Re: an observation: nuance voices on os x being rather sluggish?

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Anouk,

I can confirm sluggishness on my macbook air late 2010 with 4 GB RAM in OS 
Sierra.  It's peculiar.  Maybe I shall go back to El Capitan as my macbook air 
may be too old for this new operating system.
> On 25 Sep 2016, at 20:32, Anouk Radix  wrote:
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> Hi Everyone, I started using Lee and Xander on the mac today (nuance voices) 
> but I find them more sluggish then alex. Also the command to change speech 
> parameters (thansk for that info John) is really sluggish as  well.
> With sluggish i dont mean just needing a higher rate to get at the seem speed 
> as Alex but also reaction time to commands… I dont notice this on ios…
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: an observation: nuance voices on os x being rather sluggish?

[Blee Blat]

It's a problem here as well. Even the compact voices can be slow to respond. 

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Re: an observation: nuance voices on os x being rather sluggish?

[Alex Hall]

I've seen this as well, for a few years. I report it every beta cycle, but it 
hasn't been addressed so far. I was starting to wonder if it wasn't just my 
machine.
> On Sep 25, 2016, at 15:32, Anouk Radix  wrote:
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> Hi Everyone, I started using Lee and Xander on the mac today (nuance voices) 
> but I find them more sluggish then alex. Also the command to change speech 
> parameters (thansk for that info John) is really sluggish as  well.
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an observation: nuance voices on os x being rather sluggish?

[Anouk Radix]

Hi Everyone, I started using Lee and Xander on the mac today (nuance voices) 
but I find them more sluggish then alex. Also the command to change speech 
parameters (thansk for that info John) is really sluggish as  well.
With sluggish i dont mean just needing a higher rate to get at the seem speed 
as Alex but also reaction time to commands… I dont notice this on ios…
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: Infovox iVox adds genuine children's voices to OS X

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Traci. In the VO utility, go to verbosity and select the text tab. You 
should be able to find settings that let you change how it reads capital 
letters and deleting text. In those pop up buttons, your choices are change 
pitch, play a tone, or do nothing. HTH.

Shawn
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Re: Infovox iVox adds genuine children's voices to OS X

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Besides, the chipmunk glitch with the Nuance voices in Mountain Lion has been 
fixed. Now, it just sounds like a chipmunk when it comes across data detectors 
or if you have it set to do a pitch change for capital letters. They sound like 
a giant when you go to an edit field or again, if you have the voices set to do 
a pitch change when you perform a backspace. For me, I have it set to beep when 
reading a capital letter and do nothing when backspacing. I wish they would 
implement the use pitch change feature for everything else like in iOS because 
the data detector stuff and edit fields pitch changes are annoying, especially 
with Alex. And anyway, I can't use the Nuance voices because for some reason 
they crash Chromevox and I have to change to a voice other than Nuance and 
restart the entire Mac to get speech back.

Shawn
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Re: Infovox iVox adds genuine children's voices to OS X

[Traci]

Hey, thanks for the info on the bug.  I din't know about making those changes.  
Where do I find the setting for back spacing? 

Yes, I dislike the data detector thing.

Lol, right now, I'm trying out the voice Micah.  *Grin,* I think he is 
southern, he is cracking me up, and I like him.  My Dad is Texan, so it is 
making me laugh even more.

Traci
Sent by Macbook Air Mail

On Nov 7, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:

 Besides, the chipmunk glitch with the Nuance voices in Mountain Lion has been 
 fixed. Now, it just sounds like a chipmunk when it comes across data 
 detectors or if you have it set to do a pitch change for capital letters. 
 They sound like a giant when you go to an edit field or again, if you have 
 the voices set to do a pitch change when you perform a backspace. For me, I 
 have it set to beep when reading a capital letter and do nothing when 
 backspacing. I wish they would implement the use pitch change feature for 
 everything else like in iOS because the data detector stuff and edit fields 
 pitch changes are annoying, especially with Alex. And anyway, I can't use the 
 Nuance voices because for some reason they crash Chromevox and I have to 
 change to a voice other than Nuance and restart the entire Mac to get speech 
 back.
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my white Mac Book
 
 
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Re: [Maccessibility] Infovox iVox adds genuine children’s voices to OS X

[Maria Joe Chapman]

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 genuine, natural-sounding children’s voices to Mac OS X. In addition, the 
 update adds three new male voices. These voices work with any Mac 
 application, including Apple’s VoiceOver, TextEdit, Preview, Safari, Adobe’s 
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RE: [Maccessibility] Infovox iVox adds genuine children's voices to OS X

[Missy Hoppe]

I'd like to know this information as well! I just recently checked for an 
infovox update, and there weren't any new
voices listed.

  _  

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Where do I get these, and how much are they?
 
Chris.
 

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Amsterdam, November 5, 2012 - Today AssistiveWareR and Acapela Group announced 
the release of Infovox iVox 3.1, which brings
the first four genuine, natural-sounding children's voices to Mac OS X. In 
addition, the update adds three new male voices.
These voices work with any Mac application, including Apple's VoiceOver, 
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Re: [Maccessibility] Infovox iVox adds genuine children's voices to OS X

[Teresa Cochran]

http://www.assistiveware.com/infovox-ivox-31-released

HtH,
Teresa

On Nov 5, 2012, at 7:13 AM, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd like to know this information as well! I just recently checked for an 
 infovox update, and there weren't any new voices listed.
 
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 Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 9:59 AM
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 Subject: Re: [Maccessibility] Infovox iVox adds genuine children’s voices to 
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 Where do I get these, and how much are they?
  
 Chris.
  
 
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Re: Infovox iVox adds genuine children's voices to OS X

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Hi All,

You can find samples of the new voices at the Assistiveware Infovox
product page for demoing voices:
http://www.assistiveware.com/product/infovox-ivox/voices

The fastest way to navigate to the links for the new child voices is
to use item chooser (VO-I) and type in boy or girl. Alternatively,
you can navigate to English - American English and find the new
voices for Josh (boy) and Ella (girl), and then navigate to
English - British English and find Rosie (girl) and Harry
(boy).  Just VO-Space on the links to play the samples.

HTH.  Cheers,

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[Maccessibility] Infovox iVox adds genuine children’s voices to OS X

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  Amsterdam, November 5, 2012  Today AssistiveWare® and Acapela Group announced the release of Infovox iVox 3.1, which brings the first four genuine, natural-sounding children’s voices to Mac OS X. In addition, the update adds three new male voices. These voices work with any Mac application, including Apple’s VoiceOver, TextEdit, Preview, Safari, Adobe’s [...]

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Re: Infovox iVox adds genuine children's voices to OS X

[Esther]

Hi All,

Just to add to the previous post, you can also hear samples of the new
U.S. Micah voice and the new Australian Tyler voice if you navigate
through the other entries at the Infovox sample voices page. However,
the background for developing more children's voice offerings that
appear in this version 3.1 Infovox release is Assistiveware's work
with providing voices for autistic children and other children with
speech disabilities. This is another instance where iOS devices and
apps have provided more portable and far more affordable solutions to
individuals with disabilities.  Here are the (shortened) links to the
earlier development page (that includes other links to the voices with
different speech samples):
• A groundbreaking project: two authentic British children's voices
http://bitly.com/L0gk9t
• A groundbreaking project part two: two authentic American children's
voices
http://bitly.com/Omwpt4

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Nov 5, 5:27 am, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 You can find samples of the new voices at the Assistiveware Infovox
 product page for demoing 
 voices:http://www.assistiveware.com/product/infovox-ivox/voices

 The fastest way to navigate to the links for the new child voices is
 to use item chooser (VO-I) and type in boy or girl. Alternatively,
 you can navigate to English - American English and find the new
 voices for Josh (boy) and Ella (girl), and then navigate to
 English - British English and find Rosie (girl) and Harry
 (boy).  Just VO-Space on the links to play the samples.

