Re: Preview pane

[Kevin Cussick]

Hello,   thanks very much for this I have a track pad and don’t really get on 
well with it.  but I will check the settings just if needed thanks again.
> On 18 Mar 2015, at 18:01, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Dionipher,
> 
> Here are my trackpad settings in System preferences:
> • Point&Click: Tap to click unchecked checkbox, Secondary click unchecked 
> checkbox, Look up unchecked checkbox, Three finger drag unchecked checkbox, 
> Tracking speed 33.3%.
> • Scroll & Zoom: Scroll direction: natural checked checkbox, Zoom in or out 
> checked checkbox, Smart zoom unchecked checkbox, Rotate checked checkbox.
> • More Gestures: Swipe between pages unchecked checkbox, Swipe between 
> full-screen apps unchecked checkbox, Notification Center unchecked checkbox, 
> Mission Control unchecked checkbox, App Exposé unchecked checkbox, Launchpad 
> unchecked checkbox, Show Desktop unchecked checkbox.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 17 Mar 2015, at 23:25, dionipher Presas Herrera  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hello anne, can you send again your trackpad preferences because i can seem 
>> to drag the slider up. 
>> thanks
>> dionipher
>>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 12:19, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Ed,
>>> 
>>> Yes, by “bring the mouse” i do mean VO-Cmd-F5.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 08:56, Edward Green  wrote:
 
 Hi Anne,
 
 Many thanks for posting this.
 
 Could I just check what you mean by ‘bring the mouse’? Do you mean VO 
 Command f5?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
> On 22 Feb 2015, at 07:51, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Stacey,
> 
> This has been discussed a great deal recently, but here are the 
> instructions once again.
> 
> Here’s how to disable the preview pane.
> 
> Put Mail into classic view by opening Mail preferences (Cmd-Comma) and 
> selecting Viewing in the toolbar then checking the Use classic layout 
> check box.
> Close Mail preferences and navigate to the messages table.
> Do not interact with the messages table but press VO-Down Arrow.
> You should be on a horizontal splitter.
> Make sure the Trackpad commander and Quick Nav are off.
> Bring the mouse.
> Press down on the bottom edge of the trackpad with one finger, and use 
> another finger to stroke the trackpad toward you.
> There should be nothing below the horizontal splitter the next time you 
> press VO-Down Arrow.
> 
> Sometimes it takes several attempts to get it right.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: Preview pane

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

thanks anne
> On 18 Mar 2015, at 7:01 pm, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Dionipher,
> 
> Here are my trackpad settings in System preferences:
> • Point&Click: Tap to click unchecked checkbox, Secondary click unchecked 
> checkbox, Look up unchecked checkbox, Three finger drag unchecked checkbox, 
> Tracking speed 33.3%.
> • Scroll & Zoom: Scroll direction: natural checked checkbox, Zoom in or out 
> checked checkbox, Smart zoom unchecked checkbox, Rotate checked checkbox.
> • More Gestures: Swipe between pages unchecked checkbox, Swipe between 
> full-screen apps unchecked checkbox, Notification Center unchecked checkbox, 
> Mission Control unchecked checkbox, App Exposé unchecked checkbox, Launchpad 
> unchecked checkbox, Show Desktop unchecked checkbox.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 17 Mar 2015, at 23:25, dionipher Presas Herrera  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hello anne, can you send again your trackpad preferences because i can seem 
>> to drag the slider up. 
>> thanks
>> dionipher
>>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 12:19, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Ed,
>>> 
>>> Yes, by “bring the mouse” i do mean VO-Cmd-F5.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 08:56, Edward Green  wrote:
 
 Hi Anne,
 
 Many thanks for posting this.
 
 Could I just check what you mean by ‘bring the mouse’? Do you mean VO 
 Command f5?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Ed
> On 22 Feb 2015, at 07:51, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Stacey,
> 
> This has been discussed a great deal recently, but here are the 
> instructions once again.
> 
> Here’s how to disable the preview pane.
> 
> Put Mail into classic view by opening Mail preferences (Cmd-Comma) and 
> selecting Viewing in the toolbar then checking the Use classic layout 
> check box.
> Close Mail preferences and navigate to the messages table.
> Do not interact with the messages table but press VO-Down Arrow.
> You should be on a horizontal splitter.
> Make sure the Trackpad commander and Quick Nav are off.
> Bring the mouse.
> Press down on the bottom edge of the trackpad with one finger, and use 
> another finger to stroke the trackpad toward you.
> There should be nothing below the horizontal splitter the next time you 
> press VO-Down Arrow.
> 
> Sometimes it takes several attempts to get it right.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: Preview pane

