Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-13 Thread 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
hello list and everyone who's help.

 well, here's the outcome of my situation.

I did contact Apple today. We went through several procedures and I wasn't able 
to update to Catalina. however, Mojave is still on the system now.

Apple suspects there is something wrong internally in my computer because they 
stated that it should upgrade to Catalina with no problems.

Even when Apple was helping me, they got the same error that I got in that the 
system was not properly configured.

The suggestion is that I should take it to an Apple store and have it looked at 
to see what's wrong with it.

However I decided not to do that, because I don't wanna spend any additional 
money on this computer. For the more because we don't drive we have to get 
somebody to take us to a store.

They however did not mention about sending us a box to send it in so at this 
point I'm gonna leave it at that.

Thanks everybody for helping.



Danny

> On Jan 13, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Maybe try going to HS or Mojave firt.
> 
> 
>> On 1/13/2020 12:45 PM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>  hello,
>> 
>> As I mentioned this is a mid 2014 year model we purchased it on January 31 
>> of 2015
>> 
>>  
>> Danny
>> 
>>>> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:56 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What age is your machine?
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-
>>> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Sent: Monday, 13 January 2020 3:58 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's 
>>> mid2014 to Catalina
>>> 
>>> hello list,
>>> 
>>> So what I have is Yosemite 10.10.5.
>>> 
>>> I log into the App Store downloaded Catalina, but I am unable to install it.
>>> 
>>> Reason it says my system is not configured properly. And by the way I 
>>> couldn't read this with voiceover somebody sided had to tell me this.
>>> 
>>> So it tells me my system is configured properly but it doesn't tell me how 
>>> to configure it or where to go to get the information to configure it.
>>> 
>>> So it looks like I'm probably stuck with Yosemite on this machine.
>>> 
>>> Any more suggestions.
>>> 
>>> And by the way guys I appreciate everyone's help.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Danny
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 4:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yosemite
>> 
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Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-13 Thread Steve Matzura 

Maybe try going to HS or Mojave firt.


On 1/13/2020 12:45 PM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries wrote:

  hello,

As I mentioned this is a mid 2014 year model we purchased it on January 31 of 
2015

  


Danny


On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:56 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

What age is your machine?

-Original Message-
From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2020 3:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's 
mid2014 to Catalina

hello list,

So what I have is Yosemite 10.10.5.

I log into the App Store downloaded Catalina, but I am unable to install it.

Reason it says my system is not configured properly. And by the way I couldn't 
read this with voiceover somebody sided had to tell me this.

So it tells me my system is configured properly but it doesn't tell me how to 
configure it or where to go to get the information to configure it.

So it looks like I'm probably stuck with Yosemite on this machine.

Any more suggestions.

And by the way guys I appreciate everyone's help.



Danny


On Jan 12, 2020, at 4:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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Yosemite




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Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-13 Thread 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
 hello,

As I mentioned this is a mid 2014 year model we purchased it on January 31 of 
2015

 

Danny

> On Jan 13, 2020, at 12:56 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> What age is your machine?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, 13 January 2020 3:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's 
> mid2014 to Catalina
> 
> hello list,
> 
> So what I have is Yosemite 10.10.5.
> 
> I log into the App Store downloaded Catalina, but I am unable to install it.
> 
> Reason it says my system is not configured properly. And by the way I 
> couldn't read this with voiceover somebody sided had to tell me this.
> 
> So it tells me my system is configured properly but it doesn't tell me how to 
> configure it or where to go to get the information to configure it.
> 
> So it looks like I'm probably stuck with Yosemite on this machine.
> 
> Any more suggestions.
> 
> And by the way guys I appreciate everyone's help.
> 
> 
> 
> Danny
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 4:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yosemite
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RE: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-13 Thread Simon A Fogarty 
My thoughts also tim,

I did wonder what if he does a cmd r and just installs everything again,

If still then he has Yosemite  then apple must be able to provide an installer 
for one of the later os versions,



From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2020 4:32 PM
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Subject: Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's 
mid2014 to Catalina

Hi Dan,

I don't believe that you're stuck with Yosemite.  To confirm, could you go to 
the Apple menu, to About This Mac and let me know exactly what it says about 
your Mac.  That is, amount of memory, MacOS version, Mac model if available on 
that screen.  If it's not on that screen, you may need to get it under the 
System Information button.  I realize that you've already mentioned some of 
this info, but I need to confirm.

