Re: Scheduling Zoom meetings on Mac

[Cameron Strife]

Yep, the arrow keys without vo keys is the way to get this done.



On 1/10/22, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Dave’s instructions are great.  Within a specific picker area such as the
> date, use arrow keys alone.  That is, do not add the VO keys to the mix.
> Arrow right/left to go between the Year, Month, Day items, arrow up/down to
> change the value.  Stop interacting with the area with VO-shift-up then
> VO-right to the other picker area.  Sometimes, you can add tab to the
> movement commands if you’re having issues.   Yes, it definitely is a
> challenge, but I’ve scheduled probably over a hundred meetings in Zoom using
> this process.
>
> Later…
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 09:11, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>>
>> Minh,
>>
>> And after you made the changes in the picker, you moved out of interaction
>> with VO+shift+upArrow?
>> Dave Carlson
>> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:06 AM, minh Tam ha > > wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Yes, I tried doing that but when I uninteracted with the fields, none of
>> my selections were saved. Pressing enter would just schedule the meeting.
>>
>> Minh
>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Min,
>>>
>>> Have you tried interacting with the date picker, then right arrow to the
>>> next field, then up/down arrow to change. If this works, then right arrow
>>> to the next part of the date field, up/down again to change that part of
>>> the date. Same idea for the time picker.
>>>
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:49 AM, minh Tam ha >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I am having a really difficult time scheduling meetings through Zoom on
>>> the Mac. The date and time pickers are not behaving the way I expect by
>>> arrow keys or tab. Can anyone provide tips on how best to do this?
>>>
>>> Thanks so much,
>>> Minh
>>>
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Re: Scheduling Zoom meetings on Mac

[minh Tam ha]

Hi Tim,

I figured it out. I actually did have to add VO to the arrow keys in order for 
my selections to stick. Arrow keys alone didn’t keep the date and time I 
selected.

Thanks!
Minh

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 11:17 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Dave’s instructions are great.  Within a specific picker area such as the 
> date, use arrow keys alone.  That is, do not add the VO keys to the mix.  
> Arrow right/left to go between the Year, Month, Day items, arrow up/down to 
> change the value.  Stop interacting with the area with VO-shift-up then 
> VO-right to the other picker area.  Sometimes, you can add tab to the 
> movement commands if you’re having issues.   Yes, it definitely is a 
> challenge, but I’ve scheduled probably over a hundred meetings in Zoom using 
> this process.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 09:11, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Minh,
>> 
>> And after you made the changes in the picker, you moved out of interaction 
>> with VO+shift+upArrow?
>> Dave Carlson
>> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>> 
>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:06 AM, minh Tam ha > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dave,
>> 
>> Yes, I tried doing that but when I uninteracted with the fields, none of my 
>> selections were saved. Pressing enter would just schedule the meeting.
>> 
>> Minh
>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Min,
>>> 
>>> Have you tried interacting with the date picker, then right arrow to the 
>>> next field, then up/down arrow to change. If this works, then right arrow 
>>> to the next part of the date field, up/down again to change that part of 
>>> the date. Same idea for the time picker.
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:49 AM, minh Tam ha >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I am having a really difficult time scheduling meetings through Zoom on the 
>>> Mac. The date and time pickers are not behaving the way I expect by arrow 
>>> keys or tab. Can anyone provide tips on how best to do this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much,
>>> Minh
>>> 
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Re: Scheduling Zoom meetings on Mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Dave’s instructions are great.  Within a specific picker area such as the date, 
use arrow keys alone.  That is, do not add the VO keys to the mix.  Arrow 
right/left to go between the Year, Month, Day items, arrow up/down to change 
the value.  Stop interacting with the area with VO-shift-up then VO-right to 
the other picker area.  Sometimes, you can add tab to the movement commands if 
you’re having issues.   Yes, it definitely is a challenge, but I’ve scheduled 
probably over a hundred meetings in Zoom using this process.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 09:11, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Minh,
> 
> And after you made the changes in the picker, you moved out of interaction 
> with VO+shift+upArrow?
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:06 AM, minh Tam ha  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Yes, I tried doing that but when I uninteracted with the fields, none of my 
> selections were saved. Pressing enter would just schedule the meeting.
> 
> Minh
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Min,
>> 
>> Have you tried interacting with the date picker, then right arrow to the 
>> next field, then up/down arrow to change. If this works, then right arrow to 
>> the next part of the date field, up/down again to change that part of the 
>> date. Same idea for the time picker.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>> 
>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:49 AM, minh Tam ha > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I am having a really difficult time scheduling meetings through Zoom on the 
>> Mac. The date and time pickers are not behaving the way I expect by arrow 
>> keys or tab. Can anyone provide tips on how best to do this?
>> 
>> Thanks so much,
>> Minh
>> 
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Re: Scheduling Zoom meetings on Mac

[Dave Carlson]

Minh,

And after you made the changes in the picker, you moved out of interaction with 
VO+shift+upArrow?
Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:06 AM, minh Tam ha  wrote:

Hi Dave,

Yes, I tried doing that but when I uninteracted with the fields, none of my 
selections were saved. Pressing enter would just schedule the meeting.

Minh

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Min,
> 
> Have you tried interacting with the date picker, then right arrow to the next 
> field, then up/down arrow to change. If this works, then right arrow to the 
> next part of the date field, up/down again to change that part of the date. 
> Same idea for the time picker.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:49 AM, minh Tam ha  > wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I am having a really difficult time scheduling meetings through Zoom on the 
> Mac. The date and time pickers are not behaving the way I expect by arrow 
> keys or tab. Can anyone provide tips on how best to do this?
> 
> Thanks so much,
> Minh
> 
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Re: Scheduling Zoom meetings on Mac

[minh Tam ha]

Hi Dave,

Yes, I tried doing that but when I uninteracted with the fields, none of my 
selections were saved. Pressing enter would just schedule the meeting.

Minh

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Min,
> 
> Have you tried interacting with the date picker, then right arrow to the next 
> field, then up/down arrow to change. If this works, then right arrow to the 
> next part of the date field, up/down again to change that part of the date. 
> Same idea for the time picker.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:49 AM, minh Tam ha  > wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I am having a really difficult time scheduling meetings through Zoom on the 
> Mac. The date and time pickers are not behaving the way I expect by arrow 
> keys or tab. Can anyone provide tips on how best to do this?
> 
> Thanks so much,
> Minh
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Re: Scheduling Zoom meetings on Mac

[Dave Carlson]

Min,

Have you tried interacting with the date picker, then right arrow to the next 
field, then up/down arrow to change. If this works, then right arrow to the 
next part of the date field, up/down again to change that part of the date. 
Same idea for the time picker.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:49 AM, minh Tam ha  wrote:

Hello everyone,

I am having a really difficult time scheduling meetings through Zoom on the 
Mac. The date and time pickers are not behaving the way I expect by arrow keys 
or tab. Can anyone provide tips on how best to do this?

Thanks so much,
Minh

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Scheduling Zoom meetings on Mac

[minh Tam ha]

Hello everyone,

I am having a really difficult time scheduling meetings through Zoom on the 
Mac. The date and time pickers are not behaving the way I expect by arrow keys 
or tab. Can anyone provide tips on how best to do this?

Thanks so much,
Minh

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Re: VoiceOver transmitting in zoom meetings

[Jürgen Fleger]

Yes, I experience this as well. But only if I use the EarPods. I guess the 
microfone is too close to the headphone. So try to use another headphone best 
not a headset but a simple headphone.
All the best
Jürgen

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 04.03.2021 um 22:14 schrieb Chris Moore :
> 
> Hello,
> When using the mac with zoom, VO is transmitting to the meeting even when 
> using headphones.  The only way to stop this is to mute my audio.  
> Has anyone else experienced this, and are there any other workarounds?
> 
> TIA
> Chris
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Re: VoiceOver transmitting in zoom meetings

[Brad Snyder]

That would certainly do it, though this should not be on by default.
It is possible to share your screen, without sharing your computer’s sound, if 
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On Mar 4, 2021, at 15:23, Gabe Griffith  wrote:

Hello, 

It sounds like you are sharing your screen, or at least your audio. You may 
want to check your sharing options. 