 HTH.  Cheers,

 Esther

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Re: Infovox iVox adds genuine children's voices to OS X

[Traci]

Wow, I found the new children's voices very impressive!

What are people's experiences using Infovox iVox for Mac?  Is it more or less 
responsive?  Does it have the weird chipmunk bug?  :) You know, Samantha on the 
Mac, sometimes sounds like a chipmunk.

Thanks, I'm quite interested.

Traci
Sent by Macbook Air Mail

On Nov 5, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 Just to add to the previous post, you can also hear samples of the new
 U.S. Micah voice and the new Australian Tyler voice if you navigate
 through the other entries at the Infovox sample voices page. However,
 the background for developing more children's voice offerings that
 appear in this version 3.1 Infovox release is Assistiveware's work
 with providing voices for autistic children and other children with
 speech disabilities. This is another instance where iOS devices and
 apps have provided more portable and far more affordable solutions to
 individuals with disabilities.  Here are the (shortened) links to the
 earlier development page (that includes other links to the voices with
 different speech samples):
 • A groundbreaking project: two authentic British children's voices
 http://bitly.com/L0gk9t
 • A groundbreaking project part two: two authentic American children's
 voices
 http://bitly.com/Omwpt4
 
 HTH. Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Nov 5, 5:27 am, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 You can find samples of the new voices at the Assistiveware Infovox
 product page for demoing 
 voices:http://www.assistiveware.com/product/infovox-ivox/voices
 
 The fastest way to navigate to the links for the new child voices is
 to use item chooser (VO-I) and type in boy or girl. Alternatively,
 you can navigate to English - American English and find the new
 voices for Josh (boy) and Ella (girl), and then navigate to
 English - British English and find Rosie (girl) and Harry
 (boy).  Just VO-Space on the links to play the samples.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
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Re: Infovox iVox adds genuine children's voices to OS X

[Cheryl Homiak]

I haven't had the chipmunk bug. I use Heather and Ryan constantly and really 
like them. I've also used some of the Spanish and British voices. In fact, I 
almost never use any of the Apple voices; even have the login screen set up for 
an infovox voice.


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and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
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On Nov 5, 2012, at 1:40 PM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow, I found the new children's voices very impressive!
 
 What are people's experiences using Infovox iVox for Mac?  Is it more or less 
 responsive?  Does it have the weird chipmunk bug?  :) You know, Samantha on 
 the Mac, sometimes sounds like a chipmunk.
 
 Thanks, I'm quite interested.
 
 Traci
 Sent by Macbook Air Mail
 
 On Nov 5, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 Just to add to the previous post, you can also hear samples of the new
 U.S. Micah voice and the new Australian Tyler voice if you navigate
 through the other entries at the Infovox sample voices page. However,
 the background for developing more children's voice offerings that
 appear in this version 3.1 Infovox release is Assistiveware's work
 with providing voices for autistic children and other children with
 speech disabilities. This is another instance where iOS devices and
 apps have provided more portable and far more affordable solutions to
 individuals with disabilities.  Here are the (shortened) links to the
 earlier development page (that includes other links to the voices with
 different speech samples):
 • A groundbreaking project: two authentic British children's voices
 http://bitly.com/L0gk9t
 • A groundbreaking project part two: two authentic American children's
 voices
 http://bitly.com/Omwpt4
 
 HTH. Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Nov 5, 5:27 am, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 You can find samples of the new voices at the Assistiveware Infovox
 product page for demoing 
 voices:http://www.assistiveware.com/product/infovox-ivox/voices
 
 The fastest way to navigate to the links for the new child voices is
 to use item chooser (VO-I) and type in boy or girl. Alternatively,
 you can navigate to English - American English and find the new
 voices for Josh (boy) and Ella (girl), and then navigate to
 English - British English and find Rosie (girl) and Harry
 (boy).  Just VO-Space on the links to play the samples.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
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Re: voices on os x

[william lomas]

hi all i just hope then that voices from i vox are now available for  
previously unsupported languages like japanese, chinese, etc

On 24 Aug 2009, at 23:39, James  Nash wrote:


 David I agree with you  and Scott. Apple have done a fantastic job  
 with VO
 and I have not said otherwise. The quality of the third party voices  
 such as
 the ones you provide David are much better and yes of course i would  
 rather
 use those than the voices I've heard on the IPhone. However, the  
 reason I
 mention the IPhone voices is that if Voice Over continues as it has in
 Leopard - only speaking in English - then non-native English  
 speakers who do
 not feel comfortable enough with English to install or work with  
 their OS in
 may not be able to afford the superb quality of DAvid's voices for  
 some
 time. That was my only point, although I did not express it clearly  
 enough
 and for that I apologize.

 Take care all and I'm sorry for any offense I caused.
 - Original Message -
 From: David Niemeijer li...@assistiveware.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:19 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x



 Hi,

 I notice a lot people are complaining that Apple did not include the
 voices they now include with the iPhone 3Gs also in Snow Leopard.
 There may be a lot of reasons why they have not done that. I am not
 sure it is fair to say it is ridiculous of Apple without knowing the
 reasons behind it. Maybe the company they are licensing those voice
 from for the iPhone 3Gs is asking a ridiculously high amount per copy
 of Snow Leopard Apple will sell. Snow Leopard is sold much cheaper
 than most updates yet has been worked on for two years by a large  
 team
 of engineers. I think that is nothing to sneeze at. Also, while  
 people
 accept the lower quality of those voices for a mobile device, would
 the majority of Mac users accept it for Mac OS X on a desktop  
 machine?
 Furthermore, do those voices support all the features needed for
 Speech Manager compatibility, or would that first require years of
 work? And, what about the third party voices? For Mac OS X there are
 multiple third party voices available for a wide range of languages.
 Should Apple just kill that business and possibly stifle innovation  
 on
 the Mac platform in the voice area because voices in multiple
 languages already come free with the OS. For third parties it is hard
 to compete with free stuff, even if the third party stuff is of  
 better
 quality. I know it would be bad for our business, but in the long  
 run,
 it might actually also be bad for end-users. Things are not simply
 black or white.

 Anyway, I think there may be plenty of reasons for Apple's decision
 that we as outsiders do not know about. Some of those reasons you and
 I might consider good others we might consider bad, but I personally
 do not think we know enough about the issues involved to call it
 ridiculous, especially after all Apple has been doing these last
 couple of years in the accessibility area.

 Cheers,

 david.

 On Aug 24, 2009, at 9:04 PM, James  Nash wrote:
 The voices from Acapella are great but it's rediculous that Apple  
 keep
 avoiding the answer on whether or not they will ever include other
 language
 voices as they do in the IPhone. If they can do it in the IPhone
 they can do
 so in Mac OS X 10.6 +. This is especiallly true considering that
 they are
 based in California whre are large percentage of the population are
 Spanish
 speaking. The same is true for Braille.





 


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Re: voices on os x

[David Niemeijer]

On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:39 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 use those than the voices I've heard on the IPhone. However, the  
 reason I
 mention the IPhone voices is that if Voice Over continues as it has in
 Leopard - only speaking in English - then non-native English  
 speakers who do
 not feel comfortable enough with English to install or work with  
 their OS in
 may not be able to afford the superb quality of DAvid's voices for  
 some
 time. That was my only point, although I did not express it clearly  
 enough

Ok, I think we agree. Yes, I agree that for non-English speakers it  
would be practical if Mac OS X included voices for their own language  
by default. However, as Scott pointed out, space on the DVD alone  
would already preclude all such voices to be high quality. All Infovox  
iVox voices together already pretty much fill up a dual layer DVD so  
there would be little space left for the OS :-)

I also want to take this opportunity to point out that Apple does work  
with us and Acapela to ensure good compatibility of VoiceOver with the  
Infovox iVox voices (and visa versa) and foreign languages so Apple  
certainly cares about giving non-English users access to a good VO  
experience.

