Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[David Tanner]

Well look at it this way, if looking at the front if your phone so the camera 
can see your face it you're ugly enough to break the phone maybe you should get 
rid of it anyway. Smile

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:21 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Kawal,
> 
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean,
> If you hold the phone with the front of it pointing at your face then the 
> face recognition would see your face 
> like hold the phone with the screen looking at you, surely you can do that 
> with some success?
> 
> As for voiceover reacting with face recognition 
> Well that's a good one,
> I'm guessing it will not do much other than alert you if the phone is 
> unlocked by talking, or say something like 
> Recognition not possible, 
> Similar to what the phone does already if your finger print isn't picked up.
> 
> If your really unlucky or it's set up well then it could make the comment,
> Your to ugly to use this device, please take it back to the store you got it 
> from!
> 
> Or, 
> You don't own this phone, give it back or I'll scream! 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2017 9:02 AM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
> 
> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face 
> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone at 
> one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
>> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics 
>> out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really 
>> come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can 
>> happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that 
>> have likely been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because 
>> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations 
>> where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, 
>> all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house 
>> I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a 
>> background check.   So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there 
>> in various clouds doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that 
>> put facial recognition in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do 
>> now.  All technology has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to 
>> do our own do diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, 
>> there’s so much conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some 
>> real conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em 
>> coming.
>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM Face it: Every new 
>>> Apple technology is a disaster Apple is expected to release a new 
>>> technology next month so you know what that means: it's time to worry 
>>> about how bad it will be.
>>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will 
>>> be. You will be.
>>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series 
>>> Star Trek. Don't @ me.
>>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you 
>>> should be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.) There are 
>>> few things more personal than a face.
>>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate 
>>> glass window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your 
>>> genome from memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your 
>>> spouse can hold hands for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
>>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your 
>>> left eye

Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Scott Granados]

Hi Kawal, I suspect it will be relatively easy you have some deviation ability 
in the pointing of the camera.

Also,
>  They could do a beeping deal like lining up a card in the viewer.


> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face 
> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone at 
> one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
>> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics 
>> out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really 
>> come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can 
>> happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that 
>> have likely been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because 
>> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations 
>> where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, 
>> all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house 
>> I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a 
>> background check.   So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there 
>> in various clouds doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that 
>> put facial recognition in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do 
>> now.  All technology has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to 
>> do our own do diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, 
>> there’s so much conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some 
>> real conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em 
>> coming.
>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
>>> Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
>>> Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
>>> that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
>>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
>>> will be.
>>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
>>> Trek. Don't @ me.
>>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
>>> be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
>>> There are few things more personal than a face.
>>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
>>> window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
>>> memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
>>> for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
>>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
>>> which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
>>> 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
>>> RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
>>> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
>>> be the preeminent key to your digital life.
>>> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
>>> what's the deal with avocado toast?
>>> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
>>> of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
>>> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
>>> describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
>>> as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
>>> appear anywhere in this article.
>>> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
>>> scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
>>> to making digital purchases.
>>> And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
>>> Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
>>> parties because that's their business model, right?
>>> This question is never addressed.
>>> Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
>>> pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
>>> same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
>>> who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
>>> "Once the always-on device gathers information, it may be available to many
>>> kinds of people, 

RE: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Simon Fogarty]

Kawal,

 I'm not sure I understand what you mean,
If you hold the phone with the front of it pointing at your face then the face 
recognition would see your face 
like hold the phone with the screen looking at you, surely you can do that with 
some success?

 As for voiceover reacting with face recognition 
Well that's a good one,
I'm guessing it will not do much other than alert you if the phone is unlocked 
by talking, or say something like 
Recognition not possible, 
Similar to what the phone does already if your finger print isn't picked up.

 If your really unlucky or it's set up well then it could make the comment,
 Your to ugly to use this device, please take it back to the store you got it 
from!

Or, 
You don't own this phone, give it back or I'll scream! 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2017 9:02 AM
To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face recognition? 
 My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone at one's face for 
the software to pick up that it was you?

Thanks.

