Re: another braille question..

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello David,

There has been for some time 6 dot computer braille. Anyone used the original 
braille n Speak saw this.

Lower case letters a - j were numbers and abbreviations like the t.h. 1 and 
4,5,6, was punctuation such as the question mark and brackets. etc. Before 8 
dot braille. I think some people call it grade 0.

Regards.

Gena
> On 14 Sep 2015, at 04:14, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Computer braille is the same as 8-dot braille. In computer braille, there is 
> a different dot pattern for each symbol. For letters, uppercase letters have 
> dot 7 added to the letter. Numbers and punctuation are different. Remember, 
> print is not contracted.
> 
> One cannot have contracted braille checked if one wishes to use computer 
> braille.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:46, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> OK, this is probably a stupid one, but is computer braille the same as 8 dot?
>> 
>> And, if I have 8 dot mode turned on, can I leave the contracted box ticked?
>> 
>> I suppose I’ll have to get used to reading in 8 dot mode if this is the same 
>> as computer braille, but honestly, so far, when I’ve tried using it, it bugs 
>> me-it’s like reading grade one!
>> 
>> Thanks for any help!
>> Caitlyn
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Re: another braille question..

[Caitlyn Furness]

thanks for the brush up on 8 dot braille, David!  I really needed it!

I know the more I use it, the more used to it I’ll get!

Cait

> On Sep 13, 2015, at 11:14 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Computer braille is the same as 8-dot braille. In computer braille, there is 
> a different dot pattern for each symbol. For letters, uppercase letters have 
> dot 7 added to the letter. Numbers and punctuation are different. Remember, 
> print is not contracted.
> 
> One cannot have contracted braille checked if one wishes to use computer 
> braille.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:46, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> OK, this is probably a stupid one, but is computer braille the same as 8 dot?
>> 
>> And, if I have 8 dot mode turned on, can I leave the contracted box ticked?
>> 
>> I suppose I’ll have to get used to reading in 8 dot mode if this is the same 
>> as computer braille, but honestly, so far, when I’ve tried using it, it bugs 
>> me-it’s like reading grade one!
>> 
>> Thanks for any help!
>> Caitlyn
>> 
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Re: another braille question..

[Caitlyn Furness]

Gina,
Thanks for this, this older 6 dot computer braille is what I was taught was 
computer braille.  The 8 dot kind is new to me.

Cait

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 5:26 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> There has been for some time 6 dot computer braille. Anyone used the original 
> braille n Speak saw this.
> 
> Lower case letters a - j were numbers and abbreviations like the t.h. 1 and 
> 4,5,6, was punctuation such as the question mark and brackets. etc. Before 8 
> dot braille. I think some people call it grade 0.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Gena
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 04:14, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Computer braille is the same as 8-dot braille. In computer braille, there is 
>> a different dot pattern for each symbol. For letters, uppercase letters have 
>> dot 7 added to the letter. Numbers and punctuation are different. Remember, 
>> print is not contracted.
>> 
>> One cannot have contracted braille checked if one wishes to use computer 
>> braille.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:46, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> OK, this is probably a stupid one, but is computer braille the same as 8 
>>> dot?
>>> 
>>> And, if I have 8 dot mode turned on, can I leave the contracted box ticked?
>>> 
>>> I suppose I’ll have to get used to reading in 8 dot mode if this is the 
>>> same as computer braille, but honestly, so far, when I’ve tried using it, 
>>> it bugs me-it’s like reading grade one!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help!
>>> Caitlyn
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Re: another braille question..

[David Chittenden]

To be specific, computer braille is 8-dot. 0 braille is a 6-dot equivalent to 
cover when 8-dot braille is not available. In the case of the old Braille 'n 
Speak, 0 braille was utilised to cover the lack of dots 7 and 8. If one 
actually looked at the ASCII, one would quickly discern that u-chord (for 
uppercase letters in the Braille 'n Speak) actually added the dot 7 to the 
lowercase letter. More specifically, it changed the ASCII code from the 
lowercase letter code to the uppercase letter code.

