long name package problem
Howdy! Last 2 weeks or so I have a problem to see updated files in graphical application manager. Names for ubuntu files are so long, that it makes it impossible to format correctly. Manager formats from right to left. The size and version are shown, no space for name left on the screen. The apps in question are faad (libfaad2, libmp4...). Nokia 770, gregale. I'd like the maintainer to shorten the names of files. In this moment it riuns the usability of app manager. Best regards Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: web based local application GUIs
1.) Rpc (aka web services) 2.) Dbus 3.) Direct SQLite DB interaction Whatever motivation was, I second the idea to use 770/800/810 as device as user wants. Even smaller computers have place under the sun for more ambicious tasks. Web services could be love/hate, they solve the problem making different os-s share the project or business. Talking about web, I think ajax is nowadays must-have for success at first-time-visit customers. Btw, daemons and services could be less demanding than multimedia usage of the device. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: installation of perl:PDL
Back in time, there were reports in this forum of somebody (Xavier Calvet) who successfully installed perl:PDL in maemo. But I can't! there is no CPAN nor MakeMaker, so I am left to following make-ing instructions by hand. If you have module somewhere handy, could you just put it to be in the path? Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: New release of Python2.5 for Maemo
I have my mother in mind, who isn't even going to subscribe to maemo-developers, let alone even consider writing code. device is sold to a far wider audience: I suspect more people have bought it from Nokia shops and the like (one of the main telcos advertises it in newspapers here), than people from maemo-developers. That are the facts. Also is the fact that nokia doesn't make easy to people to have their's own opinion. I agree that 770/800 is not the box developers assume as os for making everything in life. Looks like pretty multimedia gadget for yanger population. There you make money and nothing could change that. For making something like real time os, having python, perl at al, one should remove graphical apps and do what he/she wants. As I did. I recall os like qnx, rtos for embedded devices. It is free in version 6.2.1 and 6.3 for non commercial use. If people donate their time and passion, don't treat them like a children. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Boot bora as root
still no luck on getting application installer to run as far as some programs not working when unning as root per Zoran's comment, I see no reason why they shouldn't (I accept that they might not, but they probably should IMO) ... these internet tablets have a LOT of potential . the more mature and closer to a multi-user environment It was not easy to me to understand the logic behind the gadget first time I fired it up. Sudoers bridged two worlds the way I didn't expect. I simply stoped to compare 770 to desktop and all ghosts gone. Now I see Chris' attempt as an effort to free the hidden power. He probably changed so many files' permissions and ownerships, that he could not recall it even under hypnosis. I assume that might be easier to trouble- shoot from command line, starting from brand new bora. One step at time. If root has /root and /user/root, it could bring headache to apps, that don't have environment variables set. Finally, yes, I see a lot of restrictions as ass savers. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Boot bora as root
That was my assumption also. I changed the occurances of use/users (one occurance of systemui/users) to root/root in the init scripts so I changed out all the references to /home/user to /home/root and made a symlink from /home/root to point to /root I then copied over (without overwrite) all the /home/user/.stuff over to root's home dir I'm booting as root now something onto the mameo wiki ... what say everyone? What was the real reason for that? I second your wish for login option. But, it is far away from all power root all the time. There exist programs that cannot work as root. In case you don't go wireless, you could play as you like, no harm. I envision troubles when particular app tries to fork and finds wrong permission. Anyway, if you have fun, it's your playground. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: No more 770 bug activity?
- As Carlos Guerreiro has pointed out previously, there are no plans to make any new official release for the 770. There is the IT OS hacker edition, but it's not official and the official development in Nokia is currently focused in the maemo 3.x, IT OS 2007 and what is coming next. This means that from our side there is no official 770 bug activity. This perception is understandable considering what has happened to the 770. Let me just state that the current status of this first product is the result of a lack of better support planning specific for the Internet Tablets. Not an effect of a kind of business model thinking that customers will go for a new device every year. Be sure that all folks on this list do understand Nokia's point of view. I could even go further if Pluton is not planet anymore. People loose more than this gadget, so no tragedy at all. As follow-up, fs with closed drivers, wm, console and really small kernel with _all_ modules somewhere in repository would suffice. Eager developers fulfill the holes (Simon says). Why should you close the door, that don't exist? Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
lfm failure
Howdy! I have a problem, trying to get lfm file manager up. It is written in python and needs curses. Curses are copied from my desktop system as directory. Now I have error with message: cannot import nameMissingReplyHandlerException In this moment I have no clue where to go next. Does someone use lfm on 770 and 39-14? Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Xephyr dependencies stop progress...
