Re: Should I buy carbon copy cloner? Is it good enough to just use time machine? Thought anyone?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I would tend toward a network storage solution for a second backup strategy. 

You need to consider your risks an significance of your files to decide what to 
use

Types of hazards:
1. accidental deletion of important information 
2 Home/Office disaster (fire/flood)
3. hackers  / encrypting / or deleting your files. 

The second and third  issues are more likely avoided with either a off-line 
backup strategy or an off-site backup system.

Don’t forget that iCloud/One Drive / Google Docs / dropbox can do a fairly good 
job of maintaining files as long as you pay efor enough storage and there is no 
corruption in the synchronization process. These can act as a pseudo backup 
method, though sometimes files are not on your local system then (but just a 
link) and then time machine won’t back them up or will back them up incorrectly.
There are books written about best approaches.

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 4, 2024, at 1:56 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Note that the operating system volume is managed entirely by Apple on modern 
> machines, so you only need a backup strategy for the data volume.
> 
> On 3/6/24 13:42, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>I use both. CCC will do the same basic backup as Time Machine but is very 
>> flexible if you wish to make more focused backups of specific data.
>> 
>>Also creating restore tasks can make restoring easier.
>> 
>>If CCC offers a trial, give it a try.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>  -Helen Keller
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/3/2024 10:15 AM, Maurice A. Mines wrote:
>>> Hello everyone, I'm trying to decide if just using time machine as a 
>>> backup and restore option is better than purchasing carbon copy cloner? 
>>> Because my research seems to show that one does the same thing as the 
>>> other. Meaning I'm using time machine what would be the benefit to using 
>>> carbon copy cloner? Bottom line, is carbon copy cloner worth the $40? Or is 
>>> this expense a waste of time and money.
>>> 
>>> Will time machine Restore my machine should anything bad happen?
>>> 
>>> All the best Maurice mines.
>>> 
>> 
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Re: Should I buy carbon copy cloner? Is it good enough to just use time machine? Thought anyone?

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

Note that the operating system volume is managed entirely by Apple on 
modern machines, so you only need a backup strategy for the data volume.


On 3/6/24 13:42, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
   I use both. CCC will do the same basic backup as Time Machine but 
is very flexible if you wish to make more focused backups of specific 
data.


   Also creating restore tasks can make restoring easier.

   If CCC offers a trial, give it a try.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 6/3/2024 10:15 AM, Maurice A. Mines wrote:
Hello everyone, I'm trying to decide if just using time machine 
as a backup and restore option is better than purchasing carbon copy 
cloner? Because my research seems to show that one does the same 
thing as the other. Meaning I'm using time machine what would be the 
benefit to using carbon copy cloner? Bottom line, is carbon copy 
cloner worth the $40? Or is this expense a waste of time and money.


Will time machine Restore my machine should anything bad happen?

All the best Maurice mines.





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RE: Should I buy carbon copy cloner? Is it good enough to just use time machine? Thought anyone?

[ilovecountrymusic483]

One thing that carbin copy cloner does is clone your hard drive and make it 
bootable which means if for some reason your main drive crashes, you can just 
replace the bad drive, then clone the latest backup to the new drive and you 
should be good to go.  Time machine does not have this feature.

Matthew



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-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2024 1:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; Maurice A. Mines 
Subject: Re: Should I buy carbon copy cloner? Is it good enough to just use 
time machine? Thought anyone?

I use both. CCC will do the same basic backup as Time Machine but is very 
flexible if you wish to make more focused backups of specific data.

Also creating restore tasks can make restoring easier.

If CCC offers a trial, give it a try.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
  -Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/3/2024 10:15 AM, Maurice A. Mines wrote:
>   Hello everyone, I'm trying to decide if just using time machine as a 
> backup and restore option is better than purchasing carbon copy cloner? 
> Because my research seems to show that one does the same thing as the other. 
> Meaning I'm using time machine what would be the benefit to using carbon copy 
> cloner? Bottom line, is carbon copy cloner worth the $40? Or is this expense 
> a waste of time and money.
> 
> Will time machine Restore my machine should anything bad happen?
> 
> All the best Maurice mines.
> 

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Re: Should I buy carbon copy cloner? Is it good enough to just use time machine? Thought anyone?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I use both. CCC will do the same basic backup as Time Machine but is 
very flexible if you wish to make more focused backups of specific data.


   Also creating restore tasks can make restoring easier.

   If CCC offers a trial, give it a try.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 6/3/2024 10:15 AM, Maurice A. Mines wrote:

Hello everyone, I'm trying to decide if just using time machine as a 
backup and restore option is better than purchasing carbon copy cloner? Because 
my research seems to show that one does the same thing as the other. Meaning 
I'm using time machine what would be the benefit to using carbon copy cloner? 
Bottom line, is carbon copy cloner worth the $40? Or is this expense a waste of 
time and money.

Will time machine Restore my machine should anything bad happen?

All the best Maurice mines.



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Should I buy carbon copy cloner? Is it good enough to just use time machine? Thought anyone?

[Maurice A. Mines]

Hello everyone, I'm trying to decide if just using time machine as a 
backup and restore option is better than purchasing carbon copy cloner? Because 
my research seems to show that one does the same thing as the other. Meaning 
I'm using time machine what would be the benefit to using carbon copy cloner? 
Bottom line, is carbon copy cloner worth the $40? Or is this expense a waste of 
time and money.

Will time machine Restore my machine should anything bad happen?

All the best Maurice mines.

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Re: Browsing Time Machine

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   It does not look like one can delete files or folders from inside a 
Time Machine backup. So I will leave things as they are.


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On 5/12/2024 9:19 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

E.T.

Here’s a text file I copied a few years back. Process seems a bit squirrely but 
I think I’ve managed to use it a couple times.

Restore a File Using Time Machine

Position on desired folder
Extras menu, Time Machine
Enter Time Machine; wait until finished
Control-Option F1
Finder in Time Machine
Control-Option F2 Twice (or for me, Opt-W) for window chooser
Arrow down to Time Machine Controls
Press Enter
Gives a most recent date
Control-Option LeftArrow
Brings up Timeline
Control-Option DownArrow
Find a backup date of interest
Ctrl-Option J to Jump to list
Arrow to find desired file
Ctrl-Opt F2 twice (Opt-w) to window list to find Time Machine Controls
Ctrl-Opt UpArrow to dismiss backup list
Ctrl-Option Right arrow to Restore button


Dave Carlson
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On May 11, 2024, at 2:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hello,
   When selecting this option from the status bar, how does one navigate the 
backup? I was trying to find a particular folder in the Finder. Thanks.

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Re: Browsing Time Machine

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Quick note here. My backup drive is not encrypted. I need to play 
with it some more but one thing I cannot do is delete files from the backup.


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On 5/12/2024 10:41 AM, Ian Robinson wrote:

When I’ve checked my own Time Machine backups, the easiest way seems to be to 
open the drive and navigate the folders in Finder in the usual way.

My Time Machine drive is set to show up on the Desktop.
After pressing Command+o on the drive, there was a list of folders named with 
the date of the various backups, with the newest at the bottom of the list.
Within each of the folders there was a Data folder.
The contents of the Data folder is the same as the SSD of the MacBook. I could 
navigate to my user folder and open Documents, Downloads, etc. I didn’t 
actually try copying anything from the backup at the time.

Ian





On 12 May 2024, at 17:19, Dave Carlson  wrote:

E.T.

Here’s a text file I copied a few years back. Process seems a bit squirrely but 
I think I’ve managed to use it a couple times.

Restore a File Using Time Machine

Position on desired folder
Extras menu, Time Machine
Enter Time Machine; wait until finished
Control-Option F1
Finder in Time Machine
Control-Option F2 Twice (or for me, Opt-W) for window chooser
Arrow down to Time Machine Controls
Press Enter
Gives a most recent date
Control-Option LeftArrow
Brings up Timeline
Control-Option DownArrow
Find a backup date of interest
Ctrl-Option J to Jump to list
Arrow to find desired file
Ctrl-Opt F2 twice (Opt-w) to window list to find Time Machine Controls
Ctrl-Opt UpArrow to dismiss backup list
Ctrl-Option Right arrow to Restore button


Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com



On May 11, 2024, at 2:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hello,
   When selecting this option from the status bar, how does one navigate the 
backup? I was trying to find a particular folder in the Finder. Thanks.

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"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
-Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

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Re: Browsing Time Machine

[Ian Robinson]

Hi Dave,

My Time Machine backup is encrypted. Hence, when I attach the drive to the 
computer, a system dialogue pops up asking for the password. Once entered, 
there is a few seconds delay then the Seagate drive shows up on the Desktop. 
After that, I can browse the drive like any other drive; no other steps are 
needed.

Ian


> On 12 May 2024, at 18:44, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Ian,
> 
> That may work, but I think first you need to select the backup file and open 
> the image mounter to get it added to the desktop.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Woodworker, Musician
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 12, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Ian Robinson  wrote:
> 
> When I’ve checked my own Time Machine backups, the easiest way seems to be to 
> open the drive and navigate the folders in Finder in the usual way.
> 
> My Time Machine drive is set to show up on the Desktop. 
> After pressing Command+o on the drive, there was a list of folders named with 
> the date of the various backups, with the newest at the bottom of the list.
> Within each of the folders there was a Data folder.
> The contents of the Data folder is the same as the SSD of the MacBook. I 
> could navigate to my user folder and open Documents, Downloads, etc. I didn’t 
> actually try copying anything from the backup at the time.
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12 May 2024, at 17:19, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> E.T.
>> 
>> Here’s a text file I copied a few years back. Process seems a bit squirrely 
>> but I think I’ve managed to use it a couple times.
>> 
>> Restore a File Using Time Machine
>> 
>> Position on desired folder
>> Extras menu, Time Machine
>> Enter Time Machine; wait until finished
>> Control-Option F1
>> Finder in Time Machine
>> Control-Option F2 Twice (or for me, Opt-W) for window chooser
>> Arrow down to Time Machine Controls
>> Press Enter
>> Gives a most recent date
>> Control-Option LeftArrow
>> Brings up Timeline
>> Control-Option DownArrow
>> Find a backup date of interest
>> Ctrl-Option J to Jump to list
>> Arrow to find desired file
>> Ctrl-Opt F2 twice (Opt-w) to window list to find Time Machine Controls
>> Ctrl-Opt UpArrow to dismiss backup list
>> Ctrl-Option Right arrow to Restore button
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 11, 2024, at 2:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>>  When selecting this option from the status bar, how does one navigate the 
>> backup? I was trying to find a particular folder in the Finder. Thanks.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>> -Helen Keller
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Browsing Time Machine

[Dave Carlson]

Ian,

That may work, but I think first you need to select the backup file and open 
the image mounter to get it added to the desktop.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Woodworker, Musician
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com




On May 12, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Ian Robinson  wrote:

When I’ve checked my own Time Machine backups, the easiest way seems to be to 
open the drive and navigate the folders in Finder in the usual way.

My Time Machine drive is set to show up on the Desktop. 
After pressing Command+o on the drive, there was a list of folders named with 
the date of the various backups, with the newest at the bottom of the list.
Within each of the folders there was a Data folder.
The contents of the Data folder is the same as the SSD of the MacBook. I could 
navigate to my user folder and open Documents, Downloads, etc. I didn’t 
actually try copying anything from the backup at the time.