Second thing.  Do you have an external USB HD or anything like that so we can 
see about installing things on it as a temporary step?  Thanks.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 12, 2020, at 19:57, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

hello list,

So what I have is Yosemite 10.10.5.

I log into the App Store downloaded Catalina, but I am unable to install it.

Reason it says my system is not configured properly. And by the way I couldn't 
read this with voiceover somebody sided had to tell me this.

So it tells me my system is configured properly but it doesn't tell me how to 
configure it or where to go to get the information to configure it.

So it looks like I'm probably stuck with Yosemite on this machine.

Any more suggestions.

And by the way guys I appreciate everyone's help.



Danny


On Jan 12, 2020, at 4:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Yosemite

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RE: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-13 Thread Simon A Fogarty 
What age is your machine?

-Original Message-
From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2020 3:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's 
mid2014 to Catalina

hello list,

So what I have is Yosemite 10.10.5.

I log into the App Store downloaded Catalina, but I am unable to install it.

Reason it says my system is not configured properly. And by the way I couldn't 
read this with voiceover somebody sided had to tell me this.

So it tells me my system is configured properly but it doesn't tell me how to 
configure it or where to go to get the information to configure it.

So it looks like I'm probably stuck with Yosemite on this machine.

Any more suggestions.

And by the way guys I appreciate everyone's help.



Danny

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 4:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yosemite

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RE: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-13 Thread Simon A Fogarty 
If you have the mac os installed even if it's os 10.10 
Go to the app store and search for the available os which may be Catalina and 
then download it  and install.

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Subject: Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's 
mid2014 to Catalina

Hello Mark and list,

Thanks.
Now, I need to reformat the SSD, because I really messed it up.
How do I get a complete download on-line.

If I restart the MBP with one of the other options such as Command Option r, 
will this allow me to get a new OS? I asked, because I read some stuff on Apple 
and when I followed the instructions, I wound up with Os 10.10.
I suppose I need to talk with Apple. The closest store is 100 miles away and 
neither of us drive.
I'd also be willing to discuss this with some one over the phone if any one is 
interested in directing me.
I've never messed up a SSD like I did this time.
The other thing is this. I really don't want to put a lot of money into this, 
because the battery is starting to go. But it would really be nice if I could 
keep it running a while longer.
Later.



Danny

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 11:42 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Dan,
> 
> Tim and others will most likely have a more comprehensive answer but as I 
> have a mid-2014 MBP running Catalina, I can tell you that Catalina runs on 
> mid-2014 units, perfectly.
> 
> I don't know how you updated your Mac but, somewhere during the Mojave 
> life-cycle, Apple changed the formatting of the internal SSD drives.  This 
> change in file format was / is crucial to the successful installation of 
> Catalina.  
> 
> Give Apple a call and do some Google searches to make certain that your 
> current drive format is compatible with Catalina.  
> 
> Let us know how it goes.
> 
> Oh, by the way, this change in format did not apply to spinning drives.   So, 
> I'm assuming you are attempting to install Catalina on the Mac's SSD internal 
> drive.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:10 PM
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> Subject: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's 
> mid2014 to Catalina
> 
> hello list,
> 
> As the subject says, I'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro mid 2014 to 
> Catalina.
> 
> first off, I downloaded the Catalina update and when I tried to run it it 
> wouldn't let me run it and said my machine wasn't configured properly.
> 
> secondly, I did attempted to do a clean install. With the eight PFS volume 
> said I still was unable to upgrade the only thing it would do was install 
> Mojave it would not let me install Catalina.
> 
> does anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks a bunch.
> 
> 
> 
> Danny
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Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-12 Thread Brad Snyder 
That is interesting.
I have a 2012 MacBook Pro 15, that I got when my father past away.  It is 
running El Capitan.  Since I don’t use this machine for anything important, I 
will give these various options a try, and see what I can learn.