In print, upper and lower case letters are completely different. Braille's 6 
dots is only enough distinct dot patterns for 63 (including the space, or null 
character) symbols. ASCII requires 7 bits, not 6 bits, for 127 distinct 
characters. 8-dot braille provides ASCII 255 8-bit symbology. This covers 
alphanumeric characters, punctuations, charage returns, line feeds, and other 
symbols, as well as specialised control characters in the higher 8-bit (8-dot) 
ASCII control lexicon. Ascii character sets in the 127 to 255 bit set include 
many control characters as well as accented characters and such. Therefore, 
0-braille utilising 6-dot has always been merely an approximation for systems 
which could not facilitate 8-dot braille entry.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 14 Sep 2015, at 21:26, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> There has been for some time 6 dot computer braille. Anyone used the original 
> braille n Speak saw this.
> 
> Lower case letters a - j were numbers and abbreviations like the t.h. 1 and 
> 4,5,6, was punctuation such as the question mark and brackets. etc. Before 8 
> dot braille. I think some people call it grade 0.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Gena
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 04:14, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Computer braille is the same as 8-dot braille. In computer braille, there is 
>> a different dot pattern for each symbol. For letters, uppercase letters have 
>> dot 7 added to the letter. Numbers and punctuation are different. Remember, 
>> print is not contracted.
>> 
>> One cannot have contracted braille checked if one wishes to use computer 
>> braille.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:46, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> OK, this is probably a stupid one, but is computer braille the same as 8 
>>> dot?
>>> 
>>> And, if I have 8 dot mode turned on, can I leave the contracted box ticked?
>>> 
>>> I suppose I’ll have to get used to reading in 8 dot mode if this is the 
>>> same as computer braille, but honestly, so far, when I’ve tried using it, 
>>> it bugs me-it’s like reading grade one!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help!
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
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another braille question..

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
OK, this is probably a stupid one, but is computer braille the same as 8 dot?

And, if I have 8 dot mode turned on, can I leave the contracted box ticked?

I suppose I’ll have to get used to reading in 8 dot mode if this is the same as 
computer braille, but honestly, so far, when I’ve tried using it, it bugs 
me-it’s like reading grade one!

Thanks for any help!
Caitlyn

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Re: another braille question..

[David Chittenden]

Computer braille is the same as 8-dot braille. In computer braille, there is a 
different dot pattern for each symbol. For letters, uppercase letters have dot 
7 added to the letter. Numbers and punctuation are different. Remember, print 
is not contracted.

One cannot have contracted braille checked if one wishes to use computer 
braille.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:46, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> OK, this is probably a stupid one, but is computer braille the same as 8 dot?
> 
> And, if I have 8 dot mode turned on, can I leave the contracted box ticked?
> 
> I suppose I’ll have to get used to reading in 8 dot mode if this is the same 
> as computer braille, but honestly, so far, when I’ve tried using it, it bugs 
> me-it’s like reading grade one!
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> Caitlyn
> 
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Another Braille Question

[Desi Noller]

Good Morning!

Is there a way, using the Mac, to save .txt, .doc, or any other file type as 
.brf files for use on my iOS devices with my Braille Display?  Now that .brf 
files can be imported into the BARD App, I have a number of files I could use 
that way if I could save them as .brf files.  Any help with this would be 
greatly appreciated!

Desi



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Re: Another Braille Question

[Chris Moore]

How about renaming the files from .txt to .brf
Chris
On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good Morning!
 
 Is there a way, using the Mac, to save .txt, .doc, or any other file type as 
 .brf files for use on my iOS devices with my Braille Display?  Now that .brf 
 files can be imported into the BARD App, I have a number of files I could use 
 that way if I could save them as .brf files.  Any help with this would be 
 greatly appreciated!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
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Re: Another Braille Question

[Desi Noller]

Hi Chris,

I don't mean to be totally dim here, but then are you saying that renaming a 
file is the same as saving the file as?  Have you done this successfully?  If 
so, then I truly thank you for the tip!  No matter how long I'm at this 
technology game, I will continue to be baffled on a regular basis!  I didn't 
think that simply putting a new extension on a file would ascribe to it the 
characteristics of that file type.  Since BRF stands for Braille Ready Format, 
doesn't the document have to be translated into Braille before it can truly be 
a .brf file?  Thanks to anyone for any clarification on this!  This is a great 
list, and I really do appreciate your help!

Desi



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 How about renaming the files from .txt to .brf
 Chris
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Good Morning!
 
 Is there a way, using the Mac, to save .txt, .doc, or any other file type as 
 .brf files for use on my iOS devices with my Braille Display?  Now that .brf 
 files can be imported into the BARD App, I have a number of files I could 
 use that way if I could save them as .brf files.  Any help with this would 
 be greatly appreciated!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
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Re: Another Braille Question

[Richard Ring]

Yes, a .brf file must be translated into contracted or uncontracted Braille. 
Giving an .mp3 extension to a text file will not make the file an .mp3 file.  
Braille translation software must be used in order to create Braille files!


