us in Ventura is beyond me. That's why I downgraded this 
thing back to Monterey because Neural TTS beats the regular voices. They sound 
so real and I love it.
For iOS 17 I'd like to see them bring back the Premium Zoe voice. I know when 
iOS 16.0 was first in beta we had the voice but there were so many problems 
with it that they took it away  and now all we have is the enhanced version of 
that voice which doesn't really sound that great. I'm using the Tom voice for 
that reason and don't get me wrong, he's ok, but Zoe Premium is better.
I guess I kinda lied about not having any features I'd like to see added. In 
iOS 17 I'd love to be able to use the Neural TTS Siri voices with Voiceover. 
That's all though. Anyway, glad to see you're doing well Mark.

Regards
Shawn
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> On May 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Violet Gill  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I am enjoying my Mac mini M1 and my iPhone 14 promax. I think the best 
> thing I will want to see for iOS 17 is it to be more stable iOS 16 was very 
> very buggy in the earlier versions. Hopefully iOS 17 will be much better.
> 
> 
> 
> Violet. 
> She/her.
> 
>> On May 31, 2023, at 12:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>>  Rather than adding more features, I would much prefer the various OSs be 
>> made more stable. Ventura and iOS need to be more polished. Especially 
>> Voiceover voices.
>> 
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

2023-05-31 Thread Violet Gill

Hello, I am enjoying my Mac mini M1 and my iPhone 14 promax. I think the best 
thing I will want to see for iOS 17 is it to be more stable iOS 16 was very 
very buggy in the earlier versions. Hopefully iOS 17 will be much better.

 

 Violet. 
She/her.

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> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

2023-05-31 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

The features Tracy mentioned would be nice, but ET also makes a good point. So, 
my wishlist would be:
Fix focus issues in IOS.  I find it very slippy.
Fix Voices in IOS. For me, they keep cutting in and out.
Add feature in Fitness that allows workouts to be played to an audio only 
device such as a HomePod.  Currently Fitness requires you to select a video 
output source, so the only way to play a workout to a HomePod is to do it 
through the Control Center, which is kind of a pain.
Cheers,
Donna


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> Hi Mark,
>   Rather than adding more features, I would much prefer the various OSs be 
> made more stable. Ventura and iOS need to be more polished. Especially 
> Voiceover voices.
> 
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
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>> the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.
>> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

2023-05-31 Thread Suzanne Erb

Hello,
I don’t have any real preference for new features, but I would like to see 
stability, particularly in terms of Braille and SiRI.
Looking forward to WWDC, as always.
Suzanne

> On May 31, 2023, at 12:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Mark,
>   Rather than adding more features, I would much prefer the various OSs be 
> made more stable. Ventura and iOS need to be more polished. Especially 
> Voiceover voices.
> 
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 5/31/2023 7:58 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
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>> the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.
>> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

2023-05-31 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries


Hi Mark,
   Rather than adding more features, I would much prefer the various 
OSs be made more stable. Ventura and iOS need to be more polished. 
Especially Voiceover voices.



From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 5/31/2023 7:58 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with their Apple
devices.

I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.

You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.


Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
see introduced next week?

I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.

Moderator Mark




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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

2023-05-31 Thread Traci Duncan

Hello, 2 little things I’ve thought would be useful:

A VoiceOver gesture, (say a 2-finger swipe right) in the messages window to 
send the composed message. Instead of locating the send button.

A VoiceOver gesture to spell the current word in focus. Often I’m on the web 
and want something spelled out. It takes many little steps to turn the rotor to 
word, flick to the one I want, then turn the rotor to character, flick letter 
by letter. A simple shortcut would be super useful.

Those are two little things off the top of my head. :)

Take care,
Traci


> On May 31, 2023, at 7:58 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.
> 
> 
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> see introduced next week?
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Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

Hello Everyone,

Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with their Apple
devices.

I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.

You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.


Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
see introduced next week?

I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.

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It's Hello to I Mac 2014 today.

2020-08-03 Thread 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries

I have just acquired the 2014 IMac and it might be an older model but it’s so 
great to have a fast Mac again as I got rid of a 2015 MacBook Pro.  I just like 
the feel of the screen and the sound quality is the best.  I use to have a 2012 
I Mac but this is just as good as that.

Kawal.

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Trouble with Password Syncing hello holly what type of mac do you have

2019-10-14 Thread Holly Jensen

Hello,

I didn’t call the accessibility team, as this isn’t an accessibility issue. I 
did call tech support, and they just said I should update, which I am not 
willing to do fully right now.

Holly

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Re: Trouble with Password Syncing hello holly what type of mac do you have?

2019-10-11 Thread Dave Carlson

Adam, you’re bottom-posting again. Folks will rarely spend the time to look for 
what you wrote.

Dave Carlson
Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer





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Re: Trouble with Password Syncing hello holly what type of mac do you have?

2019-10-11 Thread Adam Aleman




> On Oct 11, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Holly Jensen  
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> I have a late 2015 iMac, 27 inch. 
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Trouble with Password Syncing hello holly what type of mac do you have?

2019-10-11 Thread Holly Jensen

I have a late 2015 iMac, 27 inch. 

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Re: Trouble with Password Syncing hello holly what type of mac do you have?

2019-10-10 Thread Adam Aleman

On 10/10/19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
> Adam,
> You need to do what is known as top posting. That is, go to the top
> of  the edit field and post your replay.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
>
> On 10/10/2019 10:56 AM, Adam Aleman wrote:
>> On 10/10/19, Holly Jensen  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I changed my admin password a few weeks ago, and since then. my
>>> passwords
>>> haven’t been syncing to my mac. I can save passwords, and they sync to
>>> the
>>> cloud, and show up on my phone, but all the passwords I had access to
>>> via
>>> the mac before aren’t there. How do I fix this?
>>>
>>> Holly
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RE: Hello all:

2017-10-17 Thread Simon Fogarty

Hi Tim,

Yeah it’s setup to the be bloody difficult unless your fingers are a foot long.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Wednesday, 18 October 2017 4:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hello all:

Simon,

When reseting the PRAM on an iMac, I usually put my left thumb across the left 
cmd and option keys and my left index finger on the r key.  I then awkwardly 
reach around the left side of the iMac with my right hand and press the power 
button.  With my left hand already in place, I can get my right pinky onto the 
right p key much quicker and things work out fine.  Regarding you not reseting 
the PRAM, what's their beef?  Other than reseting a few things to default, it 
shouldn't hurt them one bit.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 17, 2017, at 04:03, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yeah the resetting PRAM is what I’m doing thus far to correct the issue,
It’s been brought up in meetings to not do it but I work with a number of self 
centred ignorant people who wouldn’t no a disability if I kicked them.

It works so I keep doing it.

Although I’m still having issues when trying to do the PRAM reset on the iMac 
due to keys having to be pressed and where the power button is on the iMac,

As for the fartting in their faces, hmmm, interesting thought, might have to 
give it a try
I’m use to causing trouble it’s really just the depth that varies

Cheers,
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Monday, 16 October 2017 3:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Hello all:

Simon,

Another way of getting around the volume thing is to reset the PRAM.  After it 
has been reset, the volume will be back to a level that will be heard by you.  
If it's a case of them muting things so that when you restart, you don't know 
when to hold down the special keys, I usually just shutdown or force shutdown 
the computer so that I'm in control of when it starts.

Finally, you could just fart in the face of everyone who keeps muting the sound 
so that it makes your life difficult.  They'll soon remember to be more 
considerate :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2017, at 02:22, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim,

I’ve never vbeen able to get the volume to change when in recovery and I’ve got 
a couple of work colleagues who wont stop muting the system alert.

So I might have to try it again with the shift key

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Sunday, 15 October 2017 3:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Hello all:

Hi,

To add to Simon's comments, if you don't hear VO when in the Recovery 
partition, you can use VO-cmd-left or three times, then VO-cmd-up to raise the 
volume.  Don't know for sure if this rotor command has changed in the High 
Sierra version of the Recovery partition.  If so, then you'll need to add the 
shift key to the combination.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 14, 2017, at 02:59, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Yes using command R at start up to get into the recovery console / utilities 
you can use vo

Note though that you have to make sure you have the alert volume up
So that means if someone has muted the start up tone on your machine then you 
wont hear the tones, you also wont hear the vo speech at the recovery utilities.

As for how this works on the new machines, I can't say as haven't got one to 
try, but I know on older machines it works fine as I do this for work all the 
time.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oriol Gómez
Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 5:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Hello all:

do you know if the recovery artition is accessible (i.e. I can run voiceover in 
it?
it's command r upon boot right?

On 10/14/17, Oriol Gómez <ogomez@gmail.com<mailto:ogomez@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

Hi
I will just make a time machine of my drive then reinstall...
I think it will be better hahahaha
thanks Tim

On 10/13/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com<mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

This seems to depend on a number of factors.  Specifically, how many
partitions do you have on this disk?  If only two, then your issue is
indeed a problem.  If more than two

Re: Hello all:

2017-10-17 Thread Tim Kilburn

Simon,

When reseting the PRAM on an iMac, I usually put my left thumb across the left 
cmd and option keys and my left index finger on the r key.  I then awkwardly 
reach around the left side of the iMac with my right hand and press the power 
button.  With my left hand already in place, I can get my right pinky onto the 
right p key much quicker and things work out fine.  Regarding you not reseting 
the PRAM, what's their beef?  Other than reseting a few things to default, it 
shouldn't hurt them one bit.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 17, 2017, at 04:03, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Hi Tim,
 
Yeah the resetting PRAM is what I’m doing thus far to correct the issue,
It’s been brought up in meetings to not do it but I work with a number of self 
centred ignorant people who wouldn’t no a disability if I kicked them.
 
It works so I keep doing it.
 
Although I’m still having issues when trying to do the PRAM reset on the iMac 
due to keys having to be pressed and where the power button is on the iMac,
 
As for the fartting in their faces, hmmm, interesting thought, might have to 
give it a try
I’m use to causing trouble it’s really just the depth that varies
 
Cheers, 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Monday, 16 October 2017 3:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hello all:
 
Simon,
 
Another way of getting around the volume thing is to reset the PRAM.  After it 
has been reset, the volume will be back to a level that will be heard by you.  
If it's a case of them muting things so that when you restart, you don't know 
when to hold down the special keys, I usually just shutdown or force shutdown 
the computer so that I'm in control of when it starts.
 
Finally, you could just fart in the face of everyone who keeps muting the sound 
so that it makes your life difficult.  They'll soon remember to be more 
considerate :).
 
Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
 
On Oct 15, 2017, at 02:22, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 
Hi Tim,
 
I’ve never vbeen able to get the volume to change when in recovery and I’ve got 
a couple of work colleagues who wont stop muting the system alert.
 
So I might have to try it again with the shift key
 
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Sunday, 15 October 2017 3:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Hello all:
 
Hi,
 
To add to Simon's comments, if you don't hear VO when in the Recovery 
partition, you can use VO-cmd-left or three times, then VO-cmd-up to raise the 
volume.  Don't know for sure if this rotor command has changed in the High 
Sierra version of the Recovery partition.  If so, then you'll need to add the 
shift key to the combination.
 
Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
 
On Oct 14, 2017, at 02:59, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 
Yes using command R at start up to get into the recovery console / utilities 
you can use vo 

Note though that you have to make sure you have the alert volume up 
So that means if someone has muted the start up tone on your machine then you 
wont hear the tones, you also wont hear the vo speech at the recovery utilities.

As for how this works on the new machines, I can't say as haven't got one to 
try, but I know on older machines it works fine as I do this for work all the 
time.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Oriol Gómez
Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 5:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Hello all:

do you know if the recovery artition is accessible (i.e. I can run voiceover in 
it?
it's command r upon boot right?

On 10/14/17, Oriol Gómez <ogomez@gmail.com <mailto:ogomez@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


Hi
I will just make a time machine of my drive then reinstall...
I think it will be better hahahaha
thanks Tim

On 10/13/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:


Hi,

This seems to depend on a number of factors.  Specifically, how many 
partitions do you have on this disk?  If only two, then your issue is 
indeed a problem.  If more than two, then I'll explain a few things 
that may help.