Gabe



> On Mar 4, 2021, at 1:14 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
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> Hello,
> When using the mac with zoom, VO is transmitting to the meeting even when 
> using headphones.  The only way to stop this is to mute my audio.  
> Has anyone else experienced this, and are there any other workarounds?
> 
> TIA
> Chris
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Re: VoiceOver transmitting in zoom meetings

[Brad Snyder]

I use Zoom with VoiceOver on my Mac quite extensively, and have never 
experienced this problem
Makes me wonder what kind of headphones/microphone you are using.

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Hello,
When using the mac with zoom, VO is transmitting to the meeting even when using 
headphones.  The only way to stop this is to mute my audio.  
Has anyone else experienced this, and are there any other workarounds?

TIA
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Re: VoiceOver transmitting in zoom meetings

[Gabe Griffith]

Hello, 

It sounds like you are sharing your screen, or at least your audio. You may 
want to check your sharing options. 

Gabe
 


> On Mar 4, 2021, at 1:14 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
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> Hello,
> When using the mac with zoom, VO is transmitting to the meeting even when 
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> Has anyone else experienced this, and are there any other workarounds?
> 
> TIA
> Chris
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VoiceOver transmitting in zoom meetings

[Chris Moore]

Hello,
When using the mac with zoom, VO is transmitting to the meeting even when using 
headphones.  The only way to stop this is to mute my audio.  
Has anyone else experienced this, and are there any other workarounds?

TIA
Chris

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Re: Joining Zoom Meetings

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There is also a way to link your calendar to zoom which should then put 
upcoming meetings straight in to zoom so you can open zoom and click on the 
relevant upcoming meeting - you need to do this via settings on zoom and I 
think you need to go to advance meetings or more settings which takes you to 
the online zoom page - I did it ages ago and now can’t remember how I did it 

- I think this still depends on how the invite is sent out though - others may 
know more  

> On 26 Nov 2020, at 16:41, John Panarese  wrote:
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>  It also works here on the Mac. As long as it’s the URL, it has worked from 
> the Mac Calendar event details screen.
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>> On Nov 26, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>> Try just clicking on the meeting link in the calendar entry. That usually 
>> works for me on my iOS device.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Nov 26, 2020, at 08:15, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> Here’s a question for you. Like most people these days, I am attending loads 
>> of zoom meetings.  When the hostsendso ut meeting invites like a good little 
>> soldier I add them to my calendar.  Thing is that  joining means I have to 
>> open up calendar then copy the url and past it in to Safari.  Any easier 
>> ways that I can just jump from calendar to zoom without having to go through 
>> safari?
>> 
>> Any suggestions appreciated.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Kerry
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Re: Joining Zoom Meetings

[John Panarese]

  It also works here on the Mac. As long as it’s the URL, it has worked from 
the Mac Calendar event details screen.


> On Nov 26, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Try just clicking on the meeting link in the calendar entry. That usually 
> works for me on my iOS device.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Nov 26, 2020, at 08:15, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
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> Hi all:
> 
> Here’s a question for you. Like most people these days, I am attending loads 
> of zoom meetings.  When the hostsendso ut meeting invites like a good little 
> soldier I add them to my calendar.  Thing is that  joining means I have to 
> open up calendar then copy the url and past it in to Safari.  Any easier ways 
> that I can just jump from calendar to zoom without having to go through 
> safari?
> 
> Any suggestions appreciated.
> 
> Regards
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Re: Joining Zoom Meetings

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Try just clicking on the meeting link in the calendar entry. That usually works 
for me on my iOS device.

- Brad -

On Nov 26, 2020, at 08:15, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:

Hi all:

Here’s a question for you. Like most people these days, I am attending loads of 
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Any suggestions appreciated.

Regards
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Joining Zoom Meetings

[Kerryann Ifill]

Hi all:

Here’s a question for you. Like most people these days, I am attending loads of 
zoom meetings.  When the hostsendso ut meeting invites like a good little 
soldier I add them to my calendar.  Thing is that  joining means I have to open 
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Re: Using iPhone As A WebCam For Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

Why not just buy a Logitech USB HD webcam for your PC or Mac?

- Brad -


On Oct 16, 2020, at 16:49, Pete De Vasto  wrote:

Hello all,

I need to attend a zoom meeting next week, and I’ve been asked to attend either 
via Mac or PC to demo some stuff. Unfortunately, neither my Mac mini or Windows 
10 PC came with a camera. I’ve been researching, and it sounds like there are 
apps out there that can turn an iPhone into a web cam for either Mac or PC. Has 
anyone tried doing this? And if so, what success, or lack thereof, have you had?

Thanks, in advance, for any help,
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Using iPhone As A WebCam For Zoom Meetings

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Hello all,

I need to attend a zoom meeting next week, and I’ve been asked to attend either 
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Re: Improving Voice Over in Zoom meetings

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Too bad about the suboptimal microphone quality problem. While I like
the notion of dual audio devices independently controlled a lot,
inferior mic quality is a showstopper. Glad your workaround suffices for
you.

Best,

Janina

Robert Carter writes:
> Hi Kare,
> 
> The sound quality of the headset is fine. It is an over the ear headset. I 
> did not find the sound of the built-in microphone to be as good as the 
> microphones on my 16 inch MacBook Pro. So, I choose to use the MacBook Pro 
> microphones instead of the headset microphone. It is totally user choice.
> 
> This headset can also be plugged straight into the headphone jack of the 
> MacBook Pro. Of course when you do this, you loose the advantage of the two 
> USB sound cards.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jul 11, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Karen Lewellen  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Oh, Robert, how is the sound quality?
> > Janina, if you find other models, please share.
> > Kare
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, 11 Jul 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > 
> >> I like the notion of dual DACs on a headset device. You've got me
> >> shopping!
> >> 
> >> Best,
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> Robert Carter writes:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> I purchased an Arctic 5 gaming headset. This headset has a USB interface 
> >>> and has two sound cards built-in. So, there is a volume control on the 
> >>> cable which allows you to control the volume of the two sound cards 
> >>> separately. You can set up the sound sources on the Mac so that you have 
> >>> VoiceOver on one sound card and Zoom on the other. This way, using the 
> >>> single volume control, you can turn either sound source up or down as 
> >>> needed. This is not panning as both sound from Zoom and Voice Over come 
> >>> through both speakers but the ability to grab the volume control and turn 
> >>> up or down either source instantaneously makes for a much more pleasant 
> >>> Zoom and VoiceOver experience.
> >>> 
> >>> I learned about this headset from a podcast that David Woodbridge did 
> >>> about it.
> >>> 
> >>> Robert Carter
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:35 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>>  wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hello All:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Like many of you I spend a lot of time each week in Zoom meetings.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I find there are many ways by which Zoom notifications read aloud by 
> >>>> Voice Over
> >>>> enhance the experience. I very much appreciate knowing who just entered
> >>>> the meeting, and who just left. This is only one example.
> >>>> 
> >>>> But there's clearly also the problem of Voice Over obscuring what is
> >>>> being said in the teleconference itself. Unfortunately, both speack at
> >>>> exactly the same locus of a stereo field, because there's no facility to
> >>>> pan these sound emmiters to different locations even though most of us
> >>>> are likely stereo capable in our hardware.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I believe the situation could be enhanced greatly if we had the ability 
> >>>> to
> >>>> adjust the pan position of Voice Over speech. If the sound coming
> >>>> from the meeting were in one location in the stereo field, while Voice 
> >>>> Over
> >>>> speech were in a different pan location; we would have a greater 
> >>>> possibility to pay
> >>>> attention to the one and ignore the other. Some of us would likely even
> >>>> learn to comprehend both just as sighted people often comprehend
> >>>> unrelated simoultaneous events in their visual field.
> >>>> 
> >>>> What do you think? Is this something we should request of Apple? I
> >>>> suspect it would be relatively easy to implement.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> 
> >>>> Janina
> >>>> 
> >>>> --
> >>>> 
> >>>> Janina Sajka
> >>>> https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
> >>>> 
> >>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
> >>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:http://a11y.org
> >>>> 
> >>>&

Re: Improving Voice Over in Zoom meetings

[Kliph Senior]

Do you have a link for this headset?


