Re: [maemo-developers] new to 770 list
Hi, yeah..me too...or maybe the 770 is blocking ?? There is nothing in the device which would make it blocking. Of course, much depends on your connection (like if you connect your machine behing a NAT, incoming connections will be blocked). yep..sure there are many problems...i love problems as it means something to do. In my opinion this device needs to support non-proprietary formats as default..this is important for adoption and acceptance in hacker communities []'s Ian There is some legal issues with the ogg format, so therefore it might not be in official release. Anyway, I think it's just matter of time when somebody makes actual ogg support for the audioplayer. -Kuisma ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] new to 770 list
Salonen Kuisma wrote: There is some legal issues with the ogg format, so therefore it might not be in official release. Anyway, I think it's just matter of time when somebody makes actual ogg support for the audioplayer. what legal issue ?? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] new to 770 list
ola what legal issue ?? yes..this is interesting question...i found this --- Ogg Vorbis is the first Ogg audio CODEC. Anyone may freely use and distribute the Ogg and Vorbis specification, whether in a private, public or corporate capacity. However, the Xiph.org Foundation and the Ogg project (xiph.org) reserve the right to set the Ogg Vorbis specification and certify specification compliance. Xiph.org's Vorbis software CODEC implementation is distributed under a BSD-like license. This does not restrict third parties from distributing independent implementations of Vorbis software under other licenses. Ogg, Vorbis, Xiph.org Foundation and their logos are trademarks (tm) of the Xiph.org Foundation. --- maybe a separate implementation of the .ogg for the 770 released under a GNU/creative commons licence could work? []'s Ian ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Ogg legal issues? (was: new to 770 list)
On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 12:14 +0200, ext Raphael Jacquot wrote: Salonen Kuisma wrote: There is some legal issues with the ogg format, so therefore it might not be in official release. Anyway, I think it's just matter of time when somebody makes actual ogg support for the audioplayer. what legal issue ?? I'm only guessing here, I don't have direct knowledge on the matter, but I think it might be related to patents and whatnot a big company like Nokia is licensing from third parties. My guess is that the licenses are dictating terms regarding distribution of technologies covered by said patents, and that there is uncertainty whether ogg is incorporating those technologies. If we would be distributing licensed technologies without complying with the licensing terms, it would be quite bad. Better not take the risk by rushing it. Of course, if you haven't licensed anything you don't have the same problem. But still, I'm only guessing. The issues with licensing show up only after you have some :) -- Tommi Komulainen[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Ogg legal issues?
Salonen Kuisma wrote: There is some legal issues with the ogg format, so therefore it might not be in official release. Anyway, I think it's just matter of time when somebody makes actual ogg support for the audioplayer. what legal issue ?? Ok this statement was not fully considered. I am not aware of ongoing legal activities inside Nokia and the legal issue assumption was about Thomson / Fraunhofer statements about ogg violating their patents. But again, that was just my personal assumption and I am not lawyer, neither I know about ongoing legal activities. So, don't assume anything, there is no decisions made about anything. I agree that ogg should be supported but again, that's just my personal opinion. -Kuisma ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Ogg legal issues?
Hi, Thomson/Frauenhoffer made such a statement offhand quite some years ago and when Xiph.org asked which patents they though Ogg infringed they had no reply. And they have afaik never repeated such a claim again. Xiph.org also have had a formal patent search done where nothing turned up. Christian On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 15:34 +0300, Salonen Kuisma wrote: Salonen Kuisma wrote: There is some legal issues with the ogg format, so therefore it might not be in official release. Anyway, I think it's just matter of time when somebody makes actual ogg support for the audioplayer. what legal issue ?? Ok this statement was not fully considered. I am not aware of ongoing legal activities inside Nokia and the legal issue assumption was about Thomson / Fraunhofer statements about ogg violating their patents. But again, that was just my personal assumption and I am not lawyer, neither I know about ongoing legal activities. So, don't assume anything, there is no decisions made about anything. I agree that ogg should be supported but again, that's just my personal opinion. -Kuisma ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller Business Development Manager Fluendo S.L. Mobile Phone: +34 678093464 Office Phone: +34 933175153 Fax : +34 936002310 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Ogg legal issues?
On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:34:26 +0300, Salonen Kuisma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok this statement was not fully considered. I am not aware of ongoing legal activities inside Nokia and the legal issue assumption was about Thomson / Fraunhofer statements about ogg violating their patents. But again, that was just my personal assumption and I am not lawyer, neither I know about ongoing legal activities. As far as I know, xiph.org has been very careful about patents and the Ogg format and Vorbis codec are generally considered to be safe. However, there may be an issue with the BSD-like license used for the ogg/vorbis libraries provided by xiph.org: this is the old BSD license with the obnoxious advertising clause: Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. This means that the docs of the 770 would have to include that notice. This may also be a problem when (statically) linking with GPL code. See also: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#OriginalBSD -Raphaël ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
