Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
No, the server just uses a second disk in place of the optical drive or, in recent models, in the empty space where the optical drive once was (silly Apple!). However, there are no longer Mac Mini servers; they’re all Core I5 desktops now. I think Apple just aren’t interested in that segment anymore, sadly. I have my 2012 model and am very happy I have it. It has two Apple-approved SSDs and a Core I7. It’s running Linux, because Apple now think servers should be delivered as apps on the App Store for use on desktops too and now the server is pretty hopeless. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
While an electrical engineer might find some difference, for most people the audio is the same on all Mac models. Disappointing about the lack of a quad core mini. Didn't realize Apple slipped that in. They are on newer CPUs now which are, per CPU, faster but if you're doing something CPU intensive like encoding audio or the like the new machines will be slower than the older quad core boxes. Wonder what the story behind the backsliding is? Maybe the mini machines are based on the same design as the MacBook Air laptops motherboards which are only dual core. I'm sure they do that for battery life but for a mini desktop that's not really a concern. They also went to soldered-on RAM so you can't upgrade after purchase (also like the Air). CB On 7/27/15 2:29 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! You’re probably right about that. BUt i am going to use my new mac when i got one for music production just for fun though but if i can afford a mac mini server that would be great. Are there any differences in audio hardware on the server compared to the mac mini? A mac pro is sadly out of budget unless some extreemly rich person would sponsor me *lol*. /A 27 juli 2015 kl. 11:11 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com: If you want raw performance, the 2012 quad-core twin-SSD server is still a better bet. For reasons best known to Apple, current Mac Minis simply don’t have a quad-core option. I think that’s a crying shame, personally, because it makes the newer Mac Mini a great deal less suitable as a headless server. My cynical mind says this is because Apple just wants to sell more iMac or, for a server, more Mac Pro. Still, for your typical home uses, that’s not really a problem. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Hi Percy Nice hearing from you! As you probably realize I am now using an iPhone. I've had it for a year. How are you and your quadraped doing? Marie Fixed income, hell mine is broken Sent from my iPhone On Jul 26, 2015, at 6:43 PM, percygarrett percygarr...@sw.rr.com wrote: Yes Marie. I use a Mac mini augmented with Dell periphials. Although my Mac mini doesn't require a monitor, I use aDell monitor and keyboard. I use an external CD drive and an Epson printer. Percy - Original Message - From: Marie Lyons To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:11 AM Subject: Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini I have been using Dell computers for years and have my keyboard and monitor. Does anyone know if you can use them with the Mac mini? I am thinking about abandoning Windows for some type of mac. Marie Fixed income, hell mine is broken Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, your friend is better off buying a MacBook Air. The only thing that is in the box when you buy the Mac Mini is the Mac Mini with chord. There is no keyboard, no decent speaker, no monitor, and, if your friend is used to an iPhone, they will need a trackpad as well. VO on the Mac can be confusing, even if you know VO from the iPhone or other devices. If your friend wants to learn a Mac, then they are better off with an Air. Everything is included. But, honestly, your friend should just stick with Windows if they aren’t comfortable with big change. Windows 8/10 is a smaller change than moving to a mac would be. HTH, Aleeha On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to theGoogle Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Hi! You’re probably right about that. BUt i am going to use my new mac when i got one for music production just for fun though but if i can afford a mac mini server that would be great. Are there any differences in audio hardware on the server compared to the mac mini? A mac pro is sadly out of budget unless some extreemly rich person would sponsor me *lol*. /A 27 juli 2015 kl. 11:11 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com: If you want raw performance, the 2012 quad-core twin-SSD server is still a better bet. For reasons best known to Apple, current Mac Minis simply don’t have a quad-core option. I think that’s a crying shame, personally, because it makes the newer Mac Mini a great deal less suitable as a headless server. My cynical mind says this is because Apple just wants to sell more iMac or, for a server, more Mac Pro. Still, for your typical home uses, that’s not really a problem. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Saint Alden is doing great Marie. We have been working well together over the years. He thenks that he is the only saint in the church house. How is the music world going with you? Have you made CD Baby your music distributer? A friend of mine did that and now her music is being sold worldwide. They distributed her music to major stores, Itunes, Amazon and several other sales outlets. Since you are enjoying the Iphone, the MAC computer will also be a great joy to you. Take care and enjoy the rest of the summer season. Percy - Original Message - From: Marie Lyons To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini Hi Percy Nice hearing from you! As you probably realize I am now using an iPhone. I've had it for a year. How are you and your quadraped doing? Marie Fixed income, hell mine is broken Sent from my iPhone On Jul 26, 2015, at 6:43 PM, percygarrett percygarr...