> On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Robert Carter  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kare,
> 
> The sound quality of the headset is fine. It is an over the ear headset. I 
> did not find the sound of the built-in microphone to be as good as the 
> microphones on my 16 inch MacBook Pro. So, I choose to use the MacBook Pro 
> microphones instead of the headset microphone. It is totally user choice.
> 
> This headset can also be plugged straight into the headphone jack of the 
> MacBook Pro. Of course when you do this, you loose the advantage of the two 
> USB sound cards.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, Robert, how is the sound quality?
>> Janina, if you find other models, please share.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> I like the notion of dual DACs on a headset device. You've got me
>>> shopping!
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Robert Carter writes:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I purchased an Arctic 5 gaming headset. This headset has a USB interface 
>>>> and has two sound cards built-in. So, there is a volume control on the 
>>>> cable which allows you to control the volume of the two sound cards 
>>>> separately. You can set up the sound sources on the Mac so that you have 
>>>> VoiceOver on one sound card and Zoom on the other. This way, using the 
>>>> single volume control, you can turn either sound source up or down as 
>>>> needed. This is not panning as both sound from Zoom and Voice Over come 
>>>> through both speakers but the ability to grab the volume control and turn 
>>>> up or down either source instantaneously makes for a much more pleasant 
>>>> Zoom and VoiceOver experience.
>>>> 
>>>> I learned about this headset from a podcast that David Woodbridge did 
>>>> about it.
>>>> 
>>>> Robert Carter
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:35 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Like many of you I spend a lot of time each week in Zoom meetings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I find there are many ways by which Zoom notifications read aloud by 
>>>>> Voice Over
>>>>> enhance the experience. I very much appreciate knowing who just entered
>>>>> the meeting, and who just left. This is only one example.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But there's clearly also the problem of Voice Over obscuring what is
>>>>> being said in the teleconference itself. Unfortunately, both speack at
>>>>> exactly the same locus of a stereo field, because there's no facility to
>>>>> pan these sound emmiters to different locations even though most of us
>>>>> are likely stereo capable in our hardware.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I believe the situation could be enhanced greatly if we had the ability to
>>>>> adjust the pan position of Voice Over speech. If the sound coming
>>>>> from the meeting were in one location in the stereo field, while Voice 
>>>>> Over
>>>>> speech were in a different pan location; we would have a greater 
>>>>> possibility to pay
>>>>> attention to the one and ignore the other. Some of us would likely even
>>>>> learn to comprehend both just as sighted people often comprehend
>>>>> unrelated simoultaneous events in their visual field.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What do you think? Is this something we should request of Apple? I
>>>>> suspect it would be relatively easy to implement.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Janina
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> Janina Sajka
>>>>> https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
>>>>> 
>>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>>>> Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures   
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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Re: Improving Voice Over in Zoom meetings

[Robert Carter]

Hi Kare,

The sound quality of the headset is fine. It is an over the ear headset. I did 
not find the sound of the built-in microphone to be as good as the microphones 
on my 16 inch MacBook Pro. So, I choose to use the MacBook Pro microphones 
instead of the headset microphone. It is totally user choice.

This headset can also be plugged straight into the headphone jack of the 
MacBook Pro. Of course when you do this, you loose the advantage of the two USB 
sound cards.

Robert Carter



> On Jul 11, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Oh, Robert, how is the sound quality?
> Janina, if you find other models, please share.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> I like the notion of dual DACs on a headset device. You've got me
>> shopping!
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Robert Carter writes:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I purchased an Arctic 5 gaming headset. This headset has a USB interface 
>>> and has two sound cards built-in. So, there is a volume control on the 
>>> cable which allows you to control the volume of the two sound cards 
>>> separately. You can set up the sound sources on the Mac so that you have 
>>> VoiceOver on one sound card and Zoom on the other. This way, using the 
>>> single volume control, you can turn either sound source up or down as 
>>> needed. This is not panning as both sound from Zoom and Voice Over come 
>>> through both speakers but the ability to grab the volume control and turn 
>>> up or down either source instantaneously makes for a much more pleasant 
>>> Zoom and VoiceOver experience.
>>> 
>>> I learned about this headset from a podcast that David Woodbridge did about 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> Robert Carter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:35 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All:
>>>> 
>>>> Like many of you I spend a lot of time each week in Zoom meetings.
>>>> 
>>>> I find there are many ways by which Zoom notifications read aloud by Voice 
>>>> Over
>>>> enhance the experience. I very much appreciate knowing who just entered
>>>> the meeting, and who just left. This is only one example.
>>>> 
>>>> But there's clearly also the problem of Voice Over obscuring what is
>>>> being said in the teleconference itself. Unfortunately, both speack at
>>>> exactly the same locus of a stereo field, because there's no facility to
>>>> pan these sound emmiters to different locations even though most of us
>>>> are likely stereo capable in our hardware.
>>>> 
>>>> I believe the situation could be enhanced greatly if we had the ability to
>>>> adjust the pan position of Voice Over speech. If the sound coming
>>>> from the meeting were in one location in the stereo field, while Voice Over
>>>> speech were in a different pan location; we would have a greater 
>>>> possibility to pay
>>>> attention to the one and ignore the other. Some of us would likely even
>>>> learn to comprehend both just as sighted people often comprehend
>>>> unrelated simoultaneous events in their visual field.
>>>> 
>>>> What do you think? Is this something we should request of Apple? I
>>>> suspect it would be relatively easy to implement.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Janina
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> Janina Sajka
>>>> https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
>>>> 
>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:  http://a11y.org
>>>> 
>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>>> Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
>>>> http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>>>> 
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Re: Improving Voice Over in Zoom meetings

[Karen Lewellen]

Oh, Robert, how is the sound quality?
Janina, if you find other models, please share.
Kare



On Sat, 11 Jul 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:


I like the notion of dual DACs on a headset device. You've got me
shopping!

Best,

Janina

Robert Carter writes:

Hi,

I purchased an Arctic 5 gaming headset. This headset has a USB interface and 
has two sound cards built-in. So, there is a volume control on the cable which 
allows you to control the volume of the two sound cards separately. You can set 
up the sound sources on the Mac so that you have VoiceOver on one sound card 
and Zoom on the other. This way, using the single volume control, you can turn 
either sound source up or down as needed. This is not panning as both sound 
from Zoom and Voice Over come through both speakers but the ability to grab the 
volume control and turn up or down either source instantaneously makes for a 
much more pleasant Zoom and VoiceOver experience.

I learned about this headset from a podcast that David Woodbridge did about it.

Robert Carter




On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:35 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hello All:

Like many of you I spend a lot of time each week in Zoom meetings.

I find there are many ways by which Zoom notifications read aloud by Voice Over
enhance the experience. I very much appreciate knowing who just entered
the meeting, and who just left. This is only one example.

But there's clearly also the problem of Voice Over obscuring what is
being said in the teleconference itself. Unfortunately, both speack at
exactly the same locus of a stereo field, because there's no facility to
pan these sound emmiters to different locations even though most of us
are likely stereo capable in our hardware.

I believe the situation could be enhanced greatly if we had the ability to
adjust the pan position of Voice Over speech. If the sound coming
from the meeting were in one location in the stereo field, while Voice Over
speech were in a different pan location; we would have a greater possibility to 
pay
attention to the one and ignore the other. Some of us would likely even
learn to comprehend both just as sighted people often comprehend
unrelated simoultaneous events in their visual field.

What do you think? Is this something we should request of Apple? I
suspect it would be relatively easy to implement.

Best,

Janina

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Re: Improving Voice Over in Zoom meetings

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I like the notion of dual DACs on a headset device. You've got me
shopping!