Kawal.
> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics 
> out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really 
> come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can 
> happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that have 
> likely been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because 
> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations 
> where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, 
> all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house 
> I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a background 
> check.   So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there in various 
> clouds doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that put facial 
> recognition in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now.  All 
> technology has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to do our own 
> do diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, there’s so much 
> conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some real 
> conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em coming.
> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM Face it: Every new 
>> Apple technology is a disaster Apple is expected to release a new 
>> technology next month so you know what that means: it's time to worry 
>> about how bad it will be.
>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will 
>> be. You will be.
>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series 
>> Star Trek. Don't @ me.
>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you 
>> should be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.) There are 
>> few things more personal than a face.
>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate 
>> glass window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your 
>> genome from memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your 
>> spouse can hold hands for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your 
>> left eye which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in 
>> Singapore in 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that 
>> says "FREE MUSTACHE RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
>> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also 
>> soon be the preeminent key to your digital life.
>> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! 
>> Any-hoo, what's the deal with avocado toast?
>> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone 
>> makers of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
>> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave"

RE: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[gary-melconian]

Agree wwith you.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

I would really just rather just keep it stupid simple and keep the fingerprint 
sensor. I am not against them adding face reg but I like the fingerprint 
myself. It all ready works with my bank app and all with out needing an update.

On 8/30/17, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK. Will find out all of this when we find out, which is when Apple 
> decides to release the phone. I highly doubt the face recognition is 
> going to be based on pictures, it will most likely be infrared which 
> will be easier for people who can’t see it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face 
>> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the 
>> phone at one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Kawal.
>>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have 
>>> some tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and 
>>> scare tactics out there when past features were implemented, and did 
>>> the bad things really come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive 
>>> and believe that nothing can happen, but also don't jump on the 
>>> bandwagon freaking out at things that have likely been considered in 
>>> a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this 
>>> because I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly 
>>> secure locations where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, 
>>> eyes, hands, finger prints, all scanned and cross referenced.  When 
>>> I worked for a major financial house I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent 
>>> to the
>>> federal reserve for a background check.   So the idea that some
>>> biometrics of mine exist out there in various clouds doesn’t freak 
>>> me out.  I also worked for a company that put facial recognition in 
>>> stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now.  All technology 
>>> has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to do our own do 
>>> diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, there’s so 
>>> much conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some 
>>> real conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em 
>>> coming.
>>>
>>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM Face it: Every new 
>>>> Apple technology is a disaster Apple is expected to release a new 
>>>> technology next month so you know what that means: it's time to 
>>>> worry about how bad it will be.
>>>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be.
>>>> You
>>>> will be.
>>>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series 
>>>> Star Trek. Don't @ me.
>>>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you 
>>>> should be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.) There are 
>>>> few things more personal than a face.
>>>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate 
>>>> glass window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your 
>>>> genome from memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your 
>>>> spouse can hold hands for all eternity. Your groin. That's about 
>>>> it.
>>>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>>>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your 
>>>> left eye which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight 
>>>> in Singapore in 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo 
>>>> that says "FREE MUSTACHE RIDES". This is who you are, Ma

Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[lenron brown]

I would really just rather just keep it stupid simple and keep the
fingerprint sensor. I am not against them adding face reg but I like
the fingerprint myself. It all ready works with my bank app and all
with out needing an update.

On 8/30/17, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> OK. Will find out all of this when we find out, which is when Apple decides
> to release the phone. I highly doubt the face recognition is going to be
> based on pictures, it will most likely be infrared which will be easier for
> people who can’t see it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face
>> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone
>> at one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Kawal.
>>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some
>>> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare
>>> tactics out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad
>>> things really come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe
>>> that nothing can happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking
>>> out at things that have likely been considered in a very detailed manner
>>> by Apple developers.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because
>>> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure
>>> locations where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands,
>>> finger prints, all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a
>>> major financial house I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the
>>> federal reserve for a background check.   So the idea that some
>>> biometrics of mine exist out there in various clouds doesn’t freak me
>>> out.  I also worked for a company that put facial recognition in stores,
>>> the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now.  All technology has good and
>>> bad sides.  I like the comment we need to do our own do diligence.  I
>>> think that’s true.  It can be hard though, there’s so much conspiracy
>>> theory nonsense out there but then there are some real conspiracies to be
>>> careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em coming.
>>>
 On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

 Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
 Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
 Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know
 what
 that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
 Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be.
 You
 will be.
 That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
 Trek. Don't @ me.
 "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you
 should
 be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
 There are few things more personal than a face.
 A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate
 glass
 window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome
 from
 memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold
 hands
 for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
 Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
 That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left
 eye
 which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore
 in
 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE
 MUSTACHE
 RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
 Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also
 soon
 be the preeminent key to your digital life.
 At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha!
 Any-hoo,
 what's the deal with avocado toast?
 Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone
 makers
 of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
 You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is
 used to
 describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint
 safe
 as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does
 not
 appear anywhere in this article.
 Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make
 face
 scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking
 phones
 to making digital purchases.
 And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations,
 right?
 Like, they're all interested in getting your 

Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Daniel Miller]

OK. Will find out all of this when we find out, which is when Apple decides to 
release the phone. I highly doubt the face recognition is going to be based on 
pictures, it will most likely be infrared which will be easier for people who 
can’t see it.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face 
> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone at 
> one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
>> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics 
>> out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really 
>> come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can 
>> happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that 
>> have likely been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because 
>> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations 
>> where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, 
>> all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house 
>> I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a 
>> background check.   So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there 
>> in various clouds doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that 
>> put facial recognition in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do 
>> now.  All technology has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to 
>> do our own do diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, 
>> there’s so much conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some 
>> real conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em 
>> coming.
>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
>>> Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
>>> Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
>>> that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
>>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
>>> will be.
>>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
>>> Trek. Don't @ me.
>>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
>>> be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
>>> There are few things more personal than a face.
>>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
>>> window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
>>> memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
>>> for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
>>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
>>> which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
>>> 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
>>> RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
>>> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
>>> be the preeminent key to your digital life.
>>> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
>>> what's the deal with avocado toast?
>>> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
>>> of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
>>> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
>>> describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
>>> as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
>>> appear anywhere in this article.
>>> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
>>> scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
>>> to making digital purchases.
>>> And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
>>> Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
>>> parties because that's their business model, right?
>>> This question is never addressed.
>>> Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
>>> pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
>>> same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
>>> who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
>>> "Once the 

Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face recognition? 
 My other question is how is a VI person to point the phone at one's face for 
the software to pick up that it was you?

Thanks.

Kawal.
> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
> tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics 
> out there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really 
> come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can 
> happen, but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that have 
> likely been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because 
> I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations 
> where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, 
> all scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house 
> I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a background 
> check.   So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there in various 
> clouds doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that put facial 
> recognition in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now.  All 
> technology has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to do our own 
> do diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, there’s so much 
> conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some real 
> conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em coming.
> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
>> Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
>> Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
>> that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
>> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
>> will be.
>> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
>> Trek. Don't @ me.
>> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
>> be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
>> There are few things more personal than a face.
>> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
>> window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
>> memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
>> for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
>> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
>> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
>> which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
>> 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
>> RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
>> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
>> be the preeminent key to your digital life.
>> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
>> what's the deal with avocado toast?
>> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
>> of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
>> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
>> describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
>> as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
>> appear anywhere in this article.
>> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
>> scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
>> to making digital purchases.
>> And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
>> Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
>> parties because that's their business model, right?
>> This question is never addressed.
>> Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
>> pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
>> same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
>> who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
>> "Once the always-on device gathers information, it may be available to many
>> kinds of people, contrary to the user's intentions," Schwartz said.
>> "These include external data thieves, who may break into the device or the
>> data farm where content is stored; or internal employees of the company that
>> makes the device, who improperly misappropriate customer content; or the
>> police, by means of a subpoena or search warrant (depending on what the
>> 

Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have some 
tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and scare tactics out 
there when past features were implemented, and did the bad things really come 
to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive and believe that nothing can happen, 
but also don't jump on the bandwagon freaking out at things that have likely 
been considered in a very detailed manner by Apple developers.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados  wrote:

Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because I’ve 
worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations where 
your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, all 
scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house I had 
my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a background check.  
 So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there in various clouds 
doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that put facial recognition 
in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now.  All technology has 
good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to do our own do diligence.  I 
think that’s true.  It can be hard though, there’s so much conspiracy theory 
nonsense out there but then there are some real conspiracies to be careful of 
so there you go.  Great article, keep em coming.

> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
> Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
> Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
> that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
> will be.
> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
> Trek. Don't @ me.
> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
> be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
> There are few things more personal than a face.
> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
> window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
> memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
> for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
> which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
> 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
> RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
> be the preeminent key to your digital life.
> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
> what's the deal with avocado toast?
> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
> of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
> describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
> as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
> appear anywhere in this article.
> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
> scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
> to making digital purchases.
> And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
> Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
> parties because that's their business model, right?
> This question is never addressed.
> Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
> pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
> same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
> who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
> "Once the always-on device gathers information, it may be available to many
> kinds of people, contrary to the user's intentions," Schwartz said.
> "These include external data thieves, who may break into the device or the
> data farm where content is stored; or internal employees of the company that
> makes the device, who improperly misappropriate customer content; or the
> police, by means of a subpoena or search warrant (depending on what the
> police are demanding).
> Which company has the better track record on these? Biometric data on an
> iPhone is stored in the enclave which is paired with the sensor it validates
> against. Nothing is stored in a data farm. Also, Apple stood up to the FBI
> when it wanted to the unlock the phone of a terrorist. Pretty sure they'll
> probably stand up for you.
> None of this is worth mentioning, 

Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[Scott Granados]

Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this because I’ve 
worked for the government and for companies in highly secure locations where 
your face is scanned all the time.  Face, eyes, hands, finger prints, all 
scanned and cross referenced.  When I worked for a major financial house I had 
my hands scanned in 3D and sent to the federal reserve for a background check.  
 So the idea that some biometrics of mine exist out there in various clouds 
doesn’t freak me out.  I also worked for a company that put facial recognition 
in stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now.  All technology has 
good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to do our own do diligence.  I 
think that’s true.  It can be hard though, there’s so much conspiracy theory 
nonsense out there but then there are some real conspiracies to be careful of 
so there you go.  Great article, keep em coming.

> On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
> Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
> Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
> that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
> Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
> will be.
> That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
> Trek. Don't @ me.
> "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
> be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
> There are few things more personal than a face.
> A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
> window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
> memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
> for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
> Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
> That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
> which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
> 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
> RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
> Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
> be the preeminent key to your digital life.
> At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
> what's the deal with avocado toast?
> Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
> of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
> You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
> describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
> as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
> appear anywhere in this article.
> Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
> scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
> to making digital purchases.
> And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
> Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
> parties because that's their business model, right?
> This question is never addressed.
> Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
> pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
> same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
> who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
> "Once the always-on device gathers information, it may be available to many
> kinds of people, contrary to the user's intentions," Schwartz said.
> "These include external data thieves, who may break into the device or the
> data farm where content is stored; or internal employees of the company that
> makes the device, who improperly misappropriate customer content; or the
> police, by means of a subpoena or search warrant (depending on what the
> police are demanding).
> Which company has the better track record on these? Biometric data on an
> iPhone is stored in the enclave which is paired with the sensor it validates
> against. Nothing is stored in a data farm. Also, Apple stood up to the FBI
> when it wanted to the unlock the phone of a terrorist. Pretty sure they'll
> probably stand up for you.
> None of this is worth mentioning, though. We are to presume all these
> companies equally want eat your delicious face data.
> "Absolutely people should be concerned," said Schwartz. "What else is the
> company going to be doing with the face [scan]?"
> Apple? Nothing. They don't have it.
> Does this matter to you now? Maybe, maybe not. But it probably will when
> someone drains your bank account using nothing more than a photo they pulled
> off your Instagram account.
> Remember when the same kind of hacking was going to run rampant with Touch
> ID, which was a security disaster even though it was way better 

RE: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[David & his pack of dogs]

With every move forward of technology there is inherent problems.  Every time 
the bank updated their computers years ago, for the first week or so, there 
would be problems.  Even with stores, the common comment was, “We are having 
trouble with our computers.” As for whoever forecasted gloom and doom, if they 
won a million dollars, they’d probably complain it wasn’t enough. Thus, there 
creditably is worthless IMO and, I hope like he... they never go into grief 
counselling or suicide prevention. The fatality rate would shoot up 
drastically. 

 

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On Behalf Of the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com
Sent: August 29, 2017 4:15 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

 

I’m excited for this phone either way! 

