Re: it's here, the X

[Jonathan Cohn]

Mark,

Thanks! This was just the information I was looking for. So any responsiveness 
improvements mentioned in the 10/X iPhone are also present in the 8 based on 
your non-scientific testing. At least I know that if I upgrade this year I 
should not suffer any performance issues by using the non-top of the line 
model. Considering that I keep my phones for three to four years, I am willing 
to pay more if it means saving 1/10 of a second for each operation.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 18, 2017, at 9:29 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Lenron,
> 
> The 10 is not faster than the 8, especially when VoiceOver is enabled.  
> 
> A sighted friend and I spent some time together, today.  Me with iPhone 8 
> Plus and he, with iPhone 10.
> 
> We spent about 20 minutes or so performing various speed tests and I can tell 
> you that the 8 Plus and 10 are the same, in terms of speed.  In terms of 
> gestures, 8 Plus is definitely faster in that fewer gestures are required to 
> perform some tasks.
> 
> What makes iPhone 10, better, in air quotes, is its more sophisticated camera 
> system.  
> 
> However, when my friend and I took photos and showed them to people we ran 
> into at the mall, they couldn't tell which were taken on the 8 Plus and which 
> were taken on iPhone 10.  (smile)  
> 
> When we were outside in the bright, bright sunlight, my friends phone would 
> not consistently unlock using Face ID.  (big smile).  When this happened, I 
> couldn't help but laugh and laugh and laugh, so much so, that even strangers 
> around us began to laugh, also.
> 
> We had a good time with our phones, today.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 1:22 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
> 
> The 8 and the X has the same processor. So please tell me how is the X so 
> much faster?
> 
> On 11/18/17, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Looking at my  I really should put off replacing my iPhone 6 for 
>> another year. However, I am seeing significant delays in the phone 
>> especially when first using SIRI after boot or when switching back to 
>> VoiceOver after doing things in Siri. I am hoping that some 
>> adjustments to using older / compact TTY's might improve the 
>> performance of the 6. Does anybody have other suggestions? It gets 
>> pretty frustrating when it takes a minute to get my transit or Move It 
>> app up  and here the bus fly by that I was planning  to catch. 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:39 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> The 8 series and iPhone 10 have the same hardware processor and 
>>> memory capacity so they run at the exact same speed.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:54 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>> 
>>> OK, so when I upgrade, it sounds like I should not consider the 7 
>>> series of phones. It would be nice to know if the 10 is somehow 
>>> snappier than the iPhone 8. I'll probably have to pick a day to drop 
>>> by the Apple store before normal folks would be there so I can try 
>>> out both models. It certainly is nice to have a apple store 4 blocks from 
>>> my office.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> From the iphone 7+ side of things,
>>> Yes the x is far faster and quicker response time
>>> 
>>> I can’t say anything about the 8 or 8+ but I would assume again that 
>>> it’s quicker mainly due to the processor and ram in the devices
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>> Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 2:23 PM
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>> 
>>> One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples 
>

RE: it's here, the X

[M. Taylor]

Lenron,

The 10 is not faster than the 8, especially when VoiceOver is enabled.  

A sighted friend and I spent some time together, today.  Me with iPhone 8 Plus 
and he, with iPhone 10.

We spent about 20 minutes or so performing various speed tests and I can tell 
you that the 8 Plus and 10 are the same, in terms of speed.  In terms of 
gestures, 8 Plus is definitely faster in that fewer gestures are required to 
perform some tasks.

What makes iPhone 10, better, in air quotes, is its more sophisticated camera 
system.  

However, when my friend and I took photos and showed them to people we ran into 
at the mall, they couldn't tell which were taken on the 8 Plus and which were 
taken on iPhone 10.  (smile)  

When we were outside in the bright, bright sunlight, my friends phone would not 
consistently unlock using Face ID.  (big smile).  When this happened, I 
couldn't help but laugh and laugh and laugh, so much so, that even strangers 
around us began to laugh, also.

We had a good time with our phones, today.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 1:22 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

The 8 and the X has the same processor. So please tell me how is the X so much 
faster?

On 11/18/17, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looking at my  I really should put off replacing my iPhone 6 for 
> another year. However, I am seeing significant delays in the phone 
> especially when first using SIRI after boot or when switching back to 
> VoiceOver after doing things in Siri. I am hoping that some 
> adjustments to using older / compact TTY's might improve the 
> performance of the 6. Does anybody have other suggestions? It gets 
> pretty frustrating when it takes a minute to get my transit or Move It 
> app up  and here the bus fly by that I was planning  to catch. 
>   Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:39 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Jonathan,
>>
>> The 8 series and iPhone 10 have the same hardware processor and 
>> memory capacity so they run at the exact same speed.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:54 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>
>> OK, so when I upgrade, it sounds like I should not consider the 7 
>> series of phones. It would be nice to know if the 10 is somehow 
>> snappier than the iPhone 8. I'll probably have to pick a day to drop 
>> by the Apple store before normal folks would be there so I can try 
>> out both models. It certainly is nice to have a apple store 4 blocks from my 
>> office.
>>
>>  Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan Cohn
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> From the iphone 7+ side of things,
>> Yes the x is far faster and quicker response time
>>
>> I can’t say anything about the 8 or 8+ but I would assume again that 
>> it’s quicker mainly due to the processor and ram in the devices
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 2:23 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>
>> One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples 
>> touches faster than any other iOS device. Does this translate to 
>> smoother VO experiences? That is, do swipes or other gestures 
>> register faster, making VO feel snappier overall compared to a 7 or 
>> 8? Or is the difference not really noticeable?
>>
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>
>> All I can say is that it's different.
>>
>> I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>
>> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had 
>> no home button so I am not surpr

RE: it's here, the X

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Jonathan

The 8 and x both use the same serious of chip  the a11 bionic
I’m not sure if they have a difference in speed but the x is a hell of a lot 
faster than the 7

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Sunday, 19 November 2017 5:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

OK, so when I upgrade, it sounds like I should not consider the 7 series of 
phones. It would be nice to know if the 10 is somehow snappier than the iPhone 
8. I'll probably have to pick a day to drop by the Apple store before normal 
folks would be there so I can try out both models. It certainly is nice to have 
a apple store 4 blocks from my office.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Nov 18, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Alex,

>From the iphone 7+ side of things,
Yes the x is far faster and quicker response time

I can’t say anything about the 8 or 8+ but I would assume again that it’s 
quicker mainly due to the processor and ram in the devices

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 2:23 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples touches 
faster than any other iOS device. Does this translate to smoother VO 
experiences? That is, do swipes or other gestures register faster, making VO 
feel snappier overall compared to a 7 or 8? Or is the difference not really 
noticeable?