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Dionipher,

Here are my trackpad settings in System preferences:
• Point&Click: Tap to click unchecked checkbox, Secondary click unchecked 
checkbox, Look up unchecked checkbox, Three finger drag unchecked checkbox, 
Tracking speed 33.3%.
• Scroll & Zoom: Scroll direction: natural checked checkbox, Zoom in or out 
checked checkbox, Smart zoom unchecked checkbox, Rotate checked checkbox.
• More Gestures: Swipe between pages unchecked checkbox, Swipe between 
full-screen apps unchecked checkbox, Notification Center unchecked checkbox, 
Mission Control unchecked checkbox, App Exposé unchecked checkbox, Launchpad 
unchecked checkbox, Show Desktop unchecked checkbox.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 17 Mar 2015, at 23:25, dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
> hello anne, can you send again your trackpad preferences because i can seem 
> to drag the slider up. 
> thanks
> dionipher
>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 12:19, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Ed,
>> 
>> Yes, by “bring the mouse” i do mean VO-Cmd-F5.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 08:56, Edward Green  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Anne,
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for posting this.
>>> 
>>> Could I just check what you mean by ‘bring the mouse’? Do you mean VO 
>>> Command f5?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Ed
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 07:51, Anne Robertson  wrote:
 
 Hello Stacey,
 
 This has been discussed a great deal recently, but here are the 
 instructions once again.
 
 Here’s how to disable the preview pane.
 
 Put Mail into classic view by opening Mail preferences (Cmd-Comma) and 
 selecting Viewing in the toolbar then checking the Use classic layout 
 check box.
 Close Mail preferences and navigate to the messages table.
 Do not interact with the messages table but press VO-Down Arrow.
 You should be on a horizontal splitter.
 Make sure the Trackpad commander and Quick Nav are off.
 Bring the mouse.
 Press down on the bottom edge of the trackpad with one finger, and use 
 another finger to stroke the trackpad toward you.
 There should be nothing below the horizontal splitter the next time you 
 press VO-Down Arrow.
 
 Sometimes it takes several attempts to get it right.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
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Re: Preview pane

[dionipher Presas Herrera]

hello anne, can you send again your trackpad preferences because i can seem to 
drag the slider up. 
thanks
dionipher
> On 22 Feb 2015, at 12:19, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ed,
> 
> Yes, by “bring the mouse” i do mean VO-Cmd-F5.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 08:56, Edward Green  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> 
>> Many thanks for posting this.
>> 
>> Could I just check what you mean by ‘bring the mouse’? Do you mean VO 
>> Command f5?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Ed
>>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 07:51, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Stacey,
>>> 
>>> This has been discussed a great deal recently, but here are the 
>>> instructions once again.
>>> 
>>> Here’s how to disable the preview pane.
>>> 
>>> Put Mail into classic view by opening Mail preferences (Cmd-Comma) and 
>>> selecting Viewing in the toolbar then checking the Use classic layout check 
>>> box.
>>> Close Mail preferences and navigate to the messages table.
>>> Do not interact with the messages table but press VO-Down Arrow.
>>> You should be on a horizontal splitter.
>>> Make sure the Trackpad commander and Quick Nav are off.
>>> Bring the mouse.
>>> Press down on the bottom edge of the trackpad with one finger, and use 
>>> another finger to stroke the trackpad toward you.
>>> There should be nothing below the horizontal splitter the next time you 
>>> press VO-Down Arrow.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes it takes several attempts to get it right.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
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Re: Preview pane

[John Panarese]

  Yes, hold control and option and rotate two fingers on the trackpad counter 
clockwise. Doing it clockwise will enable it.


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> On Mar 9, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Thank you for your detailed instructions. However I have one question. Is 
> there a keystroke to disable trackpad commander without having to going to VO 
>  utility? 
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Mar 5, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Stacey,
> 
> I replied to you on this subject a couple of weeks ago but here are the 
> instructions once again.
> 
> Disabling the preview pane.
> 
> Put Mail into classic view by opening Mail preferences (Cmd-Comma) and 
> selecting Viewing in the toolbar then checking the Use classic layout check 
> box.
> Close Mail preferences and navigate to the messages table.
> Do not interact with the messages table but press VO-Down Arrow.
> You should be on a horizontal splitter.
> Make sure the Trackpad commander and Quick Nav are off.
> Bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5).
> Press down on the bottom edge of the trackpad with one finger, and use 
> another finger to stroke the trackpad toward you.
> There should be nothing below the horizontal splitter the next time you press 
> VO-Down Arrow.
> 
> Sometimes it takes several attempts to get it right.
> 
> From now on, you should be able to read messages by pressing Return.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
>> On 5 Mar 2015, at 15:38, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I’m running Yosemite on my new macbook air.
>> How do I disable the preview pane in mail? After doing this, How do I read 
>> my messages in mail?
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
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Re: Preview pane

[Pamela Francis]

Hello,
Thank you for your detailed instructions. However I have one question. Is there 
a keystroke to disable trackpad commander without having to going to VO  
utility? 

Pam Francis

On Mar 5, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello Stacey,

I replied to you on this subject a couple of weeks ago but here are the 
instructions once again.