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Re: voices on os x

[David Niemeijer]

Will,

On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:36 AM, william lomas wrote:
 hi all i just hope then that voices from i vox are now available for
 previously unsupported languages like japanese, chinese, etc

Making a new voice is many months of work, making a voice for a new  
language easily takes a year. So before someone says that it is  
ridiculous that there are no Infovox iVox yet for Asian languages  
(yes, I know, you did not say that), I thought I would make you aware  
of the fact that new voices and new languages take a lot of time.  
While iVox 2.0 will include new languages and voices it does not  
include Asian languages yet.

david

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Re: voices on os x

[william lomas]

are chinese voices do you know beeing worked on? i am learning chinese  
so would like a voice to help me read articles etc

On 25 Aug 2009, at 08:32, David Niemeijer wrote:


 Will,

 On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:36 AM, william lomas wrote:
 hi all i just hope then that voices from i vox are now available for
 previously unsupported languages like japanese, chinese, etc

 Making a new voice is many months of work, making a voice for a new
 language easily takes a year. So before someone says that it is
 ridiculous that there are no Infovox iVox yet for Asian languages
 (yes, I know, you did not say that), I thought I would make you aware
 of the fact that new voices and new languages take a lot of time.
 While iVox 2.0 will include new languages and voices it does not
 include Asian languages yet.

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Re: voices on os x

[Simon Cavendish]

Snow Leopard is supposed to be localised in Chinese and Japanese  
unless I've read it wrong.
On 25 Aug 2009, at 08:32, David Niemeijer wrote:


 Will,

 On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:36 AM, william lomas wrote:
 hi all i just hope then that voices from i vox are now available for
 previously unsupported languages like japanese, chinese, etc

 Making a new voice is many months of work, making a voice for a new
 language easily takes a year. So before someone says that it is
 ridiculous that there are no Infovox iVox yet for Asian languages
 (yes, I know, you did not say that), I thought I would make you aware
 of the fact that new voices and new languages take a lot of time.
 While iVox 2.0 will include new languages and voices it does not
 include Asian languages yet.

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Re: voices on os x

[william lomas]

the OS itself is in chinese always has been but not sure about voice  
over i don't htink that is

On 25 Aug 2009, at 09:47, Simon Cavendish wrote:


 Snow Leopard is supposed to be localised in Chinese and Japanese
 unless I've read it wrong.
 On 25 Aug 2009, at 08:32, David Niemeijer wrote:


 Will,

 On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:36 AM, william lomas wrote:
 hi all i just hope then that voices from i vox are now available for
 previously unsupported languages like japanese, chinese, etc

 Making a new voice is many months of work, making a voice for a new
 language easily takes a year. So before someone says that it is
 ridiculous that there are no Infovox iVox yet for Asian languages
 (yes, I know, you did not say that), I thought I would make you aware
 of the fact that new voices and new languages take a lot of time.
 While iVox 2.0 will include new languages and voices it does not
 include Asian languages yet.

 david




 


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Re: voices on os x

[David Niemeijer]

Will,

On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:38 AM, william lomas wrote:
 are chinese voices do you know beeing worked on? i am learning chinese
 so would like a voice to help me read articles etc

Is there any language you are not learning :-)

I cannot provide information on Acapela Group's unannounced voices or  
products. Most company consider the future products they are working  
on as confidential business information.

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Re: voices on os x

[Justin Harford]

Hello all
On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:29 AM, David Niemeijer wrote:

 as Scott pointed out, space on the DVD alone
 would already preclude all such voices to be high quality. All Infovox
 iVox voices together already pretty much fill up a dual layer DVD so
 there would be little space left for the OS :-)

No one is saying they should be high quality.  The iPhone voices would  
suffice.  The iPhone not only has a large number of different language  
voices, but a decent supply of regional voices within those languages  
as well.  It seems like they would have been a bit more stingy if they  
took up so much space.

I guess the point was mainly that at this point, the apple out-of-the- 
box solution for blind users is only available to those who speak  
English comfortably, and who have enough money to fork over for high  
quality acapella voices.  And what of the rest of the people out  
there?  Well they are out of luck for the time being.

 I also want to take this opportunity to point out that Apple does work
 with us and Acapela to ensure good compatibility of VoiceOver with the
 Infovox iVox voices (and visa versa) and foreign languages so Apple
 certainly cares about giving non-English users access to a good VO
 experience.

It just doesn't care about giving them the ability to independently  
install the operating system and manage their bios as it does with the  
rest of its user base.

But since you put it that way, all of us speak English pretty well.  I  
know for me this is quite inconsequential because English is my first  
language and I had the money to pay for Spanish voices for my academic  
work.  It just seemed like not that much to ask for since it's been  
something that is just offered with other solutions.  When I  
downloaded NVDA for my Mexican friend's computer, and started the  
installer, it automatically came up speaking in Spanish.  Linux gives  
similar support.  But of course they both use espeak which is not a  
high quality set of voices.  Quite honestly this thing about high  
quality has only come up since the days of Leopard and Alex.  I used  
to use Fred, which worked just fine before apple broke it, but truly,  
if it is a choice between having low-quality language support vs no  
language support whatsoever, I would have to go with the former.

Regards
Justin Harford

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Re: voices on os x

[a radix]

I agree wit James and Nash (not for myself but others out there that might 
be a potential market) and they would not have to be high quality voices, i 
mean it would already just be a help if you could do basic stuff with them 
and if you wanted high quality you could get ivox or whatever other 
commercial altenratives are available. I mysel fuse hal for windows for 
example and it comes with a built-in speech engine called orpheus, now I 
dont call that exactly high quality but it is fast and gets the job done.
Greetings, Anouk,
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: voices on os x




 On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:39 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 use those than the voices I've heard on the IPhone. However, the
 reason I
 mention the IPhone voices is that if Voice Over continues as it has in
 Leopard - only speaking in English - then non-native English
 speakers who do
 not feel comfortable enough with English to install or work with
 their OS in
 may not be able to afford the superb quality of DAvid's voices for
 some
 time. That was my only point, although I did not express it clearly
 enough

 Ok, I think we agree. Yes, I agree that for non-English speakers it
 would be practical if Mac OS X included voices for their own language
 by default. However, as Scott pointed out, space on the DVD alone
 would already preclude all such voices to be high quality. All Infovox
 iVox voices together already pretty much fill up a dual layer DVD so
 there would be little space left for the OS :-)

 I also want to take this opportunity to point out that Apple does work
 with us and Acapela to ensure good compatibility of VoiceOver with the
 Infovox iVox voices (and visa versa) and foreign languages so Apple
 certainly cares about giving non-English users access to a good VO
 experience.

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Re: voices on os x

[Chantel Cuddemi]

What new mac?
On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:


 whitch voices will work with the new mac?

 On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:19 PM, David Niemeijer wrote:



 On Aug 21, 2009, at 2:31 AM, hank smith wrote:

 will the latest voices work on the 32 bit mac
 meaning the new voices that you are working on for snow leapard are
 they backwards conpatible with 10.5?

 Yes, most are. Only the older HD voices had to be dropped.

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Re: voices on os x

[Koumanova Rostislava]

hellow david ,
i am using the italian voice ,  can i upgrade to snow ?
rk
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 On Aug 21, 2009, at 2:31 AM, hank smith wrote:

 will the latest voices work on the 32 bit mac
 meaning the new voices that you are working on for snow leapard are
 they backwards conpatible with 10.5?

 Yes, most are. Only the older HD voices had to be dropped.

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Re: voices on os x

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi there,
How does one go about obtaining the voices for SL once it's released?  
I'm interested of the swedish voice pack.
/Krister

24 aug 2009 kl. 18.19 skrev David Niemeijer:



 On Aug 21, 2009, at 2:31 AM, hank smith wrote:

 will the latest voices work on the 32 bit mac
 meaning the new voices that you are working on for snow leapard are
 they backwards conpatible with 10.5?