- Brad -


On Jan 12, 2020, at 21:26, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Brad,

Not in my experience.  I've used cmd-option-r quite a number of times over the 
last year or two for various reasons, and it has always taken me back to a much 
older system version.  For example, I was working on a Mid 2011 iMac (Silver 
Back) and was having problems with the drive.  I used cmd-option-r so I would 
have full access to the HD without hi-jacking the Recovery Partition.  The 
cmd-option-r key combination brought me to the Lion installer.  I backed off on 
that one and went back to my office to grab a High Sierra USB installer 
instead.  I recall similar situations on newer iMacs as well.  I've got a 2014 
Mini at work that I can test those combinations on tomorrow.  I'll try to 
verify things.  I've never used cmd-option-shift-r so I'm interested to see 
what happens.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 12, 2020, at 19:45, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Tim,

According to the Mac World article, referenced in the link below, the recovery 
keyboard command, COMMAND + OPTION + R, allows for the installation of the 
latest version of macOS.  The Recovery keyboard command, COMMAND + OPTION + 
SHIFT +R, allows for the installation of the version of macOS that came 
installed on a Mac, if available.  If that version is not available, then the 
next oldest available version is installed.
Is this not correct?? 

- Brad -


On Jan 12, 2020, at 18:36, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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wrote:

Hi,

If you use cmd-option-r, you will revert to the MacOS version that originally 
came with your Mac.  It sounds like, in your case, this was 10.10 Yosemite.  If 
you've already used this process, and installed Yosemite onto your Mac, then 
you will not be able to use regular Recovery Mode (cmd-r) to get Catalina 
without some extra steps.  If this is the case, then go through the motions of 
creating a user and such for Yosemite, then go directly to the App Store and 
see if you can download and install Catalina.  I can't remember for sure if it 
will install over Yosemite, or if it requires Sierra.

By the way, APFS works on spinning drives now.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 12, 2020, at 16:45, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Hi Dan,

Try using Recovery mode via COMMAND + OPTION + R..  This option should allow 
you to erase your SSD, and install the latest available version of macOS.

See the link below for an article providing a fuller explanation of Recovery 
mode options.

https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/mac-software/mac-recovery-mode-3674052/ 


HTH

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Hello Mark and list,

Thanks.
Now, I need to reformat the SSD, because I really messed it up.
How do I get a complete download on-line.

If I restart the MBP with one of the other options such as Command Option r, 
will this allow me to get a new OS? I asked, because I read some stuff on Apple 
and when I followed the instructions, I wound up with Os 10.10.
I suppose I need to talk with Apple. The closest store is 100 miles away and 
neither of us drive.
I'd also be willing to discuss this with some one over the phone if any one is 
interested in directing me.
I've never messed up a SSD like I did this time.
The other thing is this. I really don't want to put a lot of money into this, 
because the battery is starting to go. But it would really be nice if I could 
keep it running a while longer.
Later.



Danny

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 11:42 AM, M. Taylor  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Dan,
> 
> Tim and others will most likely have a more comprehensive answer but as I 
> have a mid-2014 MBP running Catalina, I can tell you that Catalina runs on 
> mid-2014 units, perfectly.
> 
> I don't know how you updated your Mac but, somewhere during the Mojave 
> life-cycle, Apple changed the formatting of the internal SSD drives.  This 
> change in file format was / is crucial to the successful installation of 
> Catalina.  
> 
> Give Apple a call and do some Google searches to make certain that your 
> current drive format is compatible with Catalina.  
> 
> Let us know how it goes.
> 
> Oh, by the way, this change in format did not apply to spinning drives.   So, 
> I'm assuming you are attempting to install Catalina on the Mac's SSD internal 
> drive.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-

Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-12 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Hi Dan,

I don't believe that you're stuck with Yosemite.  To confirm, could you go to 
the Apple menu, to About This Mac and let me know exactly what it says about 
your Mac.  That is, amount of memory, MacOS version, Mac model if available on 
that screen.  If it's not on that screen, you may need to get it under the 
System Information button.  I realize that you've already mentioned some of 
this info, but I need to confirm.