 

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Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io <mailto:apple411+subscr...@groups.io> 
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On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 6:59 PM -0400, "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu 
<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> > wrote:

Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
will be.
That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
Trek. Don't @ me.
"Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
There are few things more personal than a face.
A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
be the preeminent key to your digital life.
At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
what's the deal with avocado toast?
Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
appear anywhere in this article.
Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
to making digital purchases.
And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
parties because that's their business model, right?
This question is never addressed.
Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
"Once the always-on device gathers information, it may be available to many
kinds of people, contrary to the user's intentions," Schwartz said. 
"These include external data thieves, who may break into the device or the
data farm where content is stored; or internal employees of the company that
makes the device, who improperly misappropriate customer content; or the
police, by means of a subpoena or search warrant (depending on what the
police are demanding).
Which company has the better track record on these? Biometric data on an
iPhone is stored in the enclave which is paired with the sensor it validates
against. Nothing is stored in a data farm. Also, Apple stood up to the FBI
when it wanted to the unlock the phone of a terrorist. Pretty sure they'll
probably stand up for you.
None of this is worth mentioning, though. We are to presume all these
companies equally want eat your delicious face data.
"Absolutely people should be concerned," said Schwartz. "What else is the
company going to be doing with the face [scan]?"
Apple? Nothing. They don't have it.
Does this matter to you now? Maybe, maybe not. But it probably will when
someone drains your bank

Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[the . big . apple . nerd]

I’m excited for this phone either way! 



Maria Reyes 
Owner of the following groups- 
Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io
iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com





On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 6:59 PM -0400, "M. Taylor"  wrote:










Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM
Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster
Apple is expected to release a new technology next month so you know what
that means: it's time to worry about how bad it will be.
Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be. You
will be.
That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series Star
Trek. Don't @ me.
"Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you should
be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.)
There are few things more personal than a face.
A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate glass
window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your genome from
memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your spouse can hold hands
for all eternity. Your groin. That's about it.
Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your left eye
which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight in Singapore in
1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo that says "FREE MUSTACHE
RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will also soon
be the preeminent key to your digital life.
At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha! Any-hoo,
what's the deal with avocado toast?
Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the smartphone makers
of the world seem all too excited to drag us into.
You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which is used to
describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep your fingerprint safe
as part of Touch ID and will certainly be used as part of Face ID, does not
appear anywhere in this article.
Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm are charging ahead to make face
scans the new biometric we'll rely on for everything from unlocking phones
to making digital purchases.
And presumably all these companies have the same set of motivations, right?
Like, they're all interested in getting your data and selling to third
parties because that's their business model, right?
This question is never addressed.
Apple is loudly berated for being behind the curve in AI because it won't
pull your data up to the cloud and use it to enhance its results. At the
same time, though, it's lumped in with the group of feckless data dealers
who prefer to think of it as "our" email rather than "your" email.
"Once the always-on device gathers information, it may be available to many
kinds of people, contrary to the user's intentions," Schwartz said. 
"These include external data thieves, who may break into the device or the
data farm where content is stored; or internal employees of the company that
makes the device, who improperly misappropriate customer content; or the
police, by means of a subpoena or search warrant (depending on what the
police are demanding).
Which company has the better track record on these? Biometric data on an
iPhone is stored in the enclave which is paired with the sensor it validates
against. Nothing is stored in a data farm. Also, Apple stood up to the FBI
when it wanted to the unlock the phone of a terrorist. Pretty sure they'll
probably stand up for you.
None of this is worth mentioning, though. We are to presume all these
companies equally want eat your delicious face data.
"Absolutely people should be concerned," said Schwartz. "What else is the
company going to be doing with the face [scan]?"
Apple? Nothing. They don't have it.
Does this matter to you now? Maybe, maybe not. But it probably will when
someone drains your bank account using nothing more than a photo they pulled
off your Instagram account.
Remember when the same kind of hacking was going to run rampant with Touch
ID, which was a security disaster even though it was way better than the
four-digit passcodes or no passcodes many people were using? Remember when
the Apple Watch was going to give us wrist cancer?
It is important to do proper due diligence on these technologies as they
come out. It is irresponsible, however, to run around telling people hackers
are going to use their selfies to steal their money. Look, if your bank
account is about to be emptied by the iPhone 8, it's not because of Face ID.

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