Disabling the preview pane.

Put Mail into classic view by opening Mail preferences (Cmd-Comma) and 
selecting Viewing in the toolbar then checking the Use classic layout check box.
Close Mail preferences and navigate to the messages table.
Do not interact with the messages table but press VO-Down Arrow.
You should be on a horizontal splitter.
Make sure the Trackpad commander and Quick Nav are off.
Bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5).
Press down on the bottom edge of the trackpad with one finger, and use another 
finger to stroke the trackpad toward you.
There should be nothing below the horizontal splitter the next time you press 
VO-Down Arrow.

Sometimes it takes several attempts to get it right.

>From now on, you should be able to read messages by pressing Return.

Cheers,

Anne
> On 5 Mar 2015, at 15:38, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I’m running Yosemite on my new macbook air.
> How do I disable the preview pane in mail? After doing this, How do I read my 
> messages in mail?
> Thank you.
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
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Re: Preview pane

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks Anne,
I think I misunderstood your directions before.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> On Mar 5, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Stacey,
> 
> I replied to you on this subject a couple of weeks ago but here are the 
> instructions once again.
> 
> Disabling the preview pane.
> 
> Put Mail into classic view by opening Mail preferences (Cmd-Comma) and 
> selecting Viewing in the toolbar then checking the Use classic layout check 
> box.
> Close Mail preferences and navigate to the messages table.
> Do not interact with the messages table but press VO-Down Arrow.
> You should be on a horizontal splitter.
> Make sure the Trackpad commander and Quick Nav are off.
> Bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5).
> Press down on the bottom edge of the trackpad with one finger, and use 
> another finger to stroke the trackpad toward you.
> There should be nothing below the horizontal splitter the next time you press 
> VO-Down Arrow.
> 
> Sometimes it takes several attempts to get it right.
> 
> From now on, you should be able to read messages by pressing Return.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
>> On 5 Mar 2015, at 15:38, Stacey Robinson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I’m running Yosemite on my new macbook air.
>> How do I disable the preview pane in mail? After doing this, How do I read 
>> my messages in mail?
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
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Re: Preview pane

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Stacey,

I replied to you on this subject a couple of weeks ago but here are the 
instructions once again.

Disabling the preview pane.

Put Mail into classic view by opening Mail preferences (Cmd-Comma) and 
selecting Viewing in the toolbar then checking the Use classic layout check box.
Close Mail preferences and navigate to the messages table.
Do not interact with the messages table but press VO-Down Arrow.
You should be on a horizontal splitter.
Make sure the Trackpad commander and Quick Nav are off.
Bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5).
Press down on the bottom edge of the trackpad with one finger, and use another 
finger to stroke the trackpad toward you.
There should be nothing below the horizontal splitter the next time you press 
VO-Down Arrow.

Sometimes it takes several attempts to get it right.

>From now on, you should be able to read messages by pressing Return.

Cheers,

Anne
> On 5 Mar 2015, at 15:38, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I’m running Yosemite on my new macbook air.
> How do I disable the preview pane in mail? After doing this, How do I read my 
> messages in mail?
> Thank you.
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
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Re: Preview pane

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ed,

Yes, by “bring the mouse” i do mean VO-Cmd-F5.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 22 Feb 2015, at 08:56, Edward Green  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne,
> 
> Many thanks for posting this.
> 
> Could I just check what you mean by ‘bring the mouse’? Do you mean VO Command 
> f5?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ed
>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 07:51, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Stacey,
>> 
>> This has been discussed a great deal recently, but here are the instructions 
>> once again.
>> 
>> Here’s how to disable the preview pane.
>> 
>> Put Mail into classic view by opening Mail preferences (Cmd-Comma) and 
>> selecting Viewing in the toolbar then checking the Use classic layout check 
>> box.
>> Close Mail preferences and navigate to the messages table.
>> Do not interact with the messages table but press VO-Down Arrow.
>> You should be on a horizontal splitter.
>> Make sure the Trackpad commander and Quick Nav are off.
>> Bring the mouse.
>> Press down on the bottom edge of the trackpad with one finger, and use 
>> another finger to stroke the trackpad toward you.
>> There should be nothing below the horizontal splitter the next time you 
>> press VO-Down Arrow.
>> 
>> Sometimes it takes several attempts to get it right.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
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Re: Preview pane

[Edward Green]

Hi Anne,

Many thanks for posting this.

Could I just check what you mean by ‘bring the mouse’? Do you mean VO Command 
f5?