• Let's say, for argument's sake, that you have three partitions.
Macintosh
HD, HD-2 and HD-3.
• using Disk Utility or Terminal, you can determine the disk 
identifier for these volumes.
• For fun, I'll say that they came up as disk0s2, disk0s3

RE: Hello all:

2017-10-17 Thread Simon Fogarty

Hi Tim,

Yeah the resetting PRAM is what I’m doing thus far to correct the issue,
It’s been brought up in meetings to not do it but I work with a number of self 
centred ignorant people who wouldn’t no a disability if I kicked them.

It works so I keep doing it.

Although I’m still having issues when trying to do the PRAM reset on the iMac 
due to keys having to be pressed and where the power button is on the iMac,

As for the fartting in their faces, hmmm, interesting thought, might have to 
give it a try
I’m use to causing trouble it’s really just the depth that varies

Cheers,
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Monday, 16 October 2017 3:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hello all:

Simon,

Another way of getting around the volume thing is to reset the PRAM.  After it 
has been reset, the volume will be back to a level that will be heard by you.  
If it's a case of them muting things so that when you restart, you don't know 
when to hold down the special keys, I usually just shutdown or force shutdown 
the computer so that I'm in control of when it starts.

Finally, you could just fart in the face of everyone who keeps muting the sound 
so that it makes your life difficult.  They'll soon remember to be more 
considerate :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2017, at 02:22, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim,

I’ve never vbeen able to get the volume to change when in recovery and I’ve got 
a couple of work colleagues who wont stop muting the system alert.

So I might have to try it again with the shift key



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Sunday, 15 October 2017 3:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Hello all:

Hi,

To add to Simon's comments, if you don't hear VO when in the Recovery 
partition, you can use VO-cmd-left or three times, then VO-cmd-up to raise the 
volume.  Don't know for sure if this rotor command has changed in the High 
Sierra version of the Recovery partition.  If so, then you'll need to add the 
shift key to the combination.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 14, 2017, at 02:59, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Yes using command R at start up to get into the recovery console / utilities 
you can use vo

Note though that you have to make sure you have the alert volume up
So that means if someone has muted the start up tone on your machine then you 
wont hear the tones, you also wont hear the vo speech at the recovery utilities.

As for how this works on the new machines, I can't say as haven't got one to 
try, but I know on older machines it works fine as I do this for work all the 
time.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oriol Gómez
Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 5:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Hello all:

do you know if the recovery artition is accessible (i.e. I can run voiceover in 
it?
it's command r upon boot right?

On 10/14/17, Oriol Gómez <ogomez@gmail.com<mailto:ogomez@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


Hi
I will just make a time machine of my drive then reinstall...
I think it will be better hahahaha
thanks Tim

On 10/13/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com<mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:


Hi,

This seems to depend on a number of factors.  Specifically, how many
partitions do you have on this disk?  If only two, then your issue is
indeed a problem.  If more than two, then I'll explain a few things
that may help.

• Let's say, for argument's sake, that you have three partitions.
Macintosh
HD, HD-2 and HD-3.
• using Disk Utility or Terminal, you can determine the disk
identifier for these volumes.
• For fun, I'll say that they came up as disk0s2, disk0s3 and disk0s4
respectively.
• So, if you remove disk0s3, you can easily expand Macintosh HD
(dis0s2) into the free space provided by the removal of disk0s3.
• But, f disk0s4 is the partition that was removed, then your
frustrations begin.  Because disk0s4 is sequentially after disk0s3,
you cannot combine
disk0s2 with disks4.  The reason for this is that disk0s3 is
logically "in the way" of any expansion.
• Confirm the disk identifiers while in Disk Utility by selecting the
partition from the table and the last item on the screen will display
the disk identifier, such as disk3s3.
• In Terminal, use "distil list" to see all the disk info you'll ever
need.
• This gets a little more complicated if you have a Fusion drive or
or if things are formatte

Re: Hello all:

2017-10-15 Thread Tim Kilburn

Simon,

Another way of getting around the volume thing is to reset the PRAM.  After it 
has been reset, the volume will be back to a level that will be heard by you.  
If it's a case of them muting things so that when you restart, you don't know 
when to hold down the special keys, I usually just shutdown or force shutdown 
the computer so that I'm in control of when it starts.

Finally, you could just fart in the face of everyone who keeps muting the sound 
so that it makes your life difficult.  They'll soon remember to be more 
considerate :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2017, at 02:22, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Hi Tim,
 
I’ve never vbeen able to get the volume to change when in recovery and I’ve got 
a couple of work colleagues who wont stop muting the system alert.
 
So I might have to try it again with the shift key
 
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Sunday, 15 October 2017 3:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hello all:
 
Hi,
 
To add to Simon's comments, if you don't hear VO when in the Recovery 
partition, you can use VO-cmd-left or three times, then VO-cmd-up to raise the 
volume.  Don't know for sure if this rotor command has changed in the High 
Sierra version of the Recovery partition.  If so, then you'll need to add the 
shift key to the combination.
 
Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
 
On Oct 14, 2017, at 02:59, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 
Yes using command R at start up to get into the recovery console / utilities 
you can use vo 

Note though that you have to make sure you have the alert volume up 
So that means if someone has muted the start up tone on your machine then you 
wont hear the tones, you also wont hear the vo speech at the recovery utilities.

As for how this works on the new machines, I can't say as haven't got one to 
try, but I know on older machines it works fine as I do this for work all the 
time.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Oriol Gómez
Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 5:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Hello all:

do you know if the recovery artition is accessible (i.e. I can run voiceover in 
it?
it's command r upon boot right?

On 10/14/17, Oriol Gómez <ogomez@gmail.com <mailto:ogomez@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

Hi
I will just make a time machine of my drive then reinstall...
I think it will be better hahahaha
thanks Tim

On 10/13/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

This seems to depend on a number of factors.  Specifically, how many 
partitions do you have on this disk?  If only two, then your issue is 
indeed a problem.  If more than two, then I'll explain a few things 
that may help.

• Let's say, for argument's sake, that you have three partitions.
Macintosh
HD, HD-2 and HD-3.
• using Disk Utility or Terminal, you can determine the disk 
identifier for these volumes.
• For fun, I'll say that they came up as disk0s2, disk0s3 and disk0s4 
respectively.
• So, if you remove disk0s3, you can easily expand Macintosh HD 
(dis0s2) into the free space provided by the removal of disk0s3.
• But, f disk0s4 is the partition that was removed, then your 
frustrations begin.  Because disk0s4 is sequentially after disk0s3, 
you cannot combine
disk0s2 with disks4.  The reason for this is that disk0s3 is 
logically "in the way" of any expansion.
• Confirm the disk identifiers while in Disk Utility by selecting the 
partition from the table and the last item on the screen will display 
the disk identifier, such as disk3s3.
• In Terminal, use "distil list" to see all the disk info you'll ever 
need.
• This gets a little more complicated if you have a Fusion drive or 
or if things are formatted in the new APFS format.  Still possible, 
but some different arguments.

With all this said, if your partition map has it so that your free 
space is not directly connected to the Macintosh HD partition, then 
the only way you could manipulate things to your favour would be to 
backup or copy the data from the other partition to a totally 
different target, remove that partition, then expand the Macintosh HD 
into the free space and finally re-create a partition for this data 
to return to.  There are also methods within Terminal that can allow 
merging of partitions, but the same restrictions are applied with 
respect to identifier numbering.

I hope this makes some sort of sense.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 12, 2017, at 22:25, Oriol Gómez Sentís <ogomez@gmail.com 
<mailto:ogomez@gm

Re: Hello all:

2017-10-15 Thread Oriol Gómez

I tried using the recovery tools, however the disk partition seems to
be completely corrupted... I don't have an installation USB and yeah.
I have to use a Sierra one which I am currently creating under
windows... Ugh. I might end up having to take it to an Apple Care.

On 10/15/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> I’ve never vbeen able to get the volume to change when in recovery and I’ve
> got a couple of work colleagues who wont stop muting the system alert.
>
> So I might have to try it again with the shift key
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Sunday, 15 October 2017 3:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Hello all:
>
> Hi,
>
> To add to Simon's comments, if you don't hear VO when in the Recovery
> partition, you can use VO-cmd-left or three times, then VO-cmd-up to raise
> the volume.  Don't know for sure if this rotor command has changed in the
> High Sierra version of the Recovery partition.  If so, then you'll need to
> add the shift key to the combination.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Oct 14, 2017, at 02:59, Simon Fogarty
> <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>
> Yes using command R at start up to get into the recovery console / utilities
> you can use vo
>
> Note though that you have to make sure you have the alert volume up
> So that means if someone has muted the start up tone on your machine then
> you wont hear the tones, you also wont hear the vo speech at the recovery
> utilities.
>
> As for how this works on the new machines, I can't say as haven't got one to
> try, but I know on older machines it works fine as I do this for work all
> the time.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oriol Gómez
> Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 5:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Hello all:
>
> do you know if the recovery artition is accessible (i.e. I can run voiceover
> in it?
> it's command r upon boot right?
>
> On 10/14/17, Oriol Gómez <ogomez@gmail.com<mailto:ogomez@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi
> I will just make a time machine of my drive then reinstall...
> I think it will be better hahahaha
> thanks Tim
>
> On 10/13/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com<mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This seems to depend on a number of factors.  Specifically, how many
> partitions do you have on this disk?  If only two, then your issue is
> indeed a problem.  If more than two, then I'll explain a few things
> that may help.
>
> • Let's say, for argument's sake, that you have three partitions.
> Macintosh
> HD, HD-2 and HD-3.
> • using Disk Utility or Terminal, you can determine the disk
> identifier for these volumes.
> • For fun, I'll say that they came up as disk0s2, disk0s3 and disk0s4
> respectively.
> • So, if you remove disk0s3, you can easily expand Macintosh HD
> (dis0s2) into the free space provided by the removal of disk0s3.
> • But, f disk0s4 is the partition that was removed, then your
> frustrations begin.  Because disk0s4 is sequentially after disk0s3,
> you cannot combine
> disk0s2 with disks4.  The reason for this is that disk0s3 is
> logically "in the way" of any expansion.
> • Confirm the disk identifiers while in Disk Utility by selecting the
> partition from the table and the last item on the screen will display
> the disk identifier, such as disk3s3.
> • In Terminal, use "distil list" to see all the disk info you'll ever
> need.
> • This gets a little more complicated if you have a Fusion drive or
> or if things are formatted in the new APFS format.  Still possible,
> but some different arguments.
>
> With all this said, if your partition map has it so that your free
> space is not directly connected to the Macintosh HD partition, then
> the only way you could manipulate things to your favour would be to
> backup or copy the data from the other partition to a totally
> different target, remove that partition, then expand the Macintosh HD
> into the free space and finally re-create a partition for this data
> to return to.  There are also methods within Terminal that can allow
> merging of partitions, but the same restrictions are applied with
> respect to identifier numbering.
>
> I hope this makes some sort of sense.
>
> Later...
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
&

RE: Hello all:

2017-10-15 Thread Simon Fogarty

Hi Tim,

I’ve never vbeen able to get the volume to change when in recovery and I’ve got 
a couple of work colleagues who wont stop muting the system alert.

So I might have to try it again with the shift key



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Sunday, 15 October 2017 3:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hello all:

Hi,

To add to Simon's comments, if you don't hear VO when in the Recovery 
partition, you can use VO-cmd-left or three times, then VO-cmd-up to raise the 
volume.  Don't know for sure if this rotor command has changed in the High 
Sierra version of the Recovery partition.  If so, then you'll need to add the 
shift key to the combination.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 14, 2017, at 02:59, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Yes using command R at start up to get into the recovery console / utilities 
you can use vo

Note though that you have to make sure you have the alert volume up
So that means if someone has muted the start up tone on your machine then you 
wont hear the tones, you also wont hear the vo speech at the recovery utilities.

As for how this works on the new machines, I can't say as haven't got one to 
try, but I know on older machines it works fine as I do this for work all the 
time.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Oriol Gómez
Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 5:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Hello all:

do you know if the recovery artition is accessible (i.e. I can run voiceover in 
it?
it's command r upon boot right?

On 10/14/17, Oriol Gómez <ogomez@gmail.com<mailto:ogomez@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

Hi
I will just make a time machine of my drive then reinstall...
I think it will be better hahahaha
thanks Tim

On 10/13/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com<mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

This seems to depend on a number of factors.  Specifically, how many
partitions do you have on this disk?  If only two, then your issue is
indeed a problem.  If more than two, then I'll explain a few things
that may help.

