Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

2010-08-01 Thread Chris Moore
 
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 Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad
 
 If you have a mobile me account, can you not save the documents to iDisk?
 On 30 Jul 2010, at 18:46, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 Simon, it is usable, but you may not actually want to use it.  I had an 
 iPad, and I tried this stuff, but I didn't do it a lot, and I haven't tried 
 it in a while, so I'll probably make some mistakes in my description. There 
 will undoubtedly be some iPad people that tell me that I overlooked 
 something. That's fine, but here is the general idea.
 
 So, you want to put a file on your iPad to edit while you're away from home. 
 You know that you can't just hook up the iPad to the computer and copy the 
 file over, as the iPad security doesn't allow that.
 
 Here is what you must do. You must add the file to iTunes, including, I 
 think, marking it for sync. Then, you must start a sync of your iPad with 
 iTunes. When that completes, you need to go in to the iWork program on the 
 iPad that you want to use, like Pages, and locate the document. Except, you 
 can't use it right away. You must import the document in to Pages (I think 
 it converts it or something).
 
 Now, you can edit all you want.
 
 However, when you get back home, and want to print it, you must go through 
 the process in reverse. You have to go in to Pages on the iPad, load your 
 document, export it to a regular document, hook up to the Mac, sync with 
 iTunes, and then get it back in to your Word Processor.
 
 Basically, while iPad and iPhone programs can save and load files, they only 
 have access to the files that they specifically create, or that are brought 
 in to them through a sync with iTunes or over the Internet. Programs on the 
 iPad and iPhone can't access any file that was created by another program on 
 the same device, nor can they share their files with other iPad/iPhone 
 programs. You also can't access any documents or files that a program makes 
 from a computer, unless that program is authorized to sync through iTunes. 
 That's why programs like the Daisy book reader can't let you transfer books 
 directly to your device. They must waste time with built-in FTP servers or 
 store files remotely on a server somewhere. For the most part, I don't need 
 to do the sort of things with a phone to where this is a big enough of a 
 pain to me, and so I use an iPhone. However, for most computing tasks, this 
 is way too much of a lock down. I mean, if Apple wants to lock up the 
 programs, that's one thing, but they should at least have a common place on 
 the iPhone/iPad where programs can store and share files with each other. 
 Like I said, if I can only get a voice memo out of the voice memo recording 
 program by using its built-in function to e-mail it to me, then I'll deal, 
 but trying to undertake large projects on one of these devices is a 
 frustrating activity that I'd never recommend. These devices just are not 
 made for producing content. They're meant to be very nice Internet terminals.
 
 Bryan
 
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 Subject: RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad
 
 And it's useable with VO on  the iPad?
 
 
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 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Shaw
 Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 1:26 a.m.
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 Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad
 
 The full iWorks suite is available specifically; for iPad. This includes 
 Pages, Numbers and Keynote. 
 
 Good luck,
 Kevin
 
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Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

2010-07-31 Thread Chris Moore
If you have a mobile me account, can you not save the documents to iDisk?
On 30 Jul 2010, at 18:46, Bryan Smart wrote:

 Simon, it is usable, but you may not actually want to use it.  I had an iPad, 
 and I tried this stuff, but I didn't do it a lot, and I haven't tried it in a 
 while, so I'll probably make some mistakes in my description. There will 
 undoubtedly be some iPad people that tell me that I overlooked something. 
 That's fine, but here is the general idea.
 
 So, you want to put a file on your iPad to edit while you're away from home. 
 You know that you can't just hook up the iPad to the computer and copy the 
 file over, as the iPad security doesn't allow that.
 
 Here is what you must do. You must add the file to iTunes, including, I 
 think, marking it for sync. Then, you must start a sync of your iPad with 
 iTunes. When that completes, you need to go in to the iWork program on the 
 iPad that you want to use, like Pages, and locate the document. Except, you 
 can't use it right away. You must import the document in to Pages (I think it 
 converts it or something).
 
 Now, you can edit all you want.
 
 However, when you get back home, and want to print it, you must go through 
 the process in reverse. You have to go in to Pages on the iPad, load your 
 document, export it to a regular document, hook up to the Mac, sync with 
 iTunes, and then get it back in to your Word Processor.
 
