Re: Crash reporting (was: Package promoting)
There's been a Crash reporter available for several years Maemo releases, it's even open sourced: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/crash-reporter http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/c/crash-reporter/ I have never been able to get this to work: Every time I have a crash report and try to submit it, I get a Nitro: Failed to connect error. I've tried having the network up, but looking at the tcpdump's it looks like all I am getting it errors from the server. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
IO schedules other than noop?
I run my N800 with root on an SDHC card (to get a bit more room on root), and I've notices quite a few cases where the system becomes unresponsive due to mmcq blocking for a long time. I'd guess that when a lot of writes get flushed to the card, the system can backlog while the card writes the data. Has anybody played with IO schedulers other than the NOOP scheduler? It seems to me that perhaps using deadline, with writes having a large deadline and read a small deadline might help address this. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Samba support dropped (was Re: N810 WE)
On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 08:40 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: ext David Hagood wrote: OK, fair enough, but then here's what I see Nokia needs to do in order to enable that: Thanks for the input! Do you mind filing enhancement requests at http://bugs.maemo.org for both tasks? This way we can chase better the owners. Done: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4025 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4026 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Samba support dropped (was Re: N810 WE)
From previous comments by Nokia, the reason that SMB support is being dropped is that Gnome VFS support is being dropped, and that was how SMB was being supported in the previous versions. OK, I can understand that: I always felt that userspace was the wrong place to manage file systems anyway. Also in previous comments, Nokia has indicated that they feel that adding support for things like SMB/CIFS can be handled by the community. OK, fair enough, but then here's what I see Nokia needs to do in order to enable that: 1) Provide a reasonable means to supply kernel modules against the stock kernel as supplied by Nokia in the official repositories. The community cannot provide anything if the next update from Nokia will break everything by removing the needed kernel modules. I would suggest that for in-tree kernel modules there needs to be a means by which the community can identify what modules are of interest, and those modules can be added to a list of modules that will be automatically built when a new kernel is build, and each module then be packaged as a separate package which can be added as a dependency of any package that needs it. For out of tree modules, there needs to be a good way the community can provide a package to Nokia such that the out-of-tree module can also be built and made available. 2) Provide (AND DOCUMENT) hooks into the file manager and file selector dialogs for the following events: a) enumerate file systems b) select an enumerated file system. Such that a user provided module can add potential new file systems to the file manager dialog, and interact with the user when one of those file systems is selected. Then the community can write code to add file systems to the tablet. Use case 1: Home user with windows network. User wants to view a media file served from a Windows PC sharing a folder via CIFS (Microsoft networking) as \\PC\MEDIA. User opens the Media Player on the Device. User opens the File Selector. File Selector lets all Modules know a file system enumeration is in progress. CIFS Module enumerates all available CIFS servers (in this case, the Windows PC), and adds them to the File Selector File Selector shows something like: N900 Videos Audio Other CIFS PC MEDIA User selects PC\MEDIA. File selector informs CIFS Module. CIFS Module prompts user for any needed information (user to log in as, password). CIFS Module saves any data needed for later. CIFS Module mounts \\PC\MEDIA and informs File Selector where that is. File Selector shows the user the files. User selects file Media Player loads file and plays it. NOTE: It may be that the CIFS module handles enumeration of file systems in the background, and even automatically mounts known file systems without user interaction. This could be extended to NFS (discovery via Zeroconf), SSHFS, or anything else. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Access to tablet via Bluetooth ftp
On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 23:37 +0300, Arkady Glazov wrote: Hi, My TomTom Go 920 can send files only by ftp bluetooth profile. But on 2008 I cannot find this profile. May be exist additional software that get it? Your best bet would be to install sobexsrv and set it up. By default the Maemo firmware doesn't have the Bluetooth FTP protocol as a server. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Looking for microb-browser with SVG enabled
Dear all, I just got the OS2008 on my Nokia N800 and I love the pre-installed microb-browser. Unfortunately, the SVG feature is NOT enabled by default. It would be great if anyone of you can share a pre-compiled copy with the SVG enabled. Thanks a lot nt901 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1704 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: One question about speech2text poor performance
I'd ask this of the Nokia folks: what do you guys use in the cell phones? I'm sure it is a commercial package, but it would be interesting to know. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: R: One question about speech2text poor performance
On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 17:07 +0200, Eero Tamminen wrote: This list is for Nokia internet tablets and their Linux based maemo software. Your question is about Nokia phones which run S40 and S60 (Symbian OS) based software. Forum Nokia would probably be more appropriate place to ask. I am well aware of the purpose of this list. However, the idea is that there does exist good speaker independent speech recognition software in other Nokia products, that might be applicable to the Internet Tablet line. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: RFC: Proposal to solve multiple repository, poor QA situation
May I suggest that the uploads consist of source, not pre-built binary .deb's? This helps in several ways: 1) it helps reduce (but not eliminate) the risk of trojans. 2) It helps when a newer version of the system comes out, as the source is guaranteed to be available. 3) It eases the signing of packaged by a trusted authority. 4) It helps guarantee the requirements of the package are consistent with the current release. 5) It forces developers to make their code build cleanly and easily. And now I'm going to say something that will probably draw great ire from some folks: When a program is being evaluated for inclusion, the presence of any compiler warnings in the build should be taken as a red flag. Programmers who take the time to make their code compile cleanly with -Wall -Wextra -Werror -fmudflap tend to have fewer errors in their code. Compiler warnings are rarely just warnings - they are errors, bugs waiting to happen. I'm not saying non-zero warnings := rejection, but it should be taken as an opportunity for constructive feedback to the programmer. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Details on SVG support status on N810 browser ?