 Yes, most are. Only the older HD voices had to be dropped.

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Re: voices on os x

[william lomas]

the updated accapella ones for english and other foreign languages

On 24 Aug 2009, at 17:52, Brandon Misch wrote:


 whitch voices will work with the new mac?

 On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:19 PM, David Niemeijer wrote:



 On Aug 21, 2009, at 2:31 AM, hank smith wrote:

 will the latest voices work on the 32 bit mac
 meaning the new voices that you are working on for snow leapard are
 they backwards conpatible with 10.5?

 Yes, most are. Only the older HD voices had to be dropped.

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Re: voices on os x

[David Niemeijer]

Hi,

On Aug 24, 2009, at 6:52 PM, Koumanova Rostislava wrote:


 hellow david ,
 i am using the italian voice ,  can i upgrade to snow ?

not yet. Wait for iVox 2.0. see my other message today for more info.

david.

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Re: voices on os x

[James Nash]

The voices from Acapella are great but it's rediculous that Apple keep 
avoiding the answer on whether or not they will ever include other language 
voices as they do in the IPhone. If they can do it in the IPhone they can do 
so in Mac OS X 10.6 +. This is especiallly true considering that they are 
based in California whre are large percentage of the population are Spanish 
speaking. The same is true for Braille.

Take care
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Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:15 PM
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 you would download the sweedish pack and get an initial 30 day demo
 again if apple had basic sweedish as in the i phone that would ahve
 gotten you started, for now
 but that's life

 On 24 Aug 2009, at 18:25, Krister Ekstrom wrote:


 Hi there,
 How does one go about obtaining the voices for SL once it's released?
 I'm interested of the swedish voice pack.
 /Krister

 24 aug 2009 kl. 18.19 skrev David Niemeijer:



 On Aug 21, 2009, at 2:31 AM, hank smith wrote:

 will the latest voices work on the 32 bit mac
 meaning the new voices that you are working on for snow leapard are
 they backwards conpatible with 10.5?

 Yes, most are. Only the older HD voices had to be dropped.

 david.




 


  


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Re: voices on os x

[william lomas]

if braille is in other languages in snowleopard i'd be interested to  
see if foreign braille is there

On 24 Aug 2009, at 20:04, James  Nash wrote:


 The voices from Acapella are great but it's rediculous that Apple keep
 avoiding the answer on whether or not they will ever include other  
 language
 voices as they do in the IPhone. If they can do it in the IPhone  
 they can do
 so in Mac OS X 10.6 +. This is especiallly true considering that  
 they are
 based in California whre are large percentage of the population are  
 Spanish
 speaking. The same is true for Braille.

 Take care
 - Original Message -
 From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 7:15 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x



 you would download the sweedish pack and get an initial 30 day demo
 again if apple had basic sweedish as in the i phone that would ahve
 gotten you started, for now
 but that's life

 On 24 Aug 2009, at 18:25, Krister Ekstrom wrote:


 Hi there,
 How does one go about obtaining the voices for SL once it's  
 released?
 I'm interested of the swedish voice pack.
 /Krister

 24 aug 2009 kl. 18.19 skrev David Niemeijer:



 On Aug 21, 2009, at 2:31 AM, hank smith wrote:

 will the latest voices work on the 32 bit mac
 meaning the new voices that you are working on for snow leapard  
 are
 they backwards conpatible with 10.5?

 Yes, most are. Only the older HD voices had to be dropped.

 david.










 


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Re: voices on os x

[David Niemeijer]

Hi,

I notice a lot people are complaining that Apple did not include the  
voices they now include with the iPhone 3Gs also in Snow Leopard.  
There may be a lot of reasons why they have not done that. I am not  
sure it is fair to say it is ridiculous of Apple without knowing the  
reasons behind it. Maybe the company they are licensing those voice  
from for the iPhone 3Gs is asking a ridiculously high amount per copy  
of Snow Leopard Apple will sell. Snow Leopard is sold much cheaper  
than most updates yet has been worked on for two years by a large team  
of engineers. I think that is nothing to sneeze at. Also, while people  
accept the lower quality of those voices for a mobile device, would  
the majority of Mac users accept it for Mac OS X on a desktop machine?  
Furthermore, do those voices support all the features needed for  
Speech Manager compatibility, or would that first require years of  
work? And, what about the third party voices? For Mac OS X there are  
multiple third party voices available for a wide range of languages.  
Should Apple just kill that business and possibly stifle innovation on  
the Mac platform in the voice area because voices in multiple  
languages already come free with the OS. For third parties it is hard  
to compete with free stuff, even if the third party stuff is of better  
quality. I know it would be bad for our business, but in the long run,  
it might actually also be bad for end-users. Things are not simply  
black or white.

Anyway, I think there may be plenty of reasons for Apple's decision  
that we as outsiders do not know about. Some of those reasons you and  
I might consider good others we might consider bad, but I personally  
do not think we know enough about the issues involved to call it  
ridiculous, especially after all Apple has been doing these last  
couple of years in the accessibility area.

Cheers,

david.

On Aug 24, 2009, at 9:04 PM, James  Nash wrote:
 The voices from Acapella are great but it's rediculous that Apple keep
 avoiding the answer on whether or not they will ever include other  
 language
 voices as they do in the IPhone. If they can do it in the IPhone  
 they can do
 so in Mac OS X 10.6 +. This is especiallly true considering that  
 they are
 based in California whre are large percentage of the population are  
 Spanish
 speaking. The same is true for Braille.


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Re: voices on os x

[James Nash]

David I agree with you  and Scott. Apple have done a fantastic job with VO 
and I have not said otherwise. The quality of the third party voices such as 
the ones you provide David are much better and yes of course i would rather 
use those than the voices I've heard on the IPhone. However, the reason I 
mention the IPhone voices is that if Voice Over continues as it has in 
Leopard - only speaking in English - then non-native English speakers who do 
not feel comfortable enough with English to install or work with their OS in 
may not be able to afford the superb quality of DAvid's voices for some 
time. That was my only point, although I did not express it clearly enough 
and for that I apologize.

Take care all and I'm sorry for any offense I caused.
- Original Message - 
From: David Niemeijer li...@assistiveware.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: voices on os x



 Hi,

 I notice a lot people are complaining that Apple did not include the
 voices they now include with the iPhone 3Gs also in Snow Leopard.
 There may be a lot of reasons why they have not done that. I am not
 sure it is fair to say it is ridiculous of Apple without knowing the
 reasons behind it. Maybe the company they are licensing those voice
 from for the iPhone 3Gs is asking a ridiculously high amount per copy
 of Snow Leopard Apple will sell. Snow Leopard is sold much cheaper
 than most updates yet has been worked on for two years by a large team
 of engineers. I think that is nothing to sneeze at. Also, while people
 accept the lower quality of those voices for a mobile device, would
 the majority of Mac users accept it for Mac OS X on a desktop machine?
 Furthermore, do those voices support all the features needed for
 Speech Manager compatibility, or would that first require years of
 work? And, what about the third party voices? For Mac OS X there are
 multiple third party voices available for a wide range of languages.
 Should Apple just kill that business and possibly stifle innovation on
 the Mac platform in the voice area because voices in multiple
 languages already come free with the OS. For third parties it is hard
 to compete with free stuff, even if the third party stuff is of better
 quality. I know it would be bad for our business, but in the long run,
 it might actually also be bad for end-users. Things are not simply
 black or white.

 Anyway, I think there may be plenty of reasons for Apple's decision
 that we as outsiders do not know about. Some of those reasons you and
 I might consider good others we might consider bad, but I personally
 do not think we know enough about the issues involved to call it
 ridiculous, especially after all Apple has been doing these last
 couple of years in the accessibility area.

 Cheers,

 david.