Thanks to Paul Klapperich's suggestion, I was able to use 'alien' to create an RPM file out of the DEB file. Now I am back in dependency hell. Xephyr depends on error: Failed dependencies: libXau.so.6 is needed by xserver-xephyr-1.1.1-21 libXdmcp.so.6 is needed by xserver-xephyr-1.1.1-21 libfontenc.so.1 is needed by xserver-xephyr-1.1.1-21 even after installing libXdmcp-1.0.1 That's the fun of life. Anyway, would be fine to make a little investigation in this direction, prior to install. Almost all apps have manuals and depend lists in readme or similar. I recall myself, when I installed tones of libs, just to have not so useful program, that I removed few days later. Some sys- tems have ports and all info in Makefile and pkg-descr. Not linux, you know. Debian gives it, when you try to find app in repository. I want to say that you could automate the process, for the sake of your nervs. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N800 and USB host mode
Has anybody played around with trying to get the N800 to support USB host mode? Yes, I know that this won't work without a modified USB hub to inject +5V onto the USB port. Not the answer to question. Just like to get more info on the subject. I've found cable with 5 pins for the 770 side and two usb-s for data and power on the other. Powered usb hub is not hard to find. What exact file or files should be changed by the hand to make equivalent to flasher in enabling usb host mode? Cannot say for 800 since I don't have it, but two gadgets look different in a lot of details. Do I have a correct feeling that 800 cannot be powered down at all? Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Programmatically Enabling Hardware Keys
Howdy! In x server it is possible to use xev to find correct button identifi- cation. Then, using xmodmap, to map them to appropriate function. I'm not sure does it work on 770; have to take a look on binaries. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: becomeroot once again but with password
To have a free access user make completely superfluous to use a private-public key pair to ssh to root. Anybody can see both the private and public, what is the need of authentication? One plus is that only you know the passphrase. Better then nothing. If user or is without a true password and can be accessed from ssh, anybody on the lan (on the lan because they need to know your ip) can take the control of your tablet. If I understand well, it goes for user in front of the screen. When that user tries to connect remotely, he needs ssh authentification, from password or key. a robber will see also all your sent and received mails. Dude way would be to connect to port 995 via ssl. Some isp thinks it is not important. I see that port 585 is dedicated to imap-ssl. In any case the better for these mobile things is encrypted filesystems, on my other computers I use fuse+encfs, it would be nice Memory footprint and flash rub come to mind. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Security Guidance for N800 OS development
I mention this because, as more Internet aware/dependent applications are developed for the N800 (it is an Internet tablet after all) the attack surface for the product will increase. I have asked previously about whether or not the N800 has a stateful firewall but so far the answer seems to be no. ... because it would be pointless. Anyone opening passive sockets on such a device really needs so much more than mere firewalling. In general, I've found firewalling on Linux to be a waste of time if the idea is to protect the machine itself, even if you do have passive sockets open. In principle, the layer of software doing the stateful inspection is essentially the same software doing the processing - packets arriving which are in the wrong state get discarded *anyway*. Just cannot say how much I disagree! Well, where's the input coming from? This is typically only a security problem with multiuser systems or open network services. Malicious payloads (like, say, email, web pages) can cause issues, but in general they're much less of a serious issue, and they're certainly no different to any other platform. Disagreement again. I'm just really not clear that this is as much of a big deal as you seem to think, and I can't see anything specific to Maemo which needs addressing. If anything, the 770/N800 are a lot more secure than the average Linux box, let alone the average computer. Kh-kh! Candid camera? Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Security Guidance for N800 OS development
#!/bin/sh echo your system is now secured Works! Man! Thank you! I take back all I sad about security. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: MMH project started
After reading some documentation, I've found ready solution for those, who use mutt. App called msmtp is available for sending mail to smtp server. If queue is needed, msmtpqueue scripting method could solve the issue. To use it, in .muttrc should be added line to what binary to send. (Default is /usr/sbin/sendmail.) For unencrypted pop at port 110, the fastest fetcher is by no doubt perl script pop-perl5. All those enables low footprint, for on and off line. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: MMH project started
procmailrc uses a very complicated syntax. So I am pretty sure I will skip it, probably in favor of maildrop. I used fetchmail and put the stream to sendmail/postfix on the 25 port. It could hand it to maildrop for sure. I don't think that fetchmail can do it alone. How do you configured on nokia? (and I did succeed for example in getting mail from gmail) I do it regularly from port 995 with getmail. I was thinking about nmh (hence the name 'mmh'). Looks intriguing. But cannot find proper docs. Have you installed it on 770? (Scirocco in my case.) It is a set of command line tools to 'handle' mails. Handling means also sending it directly to the remote MX (so to fill up the gap on sending e-mails). As stream or from file? I use mbox to store. Mutt could pipe. Has an option to set outbound server/service/sendmail. In the case the user wants a delayed deliver, I can simply use at Defer option in postfix or similar sounds little better? 'nmh' is quite big and python is big also. Python 2.4. How big nmh is in real life? Deb file is 1.6. I am aware of little mail senders, but I still prefer the nmh path as it also gives me mail handling. OK. Just thought. I might have them both. Looking for info on the net. What do you get with nmh in this moment? Hey! What os? Does it work on scirocco? Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Kernel guide for maemo (and other devel docs)
I suggest that you don't advocate following steps of manual editing of .config files. It is considered as bad practice even though it works. With complete howto, it must be easier. There is linux kernel nutshell for free on the net. Bsd breed use this approach. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] armel-debs.applieddata
Howdy! Any experience with armel-debs.applieddata.net/debian/pool/main ? Would be nice to use some precompiled binaries without bricking the device. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: New list spin-off?