@sw.rr.com wrote: Yes Marie. I use a Mac mini augmented with Dell periphials. Although my Mac mini doesn't require a monitor, I use aDell monitor and keyboard. I use an external CD drive and an Epson printer. Percy - Original Message - From: Marie Lyons To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:11 AM Subject: Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini I have been using Dell computers for years and have my keyboard and monitor. Does anyone know if you can use them with the Mac mini? I am thinking about abandoning Windows for some type of mac. Marie Fixed income, hell mine is broken Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, your friend is better off buying a MacBook Air. The only thing that is in the box when you buy the Mac Mini is the Mac Mini with chord. There is no keyboard, no decent speaker, no monitor, and, if your friend is used to an iPhone, they will need a trackpad as well. VO on the Mac can be confusing, even if you know VO from the iPhone or other devices. If your friend wants to learn a Mac, then they are better off with an Air. Everything is included. But, honestly, your friend should just stick with Windows if they aren’t comfortable with big change. Windows 8/10 is a smaller change than moving to a mac would be. HTH, Aleeha On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
If you want raw performance, the 2012 quad-core twin-SSD server is still a better bet. For reasons best known to Apple, current Mac Minis simply don’t have a quad-core option. I think that’s a crying shame, personally, because it makes the newer Mac Mini a great deal less suitable as a headless server. My cynical mind says this is because Apple just wants to sell more iMac or, for a server, more Mac Pro. Still, for your typical home uses, that’s not really a problem. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
I have been using Dell computers for years and have my keyboard and monitor. Does anyone know if you can use them with the Mac mini? I am thinking about abandoning Windows for some type of mac. Marie Fixed income, hell mine is broken Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, your friend is better off buying a MacBook Air. The only thing that is in the box when you buy the Mac Mini is the Mac Mini with chord. There is no keyboard, no decent speaker, no monitor, and, if your friend is used to an iPhone, they will need a trackpad as well. VO on the Mac can be confusing, even if you know VO from the iPhone or other devices. If your friend wants to learn a Mac, then they are better off with an Air. Everything is included. But, honestly, your friend should just stick with Windows if they aren’t comfortable with big change. Windows 8/10 is a smaller change than moving to a mac would be. HTH, Aleeha On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
I have both the 2012 and 2014 model, and the 2012 model is not faster than the 2014 model. They just replaced the cores with doul cores, instead of quad cores, but it is much faster plus I use SSD hard drives on both, so that have something to do with the speed. On Jul 26, 2015, at 12:27 PM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! You can actually design your mac when ordering it from apple store. So you can have a similar processor or higher on the air too if you want but it will cost you more too. I don’t know how about the newer mac mini but from what i’ve learned you get less speed from the newer mac mini than the older once. /A 24 juli 2015 kl. 17:41 skrev Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options,
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
I'd take the keyboard and the monitor to the Apple store and try them both out on the Mac to make sure. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 26, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Marie Lyons mlyons...@gmail.com wrote: I have been using Dell computers for years and have my keyboard and monitor. Does anyone know if you can use them with the Mac mini? I am thinking about abandoning Windows for some type of mac. Marie Fixed income, hell mine is broken Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, your friend is better off buying a MacBook Air. The only thing that is in the box when you buy the Mac Mini is the Mac Mini with chord. There is no keyboard, no decent speaker, no monitor, and, if your friend is used to an iPhone, they will need a trackpad as well. VO on the Mac can be confusing, even if you know VO from the iPhone or other devices. If your friend wants to learn a Mac, then they are better off with an Air. Everything is included. But, honestly, your friend should just stick with Windows if they aren’t comfortable with big change. Windows 8/10 is a smaller change than moving to a mac would be. HTH, Aleeha On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Yes Marie. I use a Mac mini augmented with Dell periphials. Although my Mac mini doesn't require a monitor, I use aDell monitor and keyboard. I use an external CD drive and an Epson printer. Percy - Original Message - From: Marie Lyons To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:11 AM Subject: Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini I have been using Dell computers for years and have my keyboard and monitor. Does anyone know if you can use them with the Mac mini? I am thinking about abandoning Windows for some type of mac. Marie Fixed income, hell mine is broken Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, your friend is better off buying a MacBook Air. The only thing that is in the box when you buy the Mac Mini is the Mac Mini with chord. There is no keyboard, no decent speaker, no monitor, and, if your friend is used to an iPhone, they will need a trackpad as well. VO on the Mac can be confusing, even if you know VO from the iPhone or other devices. If your friend wants to learn a Mac, then they are better off with an Air. Everything is included. But, honestly, your friend should just stick with Windows if they aren’t comfortable with big change. Windows 8/10 is a smaller change than moving to a mac would be. HTH, Aleeha On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Hi! You can actually design your mac when ordering it from apple store. So you can have a similar processor or higher on the air too if you want but it will cost you more too. I don’t know how about the newer mac mini but from what i’ve learned you get less speed from the newer mac mini than the older once. /A 24 juli 2015 kl. 17:41 skrev Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Well, what I've done in the mean time, is use an app that sends the mac's video to an iPhone. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:03 AM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: Hello, yes that is what I have done as well just works. On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:10, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote: Since the MacMini can be connected viah HDMI cable, you can go grab a HDTV 19 or 22 inches, maybe smaller for less than 150 bucks. Works like a charm. I don't even use my HDTV for this, but it is hooked up viah HDMI cable just in case I need sited help with something, witch is very rare since the mac rocks on accessibliity. Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came with an old HP desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. I've got it plugged into the mac via the VGA adaptor plugged into the thunderbult plug on the Mini. The mac will not recognize the display, saying unknown display in system preferences then displays. I looked on the Apple support forum and that HP monitor was specifically made for Windows. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
My Mac mini is about 8 years old but I used it without a monitor for the first 7 years I had it. Way back in the original version, leopard maybe, it had problems running without a monitor. But once I upgraded it to snow leopard, it had no problems. Maybe they re-introduced the problems though. I can't say for sure. I now use my Mac mini only as a amazon movie player so it has a monitor connected all the time. I would also question the advice to get a Macbook Air. Why pay for a monitor you don't need? You can borrow a monitor for the few times you need sighted assistance. On 07/24/2015 11:19 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: The mac operating system does behave a bit more like a windows classic interface as opposed to windows 8 which I think is much harder to get around in. I know there are programs you can get to make windos 8 look more like windows 7, but, honestly, if you have to use a program just to make an operating system easier to use, it's probably not an operating system worth using. For the mac mini, you can get an adapter called the fit headless that will connect to the hdmi port and this will avoid the need for a monitor. Original message: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Very similar story at my end: belligerent XP user won’t move because he just can’t see any point and everything he already has works, except half the web which he just avoids. I disagree with those saying it’s an obvious jump to later versions of Windows. Notwithstanding that there’s still a curve, and the general decline of keyboard and screen reader accessibility since XP, I can’t help thinking that if you’re going to change you may as well change to a platform of your preference rather than simply continuing to pedal the treadmill. For example, somebody opposed to ribbons may prefer OS X for its menus. Quite a lot has changed in Windows since XP; perhaps changing platform is more than just the screen reader. Even somebody with limited patience will be happy to learn something they see as more appropriate and amenable to their needs. The Mac Mini is a nice machine, and it can be made to work well standalone, but especially since the removal of the quad-core version I tend to agree with the person who said you may as well go for an Air. For a first Mac experience, it’s going to make a far better impression, too. The Mini can be for later, when the spec bump is worth the slight inconvenience of not having a monitor and not having the portability, though perhaps a more powerful machine (an iMac) would be on the cards if they were really committed. JMO, of course. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Yes. But for someone without a monitor its a very good app. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:31 PM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: Ok, sorry must be getting mixed up. please explain what this app does? I thought it let you run a mac mini with no display connected? but now it would seem you have to have your I phone switched on so it can send the video is this correct? I would not really want to have to do this as like now my phone is switched off I just have my mac mini connected to the TV with a long HDMI leed and have the telly off and it just works. thanks in advance. On 25/07/2015 21:25, Devin Prater wrote: Duet Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2015, at 2:33 PM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: OK, not that interested but know someone who might what is the name of that app please? thanks in advance. On 25 Jul 2015, at 14:40, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Well, what I've done in the mean time, is use an app that sends the mac's video to an iPhone. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:03 AM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: Hello, yes that is what I have done as well just works. On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:10, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote: Since the MacMini can be connected viah HDMI cable, you can go grab a HDTV 19 or 22 inches, maybe smaller for less than 150 bucks. Works like a charm. I don't even use my HDTV for this, but it is hooked up viah HDMI cable just in case I need sited help with something, witch is very rare since the mac rocks on accessibliity. Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came with an old HP desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. I've got it plugged into the mac via the VGA adaptor plugged into the thunderbult plug on the Mini. The mac will not recognize the display, saying unknown display in system preferences then displays. I looked on the Apple support forum and that HP monitor was specifically made for Windows. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Ok, sorry must be getting mixed up. please explain what this app does? I thought it let you run a mac mini with no display connected? but now it would seem you have to have your I phone switched on so it can send the video is this correct? I would not really want to have to do this as like now my phone is switched off I just have my mac mini connected to the TV with a long HDMI leed and have the telly off and it just works. thanks in advance. On 25/07/2015 21:25, Devin Prater wrote: Duet Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2015, at 2:33 PM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: OK, not that interested but know someone who might what is the name of that app please? thanks in advance. On 25 Jul 2015, at 14:40, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Well, what I've done in the mean time, is use an app that sends the mac's video to an iPhone. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:03 AM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: Hello, yes that is what I have done as well just works. On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:10, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote: Since the MacMini can be connected viah HDMI cable, you can go grab a HDTV 19 or 22 inches, maybe smaller for less than 150 bucks. Works like a charm. I don't even use my HDTV for this, but it is hooked up viah HDMI cable just in case I need sited help with something, witch is very rare since the mac rocks on accessibliity. Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came with an old HP desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. I've got it plugged into the mac via the VGA adaptor plugged into the thunderbult plug on the Mini. The mac will not recognize the display, saying unknown display in system preferences then displays. I looked on the Apple support forum and that HP monitor was specifically made for Windows. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
OK, not that interested but know someone who might what is the name of that app please? thanks in advance. On 25 Jul 2015, at 14:40, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Well, what I've done in the mean time, is use an app that sends the mac's video to an iPhone. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:03 AM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: Hello, yes that is what I have done as well just works. On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:10, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote: Since the MacMini can be connected viah HDMI cable, you can go grab a HDTV 19 or 22 inches, maybe smaller for less than 150 bucks. Works like a charm. I don't even use my HDTV for this, but it is hooked up viah HDMI cable just in case I need sited help with something, witch is very rare since the mac rocks on accessibliity. Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came with an old HP desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. I've got it plugged into the mac via the VGA adaptor plugged into the thunderbult plug on the Mini. The mac will not recognize the display, saying unknown display in system preferences then displays. I looked on the Apple support forum and that HP monitor was specifically made for Windows. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Duet Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2015, at 2:33 PM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: OK, not that interested but know someone who might what is the name of that app please? thanks in advance. On 25 Jul 2015, at 14:40, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Well, what I've done in the mean time, is use an app that sends the mac's video to an iPhone. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2015, at 6:03 AM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: Hello, yes that is what I have done as well just works. On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:10, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote: Since the MacMini can be connected viah HDMI cable, you can go grab a HDTV 19 or 22 inches, maybe smaller for less than 150 bucks. Works like a charm. I don't even use my HDTV for this, but it is hooked up viah HDMI cable just in case I need sited help with something, witch is very rare since the mac rocks on accessibliity. Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came with an old HP desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. I've got it plugged into the mac via the VGA adaptor plugged into the thunderbult plug on the Mini. The mac will not recognize the display, saying unknown display in system preferences then displays. I looked on the Apple support forum and that HP monitor was specifically made for Windows. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
I agree with that as well. Furthermore, the Mac OS does not change its UI and UX every version or so. Apple, unlike Microsoft, has learned that users would rather not learn a literally new OS every upgrade. Sure, additions like the Doc in Os X was new, but it didn't take changing the Finder into a touch panel to add the Doc. Also, Apple doesn't change so much that it has to virtually, literally, take back what it said Windows 10 as opposed to 8. Also, if your friend speaks une autre langue, excuse my French, he will have plenty of other choices to choose from on the Mac, all for free. From Arabic to Vietnamese, OS X has the multilingual user covered. If your friend wants to cool down after his purchase of his Mac and not spend so much money on apps, all he must do is look in the Applications folder and there will be plenty of apps to rule the day, from a calculator music-creation studeo, terminal for the older generation of computing, and text based games I might add, iTunes for all his musical desires, and even a chess game for the gifted gamer. All of these apps and the chess game are completely, and yes utterly accessible to the point that a blind person can even command thine chess pieces to do thy will. pawn a6 to a7. Anyway, I hope this helps someone, I just spent 15 minutes of my life typing away on braille screen input, all on my iPhone. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2015, at 5:23 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote: Very similar story at my end: belligerent XP user won’t move because he just can’t see any point and everything he already has works, except half the web which he just avoids. I disagree with those saying it’s an obvious jump to later versions of Windows. Notwithstanding that there’s still a curve, and the general decline of keyboard and screen reader accessibility since XP, I can’t help thinking that if you’re going to change you may as well change to a platform of your preference rather than simply continuing to pedal the treadmill. For example, somebody opposed to ribbons may prefer OS X for its menus. Quite a lot has changed in Windows since XP; perhaps changing platform is more than just the screen reader. Even somebody with limited patience will be happy to learn something they see as more appropriate and amenable to their needs. The Mac Mini is a nice machine, and it can be made to work well standalone, but especially since the removal of the quad-core version I tend to agree with the person who said you may as well go for an Air. For a first Mac experience, it’s going to make a far better impression, too. The Mini can be for later, when the spec bump is worth the slight inconvenience of not having a monitor and not having the portability, though perhaps a more powerful machine (an iMac) would be on the cards if they were really committed. JMO, of course. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Hello, yes that is what I have done as well just works. On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:10, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote: Since the MacMini can be connected viah HDMI cable, you can go grab a HDTV 19 or 22 inches, maybe smaller for less than 150 bucks. Works like a charm. I don't even use my HDTV for this, but it is hooked up viah HDMI cable just in case I need sited help with something, witch is very rare since the mac rocks on accessibliity. Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came with an old HP desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. I've got it plugged into the mac via the VGA adaptor plugged into the thunderbult plug on the Mini. The mac will not recognize the display, saying unknown display in system preferences then displays. I looked on the Apple support forum and that HP monitor was specifically made for Windows. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --
Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Hi Mary, I asked these questions out of total ignorance, as I have not worked with a mini. Other than physical size, does it have the same type of processor and/or horse power as would have even an MBP? I am in no way trying to discourage my friend from the Mack OS as far as quality. I just know what kind of patients he has. I also know in someways his attention span is not what it would take to sit down and really learn and work with the OS. Currently, his computer is his lifeline as he has no TV cable service. He uses it for all communication, news, etc. Pam Francis On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
I have owned the MacBook Pro, and the MacBook air, and I now own the macmini, have been using it for almost 3 years. And I wouldnt trade it for either the pro or the air. 1. I can do everything from my phone that I can do on my Mac. 2. I have a bt keybord, and bt headset, so I am not confined to my desk, so I guess you can say I have a make shift pro or air, but much lighter. I use the logitech 811, and it works beautifully. It goes for about 80 bucks, but there are other options that are much cheaper. 3. The macmini does provide a lot of processor and hard drive space, to me you get more bang for your buck. I sold all my PC's computers 5 years ago before I got my first iMac, and taught myself the mac cold turkey, no windows machine to fall back on if I got frustrated. And once I got the hang of it. It gets easier the more you use it. I am still learning, but I would never go back to PC if someone gave me one. Now I still have to use it for work, but home personal stuff is mac all the way. I run a apple support group myself, and will send you that info later. But the 1 thing to tell your friend, is learning the mac will be like learning a whole new system, nothing about windows and Mac is the same at all. Good luck, and hope this helped you. Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
The mac operating system does behave a bit more like a windows classic interface as opposed to windows 8 which I think is much harder to get around in. I know there are programs you can get to make windos 8 look more like windows 7, but, honestly, if you have to use a program just to make an operating system easier to use, it's probably not an operating system worth using. For the mac mini, you can get an adapter called the fit headless that will connect to the hdmi port and this will avoid the need for a monitor. Original message: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Honestly, your friend is better off buying a MacBook Air. The only thing that is in the box when you buy the Mac Mini is the Mac Mini with chord. There is no keyboard, no decent speaker, no monitor, and, if your friend is used to an iPhone, they will need a trackpad as well. VO on the Mac can be confusing, even if you know VO from the iPhone or other devices. If your friend wants to learn a Mac, then they are better off with an Air. Everything is included. But, honestly, your friend should just stick with Windows if they aren’t comfortable with big change. Windows 8/10 is a smaller change than moving to a mac would be. HTH, Aleeha On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Thanks much, I told him as much. Pam Francis On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, your friend is better off buying a MacBook Air. The only thing that is in the box when you buy the Mac Mini is the Mac Mini with chord. There is no keyboard, no decent speaker, no monitor, and, if your friend is used to an iPhone, they will need a trackpad as well. VO on the Mac can be confusing, even if you know VO from the iPhone or other devices. If your friend wants to learn a Mac, then they are better off with an Air. Everything is included. But, honestly, your friend should just stick with Windows if they aren’t comfortable with big change. Windows 8/10 is a smaller change than moving to a mac would be. HTH, Aleeha On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