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On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Chris,
 
 I don't mean to be totally dim here, but then are you saying that renaming a 
 file is the same as saving the file as?  Have you done this successfully?  If 
 so, then I truly thank you for the tip!  No matter how long I'm at this 
 technology game, I will continue to be baffled on a regular basis!  I didn't 
 think that simply putting a new extension on a file would ascribe to it the 
 characteristics of that file type.  Since BRF stands for Braille Ready 
 Format, doesn't the document have to be translated into Braille before it can 
 truly be a .brf file?  Thanks to anyone for any clarification on this!  This 
 is a great list, and I really do appreciate your help!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How about renaming the files from .txt to .brf
 Chris
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Good Morning!
 
 Is there a way, using the Mac, to save .txt, .doc, or any other file type 
 as .brf files for use on my iOS devices with my Braille Display?  Now that 
 .brf files can be imported into the BARD App, I have a number of files I 
 could use that way if I could save them as .brf files.  Any help with this 
 would be greatly appreciated!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
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Re: Another Braille Question

[Desi Noller]

Thank you so much!  This is exactly what I was thinking.  So, is there Braille 
translation software for the Mac?  Again thanks so much!

Desi



On Sep 24, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, a .brf file must be translated into contracted or uncontracted Braille. 
 Giving an .mp3 extension to a text file will not make the file an .mp3 file.  
 Braille translation software must be used in order to create Braille files!
 
 
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  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
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 On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Chris,
 
 I don't mean to be totally dim here, but then are you saying that renaming a 
 file is the same as saving the file as?  Have you done this successfully?  
 If so, then I truly thank you for the tip!  No matter how long I'm at this 
 technology game, I will continue to be baffled on a regular basis!  I didn't 
 think that simply putting a new extension on a file would ascribe to it the 
 characteristics of that file type.  Since BRF stands for Braille Ready 
 Format, doesn't the document have to be translated into Braille before it 
 can truly be a .brf file?  Thanks to anyone for any clarification on this!  
 This is a great list, and I really do appreciate your help!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How about renaming the files from .txt to .brf
 Chris
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Good Morning!
 
 Is there a way, using the Mac, to save .txt, .doc, or any other file type 
 as .brf files for use on my iOS devices with my Braille Display?  Now that 
 .brf files can be imported into the BARD App, I have a number of files I 
 could use that way if I could save them as .brf files.  Any help with this 
 would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Re: Another Braille Question

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
I realize what I'm about to say may not address your particular issue, but I 
just discovered something about my braille Edge  40. I know that some of you 
guys have one of these things, and maybe you knew this and I didn't. I just 
discovered that you can type grade 2 braille into a text file on a Braille edge 
40 these days. I thought for sure that I was going to need a copy of Duxberry 
when it came out, and maybe eventually I will, but discovering this may 
postpone it for a while.

Sincerely,
Gigi Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes, a .brf file must be translated into contracted or uncontracted Braille. 
 Giving an .mp3 extension to a text file will not make the file an .mp3 file.  
 Braille translation software must be used in order to create Braille files!
 
 
 You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
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 On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Chris,
 
 I don't mean to be totally dim here, but then are you saying that renaming a 
 file is the same as saving the file as?  Have you done this successfully?  
 If so, then I truly thank you for the tip!  No matter how long I'm at this 
 technology game, I will continue to be baffled on a regular basis!  I didn't 
 think that simply putting a new extension on a file would ascribe to it the 
 characteristics of that file type.  Since BRF stands for Braille Ready 
 Format, doesn't the document have to be translated into Braille before it 
 can truly be a .brf file?  Thanks to anyone for any clarification on this!  
 This is a great list, and I really do appreciate your help!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How about renaming the files from .txt to .brf
 Chris
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Desi Noller desi.nol...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Good Morning!
 
 Is there a way, using the Mac, to save .txt, .doc, or any other file type 
 as .brf files for use on my iOS devices with my Braille Display?  Now that 
 .brf files can be imported into the BARD App, I have a number of files I 
 could use that way if I could save them as .brf files.  Any help with this 
 would be greatly appreciated!
 
 Desi
 
 
 
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Another braille question.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

I have another braille question but this time it may be a  little complicated.

Some days ago I looked up some information on Safari as I have no computer at 
the mo at home.

The information was in a block and there was no edit field. I wanted to copy 
the information but I could not select it due to no edit field. So, how can one 
copy information if its in a block in Safari if you have it on your IOS device 
rather than a Mac or PC? I was using my braille display at the time.

