[maemo-developers] garage svn commit access should be OK now
Hello, I would like to apologize from all of you who could not use svn (commit) on garage during the weekend. Last Friday I did some configuration changes and apparently I did not test them properly :( Please check if you can access your repository and reply to me in case of troubles. Thank you, ferenc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] garage svn commit access should be OK now
Hi, Am Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:42:57 +0300 schrieb Ferenc Szekely [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would like to apologize from all of you who could not use svn (commit) on garage during the weekend. Last Friday I did some configuration changes and apparently I did not test them properly :( Please check if you can access your repository and reply to me in case of troubles. It does work again now. Thank you for fixing. Regards, Martin ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] osso_socket doesn't work under scratchbox
Skip My environment: Maemo 2.0 i386 rootstrap, af-sb-init.sh started. I'm using /usr/share/doc/osso-ic-dev/examples/osso-socket.c example. Compile it: gcc osso-socket.c -o osso-socket `pkg-config --cflags --libs osso-ic glib-2.0` -DDBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE and run: run-standalone.sh ./osso-socket 192.168.1.1 80 So, this is the output I get: socket error: No route to host Some basic sanity check questions: Does connection to eg. localhost work? No. :( ./osso-socket 127.0.0.1 80 socket error: No route to host Tracking osso_socket(2=PF_INET, 1=SOCK_STREAM, 6=tcp) = 3 Does wget or any other network utility work under scratchbox for you? Yes. Work fine. wget 127.0.0.1 --17:26:43-- http://127.0.0.1/ = `index.html' Connecting to 127.0.0.1:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 1,456 [text/html] 0K . 100% 13.89 MB/s 17:26:43 (13.89 MB/s) - `index.html' saved [1456/1456] Have you synced the resolv.conf from /etc outside scratchbox to inside it? Yes. /etc/resolv.conf and /scratchbox/users/vlad/targets/SDK_PC/etc/resolv.conf is synced. Vlad Vasiliev ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] libXv and xvimagesink
Hello all, I'd like to know if anyone managed to install libXv and xvimagesink on the 770 or the same with SDL. That would be very helpful for us. Thx in advance, Corentin. corentinbaron.gpgkey Description: Binary data ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Issues with ARM target binaries
Hi there to the list. I'm having some issues with ARM target when running arm compiled applications i get something like (the error message running an hello world): /home/bedboi/a.out: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [sbox-SDK_ARMEL] file a.out a.out: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.17, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] file /lib/libc-2.3.6.so /lib/libc-2.3.6.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped I'm running Debian sid, linux kernel 2.6.16.18, scratchbox 0.9.8.8 and latest stable maemo rootstraps. Does anyone have any hints? Regards, Luca ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...
Title: Nokia 770 sources... Ok, Maemo docs sucks, the SDK sucks and the Hildon stuff looks like a colony of ants... I bought Nokia 770 because I believe OPEN SOURCE, so, Nokia is using it, isn´t? Where are the sources? The lack of docs could be covered by releasing the sources... I just wanted to build my own text editor with dead keys support for my bluetooth keyboard, but even the Maemopad example doesn't work properly (try to change font color). Unicode only works for the xterm, and worst, Notes does dead keys for screen keyboard, so, why is so hard to adapt Maemopad for dead keys? (by the way, I made a working version of Maemopad with GTK for my Linux x86 box that works as planned, so I am sure that's not me...) Nokia 770 is Debian based, Alessandro, should be great!... It´s a piece of crap, I never used because I can´t find or port applications of my interest... There´s no surprise that REAL AND USEFUL APPLICATIONS never appears at maemo repository (with some exceptions) MY SUGGESTION FOR THE NEXT RELEASE OF shitOS 2007: Forget about Hildon, forget desktop, give me a console based OS with Lynx, vim, python (python for OS 2006 appears in Maemo 2.0 repository, forget it, there´s no Python version for OS 2006, even the list isn´t properly updated) and UNICODE support, would be great if CURSES is available too, or better, with a good framebuffer driver. It would spare Nokia budget and make the plataform usefull and with lots of space... Besides, with a real open source OS and simple developing tools I would try QTopia. The exceptions mentioned above are CONSOLE and X11 programs, as python, smallbasic, octave, gnuplot... If you are a Hildon developer/mantainer pay attention: the best released applications are Console based! With no fear, Hildon sucks and it's the weakspot of Nokia 770... Someone just confirm that I can´t get Notes sources and I'll sell my useless Nokia 770 and buy Samsung Q1 (try this one if you don´t have Nokia, believe me, the lower price of Nokia doesn't beat the ease of development of a Win32 x86 platform, forget the linux, open source and free for all