My friend is currently using the station playlist software in order to broadcast on an Internet station. He claims he knows someone who uses a Mac to broadcast with accessible software. I also have another friend who is beta testing broadcast software for the Mac. However it is a long ways from being in production to my knowledge. If you guys don't mind, I will forward this threadh to him without your names or emails. Thank you guys ever so much for your feedback. Pam Francis On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, your friend is better off buying a MacBook Air. The only thing that is in the box when you buy the Mac Mini is the Mac Mini with chord. There is no keyboard, no decent speaker, no monitor, and, if your friend is used to an iPhone, they will need a trackpad as well. VO on the Mac can be confusing, even if you know VO from the iPhone or other devices. If your friend wants to learn a Mac, then they are better off with an Air. Everything is included. But, honestly, your friend should just stick with Windows if they aren’t comfortable with big change. Windows 8/10 is a smaller change than moving to a mac would be. HTH, Aleeha On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came with an old HP desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. I've got it plugged into the mac via the VGA adaptor plugged into the thunderbult plug on the Mini. The mac will not recognize the display, saying unknown display in system preferences then displays. I looked on the Apple support forum and that HP monitor was specifically made for Windows. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Hi Pam and All, I agree with you, Mary. The OS on a Mac whatever is nothing like using Windows and I'm not sure what classic view is. For me, I needed the portability of the Air because I travel a lot for my work. I have used the PC OS since 1989 until approximately 2 years ago when I ventured into the Mac world. Pam, for me, the learning curve was huge, but I seemed to master the Mac OS in about 3 months. It's not to say that I'm not learning something new everyday because I am. Because I need certain software programs including Office 2010, I installed Window 8.1 into BootCamp. I needed to have access to a word processor that I am familiar with, Duxbury, and Money Talks, which I can print out, checks. If only there was a Mac version of the above mentioned that had the same functionality, I would ditch the Windows environment altogether. The last comment I'll make on all of this is that the learning curve with JAWS and Windows 8.1 was minor to learning how voiceover interfaced with the Mac OS. I hope this helps your friend Pam in making an informed decision. Good luck on the decision process. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hello folks, Your candid feedback is priceless both pro con. I am eternally grateful to all of you. I'm constantly reminded as to why I joined this group. Thank you many times over. Pam Francis On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote: I have owned the MacBook Pro, and the MacBook air, and I now own the macmini, have been using it for almost 3 years. And I wouldnt trade it for either the pro or the air. 1. I can do everything from my phone that I can do on my Mac. 2. I have a bt keybord, and bt headset, so I am not confined to my desk, so I guess you can say I have a make shift pro or air, but much lighter. I use the logitech 811, and it works beautifully. It goes for about 80 bucks, but there are other options that are much cheaper. 3. The macmini does provide a lot of processor and hard drive space, to me you get more bang for your buck. I sold all my PC's computers 5 years ago before I got my first iMac, and taught myself the mac cold turkey, no windows machine to fall back on if I got frustrated. And once I got the hang of it. It gets easier the more you use it. I am still learning, but I would never go back to PC if someone gave me one. Now I still have to use it for work, but home personal stuff is mac all the way. I run a apple support group myself, and will send you that info later. But the 1 thing to tell your friend, is learning the mac will be like learning a whole new system, nothing about windows and Mac is the same at all. Good luck, and hope this helped you. Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The mac interface is -nothing- like classic windows. On 7/24/2015 12:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: The mac operating system does behave a bit more like a windows classic interface as opposed to windows 8 which I think is much harder to get around in. I know there are programs you can get to make windos 8 look more like windows 7, but, honestly, if you have to use a program just to make an operating system easier to use, it's probably not an operating system worth using. For the mac mini, you can get an adapter called the fit headless that will connect to the hdmi port and this will avoid the need for a monitor. Original message: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. - -- Take care, Ty twitter: @sorressean web:http://tysdomain.com pubkey: http://tysdomain.com/files/pubkey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVsm18AAoJEAdP60+BYxej3AYH/16g1XcUhc2y8jQ+cR15swRF Rt3g7esuGpVpDFajjFBy60vnpk5BdIpQMPOupEhVYXyyUEkfxR9eH6zZRqBc134o 9IPC6XpqN7zd2HilUduIbaGW5bl9OAvvQ26KVHhrj2ip8lg9K8C9kMSxJaPAY3QS Lkw8tnHRv89MDG7WEJAJDBZPI9Ln5r30v9eDCld2rP90QUQn1UubNWdBsiF6tld3 nVA2oxSZZ4GSlmuB6wSilIWFhE93botJClmAmlBo1JnI1j7tGY4z/dan8hbmCoOp NxtL3dBUftSlACIx455Am8MPjkT/JMOLplxrP/RjNJN4XTsAsjq6OJgynB8kDIU= =BWw5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this