Cheers,

Ed
> On 22 Feb 2015, at 07:51, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Stacey,
> 
> This has been discussed a great deal recently, but here are the instructions 
> once again.
> 
> Here’s how to disable the preview pane.
> 
> Put Mail into classic view by opening Mail preferences (Cmd-Comma) and 
> selecting Viewing in the toolbar then checking the Use classic layout check 
> box.
> Close Mail preferences and navigate to the messages table.
> Do not interact with the messages table but press VO-Down Arrow.
> You should be on a horizontal splitter.
> Make sure the Trackpad commander and Quick Nav are off.
> Bring the mouse.
> Press down on the bottom edge of the trackpad with one finger, and use 
> another finger to stroke the trackpad toward you.
> There should be nothing below the horizontal splitter the next time you press 
> VO-Down Arrow.
> 
> Sometimes it takes several attempts to get it right.
> 
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> 
> Anne
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Re: Preview pane

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Stacey,

This has been discussed a great deal recently, but here are the instructions 
once again.

Here’s how to disable the preview pane.

Put Mail into classic view by opening Mail preferences (Cmd-Comma) and 
selecting Viewing in the toolbar then checking the Use classic layout check box.
Close Mail preferences and navigate to the messages table.
Do not interact with the messages table but press VO-Down Arrow.
You should be on a horizontal splitter.
Make sure the Trackpad commander and Quick Nav are off.
Bring the mouse.
Press down on the bottom edge of the trackpad with one finger, and use another 
finger to stroke the trackpad toward you.
There should be nothing below the horizontal splitter the next time you press 
VO-Down Arrow.

Sometimes it takes several attempts to get it right.

Cheers,

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Re: preview pane?

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

Reggie,
You just hit enter on a message when you want to read it.  After you read it, 
you can then hit delete or use command w to close the message and then do with 
it as you like.

As for getting rid of it, there are several ways.
I am using a script, but others are having problems with this same apple script.

One way to get rid of the preveiw pane is to find the horizontal splitter in 
your messages table.  Interact with the splitter, bring the mouse to it with vo 
shift f5, then I think you have to drag your finger down on the track pad, 
making sure the vo part of the track pad is turned off.  You turn off the track 
pad commander by doing vo and turning your fingers like a dial, like on the i 
phone.  vo will say track pad commander on or off, depending.

You will know if the pane is gone because then you will have to hit enter on a 
message to read it, instead of using vo j.

hth.
Cait

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> Thank you for the answer, but now this brings up another question. If I got 
> rid of the preview pane, how would I read mail? How do you get rid of it? 
> Thanks in advance. Just so darned much to learn, and I am still on mail! lol. 
> I think I felt like this when I had Windows at first! (smiles) Thanks for the 
> patience too.
> 
> 
> reggie and Allegra
> 
> On Feb 19, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
> In addition to this, I've found that using the preview pane with braille can 
> be tricky.  I'm liking not having it now that I have my braille display.
> Cait
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Regina Alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think I am getting stuck between wording for windows and wording for 
>> Apple. What is the preview pane and why is it necessary to get around it? I 
>> feel stupid, but I am still a Mac baby and virtually have no idea what I am 
>> doing.
>> 
>> 
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Re: preview pane?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Reggie,

To read a message, press Return, and if you're using a Braille display, 
interact and you'll be able to navigate normally.

To get rid of the preview pane, navigate to the horizontal splitter if you're 
in classic view, bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5), with track pad commander off, 
press down on the track pad with one finger, and stroke down the way with 
another. That should get rid of it.

I should think that navigating to the vertical splitter to the right of the 
messages table and swiping right with one finger should do the same job in 
modern view but I haven't tried that as I always use classic view.

Cheers,

Anne




On 19 Feb 2014, at 20:27, Regina Alvarado  wrote:

> Thank you for the answer, but now this brings up another question. If I got 
> rid of the preview pane, how would I read mail? How do you get rid of it? 
> Thanks in advance. Just so darned much to learn, and I am still on mail! lol. 
> I think I felt like this when I had Windows at first! (smiles) Thanks for the 
> patience too.
> 
> 
> reggie and Allegra
> 
> On Feb 19, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
> In addition to this, I've found that using the preview pane with braille can 
> be tricky.  I'm liking not having it now that I have my braille display.
> Cait
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Regina Alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think I am getting stuck between wording for windows and wording for 
>> Apple. What is the preview pane and why is it necessary to get around it? I 
>> feel stupid, but I am still a Mac baby and virtually have no idea what I am 
>> doing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: preview pane?

[Regina Alvarado]

Thank you for the answer, but now this brings up another question. If I got rid 
of the preview pane, how would I read mail? How do you get rid of it? Thanks in 
advance. Just so darned much to learn, and I am still on mail! lol. I think I 
felt like this when I had Windows at first! (smiles) Thanks for the patience 
too.


reggie and Allegra

On Feb 19, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
wrote:

In addition to this, I've found that using the preview pane with braille can be 
tricky.  I'm liking not having it now that I have my braille display.
Cait

> On Feb 19, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Regina Alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> I think I am getting stuck between wording for windows and wording for Apple. 
> What is the preview pane and why is it necessary to get around it? I feel 
> stupid, but I am still a Mac baby and virtually have no idea what I am doing.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: preview pane?