Second thing.  Do you have an external USB HD or anything like that so we can 
see about installing things on it as a temporary step?  Thanks.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 12, 2020, at 19:57, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

hello list,

So what I have is Yosemite 10.10.5.

I log into the App Store downloaded Catalina, but I am unable to install it.

Reason it says my system is not configured properly. And by the way I couldn't 
read this with voiceover somebody sided had to tell me this.

So it tells me my system is configured properly but it doesn't tell me how to 
configure it or where to go to get the information to configure it.

So it looks like I'm probably stuck with Yosemite on this machine.

Any more suggestions.

And by the way guys I appreciate everyone's help.



Danny

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 4:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yosemite

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Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-12 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Hi Brad,

Not in my experience.  I've used cmd-option-r quite a number of times over the 
last year or two for various reasons, and it has always taken me back to a much 
older system version.  For example, I was working on a Mid 2011 iMac (Silver 
Back) and was having problems with the drive.  I used cmd-option-r so I would 
have full access to the HD without hi-jacking the Recovery Partition.  The 
cmd-option-r key combination brought me to the Lion installer.  I backed off on 
that one and went back to my office to grab a High Sierra USB installer 
instead.  I recall similar situations on newer iMacs as well.  I've got a 2014 
Mini at work that I can test those combinations on tomorrow.  I'll try to 
verify things.  I've never used cmd-option-shift-r so I'm interested to see 
what happens.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 12, 2020, at 19:45, Brad Snyder  wrote:

Tim,

According to the Mac World article, referenced in the link below, the recovery 
keyboard command, COMMAND + OPTION + R, allows for the installation of the 
latest version of macOS.  The Recovery keyboard command, COMMAND + OPTION + 
SHIFT +R, allows for the installation of the version of macOS that came 
installed on a Mac, if available.  If that version is not available, then the 
next oldest available version is installed.
Is this not correct?? 

- Brad -


On Jan 12, 2020, at 18:36, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi,

If you use cmd-option-r, you will revert to the MacOS version that originally 
came with your Mac.  It sounds like, in your case, this was 10.10 Yosemite.  If 
you've already used this process, and installed Yosemite onto your Mac, then 
you will not be able to use regular Recovery Mode (cmd-r) to get Catalina 
without some extra steps.  If this is the case, then go through the motions of 
creating a user and such for Yosemite, then go directly to the App Store and 
see if you can download and install Catalina.  I can't remember for sure if it 
will install over Yosemite, or if it requires Sierra.

By the way, APFS works on spinning drives now.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 12, 2020, at 16:45, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Hi Dan,

Try using Recovery mode via COMMAND + OPTION + R..  This option should allow 
you to erase your SSD, and install the latest available version of macOS.

See the link below for an article providing a fuller explanation of Recovery 
mode options.

https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/mac-software/mac-recovery-mode-3674052/ 


HTH

- Brad -


On Jan 12, 2020, at 16:39, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hello Mark and list,

Thanks.
Now, I need to reformat the SSD, because I really messed it up.
How do I get a complete download on-line.

If I restart the MBP with one of the other options such as Command Option r, 
will this allow me to get a new OS? I asked, because I read some stuff on Apple 
and when I followed the instructions, I wound up with Os 10.10.
I suppose I need to talk with Apple. The closest store is 100 miles away and 
neither of us drive.
I'd also be willing to discuss this with some one over the phone if any one is 
interested in directing me.
I've never messed up a SSD like I did this time.
The other thing is this. I really don't want to put a lot of money into this, 
because the battery is starting to go. But it would really be nice if I could 
keep it running a while longer.
Later.



