Re: Location of script to say time [was Re: Voiceover dictionary in Apple Script.]
THanks Esther, you reminded me that I still need to figure out how to modify that script. I wanted to have it announce time in the 24 hour format, which I prefer. I remember looking at the script, but not having sufficient knowledge, I could not quite figure out how to modify it. So, now it is on my list of things to do. :) On Oct 6, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Geoff, Jonathan, Nic, Sarah, and Others, OK, thanks to Nic's reminder that toggling on keyboard help (VO+k) has VoiceOver announce the path to scripts enabled by Keyboard Commander, pressing the Right Option key+t gives the information that the time of day script may be found in: /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/ScreenReader.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Scripts as the entry TimeOfDay.applescript So those of you who want to navigate to that script, from Finder use Command+Shift+G (the Go to Folder shortcut), then copy and paste in the path given above to the folder in the /System/Library directory and press return. In that folder look for a file named TimeOfDay.applescript. Geoff, you can ignore the attached version of the script I sent you off list; this is the version Apple is using with Right Option key+T when you have Keyboard Commanders turned on under the Commanders menu of VoiceOver Utility. (This also explains why it didn't come up when I ran a find command from terminal -- I was searching for a file with .scpt extension, and these all have .applescript extensions.) This is Snow Leopard only. Also, those of you who want to speed up the time announcement, the rate is set for Text to Speech on your system, not the VoiceOver speaking rate. This is set under the Text to Speech tab of the Speech menu under System Preferences. To change the Text to Speech speaking rate: 1. Press either Control+F2 or VO+M to navigate to the Apple menu on the menu bar. 2. Arrow down and press s y and return to bring up System Preferences 3. Navigate (e.g., tab, or use item chooser menu) to Speech and press (VO+Space) 4. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the Text to Speech tab and press (VO+Space) 5. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) past the pop up button for the System Voice to the slider for Speaking Rate and interact, then use your VO+arrow keys to set the speaking rate. (Optional: if your language set up is not English, change the system voice from Alex to one that works for your language. For example, if you are a French speaker and have bought the Infovox French voices, VO+Space on the pop up button for the System Voice and change this to Alice or Julie.) 6. If you did not set up your clock to automatically announce time (on the hours, half hour, or quarter hour) when you first set up your Mac, you can do so from this pane. Continue to navigate (VO+Right arrow) past To have clock announce the time: to the Open Date Time Preferences button and press (VO+Space). 6a. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) on the Date Time preference pane to the Clock tab and press (VO+Space) to select. 6b. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the check box for Announce the time: and VO+Space to check it 6c. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the pop up button and use your arrow keys to select On the hour, On the half hour, or On the quarter hour. 6d. Optionally navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the Customize Voice… button and press (VO+Space). This takes you back to the speech menu to let you select another voice for text to speech announcements. Presumably, you already did this. 7. Close the system preferences window with Command+W Once again, this assumes that you have have checked Keyboard Commander under VoiceOver Utility so that you can press Right Option key+T to announce the time under Snow Leopard. The instructions for setting the speaking rate work for all text to speech functions, except for the text to speech in Adobe Reader, which ignores your System Preference settings for text to speech and requires you to set up all your options in the rather complex menu structure of Adobe Reader's own preferences menu. (You have to find both the locations to set in the preferences menu you bring up with Command+comma, and the option shortcuts to turn on text to speech in the View menu of the application.) HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 06, 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote: cool. thanks, but man that's long? lol! too bad a second press did n't reveal it int he finder. S On Oct 6, 2010, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! For those who are curious if you did not try this yet, toggling on keyboard help and hitting the command for the script tells you the path. Regards, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
Re: Voiceover dictionary in Apple Script.