Ian




> On 12 May 2024, at 17:19, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> E.T.
> 
> Here’s a text file I copied a few years back. Process seems a bit squirrely 
> but I think I’ve managed to use it a couple times.
> 
> Restore a File Using Time Machine
> 
> Position on desired folder
> Extras menu, Time Machine
> Enter Time Machine; wait until finished
> Control-Option F1
> Finder in Time Machine
> Control-Option F2 Twice (or for me, Opt-W) for window chooser
> Arrow down to Time Machine Controls
> Press Enter
> Gives a most recent date
> Control-Option LeftArrow
> Brings up Timeline
> Control-Option DownArrow
> Find a backup date of interest
> Ctrl-Option J to Jump to list
> Arrow to find desired file
> Ctrl-Opt F2 twice (Opt-w) to window list to find Time Machine Controls
> Ctrl-Opt UpArrow to dismiss backup list
> Ctrl-Option Right arrow to Restore button
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: Browsing Time Machine

[Ian Robinson]

When I’ve checked my own Time Machine backups, the easiest way seems to be to 
open the drive and navigate the folders in Finder in the usual way.

My Time Machine drive is set to show up on the Desktop. 
After pressing Command+o on the drive, there was a list of folders named with 
the date of the various backups, with the newest at the bottom of the list.
Within each of the folders there was a Data folder.
The contents of the Data folder is the same as the SSD of the MacBook. I could 
navigate to my user folder and open Documents, Downloads, etc. I didn’t 
actually try copying anything from the backup at the time.

Ian




> On 12 May 2024, at 17:19, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> E.T.
> 
> Here’s a text file I copied a few years back. Process seems a bit squirrely 
> but I think I’ve managed to use it a couple times.
> 
> Restore a File Using Time Machine
> 
> Position on desired folder
> Extras menu, Time Machine
> Enter Time Machine; wait until finished
> Control-Option F1
> Finder in Time Machine
> Control-Option F2 Twice (or for me, Opt-W) for window chooser
> Arrow down to Time Machine Controls
> Press Enter
> Gives a most recent date
> Control-Option LeftArrow
> Brings up Timeline
> Control-Option DownArrow
> Find a backup date of interest
> Ctrl-Option J to Jump to list
> Arrow to find desired file
> Ctrl-Opt F2 twice (Opt-w) to window list to find Time Machine Controls
> Ctrl-Opt UpArrow to dismiss backup list
> Ctrl-Option Right arrow to Restore button
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Browsing Time Machine

[Dave Carlson]

E.T.

Here’s a text file I copied a few years back. Process seems a bit squirrely but 
I think I’ve managed to use it a couple times.

Restore a File Using Time Machine

Position on desired folder
Extras menu, Time Machine
Enter Time Machine; wait until finished
Control-Option F1
Finder in Time Machine
Control-Option F2 Twice (or for me, Opt-W) for window chooser
Arrow down to Time Machine Controls
Press Enter
Gives a most recent date
Control-Option LeftArrow
Brings up Timeline
Control-Option DownArrow
Find a backup date of interest
Ctrl-Option J to Jump to list
Arrow to find desired file
Ctrl-Opt F2 twice (Opt-w) to window list to find Time Machine Controls
Ctrl-Opt UpArrow to dismiss backup list
Ctrl-Option Right arrow to Restore button


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Re: Browsing Time Machine

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have never been completely sure of the official way of doing this.
I do remember some discussion though.
1. Find the timeline areea by stop interacting and then going to the next
item .
2. The backup selection is a slider that can be navigated several ways.
ONce you find the date, then go back to your main finder area and find the
folder.

How you actually recover a selected folder or item, I am not 100  sure, but
I would expect a either the file menu or the contextual menu should have  a
selector for this.

BTW did you know there is now a universal Apple URL for all documentation
that includes historic items?
%

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Browsing Time Machine

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Hello,
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navigate the backup? I was trying to find a particular folder in the 
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Time Machine Restore

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Hi all,
   I may need to do a fresh install of Sonoma. Thinking to use the Time 
Machine backup to restore from. If anyone has done this successfully, 
can you share any pointers to help me in this project? Thanks.


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Re: Photos in Time Machine

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
>From what I remember you have to view it as you view a list of files.
But I seldom do this so I can’t say for sure.
Bless.
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> searching it. How do I find certain photos or photo folders?
> 
> Oh, how I wish I could search it like a regular folder system.
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Photos in Time Machine

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all, I’ve pulled out an old portable drive that has Time Machine back ups 
from my old Mac. I have never gotten used to using Time Machine, let alone 
searching it. How do I find certain photos or photo folders?

Oh, how I wish I could search it like a regular folder system.

Any guidance is appreciated.

Thanks,
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Re: Need recommendations for best Time Machine drive solution. SSD vs conventional and brand recommendations for either

[radiof...@gmail.com]

I find that Western digital drives last an average of 18 months so I have 
switched to Seagate drives for backing up files.
Jean


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> On 2/7/23 13:59, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > Definitely SSD. I use Western Digital spin drives  but when the budget 
> > allows it, I will likely get the same brand for SSD.
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> Yes, exactly, and there are good reviews available online so you can 
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Re: Need recommendations for best Time Machine drive solution. SSD vs conventional and brand recommendations for either

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On 2/7/23 13:59, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Definitely SSD. I use Western Digital spin drives  but when the budget 
allows it, I will likely get the same brand for SSD.


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Re: Need recommendations for best Time Machine drive solution. SSD vs conventional and brand recommendations for either

[lenron brown]

SSD are better of course and you can find pretty good deals on amazon.
It really depends on how many back ups you want to save on that drive,
and of couse the amount of storage space you need. You can find a 4 tb
ssd external on amazon for 220 to 260.

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> Donna
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>> On Jul 2, 2023, at 12:30 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
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>> Guys,
>>
>> You may see this note on several lists.  My wife has a Western digital
>> mechanical drive she uses for Time Machine.  The last time she fired it
>> up, we had a bit of a panic as it failed to be recognized or mount
>> initially.  While the drive did eventually present itself in Finder and do
>> its thing, this isn’t the first time it’s given her a fright and we wonder
>> if an external SSD would be more reliable than a conventional drive for
>> TM.  She doesn’t necessarily need speed.  She does need peace of mind.
>> We’d be willing to pay a necessary premium for this.
>>
>> My questions are:
>>
>> Is an SSD more reliable or durable in this context?
>>
>> Do you have any recommendations for a 4TB drive to be used exclusively for
>> Time Machine?
>>
>> Finally, if an SSD doesn’t provide greater durability, do you have
>> recommendations for the best mechanical drive solution?
>>
>> Thanks,
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Re: Need recommendations for best Time Machine drive solution. SSD vs conventional and brand recommendations for either

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I have a Seagate Drive, and have never had any trouble with it.
Donna


> On Jul 2, 2023, at 12:30 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
> 
> Guys,
> 
> You may see this note on several lists.  My wife has a Western digital 
> mechanical drive she uses for Time Machine.  The last time she fired it up, 
> we had a bit of a panic as it failed to be recognized or mount initially.  
> While the drive did eventually present itself in Finder and do its thing, 
> this isn’t the first time it’s given her a fright and we wonder if an 
> external SSD would be more reliable than a conventional drive for TM.  She 
> doesn’t necessarily need speed.  She does need peace of mind.  We’d be 
> willing to pay a necessary premium for this.  
> 
> My questions are:
> 
> Is an SSD more reliable or durable in this context?
> 
> Do you have any recommendations for a 4TB drive to be used exclusively for 
> Time Machine?
> 
> Finally, if an SSD doesn’t provide greater durability, do you have 
> recommendations for the best mechanical drive solution?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin
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Re: Need recommendations for best Time Machine drive solution. SSD vs conventional and brand recommendations for either

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Definitely SSD. I use Western Digital spin drives  but when the 
budget allows it, I will likely get the same brand for SSD.



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On 7/2/2023 10:30 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:

Guys,

You may see this note on several lists.  My wife has a Western digital 
mechanical drive she uses for Time Machine.  The last time she fired it up, we 
had a bit of a panic as it failed to be recognized or mount initially.  While 
the drive did eventually present itself in Finder and do its thing, this isn’t 
the first time it’s given her a fright and we wonder if an external SSD would 
be more reliable than a conventional drive for TM.  She doesn’t necessarily 
need speed.  She does need peace of mind.  We’d be willing to pay a necessary 
premium for this.

My questions are:

Is an SSD more reliable or durable in this context?

Do you have any recommendations for a 4TB drive to be used exclusively for Time 
Machine?

Finally, if an SSD doesn’t provide greater durability, do you have 
recommendations for the best mechanical drive solution?

Thanks,
Kevin
  



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Re: Need recommendations for best Time Machine drive solution. SSD vs conventional and brand recommendations for either

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Any drive I think should work.
SSD drives are more expensive so I would for the economy go for a mechanical 
drive.
/A

> 2 juli 2023 kl. 19:30 skrev Kevin Gibbs :
> 
> Guys,
> 
> You may see this note on several lists.  My wife has a Western digital 
> mechanical drive she uses for Time Machine.  The last time she fired it up, 
> we had a bit of a panic as it failed to be recognized or mount initially.  
> While the drive did eventually present itself in Finder and do its thing, 
> this isn’t the first time it’s given her a fright and we wonder if an 
> external SSD would be more reliable than a conventional drive for TM.  She 
> doesn’t necessarily need speed.  She does need peace of mind.  We’d be 
> willing to pay a necessary premium for this.  
> 
> My questions are:
> 
> Is an SSD more reliable or durable in this context?
> 
> Do you have any recommendations for a 4TB drive to be used exclusively for 
> Time Machine?
> 
> Finally, if an SSD doesn’t provide greater durability, do you have 
> recommendations for the best mechanical drive solution?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> 
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Need recommendations for best Time Machine drive solution. SSD vs conventional and brand recommendations for either

[Kevin Gibbs]

Guys,

You may see this note on several lists.  My wife has a Western digital 
mechanical drive she uses for Time Machine.  The last time she fired it up, we 
had a bit of a panic as it failed to be recognized or mount initially.  While 
the drive did eventually present itself in Finder and do its thing, this isn’t 
the first time it’s given her a fright and we wonder if an external SSD would 
be more reliable than a conventional drive for TM.  She doesn’t necessarily 
need speed.  She does need peace of mind.  We’d be willing to pay a necessary 
premium for this.  

My questions are:

Is an SSD more reliable or durable in this context?

Do you have any recommendations for a 4TB drive to be used exclusively for Time 
Machine?

Finally, if an SSD doesn’t provide greater durability, do you have 
recommendations for the best mechanical drive solution?

Thanks,
Kevin
 

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Recovering a deleted mail bos from time machine

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I am running Apple Mail on the latest Ventura on my 2020 Macbook Air.
back in December 2022 I accidentally deleted some but not all mail boxes which 
i would now like to recover from time machine. Is there any way to determine 
which mail boxes were backed up in time machine on say 22 December 2022so that 
I can compare this list with the current list of mail boxes and then recover 
the mail boxes which were deleted after that date.
Many thanks … Paul Hopewell

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Time machine backup after changing password on destination dribe, help required

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi there, My Time machine backup destination is a networked storage drive. I 
had to change the password . This required a new backup job as I couldn't find 
any way to change the existing password in the Time machine settings. When 
adding the drive there was a message such as detected an existing backup would 
i like to append the new backup on to  the existing backup?. I can't remember 
the exact message. I did this and the backup was completed successfully.
However I can only access files via Time machine as far back as the new backup. 
Is there anyway I can access the previous backups or have I lost these?
I would be grateful for any advice. 
Thanks in advance, Ron.