Danny

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 11:42 AM, M. Taylor  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Dan,
> 
> Tim and others will most likely have a more comprehensive answer but as I 
> have a mid-2014 MBP running Catalina, I can tell you that Catalina runs on 
> mid-2014 units, perfectly.
> 
> I don't know how you updated your Mac but, somewhere during the Mojave 
> life-cycle, Apple changed the formatting of the internal SSD drives.  This 
> change in file format was / is crucial to the successful installation of 
> Catalina.  
> 
> Give Apple a call and do some Google searches to make certain that your 
> current drive format is compatible with Catalina.  
> 
> Let us know how it goes.
> 
> Oh, by the way, this change in format did not apply to spinning drives.   So, 
> I'm assuming you are attempting to install Catalina on the Mac's SSD internal 
> drive.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] 
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:10 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries
> Subject: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's 
> mid2014 to Catalina
> 
> hello list,
> 
> As the subject says, I'm having problem

Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-12 Thread 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
hello list,

So what I have is Yosemite 10.10.5.

I log into the App Store downloaded Catalina, but I am unable to install it.

Reason it says my system is not configured properly. And by the way I couldn't 
read this with voiceover somebody sided had to tell me this.

So it tells me my system is configured properly but it doesn't tell me how to 
configure it or where to go to get the information to configure it.

So it looks like I'm probably stuck with Yosemite on this machine.

Any more suggestions.

And by the way guys I appreciate everyone's help.



Danny

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 4:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yosemite

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Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-12 Thread Brad Snyder 
Tim,

According to the Mac World article, referenced in the link below, the recovery 
keyboard command, COMMAND + OPTION + R, allows for the installation of the 
latest version of macOS.  The Recovery keyboard command, COMMAND + OPTION + 
SHIFT +R, allows for the installation of the version of macOS that came 
installed on a Mac, if available.  If that version is not available, then the 
next oldest available version is installed.
Is this not correct?? 

- Brad -


On Jan 12, 2020, at 18:36, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

If you use cmd-option-r, you will revert to the MacOS version that originally 
came with your Mac.  It sounds like, in your case, this was 10.10 Yosemite.  If 
you've already used this process, and installed Yosemite onto your Mac, then 
you will not be able to use regular Recovery Mode (cmd-r) to get Catalina 
without some extra steps.  If this is the case, then go through the motions of 
creating a user and such for Yosemite, then go directly to the App Store and 
see if you can download and install Catalina.  I can't remember for sure if it 
will install over Yosemite, or if it requires Sierra.

By the way, APFS works on spinning drives now.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 12, 2020, at 16:45, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Hi Dan,

Try using Recovery mode via COMMAND + OPTION + R..  This option should allow 
you to erase your SSD, and install the latest available version of macOS.

See the link below for an article providing a fuller explanation of Recovery 
mode options.

https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/mac-software/mac-recovery-mode-3674052/ 


HTH

- Brad -


On Jan 12, 2020, at 16:39, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hello Mark and list,

Thanks.
Now, I need to reformat the SSD, because I really messed it up.
How do I get a complete download on-line.

If I restart the MBP with one of the other options such as Command Option r, 
will this allow me to get a new OS? I asked, because I read some stuff on Apple 
and when I followed the instructions, I wound up with Os 10.10.
I suppose I need to talk with Apple. The closest store is 100 miles away and 
neither of us drive.
I'd also be willing to discuss this with some one over the phone if any one is 
interested in directing me.
I've never messed up a SSD like I did this time.
The other thing is this. I really don't want to put a lot of money into this, 
because the battery is starting to go. But it would really be nice if I could 
keep it running a while longer.
Later.