Best,

Janina

Robert Carter writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I purchased an Arctic 5 gaming headset. This headset has a USB interface and 
> has two sound cards built-in. So, there is a volume control on the cable 
> which allows you to control the volume of the two sound cards separately. You 
> can set up the sound sources on the Mac so that you have VoiceOver on one 
> sound card and Zoom on the other. This way, using the single volume control, 
> you can turn either sound source up or down as needed. This is not panning as 
> both sound from Zoom and Voice Over come through both speakers but the 
> ability to grab the volume control and turn up or down either source 
> instantaneously makes for a much more pleasant Zoom and VoiceOver experience.
> 
> I learned about this headset from a podcast that David Woodbridge did about 
> it.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
>  
> 
> > On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:35 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello All:
> > 
> > Like many of you I spend a lot of time each week in Zoom meetings.
> > 
> > I find there are many ways by which Zoom notifications read aloud by Voice 
> > Over
> > enhance the experience. I very much appreciate knowing who just entered
> > the meeting, and who just left. This is only one example.
> > 
> > But there's clearly also the problem of Voice Over obscuring what is
> > being said in the teleconference itself. Unfortunately, both speack at
> > exactly the same locus of a stereo field, because there's no facility to
> > pan these sound emmiters to different locations even though most of us
> > are likely stereo capable in our hardware.
> > 
> > I believe the situation could be enhanced greatly if we had the ability to
> > adjust the pan position of Voice Over speech. If the sound coming
> > from the meeting were in one location in the stereo field, while Voice Over
> > speech were in a different pan location; we would have a greater 
> > possibility to pay
> > attention to the one and ignore the other. Some of us would likely even
> > learn to comprehend both just as sighted people often comprehend
> > unrelated simoultaneous events in their visual field.
> > 
> > What do you think? Is this something we should request of Apple? I
> > suspect it would be relatively easy to implement.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Janina Sajka
> > https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
> > 
> > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:   http://a11y.org
> > 
> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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Re: Improving Voice Over in Zoom meetings

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

I purchased an Arctic 5 gaming headset. This headset has a USB interface and 
has two sound cards built-in. So, there is a volume control on the cable which 
allows you to control the volume of the two sound cards separately. You can set 
up the sound sources on the Mac so that you have VoiceOver on one sound card 
and Zoom on the other. This way, using the single volume control, you can turn 
either sound source up or down as needed. This is not panning as both sound 
from Zoom and Voice Over come through both speakers but the ability to grab the 
volume control and turn up or down either source instantaneously makes for a 
much more pleasant Zoom and VoiceOver experience.

I learned about this headset from a podcast that David Woodbridge did about it.

Robert Carter

 

> On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:35 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> Like many of you I spend a lot of time each week in Zoom meetings.
> 
> I find there are many ways by which Zoom notifications read aloud by Voice 
> Over
> enhance the experience. I very much appreciate knowing who just entered
> the meeting, and who just left. This is only one example.
> 
> But there's clearly also the problem of Voice Over obscuring what is
> being said in the teleconference itself. Unfortunately, both speack at
> exactly the same locus of a stereo field, because there's no facility to
> pan these sound emmiters to different locations even though most of us
> are likely stereo capable in our hardware.
> 
> I believe the situation could be enhanced greatly if we had the ability to
> adjust the pan position of Voice Over speech. If the sound coming
> from the meeting were in one location in the stereo field, while Voice Over
> speech were in a different pan location; we would have a greater possibility 
> to pay
> attention to the one and ignore the other. Some of us would likely even
> learn to comprehend both just as sighted people often comprehend
> unrelated simoultaneous events in their visual field.
> 
> What do you think? Is this something we should request of Apple? I
> suspect it would be relatively easy to implement.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka
> https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
> 
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures   http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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Re: Improving Voice Over in Zoom meetings

[Maurice Mines]

What I'd like to see as a significantly better way to Focus voiceover on Wayne 
from the List of participants that are leaving, and arriving enter the meeting. 
The other thing is I'd love to see a way to get captioning working so that it 
makes sense. This would help the deaf blind tremendously. Hope my two cents was 
help
Sincerely Maurice Mies.
> On Jul 9, 2020, at 12:35 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> Like many of you I spend a lot of time each week in Zoom meetings.
> 
> I find there are many ways by which Zoom notifications read aloud by Voice 
> Over
> enhance the experience. I very much appreciate knowing who just entered
> the meeting, and who just left. This is only one example.
> 
> But there's clearly also the problem of Voice Over obscuring what is
> being said in the teleconference itself. Unfortunately, both speack at
> exactly the same locus of a stereo field, because there's no facility to
> pan these sound emmiters to different locations even though most of us
> are likely stereo capable in our hardware.
> 
> I believe the situation could be enhanced greatly if we had the ability to
> adjust the pan position of Voice Over speech. If the sound coming
> from the meeting were in one location in the stereo field, while Voice Over
> speech were in a different pan location; we would have a greater possibility 
> to pay
> attention to the one and ignore the other. Some of us would likely even
> learn to comprehend both just as sighted people often comprehend
> unrelated simoultaneous events in their visual field.
> 
> What do you think? Is this something we should request of Apple? I
> suspect it would be relatively easy to implement.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka
> https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
> 
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures   http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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Re: Improving Voice Over in Zoom meetings

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Janina,

I agree 100%! That would be a great feature request. I know nothing about how 
it would be implemented, but I am pretty good at audio multi-tasking when the 
sound is coming from different sources, so this makes complete sense to me. 
Also, it would seem to fit well with Apple's goal of providing broader sound 
spatiality with the AirPods that was announced at the WDC keynote.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:35 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hello All:
> 
> Like many of you I spend a lot of time each week in Zoom meetings.
> 
> I find there are many ways by which Zoom notifications read aloud by Voice 
> Over
> enhance the experience. I very much appreciate knowing who just entered
> the meeting, and who just left. This is only one example.
> 
> But there's clearly also the problem of Voice Over obscuring what is
> being said in the teleconference itself. Unfortunately, both speack at
> exactly the same locus of a stereo field, because there's no facility to
> pan these sound emmiters to different locations even though most of us
> are likely stereo capable in our hardware.
> 
> I believe the situation could be enhanced greatly if we had the ability to
> adjust the pan position of Voice Over speech. If the sound coming
> from the meeting were in one location in the stereo field, while Voice Over
> speech were in a different pan location; we would have a greater possibility 
> to pay
> attention to the one and ignore the other. Some of us would likely even
> learn to comprehend both just as sighted people often comprehend
> unrelated simoultaneous events in their visual field.
> 
> What do you think? Is this something we should request of Apple? I
> suspect it would be relatively easy to implement.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
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Improving Voice Over in Zoom meetings

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hello All:

Like many of you I spend a lot of time each week in Zoom meetings.

I find there are many ways by which Zoom notifications read aloud by Voice Over
enhance the experience. I very much appreciate knowing who just entered
the meeting, and who just left. This is only one example.

But there's clearly also the problem of Voice Over obscuring what is
being said in the teleconference itself. Unfortunately, both speack at
exactly the same locus of a stereo field, because there's no facility to
pan these sound emmiters to different locations even though most of us
are likely stereo capable in our hardware.

I believe the situation could be enhanced greatly if we had the ability to
adjust the pan position of Voice Over speech. If the sound coming
from the meeting were in one location in the stereo field, while Voice Over
speech were in a different pan location; we would have a greater possibility to 
pay
attention to the one and ignore the other. Some of us would likely even
learn to comprehend both just as sighted people often comprehend
unrelated simoultaneous events in their visual field.

What do you think? Is this something we should request of Apple? I
suspect it would be relatively easy to implement.

Best,

Janina

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Re: Decreasing the verbosity of VO during Zoom Meetings

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My experience has been that that does not always work consistently.
Cheers,
Donna 

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> On Jul 8, 2020, at 8:49 AM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> Try adding a commander to mute voice over on the Mac.
> I use options plus tilder.
> To mute and unmute on the fly.
> So, press the hot key to mute and speak, then press it again to unmute.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 9:36 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi Yolanda,
>> 
>> to the best of my knowledge, there is no way to do this, other than muting 
>> Voiceover, which he probably does not want to do. My recommendation would be 
>> that he just wear headphones. That will solve the problem.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jul 8, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We have a student using zoom on the mac to attend a lot of different
>>> online conferences. He stays muted unless he wants to speak then he
>>> holds down the spacebar and speaks and releases it when he is finished
>>> talking. The issue which arises is VO gives the announcement abouted
>>> being unmuted and has spoken longer than he has by the time he is
>>> finished.
>>> 
>>> The question is:
>>> Is there a way to decrease the verbosity of VO during zoom sessions so
>>> he can avoid the nuisance status of his microphone?
>>> Thanks in Advance.
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Re: Decreasing the verbosity of VO during Zoom Meetings

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Try adding a commander to mute voice over on the Mac.
I use options plus tilder.
To mute and unmute on the fly.
So, press the hot key to mute and speak, then press it again to unmute.


