Re: [maemo-developers] Java on the 770
Actually, from what I have been told by several ARM representatives its the other way around. Something in the Jazelle architecture is covered by one or more Sun patents, which means that ARM cannot disclose the architectural details to 3rd parties that isn't Sun- licensees. I believe that in view of the recent open-sourcing of Java, Sun and ARM should sit together and solve this issue so that we can use the full potential of our devices. I find this whole situation ridiculously. /Jesper On 16. Nov 2006, at 06:29, Luis Montes wrote: Mathieu Lacage wrote: On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 09:47 +0100, Jesper Zuschlag wrote: Unfortunately it doesn't seems so as the Jazelle-related code (/ src/ vm/cpu/arm/jazelle) has been removed from the PhoneME Feature release. Maybe Sun could be convinced to resolve this issue with ARM as they always points at Sun as being the source to the non- disclosure policy due to some patent issue. I find it completely ridiculous to have an undocumented instruction set on a generally available CPU, which I have told ARM at any given occasion. However, they haven't really been ready to see it from that point of view. >From a business perspective, I suspect that Sun is more interested in keeping this private as it is a way for them to extract licenses from the embedded guys and this represents quite a bit of money. Mathieu Seems more likely to me that Sun can't give away code that they have only licensed from ARM. As stupid as it may be, Jazelle specifications are proprietary to ARM and ARM is probably the one that would object to Sun releasing jazelle-related code. You'd think a hardware manufacturer would want people to be able to actually use the hardware they purchase. If we want Jazelle to work on the 770 it's up to nokia to negotiate with ARM. Thus far we have seen very little interest from Nokia in bringing a JVM to the 770. Luis ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Java on the 770
Mathieu Lacage wrote: On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 09:47 +0100, Jesper Zuschlag wrote: Unfortunately it doesn't seems so as the Jazelle-related code (/src/ vm/cpu/arm/jazelle) has been removed from the PhoneME Feature release. Maybe Sun could be convinced to resolve this issue with ARM as they always points at Sun as being the source to the non- disclosure policy due to some patent issue. I find it completely ridiculous to have an undocumented instruction set on a generally available CPU, which I have told ARM at any given occasion. However, they haven't really been ready to see it from that point of view. >From a business perspective, I suspect that Sun is more interested in keeping this private as it is a way for them to extract licenses from the embedded guys and this represents quite a bit of money. Mathieu Seems more likely to me that Sun can't give away code that they have only licensed from ARM. As stupid as it may be, Jazelle specifications are proprietary to ARM and ARM is probably the one that would object to Sun releasing jazelle-related code. You'd think a hardware manufacturer would want people to be able to actually use the hardware they purchase. If we want Jazelle to work on the 770 it's up to nokia to negotiate with ARM. Thus far we have seen very little interest from Nokia in bringing a JVM to the 770. Luis ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Q: virtual keyboard and *stealing* text selection
Hi, I am trying to determine how to get around a nagging bug associated with virtual keyboard in IT2006: I have TextBuffer/TextView widget with some text in it, and an action button to operate on a selected block of text. When I select a text block, the virtual keyboard pops up and selection is still visible. But the second I press my action button and before button's signal_click event is delivered, the selection block is cleared (deselected) and text buffer claims no selection is made on the text! Has anyone seen or dealt with this problem before? If so, is there any way to get around it? any hints would be highly appreciated, -Vlad ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] 2D Library, Vector Library or similar.
El jue, 09-11-2006 a las 12:08 +0200, ext Daniel Stone escribió: > On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 09:02:09AM +0100, ext Beth wrote: > > I am trying to make an application that will draw a floor plan, in 2D, > > so first of all I am looking for a library that fills my needs in this > > topic. > > > > I will need basic primitives, line, arcs, circles, and such similar. I > > have a bit of experience with svg but I don't know if there is a svg > > library for the 770. > > > > What will the best supported one?, This will be my very first > > graphical application on linux, so I don't know if its better a direct > > canvas approach, I hear something about cairo, and some speed > > problems, so I am a bit lost, maybe wrong in many things. > > Currently, for a full vector-based model, Cairo is the best solution. > It's not supported currently (mainly due to the speed problems you > mentioned), but I believe there are plans to eventually support it. It will be officially supported starting sometime next year. I'd say your best option is just to try it, and if it's not too slow for your needs, go ahead! Hopefully (surely) it will only get better performance-wise in the future. Cheers, Xan > > Cheers, > Daniel > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: maemo weekly news anyone?
