Re: N810 maemo device program open for submissions

[Tim Teulings]

Hello!

>> * How can I better promote my application in this case? Can I make a 
>> garage project page for my application? Would this make sense?
> 
> We need to help developers promoting their applications in any case,
[...]
> news or blog about it... Having a project in Garage helps, yes. 


Hmm, as asked before: In my case (and possibly others) I also have a 
sourceforge project page. So while I can make a separate garage projects 
for each of my projects it is likely that I would not use much of the 
infrastructure. Especially I would not use the subversion repository, 
since all my code is already placed at sourceforge. And I likely would 
link to my sourceforge homepage for more information and else would 
duplicate information from the sf homepage. However it still looks like 
I would profit from this so: if this is OK for you, it is OK for me ;-) 
It would be nice if external hosting sites would be integrated/supported 
better, but I would need to play a little bit more with garage to make 
concrete suggestions.

>> The Application Catalog still seems to be horribly broken.

> I wouldn't be so tough bu in any case let's evaluate

OK. That was to drastic, but in fact I plan to build initial version of 
my packages for OS2008 within the next two weeks (just need some final 
finishing touch for one package) and of course I will update the 
information in the Application Catalog. However it seems that anybody 
that looks for already existing applications for his 810 currently will 
not find them (if this package is also available for OS 2007 or 2006). 
That is at least more than "not nice" ;-)

> http://downloads.maemo.org once we have implemented the round of
> improvements to be released one of these days. See
> https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=948&group_id=106&atid=460

Sounds good :-)

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Re: maemo training

[Quim Gil]

Thanks for the offer! 

I'm preparing a Forum Nokia page in maemo.org detailing the services
offered and the points of contact so companies like yours know who to
propose something like this.


On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 15:21 +0200, ext Murray Cumming wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 15:52 +0200, Mathias Uebelacker wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > i saw that movial offers a 3 day training with maemo stuff. Is there
> > any known training facility in germany which offers a training like
> > that or is there any online training?
> 
> Openismus is based in Germany. Maybe we can offer some developer
> training.
> 
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Re: Developing for all IT platforms

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> I have a similar question on the same topic. How are people setting up their
> automake/autoconf projects? Is it possible to set up the automake/autoconf
> scripts in such a way that running ./configure will detect which SDK
> (gregale, bora, chinook) is installed and configure the project accordingly?

You shouldn't do stuff depending on the rootstrap version, but on
individual package availibility/versions. I wrote a leetle blog post[1]
over matter of supporting both chinook and mistral/bora, hildon-wise.
The same method can obviously be transferred to other libraries as well.

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Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

[Quim Gil]

Thanks for this insightful email, let's not get it lost.

On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 22:43 +0200, ext Jordi Mas wrote:
> May be makes sense to move all of this to a Wiki page (community
> localization?) and start collecting all this feedback there.

Yes, please.

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Re: Can't register to garage.maemo was: Re: N810 maemo device program open for submissions

[Darius Jack]

Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,

On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 22:43 +0100, ext Darius Jack wrote:
> Unfortunately, garage.maemo
> registration procedure doesn't seem to work nicely.
> 
> Could you kindly explain if your invitation to a program is open or
> restricted 
> to pre-selected past members of garage.maemo only ?

It's clearly open. You seem to be hitting the same issue reported by
other new users at http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2146 

Please report and follow the activity there. Think that every time you
send an email to maemo-developers (and you sent 3 in a row) it goes not
only to "Nokia Inc" but also to hundreds of users just like you. Thanks!

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Hi,

thanks again
and some explanation.
I am sending email to maemo-developers asking you and others for help.
Announcing your public Nokia 810 challenge you have made to decide to join in.
You have set terms in the name of Nokia
and one of your terms is garage/maemo.org account.

As deadline closes in a week or so there is nothing strange I followed your 
instructions and notified you and others the login bug.
There is nothing wrong to tell other in-spe applicants about login problems to 
garage/maemo.org.


As you see, I was very lucky, deciding to email you personally and cc: 
maemo-developers list , as the only answer comes from you not one of hundreds
users like me.
But not like me, as others already have got their accounts with 
garage/maemo.org and I am still staying in front of closed gateway to success.