To answer my own question with the assistance of an off list note from Alex Jurgensen I can answer part of my own question. When launching the dictionary, focus is in a tool bar which VO automatically interacts with, hence the first step is to stop that interaction which renders the 22 available voice commands visible. Would still love to find that time of date script though so as to get an idea about the syntax and methodology. Best regards. Geoff On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:44 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote: Greetings, When I open the Apple Script editor and select file - open dictionary - voiceover.app, the resulting dialog makes absolutely no sense. There seems to be a view group consisting of three unlabeled check boxes that behave like radio buttons since checking one causes the other two to be unselected. There are also groups labeled back forward and text size. I tried entering something in the terminology search field but no results appeared. I assumed I might know what to do with items once I found them in the dictionary, but perhaps someone could suggest a documentation source? TIA for any insight and best regards. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voiceover dictionary in Apple Script.
The voice over manual has some descriptions of what you can do with apple script in VoiceOver. Essentially I think you can do things like Voice-Over find and read item in voice Over caret. The really cool things that you can do in say a jaws script have to be done with UI agents. So there is a way to capture when the active wwindow is changed from say Mail to iChat , but the VoiceOver appleScript additions do not provide that functionality. Was there something specific you were looking at doing? Jon On 05/10/2010, GEOFF WAALER geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, When I open the Apple Script editor and select file - open dictionary - voiceover.app, the resulting dialog makes absolutely no sense. There seems to be a view group consisting of three unlabeled check boxes that behave like radio buttons since checking one causes the other two to be unselected. There are also groups labeled back forward and text size. I tried entering something in the terminology search field but no results appeared. I assumed I might know what to do with items once I found them in the dictionary, but perhaps someone could suggest a documentation source? TIA for any insight and best regards. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voiceover dictionary in Apple Script.
The question about the time of day script was answered a while back by I believe Ester. The script will be in either /Library or /system/library Jon On 06/10/2010, Jonathan Cohn jon.c.c...@gmail.com wrote: The voice over manual has some descriptions of what you can do with apple script in VoiceOver. Essentially I think you can do things like Voice-Over find and read item in voice Over caret. The really cool things that you can do in say a jaws script have to be done with UI agents. So there is a way to capture when the active wwindow is changed from say Mail to iChat , but the VoiceOver appleScript additions do not provide that functionality. Was there something specific you were looking at doing? Jon On 05/10/2010, GEOFF WAALER geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, When I open the Apple Script editor and select file - open dictionary - voiceover.app, the resulting dialog makes absolutely no sense. There seems to be a view group consisting of three unlabeled check boxes that behave like radio buttons since checking one causes the other two to be unselected. There are also groups labeled back forward and text size. I tried entering something in the terminology search field but no results appeared. I assumed I might know what to do with items once I found them in the dictionary, but perhaps someone could suggest a documentation source? TIA for any insight and best regards. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voiceover dictionary in Apple Script.
Hi! For those who are curious if you did not try this yet, toggling on keyboard help and hitting the command for the script tells you the path. Regards, Nic On Oct 6, 2010, at 10:30 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: The question about the time of day script was answered a while back by I believe Ester. The script will be in either /Library or /system/library Jon On 06/10/2010, Jonathan Cohn jon.c.c...@gmail.com wrote: The voice over manual has some descriptions of what you can do with apple script in VoiceOver. Essentially I think you can do things like Voice-Over find and read item in voice Over caret. The really cool things that you can do in say a jaws script have to be done with UI agents. So there is a way to capture when the active wwindow is changed from say Mail to iChat , but the VoiceOver appleScript additions do not provide that functionality. Was there something specific you were looking at doing? Jon On 05/10/2010, GEOFF WAALER geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, When I open the Apple Script editor and select file - open dictionary - voiceover.app, the resulting dialog makes absolutely no sense. There seems to be a view group consisting of three unlabeled check boxes that behave like radio buttons since checking one causes the other two to be unselected. There are also groups labeled back forward and text size. I tried entering something in the terminology search field but no results appeared. I assumed I might know what to do with items once I found them in the dictionary, but perhaps someone could suggest a documentation source? TIA for any insight and best regards. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Voiceover dictionary in Apple Script.