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Hello folks, Your candid feedback is priceless both pro con. I am eternally grateful to all of you. I'm constantly reminded as to why I joined this group. Thank you many times over. Pam Francis On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote: I have owned the MacBook Pro, and the MacBook air, and I now own the macmini, have been using it for almost 3 years. And I wouldnt trade it for either the pro or the air. 1. I can do everything from my phone that I can do on my Mac. 2. I have a bt keybord, and bt headset, so I am not confined to my desk, so I guess you can say I have a make shift pro or air, but much lighter. I use the logitech 811, and it works beautifully. It goes for about 80 bucks, but there are other options that are much cheaper. 3. The macmini does provide a lot of processor and hard drive space, to me you get more bang for your buck. I sold all my PC's computers 5 years ago before I got my first iMac, and taught myself the mac cold turkey, no windows machine to fall back on if I got frustrated. And once I got the hang of it. It gets easier the more you use it. I am still learning, but I would never go back to PC if someone gave me one. Now I still have to use it for work, but home personal stuff is mac all the way. I run a apple support group myself, and will send you that info later. But the 1 thing to tell your friend, is learning the mac will be like learning a whole new system, nothing about windows and Mac is the same at all. Good luck, and hope this helped you. Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group
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Hi Pam, In my original post, I miss spoke about arrow keys and the mini. I meant a complete set of those command option and control keys. If you have issues using your left hand for all of the voiceover key things, that could be important, and in order to get those set of keys you need a full keyboard. I honestly do not know about the MBP, as I have not kept up with it. I know it is more powerful than the air, of course, and I also know that you can upgrade a mini to get more and better storage and more RAM. But I don't know about the prices. For me, it seems like the big deal with the pro is the display. And as a blind person, I don't care. Of course I know it does have a better processor. But for all that money, I am quite sure I would have a mini, not an MBP.still, if your friend is happy with his screen reader, upgrading to Windows 7 or eight is probably a better thing, because you can get a Windows PC cheaper than a Mac, and because he already has some familiarity with the screen reader and with windows, although there are substantial changes between XP and Windows 8 or windows 10. I still have an old windows XP machine that I use for certain things, such as Kurzweil and braille and bossing. When that dies, that will be very sad for me. Smile. All in all, I think the best thing is probably like others have said, for your friend to look into upgrading windows rather than changing operating systems. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:57 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mary, I asked these questions out of total ignorance, as I have not worked with a mini. Other than physical size, does it have the same type of processor and/or horse power as would have even an MBP? I am in no way trying to discourage my friend from the Mack OS as far as quality. I just know what kind of patients he has. I also know in someways his attention span is not what it would take to sit down and really learn and work with the OS. Currently, his computer is his lifeline as he has no TV cable service. He uses it for all communication, news, etc. Pam Francis On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
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there is a cord included with the MacMini Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, your friend is better off buying a MacBook Air. The only thing that is in the box when you buy the Mac Mini is the Mac Mini with chord. There is no keyboard, no decent speaker, no monitor, and, if your friend is used to an iPhone, they will need a trackpad as well. VO on the Mac can be confusing, even if you know VO from the iPhone or other devices. If your friend wants to learn a Mac, then they are better off with an Air. Everything is included. But, honestly, your friend should just stick with Windows if they aren’t comfortable with big change. Windows 8/10 is a smaller change than moving to a mac would be. HTH, Aleeha On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
The Mac mini has a speaker but it isn't very nice. It's a judgement call but I'd say he would need speakers. And he'd need a keyboard. If he doesn't use a monitor on his Windows machine, he won't need one for his Mac mini. The problem would be that if he needs sighted assistance, he'd have no monitor around to use. I am thinking of buying my wife the Windows equivalent of a Mac Mini. Right now we are using a very old Mac mini as an entertainment center. But she is a little uncomfortable with the operating system, just like your friend. I am thinking of replacing it with a micro PC and installing nvda formyself. Here is an article about these things: http://www.computershopper.com/holidayguide/2014/top-10-the-best-small-pcs On 07/24/2015 07:49 AM, Pamela Francis wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