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Re: Help using Time Machine

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

OK, two completely different questions about Time Machine.
1. I believe in some cases, you can pick an APP or finder window before you 
start the time Machine process. You will need to experiment a little as I have 
only recovered one or two items with time machine.
2. You can certainly leave your time machine disk plugged in all the time, the 
only disadvantage of this is that if a ransom ware attack gets to your 
computer, there is a good chance they will encrypt all the data on the time 
machine disk too. Some people keep two time machine disks and swap them weekly. 
Or you can use another backup strategy in addition to Time Machine. Also, if 
you have automatic time machine backups turned on, and the time machine disk is 
not available, time machine will still create APFS snapshots that can be used 
to save changes once the disk is available again. Yet another reason to make 
sure you have more free disk space than you really need.

Best Wishes,
Jonathan
> On Jan 29, 2023, at 2:50 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Is it ok to leave external drive plugged in permenantly to MacbookPro2017 
> for time machine backup?
> Thanks!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2023 9:31 AM
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> Subject: Help using Time Machine
> 
> Dear Group,
> I am using Mac OS Monterey.
> Today I opened my CheckBook Pro app and to my surprise, It was showing my 
> last transactions was December 29th 2022.
> I guess there was a iCloud sync problem between my Big Sur & my Monterey.
> So I have a Time Machine backup from January 22, 2023.
> When I enter Time Machine, it places me on the Desktop. I cant figure out how 
> to navigate to iCloud to find and restore my file.
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
> Thanks,
> Rob
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RE: Help using Time Machine

[Fazil M.]

Is it ok to leave external drive plugged in permenantly to MacbookPro2017 for 
time machine backup?
Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2023 9:31 AM
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Subject: Help using Time Machine

Dear Group,
I am using Mac OS Monterey.
Today I opened my CheckBook Pro app and to my surprise, It was showing my last 
transactions was December 29th 2022.
I guess there was a iCloud sync problem between my Big Sur & my Monterey.
So I have a Time Machine backup from January 22, 2023.
When I enter Time Machine, it places me on the Desktop. I cant figure out how 
to navigate to iCloud to find and restore my file.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Rob

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Help using Time Machine

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Dear Group,
I am using Mac OS Monterey.
Today I opened my CheckBook Pro app and to my surprise, It was showing my last 
transactions was December 29th 2022.
I guess there was a iCloud sync problem between my Big Sur & my Monterey.
So I have a Time Machine backup from January 22, 2023.
When I enter Time Machine, it places me on the Desktop. I cant figure out how 
to navigate to iCloud to find and restore my file.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Rob

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Re: Transferring files from Time Machine to a new Mac

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On 8/1/23 10:57, Kathryn Zodrow wrote:

I know the new Mac has a USB C port and my older Mac just has a regular USB 
port that I use to plug in my backup disk for time machine. Should I get a USB 
to USB C adapter for the backup disk before I transfer over files or back 
everything up wirelessly?


I bought a couple of USB-C to USB-A adapters with my 14-inch MacBook Pro.

If you have devices that need USB type A, then buying as many adapters 
as you think you'll need would be prudent.


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Re: Transferring files from Time Machine to a new Mac

[Kathryn Zodrow]

Hi Donna.
Thanks for the info. That sounds great. I know the new Mac has a USB C port and 
my older Mac just has a regular USB port that I use to plug in my backup disk 
for time machine. Should I get a USB to USB C adapter for the backup disk 
before I transfer over files or back everything up wirelessly?

Katie



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> Hi Katie,
> 
> This is actually pretty straight forward.  I can’t remember exactly when, but 
> at some point in the setup process, you will be prompted to transfer files.  
> If memory serves—it’s been a couple of years since I last did this—you will 
> have two options: transfer wirelessly from your Mac, and restore from backup 
> disk.  If you have a backup disk, I would choose the latter. Then just follow 
> the prompts.
> 
> Sorry I can’t be more specific, but I don’t think you’ll have any trouble.
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Kathryn Zodrow  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone.
>> Happy New Year!! :-) Well, I’ve had a great start to 2023 so far. My 
>> birthday was on Thursday a couple days ago and I finally got a new Mac for 
>> one of my birthday gifts!!! 😊😀 I have been using OS X El Capitan on my older 
>> Mac and the dropbox app wasn’t going to work on my older computer much 
>> longer. I got an alert saying it wasn’t supported today when I started my 
>> old computer, so that was perfect timing! I was really excited when I got 
>> the new computer! It’s a Macbook Air  with the M2 chip, and I think it has 
>> OS Ventura installed on it. I am going to try setting it up today after I 
>> have  lunch. I haven’t done that with voiceover before. Is it pretty 
>> straightforward to set up a new computer using voiceover? I was wondering 
>> how do I transfer my data from Time Machine on my old Mac to the new one? I 
>> have just used Time Machine to back up my files, and have not restored from 
>> a back up or transferred files  before.
>> Thanks.
>> Katie
>> 
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Re: Transferring files from Time Machine to a new Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Katie,

This is actually pretty straight forward.  I can’t remember exactly when, but 
at some point in the setup process, you will be prompted to transfer files.  If 
memory serves—it’s been a couple of years since I last did this—you will have 
two options: transfer wirelessly from your Mac, and restore from backup disk.  
If you have a backup disk, I would choose the latter. Then just follow the 
prompts.

Sorry I can’t be more specific, but I don’t think you’ll have any trouble.

Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 7, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Kathryn Zodrow  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone.
> Happy New Year!! :-) Well, I’ve had a great start to 2023 so far. My birthday 
> was on Thursday a couple days ago and I finally got a new Mac for one of my 
> birthday gifts!!! 😊😀 I have been using OS X El Capitan on my older Mac and 
> the dropbox app wasn’t going to work on my older computer much longer. I got 
> an alert saying it wasn’t supported today when I started my old computer, so 
> that was perfect timing! I was really excited when I got the new computer! 
> It’s a Macbook Air  with the M2 chip, and I think it has OS Ventura installed 
> on it. I am going to try setting it up today after I have  lunch. I haven’t 
> done that with voiceover before. Is it pretty straightforward to set up a new 
> computer using voiceover? I was wondering how do I transfer my data from Time 
> Machine on my old Mac to the new one? I have just used Time Machine to back 
> up my files, and have not restored from a back up or transferred files  
> before.
> Thanks.
> Katie
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Transferring files from Time Machine to a new Mac

[Kathryn Zodrow]

Hi everyone.
Happy New Year!! :-) Well, I’ve had a great start to 2023 so far. My birthday 
was on Thursday a couple days ago and I finally got a new Mac for one of my 
birthday gifts!!! 😊😀 I have been using OS X El Capitan on my older Mac and the 
dropbox app wasn’t going to work on my older computer much longer. I got an 
alert saying it wasn’t supported today when I started my old computer, so that 
was perfect timing! I was really excited when I got the new computer! It’s a 
Macbook Air  with the M2 chip, and I think it has OS Ventura installed on it. I 
am going to try setting it up today after I have  lunch. I haven’t done that 
with voiceover before. Is it pretty straightforward to set up a new computer 
using voiceover? I was wondering how do I transfer my data from Time Machine on 
my old Mac to the new one? I have just used Time Machine to back up my files, 
and have not restored from a back up or transferred files  before.
Thanks.
Katie


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Re: Problem with Time Machine

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   One way to find out is to connect it then go into Disk Utility and 
see what options you get when you select Erase.


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On 12/11/2022 3:52 PM, Fazil M. wrote:

Is Crucial X6 APFS compatible?
Thanks!

-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2022 3:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; Agent086b 
Subject: Re: Problem with Time Machine

 The backup drive needs to be APFS.

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On 12/11/2022 3:01 PM, Agent086b wrote:

Sorry for so many questions I am still working out Ventura.

I have a USB drive that I connect to the Mac for backups. I was able to use the 
backup to setup the new Mac with no problems.
However I now wish to backup the new Mac. When I go in to Time Machine settings 
to tell it where to backup. Problem is Time Machine will not see a disk to 
backup to.
The iMac is format to APFS and my drive is something gernold. The drive still 
has a backup of the old Mac. Could this be the problem? There is 2.5TB  space 
on that drive.
Thanks all.
Max.



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RE: Problem with Time Machine

[Fazil M.]

Is Crucial X6 APFS compatible?
Thanks!

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Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2022 3:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; Agent086b 
Subject: Re: Problem with Time Machine

The backup drive needs to be APFS.

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On 12/11/2022 3:01 PM, Agent086b wrote:
> Sorry for so many questions I am still working out Ventura.
> 
> I have a USB drive that I connect to the Mac for backups. I was able to use 
> the backup to setup the new Mac with no problems.
> However I now wish to backup the new Mac. When I go in to Time Machine 
> settings to tell it where to backup. Problem is Time Machine will not see a 
> disk to backup to.
> The iMac is format to APFS and my drive is something gernold. The drive still 
> has a backup of the old Mac. Could this be the problem? There is 2.5TB  space 
> on that drive.
> Thanks all.
> Max.
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Re: Problem with Time Machine

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   The backup drive needs to be APFS.

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On 12/11/2022 3:01 PM, Agent086b wrote:

Sorry for so many questions I am still working out Ventura.

I have a USB drive that I connect to the Mac for backups. I was able to use the 
backup to setup the new Mac with no problems.
However I now wish to backup the new Mac. When I go in to Time Machine settings 
to tell it where to backup. Problem is Time Machine will not see a disk to 
backup to.
The iMac is format to APFS and my drive is something gernold. The drive still 
has a backup of the old Mac. Could this be the problem? There is 2.5TB  space 
on that drive.
Thanks all.
Max.



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Problem with Time Machine

[Agent086b]

Sorry for so many questions I am still working out Ventura.

I have a USB drive that I connect to the Mac for backups. I was able to use the 
backup to setup the new Mac with no problems.
However I now wish to backup the new Mac. When I go in to Time Machine settings 
to tell it where to backup. Problem is Time Machine will not see a disk to 
backup to.
The iMac is format to APFS and my drive is something gernold. The drive still 
has a backup of the old Mac. Could this be the problem? There is 2.5TB  space 
on that drive.
Thanks all.
Max.

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How to recover deleted Apple mail from time machine on Ventura using VoiceOver

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I am running Ventura 13.0.1 on my 2018 iMac.
How can I recover a deleted Email from time machine using VoiceOver? I 
accidentally erased the desired Email and then erased all items in the Email 
trash folder. I have looked on the web on recovering mail from time machine but 
the suggested solution does not work with VoiceOver. I start mail and then go 
to the status menu and select time machine and then enter time machine. VO then 
stops talking and I have to reboot my iMac.
Many thanks for any tips.
Best … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Have an 8TB SSD on my M1 pro. Where can I get a large enough drive to function as a Time machine backup>

[Kevin Gibbs]

I should have been clearer.  I meant to ask for a quality drive large 
enough to do the job,

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 4:23:40 PM UTC-5 ancient...@icloud.com wrote:

> Amazon is one source.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> will make violent revolution inevitable."
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> On 8/29/2022 1:49 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
> > Guys,
> > 
> > Subject says most of it. I need a Time machine drive large enough to 
> back up most, but not all, of an 8TB internal SSD. I’ve excluded all the 
> directories containing all my VST instruments as they could be redownloaded 
> from their respective manufacturers. I assume they would have to be in 
> order to reauthorize most of them. But I’m down to about 650GB on my 4TB 
> Time machine drive which was a relic from my old Mac mini days. What do you 
> recommend for a backup drive designed to routinely handle probably 2TB of 
> data comprising my iTunes, iPhoto and mail and document libraries?
> > 
> > Since I don’t routinely visit this group, could you please do me a favor 
> and reply to author to make sure I see your response?
> > 
> > Best,
> > Kevin
> > 
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Re: Have an 8TB SSD on my M1 pro. Where can I get a large enough drive to function as a Time machine backup>

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   Amazon is one source.