 On Aug 24, 2009, at 9:04 PM, James  Nash wrote:
 The voices from Acapella are great but it's rediculous that Apple keep
 avoiding the answer on whether or not they will ever include other
 language
 voices as they do in the IPhone. If they can do it in the IPhone
 they can do
 so in Mac OS X 10.6 +. This is especiallly true considering that
 they are
 based in California whre are large percentage of the population are
 Spanish
 speaking. The same is true for Braille.


  


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Re: voices on os x

[Mike Arrigo]

The voices on the iphone are provided by Nuance. That engine is called  
nuance vocalizer. Those voices are available for windows desktops and  
that engine is called nuance realspeak. I actually wish these voices  
were available for the mac, though I would not expect apple to include  
them. But, as yet, nuance has not released a version for the mac. So,  
Apple probably could not bundle them with 10.6, even if they wanted to.
On Aug 24, 2009, at 4:19 PM, David Niemeijer wrote:


 Hi,

 I notice a lot people are complaining that Apple did not include the
 voices they now include with the iPhone 3Gs also in Snow Leopard.
 There may be a lot of reasons why they have not done that. I am not
 sure it is fair to say it is ridiculous of Apple without knowing the
 reasons behind it. Maybe the company they are licensing those voice
 from for the iPhone 3Gs is asking a ridiculously high amount per copy
 of Snow Leopard Apple will sell. Snow Leopard is sold much cheaper
 than most updates yet has been worked on for two years by a large team
 of engineers. I think that is nothing to sneeze at. Also, while people
 accept the lower quality of those voices for a mobile device, would
 the majority of Mac users accept it for Mac OS X on a desktop machine?
 Furthermore, do those voices support all the features needed for
 Speech Manager compatibility, or would that first require years of
 work? And, what about the third party voices? For Mac OS X there are
 multiple third party voices available for a wide range of languages.
 Should Apple just kill that business and possibly stifle innovation on
 the Mac platform in the voice area because voices in multiple
 languages already come free with the OS. For third parties it is hard
 to compete with free stuff, even if the third party stuff is of better
 quality. I know it would be bad for our business, but in the long run,
 it might actually also be bad for end-users. Things are not simply
 black or white.

 Anyway, I think there may be plenty of reasons for Apple's decision
 that we as outsiders do not know about. Some of those reasons you and
 I might consider good others we might consider bad, but I personally
 do not think we know enough about the issues involved to call it
 ridiculous, especially after all Apple has been doing these last
 couple of years in the accessibility area.

 Cheers,

 david.

 On Aug 24, 2009, at 9:04 PM, James  Nash wrote:
 The voices from Acapella are great but it's rediculous that Apple  
 keep
 avoiding the answer on whether or not they will ever include other
 language
 voices as they do in the IPhone. If they can do it in the IPhone
 they can do
 so in Mac OS X 10.6 +. This is especiallly true considering that
 they are
 based in California whre are large percentage of the population are
 Spanish
 speaking. The same is true for Braille.


 


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Re: voices on os x

[James Nash]

I agree with you.The quality of the InfoVox voices is fantastic, but people 
may not have the funds immediately to hand. I was fortunate enough to buy 
them a few years ago but if you are a first time Mac buyer, you may not have 
budgeted for such a things.

Take care

James
- Original Message - 
From: a radix anou...@home.nl
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: voices on os x



Hello, well maybe they should consider low quality voices for other
languages then if they dont want to do all specefic ones, i mean SOME speech
in your language is better then none, right? I am not really technica lbut I
think hal has something like that with orpheus, although it may not be that
high quality it is certainly usable, and IF you want something better you
could always opt to buy infovox or whatever other commercial engines are
available.
Just my opinion,
Greetings, Anouk,
- Original Message - 
From: Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: voices on os x



Furthermore, the high quality voices are so language specific that
it's virtually impossible to read anything but the language that the
voice is made for. So therefore, if i want to read something in
Swedish, i must use a swedish voice, or viseversa. This was not the
case with the high definition voices like Infovox Ingmar. That voice
is quite tollerant if you want to read english texts with it. Of
course, it becomes Swenglish but it's understandable. This will be
hard with Alex, because he's made for reading in English, if you see
what i mean.
/Krister


19 aug 2009 kl. 18.37 skrev James  Nash:

 This makes things very difficult for those people who may not have
 enough competency in English to install the OS and use it until they
 can buy the InfoVox voices. Having Alex read French or any other
 foreign language with an English voice is not acceptable.

 Let's hope that they will fix this issue in the near future. Perhaps
 I'll point out to them that users of Orca in Linux and NVDA in
 Windows have speech with E Speak which gives users about 50 voices.
 Braille access is also given through BRLTTY.

 Hopefully though, voices for other languages will be added in  some
 future update.

 Take care

 James
 - Original Message -
 From: Søren Jensen
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:00 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 I totally agree. It's really odd that Apple doesn't put these voices
 in Snowleopard when they already are on the Iphones and the Ipod
 shuffle. Sounds like they didn't know they exist when they say it's
 too late to put them in Snowleopard. If they really wanna put these
 voices in Snowleopard, they could easily make a Voiceover update
 like the update for the Braille displays last year... Sounds like
 they don't wanna put these voices in snowleopard... :(
 Best regards:
 Søren Jensen
 Mail  MSN:
 s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 Website:
 http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

 On 19/08/2009, at 17.26, Anne Robertson wrote:

 Hello Will,

 On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:40 PM, william lomas wrote:

 they told me is was a bit late now for snowleopard

 That's a bit disingenuous of them! I've been bellyaching to them
 about this for as long as we've had VoiceOver. I wouldn't hold my
 breath if I were you.

 Cheers,

 Anne

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:34, James  Nash wrote:

 I do not understand why they simply do not include them with Snow
 Leopard as they are already there in the IPhone.

 Take care
 - Original Message -
 From: william lomas
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the
 ones in the i phone in the future

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:

 Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other
 voices, but will there be standard other language ones? As you
 know I dont use voices a lot myself but I am going to post about
 my new mac on dutch mailing lists and I am pretty sure this
 question will come up by a lot of people because most ppl use
 mainly speech.
 Greetings, Anouk,


















 







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Re: voices on os x

[James Nash]

Hi David,

Thank you for your response and for your recommendation to Accapella.

Take care

James
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From: David Niemeijer li...@assistiveware.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: voices on os x



 James,

 On Aug 19, 2009, at 8:41 PM, James  Nash wrote:
 That's great to hear that you are continuing to develop such as great
 product. Will there be a cost involved in upgrading to 2.0 for those
 of us
 who bought 1.0+ release?

 I have recommended there should be no upgrade fee, but I cannot
 guarantee. In the end it is Acapela Group's decision.

 david.

  


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Re: voices on os x

[hank smith]

if I purchase the us voices will I get uk voices? if so what ones?
if I purchase uk voices what us one will I get?
Hank
On Aug 19, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:


 Hi, i have sent a mail to accapella regarding the upgrade, whether one
 has to pay up for it:

 here is the forward


 Hi,

 On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:48 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
 I am interested in purchasing the french ivox pack, but will be
 upgrading the os to snow leopard soon. I wanted to know if the
 actual licence comprises any upgraded version of ivox for snow
 leopard.

 For snow Leopard we are working on a new version which will be a free
 update.

 Also, could you be kind enough as to list the actual voices i will
 get upon purchase?

 Heather (US English)
 Claire
 Alice
 Julie
 Bruno

 Cheers,

 david.

 


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Re: voices on os x

[william lomas]

if you buy US voices you get US. if you buy UK I think you get Heather

On 20 Aug 2009, at 08:59, hank smith wrote:


 if I purchase the us voices will I get uk voices? if so what ones?
 if I purchase uk voices what us one will I get?
 Hank
 On Aug 19, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:


 Hi, i have sent a mail to accapella regarding the upgrade, whether  
 one
 has to pay up for it:

 here is the forward


 Hi,

 On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:48 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:
 I am interested in purchasing the french ivox pack, but will be
 upgrading the os to snow leopard soon. I wanted to know if the
 actual licence comprises any upgraded version of ivox for snow
 leopard.