• Let's say, for argument's sake, that you have three partitions.
Macintosh
HD, HD-2 and HD-3.
• using Disk Utility or Terminal, you can determine the disk
identifier for these volumes.
• For fun, I'll say that they came up as disk0s2, disk0s3 and disk0s4
respectively.
• So, if you remove disk0s3, you can easily expand Macintosh HD
(dis0s2) into the free space provided by the removal of disk0s3.
• But, f disk0s4 is the partition that was removed, then your
frustrations begin.  Because disk0s4 is sequentially after disk0s3,
you cannot combine
disk0s2 with disks4.  The reason for this is that disk0s3 is
logically "in the way" of any expansion.
• Confirm the disk identifiers while in Disk Utility by selecting the
partition from the table and the last item on the screen will display
the disk identifier, such as disk3s3.
• In Terminal, use "distil list" to see all the disk info you'll ever
need.
• This gets a little more complicated if you have a Fusion drive or
or if things are formatted in the new APFS format.  Still possible,
but some different arguments.

With all this said, if your partition map has it so that your free
space is not directly connected to the Macintosh HD partition, then
the only way you could manipulate things to your favour would be to
backup or copy the data from the other partition to a totally
different target, remove that partition, then expand the Macintosh HD
into the free space and finally re-create a partition for this data
to return to.  There are also methods within Terminal that can allow
merging of partitions, but the same restrictions are applied with
respect to identifier numbering.

I hope this makes some sort of sense.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 12, 2017, at 22:25, Oriol Gómez Sentís 
<ogomez@gmail.com<mailto:ogomez@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Hello all:
I am trying to use disk utility to enlarge a partition. I deleted the
other volume, and I would like to enlarge my boot volume.
How can I do it? the pi chart seems to be inaccessible… Has anyone
else done this before or os there a way to do it with terminal?

Thanks bunches.
Oriol Gómez Sentís
T: (+34)620788049
Website: http://www.oriolgomez.com



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Re: Hello all:

2017-10-14 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

To add to Simon's comments, if you don't hear VO when in the Recovery 
partition, you can use VO-cmd-left or three times, then VO-cmd-up to raise the 
volume.  Don't know for sure if this rotor command has changed in the High 
Sierra version of the Recovery partition.  If so, then you'll need to add the 
shift key to the combination.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 14, 2017, at 02:59, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Yes using command R at start up to get into the recovery console / utilities 
you can use vo 

Note though that you have to make sure you have the alert volume up 
So that means if someone has muted the start up tone on your machine then you 
wont hear the tones, you also wont hear the vo speech at the recovery utilities.

As for how this works on the new machines, I can't say as haven't got one to 
try, but I know on older machines it works fine as I do this for work all the 
time.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Oriol Gómez
Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 5:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Hello all:

do you know if the recovery artition is accessible (i.e. I can run voiceover in 
it?
it's command r upon boot right?

On 10/14/17, Oriol Gómez <ogomez@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
> I will just make a time machine of my drive then reinstall...
> I think it will be better hahahaha
> thanks Tim
> 
> On 10/13/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This seems to depend on a number of factors.  Specifically, how many 
>> partitions do you have on this disk?  If only two, then your issue is 
>> indeed a problem.  If more than two, then I'll explain a few things 
>> that may help.
>> 
>> • Let's say, for argument's sake, that you have three partitions.
>> Macintosh
>> HD, HD-2 and HD-3.
>> • using Disk Utility or Terminal, you can determine the disk 
>> identifier for these volumes.
>> • For fun, I'll say that they came up as disk0s2, disk0s3 and disk0s4 
>> respectively.
>> • So, if you remove disk0s3, you can easily expand Macintosh HD 
>> (dis0s2) into the free space provided by the removal of disk0s3.
>> • But, f disk0s4 is the partition that was removed, then your 
>> frustrations begin.  Because disk0s4 is sequentially after disk0s3, 
>> you cannot combine
>> disk0s2 with disks4.  The reason for this is that disk0s3 is 
>> logically "in the way" of any expansion.
>> • Confirm the disk identifiers while in Disk Utility by selecting the 
>> partition from the table and the last item on the screen will display 
>> the disk identifier, such as disk3s3.
>> • In Terminal, use "distil list" to see all the disk info you'll ever 
>> need.
>> • This gets a little more complicated if you have a Fusion drive or 
>> or if things are formatted in the new APFS format.  Still possible, 
>> but some different arguments.
>> 
>> With all this said, if your partition map has it so that your free 
>> space is not directly connected to the Macintosh HD partition, then 
>> the only way you could manipulate things to your favour would be to 
>> backup or copy the data from the other partition to a totally 
>> different target, remove that partition, then expand the Macintosh HD 
>> into the free space and finally re-create a partition for this data 
>> to return to.  There are also methods within Terminal that can allow 
>> merging of partitions, but the same restrictions are applied with 
>> respect to identifier numbering.
>> 
>> I hope this makes some sort of sense.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 22:25, Oriol Gómez Sentís <ogomez@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> I am trying to use disk utility to enlarge a partition. I deleted the 
>> other volume, and I would like to enlarge my boot volume.
>> How can I do it? the pi chart seems to be inaccessible… Has anyone 
>> else done this before or os there a way to do it with terminal?
>> 
>> Thanks bunches.
>> Oriol Gómez Sentís
>> T: (+34)620788049
>> Website: http://www.oriolgomez.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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RE: Hello all:

2017-10-14 Thread Simon Fogarty

Yes using command R at start up to get into the recovery console / utilities 
you can use vo 

Note though that you have to make sure you have the alert volume up 
So that means if someone has muted the start up tone on your machine then you 
wont hear the tones, you also wont hear the vo speech at the recovery utilities.

 As for how this works on the new machines, I can't say as haven't got one to 
try, but I know on older machines it works fine as I do this for work all the 
time.

 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Oriol Gómez
Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2017 5:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hello all:

do you know if the recovery artition is accessible (i.e. I can run voiceover in 
it?
it's command r upon boot right?

On 10/14/17, Oriol Gómez <ogomez@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
> I will just make a time machine of my drive then reinstall...
> I think it will be better hahahaha
> thanks Tim
>
> On 10/13/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> This seems to depend on a number of factors.  Specifically, how many 
>> partitions do you have on this disk?  If only two, then your issue is 
>> indeed a problem.  If more than two, then I'll explain a few things 
>> that may help.
>>
>> • Let's say, for argument's sake, that you have three partitions.
>> Macintosh
>> HD, HD-2 and HD-3.
>> • using Disk Utility or Terminal, you can determine the disk 
>> identifier for these volumes.
>> • For fun, I'll say that they came up as disk0s2, disk0s3 and disk0s4 
>> respectively.
>> • So, if you remove disk0s3, you can easily expand Macintosh HD 
>> (dis0s2) into the free space provided by the removal of disk0s3.
>> • But, f disk0s4 is the partition that was removed, then your 
>> frustrations begin.  Because disk0s4 is sequentially after disk0s3, 
>> you cannot combine
>> disk0s2 with disks4.  The reason for this is that disk0s3 is 
>> logically "in the way" of any expansion.
>> • Confirm the disk identifiers while in Disk Utility by selecting the 
>> partition from the table and the last item on the screen will display 
>> the disk identifier, such as disk3s3.
>> • In Terminal, use "distil list" to see all the disk info you'll ever 
>> need.
>> • This gets a little more complicated if you have a Fusion drive or 
>> or if things are formatted in the new APFS format.  Still possible, 
>> but some different arguments.
>>
>> With all this said, if your partition map has it so that your free 
>> space is not directly connected to the Macintosh HD partition, then 
>> the only way you could manipulate things to your favour would be to 
>> backup or copy the data from the other partition to a totally 
>> different target, remove that partition, then expand the Macintosh HD 
>> into the free space and finally re-create a partition for this data 
>> to return to.  There are also methods within Terminal that can allow 
>> merging of partitions, but the same restrictions are applied with 
>> respect to identifier numbering.
>>
>> I hope this makes some sort of sense.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 22:25, Oriol Gómez Sentís <ogomez@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>> I am trying to use disk utility to enlarge a partition. I deleted the 
>> other volume, and I would like to enlarge my boot volume.
>> How can I do it? the pi chart seems to be inaccessible… Has anyone 
>> else done this before or os there a way to do it with terminal?
>>
>> Thanks bunches.
>> Oriol Gómez Sentís
>> T: (+34)620788049
>> Website: http://www.oriolgomez.com
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Hello all:

2017-10-13 Thread Oriol Gómez

do you know if the recovery artition is accessible (i.e. I can run
voiceover in it?
it's command r upon boot right?

On 10/14/17, Oriol Gómez <ogomez@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
> I will just make a time machine of my drive then reinstall...
> I think it will be better hahahaha
> thanks Tim
>
> On 10/13/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> This seems to depend on a number of factors.  Specifically, how many
>> partitions do you have on this disk?  If only two, then your issue is
>> indeed
>> a problem.  If more than two, then I'll explain a few things that may
>> help.
>>
>> • Let's say, for argument's sake, that you have three partitions.
>> Macintosh
>> HD, HD-2 and HD-3.
>> • using Disk Utility or Terminal, you can determine the disk identifier
>> for
>> these volumes.
>> • For fun, I'll say that they came up as disk0s2, disk0s3 and disk0s4
>> respectively.
>> • So, if you remove disk0s3, you can easily expand Macintosh HD (dis0s2)
>> into the free space provided by the removal of disk0s3.
>> • But, f disk0s4 is the partition that was removed, then your
>> frustrations
>> begin.  Because disk0s4 is sequentially after disk0s3, you cannot combine
>> disk0s2 with disks4.  The reason for this is that disk0s3 is logically
>> "in
>> the way" of any expansion.
>> • Confirm the disk identifiers while in Disk Utility by selecting the
>> partition from the table and the last item on the screen will display the
>> disk identifier, such as disk3s3.
>> • In Terminal, use "distil list" to see all the disk info you'll ever
>> need.
>> • This gets a little more complicated if you have a Fusion drive or or if
>> things are formatted in the new APFS format.  Still possible, but some
>> different arguments.
>>
>> With all this said, if your partition map has it so that your free space
>> is
>> not directly connected to the Macintosh HD partition, then the only way
>> you
>> could manipulate things to your favour would be to backup or copy the
>> data
>> from the other partition to a totally different target, remove that
>> partition, then expand the Macintosh HD into the free space and finally
>> re-create a partition for this data to return to.  There are also methods
>> within Terminal that can allow merging of partitions, but the same
>> restrictions are applied with respect to identifier numbering.
>>
>> I hope this makes some sort of sense.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 22:25, Oriol Gómez Sentís <ogomez@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>> I am trying to use disk utility to enlarge a partition. I deleted the
>> other
>> volume, and I would like to enlarge my boot volume.
>> How can I do it? the pi chart seems to be inaccessible…
>> Has anyone else done this before or os there a way to do it with
>> terminal?
>>
>> Thanks bunches.
>> Oriol Gómez Sentís
>> T: (+34)620788049
>> Website: http://www.oriolgomez.com
>>
>>
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Re: Hello all:

2017-10-13 Thread Oriol Gómez

Hi
I will just make a time machine of my drive then reinstall...
I think it will be better hahahaha
thanks Tim

On 10/13/17, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This seems to depend on a number of factors.  Specifically, how many
> partitions do you have on this disk?  If only two, then your issue is indeed
> a problem.  If more than two, then I'll explain a few things that may help.
>
> • Let's say, for argument's sake, that you have three partitions.  Macintosh
> HD, HD-2 and HD-3.
> • using Disk Utility or Terminal, you can determine the disk identifier for
> these volumes.
> • For fun, I'll say that they came up as disk0s2, disk0s3 and disk0s4
> respectively.
> • So, if you remove disk0s3, you can easily expand Macintosh HD (dis0s2)
> into the free space provided by the removal of disk0s3.
> • But, f disk0s4 is the partition that was removed, then your frustrations
> begin.  Because disk0s4 is sequentially after disk0s3, you cannot combine
> disk0s2 with disks4.  The reason for this is that disk0s3 is logically "in
> the way" of any expansion.
> • Confirm the disk identifiers while in Disk Utility by selecting the
> partition from the table and the last item on the screen will display the
> disk identifier, such as disk3s3.
> • In Terminal, use "distil list" to see all the disk info you'll ever need.
> • This gets a little more complicated if you have a Fusion drive or or if
> things are formatted in the new APFS format.  Still possible, but some
> different arguments.
>
> With all this said, if your partition map has it so that your free space is
> not directly connected to the Macintosh HD partition, then the only way you
> could manipulate things to your favour would be to backup or copy the data
> from the other partition to a totally different target, remove that
> partition, then expand the Macintosh HD into the free space and finally
> re-create a partition for this data to return to.  There are also methods
> within Terminal that can allow merging of partitions, but the same
> restrictions are applied with respect to identifier numbering.
>
> I hope this makes some sort of sense.
>
> Later...
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Oct 12, 2017, at 22:25, Oriol Gómez Sentís <ogomez@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all:
> I am trying to use disk utility to enlarge a partition. I deleted the other
> volume, and I would like to enlarge my boot volume.
> How can I do it? the pi chart seems to be inaccessible…
> Has anyone else done this before or os there a way to do it with terminal?
>
> Thanks bunches.
> Oriol Gómez Sentís
> T: (+34)620788049
> Website: http://www.oriolgomez.com
>
>
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Re: Hello all:

2017-10-13 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

This seems to depend on a number of factors.  Specifically, how many partitions 
do you have on this disk?  If only two, then your issue is indeed a problem.  
If more than two, then I'll explain a few things that may help.