As I see you are in charge of this maemo-developers list as well as in charge 
of maemo.org, sponsored by Nokia.

Thank you very much for your kind help but but I am already 2 days lost with my 
challenge application.

Some time ago I have contacted CEO at Nokia about my development of a special 
keyboard to Nokia cell phones and received a nice reply.

So I did hoped the same to work with garage/maemo.org, sponsored by Nokia.
Thanks again and let me try my garage/maemo.org login procedure over and over 
again.
I do hope to succeed one day finally.

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Any chance to test Kismet+GPS, pygps-bt module on Nokia 770 OS2006 ?

[Darius Jack]

Hi,

I would like to test kismet + gps on my 2 months old Nokia 770.
The same with pygps-bt module.
As it doesn't work under OS2006, any chance to have it run under OS2007HE ?
Already tested to work ok ?

Thanks.

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Keyboard operation on n800

[tj]

I have project I am starting and I needa virtual keyboard for a touch 
screen display that needs to behave a like the kiey board on the n800. 
It needs to appear when ever you select a text entry field. Is the code 
for the n800/maemo keyboard operation available/open source? Or, if it 
is not, is there somplace that has an open source project of it?

tj

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Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

[Jordi Mas]

Hello Quim,
> The current system based on logical strings and not on standard open
> source practices is open for change though, or at least not-closed to
> changes. In fact I’m willing to push this feature to the maemo roadmap.
> A problem here are the implications any change has on code, processes,
> licensing and such. Nothing that couldn’t be done but since the basic
> L10n is covered, other features tend to get higher priority and
> attention.
>   

As many other people has pointed out I think that this is a must have
step for Maemo.

> a) What is the real interest for L10n in the maemo community? What
> unsupported languages (could) have translators putting pressure, what
> apps (could) be pushing already L10n forward, what projects like the CJK
> support (could) be expanding already L10n beyond Nokia’s list of
> supported languages? (see below)
>   

I suggest to separate between internationalization (I18N) needs and
localization (I10N). There are languages that you probably could already
translate Maemo to (like all the romance languages) but probably the
support for others may require asking/lobbing for new features to the
I18N team (read here RTL or any other feature).

> b) Since the feature is about community translation, should it be
> complemented by any kind of community tools for translation? How to
> reuse what is already translated and how to orchestrate the rest.
> Different open source projects have different ways of organizing
> translations (see for instance GNOME or Ubuntu). We should find the way
> suiting our needs best.
>
> So what do you want? What do you need? Getting into details is
> appreciated. All the better if it’s in a wiki page several people can
> edit, and that is linked from maemo’s roadmap wishlist.
>   

If we use regular PO files then you can leverage all the tools,
glossaries and translation memories from other projects.

At platform level I see these main needs:

- The use of standard PO files.
- The possibility to register a new language in the system (the user can
switch to it).
- The possibility to package a deb packet with all the translations and
install it.
- Establish a process for the community can ask/lobby for I18N features.

I'm not very familiar with the platform. May be some of this kinds are
already possible.

 From the community management perspective there are many ways of
organsing it. From going to a system like Pootle or LaunchPad to more
simple approaches. One easy to setup scenario is:

- A Wiki page to list the localization teams / efforts.
- A Wiki page with the I18N requirements / needs are collected.
- A mailing list to coordinate the community I18N/L10N efforts.
- An automatic generated PO statistics files for every language, like
GNOME's Damned Lies. (nice to have)
- Access to a Subversion space to upload the translations.

May be makes sense to move all of this to a Wiki page (community
localization?) and start collecting all this feedback there.

If such a system is put in place, I can help testing the whole process
and tools help to translate (I hope with other folks) the system into
Catalan.