--
Alex Hall






On Nov 17, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

All I can say is that it's different.

I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.

Hope to get my 10 next week.

Kawal.



On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller 
<kliph...@icloud.com<mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:

the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s fine. 
 You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get is to 
close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  I think 
it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, but a lot 
of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also learned you 
can still get to notifications and the control center the exact same way.  This 
one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I just place my finger 
at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and the folder closes for me. 
 Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.


On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall 
<mehg...@icloud.com<mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:

My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've seen 
some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home button, 
but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How do users 
like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is plenty usable 
but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more like the 
two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and 
more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?

Sent from my iPhone



On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. 
<ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was Mavericks.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind
off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>



On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same result. 
But your points are valid.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft
Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services
for the Blind


On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.c

RE: it's here, the X

[Jennifer Parry]

Hi Simon
Yes I was pleasantly surprised how snappy the phone was inthis set up process 
and as others have said, the general improvement in responsiveness with 
voiceover.

Regards
Jennifer Parry
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 10:15 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Hi Jennifer,

 Yes I set mine up to day and it is very straight for ward And quick when you 
have time to sit and do it.

 And once you use the face id to unlock the device it's bloody easy and quick.

 Much quicker I think than touch ID.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of jennifer parry
Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 11:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

When I had a look and run through of the gestures and Face ID it was much 
easier than expected. The Face ID set up process was very straight forward.

regards
Jennifer Parry


> On 18 Nov 2017, at 8:39 am, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> All I can say is that it's different.
> 
> I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
> 
> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
> button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.
> 
> Hope to get my 10 next week.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s 
>> fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get 
>> is to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  
>> I think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, 
>> but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also 
>> learned you can still get to notifications and the control center the exact 
>> same way.  This one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I 
>> just place my finger at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and 
>> the folder closes for me.  Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've 
>>> seen some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home 
>>> button, but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How 
>>> do users like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is 
>>> plenty usable but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it 
>>> more like the two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing 
>>> apps faster and more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else 
>>> entirely?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
>>>> Mavericks.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>>> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
>>>>> result. But your points are valid.
>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
>>>>> Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
>>>>> for the Blind
>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
>>>>>> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "

Re: it's here, the X

[Alex Hall]

Kliff said it was, I  believe. The X samples touches faster than other iOS 
devices, at 120 hertz if memory serves, so could provide a better experience. 
Touches could be interpreted in less space or time, for example, leading to a 
feel of snappier performance. It's hard to say for sure, since Cliff said he 
thinks this is the case but Simon said he didn't. I want to play with one for 
myself, and that may be the best way for anyone curious about all this to go. 
If possible, get to an Apple store or retailer (Best Buy in the United States 
is a big one) and try the phones side by side.

--
Alex Hall




> On Nov 18, 2017, at 16:55, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Just because a system has the same CPU and Graphics processors does not mean 
> that all processors or bus speeds are identical. It could be that the display 
> is more sensitive or sends less feedback to the processor thereby reducing 
> load and improving response time. I am not sure however if anybody indicated 
> that the X is performing better than 8.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 4:21 PM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> The 8 and the X has the same processor. So please tell me how is the X
>> so much faster?
>> 
>> On 11/18/17, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Looking at my  I really should put off replacing my iPhone 6 for another
>>> year. However, I am seeing significant delays in the phone especially when
>>> first using SIRI after boot or when switching back to VoiceOver after doing
>>> things in Siri. I am hoping that some adjustments to using older / compact
>>> TTY's might improve the performance of the 6. Does anybody have other
>>> suggestions? It gets pretty frustrating when it takes a minute to get my
>>> transit or Move It app up  and here the bus fly by that I was planning  to
>>> catch. 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:39 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu 
>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan,
>>>> 
>>>> The 8 series and iPhone 10 have the same hardware processor and memory
>>>> capacity so they run at the exact same speed.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:54 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>>> 
>>>> OK, so when I upgrade, it sounds like I should not consider the 7 series
>>>> of phones. It would be nice to know if the 10 is somehow snappier than the
>>>> iPhone 8. I'll probably have to pick a day to drop by the Apple store
>>>> before normal folks would be there so I can try out both models. It
>>>> certainly is nice to have a apple store 4 blocks from my office.
>>>> 
>>>>Best wishes,
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Alex,
>>>> 
>>>> From the iphone 7+ side of things,
>>>> Yes the x is far faster and quicker response time
>>>> 
>>>> I can’t say anything about the 8 or 8+ but I would assume again that it’s
>>>> quicker mainly due to the processor and ram in the devices
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 2:23 PM
>>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>>> 
>>>> One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples
>>>

Re: it's here, the X

[Jonathan Cohn]