 For snow Leopard we are working on a new version which will be a free
 update.

 Also, could you be kind enough as to list the actual voices i will
 get upon purchase?

 Heather (US English)
 Claire
 Alice
 Julie
 Bruno

 Cheers,

 david.




 


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Re: voices on os x

[Søren Jensen]

It's possible to read text in other languages with Alex when you've  
got used to it. I'm both reading Norwegian and danish with Alex with  
the raid set to 100%.
Best regards:
Søren Jensen
Mail  MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

On 19/08/2009, at 19.59, Krister Ekstrom wrote:


 Furthermore, the high quality voices are so language specific that
 it's virtually impossible to read anything but the language that the
 voice is made for. So therefore, if i want to read something in
 Swedish, i must use a swedish voice, or viseversa. This was not the
 case with the high definition voices like Infovox Ingmar. That voice
 is quite tollerant if you want to read english texts with it. Of
 course, it becomes Swenglish but it's understandable. This will be
 hard with Alex, because he's made for reading in English, if you see
 what i mean.
 /Krister


 19 aug 2009 kl. 18.37 skrev James  Nash:

 This makes things very difficult for those people who may not have
 enough competency in English to install the OS and use it until they
 can buy the InfoVox voices. Having Alex read French or any other
 foreign language with an English voice is not acceptable.

 Let's hope that they will fix this issue in the near future. Perhaps
 I'll point out to them that users of Orca in Linux and NVDA in
 Windows have speech with E Speak which gives users about 50 voices.
 Braille access is also given through BRLTTY.

 Hopefully though, voices for other languages will be added in  some
 future update.

 Take care

 James
 - Original Message -
 From: Søren Jensen
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:00 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 I totally agree. It's really odd that Apple doesn't put these voices
 in Snowleopard when they already are on the Iphones and the Ipod
 shuffle. Sounds like they didn't know they exist when they say it's
 too late to put them in Snowleopard. If they really wanna put these
 voices in Snowleopard, they could easily make a Voiceover update
 like the update for the Braille displays last year... Sounds like
 they don't wanna put these voices in snowleopard... :(
 Best regards:
 Søren Jensen
 Mail  MSN:
 s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 Website:
 http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

 On 19/08/2009, at 17.26, Anne Robertson wrote:

 Hello Will,

 On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:40 PM, william lomas wrote:

 they told me is was a bit late now for snowleopard

 That's a bit disingenuous of them! I've been bellyaching to them
 about this for as long as we've had VoiceOver. I wouldn't hold my
 breath if I were you.

 Cheers,

 Anne

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:34, James  Nash wrote:

 I do not understand why they simply do not include them with Snow
 Leopard as they are already there in the IPhone.

 Take care
 - Original Message -
 From: william lomas
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the
 ones in the i phone in the future

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:

 Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other
 voices, but will there be standard other language ones? As you
 know I dont use voices a lot myself but I am going to post about
 my new mac on dutch mailing lists and I am pretty sure this
 question will come up by a lot of people because most ppl use
 mainly speech.
 Greetings, Anouk,





















 


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Re: voices on os x

[David Niemeijer]

Hank,

On Aug 20, 2009, at 9:59 AM, hank smith wrote:

 if I purchase the us voices will I get uk voices?

no.

 if so what ones?
 if I purchase uk voices what us one will I get?

you will get all UK voices plus Heather.

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Re: voices on os x

[hank smith]

will the latest voices work on the 32 bit mac
meaning the new voices that you are working on for snow leapard are  
they backwards conpatible with 10.5?
On Aug 20, 2009, at 12:04 PM, David Niemeijer wrote:

 Hank,

 On Aug 20, 2009, at 9:59 AM, hank smith wrote:

 if I purchase the us voices will I get uk voices?

 no.

 if so what ones?
 if I purchase uk voices what us one will I get?

 you will get all UK voices plus Heather.

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voices on os x

[a radix]

Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other voices, but will 
there be standard other language ones? As you know I dont use voices a lot 
myself but I am going to post about my new mac on dutch mailing lists and I am 
pretty sure this question will come up by a lot of people because most ppl use 
mainly speech.
Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: voices on os x

[william lomas]

no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the ones  
in the i phone in the future

On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:

 Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other voices,  
 but will there be standard other language ones? As you know I dont  
 use voices a lot myself but I am going to post about my new mac on  
 dutch mailing lists and I am pretty sure this question will come up  
 by a lot of people because most ppl use mainly speech.
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Re: voices on os x

[william lomas]

they told me is was a bit late now for snowleopard

On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:34, James  Nash wrote:

 I do not understand why they simply do not include them with Snow  
 Leopard as they are already there in the IPhone.

 Take care
 - Original Message -
 From: william lomas
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the ones  
 in the i phone in the future

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:

 Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other voices,  
 but will there be standard other language ones? As you know I dont  
 use voices a lot myself but I am going to post about my new mac on  
 dutch mailing lists and I am pretty sure this question will come up  
 by a lot of people because most ppl use mainly speech.
 Greetings, Anouk,






 


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Re: voices on os x

[a radix]

Hello that would be great indeed yes because now i fyour main language is not 
English and your opretating system language is not you are forced to buy a 
voice or engine (I suppose that there are engines other then the standard one 
available for os x that you can buy?) to get thing s working. I suppose apple 
ha sno other voices available that are not included in the os but you can 
download separately?
Greetings, Anouk,
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  From: James  Nash 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:34 PM
  Subject: Re: voices on os x


  I do not understand why they simply do not include them with Snow Leopard as 
they are already there in the IPhone.

  Take care 
- Original Message - 
From: william lomas 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: voices on os x


no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the ones in the 
i phone in the future 


On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:


  Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other voices, but 
will there be standard other language ones? As you know I dont use voices a lot 
myself but I am going to post about my new mac on dutch mailing lists and I am 
pretty sure this question will come up by a lot of people because most ppl use 
mainly speech.
  Greetings, Anouk,








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Re: voices on os x

[william lomas]

No you ahve to buy the acapella ones I have the french ones

On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:38, a radix wrote:

 Hello that would be great indeed yes because now i fyour main  
 language is not English and your opretating system language is not  
 you are forced to buy a voice or engine (I suppose that there are  
 engines other then the standard one available for os x that you can  
 buy?) to get thing s working. I suppose apple ha sno other voices  
 available that are not included in the os but you can download  
 separately?
 Greetings, Anouk,
 - Original Message -
 From: James  Nash
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:34 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 I do not understand why they simply do not include them with Snow  
 Leopard as they are already there in the IPhone.

 Take care
 - Original Message -
 From: william lomas
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the ones  
 in the i phone in the future

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:

 Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other voices,  
 but will there be standard other language ones? As you know I dont  
 use voices a lot myself but I am going to post about my new mac on  
 dutch mailing lists and I am pretty sure this question will come up  
 by a lot of people because most ppl use mainly speech.
 Greetings, Anouk,







 


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Re: voices on os x

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Will,

On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:40 PM, william lomas wrote:

 they told me is was a bit late now for snowleopard

That's a bit disingenuous of them! I've been bellyaching to them about  
this for as long as we've had VoiceOver. I wouldn't hold my breath if  
I were you.

Cheers,

Anne

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:34, James  Nash wrote:

 I do not understand why they simply do not include them with Snow  
 Leopard as they are already there in the IPhone.