Danny

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 11:42 AM, M. Taylor  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Dan,
> 
> Tim and others will most likely have a more comprehensive answer but as I 
> have a mid-2014 MBP running Catalina, I can tell you that Catalina runs on 
> mid-2014 units, perfectly.
> 
> I don't know how you updated your Mac but, somewhere during the Mojave 
> life-cycle, Apple changed the formatting of the internal SSD drives.  This 
> change in file format was / is crucial to the successful installation of 
> Catalina.  
> 
> Give Apple a call and do some Google searches to make certain that your 
> current drive format is compatible with Catalina.  
> 
> Let us know how it goes.
> 
> Oh, by the way, this change in format did not apply to spinning drives.   So, 
> I'm assuming you are attempting to install Catalina on the Mac's SSD internal 
> drive.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] 
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:10 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries
> Subject: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's 
> mid2014 to Catalina
> 
> hello list,
> 
> As the subject says, I'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro mid 2014 to 
> Catalina.
> 
> first off, I downloaded the Catalina update and when I tried to run it it 
> wouldn't let me run it and said my machine wasn't configured properly.
> 
> secondly, I did attempted to do a clean install. With the eight PFS volume 
> said I still was unable to upgrade the only thing it would do was install 
> Mojave it would not let me install Catalina.
> 
> does anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks a bunch.
> 
> 
> 
> Danny
> 
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Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-12 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Hi,

If you use cmd-option-r, you will revert to the MacOS version that originally 
came with your Mac.  It sounds like, in your case, this was 10.10 Yosemite.  If 
you've already used this process, and installed Yosemite onto your Mac, then 
you will not be able to use regular Recovery Mode (cmd-r) to get Catalina 
without some extra steps.  If this is the case, then go through the motions of 
creating a user and such for Yosemite, then go directly to the App Store and 
see if you can download and install Catalina.  I can't remember for sure if it 
will install over Yosemite, or if it requires Sierra.

By the way, APFS works on spinning drives now.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 12, 2020, at 16:45, Brad Snyder  wrote:

Hi Dan,

Try using Recovery mode via COMMAND + OPTION + R..  This option should allow 
you to erase your SSD, and install the latest available version of macOS.

See the link below for an article providing a fuller explanation of Recovery 
mode options.

https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/mac-software/mac-recovery-mode-3674052/ 


HTH

- Brad -


On Jan 12, 2020, at 16:39, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hello Mark and list,

Thanks.
Now, I need to reformat the SSD, because I really messed it up.
How do I get a complete download on-line.

If I restart the MBP with one of the other options such as Command Option r, 
will this allow me to get a new OS? I asked, because I read some stuff on Apple 
and when I followed the instructions, I wound up with Os 10.10.
I suppose I need to talk with Apple. The closest store is 100 miles away and 
neither of us drive.
I'd also be willing to discuss this with some one over the phone if any one is 
interested in directing me.
I've never messed up a SSD like I did this time.
The other thing is this. I really don't want to put a lot of money into this, 
because the battery is starting to go. But it would really be nice if I could 
keep it running a while longer.
Later.



Danny

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 11:42 AM, M. Taylor  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Dan,
> 
> Tim and others will most likely have a more comprehensive answer but as I 
> have a mid-2014 MBP running Catalina, I can tell you that Catalina runs on 
> mid-2014 units, perfectly.
> 
> I don't know how you updated your Mac but, somewhere during the Mojave 
> life-cycle, Apple changed the formatting of the internal SSD drives.  This 
> change in file format was / is crucial to the successful installation of 
> Catalina.  
> 
> Give Apple a call and do some Google searches to make certain that your 
> current drive format is compatible with Catalina.  
> 
> Let us know how it goes.
> 
> Oh, by the way, this change in format did not apply to spinning drives.   So, 
> I'm assuming you are attempting to install Catalina on the Mac's SSD internal 
> drive.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] 
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:10 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries
> Subject: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's 
> mid2014 to Catalina
> 
> hello list,
> 
> As the subject says, I'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro mid 2014 to 
> Catalina.
> 
> first off, I downloaded the Catalina update and when I tried to run it it 
> wouldn't let me run it and said my machine wasn't configured properly.
> 
> secondly, I did attempted to do a clean install. With the eight PFS volume 
> said I still was unable to upgrade the only thing it would do was install 
> Mojave it would not let me install Catalina.
> 
> does anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks a bunch.
> 
> 
> 
> Danny
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Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-12 Thread Brad Snyder 
Hi Dan,

Try using Recovery mode via COMMAND + OPTION + R..  This option should allow 
you to erase your SSD, and install the latest available version of macOS.