cool. thanks, but man that's long? lol! too bad a second press did n't reveal it int he finder. S On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! For those who are curious if you did not try this yet, toggling on keyboard help and hitting the command for the script tells you the path. Regards, Nic On Oct 6, 2010, at 10:30 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: The question about the time of day script was answered a while back by I believe Ester. The script will be in either /Library or /system/library Jon On 06/10/2010, Jonathan Cohn jon.c.c...@gmail.com wrote: The voice over manual has some descriptions of what you can do with apple script in VoiceOver. Essentially I think you can do things like Voice-Over find and read item in voice Over caret. The really cool things that you can do in say a jaws script have to be done with UI agents. So there is a way to capture when the active wwindow is changed from say Mail to iChat , but the VoiceOver appleScript additions do not provide that functionality. Was there something specific you were looking at doing? Jon On 05/10/2010, GEOFF WAALER geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, When I open the Apple Script editor and select file - open dictionary - voiceover.app, the resulting dialog makes absolutely no sense. There seems to be a view group consisting of three unlabeled check boxes that behave like radio buttons since checking one causes the other two to be unselected. There are also groups labeled back forward and text size. I tried entering something in the terminology search field but no results appeared. I assumed I might know what to do with items once I found them in the dictionary, but perhaps someone could suggest a documentation source? TIA for any insight and best regards. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Location of script to say time [was Re: Voiceover dictionary in Apple Script.]
Hi Geoff, Jonathan, Nic, Sarah, and Others, OK, thanks to Nic's reminder that toggling on keyboard help (VO+k) has VoiceOver announce the path to scripts enabled by Keyboard Commander, pressing the Right Option key+t gives the information that the time of day script may be found in: /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/ScreenReader.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Scripts as the entry TimeOfDay.applescript So those of you who want to navigate to that script, from Finder use Command+Shift+G (the Go to Folder shortcut), then copy and paste in the path given above to the folder in the /System/Library directory and press return. In that folder look for a file named TimeOfDay.applescript. Geoff, you can ignore the attached version of the script I sent you off list; this is the version Apple is using with Right Option key+T when you have Keyboard Commanders turned on under the Commanders menu of VoiceOver Utility. (This also explains why it didn't come up when I ran a find command from terminal -- I was searching for a file with .scpt extension, and these all have .applescript extensions.) This is Snow Leopard only. Also, those of you who want to speed up the time announcement, the rate is set for Text to Speech on your system, not the VoiceOver speaking rate. This is set under the Text to Speech tab of the Speech menu under System Preferences. To change the Text to Speech speaking rate: 1. Press either Control+F2 or VO+M to navigate to the Apple menu on the menu bar. 2. Arrow down and press s y and return to bring up System Preferences 3. Navigate (e.g., tab, or use item chooser menu) to Speech and press (VO+Space) 4. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the Text to Speech tab and press (VO+Space) 5. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) past the pop up button for the System Voice to the slider for Speaking Rate and interact, then use your VO+arrow keys to set the speaking rate. (Optional: if your language set up is not English, change the system voice from Alex to one that works for your language. For example, if you are a French speaker and have bought the Infovox French voices, VO+Space on the pop up button for the System Voice and change this to Alice or Julie.) 6. If you did not set up your clock to automatically announce time (on the hours, half hour, or quarter hour) when you first set up your Mac, you can do so from this pane. Continue to navigate (VO+Right arrow) past To have clock announce the time: to the Open Date Time Preferences button and press (VO+Space). 6a. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) on the Date Time preference pane to the Clock tab and press (VO+Space) to select. 6b. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the check box for Announce the time: and VO+Space to check it 6c. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the pop up button and use your arrow keys to select On the hour, On the half hour, or On the quarter hour. 6d. Optionally navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the Customize Voice… button and press (VO+Space). This takes you back to the speech menu to let you select another voice for text to speech announcements. Presumably, you already did this. 7. Close the system preferences window with Command+W Once again, this assumes that you have have checked Keyboard Commander under VoiceOver Utility so that you can press Right Option key+T to announce the time under Snow Leopard. The instructions for setting the speaking rate work for all text to speech functions, except for the text to speech in Adobe Reader, which ignores your System Preference settings for text to speech and requires you to set up all your options in the rather complex menu structure of Adobe Reader's own preferences menu. (You have to find both the locations to set in the preferences menu you bring up with Command+comma, and the option shortcuts to turn on text to speech in the View menu of the application.) HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 06, 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote: cool. thanks, but man that's long? lol! too bad a second press did n't reveal it int he finder. S On Oct 6, 2010, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! For those who are curious if you did not try this yet, toggling on keyboard help and hitting the command for the script tells you the path. Regards, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Location of script to say time [was Re: Voiceover dictionary in Apple Script.]