I recently migrated from a windows vista machine to an Apple mini; and is the Fleetwood Mac song says never going back again. music can be played from the Mac Mini using the software package called nice to send the stream to the web and DJ, you implement these with iTunes. I should say however, I am a retired software engineer and I'm very comfortable with technology and the changes that go along with all that. But I would like to also add, if your friend is depending on a screen reader that he needs to pay tribute to in order to get upgrades going with Apple is far and away are far, far better option. Voiceover is built into the operating system and never goes out of date with the current OS. - Bill - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: My friend is currently using the station playlist software in order to broadcast on an Internet station. He claims he knows someone who uses a Mac to broadcast with accessible software. I also have another friend who is beta testing broadcast software for the Mac. However it is a long ways from being in production to my knowledge. If you guys don't mind, I will forward this threadh to him without your names or emails. Thank you guys ever so much for your feedback. Pam Francis On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, your friend is better off buying a MacBook Air. The only thing that is in the box when you buy the Mac Mini is the Mac Mini with chord. There is no keyboard, no decent speaker, no monitor, and, if your friend is used to an iPhone, they will need a trackpad as well. VO on the Mac can be confusing, even if you know VO from the iPhone or other devices. If your friend wants to learn a Mac, then they are better off with an Air. Everything is included. But, honestly, your friend should just stick with Windows if they aren’t comfortable with big change. Windows 8/10 is a smaller change than moving to a mac would be. HTH, Aleeha On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
I totally agree. Classic windows, whatever that means, XP? Is nothing like the Mac. If somebody has a hard time learning new stuff, I think it is better to stick with a system that at least has the potential to look like something you are familiar with. I certainly did not experience the Mac has anything like windows. I still don't. Interaction is case in point number one. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The mac interface is -nothing- like classic windows. On 7/24/2015 12:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: The mac operating system does behave a bit more like a windows classic interface as opposed to windows 8 which I think is much harder to get around in. I know there are programs you can get to make windos 8 look more like windows 7, but, honestly, if you have to use a program just to make an operating system easier to use, it's probably not an operating system worth using. For the mac mini, you can get an adapter called the fit headless that will connect to the hdmi port and this will avoid the need for a monitor. Original message: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. - -- Take care, Ty twitter: @sorressean web:http://tysdomain.com pubkey: http://tysdomain.com/files/pubkey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVsm18AAoJEAdP60+BYxej3AYH/16g1XcUhc2y8jQ+cR15swRF Rt3g7esuGpVpDFajjFBy60vnpk5BdIpQMPOupEhVYXyyUEkfxR9eH6zZRqBc134o 9IPC6XpqN7zd2HilUduIbaGW5bl9OAvvQ26KVHhrj2ip8lg9K8C9kMSxJaPAY3QS
Re: Pros and cons of a Mac mini
Since the MacMini can be connected viah HDMI cable, you can go grab a HDTV 19 or 22 inches, maybe smaller for less than 150 bucks. Works like a charm. I don't even use my HDTV for this, but it is hooked up viah HDMI cable just in case I need sited help with something, witch is very rare since the mac rocks on accessibliity. Transmitted from the Delta Quadrant On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Be careful about the monitor though. I have an HP monitor that came with an old HP desktop computer, and the monitor simply will not work. I've got it plugged into the mac via the VGA adaptor plugged into the thunderbult plug on the Mini. The mac will not recognize the display, saying unknown display in system preferences then displays. I looked on the Apple support forum and that HP monitor was specifically made for Windows. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pam, I think the advice you have gotten for your friend about sticking with Windows is probably good. However, I don't agree with the folks who say if you're going to buy, get an air, not a mini, and here's why. It is true that with a mini, you must buy a keyboard and speakers. And I think you still need a monitor, although those are cheap, and if he has a Windows machine with the monitor, he probably already has something that would work. The cost of the mini would probably come up to be about the cost of an air if you add those things in, depending on the price of the speakers of course. You would end up with better speakers, of course. You would also have the possibility of getting a full keyboard including the keypad, which does not come on the air. That gives you two sets of complete arrow keys plus the keypad which you can use with the keypad commander. Also, the mini is more powerful than the air, that is better processor more RAM more storage. So, unless portability is a big deal, I think the mini is a better thing. Maybe I'm prejudiced, because I have one. I would not trade it for an air, unless I needed that portability. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a friend who is considering purchasing a Mac mini. The basic reason for wanting the Mac Mini is cost. He also does not want to take the time to learn windows eight or windows 10. He's been stuck on Windows XP since long before support stopped last year. His only dealings with voiceover is with iOS devices along with his AppleTV. He is not one who does well with major change in electronics in his life. I don't want to turn this into an Apple versus Windows discussion other than to say I suggested he look for a Windows 7 machine because it was something that he is familiar with. My question for the group is this; other than the base cost, as I understand it of $699 for the Mac Mini, what are the auxiliary purchases needed in order to make it functional? If I'm correct, that does not include a screen, does it include a keyboard or speakers? I also know firsthand what it's like attempting to learn a new operating system and screen reader on your own. I had the patients. He does not. Thank God for this group. I would've been lost. I'm attempting to get him to join it before he makes his purchase. Any suggestions or help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Many many thanks, Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