Regards,

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Re: Problem after scratchbox installation

[Mathias Uebelacker]

Hallo Marius,

thank you very much that solve my problem.
br
Mathias

Am Montag, den 22.10.2007, 22:11 +0300 schrieb Marius Gedminas:
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 08:56:33PM +0200, Tilman Vogel wrote:
> > Mathias Uebelacker schrieb:
> > > i edited my sources.list and get an Could not resolve
> > > 'repository.maemo.org ' error. Any hints?
> > 
> > Probably your out-of-scratchbox /etc/resolv.conf changed. Copy it to
> > /scratchbox/etc/.
> 
> Also, sometimes /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf tries to use mdns, which
> fails, since there's no libmdns inside scratchbox.  The fix is to remove
> all those mdns references until the hosts: line in nsswitch.conf reads
> 
> hosts: files dns
> 
> This used to be a common problem for Ubuntu users and older SDK
> versions.
> 
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Re: Problem after scratchbox installation

[Marius Gedminas]

On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 08:56:33PM +0200, Tilman Vogel wrote:
> Mathias Uebelacker schrieb:
> > i edited my sources.list and get an Could not resolve
> > 'repository.maemo.org ' error. Any hints?
> 
> Probably your out-of-scratchbox /etc/resolv.conf changed. Copy it to
> /scratchbox/etc/.

Also, sometimes /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf tries to use mdns, which
fails, since there's no libmdns inside scratchbox.  The fix is to remove
all those mdns references until the hosts: line in nsswitch.conf reads

hosts: files dns

This used to be a common problem for Ubuntu users and older SDK
versions.

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Re: Problem after scratchbox installation

[Mathias Uebelacker]

Hello Tilman,

thanks for your advise but i got the same error again.

br
Mathias

Am Montag, den 22.10.2007, 20:56 +0200 schrieb Tilman Vogel:
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> Mathias Uebelacker schrieb:
> > i edited my sources.list and get an Could not resolve
> > 'repository.maemo.org ' error. Any hints?
> 
> Probably your out-of-scratchbox /etc/resolv.conf changed. Copy it to
> /scratchbox/etc/. Or update your /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl such that the
> start_sbox function is:
> 
> start_sbox()
> {
> echo -n "Starting Scratchbox: "
> $SBOX_DIR/sbin/register_misc_runner && echo -n "binfmt_misc, "
> $SBOX_DIR/sbin/sbox_mount_all   && echo -n "mount."
> cp /etc/resolv.conf $SBOX_DIR/etc/  && echo -n " resolv.conf."
> echo
> }
> 
> While you're at it: some programs get confused and use /etc/resolv.conf
> inside scratchbox which is again different from
> /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf. So I recently had to do
> 
> rm /etc/resolv.conf
> ln -s /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
> 
> _inside_ scratchbox (you actually had to do this for every target).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tilman
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Re: Problem after scratchbox installation

[Mathias Uebelacker]

Hello Vicente,

here is the whole sources.list

br
Mathias

---
#maemo:essential

#gregale main. 3rd major stable release of maemo sdk in 2006,
# corresponding to release of IT2006-49-2 in December

deb http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free non-free
deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free non-free

#tableteer repo
#Contains the updates for the product image.  
# Currently there is only "mistral" section. This should be changed to
gregale if it exists
#deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ mistral user
#deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ mistral user

#scirocco extras. 2nd stable release of maemo sdk in 2006, 
# corresponding to the release of IT2006-39-14 in July.
#deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ scirocco free non-free
#deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ scirocco free non-free

#gregale extras. 
#Will contain extra packages in addition to main
deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ gregale free non-free
deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ gregale free non-free
#deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free

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> Hi Mathias, I think you must write your entire sources.list
> 
> Bye :)
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Re: Problem after scratchbox installation

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Mathias Uebelacker schrieb:
> i edited my sources.list and get an Could not resolve
> 'repository.maemo.org ' error. Any hints?

Probably your out-of-scratchbox /etc/resolv.conf changed. Copy it to
/scratchbox/etc/. Or update your /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl such that the
start_sbox function is:

start_sbox()
{
echo -n "Starting Scratchbox: "
$SBOX_DIR/sbin/register_misc_runner && echo -n "binfmt_misc, "
$SBOX_DIR/sbin/sbox_mount_all   && echo -n "mount."
cp /etc/resolv.conf $SBOX_DIR/etc/  && echo -n " resolv.conf."
echo
}

While you're at it: some programs get confused and use /etc/resolv.conf
inside scratchbox which is again different from
/scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf. So I recently had to do

rm /etc/resolv.conf
ln -s /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf

_inside_ scratchbox (you actually had to do this for every target).