On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 11:09 +0100, Laurent MARTIN wrote: It's back and says no SVG support for the Mozilla browser on maemo. But things may change: see 4.4 of the same page (http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/browser_paper.html#s4.4). https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1704 I was told to find 500 web sites that require SVG and the bug was resolved INVALID IMHO that makes it harder for other people to contribute to the bug by listing other sites that require SVG, thus insuring that the bug will never have enough support to actually be scheduled. IMHO it should have been marked FUTURE so that people could find it easily. I'd suggest if this is important to the readers of this list they go and start adding web sites to that bug. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Audio in on N800 and N810
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What software are you using for PSK-31? Interesting. I had wanted to port GMFSK over, but haven't had the time. What I was hoping to do was to use USB master mode to drive an external serial port and external sound device. Do you have any ideas on the CPU loading the FFT and PSK modem cause? I've thought about what it would take to port them to the DSP to peel some load off the ARM core. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Audio in on N800 and N810
What software are you using for PSK-31? 73 de N0YKG ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Does the 770/N800 xserver accept tcp-connections?
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 23:44 +0200, Clemens Eisserer wrote: Hello, Does anybody know wether the N800's x-server does support tcp-connections? As far as I could imagine I fear not because of security concerns.. Yes and no. The actual program does, but it is started with a -nolisten tcp which disables that functionality. If you go into the startup script for it and remove the nolisten option then it will accept X connections. However, what is your use case for this? In most cases, if you are accessing a remote X client, you are doing so by SSH (at least I should hope so!) and in that case SSH's X forwarding will work without opening up the TCP server side. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Cannot install osso-rtcom-beta 1.0.1, missing evolution-data-server = 1.4.2.1r554-3.1
I cannot get the rtcom beta to install, as it keeps complaining that evolution-data-server = 1.4.2.1r554-3.1 is missing and cannot be found. I've tried refreshing the app list, and running the apt-get command manually, to no avail. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Cannot install osso-rtcom-beta 1.0.1, missing evolution-data-server = 1.4.2.1r554-3.1
2007/7/18, David Hagood [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I cannot get the rtcom beta to install, as it keeps complaining that evolution-data-server = 1.4.2.1r554-3.1 is missing and cannot be found. I've tried refreshing the app list, and running the apt-get command manually, to no avail. See http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-July/010915.html for details on this issue. -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi However, I have removed contacts, and the problem persists. AND, I have tried to explicitly install evolution-data-server 1.4.2.1.r554-3, and it is NOT in any of the repositories. It is NOT a situation of cannot install because of conflict, but cannot install because it doesn't exist! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Cannot install osso-rtcom-beta 1.0.1, missing evolution-data-server = 1.4.2.1r554-3.1
I finally managed to get a big enough hammer to drive the upgrade through. It turns out that the older farsight libraries don't get automatically removed when you attempt to install the newer libraries. What I did was to drop to a root shell, then try apt-get install osso-rtcom-beta Note the missing libraries apt-get indicates (which are different than what the application manager says), then directly download them from the rtcom-beta repository. Then attempt to install each library via dpkg. For each library, dpkg will complain about attempting to overwrite a file owned by another package (the older version of the package). dpkg -r the offending package, then install the new package. Then once again try the apt-get install osso-rtcom-beta, and iterate until it succeeds. I'd suggest the next time the new libraries are built, it might be wise to have the .deb indicate that they obsolete all previous versions of the library. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
WTF!?! Camera did not support taking movies?