stuff, Nokia 770 is not that). And yes, I am pissed off... I really bought Nokia 770 for my personal business purpose, confident about the debian based OS... Hacks are good when works and when you have control (sources), otherwise it's non sense time spending... (try to discover why GTK API works in your Linux x86 and doesn't in OS2006 is a good mental exercise if you have 18 hours free per day, because nobody knows and you will never see the platform sources). My opinion is clear: Nokia 770 won´t prevail with these development policies. I won´t use it and I don´t recommend as plataform for anyone, it's just a annoying gadget, do yourself a favor and buy a PSP instead (at least runs win95 with bochs and have nice 3d games). Alessandro - unhappy owner of a nokia 770 since June/2006 Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis.This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: What's the problem with Japanese support?
Hi, On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:08:47 +0200, Christian Pernegger wrote: Hi list! The only thing keeping me from buying a 770 right now is the reported lack of Japanese support. Apparently some people had success with displaying Chinese by copying over relevant fonts, but allegedly doesn't work for Japanese. Seems to work fine here (kochi mincho Truetype font in Notes program). Is there a particular reason why displaying Japanese doesn't work? Or is it just some applications? Can I get it to work by generating an UTF-8 locale and copying a font or are the apps themselves not UTF-8 compatible? GTK2 is UTF-8 all-around. They even had to explicitly back off in order to support non-UTF8 file names _at all_ ;) What needs to be done? - create directory /home/user/.fonts/. - copy font file there - restart (-- not sure, but it's fast anyway) Note that the font has 8MB so that probably will drive RAM and Flash usage up a bit. While I could live without input for the time being - are there plans to port scim, and maybe a handwriting recognition tool like kanjipad or scim-tomoe? I have no idea... cheers, Danny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] python program hanging
Hi, Can anyone help me find out why http://www.scratchpost.org/weitw/imageviewer.py hangs on the nokia 770? I'm totally stumped, on the desktop PC it works fine. Steps: - chmod +x imageviewer.py - ./imageviewer.py /media/mmc1/some/ - press the + hardware button a few times to step through the images - no image or text is ever displayed - device hngs - device reboots /media/mmc1/some/ is supposed to be a directory with images in it. cheers, Danny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
Hi, On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:04:44 -0500, Ted Gould wrote: On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Karoliina Salminen wrote: I am now collecting some ideas for future development of the UI framework. I'm not sure if this is a framework thing, but in general, I'd like to see better offline support. I second that. I realize the goal is Internet tablet, but sometimes I like pulling the data, and reading it offline. Things like reading my e-mail on the bus or a plane. Also, syncing. I'd like to be able to sync my contacts with my phone, my desktop, etc. There is rsync. It could be preconfigured for syncing home, though... Or do you mean more? Also, as applications like Dates or GPE develop more, sync my todo list and date book also. I think that something like OpenSync could be part of the base platform -- especially from the perspective of running a background process to acknowledge requests from the external computer or phone. What do you mean by Acknowledge Requests? I start the sync program, it syncs :) cheers, Danny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] libXv and xvimagesink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Corentin, There has been some discussion of this issue on this mailing list. You may want to search the archives. To summarize the situation briefly: There is no Xv implementation on the 770. The Xserver includes the generic Xv layer implementation, and the libxv library exists, but they do nothing for you... if your application uses the Xv API, it will find no adapters because the meat of an Xv implementation is completely absent. The two core functions of Xv as far as most applications are concerned are yuv-rgb conversion and scaling. For the yuv-rgb part, it is possible to allow the 770 lcd hardware to display yuv directly.This is done using the Linux fb layer, bypassing the xserver entirely.The is all on the arm side, and does not involve the DSP at all. I have done this in my code and it is a major improvement. Check out the mailing list archives, and look at the omapfb.h file for mor information on this. For the yuv scaling, your application needs to do it itself, or perhaps you can get gstreamer to help you. I investigated a solution to do it on the DSP. I got it working but the performance was far from acceptable. It was several times slower than doing it on the ARM, and more importantly, it wasn't even fast enough to achieve real time (i.e. ~ 30fps). My plan was to combine this with the YUV fb support to implement proper xv support for the xomap server, but with the very poor performance, I gave up. Hope this helps, - -- Buck Corentin BARON wrote: Hello all, I'd like to know if anyone managed to install libXv and xvimagesink on the 770 or the same with SDL. That would be very helpful for us. Thx in advance, Corentin. -- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE8z1dPrrWIMa4SMsRAvicAKDlEctzdy9uGF/WwW6gY7e5nG96nwCeJ4JD DhgOBFiUZ9csY53hEjEk9vk= =YtDx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