• Let's say, for argument's sake, that you have three partitions.  Macintosh 
HD, HD-2 and HD-3.
• using Disk Utility or Terminal, you can determine the disk identifier for 
these volumes.
• For fun, I'll say that they came up as disk0s2, disk0s3 and disk0s4 
respectively.
• So, if you remove disk0s3, you can easily expand Macintosh HD (dis0s2) into 
the free space provided by the removal of disk0s3.
• But, f disk0s4 is the partition that was removed, then your frustrations 
begin.  Because disk0s4 is sequentially after disk0s3, you cannot combine 
disk0s2 with disks4.  The reason for this is that disk0s3 is logically "in the 
way" of any expansion.
• Confirm the disk identifiers while in Disk Utility by selecting the partition 
from the table and the last item on the screen will display the disk 
identifier, such as disk3s3.
• In Terminal, use "distil list" to see all the disk info you'll ever need.
• This gets a little more complicated if you have a Fusion drive or or if 
things are formatted in the new APFS format.  Still possible, but some 
different arguments.

With all this said, if your partition map has it so that your free space is not 
directly connected to the Macintosh HD partition, then the only way you could 
manipulate things to your favour would be to backup or copy the data from the 
other partition to a totally different target, remove that partition, then 
expand the Macintosh HD into the free space and finally re-create a partition 
for this data to return to.  There are also methods within Terminal that can 
allow merging of partitions, but the same restrictions are applied with respect 
to identifier numbering.

I hope this makes some sort of sense.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 12, 2017, at 22:25, Oriol Gómez Sentís <ogomez....@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all:
I am trying to use disk utility to enlarge a partition. I deleted the other 
volume, and I would like to enlarge my boot volume.
How can I do it? the pi chart seems to be inaccessible…
Has anyone else done this before or os there a way to do it with terminal?

Thanks bunches.
Oriol Gómez Sentís
T: (+34)620788049
Website: http://www.oriolgomez.com



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Hello all:

2017-10-12 Thread Oriol Gómez Sentís

Hello all:
I am trying to use disk utility to enlarge a partition. I deleted the other 
volume, and I would like to enlarge my boot volume.
How can I do it? the pi chart seems to be inaccessible…
Has anyone else done this before or os there a way to do it with terminal?

Thanks bunches.
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Re: Hello again: Apple sends out invitations for October 27 Mac event

2016-10-23 Thread Scott Granados

I can feel my wallet getting lighter already!

And I just bought this MacBook Mid 2015 in August.:)


> On Oct 23, 2016, at 1:38 PM, Christopher Hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/10/19/apple-mac-october-27-event/ 
> <http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/10/19/apple-mac-october-27-event/>
> 
> Hello again: Apple sends out invitations for October 27 Mac event
> 
> 
> 
> It’s official! Apple is holding an event on Thursday, October 27 on its 
> Cupertino campus. On Wednesday afternoon the company sent out the above 
> invitation to select members of the media, asking them to “join us for a 
> special event.”
> 
> We’ve been expecting an October Apple event for several weeks 
> <http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/10/05/apples-rescheduled-earnings-call-might-mean-new-macs-could-be-announced-around-october-27/>
>  now, and yesterday a Recode report 
> <http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/10/18/new-mac-event-october-27/> 
> accurately predicted it would happen on the 27. And as the invite indicates, 
> the focus of the event is believed to be new Mac hardware.
> 
> 
> concept by Martin Hajek
> 
> But just what that new hardware could be is anyone’s guess. The redesigned 
> MacBook Pro <http://www.idownloadblog.com/tag/macbook-pro/>, with OLED touch 
> bar and Touch ID, seems like safe bet, as does some sort of MacBook Air 
> update 
> <http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/10/17/macbook-pro-still-coming-october/>. 
> There has also been rumors 
> <http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/06/01/updated-thunderbolt-display-rumored-to-include-5k-resolution-and-integrated-gpu/>
>  of new hi-res displays.
> 
> Apple will be live-streaming 
> <http://www.apple.com/apple-events/october-2016/> the event, which kicks off 
> at 10 a.m. (PDT) on October 27. As usual, we will be covering the event live 
> here on iDB, as well as all subsequent announcements throughout the day. 
> 
> 
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Hello again: Apple sends out invitations for October 27 Mac event

2016-10-23 Thread Christopher Hallsworth


http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/10/19/apple-mac-october-27-event/ 
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/10/19/apple-mac-october-27-event/>

Hello again: Apple sends out invitations for October 27 Mac event



It’s official! Apple is holding an event on Thursday, October 27 on its 
Cupertino campus. On Wednesday afternoon the company sent out the above 
invitation to select members of the media, asking them to “join us for a 
special event.”

We’ve been expecting an October Apple event for several weeks 
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/10/05/apples-rescheduled-earnings-call-might-mean-new-macs-could-be-announced-around-october-27/>
 now, and yesterday a Recode report 
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/10/18/new-mac-event-october-27/> accurately 
predicted it would happen on the 27. And as the invite indicates, the focus of 
the event is believed to be new Mac hardware.


concept by Martin Hajek

But just what that new hardware could be is anyone’s guess. The redesigned 
MacBook Pro <http://www.idownloadblog.com/tag/macbook-pro/>, with OLED touch 
bar and Touch ID, seems like safe bet, as does some sort of MacBook Air update 
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/10/17/macbook-pro-still-coming-october/>. 
There has also been rumors 
<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/06/01/updated-thunderbolt-display-rumored-to-include-5k-resolution-and-integrated-gpu/>
 of new hi-res displays.

Apple will be live-streaming <http://www.apple.com/apple-events/october-2016/> 
the event, which kicks off at 10 a.m. (PDT) on October 27. As usual, we will be 
covering the event live here on iDB, as well as all subsequent announcements 
throughout the day. 



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Re: Hello Anne

2016-09-28 Thread christopher hallsworth

Wow! Grumpy indeed. I am always in the notion that Apple never “forces” users 
anything down their throats, upgrading to Sierra being one of them. It’s not 
even in Software Update; you have to grab it from the Mac App Store yourself. 
It isn’t just thrown at you like the other boys tried, at their very best I 
must say, when they pushed users running Windows 7 or 8.1 to 10. Of course, 
that isn’t happening now the free offer has expired, but you get the idea. Just 
my £0.02 worth and will get out of my soapbox before I say anything I will 
later regret.


> On 28 Sep 2016, at 15:34, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Totally skewed. Apple has not made the decision for you, you did, as we all 
> do, to press the upgrade button or not to press the upgrade button.
> 
>   Good luck with the Ultra Book. Nothing will change with that, only the 
> names.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/28/2016 7:26 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
>> Yes Anne, I can live quite well with El Capitan. I think the only thing in
>> Sierra that would have been useful was the removal of the focus bug along
>> with a few others. Not a show stopper however.
>> 
>> The thing that annoys me is, that Apple have decided to not even give me the
>> opportunity to try the new operating system for myself. Yes, it might well
>> have been slower than on the latest and greatest. And, yes I might have had
>> to go back to El Capitan because of that. Nevertheless, I do not like the
>> decision taken out of my own hands by others.
>> 
>> As I have said, El Capitan is fine. I am now old enough to have convinced my
>> ego that contentment is not to be found in the latest offering from the boys
>> in Silicone Valley. It was my intention to purchase something more portable,
>> such as the Mac Book Air, in the early part of 2017. However, I shall
>> instead go down the Ultra Book road running Windows 10. I can buy the said
>> machine with a good speck of 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD drive for a lot
>> less than anything on offer from Apple. OK, the components may not be the
>> best that money can buy, but do they have to be in the throw-away world of
>> today.
>> 
>> The advice I would offer to anyone buying a Mac is quite simply this,
>> purchase the lowest, and thus the cheapest, speck that you can get away with
>> for your needs. Don't even consider extra RAM or more hard disc space in the
>> hope of prolonging the lifetime of your investment. I understand, but do not
>> agree with, the market forces that guide a lot of decisions being made by
>> manufacturers which are not in the best interest of consumers. Having  been
>> given the operating system free of charge might not be such a good idea
>> after all. But, then I never thought it was because in such offerings there
>> is always a hidden cost.
>> Take care Anne.
>> From grumpy Marty
>> 
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Re: Hello Anne

2016-09-28 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi Martin,

The release of Sierra has not rendered your Mini obsolete, thus also has not 
forced you to throw away a perfectly good machine, nor does it force your hand 
into purchasing a new computer.  That Mini works very well with El Capitan and 
will likely continue working well for quite a while.  You mentioned that you 
have 4 GB of RAM and a 500 GB HD in your Mini, which is fine, but even if you 
have 16 GB RAM and a 1 TB SSD, there are many other factors that come into play 
including the processor, Cache speed, memory speed, video memory, the number of 
processors etc, which all together determine whether a system can work on any 
given machine.  In the past, I have forced a new MacOS onto an older machine 
and the results were obvious.  Yes, it worked, but it was brutal to operate.  
So very slow, especially with VO and speech.  Almost painful.  I totally 
disagree with your suggestion of purchasing the lowest end Mac as opposed to 
beefing it up a little.  As the feature set grows, your system is taxed 
further, thus having a few components that are beyond minimum will allow your 
experience to be richer, longer.

Just my thoughts.

Have a good one.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 28, 2016, at 08:26, Martin Brown  wrote:

Yes Anne, I can live quite well with El Capitan. I think the only thing in
Sierra that would have been useful was the removal of the focus bug along
with a few others. Not a show stopper however.

The thing that annoys me is, that Apple have decided to not even give me the
opportunity to try the new operating system for myself. Yes, it might well
have been slower than on the latest and greatest. And, yes I might have had
to go back to El Capitan because of that. Nevertheless, I do not like the
decision taken out of my own hands by others.

As I have said, El Capitan is fine. I am now old enough to have convinced my
ego that contentment is not to be found in the latest offering from the boys
in Silicone Valley. It was my intention to purchase something more portable,
such as the Mac Book Air, in the early part of 2017. However, I shall
instead go down the Ultra Book road running Windows 10. I can buy the said
machine with a good speck of 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD drive for a lot
less than anything on offer from Apple. OK, the components may not be the
best that money can buy, but do they have to be in the throw-away world of
today. 

The advice I would offer to anyone buying a Mac is quite simply this,
purchase the lowest, and thus the cheapest, speck that you can get away with
for your needs. Don't even consider extra RAM or more hard disc space in the
hope of prolonging the lifetime of your investment. I understand, but do not
agree with, the market forces that guide a lot of decisions being made by
manufacturers which are not in the best interest of consumers. Having  been
given the operating system free of charge might not be such a good idea
after all. But, then I never thought it was because in such offerings there
is always a hidden cost. 
Take care Anne.
>From grumpy Marty

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Re: Hello Anne

2016-09-28 Thread E.T.