 Basically, while iPad and iPhone programs can save and load files, they only 
 have access to the files that they specifically create, or that are brought 
 in to them through a sync with iTunes or over the Internet. Programs on the 
 iPad and iPhone can't access any file that was created by another program on 
 the same device, nor can they share their files with other iPad/iPhone 
 programs. You also can't access any documents or files that a program makes 
 from a computer, unless that program is authorized to sync through iTunes. 
 That's why programs like the Daisy book reader can't let you transfer books 
 directly to your device. They must waste time with built-in FTP servers or 
 store files remotely on a server somewhere. For the most part, I don't need 
 to do the sort of things with a phone to where this is a big enough of a pain 
 to me, and so I use an iPhone. However, for most computing tasks, this is way 
 too much of a lock down. I mean, if Apple wants to lock up the programs, 
 that's one thing, but they should at least have a common place on the 
 iPhone/iPad where programs can store and share files with each other. Like I 
 said, if I can only get a voice memo out of the voice memo recording program 
 by using its built-in function to e-mail it to me, then I'll deal, but trying 
 to undertake large projects on one of these devices is a frustrating activity 
 that I'd never recommend. These devices just are not made for producing 
 content. They're meant to be very nice Internet terminals.
 
 Bryan
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
 Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:16 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad
 
 And it's useable with VO on  the iPad?
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Shaw
 Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 1:26 a.m.
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad
 
 The full iWorks suite is available specifically; for iPad. This includes 
 Pages, Numbers and Keynote. 
 
 Good luck,
 Kevin
 
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RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

2010-07-31 Thread Bryan Smart
I can not say with certainty, but I thought that I read that it isn't possible.

I know that, with apps like Drop Box, you can certainly view and open your 
files on the remote server for viewing on your iPhone/iPad, but you're really 
just opening them inside the Drop Box app, using its own built-in viewers. Just 
like other apps, Drop Box can access files over the Internet, and can even 
download them in to its private sandbox on the iPhone/iPad, but it can't give 
other applications on the device access to the files.

The flash memory on the iPhone isn't so much of a disk or hard drive, as it is 
a kind of temporary cache memory. The way the iPhone works, all of the real 
storage of data and heavy processing is supposed to happen on a server that is 
reached via the Internet. The flash memory is mainly there so that the iPhone 
can hold a local temporary copy of data that would be too slow or large to 
constantly stream from the net connection, like program code, sounds and 
graphics that make up an app's interface, etc.

Apple didn't plan to let anyone make native programs for the iPhone in the 
beginning, so I guess they thought that this wouldn't matter. Later, when 
people started to make apps, they held on to this model, because, by preventing 
programs from accessing each other, they thought that they could prevent people 
from gaining access to protected content.

Now, they want the iPad to be able to be used for desktop-like tasks, but, with 
all of the app isolation, you must jump through hoops to share data that has 
been created on the device itself.

Apple's design choices are usually centered around making computing tasks 
simple by removing unnecessary choices in order to streamline a task. You lose 
flexibility, but the result is that, for most people, the program does what 
they want, with a minimum amount of fuss, and with little or no tech 
understanding required. They've done such a great job with the App Store, 
simplifying the processes of paying for, and installing software, down to the 
point where a complete tecnophobe could do it. iTunes and the iPod simplify the 
tasks of organizing and working with a music library. However, I find it very 
funny that, due to their choices, something as fundamental to a computer as 
word processing, requires all sorts of explanations regarding how to 
import/export between native format, how to selectively sync content, and how 
to put documents in to, and take them out of, iTunes on the Mac. Not that there 
is anything that could help the situation right now, given how locked down the 
iOS devices are. Anything that requires that you get data from your own 
devices, rather than a server somewhere, is profoundly frustrating. Think of 
the people making the Daisy players for iOS. Most players need only that you 
copy a book from your computer to a memory card, and put that card in to the 
player. With iOS devices, it is necessary to explain to people about how they 
must get both devices on to the same Wi-Fi network, but not just any public 
wi-fi network, but a private wi-fi network that allows intra-client 
communication. Then, they need to download, install, and learn to use an FTP 
client, connecting to the iOS device using a long code (an IP address), that 
they must listen to on the device and type in to their computer. That isn't too 
bad for tech types. For most people that buy an iOS device for its simplicity, 
and have no problem accomplishing most tasks, talking about special wi-fi 
networks, ftp clients, IP addresses, and other junk is enough to make them say 
why bother. I'll get a Victor Reader or Book Sense. In these cases, the iOS 
device is losing out because it is too complicated.