Hi, On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:33:12 +0200, koos vriezen wrote: [...] The second issue is more a think-about thingy and that's the scrollbar. I think that scrollbars don't port so well for touch screens (and no mouse). Scroll keys would help but are often for other usages. I like the panning with the stylus in the body area of the web browser, though. I like the - and + buttons for page up/down and the click-to-go gauge of FBReader in rotated (portrait) mode very much for reading books. I think the old X style MMB, that when cliched actually scrolled to that position, is already a big improvement. Like the bar in FBReader? It has a gauge (progress bar) like: [###] showing the current position and if you click for example here: [###] ^ here it will scroll to that position and [## ] That's nice for wide area scrolls (like, finding a chapter). For small area scrolls, the + and - buttons are very fitting (I take it that they originally meant zoom, but in portrait mode they are just too comfortable for scrolling :)). cheers, Danny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] python program hanging
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 06:38:54PM +, Danny Milosavljevic wrote: Can anyone help me find out why http://www.scratchpost.org/weitw/imageviewer.py hangs on the nokia 770? I'm totally stumped, on the desktop PC it works fine. Steps: - chmod +x imageviewer.py - ./imageviewer.py /media/mmc1/some/ - press the + hardware button a few times to step through the images - no image or text is ever displayed - device hngs - device reboots Extreme slowness followed by a reboot are the symptoms for running out of memory. You can check that by installing either load-applet or osso-statusbar-cpu and looking at the memory usage meter in the statusbar. Marius Gedminas -- UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Future features for Maemo?
Hi, On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:47:18 -0400, vern wrote: [...] Ola, Here is *my* top 10...there is every chance that some/all of these are implemented/thought about already and I just haven't discovered them yet but like you say we are shooting for the stars,no . 2. I want working virtual desktops. I think the application switcher (taskbar) is more than enough... 4. I want a hardware button called copy and another one paste Do you really use copy+paste that often? I use it once every full moon, whilst I use scrolling every five seconds :) 6. Add a download manager - for example gwget2 - by default I vote for urlgfe. I searched for a good download manager for ages, and this is it. Not sure if the nokia 770 needs a download manager, though... Depends on the use cases :) cheers, Danny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
Hi, On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:41:51 -0500, David D. Hagood wrote: Integration of the Festival Text to speech engine as an optional component, with hooks into the RSS feed reader and mail client would be nice - that way you could download an RSS feed and have it read to you while you are doing something else. Hehehe, that's nice. Is there some kind of embedded festival package for the nokia 770 already? :) Integration of a calendaring app (e.g. GPE) with the evolution data server such that a common location for all calendaring data can be set up. ical, a remote mount point/rsync? *wonders* Sync of the internal Evolution data server with an external server, to allow syncing with Desktop Evolution. ical, a remote mount point/rsync? *wonders* [...] cheers, Danny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
Hi, On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:53:09 +0200, Johan Bilien wrote: On Fri, Aug 18, 2006, Frantisek Dufka wrote: I would also like the icons in statusbar not to be hardcoded and limited in number. If there are more status bar applets that available space I would sugest to have some light clickable arrows on left or right side and temporarily pop-up next icons down or to the left over window name. Errr. Show a overflow items popup menu, you mean :) Or maybe scroll them in place? Tiny scrollable areas are evil. This feature is being developped in Sardine as we speak nice :) cheers, Danny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
Hi, On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:53:34 +0200, Niels Breet wrote: [...] -The ability to have more than 5 icons in the statusbar or the ability to collapse them? (not sure how that would work out) If that works anything like grouping in the win32 taskbar, it works out really really bad. Grouping unrelated stuff bad. -The ability to make the left bar with icons smaller in a theme? I'm not sure how it would look when smaller, but _the ability_ can't hurt :) cheers, Danny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: What's the problem with Japanese support?