See the link below for an article providing a fuller explanation of Recovery 
mode options.

https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/mac-software/mac-recovery-mode-3674052/ 


HTH

- Brad -


On Jan 12, 2020, at 16:39, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hello Mark and list,

Thanks.
Now, I need to reformat the SSD, because I really messed it up.
How do I get a complete download on-line.

If I restart the MBP with one of the other options such as Command Option r, 
will this allow me to get a new OS? I asked, because I read some stuff on Apple 
and when I followed the instructions, I wound up with Os 10.10.
I suppose I need to talk with Apple. The closest store is 100 miles away and 
neither of us drive.
I'd also be willing to discuss this with some one over the phone if any one is 
interested in directing me.
I've never messed up a SSD like I did this time.
The other thing is this. I really don't want to put a lot of money into this, 
because the battery is starting to go. But it would really be nice if I could 
keep it running a while longer.
Later.



Danny

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 11:42 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Dan,
> 
> Tim and others will most likely have a more comprehensive answer but as I 
> have a mid-2014 MBP running Catalina, I can tell you that Catalina runs on 
> mid-2014 units, perfectly.
> 
> I don't know how you updated your Mac but, somewhere during the Mojave 
> life-cycle, Apple changed the formatting of the internal SSD drives.  This 
> change in file format was / is crucial to the successful installation of 
> Catalina.  
> 
> Give Apple a call and do some Google searches to make certain that your 
> current drive format is compatible with Catalina.  
> 
> Let us know how it goes.
> 
> Oh, by the way, this change in format did not apply to spinning drives.   So, 
> I'm assuming you are attempting to install Catalina on the Mac's SSD internal 
> drive.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:10 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries
> Subject: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's 
> mid2014 to Catalina
> 
> hello list,
> 
> As the subject says, I'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro mid 2014 to 
> Catalina.
> 
> first off, I downloaded the Catalina update and when I tried to run it it 
> wouldn't let me run it and said my machine wasn't configured properly.
> 
> secondly, I did attempted to do a clean install. With the eight PFS volume 
> said I still was unable to upgrade the only thing it would do was install 
> Mojave it would not let me install Catalina.
> 
> does anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks a bunch.
> 
> 
> 
> Danny
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Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-12 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
   If you do not have the installer that was downloaded to the 
applications folder, you can download it from the Mac app store. Then 
software update will try to install it but you can quit at that point.


   Then create a USB installer with a 16gig stick. Two ways to do that. 
One is the terminal. Other one (simpler process) is an app called 
Install Disk Creator you can download from



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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/12/2020 2:39 PM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hello Mark and list,

Thanks.
Now, I need to reformat the SSD, because I really messed it up.
How do I get a complete download on-line.

If I restart the MBP with one of the other options such as Command Option r, 
will this allow me to get a new OS? I asked, because I read some stuff on Apple 
and when I followed the instructions, I wound up with Os 10.10.
I suppose I need to talk with Apple. The closest store is 100 miles away and 
neither of us drive.
I'd also be willing to discuss this with some one over the phone if any one is 
interested in directing me.
I've never messed up a SSD like I did this time.
The other thing is this. I really don't want to put a lot of money into this, 
because the battery is starting to go. But it would really be nice if I could 
keep it running a while longer.
Later.



Danny


On Jan 12, 2020, at 11:42 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Dan,

Tim and others will most likely have a more comprehensive answer but as I have 
a mid-2014 MBP running Catalina, I can tell you that Catalina runs on mid-2014 
units, perfectly.

I don't know how you updated your Mac but, somewhere during the Mojave 
life-cycle, Apple changed the formatting of the internal SSD drives.  This 
change in file format was / is crucial to the successful installation of 
Catalina.

Give Apple a call and do some Google searches to make certain that your current 
drive format is compatible with Catalina.

Let us know how it goes.

