Re: VoiceOver and HTMLVoiceOver Getting Started Table of Contents
Generally Voiceover, like NVDA on Windows or Linux, takes a stricter approach to reading HTML in that it does not attempt to repair things. Jaws does try to fix things up but by doing so can guess wrong and/or obscure faults in the page, leading web developers to a false sense of security and encouraging them to repeat bad behavior in future products. So if you're learning how to code HTML accessibly, doing it with voiceover is going to be a step ahead because it won't candy-coat any mistakes. That said, you should get familiar with html validators, WCAG and ARIA standards which is what all browsers 'should' adhere to. Safari/Voiceover, like any platform, has bugs but don't be tempted to go down the path of hacking stuff for different browser/AT combinations. It's a fragile path that usually doesn't end well. Instead go the standards way to give yourself futureproof code and eventually the user agents will catch up. I'd also keep up with Steve Faulkner who does a lot of writings in this area: http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/author/admin/ CB On 3/1/13 9:45 PM, Nicholas Parsons wrote: Thanks, Bill. I've learnt HTML already. Indeed, HTML is HTML, but different screen readers read it differently. For instance, for links, does it read the on-screen text of the link first, its URL (href attribute), its title attribute or the alt text attribute? JAWS is set to read the on-screen text by default. I've noticed VoiceOver often reads file extentions on links such as PHP, ASP and HTM, which makes me think it's reading the href attribute rather than the on-screen text. JAWS, for example, allows the user to choose whether they want JAWs to read out the URL of an image, or its alt text, or both, and so on. Does VoiceOver treat tables used for layout purposes as tables or does it ignore them like JAWS? -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: VoiceOver and HTMLVoiceOver Getting Started Table of Contents
Thanks, Bill. I've learnt HTML already. Indeed, HTML is HTML, but different screen readers read it differently. For instance, for links, does it read the on-screen text of the link first, its URL (href attribute), its title attribute or the alt text attribute? JAWS is set to read the on-screen text by default. I've noticed VoiceOver often reads file extentions on links such as PHP, ASP and HTM, which makes me think it's reading the href attribute rather than the on-screen text. JAWS, for example, allows the user to choose whether they want JAWs to read out the URL of an image, or its alt text, or both, and so on. Does VoiceOver treat tables used for layout purposes as tables or does it ignore them like JAWS? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: VoiceOver and HTMLVoiceOver Getting Started Table of Contents
I learned HTML from an excellent teaching site www.MyHTMLSource.com Maybe that's what you're looking for? I don't think there's anything in HTML that'll allow coding for a specific screen reader like VoiceOver. HTML is HTML regardless of the browser or software accessing it. Good HTML coding should be perfectly readable via safari or any other browser on the MAC. - Original Message - From: "Nicholas Parsons" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 3:02 AM Subject: Re: VoiceOver and HTMLVoiceOver Getting Started Table of Contents Thanks for that, but what I'm looking for are resources on coding HTML for VoiceOver, not reading HTML with VoiceOver. I'm fine with using VoiceOver, but the HTML code I have written doesn't seem to be read by VoiceOver all that well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: VoiceOver and HTMLVoiceOver Getting Started Table of Contents
Thanks for that, but what I'm looking for are resources on coding HTML for VoiceOver, not reading HTML with VoiceOver. I'm fine with using VoiceOver, but the HTML code I have written doesn't seem to be read by VoiceOver all that well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
VoiceOver and HTMLVoiceOver Getting Started Table of Contents
Here's a link to the Mountain Lion VoiceOver getting started guide. check out chapter six for reading HTML with VoiceOver. http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