Just because a system has the same CPU and Graphics processors does not mean 
that all processors or bus speeds are identical. It could be that the display 
is more sensitive or sends less feedback to the processor thereby reducing load 
and improving response time. I am not sure however if anybody indicated that 
the X is performing better than 8.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 18, 2017, at 4:21 PM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The 8 and the X has the same processor. So please tell me how is the X
> so much faster?
> 
> On 11/18/17, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Looking at my  I really should put off replacing my iPhone 6 for another
>> year. However, I am seeing significant delays in the phone especially when
>> first using SIRI after boot or when switching back to VoiceOver after doing
>> things in Siri. I am hoping that some adjustments to using older / compact
>> TTY's might improve the performance of the 6. Does anybody have other
>> suggestions? It gets pretty frustrating when it takes a minute to get my
>> transit or Move It app up  and here the bus fly by that I was planning  to
>> catch. 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:39 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> The 8 series and iPhone 10 have the same hardware processor and memory
>>> capacity so they run at the exact same speed.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:54 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>> 
>>> OK, so when I upgrade, it sounds like I should not consider the 7 series
>>> of phones. It would be nice to know if the 10 is somehow snappier than the
>>> iPhone 8. I'll probably have to pick a day to drop by the Apple store
>>> before normal folks would be there so I can try out both models. It
>>> certainly is nice to have a apple store 4 blocks from my office.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> From the iphone 7+ side of things,
>>> Yes the x is far faster and quicker response time
>>> 
>>> I can’t say anything about the 8 or 8+ but I would assume again that it’s
>>> quicker mainly due to the processor and ram in the devices
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>> Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 2:23 PM
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>> 
>>> One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples
>>> touches faster than any other iOS device. Does this translate to smoother
>>> VO experiences? That is, do swipes or other gestures register faster,
>>> making VO feel snappier overall compared to a 7 or 8? Or is the difference
>>> not really noticeable?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All I can say is that it's different.
>>> 
>>> I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>> 
>>> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no
>>> home button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home
>>> button.
>>> 
>>> Hope to get my 10 next week.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s
>>> fine.  You place your finger, start sli

Re: it's here, the X

[lenron brown]

The 8 and the X has the same processor. So please tell me how is the X
so much faster?

On 11/18/17, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looking at my  I really should put off replacing my iPhone 6 for another
> year. However, I am seeing significant delays in the phone especially when
> first using SIRI after boot or when switching back to VoiceOver after doing
> things in Siri. I am hoping that some adjustments to using older / compact
> TTY's might improve the performance of the 6. Does anybody have other
> suggestions? It gets pretty frustrating when it takes a minute to get my
> transit or Move It app up  and here the bus fly by that I was planning  to
> catch. 
>   Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:39 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Jonathan,
>>
>> The 8 series and iPhone 10 have the same hardware processor and memory
>> capacity so they run at the exact same speed.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:54 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>
>> OK, so when I upgrade, it sounds like I should not consider the 7 series
>> of phones. It would be nice to know if the 10 is somehow snappier than the
>> iPhone 8. I'll probably have to pick a day to drop by the Apple store
>> before normal folks would be there so I can try out both models. It
>> certainly is nice to have a apple store 4 blocks from my office.
>>
>>  Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan Cohn
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> From the iphone 7+ side of things,
>> Yes the x is far faster and quicker response time
>>
>> I can’t say anything about the 8 or 8+ but I would assume again that it’s
>> quicker mainly due to the processor and ram in the devices
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 2:23 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>
>> One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples
>> touches faster than any other iOS device. Does this translate to smoother
>> VO experiences? That is, do swipes or other gestures register faster,
>> making VO feel snappier overall compared to a 7 or 8? Or is the difference
>> not really noticeable?
>>
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>
>> All I can say is that it's different.
>>
>> I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>>
>> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no
>> home button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home
>> button.
>>
>> Hope to get my 10 next week.
>>
>> Kawal.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s
>> fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get
>> is to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.
>>  I think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home
>> button, but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I
>> have also learned you can still get to notifications and the control
>> center the exact same way.  This one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I
>> am in a folder, I just place my finger at the bottom of the screen, and
>> press down a bit and the folder closes for me.  Not every time, but about
>> 45 percent of the time.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've
>> seen some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home
>> but

Re: it's here, the X

[Jonathan Cohn]

Looking at my  I really should put off replacing my iPhone 6 for another year. 
However, I am seeing significant delays in the phone especially when first 
using SIRI after boot or when switching back to VoiceOver after doing things in 
Siri. I am hoping that some adjustments to using older / compact TTY's might 
improve the performance of the 6. Does anybody have other suggestions? It gets 
pretty frustrating when it takes a minute to get my transit or Move It app up  
and here the bus fly by that I was planning  to catch.   
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:39 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Jonathan, 
> 
> The 8 series and iPhone 10 have the same hardware processor and memory 
> capacity so they run at the exact same speed.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:54 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
> 
> OK, so when I upgrade, it sounds like I should not consider the 7 series of 
> phones. It would be nice to know if the 10 is somehow snappier than the 
> iPhone 8. I'll probably have to pick a day to drop by the Apple store before 
> normal folks would be there so I can try out both models. It certainly is 
> nice to have a apple store 4 blocks from my office.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 18, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> From the iphone 7+ side of things,
> Yes the x is far faster and quicker response time
> 
> I can’t say anything about the 8 or 8+ but I would assume again that it’s 
> quicker mainly due to the processor and ram in the devices
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 2:23 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
> 
> One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples touches 
> faster than any other iOS device. Does this translate to smoother VO 
> experiences? That is, do swipes or other gestures register faster, making VO 
> feel snappier overall compared to a 7 or 8? Or is the difference not really 
> noticeable?
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> All I can say is that it's different.
> 
> I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
> 
> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
> button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.
> 
> Hope to get my 10 next week.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s 
> fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get is 
> to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  I 
> think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, 
> but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also 
> learned you can still get to notifications and the control center the exact 
> same way.  This one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I 
> just place my finger at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and 
> the folder closes for me.  Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.
> 
> 
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've seen 
> some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home button, 
> but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How do users 
> like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is plenty usable 
> but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more like the 
> two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and 
> more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Microsoft is in anoth

RE: it's here, the X

[M. Taylor]

Jonathan, 

The 8 series and iPhone 10 have the same hardware processor and memory capacity 
so they run at the exact same speed.  