While I know that the main motivation for the iOS devices working this way is 
for security, the conspiracy theorist in me says that this inability to easily 
use your own content is not such an accident. It makes everyone a lot more 
money if you must pay to get what you want from the cloud, rather than using 
what you already have. Of course, techy users can find ways to partially use 
their content on the new devices, but non-techy users will often decide that it 
is just too complicated, and that they'd rather be doing other things with 
their time. Also, some of us wouldn't need to keep and maintain so many huge 
personal collections, if we could get what we want from the cloud.

Bryan

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris Moore
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 4:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

If you have a mobile me account, can you not save the documents to iDisk?
On 30 Jul 2010, at 18:46, Bryan Smart wrote:

 Simon, it is usable, but you may not actually want to use it.  I had an iPad, 
 and I tried this stuff, but I didn't do it a lot, and I haven't tried it in a 
 while, so I'll probably

RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

2010-07-30 Thread Bryan Smart
Simon, it is usable, but you may not actually want to use it.  I had an iPad, 
and I tried this stuff, but I didn't do it a lot, and I haven't tried it in a 
while, so I'll probably make some mistakes in my description. There will 
undoubtedly be some iPad people that tell me that I overlooked something. 
That's fine, but here is the general idea.

So, you want to put a file on your iPad to edit while you're away from home. 
You know that you can't just hook up the iPad to the computer and copy the file 
over, as the iPad security doesn't allow that.

Here is what you must do. You must add the file to iTunes, including, I think, 
marking it for sync. Then, you must start a sync of your iPad with iTunes. When 
that completes, you need to go in to the iWork program on the iPad that you 
want to use, like Pages, and locate the document. Except, you can't use it 
right away. You must import the document in to Pages (I think it converts it or 
something).

Now, you can edit all you want.

However, when you get back home, and want to print it, you must go through the 
process in reverse. You have to go in to Pages on the iPad, load your document, 
export it to a regular document, hook up to the Mac, sync with iTunes, and then 
get it back in to your Word Processor.

Basically, while iPad and iPhone programs can save and load files, they only 
have access to the files that they specifically create, or that are brought in 
to them through a sync with iTunes or over the Internet. Programs on the iPad 
and iPhone can't access any file that was created by another program on the 
same device, nor can they share their files with other iPad/iPhone programs. 
You also can't access any documents or files that a program makes from a 
computer, unless that program is authorized to sync through iTunes. That's why 
programs like the Daisy book reader can't let you transfer books directly to 
your device. They must waste time with built-in FTP servers or store files 
remotely on a server somewhere. For the most part, I don't need to do the sort 
of things with a phone to where this is a big enough of a pain to me, and so I 
use an iPhone. However, for most computing tasks, this is way too much of a 
lock down. I mean, if Apple wants to lock up the programs, that's one thing, 
but they should at least have a common place on the iPhone/iPad where programs 
can store and share files with each other. Like I said, if I can only get a 
voice memo out of the voice memo recording program by using its built-in 
function to e-mail it to me, then I'll deal, but trying to undertake large 
projects on one of these devices is a frustrating activity that I'd never 
recommend. These devices just are not made for producing content. They're meant 
to be very nice Internet terminals.

Bryan

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

And it's useable with VO on  the iPad?


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Shaw
Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 1:26 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

The full iWorks suite is available specifically; for iPad. This includes Pages, 
Numbers and Keynote. 

Good luck,
Kevin

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RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

2010-07-29 Thread Simon Fogarty
Isaac,

 

They're not apple stores as you know them but they are apple dealers.
Selling apple products and accessories nothing much in the way of pc /
windows based systems.

If I need anything major then they can get it but it's always a delay.

 

We're only a country of 4 million. So we probably don't rate on the apple
radar as such. But we're close enough to austrailia to piggy back on their
stock buying.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Isaac Obie
Sent: Wednesday, 28 July 2010 11:07 p.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

 

Hi simon,

It's been said on list that numbers is the exquivalent to excell or
something to that affect. so yes, numbers works with VO.

I wonder if any of those Apple dealers have any kind of setup like the Apple
store? Perhaps we're spoiled in America with all that exposure, but then
it's an American company..