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On 8/29/2022 1:49 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:

Guys,

Subject says most of it.  I need a Time machine drive large enough to back up 
most, but not all, of an 8TB internal SSD.  I’ve excluded all the directories 
containing all my VST instruments as they could be redownloaded from their 
respective manufacturers.  I assume they would have to be in order to 
reauthorize most of them.  But I’m down to about 650GB on my 4TB Time machine 
drive which was a relic from my old Mac mini days.  What do you recommend for a 
backup drive designed to routinely handle probably 2TB of data comprising my 
iTunes, iPhoto and mail and document libraries?

Since I don’t routinely visit this group, could you please do me a favor and 
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Best,
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Have an 8TB SSD on my M1 pro. Where can I get a large enough drive to function as a Time machine backup>

[Kevin Gibbs]

Guys,

Subject says most of it.  I need a Time machine drive large enough to back up 
most, but not all, of an 8TB internal SSD.  I’ve excluded all the directories 
containing all my VST instruments as they could be redownloaded from their 
respective manufacturers.  I assume they would have to be in order to 
reauthorize most of them.  But I’m down to about 650GB on my 4TB Time machine 
drive which was a relic from my old Mac mini days.  What do you recommend for a 
backup drive designed to routinely handle probably 2TB of data comprising my 
iTunes, iPhoto and mail and document libraries?

Since I don’t routinely visit this group, could you please do me a favor and 
reply to author to make sure I see your response?

Best,
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Restoring a file from Time Machine

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

The music app suddenly replaced its library with an old version, thus taking 
away a lot of work I’ve recently done. I am more than a bit angry. Is there a 
way to restoree a previous library from my backup that I know was closer to 
accurate? I have never had any luck getting the time machine restore process to 
be friendly. Can someone help?

Kristeen

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Re: Accessing time machine controls using VO

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.  To manipulate a slider with VO, you 
must first interact with it, then use VO-up/down or VO-right/left depending on 
the orientation of the slider.

Later…


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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 08:54, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am running Monterey 12.2.1 on my 2018 iMac.
> I am trying to understand how to restore an individual file from time 
> machine. As a test I have created several different versions of a test file 
> and after each version have used the menu extra time machine menu (VO+M+M) to 
> force a time machine backup.
> I then find the test file on my Mac hard disk and use the menu extra menu bar 
> to enter time machine. I then use the window chooser (VO+F2+F2) to locate 
> time machine controls. this shows a "backup time line vertical slider" which 
> if I were sighted would let me choose the desired backup time for my test 
> file. 
> How can I access this slider using VO?
> There are also buttons labeled previous and next. I had hoped that I could go 
> through today’s backups by pressing the previous button. but that instead 
> takes me to yesterday’s backup at the time when I originally created the test 
> file.  
> Any ideas on how to choose the desired backup time using VO?
> Best … Paul Hopewell (hopew...@hopewell.org.uk)
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Accessing time machine controls using VO

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I am running Monterey 12.2.1 on my 2018 iMac.
I am trying to understand how to restore an individual file from time machine. 
As a test I have created several different versions of a test file and after 
each version have used the menu extra time machine menu (VO+M+M) to force a 
time machine backup.
I then find the test file on my Mac hard disk and use the menu extra menu bar 
to enter time machine. I then use the window chooser (VO+F2+F2) to locate time 
machine controls. this shows a "backup time line vertical slider" which if I 
were sighted would let me choose the desired backup time for my test file. 
How can I access this slider using VO?
There are also buttons labeled previous and next. I had hoped that I could go 
through today’s backups by pressing the previous button. but that instead takes 
me to yesterday’s backup at the time when I originally created the test file.  
Any ideas on how to choose the desired backup time using VO?
Best … Paul Hopewell (hopew...@hopewell.org.uk)

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How to restore a file from time machine

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello Tim,
Many thanks for your info on this. However I still have problems…

First I had to simplify my time machine setup. I have 2 time machine disks 
which save alternate backups. One of these time machine disks contains 2 
partitions one for my Mac and the other for my wife’s Mac. To get anything to 
work I had to eject disks until I had just a single time machine disk for my 
Mac.

I was then able to see time machine controls which showed the latest backup and 
had the previous button you mentioned and the vertical slider. Alas pressing 
the previous button took me to my first ever backup which was in April 2020! If 
I then press the next button I did indeed get to the next backup which was 
still in April 2020 and I needed a lot of presses of the next button to get to 
11 February 2022 and in the process missed the backup which contained the file 
I wanted to restore. 
Is there a way to access the vertical slider using VO?

When / If I eventually locate the backup for late Friday 11 February 2022 then 
how do I find the 1 file in that backup which I want to restore and thereby 
replace the current version of that file on my Mac hard disk.

I am still unclear as to how my prior technique might corrupt the backup disk. 
All I was doing was to copy the desired file from the backup disk to replace 
its current version on my Mac hard disk. I did not change anything on the 
backup disk.

Many thanks in anticipation of clarification. Is the action of the previous 
button taking me back to my first ever time machine backup a bug which should 
be reported to Apple?

Best … Paul Hopewell

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Re: How to restore a file from time machine using VoiceOver

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Here’s instructions I posted some time ago:

***

>> 1.  Up to the Extras menu and choose Time Machine.
>> 2.  Select Enter Time Machine.
>> 
>> This will automatically bring you to the newest Time Machine backup.  To 
>> access older ones...
>> 
>> 3.  Use the Window Chooser (VO-f2-f2) and choose Time Machine Controls.
>> 
>> There will be a Vertical Slider in this Controls window where you can go 
>> through the backups you have, or you can press the Previous button to go 
>> back through them.  When you have the date and time of the backup you wish 
>> to remove, or use in some other fashion, use the Window Chooser to get back 
>> to the other window once again.  If you wish to remove the entire backup for 
>> that timeline...
>> 
>> 4.  Go to the Sidebar, under Devices and choose your computer.
>> 5.  Interact with the Scroll area and select your HD.
>> 6.  Up to the Toolbar, under the Actions menu and choose Delete this Backup.
***

Basically, when you copy and paste in the method you mentioned, there is a 
possibility, or probability, that you can corrupt your Time Machine backup.  
This could make it so that you no longer have valid Time Machine backups, so it 
is recommended that you use the proper procedure.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Feb 11, 2022, at 12:50, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am running Mac/OS Monterey 12.2.1.
> In the past I used to restore files from time machine by using Finder on the 
> time machine disk to locate the desired file in a backup with the desired 
> date and time and using command+c to copy that file to the clipboard. I then 
> went back to Finder on my Mac Hard Disk and pasted the above file into the 
> correct folder usually choosing the option to replace the existing version of 
> that file. This usually works OK.
> However I understand that this is not the correct way to restore files from 
> time machine, though I do not understand why not. I have looked up how to 
> restore files from time machine via Google but the suggested methods are not 
> VO friendly.
> So how can I correctly restore files from time machine using VoiceOver?
> Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell
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How to restore a file from time machine using VoiceOver

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I am running Mac/OS Monterey 12.2.1.
In the past I used to restore files from time machine by using Finder on the 
time machine disk to locate the desired file in a backup with the desired date 
and time and using command+c to copy that file to the clipboard. I then went 
back to Finder on my Mac Hard Disk and pasted the above file into the correct 
folder usually choosing the option to replace the existing version of that 
file. This usually works OK.
However I understand that this is not the correct way to restore files from 
time machine, though I do not understand why not. I have looked up how to 
restore files from time machine via Google but the suggested methods are not VO 
friendly.
So how can I correctly restore files from time machine using VoiceOver?
Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Viewing date of latest backup in Time Machine?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Well, how interesting.  When I opened Time Machine Just Now, I experienced 
exactly what you described.  But I swear that wasn’t what was happening before. 
 It seemed to just skip right over the Latest Backup Item.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jul 27, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Try doing this without interacting.
> When I go to Menu Extras, and press VO + Spacebar, on the Time Machine item, 
> I am able to navigate using either VO + DownArrow, or just DownArrow by 
> itself, and I am able to navigate the pull down menu as I have always done.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 27, 2021, at 14:56, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> Subject says it all.  I used to be able to do this by interacting, after 
> pressing VO-shift-space on time Machine in the Extras menu.  But I no longer 
> see a way to determine the date of my last backup.  Anyone know how to find 
> this info?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Viewing date of latest backup in Time Machine?

[Brad Snyder]

Try doing this without interacting.
When I go to Menu Extras, and press VO + Spacebar, on the Time Machine item, I 
am able to navigate using either VO + DownArrow, or just DownArrow by itself, 
and I am able to navigate the pull down menu as I have always done.

HTH.

- Brad -


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Hi all,

Subject says it all.  I used to be able to do this by interacting, after 
pressing VO-shift-space on time Machine in the Extras menu.  But I no longer 
see a way to determine the date of my last backup.  Anyone know how to find 
this info?
Cheers,
Donna


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Viewing date of latest backup in Time Machine?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Subject says it all.  I used to be able to do this by interacting, after 
pressing VO-shift-space on time Machine in the Extras menu.  But I no longer 
see a way to determine the date of my last backup.  Anyone know how to find 
this info?
Cheers,
Donna


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RE: Time machine on M1 Mac?

[ilovecountrymusic483]

Hi,

 

Have been using carbin copy cloner And have had no problems withit.  Not sure 
if it is compatible with mblea macs thou.  

 

Matthew

 

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 7:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

 

While we are on the subject of backups, has anyone used Carbon Copy Cloner? Are 
there advantages, other than cost, for one over the other?

Best Regards,

 

Les





On Jun 15, 2021, at 7:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi Donna,

 

Actually, it’s just not in the Extras menu by default.  You can add it to the 
Extras menu either by checking the box in the Time Machine pane in System 
Prefs, or in the Dock & Menus pane of System Prefs.  BTW, the Time Machine app 
in the Applications folder has always behaved in the manner you explained.  
When going into Time Machine via the app, that is the alternate way of getting 
there.  That is, alternate to the Time Machine menu and selecting “Enter Time 
Machine”.

 

HTH.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Sure. First, they moved Time Machine. It’s no longer in the Extras Menu.  The 
tricky part is that you can access it in the Applications folder, but when I 
did that, the only option I had was to restore. However, when I accessed it 
from System Prefs, I was able to set up Time Machine, Configure the disk, and 
Back up my Mac.  So just be sure to access it from System Prefs, and you should 
be good to go.
Cheers,
Donna




On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Agent086b mailto:agent0...@internode.on.net> > wrote:

Hi,
could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing an M1 
Mac later in the year and any info will help.
Max.




On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
Cheers,
Donna




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Hi all,

I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  But I 
have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras menu. I found 
it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option to Restore, not to 
backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back up the new Macs?
TIA,
Donna


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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

[Les Kriegler]

While we are on the subject of backups, has anyone used Carbon Copy Cloner? Are 
there advantages, other than cost, for one over the other?
Best Regards,

Les

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 7:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
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> Extras menu either by checking the box in the Time Machine pane in System 
> Prefs, or in the Dock & Menus pane of System Prefs.  BTW, the Time Machine 
> app in the Applications folder has always behaved in the manner you 
> explained.  When going into Time Machine via the app, that is the alternate 
> way of getting there.  That is, alternate to the Time Machine menu and 
> selecting “Enter Time Machine”.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sure. First, they moved Time Machine. It’s no longer in the Extras Menu.  
>> The tricky part is that you can access it in the Applications folder, but 
>> when I did that, the only option I had was to restore. However, when I 
>> accessed it from System Prefs, I was able to set up Time Machine, Configure 
>> the disk, and Back up my Mac.  So just be sure to access it from System 
>> Prefs, and you should be good to go.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Agent086b >> <mailto:agent0...@internode.on.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing an 
>>> M1 Mac later in the year and any info will help.
>>> Max.
>>> 
>>>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin >>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  
>>>>> But I have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras 
>>>>> menu. I found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option 
>>>>> to Restore, not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back 
>>>>> up the new Macs?
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Donna,

It probably was the default to be in the Extras Menu in the past. It is just 
not the default anymore in Big Sur.