 Take care
 - Original Message -
 From: william lomas
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the  
 ones in the i phone in the future

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:

 Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other voices,  
 but will there be standard other language ones? As you know I dont  
 use voices a lot myself but I am going to post about my new mac on  
 dutch mailing lists and I am pretty sure this question will come  
 up by a lot of people because most ppl use mainly speech.
 Greetings, Anouk,










 


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Re: voices on os x

[Søren Jensen]

I totally agree. It's really odd that Apple doesn't put these voices  
in Snowleopard when they already are on the Iphones and the Ipod  
shuffle. Sounds like they didn't know they exist when they say it's  
too late to put them in Snowleopard. If they really wanna put these  
voices in Snowleopard, they could easily make a Voiceover update like  
the update for the Braille displays last year... Sounds like they  
don't wanna put these voices in snowleopard... :(
Best regards:
Søren Jensen
Mail  MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

On 19/08/2009, at 17.26, Anne Robertson wrote:

 Hello Will,

 On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:40 PM, william lomas wrote:

 they told me is was a bit late now for snowleopard

 That's a bit disingenuous of them! I've been bellyaching to them  
 about this for as long as we've had VoiceOver. I wouldn't hold my  
 breath if I were you.

 Cheers,

 Anne

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:34, James  Nash wrote:

 I do not understand why they simply do not include them with Snow  
 Leopard as they are already there in the IPhone.

 Take care
 - Original Message -
 From: william lomas
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the  
 ones in the i phone in the future

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:

 Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other voices,  
 but will there be standard other language ones? As you know I  
 dont use voices a lot myself but I am going to post about my new  
 mac on dutch mailing lists and I am pretty sure this question  
 will come up by a lot of people because most ppl use mainly speech.
 Greetings, Anouk,













 


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Re: voices on os x

[a radix]

Hello, I guess I will ask the accessibility people about it, a bi tmore 
pressure cant hurt, right? I mean it would be useful even for me at times.
Greetings, Anouk,
  - Original Message - 
  From: Søren Jensen 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:00 PM
  Subject: Re: voices on os x


  I totally agree. It's really odd that Apple doesn't put these voices in 
Snowleopard when they already are on the Iphones and the Ipod shuffle. Sounds 
like they didn't know they exist when they say it's too late to put them in 
Snowleopard. If they really wanna put these voices in Snowleopard, they could 
easily make a Voiceover update like the update for the Braille displays last 
year... Sounds like they don't wanna put these voices in snowleopard... :(

  Best regards:
  Søren Jensen
  Mail  MSN:
  s...@coolfortheblind.dk
  Website:
  http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/


  On 19/08/2009, at 17.26, Anne Robertson wrote:


Hello Will,


On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:40 PM, william lomas wrote:


  they told me is was a bit late now for snowleopard


That's a bit disingenuous of them! I've been bellyaching to them about this 
for as long as we've had VoiceOver. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.


Cheers,


Anne


  On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:34, James  Nash wrote:


I do not understand why they simply do not include them with Snow 
Leopard as they are already there in the IPhone.

Take care
  - Original Message -
  From: william lomas
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:28 PM
  Subject: Re: voices on os x


  no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the ones 
in the i phone in the future


  On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:


Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other voices, 
but will there be standard other language ones? As you know I dont use voices a 
lot myself but I am going to post about my new mac on dutch mailing lists and I 
am pretty sure this question will come up by a lot of people because most ppl 
use mainly speech.
Greetings, Anouk,

























  

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Re: voices on os x

[James Nash]

This makes things very difficult for those people who may not have enough 
competency in English to install the OS and use it until they can buy the 
InfoVox voices. Having Alex read French or any other foreign language with an 
English voice is not acceptable. 

Let's hope that they will fix this issue in the near future. Perhaps I'll point 
out to them that users of Orca in Linux and NVDA in Windows have speech with E 
Speak which gives users about 50 voices. Braille access is also given through 
BRLTTY.

Hopefully though, voices for other languages will be added in  some future 
update. 

Take care 

James 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Søren Jensen 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:00 PM
  Subject: Re: voices on os x


  I totally agree. It's really odd that Apple doesn't put these voices in 
Snowleopard when they already are on the Iphones and the Ipod shuffle. Sounds 
like they didn't know they exist when they say it's too late to put them in 
Snowleopard. If they really wanna put these voices in Snowleopard, they could 
easily make a Voiceover update like the update for the Braille displays last 
year... Sounds like they don't wanna put these voices in snowleopard... :(

  Best regards:
  Søren Jensen
  Mail  MSN:
  s...@coolfortheblind.dk
  Website:
  http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/


  On 19/08/2009, at 17.26, Anne Robertson wrote:


Hello Will,


On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:40 PM, william lomas wrote:


  they told me is was a bit late now for snowleopard


That's a bit disingenuous of them! I've been bellyaching to them about this 
for as long as we've had VoiceOver. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.


Cheers,


Anne


  On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:34, James  Nash wrote:


I do not understand why they simply do not include them with Snow 
Leopard as they are already there in the IPhone.

Take care
  - Original Message -
  From: william lomas
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:28 PM
  Subject: Re: voices on os x


  no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the ones 
in the i phone in the future


  On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:


Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other voices, 
but will there be standard other language ones? As you know I dont use voices a 
lot myself but I am going to post about my new mac on dutch mailing lists and I 
am pretty sure this question will come up by a lot of people because most ppl 
use mainly speech.
Greetings, Anouk,

























  

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Re: voices on os x

[william lomas]

i am sure since a lot of us feel it would benefit the community as a  
whole, that this will be sorted

On 19 Aug 2009, at 16:26, Anne Robertson wrote:

 Hello Will,

 On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:40 PM, william lomas wrote:

 they told me is was a bit late now for snowleopard

 That's a bit disingenuous of them! I've been bellyaching to them  
 about this for as long as we've had VoiceOver. I wouldn't hold my  
 breath if I were you.

 Cheers,

 Anne

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:34, James  Nash wrote:

 I do not understand why they simply do not include them with Snow  
 Leopard as they are already there in the IPhone.

 Take care
 - Original Message -
 From: william lomas
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the  
 ones in the i phone in the future

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:

 Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other voices,  
 but will there be standard other language ones? As you know I  
 dont use voices a lot myself but I am going to post about my new  
 mac on dutch mailing lists and I am pretty sure this question  
 will come up by a lot of people because most ppl use mainly speech.
 Greetings, Anouk,













 


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Re: voices on os x

[James Nash]

I hope you are right Will. In the past, when we have made suggestions or 
requested features, Apple have always tried to incorporate them - but not 
always immediately.

Take care 

James 
  - Original Message - 
  From: william lomas 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:37 PM
  Subject: Re: voices on os x


  i am sure since a lot of us feel it would benefit the community as a whole, 
that this will be sorted


  On 19 Aug 2009, at 16:26, Anne Robertson wrote:


Hello Will,


On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:40 PM, william lomas wrote:


  they told me is was a bit late now for snowleopard


That's a bit disingenuous of them! I've been bellyaching to them about this 
for as long as we've had VoiceOver. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.


Cheers,


Anne


  On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:34, James  Nash wrote:


I do not understand why they simply do not include them with Snow 
Leopard as they are already there in the IPhone.

Take care
  - Original Message -
  From: william lomas
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:28 PM
  Subject: Re: voices on os x


  no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the ones 
in the i phone in the future


  On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:


Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other voices, 
but will there be standard other language ones? As you know I dont use voices a 
lot myself but I am going to post about my new mac on dutch mailing lists and I 
am pretty sure this question will come up by a lot of people because most ppl 
use mainly speech.
Greetings, Anouk,


























  

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Re: voices on os x

[a radix]

Hello, well maybe they should consider low quality voices for other 
languages then if they dont want to do all specefic ones, i mean SOME speech 
in your language is better then none, right? I am not really technica lbut I 
think hal has something like that with orpheus, although it may not be that 
high quality it is certainly usable, and IF you want something better you 
could always opt to buy infovox or whatever other commercial engines are 
available.
Just my opinion,
Greetings, Anouk,
- Original Message - 
From: Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: voices on os x



Furthermore, the high quality voices are so language specific that
it's virtually impossible to read anything but the language that the
voice is made for. So therefore, if i want to read something in
Swedish, i must use a swedish voice, or viseversa. This was not the
case with the high definition voices like Infovox Ingmar. That voice
is quite tollerant if you want to read english texts with it. Of
course, it becomes Swenglish but it's understandable. This will be
hard with Alex, because he's made for reading in English, if you see
what i mean.
/Krister


19 aug 2009 kl. 18.37 skrev James  Nash:

 This makes things very difficult for those people who may not have
 enough competency in English to install the OS and use it until they
 can buy the InfoVox voices. Having Alex read French or any other
 foreign language with an English voice is not acceptable.