   Totally skewed. Apple has not made the decision for you, you did, as 
we all do, to press the upgrade button or not to press the upgrade button.


   Good luck with the Ultra Book. Nothing will change with that, only 
the names.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/28/2016 7:26 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

 Yes Anne, I can live quite well with El Capitan. I think the only thing in
Sierra that would have been useful was the removal of the focus bug along
with a few others. Not a show stopper however.

The thing that annoys me is, that Apple have decided to not even give me the
opportunity to try the new operating system for myself. Yes, it might well
have been slower than on the latest and greatest. And, yes I might have had
to go back to El Capitan because of that. Nevertheless, I do not like the
decision taken out of my own hands by others.

As I have said, El Capitan is fine. I am now old enough to have convinced my
ego that contentment is not to be found in the latest offering from the boys
in Silicone Valley. It was my intention to purchase something more portable,
such as the Mac Book Air, in the early part of 2017. However, I shall
instead go down the Ultra Book road running Windows 10. I can buy the said
machine with a good speck of 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD drive for a lot
less than anything on offer from Apple. OK, the components may not be the
best that money can buy, but do they have to be in the throw-away world of
today.

The advice I would offer to anyone buying a Mac is quite simply this,
purchase the lowest, and thus the cheapest, speck that you can get away with
for your needs. Don't even consider extra RAM or more hard disc space in the
hope of prolonging the lifetime of your investment. I understand, but do not
agree with, the market forces that guide a lot of decisions being made by
manufacturers which are not in the best interest of consumers. Having  been
given the operating system free of charge might not be such a good idea
after all. But, then I never thought it was because in such offerings there
is always a hidden cost.
Take care Anne.
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Hello Anne

2016-09-28 Thread Martin Brown

 Yes Anne, I can live quite well with El Capitan. I think the only thing in
Sierra that would have been useful was the removal of the focus bug along
with a few others. Not a show stopper however.

The thing that annoys me is, that Apple have decided to not even give me the
opportunity to try the new operating system for myself. Yes, it might well
have been slower than on the latest and greatest. And, yes I might have had
to go back to El Capitan because of that. Nevertheless, I do not like the
decision taken out of my own hands by others.

As I have said, El Capitan is fine. I am now old enough to have convinced my
ego that contentment is not to be found in the latest offering from the boys
in Silicone Valley. It was my intention to purchase something more portable,
such as the Mac Book Air, in the early part of 2017. However, I shall
instead go down the Ultra Book road running Windows 10. I can buy the said
machine with a good speck of 16GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD drive for a lot
less than anything on offer from Apple. OK, the components may not be the
best that money can buy, but do they have to be in the throw-away world of
today. 

The advice I would offer to anyone buying a Mac is quite simply this,
purchase the lowest, and thus the cheapest, speck that you can get away with
for your needs. Don't even consider extra RAM or more hard disc space in the
hope of prolonging the lifetime of your investment. I understand, but do not
agree with, the market forces that guide a lot of decisions being made by
manufacturers which are not in the best interest of consumers. Having  been
given the operating system free of charge might not be such a good idea
after all. But, then I never thought it was because in such offerings there
is always a hidden cost. 
Take care Anne.
>From grumpy Marty

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Hello everyone

2015-02-07 Thread Hossein Ourangy

I want to ask a question about installing an other synthesizer like
espeak for ios8 or no?
I heard that espeak is designed for ios and mac.
please somebody help me
many thanks

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Re: Hello everyone

2015-02-07 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
Espeak can be installed on a mac but does not work with voiceover.
At least when i tried it.
/A
 7 feb 2015 kl. 17:24 skrev Hossein Ourangy h.oura...@gmail.com:
 
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 I heard that espeak is designed for ios and mac.
 please somebody help me
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Re: Hello everyone

2015-02-07 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

I haven't heard about ESpeak being available for iOS 8 unless you jailbreak it 
and you find a tweak for it. Other than that, there's no way of installing 
other synthesizers.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

 On Feb 7, 2015, at 10:24 AM, Hossein Ourangy h.oura...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I want to ask a question about installing an other synthesizer like
 espeak for ios8 or no?
 I heard that espeak is designed for ios and mac.
 please somebody help me
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Re: learning the russian braille code!. hello everyone!

2014-04-30 Thread Andrew Lamanche

Dear Chenelle,

Below you will find the Braille representations of the Russian alphabet.  I’ve 
written each Braille Russian equivalent after the equals sign because this sign 
has all the 6 dots in Braille and you can easily feel the pattern of the letter 
that follows against the equals sign for clarification.  Where I was not able 
to type the Russian letter in Braille, I’ve provided the appropriate dot 
numbers for you to produce it in Braille.

There’s also a Wikkipaidia page on this available the URL to which I will try 
to copy at the bottom of this message after the Russian alphabet.

Hope this will help you.

See the alphabet beneath my signature.

Andrew

Russian a - =a
Russian b - =b
Russian v - =w
Russian g - =g (pronounced in Russian at the back of the throat as ge)
Russian d - =d
Russian ie - =e
Russian io - =*
Russian zh - =j
Russian ze - =z
Russian i - =i
Russian i krotkoe - = dots 1 2 3 4 6
Russian k - =k
Russian l - =l
Russian m - =m
Russian n - =n
Russian o - =o
Russian p - =p
Russian r - =r
Russian s - =s
Russian t - =t
Russian oo - =u
Russian f - =f
Russian h - =h
Russian tche - =q
Russian sha - = dots 1 5 6
Russian shtche - =x
Russian soft sign written after a consonant - =)
Russian hard sign written after a consonant - =(
Russian y (it’s a back open vowel) = dots 2 3 4 6
Russian e close in pronunciation to English e - ={
Russian u which is a dyfthong - = dots 1 2 5 6
Russian ia - =$

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Braille
On 29 Apr 2014, at 22:44, Chenelle Hancock filmchenelle1...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 I am currently  teaching myself how to speak russan.  I wanted to know is the 
 a way to learn braille  russian code?.  Is there a website that I could go to 
 find this information  outhat?.  
 thank you! so much for your assistants  with this matter. 
 sincerely,  chenelle 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 29 Apr 2014, at 5:25 pm, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
   Today's topic summary
 Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics
 
 A question about finereader pro and sending text to an aplication. [1 Update]
 A scanner for finereader pro on the mac. [1 Update]
 Having the Driver connected to the Airport Base, on the Desktop. [4 Updates]
 Where to purchase Amadeous Pro [1 Update]
 Sluggish behavior After Updating to Mavericks [5 Updates]
 printer sharing [1 Update]
 Roboform for Mac [1 Update]
 Terminal: is it safe to use? [2 Updates]
 Mailbox Sort Order in Mavericks [1 Update]
  A question about finereader pro and sending text to an aplication.
 Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com Apr 29 11:22PM +0200  
 
 Hi all.
  
 I really love working with the finereader pro for mac. There is one thing 
 that annoys me.
  
 I have been using the windows version of finereader for many years, a 
 function that I really like is the send to function, but this function is 
 not included in the mac version. I wonder if you could make a script that 
 will send the document to e.g. textedit but without having to export and 
 save. If anyone knows something I would be glad to know.
  
 Best regards Annie.
  
  A scanner for finereader pro on the mac.
 Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com Apr 29 11:17PM +0200  
 
 Hi Terje.
  
 I bought the canon canoscan 9000f. This is really a scanner that works. I 
 have never got a scanner to work as fast as this one.
  
 Thank you for your suggestion.
  
 Best regards Annie.
  
  Having the Driver connected to the Airport Base, on the Desktop.
 Gabriele Battaglia iz4...@libero.it Apr 29 09:58PM +0200  
 
 Hello all.
 Is it possible to have these items on my desktop, as they were connected 
 directly to the iMac, instead being on the Airport Estreme?
 Thanks.
 Gabriel.
 —
 Namasté!
 Sent from my iMac27. (Libero)
  
 Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com Apr 29 03:09PM -0500  
 
 Are you talking about your hard drive? Maybe external or did I misunderstand 
 your question?
  
  
 Gabriele Battaglia gabriele.battag...@gmail.com Apr 29 10:25PM +0200  
 
 
  Are you talking about your hard drive? Maybe external or did I 
  misunderstand your question?
 Hi Jim.
 If configured so, you may have all the external driver eventually connected 
 to Mavericks, on the desktop, as you usually have just the main one.
  
 That’s happens when drivers are connected via some port, like USB, or when 
 they are available in the same Local network.
  
 Unfortunately this seem not to be true for those drivers who are link via 
 the Airport Extreme.
  
 Gabriel
 —
 Namasté!
 Inviato dal mio iMac27. (Gmail)
  
 Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com Apr 29 03:11PM -0600  
 
 Hi,
  
 In the Finder Preferences (cmd-comma while in the Finder), you can check the 
 box to have Connected Servers show on your Desktop. When this item is 
 checked, there will be an icon representing the network drive displayed on 
 your Desktop just like when you have a drive connected directly via USB, 
 Firewire or Thunderbolt.
  
 Later…
  
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
  
  
  Where

learning the russian braille code!. hello everyone!

2014-04-29 Thread Chenelle Hancock


I am currently  teaching myself how to speak russan.  I wanted to know is the a 
way to learn braille  russian code?.  Is there a website that I could go to 
find this information  outhat?.  
thank you! so much for your assistants  with this matter. 
sincerely,  chenelle 

Sent from my iPhone

 On 29 Apr 2014, at 5:25 pm, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
   Today's topic summary
 Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics
 
 A question about finereader pro and sending text to an aplication. [1 Update]
 A scanner for finereader pro on the mac. [1 Update]
 Having the Driver connected to the Airport Base, on the Desktop. [4 Updates]
 Where to purchase Amadeous Pro [1 Update]
 Sluggish behavior After Updating to Mavericks [5 Updates]
 printer sharing [1 Update]
 Roboform for Mac [1 Update]
 Terminal: is it safe to use? [2 Updates]
 Mailbox Sort Order in Mavericks [1 Update]
  A question about finereader pro and sending text to an aplication.
 Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com Apr 29 11:22PM +0200  
 
 Hi all.
  
 I really love working with the finereader pro for mac. There is one thing 
 that annoys me.
  
 I have been using the windows version of finereader for many years, a 
 function that I really like is the send to function, but this function is not 
 included in the mac version. I wonder if you could make a script that will 
 send the document to e.g. textedit but without having to export and save. If 
 anyone knows something I would be glad to know.
  
 Best regards Annie.
  
 
  A scanner for finereader pro on the mac.
 Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com Apr 29 11:17PM +0200  
 
 Hi Terje.
  
 I bought the canon canoscan 9000f. This is really a scanner that works. I 
 have never got a scanner to work as fast as this one.
  
 Thank you for your suggestion.
  
 Best regards Annie.
  
 
  Having the Driver connected to the Airport Base, on the Desktop.
 Gabriele Battaglia iz4...@libero.it Apr 29 09:58PM +0200  
 
 Hello all.
 Is it possible to have these items on my desktop, as they were connected 
 directly to the iMac, instead being on the Airport Estreme?
 Thanks.
 Gabriel.
 —
 Namasté!
 Sent from my iMac27. (Libero)
  
 
 Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com Apr 29 03:09PM -0500  
 
 Are you talking about your hard drive? Maybe external or did I misunderstand 
 your question?
  
  
 
 Gabriele Battaglia gabriele.battag...@gmail.com Apr 29 10:25PM +0200  
 
 
  Are you talking about your hard drive? Maybe external or did I 
  misunderstand your question?
 Hi Jim.
 If configured so, you may have all the external driver eventually connected 
 to Mavericks, on the desktop, as you usually have just the main one.
  
 That’s happens when drivers are connected via some port, like USB, or when 
 they are available in the same Local network.
  
 Unfortunately this seem not to be true for those drivers who are link via the 
 Airport Extreme.
  
 Gabriel
 —
 Namasté!
 Inviato dal mio iMac27. (Gmail)
  
 
 Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com Apr 29 03:11PM -0600  
 
 Hi,
  
 In the Finder Preferences (cmd-comma while in the Finder), you can check the 
 box to have Connected Servers show on your Desktop. When this item is 
 checked, there will be an icon representing the network drive displayed on 
 your Desktop just like when you have a drive connected directly via USB, 
 Firewire or Thunderbolt.
  