Brian Waite wrote: Well I am starting to ramp this project up. A Garage project is getting setup to hold the work in progress and archives. I am intending to follow the following areas: maemo-developers mailing list nokia770.com IRC Maemo Planet Cool, can you document somewhere if people should contribute headlines to your weekly issue and how? Probably having a public wiki where people can suggest entries would be easiest. Spaetz ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] maemo weekly news anyone?
Hi Brian, On Wednesday 15 November 2006 15:22, Brian Waite wrote: > Well I am starting to ramp this project up. Great! > A Garage project is getting setup to hold the work in progress > and archives. I am intending to follow the following areas: > maemo-developers mailing list > nokia770.com > IRC > Maemo Planet You might also consider these: maemo-users mailing list www.internettablettalk.com regards, Armin. > I want to make sure I can not get too overwhelmed with information, but > I would be more than willing to watch other sites. So please lay them on > me and I will look into it. > > As a request, I would apprecicate a group of editors, that I could pass > out drafts to to check for quality. Any victims? Ideally, I would like > both native English and non-native English speakers as editors so I > don't use too many strange constructs. > > Thanks > Brian > > On Tuesday 14 November 2006 12:22, Brian Waite wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am a new owner of a Nokia 770. Reading the archives I saw there was > > a desire for a Summary Maemo-traffic post on a periodic basis. I would > > be willing to try to take up this charge. > > > > For some background, I have been involved in Linux embedded > > development for a long time now and currently am the active > > manintainer of the Kurobox Developers Community > > http://www.kurobox.com. My first non-professional embedded Linux > > device was the Adenga VR3 http://www.softfield.com/vr3.html circa > > 2002. Since then I stayed away from the Linux PDA world and stuck to > > applicances, ie the Kurobox. The 770 seems like a logical intersection > > of the PDA and applicance and I am absolutely hooked on its > > functionality. > > > > If anyone else was taking this up already I'll happily step back, but > > the offer stands. > > > > Thanks > > Brian > > > > ___ > > maemo-developers mailing list > > maemo-developers@maemo.org > > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- --- May the Source be with you! Linux. --- --- secure eMail: http://www.gnupg.de/ --- --- My Homepage http://armin-warda.de/ --- pgpMKpTlgeE15.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Unresolved issues (Week 45)
I would guess that this is for the forthcoming 870 (?) device that actually includes a plug for a headset. Having the ability to sense headset presence would be natural, and the codec register name sounds reasonable for a wired headset too. Larry On 11/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please also include working Bluetooth headset support or lack there of. > http://maemo.org/maemowiki/BluetoothHeadset This might be related. The new kernel includes something that can detect a headset connected to Retu/Vilma (which appears to be a nokia custom ASIC). I just took a really quick look at the code and it frobs some registers called RETU_REG_AUDTXR but they use magic constants (bad coder, no beer for you) for the value so I don't know exactly what it's doing. The register they're poking is commented as the "Audio Codec Tx register" though. It might be bluetooth or it might be something else. You might have to poke a /dev file first. I'll take another look at the code when I have time. Or someone with a bluetooth headset could just try it... .mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Unresolved issues (Week 45)
> > Here is a list of issues raised on this list I think have not been > > concluded so far, in no particular order. The easiest way to get off the > > list is to provide answers, but you can also try convincing me other > > ways. > Please also include working Bluetooth headset support or lack there of. > http://maemo.org/maemowiki/BluetoothHeadset This might be related. The new kernel includes something that can detect a headset connected to Retu/Vilma (which appears to be a nokia custom ASIC). I just took a really quick look at the code and it frobs some registers called RETU_REG_AUDTXR but they use magic constants (bad coder, no beer for you) for the value so I don't know exactly what it's doing. The register they're poking is commented as the "Audio Codec Tx register" though. It might be bluetooth or it might be something else. You might have to poke a /dev file first. I'll take another look at the code when I have time. Or someone with a bluetooth headset could just try it... .mike ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] maemo weekly news anyone?