Thanks and have a wonderful day or evening.

Kawal.

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Re: Another braille question.

[Alex Hall]

I haven't tried this, but did rotoring to lines and then pressing space-2-5-6 
not work? Doing this should select forward, so start at the top and press it to 
select one line (or whatever rotor item is selected) at a time. Once your 
selection is in place, press space-c to copy it.
On Dec 27, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 Hello.
 
 I have another braille question but this time it may be a  little complicated.
 
 Some days ago I looked up some information on Safari as I have no computer at 
 the mo at home.
 
 The information was in a block and there was no edit field. I wanted to copy 
 the information but I could not select it due to no edit field. So, how can 
 one copy information if its in a block in Safari if you have it on your IOS 
 device rather than a Mac or PC? I was using my braille display at the time.
 
 Thanks and have a wonderful day or evening.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: Another braille question.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

It didn't work.

On 27 Dec 2012, at 10:23 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 I haven't tried this, but did rotoring to lines and then pressing space-2-5-6 
 not work? Doing this should select forward, so start at the top and press it 
 to select one line (or whatever rotor item is selected) at a time. Once your 
 selection is in place, press space-c to copy it.
 On Dec 27, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hello.
 
 I have another braille question but this time it may be a  little 
 complicated.
 
 Some days ago I looked up some information on Safari as I have no computer 
 at the mo at home.
 
 The information was in a block and there was no edit field. I wanted to copy 
 the information but I could not select it due to no edit field. So, how can 
 one copy information if its in a block in Safari if you have it on your IOS 
 device rather than a Mac or PC? I was using my braille display at the time.
 
 Thanks and have a wonderful day or evening.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: Another Braille question was Question for all the braille users who read braille using their macs and braille displays.

[Lisette Wesseling]

I have had this problem when trying to assign close window to a track pad 
gesture. So I don't think it's a braille display issue, but something about 
this close window mode which is different from pressing command w which 
always works. I don't know what close window mode is and why assigning a 
gesture to close a window doesn't work either.

Lisette

On 22/09/2012, at 12:37 PM, Barry Abbott bpabbo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am using a Focus 40BT  and I  assign a close Window command to 
 chord-12456 but whenever I go to use it I get an error that the close window 
 command is not available in this mode press escape to exit.
 
 I have looked at all the preset commands and those I have created myself so 
 is there something I am missing?
 
 Is there a way to  map the keys E.G. command+W to the display as apposed to 
 assigning the command in the Braille display commands? 
 
 
 I use this command in mail after reading a single or group of messages. Would 
 like to get away from the computer and relax on the sofa.
 
 Any ideas would be appreciated.
 
 Thanks, Barry
 
 
 On 2012-09-21, at 8:02 PM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 1. Go to VO utility
 2. Select Braille in utility category.
 3. Select displays tab (2 of 2) first is layout.
 4. Press assign commands 
 5. Press add
 6. YOu added a new row with unassigned and to the right a commands menu. 
 Activate it. 
 7. In commands menu choose braille and press right errol to open submenu and 
 find the toggle dots 78 for cursor and select it.
 8. GO to assign button and press it you will hear beeps and you can press 
 desired Braille keys to assign for this command.
 
 hth,
 
 Ioana
 
 
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
 stores.
 
 On Sep 21, 2012, at 6:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 Oh yes please for details.
 On 21 Sep 2012, at 23:26, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I actually added a command for toggling the show and hide cursor option to 
 enable when editing. Let me know if yoou need more details.
 
 
 hth,
 
 Ioana
 
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
 stores.
 
 On Sep 20, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Chantelle Griffiths 
 chantelle.griffi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kawal, 
 
 I know exactly what you mean and I found a solution. 
 
 If you go into VoiceOver Utility, under the Braille category, there is a 
 checkbox labeled Use dots 7 and 8 to indicate cursor. I turned that 
 option off and it gave me normal six dot braille. However, that means you 
 no longer see an edit cursor, for example, when editing a document. 
 
 Hope that helps. 
 
 Cheers,
 Chantelle 
 
 
 
 
 On 21/09/2012, at 7:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
 
 If this does not concern you then please delete.
 
 Now, I have my braille display connected to the Mac which is rare as the 
 braille display is mostly connected to an I phone.  However, I notice 
 that all the braille is underlined and I'd like to know, how to make 
 this go away?  I just want plain braille please.
 
 Kawal.
 
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