 Later…
  
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
  
  
 
  Where to purchase Amadeous Pro
 Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org Apr 30 08:47AM +1200  
 
 Hi max, yes, the version from his website is less crippled in a few areas.
 I purchased via the App Store when I first got a Mac, and ran into a couple 
 of issues with more complex functions. The developer converted my purchase so 
 it would run with the version on his site. To be compliant with the App 
 Store's guidelines, an app has to conform to Apple's strict sandbox rules. 
 His version does not.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
  
  
 
  Sluggish behavior After Updating to Mavericks
 Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com Apr 29 02:56PM -0400  
 
 I know this has been discussed before. If there is an archive I can't find it.
 I have a Macbook with 4 gig memory and I hpdated it to Mavericks last night. 
 Things are very sluggish and busy. They are slow to respond and mail seems 
 the worst. I thought 4 gig could run Mavericks on a Macbook. Is this wrong? 
 Are there things I can do to get it to run better?
  
 Thanks.
  
 Kristeen
  
 
 Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com Apr 29 03:01PM -0400  
 
 Are you running all the latest updates? I found that 10.9.2 fixed those 
 problems for me. Also, Mail may take a while to sync everything and settle 
 down, so if it is the primary source of the trouble, see if it doesn't fix 
 itself in a couple days. To test this, quit Mail entirely and go about your 
 normal usage, then open Mail again and see if anything changes

hello i have some problems

2013-03-08 Thread Abdullah Alsehli

hello i have some problems first i want command to change keyboard  language 
second i want no more about installing apps therd i want complete user guide 
for mac 
best regard abdullah

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Re: hello i have some problems

2013-03-08 Thread Esther

Hi Abdullah,

I'll try to answer your questions. The default shortcut to change
keyboard languages, if you have more than one language keyboard set up
for your Mac, is Command-space. There isn't a complete user guide for
Mac, but the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide on your Mac has useful
sections on learning Mac OS X Basics and Using Mac OS X Applications.
You can access an HTML copy of the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide by
pressing VO-H (that's Control-Option-H), and navigating to the bottom
of the menu. If you're using OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, you can also
read that guide on the web in various language. Here are the URLs for
English and Arabic:
• VoiceOver Getting Started Guide, Mountain Lion (English)
http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html
• VoiceOver Getting Started Guide, Mountain Lion (Arabic)
http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/ar.lproj/index.html
If you are looking for a different language manual, please ask. You
can also get and RTF version of this user guide, in English only, from
the Documentation page of John Panarese's Mac for the Blind web site:
http://macfortheblind.com/documentation

For some general notes on switching to the Mac from Windows, the
AppleVis Guides pages have a useful post by David Woodbridge:
• A Guide to Making the Switch from Using a Windows Screen Reader to
VoiceOver on a Mac:
http://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-making-switch-using-windows-screen-reader-voiceover-Mac

You can install applications either by using the Mac App Store, or by
separately downloading and installing third party apps. A good place
to find third party apps for the Mac is the MacUpdate site -- just do
a Google search for the app name along with macupdate. Most Mac
apps are installed by simply copying the application bundle to your
Applications folder, and are deleted by moving that application to the
Trash. A few applications that need to take control of other apps in
order to run will come with installers as in Windows, and should also
be removed by running an uninstalled from the same app. Installing
apps with either method requires you to use an Administrator's
password to authorize the installation. A common file format used for
application installations is a disk image file, with .dmg extension.
These files mount on your system like external disk drives, which give
them special privileges that make the installation process more
transparent. After you copy the application bundle from the disk
image file to your applications folder, you can eject the disk image
file with Command-E, and then send it to the Trash. Another common
file format used for distributing applications is the zip format.
Again, you move the unzipped application to your Applications folder,
and move it to the Trash if you want to uninstall it. This covers
most of the general information about applications. If you have more
questions, you'll have to provide a more specific answer. For
example, it may be possible that installing a particular application
will require you to temporarily disable the Gatekeeper software that
is used with Mountain Lion. This will not be necessary for apps
installed from the Mac App Store, all of which have the developer's
authentication. It may not be necessary for other third party
software, depending on the source. But this is something new, and
specific to Mountain Lion's additional security precautions that you
may need to deal with for specific, third party software sources.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther,

On Mar 8, 6:40 am, Abdullah Alsehli dr.abdull...@gmail.com wrote:
hello i have some problems first i want command to change keyboard language
second i want no more about installing apps therd i want complete user guide
for mac
best regard abdullah

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Re: Hello

2011-11-02 Thread Gigi

I am now retired from teaching and customer service work these days, so I 
thought I'd weigh in on this subject. If you want to go further back, Apple 2 
E's used to dominate education as far as computers went. 

I think when you are deciding what computer you want you have to decide what 
your needs are now because by the time you get out of school and get to that 
all-important job, you'll have to know what the school district has and fit 
yourself in. If you're lucky, you can have your own system and only have to 
connect with theirs to enter grades and student records. 

Right now you have to get through education with your computer choice. I would 
think little would be the first choice so you could wag things around. These 
days, a lot of universities have electronic library material available. You 
might want to go and visit the university of your choice and investigate what 
they have have, both for disabled and nondisabled students. You'll want to find 
out how you get the library files and what systems can access them. 

I recently investigated going to graduate school, and the university had all 
kinds of things like braille displays, Jaws, Kurzweil 1000, and braille 
embossers. NNondisabled studeents had access to electronic edia, and I could 
have used any system of mine I wanted to access it. 
Personally, I think devices like iPads and MacBook Airs are going to be 
important for us. You can do things on iOS devices that we've not been able to 
do before as easily like moving icons around with touch and hold. 

You're going to want to do a lot of word processing at home for lesson plans. 
You can do that with any accessible system, whether Windows or Mac. You'll want 
to be doing fancy color stuff. I had a blind friend whose principal decided 
that everybody should underline objectives in certain colors, no exceptions to 
that. 

Internet access will be another biggie for you. I think both types of computers 
can that ok. Email can be done of either as well. I haven't tried scanning 
programs on the Mac yet, so others will need to comment about that. 

I am avoiding doing so myself, because I don't need to, but you can put Windows 
on a Mac. You could have both Macintosh programs and Windows on your Mac. I've 
heard it runs Windows faster than other computers. I hope all this helps, and 
happy researching. 

Regards,
Gigi




Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Jasmine Kotsay jasmine.kot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 Unfortunately, I'm not going to be in programming or networking.  I'm trying 
 to get my teaching credentials in a few years, so I'm not sure what kind of 
 computer to get in the future.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Louie P.  (Pete) Nalda lpna...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:21:12 -0500
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 I think that the biggest difference you'll have is a slight learning curve 
 using VoiceOver as opposed to Jaws or other Windows screenreaders.  I myself, 
 am not the one to ask, but do invite others with hands on both sides to give 
 you more details.  As for compatibility with things like blackboard and Word, 
 again, I'm not sure, as I worked in Electronic publishing in school, and most 
 of our machines were macs, and I'm more of a Zoom user than a VO user, except 
 when my eyes fatigue.  If you're going into programming or networking, I feel 
 the mac is a nice choice because you have BSD Unix built right in, and if 
 need be, can work directly from the terminal.
 
 
 On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:05 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I can't answer most of your questions as I am a novice at the mac myself, but 
 I will tell you that you will like it once you get the hang of it.
 
 The only thing I really know how to do is some e-mail and some safari stuff.  
 I wish you the best and I hope you like it as much as I do.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Nov 1, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Hi,

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Re: Hello

2011-11-02 Thread Jasmine Kotsay


Hi, Gigi,
Thank you so much for all of your help! I really appreciate it, 
because I don't know how to decide whether I want a Windows or a 
Mac machine.  I will concider all of your advice, and I will do 
as much research as I can before I make my choice.


Sincerely,
Jasmine

- Original Message -
From: Gigi gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Date sent: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 04:19:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Hello

I am now retired from teaching and customer service work these 
days, so I thought I'd weigh in on this subject.  If you want to 
go further back, Apple 2 E's used to dominate education as far as 
computers went.


I think when you are deciding what computer you want you have to 
decide what your needs are now because by the time you get out of 
school and get to that all-important job, you'll have to know 
what the school district has and fit yourself in.  If you're 
lucky, you can have your own system and only have to connect with 
theirs to enter grades and student records.


Right now you have to get through education with your computer 
choice.  I would think little would be the first choice so you 
could wag things around.  These days, a lot of universities have 
electronic library material available.  You might want to go and 
visit the university of your choice and investigate what they 
have have, both for disabled and nondisabled students.  You'll 
want to find out how you get the library files and what systems 
can access them.


I recently investigated going to graduate school, and the 
university had all kinds of things like braille displays, Jaws, 
Kurzweil 1000, and braille embossers.  NNondisabled studeents had 
access to electronic edia, and I could have used any system of 
mine I wanted to access it.
Personally, I think devices like iPads and MacBook Airs are going 
to be important for us.  You can do things on iOS devices that 
we've not been able to do before as easily like moving icons 
around with touch and hold.


You're going to want to do a lot of word processing at home for 
lesson plans.  You can do that with any accessible system, 
whether Windows or Mac.  You'll want to be doing fancy color 
stuff.  I had a blind friend whose principal decided that 
everybody should underline objectives in certain colors, no 
exceptions to that.


Internet access will be another biggie for you.  I think both 
types of computers can that ok.  Email can be done of either as 
well.  I haven't tried scanning programs on the Mac yet, so 
others will need to comment about that.


I am avoiding doing so myself, because I don't need to, but you 
can put Windows on a Mac.  You could have both Macintosh programs 
and Windows on your Mac.  I've heard it runs Windows faster than 
other computers.  I hope all this helps, and happy researching.


Regards,
Gigi




Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Jasmine Kotsay 
jasmine.kot...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,
Unfortunately, I'm not going to be in programming or networking.  
I'm trying to get my teaching credentials in a few years, so I'm 
not sure what kind of computer to get in the future.


- Original Message -
From: Louie P.  (Pete) Nalda lpna...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:21:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Hello

I think that the biggest difference you'll have is a slight 
learning curve using VoiceOver as opposed to Jaws or other 
Windows screenreaders.  I myself, am not the one to ask, but do 
invite others with hands on both sides to give you more details.  
As for compatibility with things like blackboard and Word, again, 
I'm not sure, as I worked in Electronic publishing in school, and 
most of our machines were macs, and I'm more of a Zoom user than 
a VO user, except when my eyes fatigue.  If you're going into 
programming or networking, I feel the mac is a nice choice 
because you have BSD Unix built right in, and if need be, can 
work directly from the terminal.



On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:05 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

Hi,

I can't answer most of your questions as I am a novice at the 
mac myself, but I will tell you that you will like it once you 
get the hang of it.


The only thing I really know how to do is some e-mail and some 
safari stuff.  I wish you the best and I hope you like it as much 
as I do.


Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Nov 1, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

Hi,

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Re: Hello

2011-11-02 Thread Megan L

Hey,
I'm also a newbie to this list. I made the switch from Windows to the Mac a few 
months ago, when I got fed up with having to pay extra money just so I could 
have the level of access that I wanted to have on my computer. I'm currently a 
university student, and I love my macbook Pro. It's got a longer battery life, 
and is more portable, durable and faster than any windows machine I've ever 
owned. know I have a lot to learn about the mac, but so far it's suited my 
needs perfectly. And the wonderful thing is you can also run Windows on a mac, 
so if there's a program that you need to use on the windows side of things, you 
don't have to miss out. YOu can have the best of both worlds.
The Mac OS is very different from Windows, but once you get used to it it's 
real easy to use, and you can do many things that you can't do with windows.

Hope this helps,
Meg
On 2011-11-02, at 3:09 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

 Hi, Gigi,
 Thank you so much for all of your help! I really appreciate it, because I 
 don't know how to decide whether I want a Windows or a Mac machine.  I will 
 concider all of your advice, and I will do as much research as I can before I 
 make my choice.
 
 Sincerely,
 Jasmine
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Gigi gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 04:19:48 -0500
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 I am now retired from teaching and customer service work these days, so I 
 thought I'd weigh in on this subject.  If you want to go further back, Apple 
 2 E's used to dominate education as far as computers went.
 
