Re: Zoom Meetings

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I also generally get away with letting my screen reader chatter on my
Bose Q700. It's testimony to it's noise cancellation which phones have
to try and improve voice pickup and minimize environmental sounds for
any user. If there are lots of mics on the headset, the noise
cancellation can be quite excellent.

However, it doesn't always work. Some people have better hearing and
will hear that screen reader, or hear your typing as you click keys.
Some of these people won't care, but others can be very bothered by such
stuff.

Moral of the story: I prefer a headset that has mute/unmute right on the
headset in a form that confirms whether or not I'm muted. This can be
very important should you choose to go for a walk down the hall while
listening to your teleconference on your BT headset. Remember about that
Supreme Court hearing the other month in the U.S. where somebody forgot
about that part? It made national "hah hah good joke" news for a couple
days in the U.S. last month.

Best,

Janina

Simon A Fogarty writes:
> Says who?
> 
> My work colleagues couldn't hear my voiceover or jaws when using zoom with 
> out headphones.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2020 4:10 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Zoom Meetings
> 
> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
> inconsiderate.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
> > On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> > 
> > Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
> > a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
> > that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
> > to leave your hands free.
> > Dave Carlson
> > dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> > 
> > 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

I wonder if it does depend on version the last time I used Xoom on my Mac with 
AirPods people could still here the speech - if I muted my  audio when not 
speaking that stopped the problem I have recently updated zoom again and 
haven’t asked people about VO but will do in my next zoom meeting  

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 22:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> Interesting.  I tested this specifically prior to posting so that I could be 
> accurate.  I used both a Mac Pro and an iMac for the Mac side, and my iPad 
> Pro on the iPadOS side.  It did work exactly as I outlined.  I’d be 
> interested to hear about the settings that would cause this behaviour to do 
> other than I’ve mentioned.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> To rebut your clarification, when using Zoom on an iOS device, it has been my 
> experience that participants can hear VoiceOver loud and clear when someone 
> is not using headphones or a headset during a Zoom meeting .   
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in 
> a Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will 
> hear your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, 
> as VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
> participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able 
> to ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime 
> call.  Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with 
> Brad in recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on 
> your Mac.  It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
> and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not 
> professional quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin  > wrote:
> 
> Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
> YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on 
> Your MAC or iOS device?
> All suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
> MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!
> 
> Blessin's 
> At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>> I don't think so.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>>> can't.
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
 headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
 inconsiderate.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>>  > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
 meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
 might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
 is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
 call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
 reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
 unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
 in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
 
 If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
 can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
 could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
 again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson   > wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
> on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
> pointing that 

Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

If you can stretch to it the AirPods Pro are fab for noise cancelation  

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 20:30, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
> YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on 
> Your MAC or iOS device?
> All suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
> MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!
> 
> Blessin's 
> At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>> I don't think so.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>>> can't.
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
 headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
 inconsiderate.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>>  > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
 meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
 might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
 is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
 call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
 reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
 unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
 in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
 
 If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
 can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
 could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
 again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson   > wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
> on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
> pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone 
> propped in a way to leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

Interestingly this is not the case with ms teams people can not hear vo but 
they can with zoom 

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 20:15, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
> can't.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>> inconsiderate.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

It is nothing to do with headphones I use zoom with AirPods and people still 
hear voiceover 

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 17:10, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
> inconsiderate.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>> to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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RE: Zoom Meetings

[Simon A Fogarty]

Says who?

My work colleagues couldn't hear my voiceover or jaws when using zoom with out 
headphones.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2020 4:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Zoom Meetings

No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a headset. 
Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just inconsiderate.

- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:

Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the meeting 
host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you might want 
that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is the issue 
that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and they say it 
is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is to mute your 
mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you want to speak - 
you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but once you have done 
this it really is a good thing.