Mark


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

OK, so when I upgrade, it sounds like I should not consider the 7 series of 
phones. It would be nice to know if the 10 is somehow snappier than the iPhone 
8. I'll probably have to pick a day to drop by the Apple store before normal 
folks would be there so I can try out both models. It certainly is nice to have 
a apple store 4 blocks from my office.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Nov 18, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Hi Alex,
 
>From the iphone 7+ side of things,
Yes the x is far faster and quicker response time
 
I can’t say anything about the 8 or 8+ but I would assume again that it’s 
quicker mainly due to the processor and ram in the devices
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 2:23 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: it's here, the X
 
One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples touches 
faster than any other iOS device. Does this translate to smoother VO 
experiences? That is, do swipes or other gestures register faster, making VO 
feel snappier overall compared to a 7 or 8? Or is the difference not really 
noticeable?

--
Alex Hall
 
 
 



On Nov 17, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
 
All I can say is that it's different.

I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.

Hope to get my 10 next week.

Kawal.



On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:

the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s fine. 
 You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get is to 
close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  I think 
it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, but a lot 
of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also learned you 
can still get to notifications and the control center the exact same way.  This 
one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I just place my finger 
at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and the folder closes for me. 
 Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.


On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:

My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've seen 
some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home button, 
but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How do users 
like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is plenty usable 
but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more like the 
two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and 
more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?

Sent from my iPhone



On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was Mavericks.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com



On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same result. 
But your points are valid.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
for the Blind


On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. Also 
remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>



On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
My guess i

Re: it's here, the X

[Jonathan Cohn]

OK, so when I upgrade, it sounds like I should not consider the 7 series of 
phones. It would be nice to know if the 10 is somehow snappier than the iPhone 
8. I'll probably have to pick a day to drop by the Apple store before normal 
folks would be there so I can try out both models. It certainly is nice to have 
a apple store 4 blocks from my office.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 18, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
>  
> From the iphone 7+ side of things,
> Yes the x is far faster and quicker response time
>  
> I can’t say anything about the 8 or 8+ but I would assume again that it’s 
> quicker mainly due to the processor and ram in the devices
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 2:23 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>  
> One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples touches 
> faster than any other iOS device. Does this translate to smoother VO 
> experiences? That is, do swipes or other gestures register faster, making VO 
> feel snappier overall compared to a 7 or 8? Or is the difference not really 
> noticeable?
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> All I can say is that it's different.
> 
> I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
> 
> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
> button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.
> 
> Hope to get my 10 next week.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s 
> fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get is 
> to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  I 
> think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, 
> but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also 
> learned you can still get to notifications and the control center the exact 
> same way.  This one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I 
> just place my finger at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and 
> the folder closes for me.  Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.
> 
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've seen 
> some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home button, 
> but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How do users 
> like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is plenty usable 
> but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more like the 
> two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and 
> more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
> Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was Mavericks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
> 
> 
> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same result. 
> But your points are valid.
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
> Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
> for the Blind
> 
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:ancient.ali

RE: it's here, the X

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Alex,

>From the iphone 7+ side of things,
Yes the x is far faster and quicker response time

I can’t say anything about the 8 or 8+ but I would assume again that it’s 
quicker mainly due to the processor and ram in the devices

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 2:23 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples touches 
faster than any other iOS device. Does this translate to smoother VO 
experiences? That is, do swipes or other gestures register faster, making VO 
feel snappier overall compared to a 7 or 8? Or is the difference not really 
noticeable?

--
Alex Hall





On Nov 17, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

All I can say is that it's different.

I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.

Hope to get my 10 next week.

Kawal.


On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller 
<kliph...@icloud.com<mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:

the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s fine. 
 You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get is to 
close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  I think 
it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, but a lot 
of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also learned you 
can still get to notifications and the control center the exact same way.  This 
one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I just place my finger 
at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and the folder closes for me. 
 Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.

On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall 
<mehg...@icloud.com<mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:

My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've seen 
some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home button, 
but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How do users 
like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is plenty usable 
but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more like the 
two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and 
more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. 
<ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was Mavericks.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind
off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>


On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same result. 
But your points are valid.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft
Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services
for the Blind

On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com%20%3cmailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>>>
 wrote:

Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. Also 
remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>


On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is just 
too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft
Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services
for the Blind

On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley <shoole...@gmail.com 
<mailto:shoole...@gmail.com<mailto:shoole...@gmail.com%20%3cmailto:shoole...@gmail.com>>>
 wrote:

I wond

RE: it's here, the X

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Jennifer,

 Yes I set mine up to day and it is very straight for ward 
And quick when you have time to sit and do it.

 And once you use the face id to unlock the device it's bloody easy and quick.

 Much quicker I think than touch ID.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of jennifer parry
Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2017 11:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

When I had a look and run through of the gestures and Face ID it was much 
easier than expected. The Face ID set up process was very straight forward.

regards
Jennifer Parry


> On 18 Nov 2017, at 8:39 am, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> All I can say is that it's different.
> 
> I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
> 
> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
> button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.
> 
> Hope to get my 10 next week.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s 
>> fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get 
>> is to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  
>> I think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, 
>> but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also 
>> learned you can still get to notifications and the control center the exact 
>> same way.  This one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I 
>> just place my finger at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and 
>> the folder closes for me.  Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've 
>>> seen some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home 
>>> button, but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How 
>>> do users like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is 
>>> plenty usable but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it 
>>> more like the two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing 
>>> apps faster and more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else 
>>> entirely?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
>>>> Mavericks.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>>> mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
>>>>> result. But your points are valid.
>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
>>>>> Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
>>>>> for the Blind
>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
>>>>>> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM,

Re: it's here, the X

[Kliphton Miller]

yes, vo is much snappyer and gestures register a lot quicker than they have in 
the past.  Sometimes I have to go a little slower because vo is keeping up with 
my jestures better than on any phone I had in the past.
> On Nov 17, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples touches 
> faster than any other iOS device. Does this translate to smoother VO 
> experiences? That is, do swipes or other gestures register faster, making VO 
> feel snappier overall compared to a 7 or 8? Or is the difference not really 
> noticeable?
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> All I can say is that it's different.
>> 
>> I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
>> 
>> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
>> button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.
>> 
>> Hope to get my 10 next week.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s 
>>> fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get 
>>> is to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  
>>> I think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home 
>>> button, but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I 
>>> have also learned you can still get to notifications and the control center 
>>> the exact same way.  This one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a 
>>> folder, I just place my finger at the bottom of the screen, and press down 
>>> a bit and the folder closes for me.  Not every time, but about 45 percent 
>>> of the time.
>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've 
>>>> seen some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home 
>>>> button, but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. 
>>>> How do users like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, 
>>>> is plenty usable but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it 
>>>> more like the two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes 
>>>> accessing apps faster and more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something 
>>>> else entirely?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
>>>>> Mavericks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
>>>>>> result. But your points are valid.
>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
>>>>>> Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
>>>>>> for the Blind
>>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote

Re: it's here, the X

[Alex Hall]

One other question for any X users. I've read that the screen samples touches 
faster than any other iOS device. Does this translate to smoother VO 
experiences? That is, do swipes or other gestures register faster, making VO 
feel snappier overall compared to a 7 or 8? Or is the difference not really 
noticeable?