Regards,

Tilman

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Re: Problem after scratchbox installation

[vicente garcia]

Hi Mathias, I think you must write your entire sources.list

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Re: Problem after scratchbox installation

[Mathias Uebelacker]

Hello Daniel,

i edited my sources.list and get an Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org'
error. Any hints?

br
Mathias

2007/10/22, Daniel Martín Yerga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> Hi.
>
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:08:13 +0200
> Mathias Uebelacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > i got an error after the scatchbox installation. I wrote a couple of
> > small tools in python direct on the 770 via ssh. Now i will build the
> > packages. So i installed the maemo environment (at first maemo 2.2)
> > by following the documentation on the maemo website. After that i
> > copied the applications into the scratchbox and start the
> > applications. I got an error during the import of gtk. The gtk modul
> > is not installed. Can anyone point me to the gtk files on the repo
> > which i must install? BTW if i remember correct this never happend
> > during installations in the past.
> >
> > br
> > Mathias
>
> You remember that python (with its modules) doesn't come installed by
> default. Well the version that comes is python 2.3.
>
> You have the instructions to install in the pymaemo page:
> http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/sdk_installation.html
>
> The instructions that come might fail due to a problem with
> python2.5-evas-dev, it seems that isn't available for x86:
>
> https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2007-October/91.html
>
>
> Cheers.
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Re: Developing for all IT platforms

[Mike Morrison]

I have a similar question on the same topic. How are people setting up their
automake/autoconf projects? Is it possible to set up the automake/autoconf
scripts in such a way that running ./configure will detect which SDK
(gregale, bora, chinook) is installed and configure the project accordingly?

Mike

On 10/18/07, Neil Jerram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Something that's been bugging for a while, and will become more
> important now that N810 is here...
>
> Is there a recommended procedure for setting up Scratchbox so that one
> can easily compile an application and build its package for all of the
> IT platforms (i.e. ideally: 770 with latest 2006 OS, 770 with HE, N800
> with latest 2007 OS, and N810 with whatever its OS is).
>
> Then, similarly, is there a recommended procedure for publishing the
> packages, and/or setting up a repository, and/or providing .install
> files, so that an IT user will easily be able to get the version of
> the package that is right for them?
>
> Many thanks,
>  Neil
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Re: Problem after scratchbox installation

[Daniel Martín Yerga]

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Hi.

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:08:13 +0200
Mathias Uebelacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> i got an error after the scatchbox installation. I wrote a couple of
> small tools in python direct on the 770 via ssh. Now i will build the
> packages. So i installed the maemo environment (at first maemo 2.2)
> by following the documentation on the maemo website. After that i
> copied the applications into the scratchbox and start the
> applications. I got an error during the import of gtk. The gtk modul
> is not installed. Can anyone point me to the gtk files on the repo
> which i must install? BTW if i remember correct this never happend
> during installations in the past.
> 
> br
> Mathias

You remember that python (with its modules) doesn't come installed by
default. Well the version that comes is python 2.3.

You have the instructions to install in the pymaemo page: 
http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/sdk_installation.html

The instructions that come might fail due to a problem with
python2.5-evas-dev, it seems that isn't available for x86:
https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2007-October/91.html


Cheers.
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Problem after scratchbox installation

[Mathias Uebelacker]

Hello,

i got an error after the scatchbox installation. I wrote a couple of small 
tools in python direct on the 770 via ssh. Now i will build the packages. So i 
installed the maemo environment (at first maemo 2.2) by following the 
documentation on the maemo website. After that i copied the applications into 
the scratchbox and start the applications. I got an error during the import of 
gtk. The gtk modul is not installed. Can anyone point me to the gtk files on 
the repo which i must install? BTW if i remember correct this never happend 
during installations in the past.

br
Mathias
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Re: maemo training

[Murray Cumming]

On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 15:52 +0200, Mathias Uebelacker wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> i saw that movial offers a 3 day training with maemo stuff. Is there
> any known training facility in germany which offers a training like
> that or is there any online training?

Openismus is based in Germany. Maybe we can offer some developer
training.