> On Jul 8, 2020, at 9:36 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Yolanda,
> 
> to the best of my knowledge, there is no way to do this, other than muting 
> Voiceover, which he probably does not want to do. My recommendation would be 
> that he just wear headphones. That will solve the problem.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:
>> 
>> We have a student using zoom on the mac to attend a lot of different
>> online conferences. He stays muted unless he wants to speak then he
>> holds down the spacebar and speaks and releases it when he is finished
>> talking. The issue which arises is VO gives the announcement abouted
>> being unmuted and has spoken longer than he has by the time he is
>> finished.
>> 
>> The question is:
>> Is there a way to decrease the verbosity of VO during zoom sessions so
>> he can avoid the nuisance status of his microphone?
>> Thanks in Advance.
>> 
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Re: Decreasing the verbosity of VO during Zoom Meetings

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Yolanda,

to the best of my knowledge, there is no way to do this, other than muting 
Voiceover, which he probably does not want to do. My recommendation would be 
that he just wear headphones. That will solve the problem.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 8, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:
> 
> We have a student using zoom on the mac to attend a lot of different
> online conferences. He stays muted unless he wants to speak then he
> holds down the spacebar and speaks and releases it when he is finished
> talking. The issue which arises is VO gives the announcement abouted
> being unmuted and has spoken longer than he has by the time he is
> finished.
> 
> The question is:
> Is there a way to decrease the verbosity of VO during zoom sessions so
> he can avoid the nuisance status of his microphone?
> Thanks in Advance.
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Decreasing the verbosity of VO during Zoom Meetings

[Yolanda Thompson]

We have a student using zoom on the mac to attend a lot of different
online conferences. He stays muted unless he wants to speak then he
holds down the spacebar and speaks and releases it when he is finished
talking. The issue which arises is VO gives the announcement abouted
being unmuted and has spoken longer than he has by the time he is
finished.

The question is:
Is there a way to decrease the verbosity of VO during zoom sessions so
he can avoid the nuisance status of his microphone?
Thanks in Advance.

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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I also generally get away with letting my screen reader chatter on my
Bose Q700. It's testimony to it's noise cancellation which phones have
to try and improve voice pickup and minimize environmental sounds for
any user. If there are lots of mics on the headset, the noise
cancellation can be quite excellent.

However, it doesn't always work. Some people have better hearing and
will hear that screen reader, or hear your typing as you click keys.
Some of these people won't care, but others can be very bothered by such
stuff.

Moral of the story: I prefer a headset that has mute/unmute right on the
headset in a form that confirms whether or not I'm muted. This can be
very important should you choose to go for a walk down the hall while
listening to your teleconference on your BT headset. Remember about that
Supreme Court hearing the other month in the U.S. where somebody forgot
about that part? It made national "hah hah good joke" news for a couple
days in the U.S. last month.

Best,

Janina

Simon A Fogarty writes:
> Says who?
> 
> My work colleagues couldn't hear my voiceover or jaws when using zoom with 
> out headphones.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2020 4:10 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Zoom Meetings
> 
> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
> inconsiderate.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
> > On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> > 
> > Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
> > a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
> > that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
> > to leave your hands free.
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

I wonder if it does depend on version the last time I used Xoom on my Mac with 
AirPods people could still here the speech - if I muted my  audio when not 
speaking that stopped the problem I have recently updated zoom again and 
haven’t asked people about VO but will do in my next zoom meeting  

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 22:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Brad,
> 
> Interesting.  I tested this specifically prior to posting so that I could be 
> accurate.  I used both a Mac Pro and an iMac for the Mac side, and my iPad 
> Pro on the iPadOS side.  It did work exactly as I outlined.  I’d be 
> interested to hear about the settings that would cause this behaviour to do 
> other than I’ve mentioned.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> To rebut your clarification, when using Zoom on an iOS device, it has been my 
> experience that participants can hear VoiceOver loud and clear when someone 
> is not using headphones or a headset during a Zoom meeting .   
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in 
> a Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will 
> hear your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, 
> as VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
> participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able 
> to ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime 
> call.  Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with 
> Brad in recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on 
> your Mac.  It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
> and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not 
> professional quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin  > wrote:
> 
> Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
> YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on 
> Your MAC or iOS device?
> All suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
> MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!
> 
> Blessin's 
> At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>> I don't think so.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>>> can't.
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
 headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
 inconsiderate.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>>  > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
 meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
 might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
 is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
 call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
 reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
 unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
 in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
 
 If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
 can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
 could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
 again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson   > wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
> on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
> pointing that g

Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

If you can stretch to it the AirPods Pro are fab for noise cancelation  

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 20:30, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
> YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on 
> Your MAC or iOS device?
> All suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
> MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!
> 
> Blessin's 
> At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>> I don't think so.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>>> can't.
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
 headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
 inconsiderate.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>>  > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
 meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
 might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
 is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
 call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
 reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
 unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
 in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
 
 If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
 can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
 could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
 again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson   > wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
> on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
> pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone 
> propped in a way to leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

Interestingly this is not the case with ms teams people can not hear vo but 
they can with zoom 

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 20:15, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
> can't.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>> inconsiderate.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

It is nothing to do with headphones I use zoom with AirPods and people still 
hear voiceover 

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 17:10, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
> inconsiderate.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>> to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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RE: Zoom Meetings

[Simon A Fogarty]

Says who?

My work colleagues couldn't hear my voiceover or jaws when using zoom with out 
headphones.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2020 4:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Zoom Meetings

No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a headset. 
Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just inconsiderate.

- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:

Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the meeting 
host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you might want 
that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is the issue 
that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and they say it 
is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is to mute your 
mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you want to speak - 
you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but once you have done 
this it really is a good thing.

If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can be 
offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could help 
one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if people 
want it - although we do need to navigate time zones

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on a 
> Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing that 
> gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to 
> leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

And even less when the microphone is active.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 18:06, Robin  wrote:

Yeah, that's UnderStandAble because Apple's AirPods  give its Users about 4  
Hours or 5  Hours before  they need to be Charged, Right
At 02:06 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I find that when using AirPods in a Zoom meeting, the battery runs down 
> pretty quickly, where as I can get more than 8 hours of continuous use out of 
> my Bose QC-35ii headphones.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:47, Robin   > wrote:
> 
> Okay, Thanx 4  Respondin'Again! I'll try MyBose HeadSet on a  ZoomMeetin'
> 
> I wonder if Others have used any of the Followin':
> (on a  Zoom Meetin')
> Apple's Beats PowerBeats PRO
> Apple's AirPod PROs
> Bose 700 NoiseCancelation HeadSet
> Razer Nari Ultimate Gaming Wireless HeadSet
> 
> At 12:38 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>> I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS 
>> device and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not 
>> professional quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most 
>> situations. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin >  > wrote:
>> 
>> Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
>> YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on 
>> Your MAC or iOS device?
>> All suggestions are welcome.
>> 
>> Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
>> MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!
>> 
>> Blessin's 
>> At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>>> I don't think so.
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
 can't.
 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
> inconsiderate.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray   > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. 
> There is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on 
> the call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way 
> to reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to 
> temporarily unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this 
> feature is enabled in settings but once you have done this it really is a 
> good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >  > wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
>> on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that at the ca camera is 
>> properly pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the 
>> phone propped in a way to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Robin]

Yeah, that's UnderStandAble because Apple's 
AirPods  give its Users about 4  Hours or 
5  Hours before  they need to be Charged, Right

At 02:06 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
I find that when using AirPods in a Zoom 
meeting, the battery runs down pretty quickly, 
where as I can get more than 8 hours of 
continuous use out of my Bose QC-35ii headphones.


- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:47, Robin 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:


Okay, Thanx 4  Respondin'Again! I'll try MyBose HeadSet on a  ZoomMeetin'

I wonder if Others have used any of the Followin':
(on a  Zoom Meetin')
Apple's Beats PowerBeats PRO
Apple's AirPod PROs
Bose 700 NoiseCancelation HeadSet
Razer Nari Ultimate Gaming Wireless HeadSet

At 12:38 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can 
be used on both an iOS device and a Mac and 
provides good sound quality.  The microphone is 
not professional quality, but I am told it 
sounds pretty good in most situations.


- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net > wrote:


Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be 
Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when 
Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your MAC or iOS device?

All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & 
Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to MyMessage, as 
it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!


Blessin's
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:

I don't think so.

On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder 
<wb...@swbell.net> wrote:


They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud 
<lorice...@gmail.com> wrote:


I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad 
when I use it. they say they can't.