--
Alex Hall




> On Nov 17, 2017, at 16:39, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> All I can say is that it's different.
> 
> I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
> 
> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
> button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.
> 
> Hope to get my 10 next week.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s 
>> fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get 
>> is to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  
>> I think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, 
>> but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also 
>> learned you can still get to notifications and the control center the exact 
>> same way.  This one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I 
>> just place my finger at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and 
>> the folder closes for me.  Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've 
>>> seen some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home 
>>> button, but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How 
>>> do users like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is 
>>> plenty usable but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it 
>>> more like the two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing 
>>> apps faster and more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else 
>>> entirely?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
>>>> Mavericks.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
>>>>> result. But your points are valid.
>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
>>>>> Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
>>>>> for the Blind
>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
>>>>>> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>>>>> My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten 
>>>>>>> is just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
>>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, 

Re: it's here, the X

[jennifer parry]

When I had a look and run through of the gestures and Face ID it was much 
easier than expected. The Face ID set up process was very straight forward.

regards
Jennifer Parry


> On 18 Nov 2017, at 8:39 am, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> All I can say is that it's different.
> 
> I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: it's here, the X
> 
> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
> button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.
> 
> Hope to get my 10 next week.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s 
>> fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get 
>> is to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  
>> I think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, 
>> but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also 
>> learned you can still get to notifications and the control center the exact 
>> same way.  This one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I 
>> just place my finger at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and 
>> the folder closes for me.  Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've 
>>> seen some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home 
>>> button, but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How 
>>> do users like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is 
>>> plenty usable but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it 
>>> more like the two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing 
>>> apps faster and more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else 
>>> entirely?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
>>>> Mavericks.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
>>>>> result. But your points are valid.
>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
>>>>> Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
>>>>> for the Blind
>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
>>>>>> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>>>>> My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten 
>>>>>>> is just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
>>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
>>>>>>> Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
>>>>>>> for the Blin

RE: it's here, the X

[Simon Fogarty]

All I can say is that it's different.

 I'm finding it easy so far to convert but yeah it's different.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 11:51 AM
To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.

Hope to get my 10 next week.

Kawal.

> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s 
> fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get is 
> to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  I 
> think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, 
> but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also 
> learned you can still get to notifications and the control center the exact 
> same way.  This one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I 
> just place my finger at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and 
> the folder closes for me.  Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've 
>> seen some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home 
>> button, but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How 
>> do users like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is 
>> plenty usable but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more 
>> like the two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps 
>> faster and more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
>>> Mavericks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
>>>> result. But your points are valid.
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
>>>> Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
>>>> for the Blind
>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
>>>>> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>>>> My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
>>>>>> just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
>>>>>> Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
>>>>>> for the Blind
>>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley <shoole...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:shoole...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi List,
&

RE: it's here, the X

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi John,

I haven’t noticed that when it’s charging but yes when it’s not charging.



I’ll have a look at that next time I have it on charge.

I have noticed that I don’t get anywhere near the same battery life as I did 
from my 7+…



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of jaan ali
Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 7:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

Hi, congratulations for your new phone, I have the ten aswell , I’m just 
wondering when you put your finger on to the battery status even if you are not 
connected with the charger will it  tell you not charging with the percentage? 
thanks

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> on 
behalf of M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 2:51:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Great Report, Simon.

I look forward to your next one, especially your Face ID experience.

Yes, the phone is surprisingly slim when compared to iPhone 8 Plus.

Based on your statement, may we assume that you are using a pass code to unlock 
your 10? or are you, "going commando", (big smile) with no password protection 
whatsoever.  (smile)

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Hi Mark,

 Well I have to admit that I didn't get it until 5:30pm lastnight so when I got 
to the setting up face id section I skipped it as the light was getting low and 
it seemed I couldn’t' look directly at the screen.

 So I'll leave that until the weekend and set it up then.

Interesting the using the device without a home button but it's not that 
difficult once you get use to the slide up the screen.

 What I really have noticed is its speed and simple quickness when performing a 
task on screen.

 And I am very surprised by the size,
I thought it would be larger than it is.

 After using a 7+ I'm inclined to think it's even sdmaller than the 7 or 8, yet 
I believe it's slightly larger.

 Still a lot of working things out before I really get use to it.


More to report as things move forward.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 6:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Hello Simon.

Your post made me smile.

Congratulations on your iPhone 10.  I’m not certain but, so far, I believe you 
and Cliff are the only two who have received the unit.  I know several other 
people on the list are expecting theirs, any day now.

I have no doubt but that you will continue to love the device.

What do you think of Face ID, so far?

Also, please keep us informed on your Apple Pay experiences with Face ID, okay?

Mark


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: it's here, the X

Hi List,

So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,

I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,

I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups  
doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
device was IOS 11 production release…

A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start point 
and run through without an issue

So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
with what they have done,

Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to work 
with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.

The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got great 
screen realestate to work with,

So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
come over the next couple of days

At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
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RE: it's here, the X

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

 With something like this definitely a pin code.

I'm having trouble finding a decent case for it,

 I have a few cards which take up space

But can't find anything I really like.

  


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 8:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Great Report, Simon.

I look forward to your next one, especially your Face ID experience.  