Well I am starting to ramp this project up. A Garage project is getting setup to hold the work in progress and archives. I am intending to follow the following areas: maemo-developers mailing list nokia770.com IRC Maemo Planet I want to make sure I can not get too overwhelmed with information, but I would be more than willing to watch other sites. So please lay them on me and I will look into it. As a request, I would apprecicate a group of editors, that I could pass out drafts to to check for quality. Any victims? Ideally, I would like both native English and non-native English speakers as editors so I don't use too many strange constructs. Thanks Brian On Tuesday 14 November 2006 12:22, Brian Waite wrote: > Hi all, > I am a new owner of a Nokia 770. Reading the archives I saw there was a > desire for a Summary Maemo-traffic post on a periodic basis. I would be > willing to try to take up this charge. > > For some background, I have been involved in Linux embedded development for > a long time now and currently am the active manintainer of the Kurobox > Developers Community http://www.kurobox.com. My first non-professional > embedded Linux device was the Adenga VR3 http://www.softfield.com/vr3.html > circa 2002. Since then I stayed away from the Linux PDA world and stuck to > applicances, ie the Kurobox. The 770 seems like a logical intersection of > the PDA and applicance and I am absolutely hooked on its functionality. > > If anyone else was taking this up already I'll happily step back, but the > offer stands. > > Thanks > Brian > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Please include osso-media.server ogg probs
On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 08:04 +0100, ext Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > > Stefan explained some issues to help me to debug the thing, yes. However > the instructions on the maemo website (not wiki) are still wrong and > lead to the 100% freeze, nobody ever answered with respect to this. Ah. In case of buggy documentation, please file a bug in bugzilla https://maemo.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=documentation -- Tommi Komulainen<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Re: Please include osso-media.server ogg probs
Sebastian, Is streaming working for you or do you get the same problem? Please, make sure you are using the latest version from CVS of gst-plugins-bad and not the 0.10.3 release. Regards, Andrea >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext >Sebastian Spaeth >Sent: 15 November, 2006 09:05 >To: maemo-developers@maemo.org >Subject: [maemo-developers] Re: Please include >osso-media.server ogg probs > >Tommi Komulainen wrote: >>> I'd like to include "Ogg support via gstreamer plugin does not work >>> as documented". The problem is that if you follow the >>> installation/configuration instructions from the maemo.org website >>> (http://maemo.org/platform/docs/multimedia/getting_started.html), >>> playing ogg files will just result in a 100% CPU usage >freeze. Thanks >> >> I thought Stefan already replied to the points you had. Did I miss >> somehing? > >Stefan explained some issues to help me to debug the thing, >yes. However the instructions on the maemo website (not wiki) >are still wrong and lead to the 100% freeze, nobody ever >answered with respect to this. >(pluss osso-media-server does not seem to use gconf keys as >described there). But I'll just shut up and just mplayer in >the future. Thanks for considering this. > >> Also note I am not including threads that are already actively >> discussed as it wouldn't be really adding anything to it. > >OK, that's a fair policy. Although this issue is not as >actively discussed as I'd like it to be.. I'll shut up on this one. > >Spaetz > >___ >maemo-developers mailing list >maemo-developers@maemo.org >https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Bluetooth headset? (was: Unresolved issues (Week 45))
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 09:29 -0800, ext George Farris wrote: > Well from the web page in the link: > > Note: It appears that, due to limitations in Nokia's current Bluetooth > driver on the 770, you can not actually use a bluetooth headset. > Everything will appear to work, except that you won't get any audio out: > [WWW]http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2005-December/002191.html > > Please provide a working driver for bluetooth audio, both in and out. I'm probably just thick, but are you asking * (when) are we going to ship a product (device and/or firmware) with bluetooth audio working out of the box? * (when) are we going to ship a product (device and/or firmware) with the necessary drivers for someone else to implement bluetooth headset support? * (when) are we going to document how someone else could implement some driver? * something else? It would be much more clear and easy to pass around a mail stating something like "I want to do $this, and the easiest way to do that would be $x. But I can not do that because the 770 does not support $y and Nokia being the only one with the sources/documentation/whatnot is the only one in position to implement it. Another option would be to $z (rewriting the kernel) but that would be just too much for me. So is Nokia going to do something about $y?" Or something like that. I hope you get the idea. -- Tommi Komulainen<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] xskat and maemo fonts