On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder 
<wb...@swbell.net> wrote:


No matter what platform you use, you should 
always use headphones or a headset. Forcing 
others on the call to hear your screen reader is just inconsiderate.


- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray 
<julierattra...@gmail.com > wrote:


Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you 
want to do etc if you are the meeting host 
then the Mac version gives more control and 
features so you might want that - the IPAd 
or phone versions are simpler interfaces. 
There is the issue that voiceover can be 
heard but I have asked others on the call 
and they say it is not really much much of a 
problem - one way to reduce this is to mute 
your mike and then use the space bar to 
temporarily unmute when you want to speak - 
you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.


If you let us know what kinds of things you 
want to do maybe more advice can be offered 
- Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of 
practice zooms so we could help one another 
out and that was really useful - happy to do 
that again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones


On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson 
<dgcarlson0...@gmail.com > wrote:


Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is 
less cluttered on an iPhone than on a Mac. 
It’s just holding the phone so that at 
the ca camera is properly pointing that 
gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have 
the phone propped in a way to leave your hands free.

Dave Carlson
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com



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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

Interesting. Perhaps this has been addressed in a recent zoom update. I'll test 
it and let you know what I find.

- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 16:45, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Brad,

Interesting.  I tested this specifically prior to posting so that I could be 
accurate.  I used both a Mac Pro and an iMac for the Mac side, and my iPad Pro 
on the iPadOS side.  It did work exactly as I outlined.  I’d be interested to 
hear about the settings that would cause this behaviour to do other than I’ve 
mentioned.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

To rebut your clarification, when using Zoom on an iOS device, it has been my 
experience that participants can hear VoiceOver loud and clear when someone is 
not using headphones or a headset during a Zoom meeting .   

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in a 
Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will hear 
your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, as 
VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able to 
ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime call.  
Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with Brad in 
recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on your Mac. 
 It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not professional 
quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin  wrote:

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your 
MAC or iOS device?
All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!

Blessin's 
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I don't think so.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>> can't.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>> inconsiderate.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
>>> in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>>> 
>>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
>>> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
>>> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
>>> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>>> 
 On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
 
 Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
 on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
 pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped 
 in a way to leave your hands free.
 Dave Carlson
 dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Brad,

Interesting.  I tested this specifically prior to posting so that I could be 
accurate.  I used both a Mac Pro and an iMac for the Mac side, and my iPad Pro 
on the iPadOS side.  It did work exactly as I outlined.  I’d be interested to 
hear about the settings that would cause this behaviour to do other than I’ve 
mentioned.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

To rebut your clarification, when using Zoom on an iOS device, it has been my 
experience that participants can hear VoiceOver loud and clear when someone is 
not using headphones or a headset during a Zoom meeting .   

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi,

An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in a 
Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will hear 
your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, as 
VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able to 
ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime call.  
Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with Brad in 
recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on your Mac. 
 It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not professional 
quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your 
MAC or iOS device?
All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!

Blessin's 
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I don't think so.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>> can't.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>> inconsiderate.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
>>> in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>>> 
>>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
>>> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
>>> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
>>> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>>> 
 On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>>  > wrote:
 
 Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
 on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
 pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped 
 in a way to leave your hands free.
 Dave Carlson
 dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

I find that when using AirPods in a Zoom meeting, the battery runs down pretty 
quickly, where as I can get more than 8 hours of continuous use out of my Bose 
QC-35ii headphones.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:47, Robin  wrote:

Okay, Thanx 4  Respondin'Again! I'll try MyBose HeadSet on a  ZoomMeetin'

I wonder if Others have used any of the Followin':
(on a  Zoom Meetin')
Apple's Beats PowerBeats PRO
Apple's AirPod PROs
Bose 700 NoiseCancelation HeadSet
Razer Nari Ultimate Gaming Wireless HeadSet

At 12:38 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
> and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not 
> professional quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin   > wrote:
> 
> Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
> YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on 
> Your MAC or iOS device?
> All suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
> MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!
> 
> Blessin's 
> At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>> I don't think so.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>>> can't.
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
 headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
 inconsiderate.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>>  > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
 meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
 might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
 is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
 call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
 reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
 unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
 in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
 
 If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
 can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
 could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
 again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson   > wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
> on a Mac. It̢۪s just holding the phone so that the ca camera is 
> properly pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the 
> phone propped in a way to leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

To rebut your clarification, when using Zoom on an iOS device, it has been my 
experience that participants can hear VoiceOver loud and clear when someone is 
not using headphones or a headset during a Zoom meeting .   

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in a 
Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will hear 
your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, as 
VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able to 
ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime call.  
Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with Brad in 
recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on your Mac. 
 It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not professional 
quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your 
MAC or iOS device?
All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!

Blessin's 
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I don't think so.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>> can't.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>> inconsiderate.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
>>> in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>>> 
>>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
>>> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
>>> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
>>> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>>> 
 On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>>  > wrote:
 
 Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
 on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
 pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped 
 in a way to leave your hands free.
 Dave Carlson
 dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Robin]

Okay, Thanx 4  Respondin'Again! I'll try MyBose HeadSet on a  ZoomMeetin'

I wonder if Others have used any of the Followin':
(on a  Zoom Meetin')
Apple's Beats PowerBeats PRO
Apple's AirPod PROs
Bose 700 NoiseCancelation HeadSet
Razer Nari Ultimate Gaming Wireless HeadSet

At 12:38 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can 
be used on both an iOS device and a Mac and 
provides good sound quality.  The microphone is 
not professional quality, but I am told it 
sounds pretty good in most situations.


- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:


Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be 
Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when 
Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your MAC or iOS device?

All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & 
Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to MyMessage, as 
it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!


Blessin's
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:

I don't think so.

On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder 
<wb...@swbell.net> wrote:


They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud 
<lorice...@gmail.com> wrote:


I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad 
when I use it. they say they can't.


On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder 
<wb...@swbell.net> wrote:


No matter what platform you use, you should 
always use headphones or a headset. Forcing 
others on the call to hear your screen reader is just inconsiderate.


- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray 
<julierattra...@gmail.com > wrote:


Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want 
to do etc if you are the meeting host then 
the Mac version gives more control and 
features so you might want that - the IPAd or 
phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
is the issue that voiceover can be heard but 
I have asked others on the call and they say 
it is not really much much of a problem - one 
way to reduce this is to mute your mike and 
then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
when you want to speak - you need to ensure 
this feature is enabled in settings but once 
you have done this it really is a good thing.


If you let us know what kinds of things you 
want to do maybe more advice can be offered - 
Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice 
zooms so we could help one another out and 
that was really useful - happy to do that 
again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones


On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson 
<dgcarlson0...@gmail.com > wrote:


Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less 
cluttered on an iPhone than on a Mac. 
It̢۪s just holding the phone so that the 
ca camera is properly pointing that gets a 
bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the 
phone propped in a way to leave your hands free.

Dave Carlson
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com



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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I use my Beats X and they are also well received by people at the other end.

Later…


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Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:44 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in a 
Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will hear 
your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, as 
VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able to 
ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime call.  
Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with Brad in 
recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on your Mac. 
 It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not professional 
quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your 
MAC or iOS device?
All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!

Blessin's 
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I don't think so.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>> can't.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>> inconsiderate.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
>>> in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>>> 
>>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
>>> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
>>> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
>>> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>>> 
 On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>>  > wrote:
 
 Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
 on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
 pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped 
 in a way to leave your hands free.
 Dave Carlson
 dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

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Hi,

An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in a 
Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will hear 
your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, as 
VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able to 
ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime call.  
Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with Brad in 
recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on your Mac. 
 It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not professional 
quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your 
MAC or iOS device?
All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!

Blessin's 
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I don't think so.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>> can't.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>> inconsiderate.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
>>> in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>>> 
>>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
>>> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
>>> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
>>> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>>> 
 On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>>  > wrote:
 
 Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
 on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
 pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped 
 in a way to leave your hands free.
 Dave Carlson
 dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not professional 
quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin  wrote:

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your 
MAC or iOS device?
All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!