[Japanese s]eems to work fine here (kochi mincho Truetype font in Notes program). How about web sites, e. g. http://www.asahi.com/ ? GTK2 is UTF-8 all-around. Ok then - I wasn't sure if the system's really all GTK2. While I could live without input for the time being - are there plans to port scim, and maybe a handwriting recognition tool like kanjipad or scim-tomoe? Being able to use dictionaries, such as http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html http://bibiko.de/wadoku/ http://www.bibiko.de/kanji/ would be a huge selling point, seeing as a standalone denshi jiten easily costs $400, especially if imported. Hmm ... Anyway, good enough news, will see where I can get one cheap. An official statement regarding future CJK support (on the current hw) would still be great. There seems to be some interest in Japan itself, as at least one company seems to be importing the 770. Thanks, C. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] The Sardine build robot is up again
Hi, Friday the Sardine build robot died (full disk...). The q-manager was messed up as well (not clear why). As a result there have been no updates to the Sardine repository and the RSS feed. The robot is now running again and updates are already showing up in the repository and in the RSS feed: http://repository.maemo.org/sardine/rss20.xml Best regards, Carlos ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...
Nice??? I would never criticize someone that I don´t know... I am just telling some truths that others should know. I am pissed off with Nokia 770...Hildon is pure trash, that´s it... I see everyday in the list, only more bugs and flaws... Don´t you agree? Where are Hildon developers? Where are the sources? If the list is mainly for Nokia employees, sorry to say the truth: the work of support and develop OS2006 is incompetent. How they expect us to port apps with such lack of support and no system source codes? If someone hack and build another option than OS2006 I would migrate immediatelly! Even if for pure console apps... I am unhappy owner of a nokia 770... Just that, no concerns about anyone in the list or community... It´s a great hardware concept with a poor software development and policies, if someone of Nokia feel offended, no problems, every day I feel offended when I remember why I acquired Nokia 770... And I never got a reply too... And my attitude is important! As consumer is my duty to advise other possible consumers of what nokia 770 really is and what kind of problems exists. As consumer I am (I'll gently correct you) DEEPLY frustrate and angry, things costs money and I wasted mine, and worst, wasted time trying to port my apps... I work and I don´t have 18 hours per day to figure out why the Nokia API sucks... That´s not supposed to be GTK compatible? Release the sources is the natural way to evolve Maemo... Keep then and good luck for Nokia, I won´t use and won´t recommend... Now I understand Linux purists, they are right, it´s just terrible when you don´t have control... -Original Message- From: Shae Matijs Erisson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 16:44 To: Alessandro Ikeuchi Subject: Re: Nokia 770 sources... Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alessandro - unhappy owner of a nokia 770 since June/2006 Dude, be nice. The attitude you show in this post would not benefit any community. It sounds like you're angry and frustrated about something and just dumping that into the mailing list. If you attack someone, they will defend. This is not the way to get answers or make friends. -- I've tried to teach people autodidactism,| ScannedInAvian.com but it seems they always have to learn it for themselves.| Shae Matijs Erisson Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...