Yes, the phone is surprisingly slim when compared to iPhone 8 Plus.

Based on your statement, may we assume that you are using a pass code to unlock 
your 10? or are you, "going commando", (big smile) with no password protection 
whatsoever.  (smile)

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Hi Mark,

 Well I have to admit that I didn't get it until 5:30pm lastnight so when I got 
to the setting up face id section I skipped it as the light was getting low and 
it seemed I couldn’t' look directly at the screen.

 So I'll leave that until the weekend and set it up then.

Interesting the using the device without a home button but it's not that 
difficult once you get use to the slide up the screen.

 What I really have noticed is its speed and simple quickness when performing a 
task on screen.

 And I am very surprised by the size, 
I thought it would be larger than it is.

 After using a 7+ I'm inclined to think it's even sdmaller than the 7 or 8, yet 
I believe it's slightly larger.

 Still a lot of working things out before I really get use to it.


More to report as things move forward.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 6:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Hello Simon.

Your post made me smile.  

Congratulations on your iPhone 10.  I’m not certain but, so far, I believe you 
and Cliff are the only two who have received the unit.  I know several other 
people on the list are expecting theirs, any day now.

I have no doubt but that you will continue to love the device.  

What do you think of Face ID, so far?  

Also, please keep us informed on your Apple Pay experiences with Face ID, okay? 
 

Mark


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: it's here, the X

Hi List,

So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,

I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,

I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups  
doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
device was IOS 11 production release…

A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start point 
and run through without an issue 

So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
with what they have done,

Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to work 
with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.

The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got great 
screen realestate to work with,

So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
come over the next couple of days 

At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
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Re: it's here, the X

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

No, it’s an iPhone. You got mixed up with the messages! Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Nov 2017, at 2:11 am, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> Oh, so it’s a Windows phone.  I thought it was an iPhone.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
>> button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.
>> 
>> Hope to get my 10 next week.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s 
>>> fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get 
>>> is to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  
>>> I think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home 
>>> button, but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I 
>>> have also learned you can still get to notifications and the control center 
>>> the exact same way.  This one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a 
>>> folder, I just place my finger at the bottom of the screen, and press down 
>>> a bit and the folder closes for me.  Not every time, but about 45 percent 
>>> of the time.
 On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've 
 seen some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home 
 button, but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. 
 How do users like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, 
 is plenty usable but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it 
 more like the two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes 
 accessing apps faster and more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something 
 else entirely?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
> Mavericks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
>> result. But your points are valid.
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
>> Services for the Blind
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
>>> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
 My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten 
 is just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
 Devin Prater
 Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
 JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by 
 World Services for the Blind
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley  > wrote:
> 
> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon 
> after?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my 
>> iPhone X had arrived,
>> And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
>> I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something 
>> wrong,
>> I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using 
>> iCloud backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public 
>> beta versions, and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
>> A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory 
>> start point and run through without an issue
>> So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
>> impressed with what they have done,
>> Once you get passed the 

Re: it's here, the X

[Sharon Hooley]

Oh, so it’s a Windows phone.  I thought it was an iPhone.

Thanks,

> On Nov 16, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
> button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.
> 
> Hope to get my 10 next week.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s 
>> fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get 
>> is to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  
>> I think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, 
>> but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also 
>> learned you can still get to notifications and the control center the exact 
>> same way.  This one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I 
>> just place my finger at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and 
>> the folder closes for me.  Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've 
>>> seen some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home 
>>> button, but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How 
>>> do users like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is 
>>> plenty usable but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it 
>>> more like the two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing 
>>> apps faster and more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else 
>>> entirely?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
 Mavericks.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
> result. But your points are valid.
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
> Services for the Blind
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. > > wrote:
>> 
>> Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
>> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> 
>>> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>> My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten 
>>> is just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
>>> Services for the Blind
 On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley > wrote:
 
 I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
 
 
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my 
> iPhone X had arrived,
> And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
> I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
> I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud 
> backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta 
> versions, and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
> A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory 
> start point and run through without an issue
> So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
> impressed with what they have done,
> Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually 
> easy to work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and 
> home screens.
> The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil 
> got great screen realestate to work with,

Re: it's here, the X

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Well, Kliphton like me you use to have a windows mobile and that had no home 
button so I am not surprised that you are use to having no home button.

Hope to get my 10 next week.

Kawal.

> On 15 Nov 2017, at 21:32, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s 
> fine.  You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get is 
> to close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  I 
> think it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, 
> but a lot of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also 
> learned you can still get to notifications and the control center the exact 
> same way.  This one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I 
> just place my finger at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and 
> the folder closes for me.  Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've 
>> seen some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home 
>> button, but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How 
>> do users like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is 
>> plenty usable but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more 
>> like the two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps 
>> faster and more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
>>> Mavericks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
 Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
 result. But your points are valid.
 Devin Prater
 Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
 JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
 Services for the Blind
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T.  > wrote:
> 
> Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
>> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>> My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
>> just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
>> Services for the Blind
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my 
 iPhone X had arrived,
 And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
 I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
 I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud 
 backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta 
 versions, and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
 A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory 
 start point and run through without an issue
 So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
 impressed with what they have done,
 Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually 
 easy to work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home 
 screens.
 The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil 
 got great screen realestate to work with,
 So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing 
 around to come over the next couple of days
 At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong 
 place.
 
 --
 The 

Re: it's here, the X

[jaan ali]

Hi, congratulations for your new phone, I have the ten aswell , I’m just 
wondering when you put your finger on to the battery status even if you are not 
connected with the charger will it  tell you not charging with the percentage? 
thanks

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on 
behalf of M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 2:51:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Great Report, Simon.

I look forward to your next one, especially your Face ID experience.

Yes, the phone is surprisingly slim when compared to iPhone 8 Plus.

Based on your statement, may we assume that you are using a pass code to unlock 
your 10? or are you, "going commando", (big smile) with no password protection 
whatsoever.  (smile)

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Hi Mark,

 Well I have to admit that I didn't get it until 5:30pm lastnight so when I got 
to the setting up face id section I skipped it as the light was getting low and 
it seemed I couldn’t' look directly at the screen.