Blessin's 
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
> I don't think so.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>> can't.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>> inconsiderate.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
>>> in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>>> 
>>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
>>> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
>>> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
>>> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>>> 
 On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>>  > wrote:
 
 Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
 on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
 pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped 
 in a way to leave your hands free.
 Dave Carlson
 dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

True.  If you are just a participant, then silencing VO is not a problem.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:24, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

Yes, you are correct, as long as you are not needing VO speech to manage or 
participate in aspects of the meeting.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

The three-finger double tap can be very helpful when using Zoom on an iOS 
device.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi ET,

In my latest testing, even on iOS/iPadOS, the muting does not stop VO from 
announcing the chat messages.  I’m playing with VO settings, System settings 
and Zoom settings, and haven’t found any useful solution yet, other than 
turning off VO to turn them off.  that’a little drastic, but does the trick if 
you’re not participating in the chat or any other part that requires VO.

Still working on it though, so I’ll update if I have an epiphany.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:09 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Tim and all,
  Thanks for the feedback. Likely I will use the iPhone, and see how it goes.

  Can the chat notifications be disabled completely in settings? Then check for 
new chats manually? I may not get to testing for a while as I need to resolve a 
headache first. At least I now have a Zoom account.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/10/2020 10:46 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> oops, I lied.  Even when muting notifications on the iPad version, the chats 
> are still announced by VO.  At least, it was doing that in my latest tests.
> Later…
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>  >> wrote:
> I used my regular land line phone.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray >  > >> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>  >> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com  
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Robin]

Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be 
Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending 
a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on Your MAC or iOS device?

All suggestions are welcome.

Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & 
Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to MyMessage, as it's 
VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!


Blessin's
At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:

I don't think so.

On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder 
<wb...@swbell.net> wrote:


They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud 
<lorice...@gmail.com> wrote:


I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad 
when I use it. they say they can't.


On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder 
<wb...@swbell.net> wrote:


No matter what platform you use, you should 
always use headphones or a headset. Forcing 
others on the call to hear your screen reader is just inconsiderate.


- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray 
<julierattra...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want 
to do etc if you are the meeting host then the 
Mac version gives more control and features so 
you might want that - the IPAd or phone 
versions are simpler interfaces. There is the 
issue that voiceover can be heard but I have 
asked others on the call and they say it is 
not really much much of a problem - one way to 
reduce this is to mute your mike and then use 
the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
want to speak - you need to ensure this 
feature is enabled in settings but once you 
have done this it really is a good thing.


If you let us know what kinds of things you 
want to do maybe more advice can be offered - 
Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice 
zooms so we could help one another out and 
that was really useful - happy to do that 
again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones


On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson 
<dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> wrote:


Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less 
cluttered on an iPhone than on a Mac. It’s 
just holding the phone so that the camera is 
properly pointing that gets a bit tiresome. 
Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to leave your hands free.

Dave Carlson
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com



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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Yes, you are correct, as long as you are not needing VO speech to manage or 
participate in aspects of the meeting.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

The three-finger double tap can be very helpful when using Zoom on an iOS 
device.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi ET,

In my latest testing, even on iOS/iPadOS, the muting does not stop VO from 
announcing the chat messages.  I’m playing with VO settings, System settings 
and Zoom settings, and haven’t found any useful solution yet, other than 
turning off VO to turn them off.  that’a little drastic, but does the trick if 
you’re not participating in the chat or any other part that requires VO.

Still working on it though, so I’ll update if I have an epiphany.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:09 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Tim and all,
  Thanks for the feedback. Likely I will use the iPhone, and see how it goes.

  Can the chat notifications be disabled completely in settings? Then check for 
new chats manually? I may not get to testing for a while as I need to resolve a 
headache first. At least I now have a Zoom account.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/10/2020 10:46 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> oops, I lied.  Even when muting notifications on the iPad version, the chats 
> are still announced by VO.  At least, it was doing that in my latest tests.
> Later…
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>  >> wrote:
> I used my regular land line phone.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray >  > >> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>  >> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com  
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

Tell yourself whatever you want to believe.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:21, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I don't think so.

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
> can't.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>> inconsiderate.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

The three-finger double tap can be very helpful when using Zoom on an iOS 
device.

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi ET,

In my latest testing, even on iOS/iPadOS, the muting does not stop VO from 
announcing the chat messages.  I’m playing with VO settings, System settings 
and Zoom settings, and haven’t found any useful solution yet, other than 
turning off VO to turn them off.  that’a little drastic, but does the trick if 
you’re not participating in the chat or any other part that requires VO.

Still working on it though, so I’ll update if I have an epiphany.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:09 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Tim and all,
  Thanks for the feedback. Likely I will use the iPhone, and see how it goes.

  Can the chat notifications be disabled completely in settings? Then check for 
new chats manually? I may not get to testing for a while as I need to resolve a 
headache first. At least I now have a Zoom account.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/10/2020 10:46 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> oops, I lied.  Even when muting notifications on the iPad version, the chats 
> are still announced by VO.  At least, it was doing that in my latest tests.
> Later…
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>  >> wrote:
> I used my regular land line phone.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray >  > >> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>  >> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com  
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Lorie McCloud]

I don't think so.

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
> can't.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>> inconsiderate.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi ET,

In my latest testing, even on iOS/iPadOS, the muting does not stop VO from 
announcing the chat messages.  I’m playing with VO settings, System settings 
and Zoom settings, and haven’t found any useful solution yet, other than 
turning off VO to turn them off.  that’a little drastic, but does the trick if 
you’re not participating in the chat or any other part that requires VO.

Still working on it though, so I’ll update if I have an epiphany.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:09 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Tim and all,
  Thanks for the feedback. Likely I will use the iPhone, and see how it goes.

  Can the chat notifications be disabled completely in settings? Then check for 
new chats manually? I may not get to testing for a while as I need to resolve a 
headache first. At least I now have a Zoom account.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/10/2020 10:46 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> oops, I lied.  Even when muting notifications on the iPad version, the chats 
> are still announced by VO.  At least, it was doing that in my latest tests.
> Later…
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> I used my regular land line phone.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 

- Brad -


On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they can't.

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
> inconsiderate.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>> to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Tim and all,
   Thanks for the feedback. Likely I will use the iPhone, and see how 
it goes.


   Can the chat notifications be disabled completely in settings? Then 
check for new chats manually? I may not get to testing for a while as I 
need to resolve a headache first. At least I now have a Zoom account.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/10/2020 10:46 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

oops, I lied.  Even when muting notifications on the iPad version, the 
chats are still announced by VO.  At least, it was doing that in my 
latest tests.


Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


I used my regular land line phone.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray > wrote:


Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so 
you might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler 
interfaces. There is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have 
asked others on the call and they say it is not really much much of a 
problem - one way to reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the 
space bar to temporarily unmute when you want to speak - you need to 
ensure this feature is enabled in settings but once you have done this 
it really is a good thing.


If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more 
advice can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice 
zooms so we could help one another out and that was really useful - 
happy to do that again if people want it - although we do need to 
navigate time zones


On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson > wrote:


Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone 
than on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is 
properly pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the 
phone propped in a way to leave your hands free.

Dave Carlson
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 



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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Lorie McCloud]

I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they can't.

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
> inconsiderate.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>> to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
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Re: Zoom Meetings

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On 6/10/2020 7:38 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on a 
Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing that 
gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to leave 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

oops, I lied.  Even when muting notifications on the iPad version, the chats 
are still announced by VO.  At least, it was doing that in my latest tests.

Later…


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I used my regular land line phone.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>> to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

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I used my regular land line phone.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>> to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

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Hi,

As already mentioned, it depends on whether you’re hosting or simply 
participating in a Zoom session as to whether the Mac or iOS/iPadOS version 
suits your needs as there are more features available on the Mac version.  One 
major concern from a VO user prospective is the announcing of chat messages.  
This is mutable on iOS/iPadOS whereas I’ve been unable to mute this on the Mac. 
 I have made my Zoom rep aware of this as well as submitted Zoom feedback 
regarding this.  Hopefully, they implement something in an update soon.  I, 
like many others, use headphones as it keeps things less noisy in my house for 
the rest of the clan, and others don’t need to hear my VO chattering away.  
There are, of course, situations where we’re playing family games via Zoom or 
other meeting platforms when I don’t use headphones, but do in most all 
professional sessions.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a headset. 
Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just inconsiderate.

- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:

Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the meeting 
host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you might want 
that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is the issue 
that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and they say it 
is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is to mute your 
mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you want to speak - 
you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but once you have done 
this it really is a good thing.