I am just telling some truths that others should know. I'm with you insofar as - setting up the developent environment was a bitch - it still doesn't give you the same environment as a real 770 apparently - C++ plus custom framework doesn't exactly lend itself to RAD, maybe a scripting language (python, ruby, whatever) or even Java would have been a better choice. A lot of people, me included, don't have a clue about cross-compiling or embedded development. C. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...
Ok, lets kick the dog: - try to compile with SDK_PC, then with SDK_ARMEL, well, you'll never compile again in SDK_PC... - RAD?? Are you crazy??? Even the basic C API doesn't work at all... Unicode is a mistery for me after dozens of days searching... - the best feature of my Nokia is the console xTerminal... - Maemo docs are band-aid over a femural bleeding - the best apps ported to Nokia are console based or X based... Hildon based are tragic accidents. - Java doesn´t even fit in tiny 128mb... We should mount and use as root our 1gb sd cards and liberate the rest of the memory for RAM. When Linux from scratch fits for Nokia, bye bye OS2006... - Even for a normal user the basic programs that are blunded with OS2006 are too much buggy, the community ones are truly russian roulettes. - From 5 questions the developers list evolves more 6, all without answers (where I apply to be nokia employee? I just wanna a fast look in the sources to solve my dead keys problems, after that I quit) - I AM REALLY TIRED FROM PEOPLE SAYING ABOUT THE NEXT FEATURES WHEN EVEN THE NOWADAYS FEATURES DOESN'T WORK, C'MON PEOPLE, GET REAL, HELP US TO PRESSURE MAEMO TO REALLY AID PROGRAMMERS, BECAUSE PORT APPS TODAY IS A NIGHTMARE AND FRUSTRATING TASK. - DID YOU EVER SAW A LINUX DISTRIBUTION ASKS FOR SOME KIND OF SERIAL TO AUTHORIZE THE DOWNLOAD? I NEVER... BUY A WINDOWS XP MACHINE INSTEAD, IT LACKS FREEDOM AS MUCH AS OS2006, AND YOU WON'T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH SCRATCHBOX (very good name, I scratched a lot...) AND ROOTSTRAPS. -MAEMO WON'T DESERVE TIME OR ANY KIND OF EFFORTS FROM OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S NOT OPEN, HARDLY A GOOD DEVELOPER COMMUNITY WILL EVOLVE AROUND IT. REMEMBER THAT WHEN BUYING NOKIA 770, THIS MEANS (much) LESS APPS PORTS. Alessandro - Frustrated owner of a Nokia 770 since june/06, retired Maemo amateur developer (two weeks trying to understand where hildon and GTK works), and unsuccessful user that only wanted dead keys for bluetooth keyboard (ah, the stowaway bluetooth keyboard is just great, pays for each cent) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Pernegger Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 17:56 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Cc: Shae Matijs Erisson Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources... I am just telling some truths that others should know. I'm with you insofar as - setting up the developent environment was a bitch - it still doesn't give you the same environment as a real 770 apparently - C++ plus custom framework doesn't exactly lend itself to RAD, maybe a scripting language (python, ruby, whatever) or even Java would have been a better choice. A lot of people, me included, don't have a clue about cross-compiling or embedded development. C. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bah... My future features are more realistic: -source codes; -more reliable API docs; -more reliable SDK docs; Instead of complaining about everything and blaming everyone, you could use your time to do something more productive (e.g., googling). Have you discovered one of the following pages? http://maemo.org/community/getting-involved.html https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/ http://maemo.org/platform/docs/api-index.html http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them. Best Regards, -- Eduardo de Barros Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Thunar
Greetings,Has anyone ever looked at porting Thunar over to the 770?If a direct port is unweildy, the layout of the panels look like a cleaner way of organizing the file manager on the 770.The current one is pretty good but it typically requires a whole lot of repeated scrolling and digging to find anything. It would be nice to be able to set file system bookmarks and use those rather than a fake expanding tree with the weird MyDocs/.documents abstraction that goes on currently. Also an advanced checkbox that turned the Filesystem bookmark on and off might preserve that ignorance-is-bliss feeling for those that like that sort of thing. http://thunar.xfce.org/screenshots.htmlJust a thought as it looked like a nice fit with the 770 OS and libs./Mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