Later…


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:42 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Interesting. I don’t remember ever having to set it up to show in the Extras 
> menu.  But prior to this Mac, I’ve always migrated my data using Time 
> Machine, so it may be that I set it up on my first Mac and that option was 
> just moved forward in the migration process.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 6:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Actually, it’s just not in the Extras menu by default.  You can add it to 
>> the Extras menu either by checking the box in the Time Machine pane in 
>> System Prefs, or in the Dock & Menus pane of System Prefs.  BTW, the Time 
>> Machine app in the Applications folder has always behaved in the manner you 
>> explained.  When going into Time Machine via the app, that is the alternate 
>> way of getting there.  That is, alternate to the Time Machine menu and 
>> selecting “Enter Time Machine”.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sure. First, they moved Time Machine. It’s no longer in the Extras Menu.  
>>> The tricky part is that you can access it in the Applications folder, but 
>>> when I did that, the only option I had was to restore. However, when I 
>>> accessed it from System Prefs, I was able to set up Time Machine, Configure 
>>> the disk, and Back up my Mac.  So just be sure to access it from System 
>>> Prefs, and you should be good to go.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing 
>>>> an M1 Mac later in the year and any info will help.
>>>> Max.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  
>>>>>> But I have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras 
>>>>>> menu. I found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option 
>>>>>> to Restore, not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to 
>>>>>> back up the new Macs?
>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim,

Interesting. I don’t remember ever having to set it up to show in the Extras 
menu.  But prior to this Mac, I’ve always migrated my data using Time Machine, 
so it may be that I set it up on my first Mac and that option was just moved 
forward in the migration process.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 15, 2021, at 6:30 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Actually, it’s just not in the Extras menu by default.  You can add it to the 
> Extras menu either by checking the box in the Time Machine pane in System 
> Prefs, or in the Dock & Menus pane of System Prefs.  BTW, the Time Machine 
> app in the Applications folder has always behaved in the manner you 
> explained.  When going into Time Machine via the app, that is the alternate 
> way of getting there.  That is, alternate to the Time Machine menu and 
> selecting “Enter Time Machine”.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sure. First, they moved Time Machine. It’s no longer in the Extras Menu.  
>> The tricky part is that you can access it in the Applications folder, but 
>> when I did that, the only option I had was to restore. However, when I 
>> accessed it from System Prefs, I was able to set up Time Machine, Configure 
>> the disk, and Back up my Mac.  So just be sure to access it from System 
>> Prefs, and you should be good to go.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Agent086b >> <mailto:agent0...@internode.on.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing an 
>>> M1 Mac later in the year and any info will help.
>>> Max.
>>> 
>>>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin >>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  
>>>>> But I have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras 
>>>>> menu. I found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option 
>>>>> to Restore, not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back 
>>>>> up the new Macs?
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Donna,

Actually, it’s just not in the Extras menu by default.  You can add it to the 
Extras menu either by checking the box in the Time Machine pane in System 
Prefs, or in the Dock & Menus pane of System Prefs.  BTW, the Time Machine app 
in the Applications folder has always behaved in the manner you explained.  
When going into Time Machine via the app, that is the alternate way of getting 
there.  That is, alternate to the Time Machine menu and selecting “Enter Time 
Machine”.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sure. First, they moved Time Machine. It’s no longer in the Extras Menu.  The 
> tricky part is that you can access it in the Applications folder, but when I 
> did that, the only option I had was to restore. However, when I accessed it 
> from System Prefs, I was able to set up Time Machine, Configure the disk, and 
> Back up my Mac.  So just be sure to access it from System Prefs, and you 
> should be good to go.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing an 
>> M1 Mac later in the year and any info will help.
>> Max.
>> 
>>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  
>>>> But I have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras 
>>>> menu. I found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option to 
>>>> Restore, not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back up 
>>>> the new Macs?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

There is no difference when using time machine to back up an M1 Mac versus any 
other Mac. You need to go to System  Preferences, Time Machine, then set it up 
there.

Later…


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 4:56 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing an 
> M1 Mac later in the year and any info will help.
> Max.
> 
>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  But 
>>> I have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras menu. I 
>>> found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option to Restore, 
>>> not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back up the new 
>>> Macs?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>> 
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Sure. First, they moved Time Machine. It’s no longer in the Extras Menu.  The 
tricky part is that you can access it in the Applications folder, but when I 
did that, the only option I had was to restore. However, when I accessed it 
from System Prefs, I was able to set up Time Machine, Configure the disk, and 
Back up my Mac.  So just be sure to access it from System Prefs, and you should 
be good to go.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing an 
> M1 Mac later in the year and any info will help.
> Max.
> 
>> On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  But 
>>> I have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras menu. I 
>>> found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option to Restore, 
>>> not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back up the new 
>>> Macs?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>> 
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

[Agent086b]

Hi,
could you please tell us how you fixed the problem. I will be purchasing an M1 
Mac later in the year and any info will help.
Max.

> On 16 Jun 2021, at 8:33 am, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  But 
>> I have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras menu. I 
>> found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option to Restore, 
>> not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back up the new 
>> Macs?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Time machine on M1 Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Never mind, got it. Sorry to clutter the list.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  But I 
> have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras menu. I 
> found it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option to Restore, 
> not to backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back up the new Macs?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Time machine on M1 Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I’ve finally gotten to the point where I’m ready to back up my M1 Mac.  But I 
have discovered that time machine no longer appears in my Extras menu. I found 
it in the Apps folder, but I only seem to have the option to Restore, not to 
backup.  What’s the deal?  How are we supposed to back up the new Macs?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: How to restore a personal mail folder from Time Machine backup?

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I wondered why I couldn’t do that. Thank you.
Donna

> On May 24, 2021, at 9:33 AM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mail stores all its stuff in ~/Library/Mail (the folder Mail in the folder 
> Library in your home directory under Users on your startup device). Have a 
> good ferret around in there. Apple explicitly documents manipulation of local 
> mailboxes in the Finder, so it cannot be so bad—albeit that finding the 
> mailbox itself can be a bit tedious since it’s heavily nested. But you’ll 
> find it, eventually. If your Time Machine backup is local, then begin your 
> journey by opening the backups.backupdb folder on that backup volume, and 
> descend into the computer folder, and then backup folder for a given snapshot 
> date, and then your startup volume.
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Re: How to restore a personal mail folder from Time Machine backup?

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Mail stores all its stuff in ~/Library/Mail (the folder Mail in the folder 
Library in your home directory under Users on your startup device). Have a good 
ferret around in there. Apple explicitly documents manipulation of local 
mailboxes in the Finder, so it cannot be so bad—albeit that finding the mailbox 
itself can be a bit tedious since it’s heavily nested. But you’ll find it, 
eventually. If your Time Machine backup is local, then begin your journey by 
opening the backups.backupdb folder on that backup volume, and descend into the 
computer folder, and then backup folder for a given snapshot date, and then 
your startup volume.

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Re: How to restore a personal mail folder from Time Machine backup?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

OK, thank you. I think I’ll try your original approach first. Lol
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 21, 2021, at 8:51 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  It restores the entire system back to the point in which the backup was 
> saved.
> 
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>> On May 21, 2021, at 8:00 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, John.  Do you know if it will restore the whole machine from the 
>> ground up, or will it just replace the items it thinks are missing?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2021, at 10:21 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>>    That would be “easier” in some ways, but it’s also time consuming to 
>>> restore from the backup. However, if you are not losing anything current, 
>>> then go for it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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>>> Director
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>>>> On May 20, 2021, at 5:03 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi John,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for this. It sounds complicated, though. Would an alternative be to 
>>>> simply restore my old Mac from the backup? I made the backup on Monday, so 
>>>> about the only thing that would be different would be the personal 
>>>> mailboxes I deleted. I’ve never had to restore from a time-machine backup 
>>>> though, so I don’t have much of an idea about how it works.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 20, 2021, at 11:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think your best bet is using the time machine interface. You have to 
>>>>> open time machine when you are in mail and use the slider to go back to a 
>>>>> specific time in the past in which that folder was present. I have not 
>>>>> done this in a long time, so someone else might have better, more 
>>>>> specific directions. With the time machine interface, you have to use the 
>>>>> window chooser menu to locate the time machine controls and then interact 
>>>>> with the slider to go back in time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take Care
>>>>> 
>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>> Director
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>>>>>> On May 20, 2021, at 12:22 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have one personal mail folder that I forgot to copy over to the new 
>>>>>> Mac. I would like to retrieve it from my last Time Machine backup of the 
>>>>>> old Mac. Anyone know how to do this?
>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>> Donna
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Re: How to restore a personal mail folder from Time Machine backup?

[John Panarese]

  It restores the entire system back to the point in which the backup was saved.

Take Care

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> On May 21, 2021, at 8:00 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, John.  Do you know if it will restore the whole machine from the 
> ground up, or will it just replace the items it thinks are missing?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 10:21 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>    That would be “easier” in some ways, but it’s also time consuming to 
>> restore from the backup. However, if you are not losing anything current, 
>> then go for it.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
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>>> On May 20, 2021, at 5:03 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for this. It sounds complicated, though. Would an alternative be to 
>>> simply restore my old Mac from the backup? I made the backup on Monday, so 
>>> about the only thing that would be different would be the personal 
>>> mailboxes I deleted. I’ve never had to restore from a time-machine backup 
>>> though, so I don’t have much of an idea about how it works.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>>> On May 20, 2021, at 11:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think your best bet is using the time machine interface. You have to 
>>>> open time machine when you are in mail and use the slider to go back to a 
>>>> specific time in the past in which that folder was present. I have not 
>>>> done this in a long time, so someone else might have better, more specific 
>>>> directions. With the time machine interface, you have to use the window 
>>>> chooser menu to locate the time machine controls and then interact with 
>>>> the slider to go back in time.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Take Care
>>>> 
>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>> Director
>>>> Mac for the Blind
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>>>> 
>>>>> On May 20, 2021, at 12:22 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have one personal mail folder that I forgot to copy over to the new 
>>>>> Mac. I would like to retrieve it from my last Time Machine backup of the 
>>>>> old Mac. Anyone know how to do this?
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Donna
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Re: How to restore a personal mail folder from Time Machine backup?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, John.  Do you know if it will restore the whole machine from the ground 
up, or will it just replace the items it thinks are missing?
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On May 20, 2021, at 10:21 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>    That would be “easier” in some ways, but it’s also time consuming to 
> restore from the backup. However, if you are not losing anything current, 
> then go for it.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
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>> On May 20, 2021, at 5:03 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Thanks for this. It sounds complicated, though. Would an alternative be to 
>> simply restore my old Mac from the backup? I made the backup on Monday, so 
>> about the only thing that would be different would be the personal mailboxes 
>> I deleted. I’ve never had to restore from a time-machine backup though, so I 
>> don’t have much of an idea about how it works.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>>> On May 20, 2021, at 11:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think your best bet is using the time machine interface. You have to open 
>>> time machine when you are in mail and use the slider to go back to a 
>>> specific time in the past in which that folder was present. I have not done 
>>> this in a long time, so someone else might have better, more specific 
>>> directions. With the time machine interface, you have to use the window 
>>> chooser menu to locate the time machine controls and then interact with the 
>>> slider to go back in time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
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>>>> On May 20, 2021, at 12:22 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I have one personal mail folder that I forgot to copy over to the new Mac. 
>>>> I would like to retrieve it from my last Time Machine backup of the old 
>>>> Mac. Anyone know how to do this?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
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Re: How to restore a personal mail folder from Time Machine backup?