If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can be 
offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could help 
one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if people 
want it - although we do need to navigate time zones

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on a 
> Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing that 
> gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to 
> leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

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No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a headset. 
Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just inconsiderate.

- Brad -

On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:

Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the meeting 
host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you might want 
that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is the issue 
that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and they say it 
is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is to mute your 
mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you want to speak - 
you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but once you have done 
this it really is a good thing.

If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can be 
offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could help 
one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if people 
want it - although we do need to navigate time zones

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on a 
> Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing that 
> gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to 
> leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
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Re: Zoom Meetings

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Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the meeting 
host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you might want 
that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is the issue 
that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and they say it 
is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is to mute your 
mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you want to speak - 
you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but once you have done 
this it really is a good thing.

If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can be 
offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could help 
one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if people 
want it - although we do need to navigate time zones

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on a 
> Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing that 
> gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to 
> leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Dave Carlson]

Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on a 
Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing that 
gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to leave 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

But on the Mac with voice over on and you are in a meeting the speech doesn’t 
stop yapping.  The only way I can get it to stop is to put Voice over in the 
chat panel menu.  Last night I was in a meeting and I tried sending messages to 
everyone, but the message kept going to individuals in the meeting.  The focus 
was dreadful.  So in case that person is on the list, I apologise for you 
getting messages.  I think it was someone called Tom.

Kawal.

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 13:48, Robert Carter  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> It depends on how you define better. The Mac app has more features and 
> whether or not you need or want those features depends on what you are doing 
> with Zoom. Both the iOS and Mac apps are fully accessible with VoiceOver.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2020, at 7:55 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Well now that there was quite a bit of discussion about Zoom that I did not 
>> follow, I may be trying it soon.
>> 
>>  Some basic questions. I will use Zoom either on the Mac or the iPhone. Has 
>> anyone found one better than the other? Any tips on using Zoom? Thanks much.
>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

It depends on how you define better. The Mac app has more features and whether 
or not you need or want those features depends on what you are doing with Zoom. 
Both the iOS and Mac apps are fully accessible with VoiceOver.

Robert Carter



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> follow, I may be trying it soon.
> 
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> anyone found one better than the other? Any tips on using Zoom? Thanks much.
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RE: Zoom Meetings

[Simon A Fogarty]

To me the phone is better than the other.

-Original Message-
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Subject: Zoom Meetings

Well now that there was quite a bit of discussion about Zoom that I did not 
follow, I may be trying it soon.

Some basic questions. I will use Zoom either on the Mac or the iPhone. Has 
anyone found one better than the other? Any tips on using Zoom? Thanks much.

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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Brad Snyder]

I use a headset with my Mac mini.  A webcam is really not necessary.

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On Jun 9, 2020, at 20:58, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

it's pretty easy to use Zoom on either one. I have a Mac moini so I don't have 
a camera or a microphone built in. if you want to participate instead of just 
listen you need those things. also I don't often have my video on but if I'm 
signed in there's a picture of me up there and that seems to satisfy most 
people.

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 7:55 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>  Some basic questions. I will use Zoom either on the Mac or the iPhone. Has 
> anyone found one better than the other? Any tips on using Zoom? Thanks much.
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Lorie McCloud]

it's pretty easy to use Zoom on either one. I have a Mac moini so I don't have 
a camera or a microphone built in. if you want to participate instead of just 
listen you need those things. also I don't often have my video on but if I'm 
signed in there's a picture of me up there and that seems to satisfy most 
people.

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 7:55 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> follow, I may be trying it soon.
> 
>   Some basic questions. I will use Zoom either on the Mac or the iPhone. Has 
> anyone found one better than the other? Any tips on using Zoom? Thanks much.
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Zoom Meetings

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Well now that there was quite a bit of discussion about Zoom that I 
did not follow, I may be trying it soon.


   Some basic questions. I will use Zoom either on the Mac or the 
iPhone. Has anyone found one better than the other? Any tips on using 
Zoom? Thanks much.


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Re: Joining Zoom meetings more efficiently from Mac using Chrome

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, if you are often going to the same meeting then you can just open the 
Zoom Application. In terms of going to the dialog, you can try vo-J or 
vo-shift-J and see if either of these go to the dialog. 
. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On May 22, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:
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> Howdy folks. Here’s a quick question, and if the answer is simple and easy, 
> I’m hoping that others can enlighten me.
> 
> Using a Mac and the Google Chrome browser, is there a more efficient way of 
> sjoining Zoom meetings when activating a link?
> 
> My current process is to press Return on the link, causing the Chrome browser 
> to open. Once this happens, I have to stop interacting with the web page, 
> then move to the pop-up, interact with it, and then VO+Right to the Open Zoom 
> button. Now, I personally don’t have any issues doing this, but in thinking 
> of being more efficient, and in showing some of my clients an easier method, 
> I’m wondering if there is a different way. For example, does Google Chrome 
> have a hot key to focus a pop-up notification. Something similar to focusing 
> other areas. In Windows, there is a hot key, Alt+Shift+A, but I haven’t been 
> able to find an equivalent
> Hot key for Mac.
> 
> In doing some research, I found that Chrome used to allow for a check box to 
> always and automatically open certain programs based on the link type, but 
> this has apparently been removed for security reasons. My goal is to make it 
> so that a Mac user who uses Chrome, can simply press Return on a Zoom link, 
> and it will open in Chrome, then automatically redirect to Zoom app and enter 
> the meeting.
> 
> Thank you, and I hope my message makes sense.
> 
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Re: Joining Zoom meetings more efficiently from Mac using Chrome

[Brad Snyder]

Hi Raul,

I don’t use Chrome on the Mac much, but my experience using Safari is similar 
when using a Zoom link to join a meeting.
I don’t think there is any way around the procedure you described.  In response 
to security concerns, Zoom enacted a number of steps on the Mac that I don’t 
believe can be circumvented.

If anyone has information to the contrary, please share.

HTH

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On May 22, 2020, at 08:47, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:

Howdy folks. Here’s a quick question, and if the answer is simple and easy, I’m 
hoping that others can enlighten me.

Using a Mac and the Google Chrome browser, is there a more efficient way of 
sjoining Zoom meetings when activating a link?

My current process is to press Return on the link, causing the Chrome browser 
to open. Once this happens, I have to stop interacting with the web page, then 
move to the pop-up, interact with it, and then VO+Right to the Open Zoom 
button. Now, I personally don’t have any issues doing this, but in thinking of 
being more efficient, and in showing some of my clients an easier method, I’m 
wondering if there is a different way. For example, does Google Chrome have a 
hot key to focus a pop-up notification. Something similar to focusing other 
areas. In Windows, there is a hot key, Alt+Shift+A, but I haven’t been able to 
find an equivalent
Hot key for Mac.

In doing some research, I found that Chrome used to allow for a check box to 
always and automatically open certain programs based on the link type, but this 
has apparently been removed for security reasons. My goal is to make it so that 
a Mac user who uses Chrome, can simply press Return on a Zoom link, and it will 
open in Chrome, then automatically redirect to Zoom app and enter the meeting.

Thank you, and I hope my message makes sense.


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Joining Zoom meetings more efficiently from Mac using Chrome

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Howdy folks. Here’s a quick question, and if the answer is simple and easy, I’m 
hoping that others can enlighten me.

Using a Mac and the Google Chrome browser, is there a more efficient way of 
sjoining Zoom meetings when activating a link?

My current process is to press Return on the link, causing the Chrome browser 
to open. Once this happens, I have to stop interacting with the web page, then 
move to the pop-up, interact with it, and then VO+Right to the Open Zoom 
button. Now, I personally don’t have any issues doing this, but in thinking of 
being more efficient, and in showing some of my clients an easier method, I’m 
wondering if there is a different way. For example, does Google Chrome have a 
hot key to focus a pop-up notification. Something similar to focusing other 
areas. In Windows, there is a hot key, Alt+Shift+A, but I haven’t been able to 
find an equivalent
 Hot key for Mac.

In doing some research, I found that Chrome used to allow for a check box to 
always and automatically open certain programs based on the link type, but this 
has apparently been removed for security reasons. My goal is to make it so that 
a Mac user who uses Chrome, can simply press Return on a Zoom link, and it will 
open in Chrome, then automatically redirect to Zoom app and enter the meeting.

Thank you, and I hope my message makes sense.


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