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Re: Developing for all IT platforms

[Marius Vollmer]

"ext Santtu Lakkala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I didn't find documentation for chinook .install files, [...]

Here:

http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/install.html
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Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

[API]

> Hi Jordi,
> 
> On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 21:20 +0200, ext Jordi Mas wrote:
> > Is there any way to translate the UI into a language not supported
> > directly by Nokia?
> > 
> > If not, I would be possible from the community to localize the different
> > individual PO files, build a deb pack for this language and deploy it?
> 
> As other have pointed out, there are annoyances and obstacles. I'm happy
> to help trying to remove them, though.
> 
> http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/how-to-bring-community-l10n-to-the-maemo-platform/
>  but copied here for convenience:
Recently I was asked to take a look on how easy could be automatize the 
translation of one app in the n800 (in fact this week, so this is a good 
coincidence), in concrete to galician.

The main problem is translate the current plattform, foremost because
this "not on standard open source practices" you talk about.

Anyway there are some other technical problems too. Two details I found this 
week:
  * posix-locales: you don't have a dpkg-reconfigure like in a normal debian 
 distributions, and this package only includes the maemo plattform 
required. 
 I suppose that this is to save storage space. So if you want to include a 
 new language you need to edit the package to include a new language.

 Well, probably other solution could be install the package locales,
 although I don't test if this is possible, anyone know?

  * osso-applet-language-regional: I only found one way to include a new
 language in this applet: using gconf:
 gconftool-2 -s "/apps/osso/applet/languageregional/available_languages" -t 
list --list-type string "[gl_ES]"
 
 In this way, the combo shows this extra package (well, although only
 if the locale is available, on the locale -a list, so you need to
 modify posix-locales as I say).

 But in this way you see an ugly gl_ES on the combo. This applet has some
 configuration files to configure the language name, but are compiled in
 some way, so not configurable if you haven't got the code.

 Options:
* Reimplement a totally-free version of this applet.
* Ask *someone* (who?) a way to configure it.

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Re: N810 maemo device program open for submissions

[Clemens Eisserer]

> Keeping the good tradition, we want to offer the new Nokia N810 Internet
> Tablet to the most active contributors of the maemo community, as soon
> as possible and as affordably as possible. The N810 maemo device program
> starts *now* with 500 discount codes entitling their fortunate owners to
> get a device for 99€ (or equivalent price in other currencies).

Although I am quite sure that I won't qualify for a N810 this time
(I've simply been too busy with university stuff lately) I would like
to say thank you for this developer gadges and I hope that this "good
tradition" will continue.
It allows students and other to get in touch with this funny and
interesting decive and even start programming on more or less embedded
devices.

Thanks a lot, lg Clemens
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Re: N810 maemo device program open for submissions

[Andrew Flegg]

On 10/22/07, Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> General answer to anybody concerned about getting or not a discount code
> (and please don't quote me): this is like sex, the more you are
> self-conscious and concerned the more your risk to fail. Just relax and
> keep sharing your maemo love. :)

Damnit: some of us are married ;-)

Cheers,

Andrew

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Re: Can't register to garage.maemo was: Re: N810 maemo device program open for submissions

[Quim Gil]

Hi,

On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 22:43 +0100, ext Darius Jack wrote:
> Unfortunately, garage.maemo
> registration procedure doesn't seem to work nicely.
> 
> Could you kindly explain if your invitation to a program is open or
> restricted 
> to pre-selected past members of garage.maemo only ?

It's clearly open. You seem to be hitting the same issue reported by
other new users at http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2146 

Please report and follow the activity there. Think that every time you
send an email to maemo-developers (and you sent 3 in a row) it goes not
only to "Nokia Inc" but also to hundreds of users just like you. Thanks!

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Re: maemo training

[Quim Gil]

We plan to release maemo training materials free of use (beer & speech).
They are not ready yet, but soon.

There is a growing number of training courses, specially since the
introduction of maemo as supported platform by Forum Nokia. We are
putting in place a calendar where all the maemo related activities
should get proper visibility in maemo.org and Forum Nokia.

Thanks for the interest!