Yes, I did, and none work for me... This list included. Funny, I learned a lot of GTK and it was surprisingly easy to develop on it, for Maemo even the most basic is a nightmare. Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein? I am sure that five minutes of hack and I would achieve my goals... And I am not blaming EVERYONE, only the people from Nokia, may be you, at Recife... And I blame as customer, because I bought and I paid, and this cash is supposed to pay wages for competent and skillful work, not for a crap where simple dead keys became a bad trip. And what's this? There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them. Are you kidding me? There's solid GTK docs, no doubt, but for Maemo? Even the samples are broken... Linux has thousands of apps, Maemos is around since when? Almost one year? And all we have is that pathetic list were the most useful are console based apps... It´s yours lot more? I never needed to get involved, linux docs is online, linux from scratch is available for everyone. Just read it, and read again, let´s open the damn header file if necessary... Because the sources are there as is... Alessandro Linux User since 1999 and unhappy nokia 770 owner since june/2006 -Original Message- From: Eduardo de Barros Lima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 18:56 To: Alessandro Ikeuchi Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bah... My future features are more realistic: -source codes; -more reliable API docs; -more reliable SDK docs; Instead of complaining about everything and blaming everyone, you could use your time to do something more productive (e.g., googling). Have you discovered one of the following pages? http://maemo.org/community/getting-involved.html https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/ http://maemo.org/platform/docs/api-index.html http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them. Best Regards, -- Eduardo de Barros Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 18:47 -0300, Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: ... While I certainly don't agree with the angry tone used, I have to say Maemo and the Nokia 770 have been disappointing in terms of openness. It seems to me that Nokia has opened just enough to get apps ported and/or written for the device, which in turn sells more devices, or at least that appears to be the plan. Nothing has come of recurring requests for information about the Bluetooth hardware (e.g. for headset support), Ogg Vorbis support, or Gstreamer/DSP multimedia internals in general. Some things that are missing from the Subversion repo don't even make sense, e.g. there is no hardware secrets or patents associated with them (at least as far as I know) The media player apps come to mind here. Maemo really isn't open in the sense that we're used to: like a traditional Linux distribution. It seems to be more of an SDK plus things that were required to be open, e.g. due to licensing terms. This is unfortunate, because it creates a burden on the Nokia employees working on this project. They are the only ones who can add many requested features or fix bugs, so in many cases people complain to the mail list because they cannot take care of things themselves. You don't see patch mails on the maemo-* lists. That's to say nothing of ideas people have had but been unable to implement--trivial stuff that would improve the Maemo environment but may not have been discussed on the ML. To me, the open-source economy (or whatever) that makes some projects so great doesn't work here because the community is relegated in large part to the role of application developer. The best you can do to improve some parts of Maemo is suggest it and hope someone at Nokia takes it up. These are just my impressions from informal observation and occasional participation in this endeavor. If you think I'm way off base or crazy or something, please feel free to tell me or ignore me. -- Andrew Barr | http://www.oakcourt.dyndns.org/~andrew/ Buzzword detected (core dumped) -- seen on linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...