If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can be 
offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could help 
one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if people 
want it - although we do need to navigate time zones

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on a 
> Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing that 
> gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to 
> leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

And even less when the microphone is active.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 18:06, Robin  wrote:

Yeah, that's UnderStandAble because Apple's AirPods  give its Users about 4  
Hours or 5  Hours before  they need to be Charged, Right
At 02:06 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I find that when using AirPods in a Zoom meeting, the battery runs down 
> pretty quickly, where as I can get more than 8 hours of continuous use out of 
> my Bose QC-35ii headphones.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:47, Robin   > wrote:
> 
> Okay, Thanx 4  Respondin'Again! I'll try MyBose HeadSet on a  ZoomMeetin'
> 
> I wonder if Others have used any of the Followin':
> (on a  Zoom Meetin')
> Apple's Beats PowerBeats PRO
> Apple's AirPod PROs
> Bose 700 NoiseCancelation HeadSet
> Razer Nari Ultimate Gaming Wireless HeadSet
> 
> At 12:38 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>> I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS 
>> device and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not 
>> professional quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most 
>> situations. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin >  > wrote:
>> 
>> Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
>> YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on 
>> Your MAC or iOS device?
>> All suggestions are welcome.
>> 
>> Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
>> MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!
>> 
>> Blessin's 
>> At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>>> I don't think so.
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
 can't.
 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
> inconsiderate.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray   > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. 
> There is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on 
> the call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way 
> to reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to 
> temporarily unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this 
> feature is enabled in settings but once you have done this it really is a 
> good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >  > wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
>> on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that at the ca camera is 
>> properly pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the 
>> phone propped in a way to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Robin]

Yeah, that's UnderStandAble because Apple's 
AirPods  give its Users about 4  Hours or 
5  Hours before  they need to be Charged, Right

At 02:06 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
I find that when using AirPods in a Zoom 
meeting, the battery runs down pretty quickly, 
where as I can get more than 8 hours of 
continuous use out of my Bose QC-35ii headphones.


- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:47, Robin 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:


Okay, Thanx 4  Respondin'Again! I'll try MyBose HeadSet on a  ZoomMeetin'

I wonder if Others have used any of the Followin':
(on a  Zoom Meetin')
Apple's Beats PowerBeats PRO
Apple's AirPod PROs
Bose 700 NoiseCancelation HeadSet
Razer Nari Ultimate Gaming Wireless HeadSet

At 12:38 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can 
be used on both an iOS device and a Mac and 
provides good sound quality.  The microphone is 
not professional quality, but I am told it 
sounds pretty good in most situations.


- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net > wrote:


Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be 
Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when 
Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your MAC or iOS device?

All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & 
Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to MyMessage, as 
it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!


Blessin's
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:

I don't think so.

On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder 
<wb...@swbell.net> wrote:


They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud 
<lorice...@gmail.com> wrote:


I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad 
when I use it. they say they can't.


On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder 
<wb...@swbell.net> wrote:


No matter what platform you use, you should 
always use headphones or a headset. Forcing 
others on the call to hear your screen reader is just inconsiderate.


- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray 
<julierattra...@gmail.com > wrote:


Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you 
want to do etc if you are the meeting host 
then the Mac version gives more control and 
features so you might want that - the IPAd 
or phone versions are simpler interfaces. 
There is the issue that voiceover can be 
heard but I have asked others on the call 
and they say it is not really much much of a 
problem - one way to reduce this is to mute 
your mike and then use the space bar to 
temporarily unmute when you want to speak - 
you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.


If you let us know what kinds of things you 
want to do maybe more advice can be offered 
- Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of 
practice zooms so we could help one another 
out and that was really useful - happy to do 
that again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones


On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson 
<dgcarlson0...@gmail.com > wrote:


Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is 
less cluttered on an iPhone than on a Mac. 
It’s just holding the phone so that at 
the ca camera is properly pointing that 
gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have 
the phone propped in a way to leave your hands free.

Dave Carlson
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com



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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

Interesting. Perhaps this has been addressed in a recent zoom update. I'll test 
it and let you know what I find.

- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 16:45, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Brad,

Interesting.  I tested this specifically prior to posting so that I could be 
accurate.  I used both a Mac Pro and an iMac for the Mac side, and my iPad Pro 
on the iPadOS side.  It did work exactly as I outlined.  I’d be interested to 
hear about the settings that would cause this behaviour to do other than I’ve 
mentioned.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

To rebut your clarification, when using Zoom on an iOS device, it has been my 
experience that participants can hear VoiceOver loud and clear when someone is 
not using headphones or a headset during a Zoom meeting .   

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in a 
Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will hear 
your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, as 
VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able to 
ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime call.  
Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with Brad in 
recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on your Mac. 
 It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not professional 
quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin  wrote:

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your 
MAC or iOS device?
All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!

Blessin's 
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I don't think so.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>> can't.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>> inconsiderate.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
>>> in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>>> 
>>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
>>> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
>>> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
>>> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>>> 
 On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
 
 Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
 on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
 pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped 
 in a way to leave your hands free.
 Dave Carlson
 dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Brad,

Interesting.  I tested this specifically prior to posting so that I could be 
accurate.  I used both a Mac Pro and an iMac for the Mac side, and my iPad Pro 
on the iPadOS side.  It did work exactly as I outlined.  I’d be interested to 
hear about the settings that would cause this behaviour to do other than I’ve 
mentioned.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

To rebut your clarification, when using Zoom on an iOS device, it has been my 
experience that participants can hear VoiceOver loud and clear when someone is 
not using headphones or a headset during a Zoom meeting .   

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi,

An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in a 
Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will hear 
your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, as 
VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able to 
ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime call.  
Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with Brad in 
recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on your Mac. 
 It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not professional 
quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your 
MAC or iOS device?
All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!

Blessin's 
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I don't think so.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>> can't.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>> inconsiderate.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
>>> in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>>> 
>>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
>>> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
>>> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
>>> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>>> 
 On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>>  > wrote:
 
 Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
 on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
 pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped 
 in a way to leave your hands free.
 Dave Carlson
 dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

I find that when using AirPods in a Zoom meeting, the battery runs down pretty 
quickly, where as I can get more than 8 hours of continuous use out of my Bose 
QC-35ii headphones.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:47, Robin  wrote:

Okay, Thanx 4  Respondin'Again! I'll try MyBose HeadSet on a  ZoomMeetin'

I wonder if Others have used any of the Followin':
(on a  Zoom Meetin')
Apple's Beats PowerBeats PRO
Apple's AirPod PROs
Bose 700 NoiseCancelation HeadSet
Razer Nari Ultimate Gaming Wireless HeadSet

At 12:38 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
> and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not 
> professional quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin   > wrote:
> 
> Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
> YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on 
> Your MAC or iOS device?
> All suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
> MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!
> 
> Blessin's 
> At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>> I don't think so.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>>> can't.
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
 headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
 inconsiderate.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>>  > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
 meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
 might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
 is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
 call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
 reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
 unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
 in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
 
 If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
 can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
 could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
 again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson   > wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
> on a Mac. It̢۪s just holding the phone so that the ca camera is 
> properly pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the 
> phone propped in a way to leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

To rebut your clarification, when using Zoom on an iOS device, it has been my 
experience that participants can hear VoiceOver loud and clear when someone is 
not using headphones or a headset during a Zoom meeting .   

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in a 
Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will hear 
your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, as 
VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able to 
ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime call.  
Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with Brad in 
recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on your Mac. 
 It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not professional 
quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your 
MAC or iOS device?
All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!