On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 10:37, ext Hans J. Koch wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 15. November 2006 09:02 schrieb Ed Bartosh: > > On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 00:26, ext Hans J. Koch wrote: > > > Am Dienstag, 14. November 2006 20:42 schrieb Holger: > > > > Hi Hans, > > > > > > > > i would very like to use xskat on my Nokia 770 too. > > > > It is my favorit game. > > > > Can you tell me where can i get xskat? > > > > > > I used the binary from Debian unstable "xskat" package. Download the > > > package for ARM platform. A Debian .deb is in fact a tar archive. > > > Untar it, all you need is the binary called xskat. Copy it to your > > > 770. > > > > It will not work this way. Maemo applications aren't binary compatible with > > Debian from OS 2006 edition. Package should be rebuilt in Maemo development > > environment at least. > > Well, I have to admit I didn't try it with OS2006. Can you give a short > explanation why that is? xskat is a simple dialog-based X app which I thought > should run with any X server. Well, short explanation would be "Because Maemo OS2006 uses EABI" Here is the quote from http://www.maemo.org/downloads/releases.html: Maemo 2.0 introduces a major binary break due to the adoption of EABI toolchain and several API changes requiring porting of all existing maemo 1.1 applications to maemo 2.0 And.more detailed explanation: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort -- Best regards, Ed ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Livejournal client for 770
Andrew Barr wrote: > Is anyone aware of a Livejournal client for Maemo, or, failing that, a small > and simple GTK+ client that could be ported? I've been writing this little application called maemo-blog; however it currently only supports Blogger and MetaWeblog APIs: no LiveJournal yet (and AFAIK LiveJournal doesn't support any other APIs than their own). If you want something to port, there's Drivel[1] that could be quite easy to port, it's C and Gtk+. Or if you don't want to get your hands dirty with C, you could try BloGTK[2]. [1]: http://www.dropline.net/drivel/ [2]: http://blogtk.sourceforge.net/ -- Santtu Lakkala ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] xskat and maemo fonts
Am Mittwoch, 15. November 2006 09:02 schrieb Ed Bartosh: > On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 00:26, ext Hans J. Koch wrote: > > Am Dienstag, 14. November 2006 20:42 schrieb Holger: > > > Hi Hans, > > > > > > i would very like to use xskat on my Nokia 770 too. > > > It is my favorit game. > > > Can you tell me where can i get xskat? > > > > I used the binary from Debian unstable "xskat" package. Download the > > package for ARM platform. A Debian .deb is in fact a tar archive. > > Untar it, all you need is the binary called xskat. Copy it to your > > 770. > > It will not work this way. Maemo applications aren't binary compatible with > Debian from OS 2006 edition. Package should be rebuilt in Maemo development > environment at least. Well, I have to admit I didn't try it with OS2006. Can you give a short explanation why that is? xskat is a simple dialog-based X app which I thought should run with any X server. Hans ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] xskat and maemo fonts
On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 00:26, ext Hans J. Koch wrote: > Am Dienstag, 14. November 2006 20:42 schrieb Holger: > > Hi Hans, > > > > i would very like to use xskat on my Nokia 770 too. > > It is my favorit game. > > Can you tell me where can i get xskat? > > I used the binary from Debian unstable "xskat" package. Download the > package for ARM platform. A Debian .deb is in fact a tar archive. > Untar it, all you need is the binary called xskat. Copy it to your > 770. > It will not work this way. Maemo applications aren't binary compatible with Debian from OS 2006 edition. Package should be rebuilt in Maemo development environment at least. -- Best regards, Ed ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