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

In addition to this, I've found that using the preview pane with braille can be 
tricky.  I'm liking not having it now that I have my braille display.
Cait

On Feb 19, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Regina Alvarado  wrote:

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> What is the preview pane and why is it necessary to get around it? I feel 
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Re: preview pane?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Reggie,

The preview pane is where the body of the message is displayed. If you use VO-j 
to jump to the body of the message, you're jumping to the preview pane.

The downside of displaying the preview pane for VO users is that when you 
navigate down to a message, it opens automatically so you can never skip over a 
message to read it later and have it show up as unread.

I have always got rid of the preview pane because I prefer to choose which 
messages I want to read and when.

Cheers,

Anne


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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Ioana Gandrabur]

HI,

In view preferences of mail. Set list preview to none. NOt sure if this will 
solve your problem but worth a try.

Best,

Ioaana

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.
pain to none.
On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

> Where might I find that setting?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-14, at 7:49 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
>> Did you make sure that the number of preview lines is 0? Very strange!
>> Best,
>> 
>> Ioana
>> 
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>> stores.
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, the messages are read while cursing through and I do have a horizontal 
>>> bar immediately following the collapsed vertical bar.
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-14, at 1:24 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,. 
 
 When are those messages being red? As you arrow through them?. 
 Have to ask again, sorry, did you double check that after the collapsed 
 vertical splitter there follows a horizontal one?. 
 Good luck with solving this issue!. 
 
 Best,. 
 
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 On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick  
 wrote:
 
> Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view 
> in Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to 
> collapse.  This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being 
> read.  Any other thoughts?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Try the following.
>> 
>> 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the 
>> Messages table.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the 
>> VO cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
>> Splitter".
>> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the 
>> top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that 
>> you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action 
>> will work.
>> 
>> 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
>> Column Group.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO 
>> cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was 
>> supposed to do.
>> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near 
>> the left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and 
>> release.  As in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad 
>> button so that the dragging process will occur.
>> 
>> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal 
>> Splitter and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical 
>> Splitter. Each case requires a different dragging direction if you 
>> choose that option.
>> 
>> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you 
>> can navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
>> "Message Content Area", life is good.
>> 
>> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  
>> In Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of 
>> the "New Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, 
>> one after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once 
>> you've located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press 
>> VO-down.  Vo will announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  
>> In non-Classic layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the 
>> right of the Messages Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right 
>> and VO will announce "Collapsed" if the Preview pane is gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
>>> horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the 
>>> left which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does 
>>> nothing.  Any other tips?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad 
 with trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 ri

Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Alex Hall]

It worked for me, and nothing is marked as read once I arrow over it anymore. 
unfortunately, I can no longer use vo-j, which I wouldn't mind if cmd-o didn't 
read the subject and some other text all over again before reading the message. 
Also, the handy feature, where arrowing would decide in which direction focus 
moved when deleting seems to no longer work either, so focus always moves up. I 
suppose it's a trade-off...
On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

> Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
> Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to collapse.  
> This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being read.  Any other 
> thoughts?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Try the following.
>> 
>> 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
>> table.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
>> cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
>> Splitter".
>> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the top 
>> of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that you 
>> actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will work.
>> 
>> 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
>> Group.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO cursor. 
>>  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed to do.
>> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
>> left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As 
>> in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that 
>> the dragging process will occur.
>> 
>> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter 
>> and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. 
>> Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.
>> 
>> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
>> navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
>> "Message Content Area", life is good.
>> 
>> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
>> Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the "New 
>> Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one after the 
>> Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've located 
>> this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo will 
>> announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic layout, 
>> navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
>> Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce "Collapsed" 
>> if the Preview pane is gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
>>> horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the left 
>>> which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does nothing.  
>>> Any other tips?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
 trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  
 wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in Lion 
> and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a new 
> computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
> 
> I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact.  
> I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any 
> other tips?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Jeff Berwick]

Where might I find that setting?

Jeff

On 2012-08-14, at 7:49 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Did you make sure that the number of preview lines is 0? Very strange!
> Best,
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, the messages are read while cursing through and I do have a horizontal 
>> bar immediately following the collapsed vertical bar.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> On 2012-08-14, at 1:24 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,. 
>>> 
>>> When are those messages being red? As you arrow through them?. 
>>> Have to ask again, sorry, did you double check that after the collapsed 
>>> vertical splitter there follows a horizontal one?. 
>>> Good luck with solving this issue!. 
>>> 
>>> Best,. 
>>> 
>>> Ioana 
>>> 
>>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online 
>>> stores.
>>> Sent from my phone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>>> 
 Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
 Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to 
 collapse.  This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being 
 read.  Any other thoughts?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Try the following.
> 
> 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
> 
> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the 
> Messages table.
> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the 
> VO cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
> Splitter".
> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the 
> top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that 
> you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action 
> will work.
> 
> 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
> 
> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
> Column Group.
> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO 
> cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was 
> supposed to do.
> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
> left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  
> As in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so 
> that the dragging process will occur.
> 
> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal 
> Splitter and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical 
> Splitter. Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose 
> that option.
> 
> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
> navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
> "Message Content Area", life is good.
> 
> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  
> In Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of 
> the "New Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, 
> one after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once 
> you've located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press 
> VO-down.  Vo will announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  
> In non-Classic layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the 
> right of the Messages Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right 
> and VO will announce "Collapsed" if the Preview pane is gone.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
>> horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the 
>> left which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does 
>> nothing.  Any other tips?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad 
>>> with trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in 
 Lion and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased 
 a new computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am

Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Did you make sure that the number of preview lines is 0? Very strange!
Best,

Ioana

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

> Yes, the messages are read while cursing through and I do have a horizontal 
> bar immediately following the collapsed vertical bar.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-14, at 1:24 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,. 
>> 
>> When are those messages being red? As you arrow through them?. 
>> Have to ask again, sorry, did you double check that after the collapsed 
>> vertical splitter there follows a horizontal one?. 
>> Good luck with solving this issue!. 
>> 
>> Best,. 
>> 
>> Ioana 
>> 
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online 
>> stores.
>> Sent from my phone
>> 
>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
>>> Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to 
>>> collapse.  This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being 
>>> read.  Any other thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Try the following.
 
 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
 table.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
 cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
 Splitter".
 • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the 
 top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that 
 you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will 
 work.
 
 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
 Column Group.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO 
 cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed 
 to do.
 • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
 left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  
 As in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so 
 that the dragging process will occur.
 
 Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal 
 Splitter and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical 
 Splitter. Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose 
 that option.
 
 There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
 navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
 "Message Content Area", life is good.
 
 The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
 Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the 
 "New Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one 
 after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've 
 located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo 
 will announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic 
 layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the 
 Messages Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will 
 announce "Collapsed" if the Preview pane is gone.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
 
> Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
> horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the 
> left which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does 
> nothing.  Any other tips?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
>> trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in 
>>> Lion and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased 
>>> a new computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
>>> 
>>> I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and 
>>> interact.  I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go 
>>> away.  Any other tips?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> J

Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Jeff Berwick]

Yes, the messages are read while cursing through and I do have a horizontal bar 
immediately following the collapsed vertical bar.

Thx,
Jeff

On 2012-08-14, at 1:24 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Hi,. 
> 
> When are those messages being red? As you arrow through them?. 
> Have to ask again, sorry, did you double check that after the collapsed 
> vertical splitter there follows a horizontal one?. 
> Good luck with solving this issue!. 
> 
> Best,. 
> 
> Ioana 
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online 
> stores.
> Sent from my phone
> 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
>> Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
>> Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to collapse. 
>>  This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being read.  Any 
>> other thoughts?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Try the following.
>>> 
>>> 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
>>> 
>>> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
>>> table.
>>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
>>> cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
>>> Splitter".
>>> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the 
>>> top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that 
>>> you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will 
>>> work.
>>> 
>>> 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
>>> 
>>> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
>>> Column Group.
>>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO 
>>> cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed 
>>> to do.
>>> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
>>> left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As 
>>> in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that 
>>> the dragging process will occur.
>>> 
>>> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter 
>>> and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. 
>>> Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.
>>> 
>>> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
>>> navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
>>> "Message Content Area", life is good.
>>> 
>>> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
>>> Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the 
>>> "New Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one 
>>> after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've 
>>> located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo 
>>> will announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic 
>>> layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
>>> Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce 
>>> "Collapsed" if the Preview pane is gone.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
 horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the left 
 which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does nothing. 
  Any other tips?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
> trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in 
>> Lion and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a 
>> new computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
>> 
>> I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact. 
>>  I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any 
>> other tips?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I'm not sure if I understand your question totally.  In standard view, your 
messages are in conversations and by default, a couple of lines of the messages 
is displayed.  Vo will read this summarized version of the message and in some 
cases, this will be the entire message if the sender is not extremely wordy.  
Otherwise, VO will normally cut off if it is a longer message.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-08-13, at 7:46 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

> Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
> Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to collapse.  
> This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being read.  Any other 
> thoughts?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Try the following.
>> 
>> 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
>> table.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
>> cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
>> Splitter".
>> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the top 
>> of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that you 
>> actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will work.
>> 
>> 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
>> Group.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO cursor. 
>>  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed to do.
>> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
>> left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As 
>> in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that 
>> the dragging process will occur.
>> 
>> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter 
>> and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. 
>> Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.
>> 
>> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
>> navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
>> "Message Content Area", life is good.
>> 
>> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
>> Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the "New 
>> Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one after the 
>> Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've located 
>> this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo will 
>> announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic layout, 
>> navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
>> Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce "Collapsed" 
>> if the Preview pane is gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
>>> horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the left 
>>> which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does nothing.  
>>> Any other tips?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
 trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  
 wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in Lion 
> and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a new 
> computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
> 
> I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact.  
> I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any 
> other tips?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi,. 