Blessin's 
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I don't think so.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>> can't.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>> inconsiderate.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
>>> in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>>> 
>>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
>>> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
>>> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
>>> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>>> 
 On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>>  > wrote:
 
 Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
 on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
 pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped 
 in a way to leave your hands free.
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Robin]

Okay, Thanx 4  Respondin'Again! I'll try MyBose HeadSet on a  ZoomMeetin'

I wonder if Others have used any of the Followin':
(on a  Zoom Meetin')
Apple's Beats PowerBeats PRO
Apple's AirPod PROs
Bose 700 NoiseCancelation HeadSet
Razer Nari Ultimate Gaming Wireless HeadSet

At 12:38 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can 
be used on both an iOS device and a Mac and 
provides good sound quality.  The microphone is 
not professional quality, but I am told it 
sounds pretty good in most situations.


- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:


Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be 
Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when 
Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your MAC or iOS device?

All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & 
Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to MyMessage, as 
it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!


Blessin's
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:

I don't think so.

On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder 
<wb...@swbell.net> wrote:


They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud 
<lorice...@gmail.com> wrote:


I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad 
when I use it. they say they can't.


On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder 
<wb...@swbell.net> wrote:


No matter what platform you use, you should 
always use headphones or a headset. Forcing 
others on the call to hear your screen reader is just inconsiderate.


- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray 
<julierattra...@gmail.com > wrote:


Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want 
to do etc if you are the meeting host then 
the Mac version gives more control and 
features so you might want that - the IPAd or 
phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
is the issue that voiceover can be heard but 
I have asked others on the call and they say 
it is not really much much of a problem - one 
way to reduce this is to mute your mike and 
then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
when you want to speak - you need to ensure 
this feature is enabled in settings but once 
you have done this it really is a good thing.


If you let us know what kinds of things you 
want to do maybe more advice can be offered - 
Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice 
zooms so we could help one another out and 
that was really useful - happy to do that 
again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones


On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson 
<dgcarlson0...@gmail.com > wrote:


Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less 
cluttered on an iPhone than on a Mac. 
It̢۪s just holding the phone so that the 
ca camera is properly pointing that gets a 
bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the 
phone propped in a way to leave your hands free.

Dave Carlson
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com



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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I use my Beats X and they are also well received by people at the other end.

Later…


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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:44 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in a 
Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will hear 
your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, as 
VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able to 
ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime call.  
Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with Brad in 
recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on your Mac. 
 It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not professional 
quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your 
MAC or iOS device?
All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!

Blessin's 
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I don't think so.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>> can't.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>> inconsiderate.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
>>> in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>>> 
>>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
>>> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
>>> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
>>> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>>> 
 On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>>  > wrote:
 
 Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
 on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
 pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped 
 in a way to leave your hands free.
 Dave Carlson
 dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in a 
Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will hear 
your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, as 
VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able to 
ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime call.  
Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with Brad in 
recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on your Mac. 
 It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not professional 
quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your 
MAC or iOS device?
All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!

Blessin's 
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I don't think so.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>> can't.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>> inconsiderate.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
>>> in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>>> 
>>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
>>> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
>>> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
>>> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>>> 
 On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>>  > wrote:
 
 Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
 on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
 pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped 
 in a way to leave your hands free.
 Dave Carlson
 dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not professional 
quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin  wrote:

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your 
MAC or iOS device?
All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!

Blessin's 
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I don't think so.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>> can't.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>> inconsiderate.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
>>> in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>>> 
>>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
>>> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
>>> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
>>> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>>> 
 On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>>  > wrote:
 
 Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
 on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
 pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped 
 in a way to leave your hands free.
 Dave Carlson
 dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

True.  If you are just a participant, then silencing VO is not a problem.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:24, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

Yes, you are correct, as long as you are not needing VO speech to manage or 
participate in aspects of the meeting.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

The three-finger double tap can be very helpful when using Zoom on an iOS 
device.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi ET,

In my latest testing, even on iOS/iPadOS, the muting does not stop VO from 
announcing the chat messages.  I’m playing with VO settings, System settings 
and Zoom settings, and haven’t found any useful solution yet, other than 
turning off VO to turn them off.  that’a little drastic, but does the trick if 
you’re not participating in the chat or any other part that requires VO.