 I think when you are deciding what computer you want you have to decide what 
 your needs are now because by the time you get out of school and get to that 
 all-important job, you'll have to know what the school district has and fit 
 yourself in.  If you're lucky, you can have your own system and only have to 
 connect with theirs to enter grades and student records.
 
 Right now you have to get through education with your computer choice.  I 
 would think little would be the first choice so you could wag things around.  
 These days, a lot of universities have electronic library material available. 
  You might want to go and visit the university of your choice and investigate 
 what they have have, both for disabled and nondisabled students.  You'll want 
 to find out how you get the library files and what systems can access them.
 
 I recently investigated going to graduate school, and the university had all 
 kinds of things like braille displays, Jaws, Kurzweil 1000, and braille 
 embossers.  NNondisabled studeents had access to electronic edia, and I could 
 have used any system of mine I wanted to access it.
 Personally, I think devices like iPads and MacBook Airs are going to be 
 important for us.  You can do things on iOS devices that we've not been able 
 to do before as easily like moving icons around with touch and hold.
 
 You're going to want to do a lot of word processing at home for lesson plans. 
  You can do that with any accessible system, whether Windows or Mac.  You'll 
 want to be doing fancy color stuff.  I had a blind friend whose principal 
 decided that everybody should underline objectives in certain colors, no 
 exceptions to that.
 
 Internet access will be another biggie for you.  I think both types of 
 computers can that ok.  Email can be done of either as well.  I haven't tried 
 scanning programs on the Mac yet, so others will need to comment about that.
 
 I am avoiding doing so myself, because I don't need to, but you can put 
 Windows on a Mac.  You could have both Macintosh programs and Windows on your 
 Mac.  I've heard it runs Windows faster than other computers.  I hope all 
 this helps, and happy researching.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Jasmine Kotsay jasmine.kot...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Unfortunately, I'm not going to be in programming or networking.  I'm trying 
 to get my teaching credentials in a few years, so I'm not sure what kind of 
 computer to get in the future.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Louie P.  (Pete) Nalda lpna...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:21:12 -0500
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 I think that the biggest difference you'll have is a slight learning curve 
 using VoiceOver as opposed to Jaws or other Windows screenreaders.  I myself, 
 am not the one to ask, but do invite others with hands on both sides to give 
 you more details.  As for compatibility with things like blackboard and Word, 
 again, I'm not sure, as I worked in Electronic publishing in school, and most 
 of our machines were macs, and I'm more of a Zoom user than a VO user, except 
 when my eyes fatigue.  If you're going into programming or networking, I feel 
 the mac is a nice choice because you have BSD Unix built right in, and if 
 need be, can work directly from

Hello


Dear Listers,

My name is Jasmine, and I am extremely new to the list.
I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what differences 
they find in the Mac computers vs Windows computers? I'm trying 
to figure out which type of computer I would like to get next.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Sincerely,
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Re: Hello

2011-11-01 Thread Teresa Cochran

Hi, Jasmine,

Welcome to the list. Well, your question opens a huge can of worms. Where do 
you want to start? What do you want to do with your computer. If you're used to 
using Windows, are there applications that you simply need to use in Windows? 
Keep in mind that you can use Windows on a Mac with some frequency once you set 
it up. The Mac is extremely accessible, but also extremely different from 
Windows, and involves quite a learning curve. If you're up for an adventure in 
learning a new screen-reader and operating system, then you'll have fun 
switching. I pretty much jumped right in, with the help of a book, from OReilly 
media, Switching to the Mac.

Take care,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

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 My name is Jasmine, and I am extremely new to the list.
 I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what differences they find in 
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Re: Hello


Hi,
Well, I'm going to college, and I would need to do a lot of 
wordprocessing on my computer.  I want a computer that will last 
long and not get viruses.  I don't mind the learning curve, 
because I love a challenge.  I just need a computer that will do 
at least most of what Windows can do.  I'm not familiar with how 
Macs work.  I've had a few minutes to try OfoiceOver, but it was 
the little thing on the computer that shows you how to use voice 
over.


- Original Message -
From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:26:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Hello

Hi, Jasmine,

Welcome to the list.  Well, your question opens a huge can of 
worms.  Where do you want to start? What do you want to do with 
your computer.  If you're used to using Windows, are there 
applications that you simply need to use in Windows? Keep in mind 
that you can use Windows on a Mac with some frequency once you 
set it up.  The Mac is extremely accessible, but also extremely 
different from Windows, and involves quite a learning curve.  If 
you're up for an adventure in learning a new screen-reader and 
operating system, then you'll have fun switching.  I pretty much 
jumped right in, with the help of a book, from OReilly media, 
Switching to the Mac.


Take care,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

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My name is Jasmine, and I am extremely new to the list.
I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what differences 
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Re: Hello

2011-11-01 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Jasmine!
Welcome!
OK do not let anyone sell you windows office for Mac!
It is not accessible with vo!
So save your money [or there's] :]
hth Colin

On 1 Nov 2011, at 22:34, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

 Hi,
 Well, I'm going to college, and I would need to do a lot of wordprocessing on 
 my computer.  I want a computer that will last long and not get viruses.  I 
 don't mind the learning curve, because I love a challenge.  I just need a 
 computer that will do at least most of what Windows can do.  I'm not familiar 
 with how Macs work.  I've had a few minutes to try OfoiceOver, but it was the 
 little thing on the computer that shows you how to use voice over.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:26:39 -0700
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 Hi, Jasmine,
 
 Welcome to the list.  Well, your question opens a huge can of worms.  Where 
 do you want to start? What do you want to do with your computer.  If you're 
 used to using Windows, are there applications that you simply need to use in 
 Windows? Keep in mind that you can use Windows on a Mac with some frequency 
 once you set it up.  The Mac is extremely accessible, but also extremely 
 different from Windows, and involves quite a learning curve.  If you're up 
 for an adventure in learning a new screen-reader and operating system, then 
 you'll have fun switching.  I pretty much jumped right in, with the help of a 
 book, from OReilly media, Switching to the Mac.
 
 Take care,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Dear Listers,
 
 My name is Jasmine, and I am extremely new to the list.
 I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what differences they find in 
 the Mac computers vs Windows computers? I'm trying to figure out which type 
 of computer I would like to get next.
 Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Re: Hello

Thank you!

- Original Message -
From: Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:46:00 +
Subject: Re: Hello

Hi Jasmine!
Welcome!
OK do not let anyone sell you windows office for Mac!
It is not accessible with vo!
So save your money [or there's] :]
hth Colin

On 1 Nov 2011, at 22:34, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

Hi,
Well, I'm going to college, and I would need to do a lot of 
wordprocessing on my computer.  I want a computer that will last 
long and not get viruses.  I don't mind the learning curve, 
because I love a challenge.  I just need a computer that will do 
at least most of what Windows can do.  I'm not familiar with how 
Macs work.  I've had a few minutes to try OfoiceOver, but it was 
the little thing on the computer that shows you how to use voice 
over.

- Original Message -
From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:26:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Hello

Hi, Jasmine,

Welcome to the list.  Well, your question opens a huge can of 
worms.  Where do you want to start? What do you want to do with 
your computer.  If you're used to using Windows, are there 
applications that you simply need to use in Windows? Keep in mind 
that you can use Windows on a Mac with some frequency once you 
set it up.  The Mac is extremely accessible, but also extremely 
different from Windows, and involves quite a learning curve.  If 
you're up for an adventure in learning a new screen-reader and 
operating system, then you'll have fun switching.  I pretty much 
jumped right in, with the help of a book, from OReilly media, 
Switching to the Mac.

Take care,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

Dear Listers,

My name is Jasmine, and I am extremely new to the list.
I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what differences 
they find in the Mac computers vs Windows computers? I'm trying 
to figure out which type of computer I would like to get next.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Sincerely,
Jasmine

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Re: Hello

2011-11-01 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Jasmine!
Three options for word processing are
Pages, Open office and Nisus Writer pro!
And of course you will have text edit on your Mac!
If you can look in the archives for word processors you should find info about 
them there!
hth Colin

On 1 Nov 2011, at 23:12, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

 Thank you!
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:46:00 +
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 Hi Jasmine!
 Welcome!
 OK do not let anyone sell you windows office for Mac!
 It is not accessible with vo!
 So save your money [or there's] :]
 hth Colin
 
 On 1 Nov 2011, at 22:34, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Well, I'm going to college, and I would need to do a lot of word processing 
 on my computer.  I want a computer that will last long and not get viruses.  
 I don't mind the learning curve, because I love a challenge.  I just need a 
 computer that will do at least most of what Windows can do.  I'm not familiar 
 with how Macs work.  I've had a few minutes to try Of voiceOver, but it was 
 the little thing on the computer that shows you how to use voice over.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:26:39 -0700
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 Hi, Jasmine,
 
 Welcome to the list.  Well, your question opens a huge can of worms.  Where 
 do you want to start? What do you want to do with your computer.  If you're 
 used to using Windows, are there applications that you simply need to use in 
 Windows? Keep in mind that you can use Windows on a Mac with some frequency 
 once you set it up.  The Mac is extremely accessible, but also extremely 
 different from Windows, and involves quite a learning curve.  If you're up 
 for an adventure in learning a new screen-reader and operating system, then 
 you'll have fun switching.  I pretty much jumped right in, with the help of a 
 book, from OReilly media, Switching to the Mac.
 
 Take care,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Dear Listers,
 
 My name is Jasmine, and I am extremely new to the list.
 I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what differences they find in 
 the Mac computers vs Windows computers? I'm trying to figure out which type 
 of computer I would like to get next.
 Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Re: Hello

Hi,
Where can I find archives that you mentioned?

- Original Message -
From: Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:40:43 +
Subject: Re: Hello

Hi Jasmine!
Three options for word processing are
Pages, Open office and Nisus Writer pro!
And of course you will have text edit on your Mac!
If you can look in the archives for word processors you should 
find info about them there!

hth Colin

On 1 Nov 2011, at 23:12, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

Thank you!

- Original Message -
From: Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:46:00 +
Subject: Re: Hello

Hi Jasmine!
Welcome!
OK do not let anyone sell you windows office for Mac!
It is not accessible with vo!
So save your money [or there's] :]
hth Colin

On 1 Nov 2011, at 22:34, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

Hi,
Well, I'm going to college, and I would need to do a lot of word 
processing on my computer.  I want a computer that will last long 
and not get viruses.  I don't mind the learning curve, because I 
love a challenge.  I just need a computer that will do at least 
most of what Windows can do.  I'm not familiar with how Macs 
work.  I've had a few minutes to try Of voiceOver, but it was the 
little thing on the computer that shows you how to use voice 
over.

- Original Message -
From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:26:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Hello

Hi, Jasmine,

Welcome to the list.  Well, your question opens a huge can of 
worms.  Where do you want to start? What do you want to do with 
your computer.  If you're used to using Windows, are there 
applications that you simply need to use in Windows? Keep in mind 
that you can use Windows on a Mac with some frequency once you 
set it up.  The Mac is extremely accessible, but also extremely 
different from Windows, and involves quite a learning curve.  If 
you're up for an adventure in learning a new screen-reader and 
operating system, then you'll have fun switching.  I pretty much 
jumped right in, with the help of a book, from OReilly media, 
Switching to the Mac.

Take care,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

Dear Listers,

My name is Jasmine, and I am extremely new to the list.
I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what differences 
they find in the Mac computers vs Windows computers? I'm trying 
to figure out which type of computer I would like to get next.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Sincerely,
Jasmine

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Re: Hello

2011-11-01 Thread Jennifer Perdue

Hi,

I can't answer most of your questions as I am a novice at the mac myself, but I 
will tell you that you will like it once you get the hang of it.  