I submitted the following bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1638 The camera app in the latest software, while behaving MUCH BETTER for taking still pictures, no longer seems to support recording movies. If this feature is being deleted for some reason it would be nice if it were noted somewhere, like in the camera help. I received the following reply: RESOLVED INVALID: Camera application did not support video before and does not support it now. It's just for taking still pictures. What the FSCK? The camera application MOST CERTAINLY DID support taking movies (albeit at a very low resolution) in the 2006 release. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Features to improve the platform
On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 10:36 +0300, Kalle Valo wrote: Yes, that's a problem. Does USB support multiple profiles at the same time? What I'm after here is that N800 would have both USB mass storage and usbnet enabled concurrently. That would be really cool. Yes, USB can have a different class for each interface, with multiple interfaces within a given configuration - so you can have an device with multiple configurations, one configuration offering USB storage, one offering USB networking, one offering USB serial, and one offering all of the above, each on different endpoints. However, I don't know how well certain program launchers masquerading as operating systems would handle such devices, and I think that's why most devices restrict themselves to only one interface per configuration. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Can .desktop files live under /home/user?
On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 09:57 +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote: If the device doesn't properly implement the Linux desktop standard, please file a bug. It does not: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1303 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Localhost unavailable when wi-fi offline or not connected
On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 11:11 +0300, Kalle Valo wrote: ext Mike Cowlishaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While trying to test this on an aeroplane at the weekend -- with Wi-Fi offline, of course -- the browser would not connect to the server. I've since experimented further and find a similar (or the same) problem occurs online if no Wi-Fi connection is active. This is a showstopper for my application as it means I cannot easily view my data unless online and connected -- is there a fix/workaround? The current method Maemo uses to detect an application wanting to access the Internet (by using ld.so tricks to hook into the socket() call) seems kind of kludgy to me - why not use the same sort of trick that PPP uses, where a network interface always exists and is tied to the default route, and when a packet is delivered to that interface for routing THEN bring up the appropriate connections. It would take modifications to the kernel - ideally some sort of DBUS message when a packet needs to be routed - but this would remove the need to hook into applications, and allow ANY app to generate a request for connection. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Localhost unavailable when wi-fi offline or not connected
On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 14:48 +0300, Kalle Valo wrote: It would take modifications to the kernel - ideally some sort of DBUS message when a packet needs to be routed - but this would remove the need to hook into applications, and allow ANY app to generate a request for connection. Sounds a bit complicated to do this in kernel. How would the application notify that it doesn't need the connection anymore? You don't do it ALL in the kernel, hence my statement about DBUS. All the kernel needs to do is provide DBUS messages for: Outbound packet detected with interface down More than $TIME has elapsed without an outbound packet. You could probably plug into iptables for this - just have an iptables plugin for generating a DBUS message on a matching packet. This has the advantage of being a nice general tool, which can be used for other things (e.g. notification of the firewall blocking a packet) as well. You then have an application watching for that event, and bringing up the connection dialog when needed. Once the connection is established, the application then: Signals the kernel to retry the packet Disables the iptables rule if needed. Watches the packet count on the interface to determine activity. When the packet count does not increase for some period of time, re-instate the iptables rule and down the interface. Of course, if the user forces the interface up directly, then all that becomes moot - you leave the interface up until it fails, or until the user tells you otherwise. Sounds a bit complicated to do this in kernel. How would the application notify that it doesn't need the connection anymore? The whole problem here is that the application *cannot* make the decision about whether the connection is needed, as it simply does not have the information needed. The application may know it wants to talk to a server, but the application may not know if that server is local to the device or remote, and requiring a connection - the browser being a perfect example of this. The browser would have to evaluate every host's address to determine routability - but that in and of itself may or may not require bringing up the interface to do a DNS query, and there is no way for the browser to know that until it does the query. And how can the application decide it does not need the connection? Again, to pick on the poor browser - how does the browser know that it is done loading the page? What if there is a META refresh on the page? What if there is AJAX running? All the application can say is that *at this moment* it doesn't need a connection. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: A Pitch for making SAMBA Server a core part of the N800 OS