On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 15:52 +0200, ext Mathias Uebelacker wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> i saw that movial offers a 3 day training with maemo stuff. Is there
> any known training facility in germany which offers a training like
> that or is there any online training?
> 
> br
> Mathias 
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Re: N810 maemo device program open for submissions

[Quim Gil]

Hi there,

General answer to anybody concerned about getting or not a discount code
(and please don't quote me): this is like sex, the more you are
self-conscious and concerned the more your risk to fail. Just relax and
keep sharing your maemo love. :)

On Fri, 2007-10-19 at 19:14 +0200, ext Tim Teulings wrote:
> * When will my profile (and the related links) be evaluated?

We don't plan to look anything with selective eyes before the deadline
for submissions. Don't expect us to go through all your (plural) related
links, though.


> * Is the sourceforge link in the profile meant to be a link to my 
> personal source "users" page or to a sf web page for my project(s)? I'm 
> asking because the users page does not tell that much (and it looks like 
> I can only publish my skills if I enter a resume :-/).

We are helping maemo users to link to their alter egos, so we are asking
about your SF profile if you want to provide it. It looks like
http://sourceforge.net/users/YourId and it tells at least the projects
you are involved in SF. Fair enough.


> My application only occur in the Application Catalog.

The idea is to integrate all the data retrievable from the *.maemo.org
services and show it in your profile (if you wish). I don't know how far
we can go before the end of the N810 maemo device program but it's not
the thing that worries me more either. We have gone through two device
programs without user profiles. We are developing the user profiles per
se, not only because of this program.


> * How can I better promote my application in this case? Can I make a 
> garage project page for my application? Would this make sense?

We need to help developers promoting their applications in any case,
yes. Go through the Quality Awareness checklist, offer your packages in
extras, offer a nice product page in downloads.maemo.org with
screenshots and detailed description, make sure at least your friends
try your software and comment on it, offer channels for feedback, write
news or blog about it... Having a project in Garage helps, yes. 

Note that there is software for maemo that is not following almost any
of the previous steps and yet it is popular and successful, so don't
take this as a single rule.



> The Application Catalog still seems to be horribly broken.

I wouldn't be so tough bu in any case let's evaluate
http://downloads.maemo.org once we have implemented the round of
improvements to be released one of these days. See
https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=948&group_id=106&atid=460

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Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

[Quim Gil]

Hi Jordi,

On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 21:20 +0200, ext Jordi Mas wrote:
> Is there any way to translate the UI into a language not supported
> directly by Nokia?
> 
> If not, I would be possible from the community to localize the different
> individual PO files, build a deb pack for this language and deploy it?

As other have pointed out, there are annoyances and obstacles. I'm happy
to help trying to remove them, though.

http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/how-to-bring-community-l10n-to-the-maemo-platform/
 but copied here for convenience:

The current system based on logical strings and not on standard open
source practices is open for change though, or at least not-closed to
changes. In fact I’m willing to push this feature to the maemo roadmap.
A problem here are the implications any change has on code, processes,
licensing and such. Nothing that couldn’t be done but since the basic
L10n is covered, other features tend to get higher priority and
attention.

Like in other major features, showing interest, lobbying and providing
winning arguments help the internal advocates increasing their priority
and relevance in our planning work.

Two questions that float around are:

a) What is the real interest for L10n in the maemo community? What
unsupported languages (could) have translators putting pressure, what
apps (could) be pushing already L10n forward, what projects like the CJK
support (could) be expanding already L10n beyond Nokia’s list of
supported languages? (see below)

b) Since the feature is about community translation, should it be
complemented by any kind of community tools for translation? How to
reuse what is already translated and how to orchestrate the rest.
Different open source projects have different ways of organizing
translations (see for instance GNOME or Ubuntu). We should find the way
suiting our needs best.

So what do you want? What do you need? Getting into details is
appreciated. All the better if it’s in a wiki page several people can
edit, and that is linked from maemo’s roadmap wishlist.

FYI the OS2008 supports Brazilian Portuguese, Danish, Dutch, English
American, English British, Finnish, French, French Canadian, German,
Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Latin American Spanish
and Swedish. The Nokia N810 hardware keyboard has the following
variants: English, German, French, Italian, Russian, Spanish-Portuguese
and Scandinavian.

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