[John Panarese]

   That would be “easier” in some ways, but it’s also time consuming to restore 
from the backup. However, if you are not losing anything current, then go for 
it.


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> On May 20, 2021, at 5:03 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Thanks for this. It sounds complicated, though. Would an alternative be to 
> simply restore my old Mac from the backup? I made the backup on Monday, so 
> about the only thing that would be different would be the personal mailboxes 
> I deleted. I’ve never had to restore from a time-machine backup though, so I 
> don’t have much of an idea about how it works.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 20, 2021, at 11:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>  I think your best bet is using the time machine interface. You have to open 
>> time machine when you are in mail and use the slider to go back to a 
>> specific time in the past in which that folder was present. I have not done 
>> this in a long time, so someone else might have better, more specific 
>> directions. With the time machine interface, you have to use the window 
>> chooser menu to locate the time machine controls and then interact with the 
>> slider to go back in time.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
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>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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>>> On May 20, 2021, at 12:22 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have one personal mail folder that I forgot to copy over to the new Mac. 
>>> I would like to retrieve it from my last Time Machine backup of the old 
>>> Mac. Anyone know how to do this?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: How to restore a personal mail folder from Time Machine backup?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi John,

Thanks for this. It sounds complicated, though. Would an alternative be to 
simply restore my old Mac from the backup? I made the backup on Monday, so 
about the only thing that would be different would be the personal mailboxes I 
deleted. I’ve never had to restore from a time-machine backup though, so I 
don’t have much of an idea about how it works.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 20, 2021, at 11:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   I think your best bet is using the time machine interface. You have to open 
> time machine when you are in mail and use the slider to go back to a specific 
> time in the past in which that folder was present. I have not done this in a 
> long time, so someone else might have better, more specific directions. With 
> the time machine interface, you have to use the window chooser menu to locate 
> the time machine controls and then interact with the slider to go back in 
> time.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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>> On May 20, 2021, at 12:22 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have one personal mail folder that I forgot to copy over to the new Mac. I 
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Re: How to restore a personal mail folder from Time Machine backup?

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   I think your best bet is using the time machine interface. You have to open 
time machine when you are in mail and use the slider to go back to a specific 
time in the past in which that folder was present. I have not done this in a 
long time, so someone else might have better, more specific directions. With 
the time machine interface, you have to use the window chooser menu to locate 
the time machine controls and then interact with the slider to go back in time.


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> I have one personal mail folder that I forgot to copy over to the new Mac. I 
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> Anyone know how to do this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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How to restore a personal mail folder from Time Machine backup?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I have one personal mail folder that I forgot to copy over to the new Mac. I 
would like to retrieve it from my last Time Machine backup of the old Mac. 
Anyone know how to do this?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: question for those of you who do not use Time Machine to migrate data

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Donna,

A folder that is “On My Mac” will not move to a new Mac automatically as I 
described.
Only folders and content that is on your email providers server will transfer 
this way.
If your provider is for example Gmail, I would suggest you create a folder in 
your Gmail account called “Mac Stuff”, or whatever you want to call it, and 
move items from the folder on your Mac into that folder.  This way, the items 
will reside on your email providers server, and will be available in your email 
account’s folder hierarchy on your new Mac.
 
- Brad -


On May 10, 2021, at 16:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi Brad,

I know that's true for mail folders associated with email accounts, but what 
about others? For example, I have a folder called Mac Stuff where I save posts, 
many from this list, that have instructions for doing things on the Mac that I 
think I might need to refer back to some day.  That mailbox is listed under On 
my Mac.  Though most of the mails in that folder are from this mail account, 
not all of them are.  Will that get moved over as well?  If not, how do I move 
it? So far, a google search as not proven fruitful.
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 10, 2021, at 12:07 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> As long as you've set up your mailboxes and accounts in Internet accounts in 
> system preferences, they will show up automatically on your new Mac. You 
> won't really have to do anything.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On May 10, 2021, at 11:48, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As I have said, my plan with the new M1 Mac is to use Time Machine only to 
> move files. But one thing I am wondering about is how to migrate mailboxes 
> that are on my Mac, that is personal mailboxes that I have created and saved. 
>  If anyone could share how they go about doing this, I would greatly 
> appreciate it.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: question for those of you who do not use Time Machine to migrate data

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Never mind. I think I just found instructions,
Donna


> On May 10, 2021, at 4:27 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> I know that's true for mail folders associated with email accounts, but what 
> about others? For example, I have a folder called Mac Stuff where I save 
> posts, many from this list, that have instructions for doing things on the 
> Mac that I think I might need to refer back to some day.  That mailbox is 
> listed under On my Mac.  Though most of the mails in that folder are from 
> this mail account, not all of them are.  Will that get moved over as well?  
> If not, how do I move it? So far, a google search as not proven fruitful.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On May 10, 2021, at 12:07 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> As long as you've set up your mailboxes and accounts in Internet accounts in 
>> system preferences, they will show up automatically on your new Mac. You 
>> won't really have to do anything.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On May 10, 2021, at 11:48, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As I have said, my plan with the new M1 Mac is to use Time Machine only to 
>> move files. But one thing I am wondering about is how to migrate mailboxes 
>> that are on my Mac, that is personal mailboxes that I have created and 
>> saved.  If anyone could share how they go about doing this, I would greatly 
>> appreciate it.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: question for those of you who do not use Time Machine to migrate data

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Brad,

I know that's true for mail folders associated with email accounts, but what 
about others? For example, I have a folder called Mac Stuff where I save posts, 
many from this list, that have instructions for doing things on the Mac that I 
think I might need to refer back to some day.  That mailbox is listed under On 
my Mac.  Though most of the mails in that folder are from this mail account, 
not all of them are.  Will that get moved over as well?  If not, how do I move 
it? So far, a google search as not proven fruitful.
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 10, 2021, at 12:07 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> As long as you've set up your mailboxes and accounts in Internet accounts in 
> system preferences, they will show up automatically on your new Mac. You 
> won't really have to do anything.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On May 10, 2021, at 11:48, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As I have said, my plan with the new M1 Mac is to use Time Machine only to 
> move files. But one thing I am wondering about is how to migrate mailboxes 
> that are on my Mac, that is personal mailboxes that I have created and saved. 
>  If anyone could share how they go about doing this, I would greatly 
> appreciate it.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: question for those of you who do not use Time Machine to migrate data

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

If all of the mail is still on the server, it will be downloaded when you access the account on the new machine. Otherwise, I’m sure there is a transfer process that would be best looked up via your favourite Web search engine.. I think Apple Mail can be exported to mbox format, but I haven’t needed it. I keep the mail on the server, and archive it from there, then download the archive files – an advantage of running one’s own mail server. On 5/10/21, 12:48, "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries"  wrote:Hi all, As I have said, my plan with the new M1 Mac is to use Time Machine only to move files. But one thing I am wondering about is how to migrate mailboxes that are on my Mac, that is personal mailboxes that I have created and saved.  If anyone could share how they go about doing this, I would greatly appreciate it.TIA,Donna -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6A8FE947-6810-4474-A102-20A5D32F89FB%40me.com. 



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Re: question for those of you who do not use Time Machine to migrate data

[Brad Snyder]

As long as you've set up your mailboxes and accounts in Internet accounts in 
system preferences, they will show up automatically on your new Mac. You won't 
really have to do anything.

- Brad -

On May 10, 2021, at 11:48, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

As I have said, my plan with the new M1 Mac is to use Time Machine only to move 
files. But one thing I am wondering about is how to migrate mailboxes that are 
on my Mac, that is personal mailboxes that I have created and saved.  If anyone 
could share how they go about doing this, I would greatly appreciate it.
TIA,
Donna

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question for those of you who do not use Time Machine to migrate data

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

As I have said, my plan with the new M1 Mac is to use Time Machine only to move 
files. But one thing I am wondering about is how to migrate mailboxes that are 
on my Mac, that is personal mailboxes that I have created and saved.  If anyone 
could share how they go about doing this, I would greatly appreciate it.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: VO on new Mac stops speaking after I migrate my data using Time Machine

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Robert,

Nice guess. Tried it, but no dice.  I've figured out the problem is that VO is 
on, but nothing I do will activate speech. (sigh*(
Thanks,
Donna


> On May 4, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Robert Hill  wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> What you might want to try is to hold down CTRl and option keys, and hit the 
> power button 3 times.
> 
> This should get you into a window where accessibility settings are checked or 
> unchedcked.
> 
> Use VO and right arrow to move through the options. VoiceOver should be the 
> first option. It will probably be unchecked so check it, and exit out of the 
> settings, and you should be on your way.
> 
> Hope it works for you.
> 
> Bob Hill
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2021, at 4:41 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Subject says it all. I migrated my data, everything seemed to be going well. 
>> I heard VO say only 7 minutes remaining. But when I came back in the room, 
>> my MBA had gone completely silent.  The screen is lit up, so I know the Mac 
>> is on.  It's been like that for about twenty minutes.  Anyone know what 
>> might be going on?  Debating whether to restart, but don't want to risk 
>> bricking the mac.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: VO on new Mac stops speaking after I migrate my data using Time Machine

[Robert Hill]

Hi Donna,

What you might want to try is to hold down CTRl and option keys, and hit the 
power button 3 times.

This should get you into a window where accessibility settings are checked or 
unchedcked.

Use VO and right arrow to move through the options. VoiceOver should be the 
first option. It will probably be unchecked so check it, and exit out of the 
settings, and you should be on your way.

Hope it works for you.

Bob Hill


> On May 4, 2021, at 4:41 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Subject says it all. I migrated my data, everything seemed to be going well. 
> I heard VO say only 7 minutes remaining. But when I came back in the room, my 
> MBA had gone completely silent.  The screen is lit up, so I know the Mac is 
> on.  It's been like that for about twenty minutes.  Anyone know what might be 
> going on?  Debating whether to restart, but don't want to risk bricking the 
> mac.
> TIA,
> Donna
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VO on new Mac stops speaking after I migrate my data using Time Machine

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Subject says it all. I migrated my data, everything seemed to be going well. I 
heard VO say only 7 minutes remaining. But when I came back in the room, my MBA 
had gone completely silent.  The screen is lit up, so I know the Mac is on.  
It's been like that for about twenty minutes.  Anyone know what might be going 
on?  Debating whether to restart, but don't want to risk bricking the mac.
TIA,
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Re: Any reason not to migrate data to a new Mac using a Time-machine backup rather than having it migrate directly from the old Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Interesting.  I'd thought about doing that, but though my recent stuff is 
stored in iCloud, I have a fair amount of stuff on my Mac from before, so that 
could end up being sort of time-consuming.
Cheers,
Donna


> On May 4, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> I prefer to migrate my data manually rather than using either a Time Machine 
> backup, or the Migration Assistant.  This way I know I have transferred only 
> the data and not any of the accumulated garbage from the old Mac.
> Since I keep most of my files in iCloud drive, this is a very simple 
> undertaking.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 4, 2021, at 11:53, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm excited to say that I'm a proud owner of a new MBA.
> 
> In the past, I've migrated my data using a time-machine backup, and it seemed 
> to go faster and more smoothly.  However, that was several OSes ago, so I 
> thought I'd see what the current thinking about that is.  My old Mac is 
> running Big Sur. Thoughts?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Any reason not to migrate data to a new Mac using a Time-machine backup rather than having it migrate directly from the old Mac?

[Brad Snyder]

I prefer to migrate my data manually rather than using either a Time Machine 
backup, or the Migration Assistant.  This way I know I have transferred only 
the data and not any of the accumulated garbage from the old Mac.
Since I keep most of my files in iCloud drive, this is a very simple 
undertaking.