Oh, by the way, this change in format did not apply to spinning drives.   So, 
I'm assuming you are attempting to install Catalina on the Mac's SSD internal 
drive.

Mark

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From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:10 PM
To: Mac Visionaries
Subject: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 
to Catalina

hello list,

As the subject says, I'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro mid 2014 to 
Catalina.

first off, I downloaded the Catalina update and when I tried to run it it 
wouldn't let me run it and said my machine wasn't configured properly.

secondly, I did attempted to do a clean install. With the eight PFS volume said 
I still was unable to upgrade the only thing it would do was install Mojave it 
would not let me install Catalina.

does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks a bunch.



Danny

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Re: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-12 Thread 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
Hello Mark and list,

Thanks.
Now, I need to reformat the SSD, because I really messed it up.
How do I get a complete download on-line.

If I restart the MBP with one of the other options such as Command Option r, 
will this allow me to get a new OS? I asked, because I read some stuff on Apple 
and when I followed the instructions, I wound up with Os 10.10.
I suppose I need to talk with Apple. The closest store is 100 miles away and 
neither of us drive.
I'd also be willing to discuss this with some one over the phone if any one is 
interested in directing me.
I've never messed up a SSD like I did this time.
The other thing is this. I really don't want to put a lot of money into this, 
because the battery is starting to go. But it would really be nice if I could 
keep it running a while longer.
Later.



Danny

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 11:42 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Dan,
> 
> Tim and others will most likely have a more comprehensive answer but as I 
> have a mid-2014 MBP running Catalina, I can tell you that Catalina runs on 
> mid-2014 units, perfectly.
> 
> I don't know how you updated your Mac but, somewhere during the Mojave 
> life-cycle, Apple changed the formatting of the internal SSD drives.  This 
> change in file format was / is crucial to the successful installation of 
> Catalina.  
> 
> Give Apple a call and do some Google searches to make certain that your 
> current drive format is compatible with Catalina.  
> 
> Let us know how it goes.
> 
> Oh, by the way, this change in format did not apply to spinning drives.   So, 
> I'm assuming you are attempting to install Catalina on the Mac's SSD internal 
> drive.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:10 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries
> Subject: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's 
> mid2014 to Catalina
> 
> hello list,
> 
> As the subject says, I'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro mid 2014 to 
> Catalina.
> 
> first off, I downloaded the Catalina update and when I tried to run it it 
> wouldn't let me run it and said my machine wasn't configured properly.
> 
> secondly, I did attempted to do a clean install. With the eight PFS volume 
> said I still was unable to upgrade the only thing it would do was install 
> Mojave it would not let me install Catalina.
> 
> does anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks a bunch.
> 
> 
> 
> Danny
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RE: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 to Catalina

2020-01-12 Thread M. Taylor 
Hello Dan,

Tim and others will most likely have a more comprehensive answer but as I have 
a mid-2014 MBP running Catalina, I can tell you that Catalina runs on mid-2014 
units, perfectly.

I don't know how you updated your Mac but, somewhere during the Mojave 
life-cycle, Apple changed the formatting of the internal SSD drives.  This 
change in file format was / is crucial to the successful installation of 
Catalina.  

Give Apple a call and do some Google searches to make certain that your current 
drive format is compatible with Catalina.  

Let us know how it goes.

Oh, by the way, this change in format did not apply to spinning drives.   So, 
I'm assuming you are attempting to install Catalina on the Mac's SSD internal 
drive.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: 'Dan' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:10 PM
To: Mac Visionaries
Subject: i'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro retina 2014 that's mid2014 
to Catalina

hello list,

As the subject says, I'm having problems updating my MacBook Pro mid 2014 to 
Catalina.

first off, I downloaded the Catalina update and when I tried to run it it 
wouldn't let me run it and said my machine wasn't configured properly.

secondly, I did attempted to do a clean install. With the eight PFS volume said 
I still was unable to upgrade the only thing it would do was install Mojave it 
would not let me install Catalina.

does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks a bunch.



Danny

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