I don't think that Samba the server would be a great idea in the Maemo environment. It introduces a security risk when the device is roaming - you would be sharing your files with whoever happened to be in the cybercafe/truck stop/library/* when you connected. Also, since Samba is just a user-space app, there is little reason a user who wants to add it cannot do so. However, I *would* like to see the CIFS/SMB file system modules be a standard part of the released kernels, and would like to suggest that support for finding servers on the local network be added to the file manager, just as Bluetooth and UPnP shared media is now (in the N800 release, anyway). Let's face it - most N800 owners will have Windows PCs: if the N800 can find those machines and access shared media on them it would go a long way to making the Maemo platform much more useful for many people. Of course, I'd also like to see NFS and Novell-over-IP clients in the kernel, and support for discovery of them added as well, as that would really Maemo shine in a corporate environment (along with a mail client THAT SUPPORTS IMAP SUBFOLDERS AND LDAP!, but that's off-topic.) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Wishlist
I wold also like to see the ability for some programs, like Maemopad, to extend the handwriting recognition out to the desktop - in other words, I'd like to be able to write on a line in Maemopad, and if the system recognizes my atrocious handwriting, convert it to ASCII. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N800 and USB host mode
Andreas Hubel wrote: Perhaps, you don't need USB as the Nokia 770 and N800 each have an speaker and microphone. Okay the microphone at 770 has no jack, but as far as i now at N800, but you could also use a bluetooth headset to get a line in ;-) Bluetooth compresses the audio, destroying the phase relationships upon which the data is encoded - so Bluetooth in would not work. While one could theoretically use the N800 headphone jack to interface to the radio, you would then have to be ABSOLUTELY certain that nothing other than the GMFSK program were generating audio. And as serial device you could use the serial port at the backside pins of the device, at least for n700 the pin layout is public. And you then have to remove the back of the unit, kludge up the serial interface... Not exactly what I am after. What I want is a simple package, not a Rube Goldberg device. Additionally, eventually it would be nice to use one of the OFDM high-bitrate modems for HF and the Speex vocoder to do digital voice over HF - which requires both audio I/O to the radio AND audio I/O to the user. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
N800 and USB host mode
Has anybody played around with trying to get the N800 to support USB host mode? Yes, I know that this won't work without a modified USB hub to inject +5V onto the USB port. The reason I ask is that I was planning on trying to port a program over, and I'd really like to have USB host mode support for the program (GMFSK, a program for amateur radio operators to do digital signaling over HF, and I really need both an extra USB audio device and a USB serial device to get the maximum benefit out of the program.) At first glance, it looks like building the kernel with the OMAP OTG support might just work, but I was curious is anybody else had tried this. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Enriching the Application Manager scripting experience
I hope you are planning on at least a DTD for this, if not a more advanced schema such as RelaxNG. This would allow you to define the grammar in a rigorous fashion, so that those of us who need to parse or create your files can use the standard libXML2 tools to insure our files are both well-formed and correct. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] radio?!
Nokia JUST released an application that activates an FM radio chip in the unit. No, this isn't an April Fools - I'm listening to FM radio on my N800 right now. The application plugs into the desktop, so you have to activate it on the desktop rather than from the application menu. Nokia really kept that one under their hats - kudos. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] radio?!
For me, it just showed up in the applications manager when I did a refresh. The license seems to be a closed license from Nokia - however, the drivers are all exported to userspace, so I would guess that you could roll your own pretty easily. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Fake IAP connection or how to use local web applications
It seems to me that the approach used by demand-dial PPP would be the better fit here: 1) Create a network interface that is the default route. The presence of this interface does NOT imply the connection is actually up. 2) Upon a packet being routed to the interface, THEN search for the connection and bring it up. This has a LOT of advantages: 1) Server applications can listen on 0.0.0.0 and not be bringing the interface up. 2) No hackery with the libraries - a standard application can cause the interface to come up. 3) The system can move between networks more cleanly - only applications which bind to the actual interface address will be messed up, applications binding to 0.0.0.0 will work. Ideally, what I think would be best would be if the upstream Linux kernel driver for WiFi would allow this sort of behavior (as this is a problem for ANY Linux + WiFi system), and the kernel would send out DBUS messages to indicate that a connection is needed - then a user space agent could do the work of locating the connection and setting it up. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Problems with devel order in US?
I was one of the lucky ones to receive a discount for the Developer's kit, and placed my order Friday. However, the order seems stuck - checking the order status yields: Nokia Mobile Phones and Accessories The following item(s) have STATUS: DateItemPrice Qty Total Tracking Number 01/25/2007 Nokia N800 Internet Tablet (N8 $399.99 1 $399.99 01/25/2007 Nokia N800 Internet Tablet Dev $0.00 1 $0.00 (The Status seems to be ) Is this just that it hasn't been shipped yet, but is being processed, or is something wrong? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