Still working on it though, so I’ll update if I have an epiphany.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:09 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Tim and all,
  Thanks for the feedback. Likely I will use the iPhone, and see how it goes.

  Can the chat notifications be disabled completely in settings? Then check for 
new chats manually? I may not get to testing for a while as I need to resolve a 
headache first. At least I now have a Zoom account.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/10/2020 10:46 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> oops, I lied.  Even when muting notifications on the iPad version, the chats 
> are still announced by VO.  At least, it was doing that in my latest tests.
> Later…
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>  >> wrote:
> I used my regular land line phone.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray >  > >> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>  >> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com  
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Robin]

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be 
Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending 
a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your MAC or iOS device?

All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & 
Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to MyMessage, as it's 
VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!


Blessin's
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:

I don't think so.

On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder 
<wb...@swbell.net> wrote:


They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud 
<lorice...@gmail.com> wrote:


I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad 
when I use it. they say they can't.


On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder 
<wb...@swbell.net> wrote:


No matter what platform you use, you should 
always use headphones or a headset. Forcing 
others on the call to hear your screen reader is just inconsiderate.


- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray 
<julierattra...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want 
to do etc if you are the meeting host then the 
Mac version gives more control and features so 
you might want that - the IPAd or phone 
versions are simpler interfaces. There is the 
issue that voiceover can be heard but I have 
asked others on the call and they say it is 
not really much much of a problem - one way to 
reduce this is to mute your mike and then use 
the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
want to speak - you need to ensure this 
feature is enabled in settings but once you 
have done this it really is a good thing.


If you let us know what kinds of things you 
want to do maybe more advice can be offered - 
Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice 
zooms so we could help one another out and 
that was really useful - happy to do that 
again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones


On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson 
<dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> wrote:


Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less 
cluttered on an iPhone than on a Mac. It’s 
just holding the phone so that the camera is 
properly pointing that gets a bit tiresome. 
Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to leave your hands free.

Dave Carlson
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com



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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Yes, you are correct, as long as you are not needing VO speech to manage or 
participate in aspects of the meeting.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

The three-finger double tap can be very helpful when using Zoom on an iOS 
device.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi ET,

In my latest testing, even on iOS/iPadOS, the muting does not stop VO from 
announcing the chat messages.  I’m playing with VO settings, System settings 
and Zoom settings, and haven’t found any useful solution yet, other than 
turning off VO to turn them off.  that’a little drastic, but does the trick if 
you’re not participating in the chat or any other part that requires VO.

Still working on it though, so I’ll update if I have an epiphany.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:09 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Tim and all,
  Thanks for the feedback. Likely I will use the iPhone, and see how it goes.

  Can the chat notifications be disabled completely in settings? Then check for 
new chats manually? I may not get to testing for a while as I need to resolve a 
headache first. At least I now have a Zoom account.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/10/2020 10:46 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> oops, I lied.  Even when muting notifications on the iPad version, the chats 
> are still announced by VO.  At least, it was doing that in my latest tests.
> Later…
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>  >> wrote:
> I used my regular land line phone.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray >  > >> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>  >> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com  
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

Tell yourself whatever you want to believe.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:21, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I don't think so.

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
> can't.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>> inconsiderate.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

The three-finger double tap can be very helpful when using Zoom on an iOS 
device.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi ET,

In my latest testing, even on iOS/iPadOS, the muting does not stop VO from 
announcing the chat messages.  I’m playing with VO settings, System settings 
and Zoom settings, and haven’t found any useful solution yet, other than 
turning off VO to turn them off.  that’a little drastic, but does the trick if 
you’re not participating in the chat or any other part that requires VO.

Still working on it though, so I’ll update if I have an epiphany.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:09 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Tim and all,
  Thanks for the feedback. Likely I will use the iPhone, and see how it goes.