 Let's hope that they will fix this issue in the near future. Perhaps
 I'll point out to them that users of Orca in Linux and NVDA in
 Windows have speech with E Speak which gives users about 50 voices.
 Braille access is also given through BRLTTY.

 Hopefully though, voices for other languages will be added in  some
 future update.

 Take care

 James
 - Original Message -
 From: Søren Jensen
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:00 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 I totally agree. It's really odd that Apple doesn't put these voices
 in Snowleopard when they already are on the Iphones and the Ipod
 shuffle. Sounds like they didn't know they exist when they say it's
 too late to put them in Snowleopard. If they really wanna put these
 voices in Snowleopard, they could easily make a Voiceover update
 like the update for the Braille displays last year... Sounds like
 they don't wanna put these voices in snowleopard... :(
 Best regards:
 Søren Jensen
 Mail  MSN:
 s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 Website:
 http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

 On 19/08/2009, at 17.26, Anne Robertson wrote:

 Hello Will,

 On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:40 PM, william lomas wrote:

 they told me is was a bit late now for snowleopard

 That's a bit disingenuous of them! I've been bellyaching to them
 about this for as long as we've had VoiceOver. I wouldn't hold my
 breath if I were you.

 Cheers,

 Anne

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:34, James  Nash wrote:

 I do not understand why they simply do not include them with Snow
 Leopard as they are already there in the IPhone.

 Take care
 - Original Message -
 From: william lomas
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the
 ones in the i phone in the future

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:

 Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other
 voices, but will there be standard other language ones? As you
 know I dont use voices a lot myself but I am going to post about
 my new mac on dutch mailing lists and I am pretty sure this
 question will come up by a lot of people because most ppl use
 mainly speech.
 Greetings, Anouk,


















 




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Re: voices on os x

[James Nash]

Hi David,

That's great to hear that you are continuing to develop such as great 
product. Will there be a cost involved in upgrading to 2.0 for those of us 
who bought 1.0+ release?

Thanks
Take care
James
- Original Message - 
From: David Niemeijer li...@assistiveware.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: voices on os x



 Hi,

 On Aug 19, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
 Yeah, but the acapela voices currently don't work with the next big
 cat, and there's an Ivox in beta. Let's hope they don't take long to
 release new Ivox voices that work with Snow leopard.

 Rest assured we are working hard on having iVox 2.0 ready for Snow
 Leopard in time. However, it required a complete overhaul of the core
 engine to make the voices 64 bit compatible (a requirement for Snow
 Leopard). Work started on this long ago but it is a far from easy job.
 We are currently working with a team of VoiceOver users on beta
 testing the new version to assure it works well under heavy duty use.

 Before anyone asks, we do not currently need additional testers. There
 are already a number of additional people who have requested to be
 included in further tests and adding even more testers will slow down
 testing (and thus release).

 If you rely on the iVox voices (because you need another language than
 English) you should not upgrade to Snow Leopard before installing iVox
 2.0 as iVox 1.3 (which it is 32 bit only) will not work with Snow
 Leopard.

 Cheers,

 david

  


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Re: voices on os x

[william lomas]

as I learning chinese, a manderin voice would be nice from ivox

On 19 Aug 2009, at 18:59, Krister Ekstrom wrote:


 Furthermore, the high quality voices are so language specific that
 it's virtually impossible to read anything but the language that the
 voice is made for. So therefore, if i want to read something in
 Swedish, i must use a swedish voice, or viseversa. This was not the
 case with the high definition voices like Infovox Ingmar. That voice
 is quite tollerant if you want to read english texts with it. Of
 course, it becomes Swenglish but it's understandable. This will be
 hard with Alex, because he's made for reading in English, if you see
 what i mean.
 /Krister


 19 aug 2009 kl. 18.37 skrev James  Nash:

 This makes things very difficult for those people who may not have
 enough competency in English to install the OS and use it until they
 can buy the InfoVox voices. Having Alex read French or any other
 foreign language with an English voice is not acceptable.

 Let's hope that they will fix this issue in the near future. Perhaps
 I'll point out to them that users of Orca in Linux and NVDA in
 Windows have speech with E Speak which gives users about 50 voices.
 Braille access is also given through BRLTTY.

 Hopefully though, voices for other languages will be added in  some
 future update.

 Take care

 James
 - Original Message -
 From: Søren Jensen
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:00 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 I totally agree. It's really odd that Apple doesn't put these voices
 in Snowleopard when they already are on the Iphones and the Ipod
 shuffle. Sounds like they didn't know they exist when they say it's
 too late to put them in Snowleopard. If they really wanna put these
 voices in Snowleopard, they could easily make a Voiceover update
 like the update for the Braille displays last year... Sounds like
 they don't wanna put these voices in snowleopard... :(
 Best regards:
 Søren Jensen
 Mail  MSN:
 s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 Website:
 http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

 On 19/08/2009, at 17.26, Anne Robertson wrote:

 Hello Will,

 On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:40 PM, william lomas wrote:

 they told me is was a bit late now for snowleopard

 That's a bit disingenuous of them! I've been bellyaching to them
 about this for as long as we've had VoiceOver. I wouldn't hold my
 breath if I were you.

 Cheers,

 Anne

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:34, James  Nash wrote:

 I do not understand why they simply do not include them with Snow
 Leopard as they are already there in the IPhone.

 Take care
 - Original Message -
 From: william lomas
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: voices on os x

 no there isn't. apple have said they would possibly include the
 ones in the i phone in the future

 On 19 Aug 2009, at 13:24, a radix wrote:

 Hello, I know voicover will come with alex and some other
 voices, but will there be standard other language ones? As you
 know I dont use voices a lot myself but I am going to post about
 my new mac on dutch mailing lists and I am pretty sure this
 question will come up by a lot of people because most ppl use
 mainly speech.
 Greetings, Anouk,





















 


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Re: voices on os x

[Koumanova Rostislava]

hi,
i did not know this. do we have to buy the upgrade?
i use the italian version, are you testing this one as well?
i am so happy with chiara , and i hope that i can use it with sl.
rk


 Hi,

 On Aug 19, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
 Yeah, but the acapela voices currently don't work with the next big
 cat, and there's an Ivox in beta. Let's hope they don't take long to
 release new Ivox voices that work with Snow leopard.

 Rest assured we are working hard on having iVox 2.0 ready for Snow
 Leopard in time. However, it required a complete overhaul of the core
 engine to make the voices 64 bit compatible (a requirement for Snow
 Leopard). Work started on this long ago but it is a far from easy job.
 We are currently working with a team of VoiceOver users on beta
 testing the new version to assure it works well under heavy duty use.

 Before anyone asks, we do not currently need additional testers. There
 are already a number of additional people who have requested to be
 included in further tests and adding even more testers will slow down
 testing (and thus release).

 If you rely on the iVox voices (because you need another language than
 English) you should not upgrade to Snow Leopard before installing iVox
 2.0 as iVox 1.3 (which it is 32 bit only) will not work with Snow
 Leopard.

 Cheers,

 david

 


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Re: voices on os x

[David Niemeijer]

James,

On Aug 19, 2009, at 8:41 PM, James  Nash wrote:
 That's great to hear that you are continuing to develop such as great
 product. Will there be a cost involved in upgrading to 2.0 for those  
 of us
 who bought 1.0+ release?

I have recommended there should be no upgrade fee, but I cannot  
guarantee. In the end it is Acapela Group's decision.

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