When are those messages being red? As you arrow through them?. 
Have to ask again, sorry, did you double check that after the collapsed 
vertical splitter there follows a horizontal one?. 
Good luck with solving this issue!. 

Best,. 

Ioana 

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online 
stores.
Sent from my phone

On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

> Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
> Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to collapse.  
> This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being read.  Any other 
> thoughts?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Try the following.
>> 
>> 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
>> table.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
>> cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
>> Splitter".
>> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the top 
>> of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that you 
>> actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will work.
>> 
>> 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
>> Group.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO cursor. 
>>  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed to do.
>> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
>> left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As 
>> in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that 
>> the dragging process will occur.
>> 
>> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter 
>> and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. 
>> Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.
>> 
>> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
>> navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
>> "Message Content Area", life is good.
>> 
>> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
>> Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the "New 
>> Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one after the 
>> Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've located 
>> this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo will 
>> announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic layout, 
>> navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
>> Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce "Collapsed" 
>> if the Preview pane is gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
>>> horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the left 
>>> which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does nothing.  
>>> Any other tips?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
 trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  
 wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in Lion 
> and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a new 
> computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
> 
> I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact.  
> I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any 
> other tips?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Jeff Berwick]

Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in Mac 
Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to collapse.  This 
doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being read.  Any other 
thoughts?

Thx,
Jeff

On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Try the following.
> 
> 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
> 
> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
> table.
> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
> cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
> Splitter".
> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the top 
> of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that you 
> actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will work.
> 
> 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
> 
> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
> Group.
> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO cursor.  
> It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed to do.
> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
> left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As 
> in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that the 
> dragging process will occur.
> 
> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter 
> and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. Each 
> case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.
> 
> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
> navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about "Message 
> Content Area", life is good.
> 
> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
> Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the "New 
> Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one after the 
> Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've located this 
> Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo will announce 
> "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic layout, navigate 
> to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column Group and 
> Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce "Collapsed" if the 
> Preview pane is gone.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
>> horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the left 
>> which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does nothing.  
>> Any other tips?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
>>> trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in Lion 
 and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a new 
 computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
 
 I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact.  
 I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any other 
 tips?
 
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Try the following.

1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:

• Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
table.
• Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal Splitter".
• Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the top of 
the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that you actually 
make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will work.

2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:

• Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
Group.
• Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO cursor.  
It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed to do.
• Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the left 
hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As in the 
first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that the dragging 
process will occur.

Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter and 
in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. Each case 
requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.

There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about "Message 
Content Area", life is good.

The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the "New 
Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one after the 
Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've located this 
Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo will announce 
"Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic layout, navigate to 
the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column Group and 
Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce "Collapsed" if the 
Preview pane is gone.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

> Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
> horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the left 
> which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does nothing.  
> Any other tips?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
>> trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in Lion 
>>> and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a new 
>>> computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
>>> 
>>> I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact.  I 
>>> then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any other 
>>> tips?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Jeff Berwick]

Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The horizontal 
bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the left which has the 
list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does nothing.  Any other tips?

Thx,
Jeff

On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
> trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in Lion 
>> and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a new 
>> computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
>> 
>> I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact.  I 
>> then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any other 
>> tips?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in Lion 
> and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a new 
> computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
> 
> I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact.  I 
> then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any other tips?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
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Re: preview pane

[Rafaela Freundt]

Hi Ester,
thanks, it worked. Actually I did have to click the physical 
trackpad twice quickly for it to work, vo shift space twice didn't.
thanks again,
Rafaela
El 10/11/2010, a las 23:32, Esther escribió:

> Hi Rafaela,
> 
> You need to be on the horizontal splitter, and you need to double click with 
> your VO cursor on the splitter.  I'll paste in part of one of my very old 
> archived list posts:
> 
> To remove the preview pane in the Mail application
> 
> 1. Navigate (e.g. with VO-Right arrow) past the "Messages Table" to  
> where you hear "Horizontal Splitter".
> 2. Route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5
> 3 Double-click on the splitter either using VO-Shift-Space or by  
> pressing your physical mouse key or trackpad key twice quickly.  To  
> double click with VO-Shift-Space, hold down your Control, Option, and  
> Shift keys then tap the space bar twice quickly.  You should also be  
> able to double-click by quickly pressing the "5" key twice on a  
> numeric keypad with Numpad Commander enabled (only in Leopard or Snow  
> Leopard, not Tiger).
> 
> Anne has mentioned that using VO-Shift-Space doesn't always work as a  
> substitute for clicking or double-clicking, while clicking with mouse  
> or trackpad (or by using the Numpad Commander option) will work. This  
> can true for some applications with transitioning accessibility, but  
> I've always found it to work in commonly used applications like mail.
> 
> The two clicks must be close together.  If you click once, the system  
> expects that you will be issuing commands to move the splitter (e.g.  
> by interacting with it and using your arrow keys). The second click  
> tells it that you do not want to adjust it, but to drop it all the  
> way.  Note that you will never be able to do this if such an action  
> hides an essential window that means you cannot effectively use the  
> app.  I can move splitters with double-click to remove informational  
> windows in Automator; I can't remove any windows that are essential to  
> my using the application.
> 
> 
> HTH
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 06:15 PM, Rafaela Freundt  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Teresa,
>> I put the mouse and the vo cursor on the vertical splitter, then tried a vo 
>> shift space to clic the mouse. Nothing happened so I turned off trackpad 
>> commander and clicked the actual mouse. Nothing happened either. What am I 
>> missing? am I supposed to interact with it or do something else after?
>> thanks,
>> Rafaela, 
>> El 10/11/2010, a las 10:17, Teresa Cochran escribió:
>> 
>> > Hi, Rafaela,
>> > 
>> > Ensure that VO and the mouse pointer are on the horizontal splitter 
>> > between the list of messages and the preview pane. Use your actual mouse 
>> > to double-click it.
>> > 
>> > HTH,
>> > Teresa
>> > On Nov 10, 2010, at 2:48 AM, Rafaela Freundt wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Hi folks,
>> >> how can I disable the preview pane in mail?
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Rafaela
>> >> 
>> >>
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Re: preview pane

[Esther]

Hi Rafaela,

You need to be on the horizontal splitter, and you need to double click with 
your VO cursor on the splitter.  I'll paste in part of one of my very old 
archived list posts:

To remove the preview pane in the Mail application

1. Navigate (e.g. with VO-Right arrow) past the "Messages Table" to  
where you hear "Horizontal Splitter".

2. Route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5
3. Double-click on the splitter either using VO-Shift-Space or by  
pressing your physical mouse key or trackpad key twice quickly.  To  
double click with VO-Shift-Space, hold down your Control, Option, and  
Shift keys then tap the space bar twice quickly.  You should also be  
able to double-click by quickly pressing the "5" key twice on a  
numeric keypad with Numpad Commander enabled (only in Leopard or Snow  
Leopard, not Tiger).


Anne has mentioned that using VO-Shift-Space doesn't always work as a  
substitute for clicking or double-clicking, while clicking with mouse  
or trackpad (or by using the Numpad Commander option) will work. This  
can true for some applications with transitioning accessibility, but  
I've always found it to work in commonly used applications like mail.


The two clicks must be close together.  If you click once, the system  
expects that you will be issuing commands to move the splitter (e.g.  
by interacting with it and using your arrow keys). The second click  
tells it that you do not want to adjust it, but to drop it all the  
way.  Note that you will never be able to do this if such an action  
hides an essential window that means you cannot effectively use the  
app.  I can move splitters with double-click to remove informational  
windows in Automator; I can't remove any windows that are essential to  
my using the application.



HTH

Cheers,

Esther

On Nov 10, 2010, at 06:15 PM, Rafaela Freundt  wrote:

Hi Teresa,
I put the mouse and the vo cursor on the vertical splitter, then tried a vo 
shift space to clic the mouse. Nothing happened so I turned off trackpad 
commander and clicked the actual mouse. Nothing happened either. What am I 
missing? am I supposed to interact with it or do something else after?
thanks,
Rafaela, 
El 10/11/2010, a las 10:17, Teresa Cochran escribió:



Hi, Rafaela,

Ensure that VO and the mouse pointer are on the horizontal splitter between the 
list of messages and the preview pane. Use your actual mouse to double-click it.

HTH,
Teresa
On Nov 10, 2010, at 2:48 AM, Rafaela Freundt wrote:


Hi folks,
how can I disable the preview pane in mail?
Thanks,
Rafaela




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Re: preview pane

[Rafaela Freundt]

Hi Teresa,
I put the mouse and the vo cursor on the vertical splitter, then tried a vo 
shift space to clic the mouse. Nothing happened so I turned off trackpad 
commander and clicked the actual mouse. Nothing happened either. What am I 
missing? am I supposed to interact with it or do something else after?
thanks,
Rafaela, 
El 10/11/2010, a las 10:17, Teresa Cochran escribió:

> Hi, Rafaela,
> 
> Ensure that VO and the mouse pointer are on the horizontal splitter between 
> the list of messages and the preview pane. Use your actual mouse to 
> double-click it.
> 
> HTH,
> Teresa
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 2:48 AM, Rafaela Freundt wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> how can I disable the preview pane in mail?
>> Thanks,
>> Rafaela
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Re: preview pane

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Rafaela,

Ensure that VO and the mouse pointer are on the horizontal splitter between the 
list of messages and the preview pane. Use your actual mouse to double-click it.

HTH,
Teresa
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> Thanks,
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