- Brad -


On May 4, 2021, at 11:53, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi all,

I'm excited to say that I'm a proud owner of a new MBA.

In the past, I've migrated my data using a time-machine backup, and it seemed 
to go faster and more smoothly.  However, that was several OSes ago, so I 
thought I'd see what the current thinking about that is.  My old Mac is running 
Big Sur. Thoughts?
Cheers,
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Any reason not to migrate data to a new Mac using a Time-machine backup rather than having it migrate directly from the old Mac?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I'm excited to say that I'm a proud owner of a new MBA.

In the past, I've migrated my data using a time-machine backup, and it seemed 
to go faster and more smoothly.  However, that was several OSes ago, so I 
thought I'd see what the current thinking about that is.  My old Mac is running 
Big Sur. Thoughts?
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: What Happens when a Time Machine Drive Isn't Present

[Steve Matzura]

Yes,I know all about that one. I was hoping for someone to tell me from 
a sighted user's perspective what it would look like if the Time Machine 
drive were unavailable--like maybe a red icon or something in the Extras 
window, something like that. For example, when she boots her system in 
the morning, she pays close attention to the drives on the Desktop, and 
when the icons turn from yellow to green, she knows everything's OK, and 
obviously when something's red, red means wrong. I was hoping for 
something like that, so she doesn't have to actively go hunting for the 
info, it'll just stand right up and shout "Problem!"



On 4/30/2021 3:53 PM, Chuck Reichel wrote:

Hi Steve,

Go a head and hide the drives.
Then when you want to show them just hit.
command shift c this will show all your connected hard drives and you can pick 
the one you want to look at.
You can also find this command under the “go” menu
HTH
Chuck



On Apr 30, 2021, at 2:30 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

I currently have all disks showing in Finder on my wife's machine, but 
somehow, and nobody seems to know how this happens, drives get renamed to 
strange things. I suspect a cat is involved, walking on the RETURN key, pressing more keys, then walking on the RETURN key again to effectively rename things. Sometimes the things that get renamed are the system drive and the Time Machine drive. While this does not appear to affect the system's functionality or behavior in any way, the only way I know to stop it from happening is to take those things off the desktop via the Finder Preferences window. But if I do that, how will my wife know if there's a problem with, say, the Time Machine drive if the icon for it isn't there any 
more? Is there somethin in the Extras area under the Time Machine menu to 
indicate absence of the TM drive? Just trying to ward off potential problems caused by little creatures that walk on and among things on and among 
which they really oughtn't be walking in the first place, but always do!


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Re: What Happens when a Time Machine Drive Isn't Present

[Chuck Reichel]

Hi Steve,

Go a head and hide the drives.
Then when you want to show them just hit.
command shift c this will show all your connected hard drives and you can pick 
the one you want to look at.
You can also find this command under the “go” menu
HTH
Chuck


> On Apr 30, 2021, at 2:30 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> I currently have all disks showing in Finder on my wife's machine, but 
> somehow, and nobody seems to know how this happens, drives get renamed to 
> strange things. I suspect a cat is involved, walking on the RETURN key, 
> pressing more keys, then walking on the RETURN key again to effectively 
> rename things. Sometimes the things that get renamed are the system drive and 
> the Time Machine drive. While this does not appear to affect the system's 
> functionality or behavior in any way, the only way I know to stop it from 
> happening is to take those things off the desktop via the Finder Preferences 
> window. But if I do that, how will my wife know if there's a problem with, 
> say, the Time Machine drive if the icon for it isn't there any more? Is there 
> somethin in the Extras area under the Time Machine menu to indicate absence 
> of the TM drive? Just trying to ward off potential problems caused by little 
> creatures that walk on and among things on and among which they really 
> oughtn't be walking in the first place, but always do!
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What Happens when a Time Machine Drive Isn't Present

[Steve Matzura]

I currently have all disks showing in Finder on my wife's machine, but 
somehow, and nobody seems to know how this happens, drives get renamed 
to strange things. I suspect a cat is involved, walking on the RETURN 
key, pressing more keys, then walking on the RETURN key again to 
effectively rename things. Sometimes the things that get renamed are the 
system drive and the Time Machine drive. While this does not appear to 
affect the system's functionality or behavior in any way, the only way I 
know to stop it from happening is to take those things off the desktop 
via the Finder Preferences window. But if I do that, how will my wife 
know if there's a problem with, say, the Time Machine drive if the icon 
for it isn't there any more? Is there somethin in the Extras area under 
the Time Machine menu to indicate absence of the TM drive? Just trying 
to ward off potential problems caused by little creatures that walk on 
and among things on and among which they really oughtn't be walking in 
the first place, but always do!


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Re: Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

[Jonathan Cohn]

The Applications folder is a bit weird in newer OS's since those applications 
(except Safari) that come with the OS are on a read only area that is designed 
to be locked away from being modified, while App Store apps and hand installed 
apps also can reside there.
The OS seamlessly merges these to I thought one could see the readonly and work 
area disks in /System/Volumes, butI can't  understand the structure there.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 30, 2020, at 16:09, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>I don’t know how it worked for you in the past, but opening TM from the 
> applications menu does the same thing as it always has for me. It opens the 
> interface, but you need the Window Chooser menu to get to the TM controls. 
> The only oddity I am currently seeing is VO doesn’t seem to interact properly 
> with the time line. I need to do some more investigating of this.
> 
>As for opening Time Machine from the Finder, this can only be a problem if 
> you are heavily manipulating files and folders haphazardly. As long as you 
> are careful and you know exactly what it is you are trying to access, there 
> are no issues. I’ve access my backups through the Finder interface for years 
> and have never had any problems. It’s certainly a valid approach and is 
> stated in the ACSP training materials as a way to access Time Machine 
> effectively.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Steve Matzura > <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> To your first point, every article I've read, whether it's from Apple or a 
>> user, says managing one's backups via Finder is a bad idea because TM can 
>> get confused if something else gains control of its index structure.
>> 
>> 
>> To your second point about the interface being the same, indeed it is. But 
>> try opening Time Machine from the Applications folder instead. If you don't 
>> get what I got, then I obviously have a wrong setting somewhere. VoiceOver 
>> does some wacky stuff if you do this, such as, but not limited to, not 
>> allowing you into the menus, and needing to access the Time Machine dialog 
>> via the Window Chooser first. Maybe that's Apple's way of saying "ah ah, 
>> don't go there." LOL.
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/30/2020 2:12 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>>   If I want to open my time machine disk to see the folders, I u usually 
>>> look at it through the Finder. I open the disk and proceed from there.
>>> 
>>> As far as I can see, the time machine interface looks the same to me. I 
>>> just tried this by opening Time Machine from the menu extras while focused 
>>> on a folder in Finder.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
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>>>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Steve Matzura >>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
>>>> Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM 
>>>> window back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu 
>>>> (double-VO+F2)?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from the 
>>>> way it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is the 
>>>> ability to select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly restore 
>>>> something, and the Restore button is dimmed.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone else fi

Re: Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

[John Panarese]

   I don’t know how it worked for you in the past, but opening TM from the 
applications menu does the same thing as it always has for me. It opens the 
interface, but you need the Window Chooser menu to get to the TM controls. The 
only oddity I am currently seeing is VO doesn’t seem to interact properly with 
the time line. I need to do some more investigating of this.

   As for opening Time Machine from the Finder, this can only be a problem if 
you are heavily manipulating files and folders haphazardly. As long as you are 
careful and you know exactly what it is you are trying to access, there are no 
issues. I’ve access my backups through the Finder interface for years and have 
never had any problems. It’s certainly a valid approach and is stated in the 
ACSP training materials as a way to access Time Machine effectively.


Take Care

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> On Dec 30, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> To your first point, every article I've read, whether it's from Apple or a 
> user, says managing one's backups via Finder is a bad idea because TM can get 
> confused if something else gains control of its index structure.
> 
> 
> To your second point about the interface being the same, indeed it is. But 
> try opening Time Machine from the Applications folder instead. If you don't 
> get what I got, then I obviously have a wrong setting somewhere. VoiceOver 
> does some wacky stuff if you do this, such as, but not limited to, not 
> allowing you into the menus, and needing to access the Time Machine dialog 
> via the Window Chooser first. Maybe that's Apple's way of saying "ah ah, 
> don't go there." LOL.
> 
> 
> On 12/30/2020 2:12 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>   If I want to open my time machine disk to see the folders, I u usually 
>> look at it through the Finder. I open the disk and proceed from there.
>> 
>> As far as I can see, the time machine interface looks the same to me. I 
>> just tried this by opening Time Machine from the menu extras while focused 
>> on a folder in Finder.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
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>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
>>> 
>>> First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
>>> Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM 
>>> window back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu 
>>> (double-VO+F2)?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from the 
>>> way it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is the 
>>> ability to select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly restore 
>>> something, and the Restore button is dimmed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyone else finding what I'm finding?
>> 
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Re: Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

[Steve Matzura]

To your first point, every article I've read, whether it's from Apple or 
a user, says managing one's backups via Finder is a bad idea because TM 
can get confused if something else gains control of its index structure.



To your second point about the interface being the same, indeed it is. 
But try opening Time Machine from the Applications folder instead. If 
you don't get what I got, then I obviously have a wrong setting 
somewhere. VoiceOver does some wacky stuff if you do this, such as, but 
not limited to, not allowing you into the menus, and needing to access 
the Time Machine dialog via the Window Chooser first. Maybe that's 
Apple's way of saying "ah ah, don't go there." LOL.



On 12/30/2020 2:12 PM, John Panarese wrote:

   If I want to open my time machine disk to see the folders, I u usually look 
at it through the Finder. I open the disk and proceed from there.

 As far as I can see, the time machine interface looks the same to me. I 
just tried this by opening Time Machine from the menu extras while focused on a 
folder in Finder.


Take Care

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On Dec 30, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?


Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM window 
back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu (double-VO+F2)?


The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from the way 
it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is the ability to 
select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly restore something, and 
the Restore button is dimmed.


Anyone else finding what I'm finding?




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Re: Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

[John Panarese]

  If I want to open my time machine disk to see the folders, I u usually look 
at it through the Finder. I open the disk and proceed from there. 

As far as I can see, the time machine interface looks the same to me. I 
just tried this by opening Time Machine from the menu extras while focused on a 
folder in Finder.


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> On Dec 30, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?
> 
> 
> Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
> Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM 
> window back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu (double-VO+F2)?
> 
> 
> The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from the way 
> it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is the ability 
> to select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly restore something, 
> and the Restore button is dimmed.
> 
> 
> Anyone else finding what I'm finding?
> 
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Re: Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

[Steve Matzura]

Hot dog! You nailed it! I forgot to look in System Preferences, but like 
the song says, oops, there it is!



On 12/30/2020 11:38 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Steve,
As to seeing TM in the Extras menu, is there a checkbox in TM preferences that 
needs to be selected?

Dave Carlson
  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?


Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM window 
back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu (double-VO+F2)?


The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from the way 
it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is the ability to 
select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly restore something, and 
the Restore button is dimmed.


Anyone else finding what I'm finding?




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Re: Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

[Dave Carlson]

Steve,
As to seeing TM in the Extras menu, is there a checkbox in TM preferences that 
needs to be selected?

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?


Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM window 
back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu (double-VO+F2)?


The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from the way 
it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is the ability to 
select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly restore something, and 
the Restore button is dimmed.


Anyone else finding what I'm finding?


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Big Sur, Time Machine and VoiceOver Problems

[Steve Matzura]

First off, what's up with Time Machines disappearing from the Extras menu?