  Can the chat notifications be disabled completely in settings? Then check for 
new chats manually? I may not get to testing for a while as I need to resolve a 
headache first. At least I now have a Zoom account.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/10/2020 10:46 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> oops, I lied.  Even when muting notifications on the iPad version, the chats 
> are still announced by VO.  At least, it was doing that in my latest tests.
> Later…
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>  >> wrote:
> I used my regular land line phone.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray >  > >> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>  >> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com  
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Lorie McCloud]

I don't think so.

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
> can't.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>> inconsiderate.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi ET,

In my latest testing, even on iOS/iPadOS, the muting does not stop VO from 
announcing the chat messages.  I’m playing with VO settings, System settings 
and Zoom settings, and haven’t found any useful solution yet, other than 
turning off VO to turn them off.  that’a little drastic, but does the trick if 
you’re not participating in the chat or any other part that requires VO.

Still working on it though, so I’ll update if I have an epiphany.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:09 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Tim and all,
  Thanks for the feedback. Likely I will use the iPhone, and see how it goes.

  Can the chat notifications be disabled completely in settings? Then check for 
new chats manually? I may not get to testing for a while as I need to resolve a 
headache first. At least I now have a Zoom account.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/10/2020 10:46 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> oops, I lied.  Even when muting notifications on the iPad version, the chats 
> are still announced by VO.  At least, it was doing that in my latest tests.
> Later…
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> I used my regular land line phone.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they can't.

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
> inconsiderate.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>> to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Tim and all,
   Thanks for the feedback. Likely I will use the iPhone, and see how 
it goes.


   Can the chat notifications be disabled completely in settings? Then 
check for new chats manually? I may not get to testing for a while as I 
need to resolve a headache first. At least I now have a Zoom account.


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On 6/10/2020 10:46 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

oops, I lied.  Even when muting notifications on the iPad version, the 
chats are still announced by VO.  At least, it was doing that in my 
latest tests.


Later…


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On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


I used my regular land line phone.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray > wrote:


Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so 
you might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler 
interfaces. There is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have 
asked others on the call and they say it is not really much much of a 
problem - one way to reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the 
space bar to temporarily unmute when you want to speak - you need to 
ensure this feature is enabled in settings but once you have done this 
it really is a good thing.


If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more 
advice can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice 
zooms so we could help one another out and that was really useful - 
happy to do that again if people want it - although we do need to 
navigate time zones


On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson > wrote:


Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone 
than on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is 
properly pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the 
phone propped in a way to leave your hands free.

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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Lorie McCloud]

I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they can't.

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
> inconsiderate.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>> to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   The Logitech K780 keyboard takes care of holding an iPhone or iPad 
nicely,


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On 6/10/2020 7:38 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on a 
Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing that 
gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to leave 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

oops, I lied.  Even when muting notifications on the iPad version, the chats 
are still announced by VO.  At least, it was doing that in my latest tests.

Later…


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I used my regular land line phone.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>> to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
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I used my regular land line phone.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>> to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

As already mentioned, it depends on whether you’re hosting or simply 
participating in a Zoom session as to whether the Mac or iOS/iPadOS version 
suits your needs as there are more features available on the Mac version.  One 
major concern from a VO user prospective is the announcing of chat messages.  
This is mutable on iOS/iPadOS whereas I’ve been unable to mute this on the Mac. 
 I have made my Zoom rep aware of this as well as submitted Zoom feedback 
regarding this.  Hopefully, they implement something in an update soon.  I, 
like many others, use headphones as it keeps things less noisy in my house for 
the rest of the clan, and others don’t need to hear my VO chattering away.  
There are, of course, situations where we’re playing family games via Zoom or 
other meeting platforms when I don’t use headphones, but do in most all 
professional sessions.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
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On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a headset. 
Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just inconsiderate.

- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:

Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the meeting 
host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you might want 
that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is the issue 
that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and they say it 
is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is to mute your 
mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you want to speak - 
you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but once you have done 
this it really is a good thing.