 So I'll leave that until the weekend and set it up then.

Interesting the using the device without a home button but it's not that 
difficult once you get use to the slide up the screen.

 What I really have noticed is its speed and simple quickness when performing a 
task on screen.

 And I am very surprised by the size,
I thought it would be larger than it is.

 After using a 7+ I'm inclined to think it's even sdmaller than the 7 or 8, yet 
I believe it's slightly larger.

 Still a lot of working things out before I really get use to it.


More to report as things move forward.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 6:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Hello Simon.

Your post made me smile.

Congratulations on your iPhone 10.  I’m not certain but, so far, I believe you 
and Cliff are the only two who have received the unit.  I know several other 
people on the list are expecting theirs, any day now.

I have no doubt but that you will continue to love the device.

What do you think of Face ID, so far?

Also, please keep us informed on your Apple Pay experiences with Face ID, okay?

Mark


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: it's here, the X

Hi List,

So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,

I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,

I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups  
doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
device was IOS 11 production release…

A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start point 
and run through without an issue

So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
with what they have done,

Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to work 
with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.

The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got great 
screen realestate to work with,

So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
come over the next couple of days

At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
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RE: it's here, the X

[M. Taylor]

Great Report, Simon.

I look forward to your next one, especially your Face ID experience.  

Yes, the phone is surprisingly slim when compared to iPhone 8 Plus.

Based on your statement, may we assume that you are using a pass code to unlock 
your 10? or are you, "going commando", (big smile) with no password protection 
whatsoever.  (smile)

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Hi Mark,

 Well I have to admit that I didn't get it until 5:30pm lastnight so when I got 
to the setting up face id section I skipped it as the light was getting low and 
it seemed I couldn’t' look directly at the screen.

 So I'll leave that until the weekend and set it up then.

Interesting the using the device without a home button but it's not that 
difficult once you get use to the slide up the screen.

 What I really have noticed is its speed and simple quickness when performing a 
task on screen.

 And I am very surprised by the size, 
I thought it would be larger than it is.

 After using a 7+ I'm inclined to think it's even sdmaller than the 7 or 8, yet 
I believe it's slightly larger.

 Still a lot of working things out before I really get use to it.


More to report as things move forward.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 6:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Hello Simon.

Your post made me smile.  

Congratulations on your iPhone 10.  I’m not certain but, so far, I believe you 
and Cliff are the only two who have received the unit.  I know several other 
people on the list are expecting theirs, any day now.

I have no doubt but that you will continue to love the device.  

What do you think of Face ID, so far?  

Also, please keep us informed on your Apple Pay experiences with Face ID, okay? 
 

Mark


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: it's here, the X

Hi List,

So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,

I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,

I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups  
doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
device was IOS 11 production release…

A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start point 
and run through without an issue 

So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
with what they have done,

Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to work 
with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.

The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got great 
screen realestate to work with,

So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
come over the next couple of days 

At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
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RE: it's here, the X

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Alex,

Yeah I still find it odd but I really have to say it's not as bad as people 
might think,

 For a start it was crap as I couldn't get it to work for me.

 Now although it's only been 24 hours I've pretty much got it 

 It's a case of tap on the screen to wake the device then slide firmly one 
finger up from the botton edge of the screen until you feel a vibration under 
finger and then it will have woken enough to either enter the pin code or use 
face id.

 Still as I haven't yet setup face id  yet so that's a weekend job as the light 
wasn't in my favour lastnight.

Still lots more hopefully to come on the x.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 6:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've seen 
some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home button, 
but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How do users 
like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is plenty usable 
but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more like the 
two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and 
more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
> Mavericks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same result. 
>> But your points are valid.
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, 
>> Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
>>> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>> mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>> 
>>>> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>> My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
>>>> just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
>>>> Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
>>>> for the Blind
>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley <shoole...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:shoole...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my 
>>>>>> iPhone X had arrived, And quite frankly it’s like being on a 
>>>>>> first date, I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do 
>>>>>> something wrong, I will say that setting up the device out of the 
>>>>>> box and using iCloud backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are 
>>>>>> on IOS Public beta versions, and the new device was IOS 11 
>>>>>> production release… A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back 
>>>>>> to the factory start point and run through without an issue So far after 
>>>>>> playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed with 
>>>>>> what they have done, Once you get passed the fact there is no home 
>>>>>> button it’s actually easy to work with the slide finger up to get the 
>>>>>> app switcher and home screens.
>>>

RE: it's here, the X

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

 Well I have to admit that I didn't get it until 5:30pm lastnight so when I got 
to the setting up face id section I skipped it as the light was getting low and 
it seemed I couldn’t' look directly at the screen.

 So I'll leave that until the weekend and set it up then.

Interesting the using the device without a home button but it's not that 
difficult once you get use to the slide up the screen.

 What I really have noticed is its speed and simple quickness when performing a 
task on screen.

 And I am very surprised by the size, 
I thought it would be larger than it is.

 After using a 7+ I'm inclined to think it's even sdmaller than the 7 or 8, yet 
I believe it's slightly larger.

 Still a lot of working things out before I really get use to it.


More to report as things move forward.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 6:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: it's here, the X

Hello Simon.

Your post made me smile.  

Congratulations on your iPhone 10.  I’m not certain but, so far, I believe you 
and Cliff are the only two who have received the unit.  I know several other 
people on the list are expecting theirs, any day now.

I have no doubt but that you will continue to love the device.  

What do you think of Face ID, so far?  

Also, please keep us informed on your Apple Pay experiences with Face ID, okay? 
 

Mark


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: it's here, the X

Hi List,

So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,

I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,

I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups  
doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
device was IOS 11 production release…

A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start point 
and run through without an issue 

So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
with what they have done,

Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to work 
with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.

The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got great 
screen realestate to work with,

So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
come over the next couple of days 

At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
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RE: it's here, the X

[Simon Fogarty]

iPhone X is the tenth anniversary release of the iphone,

the 8 range was meant as the yearly release of the device.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 2:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?