On Mon, 2006-28-08 at 18:40 -0400, Andrew Barr wrote: On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 18:47 -0300, Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: ... While I certainly don't agree with the angry tone used, I have to say Maemo and the Nokia 770 have been disappointing in terms of openness. It seems to me that Nokia has opened just enough to get apps ported and/or written for the device, which in turn sells more devices, or at least that appears to be the plan. Nothing has come of recurring requests for information about the Bluetooth hardware (e.g. for headset support), Ogg Vorbis support, or Gstreamer/DSP multimedia internals in general. Some things that are missing from the Subversion repo don't even make sense, e.g. there is no hardware secrets or patents associated with them (at least as far as I know) The media player apps come to mind here. I'm afraid I have to echo this. There has been nothing after repeated requests about Bluetooth headset support, Ogg Vorbis support etc. This is after all an Internet tablet. I believe Nokia could be a little more forthcoming with information that could do nothing but help them sell more product. It's a bit frustrating at best. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Andrew Barr wrote: This is unfortunate, because it creates a burden on the Nokia employees working on this project. They are the only ones who can add many requested features or fix bugs, so in many cases people complain to the mail list because they cannot take care of things themselves. Just to add here: i have one of these Nokias with the broken LCD (vertical stripes). Actually i don't even believe that the LCD is broken, it looks like a wrong setting of the LCD (with the old HP pocket calculators you could tweak the contrast by pressing ON and +/-). But for the Nokia there is no LCD hardware info available, no data sheet, and so the recommended solution is to send the many broken LCD gadgets in for repair. Costs lots of money. And maybe they are all broken indeed. But i would really be glad if it would be possible to understand the hardware and to tweak control registers of the LCD. All this stuff is closed-source, and i can't see a benefit for the Nokia engineers by this policy. Regards, Hartmut (electronics engineer) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
Alessandro, I think got you already and I'll help (although you do not deserve this): I buy your device. How much do you want for it ? On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I did, and none work for me... This list included. Funny, I learned a lot of GTK and it was surprisingly easy to develop on it, for Maemo even the most basic is a nightmare. Instead of show me these crap links (that I searched many times) WHY YOU DON'T SEND ME THE Notes SOURCES, hein? I am sure that five minutes of hack and I would achieve my goals... And I am not blaming EVERYONE, only the people from Nokia, may be you, at Recife... And I blame as customer, because I bought and I paid, and this cash is supposed to pay wages for competent and skillful work, not for a crap where simple dead keys became a bad trip. And what's this? There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them. Are you kidding me? There's solid GTK docs, no doubt, but for Maemo? Even the samples are broken... Linux has thousands of apps, Maemos is around since when? Almost one year? And all we have is that pathetic list were the most useful are console based apps... It´s yours lot more? I never needed to get involved, linux docs is online, linux from scratch is available for everyone. Just read it, and read again, let´s open the damn header file if necessary... Because the sources are there as is... Alessandro Linux User since 1999 and unhappy nokia 770 owner since june/2006 -Original Message- From: Eduardo de Barros Lima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: segunda-feira, 28 de agosto de 2006 18:56 To: Alessandro Ikeuchi Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org; maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bah... My future features are more realistic: -source codes; -more reliable API docs; -more reliable SDK docs; Instead of complaining about everything and blaming everyone, you could use your time to do something more productive (e.g., googling). Have you discovered one of the following pages? http://maemo.org/community/getting-involved.html https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/ http://maemo.org/platform/docs/api-index.html http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html There are a lot more. I'm sure you'll find them. Best Regards, -- Eduardo de Barros Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- --Antonio Gomes ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop
Hi, I think we are wasting our time trying to help someone who doesn't deserve this time. Let's go back to the work and make something more productive and redirect his comments to /dev/null. There are a lot of developers developing software for 770 today. I agree with the idea of open the OS2006 and the SDK development even more, but blaming the Nokia developer isn't the right way to do this. Alessandro, if you don't like your 770, why don't you sell it to another developer in Brazil? There are a lot of people interested in 770 here and Nokia does not sell this device here yet. Thanks, Osvaldo On 8/28/06, Eduardo de Barros Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bah... My future features are more realistic: -source codes; -more reliable API docs; -more reliable SDK docs; Instead of complaining about everything and blaming everyone, you could use your time to do something more productive (e.g., googling). Have you discovered one of the following pages? [cut-a-lot-of-useful-links-to-reliable-documentation] -- Osvaldo Santana Neto (aCiDBaSe) icq, url = (11287184, http://www.pythonbrasil.com.br;) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