Second, what's up with the fact that when TM is opened manually from the 
Applications folder, VoiceOver loses focus and you have to bring the TM 
window back yourself by finding it in the Window Chooser menu 
(double-VO+F2)?



The Time Machine window, once you get to it, is vastly different from 
the way it's been for several versions of MacOS before Big Sur. Gone is 
the ability to select a disk, or to open a list of backups to possibly 
restore something, and the Restore button is dimmed.



Anyone else finding what I'm finding?


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Re: Time Machine Doesn't Purge Old Backups

[John Panarese]

  You might want to do the First Aid before you start filling the disk again 
just for the sake of maybe avoiding it not working properly when you do have 
the disk filled with old backups.


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> On Dec 29, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. After this purge, the volume will be pretty empty, but I'm filling up 
> the source disk pretty fast, so maybe it won't be as long as I thought before 
> the backup drive is full again. Either way, I'm archiving this message and 
> will revisit the issue the next time it happens and I try all the suggested 
> remedies--except the one where I trash the old backups, of course.
> 
> 
> On 12/29/2020 2:57 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>   I’m guessing there is something going on with the disk. Please remember to 
>> let me know what happens. I’d be curious, and I’ll do some poking around to 
>> see if there are any other potential solutions.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'll try it the next time it happens. For now, an easy solution is that I 
>>> deleted a folder of old backups under another name. Trash is now emptying. 
>>> Slowly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/29/2020 2:42 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 Another shot in the dark here, but if this is a separate drive, try doing 
 a first aid on it via Disk Utility. Maybe, there is something corrupted 
 with a file or such. I vaguely recall I had to do this with my Time 
 Capsule in the past in which I directly connected it to my Mac to do a 
 disk repair many moons ago.
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
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Re: Time Machine Doesn't Purge Old Backups

[Steve Matzura]

Thanks. After this purge, the volume will be pretty empty, but I'm 
filling up the source disk pretty fast, so maybe it won't be as long as 
I thought before the backup drive is full again. Either way, I'm 
archiving this message and will revisit the issue the next time it 
happens and I try all the suggested remedies--except the one where I 
trash the old backups, of course.



On 12/29/2020 2:57 PM, John Panarese wrote:

   I’m guessing there is something going on with the disk. Please remember to 
let me know what happens. I’d be curious, and I’ll do some poking around to see 
if there are any other potential solutions.


Take Care

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On Dec 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

I'll try it the next time it happens. For now, an easy solution is that I 
deleted a folder of old backups under another name. Trash is now emptying. 
Slowly.


On 12/29/2020 2:42 PM, John Panarese wrote:

Another shot in the dark here, but if this is a separate drive, try doing a 
first aid on it via Disk Utility. Maybe, there is something corrupted with a 
file or such. I vaguely recall I had to do this with my Time Capsule in the 
past in which I directly connected it to my Mac to do a disk repair many moons 
ago.

Take Care

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Re: Time Machine Doesn't Purge Old Backups

[John Panarese]

  I’m guessing there is something going on with the disk. Please remember to 
let me know what happens. I’d be curious, and I’ll do some poking around to see 
if there are any other potential solutions.


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> On Dec 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> I'll try it the next time it happens. For now, an easy solution is that I 
> deleted a folder of old backups under another name. Trash is now emptying. 
> Slowly.
> 
> 
> On 12/29/2020 2:42 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>> Another shot in the dark here, but if this is a separate drive, try doing a 
>> first aid on it via Disk Utility. Maybe, there is something corrupted with a 
>> file or such. I vaguely recall I had to do this with my Time Capsule in the 
>> past in which I directly connected it to my Mac to do a disk repair many 
>> moons ago.
>> 
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Re: Time Machine Doesn't Purge Old Backups

[Steve Matzura]

I'll try it the next time it happens. For now, an easy solution is that 
I deleted a folder of old backups under another name. Trash is now 
emptying. Slowly.



On 12/29/2020 2:42 PM, John Panarese wrote:
Another shot in the dark here, but if this is a separate drive, try 
doing a first aid on it via Disk Utility. Maybe, there is something 
corrupted with a file or such. I vaguely recall I had to do this with 
my Time Capsule in the past in which I directly connected it to my Mac 
to do a disk repair many moons ago.


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Re: Time Machine Doesn't Purge Old Backups

[John Panarese]

  Another shot in the dark here, but if this is a separate drive, try doing a 
first aid on it via Disk Utility. Maybe, there is something corrupted with a 
file or such. I vaguely recall I had to do this with my Time Capsule in the 
past in which I directly connected it to my Mac to do a disk repair many moons 
ago.

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> On Dec 29, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> I did, and it didn't.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/29/2020 2:05 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>   No, it shouldn’t be necessary. Which is why I suggested deselecting and 
>> reselecting the drive in Time Machine preferences. You will not lose any of 
>> the data, but it might force the system to start purging the oldest backups 
>> as it should. My choice to manually delete my backups is exactly that, my 
>> choice. It’s not caused by the system. When I used smaller capacity drives 
>> in the past, the backups were automatically purged, but I have a 3 TB drive 
>> and I prefer removing year plus old backups myself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Steve Matzura >> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The point is, we should not have to be doing this manually at all. 
>>> According to this article <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201250>,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Time Machine automatically makes hourly backups for the past 24 hours, 
>>> daily backups for the past month, and weekly backups for all previous 
>>> months. The oldest backups are deleted when your backup disk is full.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/29/2020 1:38 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>>>Maybe, reselect the disk again and see if that causes it to start 
>>>> removing oldest backups? I’ve not encountered this. I usually  start 
>>>> deleting old backups myself at some point when they are beyond a year old.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Take Care
>>>> 
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>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've had this problem probably since Sierra. My 3TB backup drive fills, 
>>>>> and even though Time Machine clearly stipulates that it will purge old 
>>>>> backups to create space for new ones, it just never does. If you've had 
>>>>> this problem, how did you solve it, other than manually trashing old 
>>>>> backups you no longer wanted?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
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Re: Time Machine Doesn't Purge Old Backups

[Steve Matzura]

I did, and it didn't.


On 12/29/2020 2:05 PM, John Panarese wrote:
  No, it shouldn’t be necessary. Which is why I suggested deselecting 
and reselecting the drive in Time Machine preferences. You will not 
lose any of the data, but it might force the system to start purging 
the oldest backups as it should. My choice to manually delete my 
backups is exactly that, my choice. It’s not caused by the system. 
When I used smaller capacity drives in the past, the backups were 
automatically purged, but I have a 3 TB drive and I prefer removing 
year plus old backups myself.




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On Dec 29, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Steve Matzura <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:


The point is, we should not have to be doing this manually at all. 
According to this article <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201250>,



Time Machine automatically makes hourly backups for the past 24 
hours, daily backups for the past month, and weekly backups for all 
previous months. The oldest backups are deleted when your backup disk 
is full.



On 12/29/2020 1:38 PM, John Panarese wrote:

Maybe, reselect the disk again and see if that causes it to start removing 
oldest backups? I’ve not encountered this. I usually  start deleting old 
backups myself at some point when they are beyond a year old.


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On Dec 29, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

I've had this problem probably since Sierra. My 3TB backup drive fills, and 
even though Time Machine clearly stipulates that it will purge old backups to 
create space for new ones, it just never does. If you've had this problem, how 
did you solve it, other than manually trashing old backups you no longer wanted?








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Re: Time Machine Doesn't Purge Old Backups

[Brad Snyder]

You asked how I have dealt with this issue in the past, so I told you how I 
addressed the issue.
It isn’t my problem that you didn’t like the answer.
Next time, I won’t bother with you.

- Brad -


On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:52, Steve Matzura  wrote:

In my message, I clearly did say "other than trashing it." So why did you give 
me the answer I specifically requested not be given? What a ridiculous 
notion--my drive fills up with perfectly good backups, so when I can't make any 
more, I'll just throw 'em all away. What a fantastically bad idea that is! I 
hope you never run into a situation where you need a backup and don't have one. 
That happened to me once and only once in the 70's. If one can't learn from 
one's own experience, learn from others' counsel. Do the purge yourself. It's 
more work, but it'll save you in the end some day.



On 12/29/2020 1:35 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
> In the past, when my Time Machine backup has approached capacity, I have 
> wiped the drive and made a clean start over.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:30, Steve Matzura  <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:
> 
> I've had this problem probably since Sierra. My 3TB backup drive fills, and 
> even though Time Machine clearly stipulates that it will purge old backups to 
> create space for new ones, it just never does. If you've had this problem, 
> how did you solve it, other than manually trashing old backups you no longer 
> wanted?
> 


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Re: Time Machine Doesn't Purge Old Backups

[John Panarese]

  No, it shouldn’t be necessary. Which is why I suggested deselecting and 
reselecting the drive in Time Machine preferences. You will not lose any of the 
data, but it might force the system to start purging the oldest backups as it 
should. My choice to manually delete my backups is exactly that, my choice. 
It’s not caused by the system. When I used smaller capacity drives in the past, 
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removing year plus old backups myself.



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> On Dec 29, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> The point is, we should not have to be doing this manually at all. According 
> to this article <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201250>,
> 
> 
> Time Machine automatically makes hourly backups for the past 24 hours, daily 
> backups for the past month, and weekly backups for all previous months. The 
> oldest backups are deleted when your backup disk is full.
> 
> 
> On 12/29/2020 1:38 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>Maybe, reselect the disk again and see if that causes it to start 
>> removing oldest backups? I’ve not encountered this. I usually  start 
>> deleting old backups myself at some point when they are beyond a year old.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've had this problem probably since Sierra. My 3TB backup drive fills, and 
>>> even though Time Machine clearly stipulates that it will purge old backups 
>>> to create space for new ones, it just never does. If you've had this 
>>> problem, how did you solve it, other than manually trashing old backups you 
>>> no longer wanted?
>> 
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Re: Time Machine Doesn't Purge Old Backups

[Steve Matzura]

The point is, we should not have to be doing this manually at all. 
According to this article <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201250>,



Time Machine automatically makes hourly backups for the past 24 hours, 
daily backups for the past month, and weekly backups for all previous 
months. The oldest backups are deleted when your backup disk is full.



On 12/29/2020 1:38 PM, John Panarese wrote:

Maybe, reselect the disk again and see if that causes it to start removing 
oldest backups? I’ve not encountered this. I usually  start deleting old 
backups myself at some point when they are beyond a year old.


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On Dec 29, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

I've had this problem probably since Sierra. My 3TB backup drive fills, and 
even though Time Machine clearly stipulates that it will purge old backups to 
create space for new ones, it just never does. If you've had this problem, how 
did you solve it, other than manually trashing old backups you no longer wanted?




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Re: Time Machine Doesn't Purge Old Backups

[Steve Matzura]

In my message, I clearly did say "other than trashing it." So why did 
you give me the answer I specifically requested not be given? What a 
ridiculous notion--my drive fills up with perfectly good backups, so 
when I can't make any more, I'll just throw 'em all away. What a 
fantastically bad idea that is! I hope you never run into a situation 
where you need a backup and don't have one. That happened to me once and 
only once in the 70's. If one can't learn from one's own experience, 
learn from others' counsel. Do the purge yourself. It's more work, but 
it'll save you in the end some day.



On 12/29/2020 1:35 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
In the past, when my Time Machine backup has approached capacity, I 
have wiped the drive and made a clean start over.


- Brad -


On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:30, Steve Matzura <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:


I've had this problem probably since Sierra. My 3TB backup drive 
fills, and even though Time Machine clearly stipulates that it will 
purge old backups to create space for new ones, it just never does. If 
you've had this problem, how did you solve it, other than manually 
trashing old backups you no longer wanted?




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