On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,

I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,

I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups  
doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
device was IOS 11 production release…

A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start point 
and run through without an issue

So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
with what they have done,

Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to work 
with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.

The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got great 
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come over the next couple of days

At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.

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Re: it's here, the X

[Kliphton Miller]

the no home button is fine.  Like simon said, once you get use to it it’s fine. 
 You place your finger, start sliding up, the first feedback you get is to 
close the app or folder, if you keep going you get the app switcher.  I think 
it will come down to personal preference, I like the no home button, but a lot 
of sited useres like the 8 because it still has it.  I have also learned you 
can still get to notifications and the control center the exact same way.  This 
one is hit or miss, but sometimes when I am in a folder, I just place my finger 
at the bottom of the screen, and press down a bit and the folder closes for me. 
 Not every time, but about 45 percent of the time.
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've seen 
> some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home button, 
> but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How do users 
> like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is plenty usable 
> but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more like the 
> two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and 
> more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
>> Mavericks.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
>>> result. But your points are valid.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
>>> Services for the Blind
 On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. > wrote:
 
  Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
 Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
> My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
> just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
> Services for the Blind
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley > > wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone 
>>> X had arrived,
>>> And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
>>> I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
>>> I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud 
>>> backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta 
>>> versions, and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
>>> A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory 
>>> start point and run through without an issue
>>> So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
>>> impressed with what they have done,
>>> Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy 
>>> to work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home 
>>> screens.
>>> The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got 
>>> great screen realestate to work with,
>>> So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing 
>>> around to come over the next couple of days
>>> At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong 
>>> place.
>>> 
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>>> Visionaries list.
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>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list 
>>> itself.
>>> 
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Re: it's here, the X

[Alex Hall]

My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've seen 
some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home button, 
but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How do users 
like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is plenty usable 
but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more like the 
two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and 
more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
> Mavericks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same result. 
>> But your points are valid.
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
>> Services for the Blind
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
>>> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
 My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
 just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
 Devin Prater
 Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
 JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
 Services for the Blind
> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley  > wrote:
> 
> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone 
>> X had arrived,
>> And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
>> I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
>> I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud 
>> backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta 
>> versions, and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
>> A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory 
>> start point and run through without an issue
>> So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
>> impressed with what they have done,
>> Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy 
>> to work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home 
>> screens.
>> The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got 
>> great screen realestate to work with,
>> So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around 
>> to come over the next couple of days
>> At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong 
>> place.
>> 
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Re: it's here, the X

[E.T.]

   Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
Mavericks.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same 
result. But your points are valid.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified 
by World Services for the Blind




On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. > wrote:


  Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the 
iPhone. Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten 
is just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified 
by World Services for the Blind
On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley > wrote:


I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?


On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:


Hi List,
So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my 
iPhone X had arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using 
iCloud backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public 
beta versions, and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory 
start point and run through without an issue
So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
impressed with what they have done,
Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually 
easy to work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and 
home screens.
The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil 
got great screen realestate to work with,
So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing 
around to come over the next couple of days
At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong 
place.


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RE: it's here, the X

[M. Taylor]

Hello Simon.

Your post made me smile.  

Congratulations on your iPhone 10.  I’m not certain but, so far, I believe you 
and Cliff are the only two who have received the unit.  I know several other 
people on the list are expecting theirs, any day now.

I have no doubt but that you will continue to love the device.  

What do you think of Face ID, so far?  

Also, please keep us informed on your Apple Pay experiences with Face ID, okay? 
 

Mark


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: it's here, the X

Hi List,

So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,

I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,

I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups  
doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
device was IOS 11 production release…

A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start point 
and run through without an issue 

So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
with what they have done,

Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to work 
with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.

The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got great 
screen realestate to work with,

So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
come over the next couple of days 

At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
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Re: it's here, the X

[Devin Prater]

Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same result. 
But your points are valid.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
Services for the Blind



> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. Also 
> remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
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> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>> My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
>> just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
>> Services for the Blind
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X 
 had arrived,
 And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
 I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
 I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud 
 backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, 
 and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
 A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start 
 point and run through without an issue
 So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
 impressed with what they have done,
 Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to 
 work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.
 The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got 
 great screen realestate to work with,
 So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around 
 to come over the next couple of days
 At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
 
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Re: it's here, the X

[E.T.]

   Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the 
iPhone. Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.


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On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified 
by World Services for the Blind




On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley > wrote:


I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?


On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:


Hi List,
So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my 
iPhone X had arrived,

And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud 
backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta 
versions, and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory 
start point and run through without an issue
So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really 
impressed with what they have done,
Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually 
easy to work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and 
home screens.
The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil 
got great screen realestate to work with,
So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing 
around to come over the next couple of days
At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong 
place.


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Re: it's here, the X

[Devin Prater]

My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is just 
too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
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Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
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> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X 
>> had arrived,
>>  
>> And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
>>  
>> I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
>>  
>> I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud 
>> backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, 
>> and the new device was IOS 11 production release…
>>  
>> A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start 
>> point and run through without an issue
>>  
>> So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
>> with what they have done,
>>  
>> Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to 
>> work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.
>>  
>> The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got 
>> great screen realestate to work with,
>>  
>> So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
>> come over the next couple of days
>>  
>> At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
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Re: it's here, the X

[Sharon Hooley]

I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?


> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my iPhone X had 
> arrived,
>  
> And quite frankly it’s like being on a first date,
>  
> I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do something wrong,
>  
> I will say that setting up the device out of the box and using iCloud backups 
>  doesn’t work when your back ups are on IOS Public beta versions, and the new 
> device was IOS 11 production release…
>  
> A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back to the factory start 
> point and run through without an issue
>  
> So far after playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed 
> with what they have done,
>  
> Once you get passed the fact there is no home button it’s actually easy to 
> work with the slide finger up to get the app switcher and home screens.
>  
> The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s stil got great 
> screen realestate to work with,
>  
> So I’d say so far it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to 
> come over the next couple of days
>  
> At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my hand in the wrong place.
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