If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can be 
offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could help 
one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if people 
want it - although we do need to navigate time zones

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on a 
> Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing that 
> gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to 
> leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a headset. 
Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just inconsiderate.

- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:

Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the meeting 
host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you might want 
that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is the issue 
that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and they say it 
is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is to mute your 
mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you want to speak - 
you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but once you have done 
this it really is a good thing.

If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can be 
offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could help 
one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if people 
want it - although we do need to navigate time zones

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on a 
> Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing that 
> gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to 
> leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the meeting 
host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you might want 
that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is the issue 
that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and they say it 
is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is to mute your 
mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you want to speak - 
you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but once you have done 
this it really is a good thing.

If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can be 
offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could help 
one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if people 
want it - although we do need to navigate time zones

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on a 
> Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing that 
> gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to 
> leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Dave Carlson]

Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on a 
Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing that 
gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to leave 
your hands free.
Dave Carlson
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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

But on the Mac with voice over on and you are in a meeting the speech doesn’t 
stop yapping.  The only way I can get it to stop is to put Voice over in the 
chat panel menu.  Last night I was in a meeting and I tried sending messages to 
everyone, but the message kept going to individuals in the meeting.  The focus 
was dreadful.  So in case that person is on the list, I apologise for you 
getting messages.  I think it was someone called Tom.

Kawal.

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 13:48, Robert Carter  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> It depends on how you define better. The Mac app has more features and 
> whether or not you need or want those features depends on what you are doing 
> with Zoom. Both the iOS and Mac apps are fully accessible with VoiceOver.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2020, at 7:55 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Well now that there was quite a bit of discussion about Zoom that I did not 
>> follow, I may be trying it soon.
>> 
>>  Some basic questions. I will use Zoom either on the Mac or the iPhone. Has 
>> anyone found one better than the other? Any tips on using Zoom? Thanks much.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

It depends on how you define better. The Mac app has more features and whether 
or not you need or want those features depends on what you are doing with Zoom. 
Both the iOS and Mac apps are fully accessible with VoiceOver.

Robert Carter



> On Jun 9, 2020, at 7:55 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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>   Well now that there was quite a bit of discussion about Zoom that I did not 
> follow, I may be trying it soon.
> 
>   Some basic questions. I will use Zoom either on the Mac or the iPhone. Has 
> anyone found one better than the other? Any tips on using Zoom? Thanks much.
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RE: Zoom Meetings

[Simon A Fogarty]

To me the phone is better than the other.

-Original Message-
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To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Zoom Meetings

Well now that there was quite a bit of discussion about Zoom that I did not 
follow, I may be trying it soon.

Some basic questions. I will use Zoom either on the Mac or the iPhone. Has 
anyone found one better than the other? Any tips on using Zoom? Thanks much.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

I use a headset with my Mac mini.  A webcam is really not necessary.

- Brad -


On Jun 9, 2020, at 20:58, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

it's pretty easy to use Zoom on either one. I have a Mac moini so I don't have 
a camera or a microphone built in. if you want to participate instead of just 
listen you need those things. also I don't often have my video on but if I'm 
signed in there's a picture of me up there and that seems to satisfy most 
people.

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 7:55 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>  Well now that there was quite a bit of discussion about Zoom that I did not 
> follow, I may be trying it soon.
> 
>  Some basic questions. I will use Zoom either on the Mac or the iPhone. Has 
> anyone found one better than the other? Any tips on using Zoom? Thanks much.
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Lorie McCloud]

it's pretty easy to use Zoom on either one. I have a Mac moini so I don't have 
a camera or a microphone built in. if you want to participate instead of just 
listen you need those things. also I don't often have my video on but if I'm 
signed in there's a picture of me up there and that seems to satisfy most 
people.

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 7:55 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> anyone found one better than the other? Any tips on using Zoom? Thanks much.
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