Hi! Just to add to the steps, Esther. It's very important to mention that, if you do have the box checked in the VoiceOver UtilityGeneral tab to allow VoiceOVer to be controlled by AppleScript it will behave slightly different. In this instance, it will use VoiceOver's speech settings to announce the information regardless of the script. If it is not checked, those steps apply. That means that, if the box is indeed checked, VoiceOver will speak the information whereas if it is unchecked, it will use Apple Speech Manager and your System Speech preferences apply. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:54 AM, Esther wrote: Hi Geoff, Jonathan, Nic, Sarah, and Others, OK, thanks to Nic's reminder that toggling on keyboard help (VO+k) has VoiceOver announce the path to scripts enabled by Keyboard Commander, pressing the Right Option key+t gives the information that the time of day script may be found in: /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/ScreenReader.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Scripts as the entry TimeOfDay.applescript So those of you who want to navigate to that script, from Finder use Command+Shift+G (the Go to Folder shortcut), then copy and paste in the path given above to the folder in the /System/Library directory and press return. In that folder look for a file named TimeOfDay.applescript. Geoff, you can ignore the attached version of the script I sent you off list; this is the version Apple is using with Right Option key+T when you have Keyboard Commanders turned on under the Commanders menu of VoiceOver Utility. (This also explains why it didn't come up when I ran a find command from terminal -- I was searching for a file with .scpt extension, and these all have .applescript extensions.) This is Snow Leopard only. Also, those of you who want to speed up the time announcement, the rate is set for Text to Speech on your system, not the VoiceOver speaking rate. This is set under the Text to Speech tab of the Speech menu under System Preferences. To change the Text to Speech speaking rate: 1. Press either Control+F2 or VO+M to navigate to the Apple menu on the menu bar. 2. Arrow down and press s y and return to bring up System Preferences 3. Navigate (e.g., tab, or use item chooser menu) to Speech and press (VO+Space) 4. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the Text to Speech tab and press (VO+Space) 5. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) past the pop up button for the System Voice to the slider for Speaking Rate and interact, then use your VO+arrow keys to set the speaking rate. (Optional: if your language set up is not English, change the system voice from Alex to one that works for your language. For example, if you are a French speaker and have bought the Infovox French voices, VO+Space on the pop up button for the System Voice and change this to Alice or Julie.) 6. If you did not set up your clock to automatically announce time (on the hours, half hour, or quarter hour) when you first set up your Mac, you can do so from this pane. Continue to navigate (VO+Right arrow) past To have clock announce the time: to the Open Date Time Preferences button and press (VO+Space). 6a. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) on the Date Time preference pane to the Clock tab and press (VO+Space) to select. 6b. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the check box for Announce the time: and VO+Space to check it 6c. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the pop up button and use your arrow keys to select On the hour, On the half hour, or On the quarter hour. 6d. Optionally navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the Customize Voice… button and press (VO+Space). This takes you back to the speech menu to let you select another voice for text to speech announcements. Presumably, you already did this. 7. Close the system preferences window with Command+W Once again, this assumes that you have have checked Keyboard Commander under VoiceOver Utility so that you can press Right Option key+T to announce the time under Snow Leopard. The instructions for setting the speaking rate work for all text to speech functions, except for the text to speech in Adobe Reader, which ignores your System Preference settings for text to speech and requires you to set up all your options in the rather complex menu structure of Adobe Reader's own preferences menu. (You have to find both the locations to set in the preferences menu you bring up with Command+comma, and the option shortcuts to turn on text to speech in the View menu of the application.) HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 06, 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote: cool. thanks, but man that's long? lol! too bad a second press did n't reveal it int he finder. S On Oct 6, 2010, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! For those who are curious if you did not try
Re: Location of script to say time [was Re: Voiceover dictionary in Apple Script.]