The only thing I really know how to do is some e-mail and some safari stuff.  I 
wish you the best and I hope you like it as much as I do.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Nov 1, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

 Hi,
 Well, I'm going to college, and I would need to do a lot of wordprocessing on 
 my computer.  I want a computer that will last long and not get viruses.  I 
 don't mind the learning curve, because I love a challenge.  I just need a 
 computer that will do at least most of what Windows can do.  I'm not familiar 
 with how Macs work.  I've had a few minutes to try OfoiceOver, but it was the 
 little thing on the computer that shows you how to use voice over.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:26:39 -0700
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 Hi, Jasmine,
 
 Welcome to the list.  Well, your question opens a huge can of worms.  Where 
 do you want to start? What do you want to do with your computer.  If you're 
 used to using Windows, are there applications that you simply need to use in 
 Windows? Keep in mind that you can use Windows on a Mac with some frequency 
 once you set it up.  The Mac is extremely accessible, but also extremely 
 different from Windows, and involves quite a learning curve.  If you're up 
 for an adventure in learning a new screen-reader and operating system, then 
 you'll have fun switching.  I pretty much jumped right in, with the help of a 
 book, from OReilly media, Switching to the Mac.
 
 Take care,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Dear Listers,
 
 My name is Jasmine, and I am extremely new to the list.
 I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what differences they find in 
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Re: Hello

2011-11-01 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Jasmine!
At the bottom of these message's is some links!
Sit on the more options one and open vo+shift+m and select open link!
That should take you to the place to find out!
[That's assuming ] your using a Mac!
But that link will take you there!
hth Colin

On 1 Nov 2011, at 23:51, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

 Hi,
 Where can I find archives that you mentioned?
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:40:43 +
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 Hi Jasmine!
 Three options for word processing are
 Pages, Open office and Nisus Writer pro!
 And of course you will have text edit on your Mac!
 If you can look in the archives for word processors you should find info 
 about them there!
 hth Colin
 
 On 1 Nov 2011, at 23:12, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Thank you!
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:46:00 +
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 Hi Jasmine!
 Welcome!
 OK do not let anyone sell you windows office for Mac!
 It is not accessible with vo!
 So save your money [or there's] :]
 hth Colin
 
 On 1 Nov 2011, at 22:34, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Well, I'm going to college, and I would need to do a lot of word processing 
 on my computer.  I want a computer that will last long and not get viruses.  
 I don't mind the learning curve, because I love a challenge.  I just need a 
 computer that will do at least most of what Windows can do.  I'm not familiar 
 with how Macs work.  I've had a few minutes to try Of voiceOver, but it was 
 the little thing on the computer that shows you how to use voice over.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:26:39 -0700
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 Hi, Jasmine,
 
 Welcome to the list.  Well, your question opens a huge can of worms.  Where 
 do you want to start? What do you want to do with your computer.  If you're 
 used to using Windows, are there applications that you simply need to use in 
 Windows? Keep in mind that you can use Windows on a Mac with some frequency 
 once you set it up.  The Mac is extremely accessible, but also extremely 
 different from Windows, and involves quite a learning curve.  If you're up 
 for an adventure in learning a new screen-reader and operating system, then 
 you'll have fun switching.  I pretty much jumped right in, with the help of a 
 book, from OReilly media, Switching to the Mac.
 
 Take care,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Dear Listers,
 
 My name is Jasmine, and I am extremely new to the list.
 I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what differences they find in 
 the Mac computers vs Windows computers? I'm trying to figure out which type 
 of computer I would like to get next.
 Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
 Sincerely,
 Jasmine
 
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2011-11-01 Thread Louie P. (Pete) Nalda

I think that the biggest difference you'll have is a slight learning curve 
using VoiceOver as opposed to Jaws or other Windows screenreaders.  I myself, 
am not the one to ask, but do invite others with hands on both sides to give 
you more details.  As for compatibility with things like blackboard and Word, 
again, I'm not sure, as I worked in Electronic publishing in school, and most 
of our machines were macs, and I'm more of a Zoom user than a VO user, except 
when my eyes fatigue.  If you're going into programming or networking, I feel 
the mac is a nice choice because you have BSD Unix built right in, and if need 
be, can work directly from the terminal.


On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:05 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I can't answer most of your questions as I am a novice at the mac myself, but 
 I will tell you that you will like it once you get the hang of it.  
 
 The only thing I really know how to do is some e-mail and some safari stuff.  
 I wish you the best and I hope you like it as much as I do.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Nov 1, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Well, I'm going to college, and I would need to do a lot of wordprocessing 
 on my computer.  I want a computer that will last long and not get viruses.  
 I don't mind the learning curve, because I love a challenge.  I just need a 
 computer that will do at least most of what Windows can do.  I'm not 
 familiar with how Macs work.  I've had a few minutes to try OfoiceOver, but 
 it was the little thing on the computer that shows you how to use voice over.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:26:39 -0700
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 Hi, Jasmine,
 
 Welcome to the list.  Well, your question opens a huge can of worms.  Where 
 do you want to start? What do you want to do with your computer.  If you're 
 used to using Windows, are there applications that you simply need to use in 
 Windows? Keep in mind that you can use Windows on a Mac with some frequency 
 once you set it up.  The Mac is extremely accessible, but also extremely 
 different from Windows, and involves quite a learning curve.  If you're up 
 for an adventure in learning a new screen-reader and operating system, then 
 you'll have fun switching.  I pretty much jumped right in, with the help of 
 a book, from OReilly media, Switching to the Mac.
 
 Take care,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Dear Listers,
 
 My name is Jasmine, and I am extremely new to the list.
 I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what differences they find in 
 the Mac computers vs Windows computers? I'm trying to figure out which type 
 of computer I would like to get next.
 Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
 Sincerely,
 Jasmine
 
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Re: Hello

Hi,
Unfortunately, I'm not going to be in programming or networking.  
I'm trying to get my teaching credentials in a few years, so I'm 
not sure what kind of computer to get in the future.

- Original Message -
From: Louie P.  (Pete) Nalda lpna...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:21:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Hello

I think that the biggest difference you'll have is a slight 
learning curve using VoiceOver as opposed to Jaws or other 
Windows screenreaders.  I myself, am not the one to ask, but do 
invite others with hands on both sides to give you more details.  
As for compatibility with things like blackboard and Word, again, 
I'm not sure, as I worked in Electronic publishing in school, and 
most of our machines were macs, and I'm more of a Zoom user than 
a VO user, except when my eyes fatigue.  If you're going into 
programming or networking, I feel the mac is a nice choice 
because you have BSD Unix built right in, and if need be, can 
work directly from the terminal.

On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:05 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

Hi,

I can't answer most of your questions as I am a novice at the 
mac myself, but I will tell you that you will like it once you 
get the hang of it.

The only thing I really know how to do is some e-mail and some 
safari stuff.  I wish you the best and I hope you like it as much 
as I do.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Nov 1, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

Hi,
Well, I'm going to college, and I would need to do a lot of 
wordprocessing on my computer.  I want a computer that will last 
long and not get viruses.  I don't mind the learning curve, 
because I love a challenge.  I just need a computer that will do 
at least most of what Windows can do.  I'm not familiar with how 
Macs work.  I've had a few minutes to try OfoiceOver, but it was 
the little thing on the computer that shows you how to use voice 
over.

- Original Message -
From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:26:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Hello

Hi, Jasmine,

Welcome to the list.  Well, your question opens a huge can of 
worms.  Where do you want to start? What do you want to do with 
your computer.  If you're used to using Windows, are there 
applications that you simply need to use in Windows? Keep in mind 
that you can use Windows on a Mac with some frequency once you 
set it up.  The Mac is extremely accessible, but also extremely 
different from Windows, and involves quite a learning curve.  If 
you're up for an adventure in learning a new screen-reader and 
operating system, then you'll have fun switching.  I pretty much 
jumped right in, with the help of a book, from OReilly media, 
Switching to the Mac.

Take care,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

Dear Listers,

My name is Jasmine, and I am extremely new to the list.
I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what differences 
they find in the Mac computers vs Windows computers? I'm trying 
to figure out which type of computer I would like to get next.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Sincerely,
Jasmine

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2011-11-01 Thread Louie P. (Pete) Nalda

Well, there used to be a time when there were a lot of macs in the school 
system, I'd imagine, in some ways there are still.

On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

 Hi,
 Unfortunately, I'm not going to be in programming or networking.  I'm trying 
 to get my teaching credentials in a few years, so I'm not sure what kind of 
 computer to get in the future.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Louie P.  (Pete) Nalda lpna...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:21:12 -0500
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 I think that the biggest difference you'll have is a slight learning curve 
 using VoiceOver as opposed to Jaws or other Windows screenreaders.  I myself, 
 am not the one to ask, but do invite others with hands on both sides to give 
 you more details.  As for compatibility with things like blackboard and Word, 
 again, I'm not sure, as I worked in Electronic publishing in school, and most 
 of our machines were macs, and I'm more of a Zoom user than a VO user, except 
 when my eyes fatigue.  If you're going into programming or networking, I feel 
 the mac is a nice choice because you have BSD Unix built right in, and if 
 need be, can work directly from the terminal.
 
 
 On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:05 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I can't answer most of your questions as I am a novice at the mac myself, but 
 I will tell you that you will like it once you get the hang of it.
 
 The only thing I really know how to do is some e-mail and some safari stuff.  
 I wish you the best and I hope you like it as much as I do.
 
 Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
 On Nov 1, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Well, I'm going to college, and I would need to do a lot of wordprocessing on 
 my computer.  I want a computer that will last long and not get viruses.  I 
 don't mind the learning curve, because I love a challenge.  I just need a 
 computer that will do at least most of what Windows can do.  I'm not familiar 
 with how Macs work.  I've had a few minutes to try OfoiceOver, but it was the 
 little thing on the computer that shows you how to use voice over.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:26:39 -0700
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 Hi, Jasmine,
 
 Welcome to the list.  Well, your question opens a huge can of worms.  Where 
 do you want to start? What do you want to do with your computer.  If you're 
 used to using Windows, are there applications that you simply need to use in 
 Windows? Keep in mind that you can use Windows on a Mac with some frequency 
 once you set it up.  The Mac is extremely accessible, but also extremely 
 different from Windows, and involves quite a learning curve.  If you're up 
 for an adventure in learning a new screen-reader and operating system, then 
 you'll have fun switching.  I pretty much jumped right in, with the help of a 
 book, from OReilly media, Switching to the Mac.
 
 Take care,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Dear Listers,
 
 My name is Jasmine, and I am extremely new to the list.
 I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what differences they find in 
 the Mac computers vs Windows computers? I'm trying to figure out which type 
 of computer I would like to get next.
 Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
 Sincerely,
 Jasmine
 
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Re: Hello

2011-11-01 Thread Louie P. (Pete) Nalda

I think the archives can be found by going to the more options link at the 
bottom of the links section, or from the main page at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/


On Nov 1, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:

 Hi,
 Where can I find archives that you mentioned?
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:40:43 +
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 Hi Jasmine!
 Three options for word processing are
 Pages, Open office and Nisus Writer pro!
 And of course you will have text edit on your Mac!
 If you can look in the archives for word processors you should find info 
 about them there!
 hth Colin
 
 On 1 Nov 2011, at 23:12, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Thank you!
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:46:00 +
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 Hi Jasmine!
 Welcome!
 OK do not let anyone sell you windows office for Mac!
 It is not accessible with vo!
 So save your money [or there's] :]
 hth Colin
 
 On 1 Nov 2011, at 22:34, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Well, I'm going to college, and I would need to do a lot of word processing 
 on my computer.  I want a computer that will last long and not get viruses.  
 I don't mind the learning curve, because I love a challenge.  I just need a 
 computer that will do at least most of what Windows can do.  I'm not familiar 
 with how Macs work.  I've had a few minutes to try Of voiceOver, but it was 
 the little thing on the computer that shows you how to use voice over.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:26:39 -0700
 Subject: Re: Hello
 
 Hi, Jasmine,
 
 Welcome to the list.  Well, your question opens a huge can of worms.  Where 
 do you want to start? What do you want to do with your computer.  If you're 
 used to using Windows, are there applications that you simply need to use in 
 Windows? Keep in mind that you can use Windows on a Mac with some frequency 
 once you set it up.  The Mac is extremely accessible, but also extremely 
 different from Windows, and involves quite a learning curve.  If you're up 
 for an adventure in learning a new screen-reader and operating system, then 
 you'll have fun switching.  I pretty much jumped right in, with the help of a 
 book, from OReilly media, Switching to the Mac.
 
 Take care,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
 
 Dear Listers,
 
 My name is Jasmine, and I am extremely new to the list.
 I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what differences they find in 
 the Mac computers vs Windows computers? I'm trying to figure out which type 
 of computer I would like to get next.
 Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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 Jasmine
 
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