Isaac

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From: Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com  

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:13 AM

Subject: RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

 

Apple store, wow, that would be a great Idea. I think the closest apple
store to me is in brisbaine austrailia, about 3 hours flying time from here.


We have a couple of apple dealers or stores that sell apple products, but no
apple stores.

 

As for checking out the device, I purchased one and have been using it for
everything else, but I'd like to have acces to word processing and spred
sheets if possible.

I wondered how accessible numbers was with vo? Has anyone tried it?

 

And thanks for the thought, but it's just not possible.

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Isaac Obie
Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 11:19 p.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

 

Hi Simon,

Is it convenient for you to get to an Apple store near where you live? they
have a genius bar where they can answer all your questions. You can even
make appointments to see the equipment before buying. I plan to check this
out before I decide to buy an iphone.

Isaac

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:41 AM

Subject: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

 

Hi team,

What word processors and spredsheet programs are available for  the iPad?

 

And are they usable with voice over?

 

Cheers 

 

Simon f

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RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

2010-07-28 Thread Simon Fogarty
Apple store, wow, that would be a great Idea. I think the closest apple
store to me is in brisbaine austrailia, about 3 hours flying time from here.


We have a couple of apple dealers or stores that sell apple products, but no
apple stores.

 

As for checking out the device, I purchased one and have been using it for
everything else, but I'd like to have acces to word processing and spred
sheets if possible.

I wondered how accessible numbers was with vo? Has anyone tried it?

 

And thanks for the thought, but it's just not possible.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Isaac Obie
Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 11:19 p.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

 

Hi Simon,

Is it convenient for you to get to an Apple store near where you live? they
have a genius bar where they can answer all your questions. You can even
make appointments to see the equipment before buying. I plan to check this
out before I decide to buy an iphone.

Isaac

- Original Message - 

From: Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com  

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:41 AM

Subject: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

 

Hi team,

What word processors and spredsheet programs are available for  the iPad?

 

And are they usable with voice over?

 

Cheers 

 

Simon f

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RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

2010-07-28 Thread Simon Fogarty
And it's useable with VO on  the iPad?


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Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

The full iWorks suite is available specifically; for iPad. This includes
Pages, Numbers and Keynote. 

Good luck,
Kevin

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Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

2010-07-28 Thread Isaac Obie
Hi simon,
It's been said on list that numbers is the exquivalent to excell or something 
to that affect. so yes, numbers works with VO.
I wonder if any of those Apple dealers have any kind of setup like the Apple 
store? Perhaps we're spoiled in America with all that exposure, but then it's 
an American company..
Isaac
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:13 AM
  Subject: RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad


  Apple store, wow, that would be a great Idea. I think the closest apple store 
to me is in brisbaine austrailia, about 3 hours flying time from here. 

  We have a couple of apple dealers or stores that sell apple products, but no 
apple stores.

   

  As for checking out the device, I purchased one and have been using it for 
everything else, but I'd like to have acces to word processing and spred sheets 
if possible.

  I wondered how accessible numbers was with vo? Has anyone tried it?

   

  And thanks for the thought, but it's just not possible.

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Isaac Obie
  Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 11:19 p.m.
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

   

  Hi Simon,

  Is it convenient for you to get to an Apple store near where you live? they 
have a genius bar where they can answer all your questions. You can even make 
appointments to see the equipment before buying. I plan to check this out 
before I decide to buy an iphone.

  Isaac

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From: Simon Fogarty 

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Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:41 AM

Subject: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

 

Hi team,

What word processors and spredsheet programs are available for  the iPad?

 

And are they usable with voice over?

 

Cheers 

 

Simon f

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Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

2010-07-26 Thread Isaac Obie
Hi Simon,
Is it convenient for you to get to an Apple store near where you live? they 
have a genius bar where they can answer all your questions. You can even make 
appointments to see the equipment before buying. I plan to check this out 
before I decide to buy an iphone.
Isaac
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  Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:41 AM
  Subject: word processing and spred sheets on ipad


  Hi team,

  What word processors and spredsheet programs are available for  the iPad?

   

  And are they usable with voice over?

   

  Cheers 

   

  Simon f


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Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad

2010-07-26 Thread Kevin Shaw
The full iWorks suite is available specifically; for iPad. This includes Pages, 
Numbers and Keynote. 

Good luck,
Kevin

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