Actually in my case I have use apple script on so it uses my voice vor voice over not my system voice. Good luck. On Oct 6, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Geoff, Jonathan, Nic, Sarah, and Others, OK, thanks to Nic's reminder that toggling on keyboard help (VO+k) has VoiceOver announce the path to scripts enabled by Keyboard Commander, pressing the Right Option key+t gives the information that the time of day script may be found in: /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/ScreenReader.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Scripts as the entry TimeOfDay.applescript So those of you who want to navigate to that script, from Finder use Command+Shift+G (the Go to Folder shortcut), then copy and paste in the path given above to the folder in the /System/Library directory and press return. In that folder look for a file named TimeOfDay.applescript. Geoff, you can ignore the attached version of the script I sent you off list; this is the version Apple is using with Right Option key+T when you have Keyboard Commanders turned on under the Commanders menu of VoiceOver Utility. (This also explains why it didn't come up when I ran a find command from terminal -- I was searching for a file with .scpt extension, and these all have .applescript extensions.) This is Snow Leopard only. Also, those of you who want to speed up the time announcement, the rate is set for Text to Speech on your system, not the VoiceOver speaking rate. This is set under the Text to Speech tab of the Speech menu under System Preferences. To change the Text to Speech speaking rate: 1. Press either Control+F2 or VO+M to navigate to the Apple menu on the menu bar. 2. Arrow down and press s y and return to bring up System Preferences 3. Navigate (e.g., tab, or use item chooser menu) to Speech and press (VO+Space) 4. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the Text to Speech tab and press (VO+Space) 5. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) past the pop up button for the System Voice to the slider for Speaking Rate and interact, then use your VO+arrow keys to set the speaking rate. (Optional: if your language set up is not English, change the system voice from Alex to one that works for your language. For example, if you are a French speaker and have bought the Infovox French voices, VO+Space on the pop up button for the System Voice and change this to Alice or Julie.) 6. If you did not set up your clock to automatically announce time (on the hours, half hour, or quarter hour) when you first set up your Mac, you can do so from this pane. Continue to navigate (VO+Right arrow) past To have clock announce the time: to the Open Date Time Preferences button and press (VO+Space). 6a. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) on the Date Time preference pane to the Clock tab and press (VO+Space) to select. 6b. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the check box for Announce the time: and VO+Space to check it 6c. Navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the pop up button and use your arrow keys to select On the hour, On the half hour, or On the quarter hour. 6d. Optionally navigate (VO+Right arrow) to the Customize Voice… button and press (VO+Space). This takes you back to the speech menu to let you select another voice for text to speech announcements. Presumably, you already did this. 7. Close the system preferences window with Command+W Once again, this assumes that you have have checked Keyboard Commander under VoiceOver Utility so that you can press Right Option key+T to announce the time under Snow Leopard. The instructions for setting the speaking rate work for all text to speech functions, except for the text to speech in Adobe Reader, which ignores your System Preference settings for text to speech and requires you to set up all your options in the rather complex menu structure of Adobe Reader's own preferences menu. (You have to find both the locations to set in the preferences menu you bring up with Command+comma, and the option shortcuts to turn on text to speech in the View menu of the application.) HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 06, 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote: cool. thanks, but man that's long? lol! too bad a second press did n't reveal it int he finder. S On Oct 6, 2010, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! For those who are curious if you did not try this yet, toggling on keyboard help and hitting the command for the script tells you the path. Regards, Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email