Howdy! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Renamed maemo-developers@maemo.org, no change in subscribers. Or just devel or dev. 770-dev and 800-dev? [EMAIL PROTECTED] New list, interested people need to join. Applications or apps? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Renamed maemo-users@maemo.org, no change in subscribers. For me users would be fine. If it is already set to change. I think that people are going from list to list since they cannot find the answer. Could you tell how many 770s have been sold and how many of them are on the lists? The purpose of the list should be the name. Cause you asked, looks like that developer program made the wave. Be patient and take a look few weeks more, before change anything. Anyway, would it make any move in content, except the name? Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Span filesystem across both SD cards?
This may be a crazy idea, but what possibilities exist to span a single filesystem across the two SD cards, thus presenting a single filesystem to the N800? Not a crazy idea, but you must have a good reason for that. Raid is out of question. Someone should measure memory consumption for this and what modules you have to load. Little bird says you could always buy chip SD card of 100 Gb. (Next decade or sooner.) Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Span filesystem across both SD cards?
And now that I've learned all that much, I created the wrong symlinks: I cp'ed /usr to the MMC, and then made the wrong link: ln -s /media/mmc2/usr /usr. Yes, now I know it should be the reverse way, but do not understand why. That's it! Don't warry about. You have option to symlink whole directory: ln -s /usr/bin /media/mmc2/usr/bin or every particular file per se. Also, if your home is on mmc, add bin directory to the path. Then copy files from /usr/bin to /home/user/bin. My device is just now reflashed. Cool! Have you started to breath again? what to do to be able to install them on the MMC instead of on the 770's internal memory. I expected it as default. My collection is small, but who knows? Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Span filesystem across both SD cards?
That's it! Don't warry about. You have option to symlink whole directory: ln -s /usr/bin /media/mmc2/usr/bin Wrong. ln is like cp: it takes the existing path first, and makes it appear at the destination, which you supply second. You are right. Sebastian should have binaries on mmc and nothing of the same name on internal memory. Then: ln -s /media/mmc2/home/user/bin /usr/bin Sorry to taint the thread. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Sending mail from console
I try to send an email from a console application using the integrated osso-email, but it seems that ist does not have a console mode or a suitable dbus call. Unix pipes have a hard time to work with graphic apps. If I put a mail into apps/email/Mail/Outbox/ using a reengineered filename (something like accountname^Outbox^msgid), the mail is _sometimes_ delivered when calling send_and_receive, but not always. Sometimes the mail is set on hold: I can see it in the Outbox folder of osso-email but I have to manually force the send using the send button. You could write the file in text editor, add headers and send it, if I'm not wrong in this case. Also, login into your smtp server, write the letter and let the server do the rest. Is there a reliable way to insert an email into the internal mail spool? All ways are reliable if the mail is there. The plain file on desktop you may send by ssmtp or similar. It is not available on 770, as I know. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] pyopenssl
Howdy! Does someone use pyopenssl on 770? Any opinion on libssl from command line? Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: kernel modules
Maybe this is just me being thick, but why would you want a firewall if you're not running any services? Why not? And, ports are used every time I do something on the net. Statefull firewall would be the perfect filter for in and out packets. I see implemented iptables as stateless, since it does not fulfils netfilter specs. Some modules are missing. Would be nice if nokia could provide us/me/user with those modules and info, what is changed in this instance. I use ipfw on my box and cannot imagine going in the void w/o this. Some says openbsd ip is even better. So, I like to have my 770 as any other machine, for mail, web, ssh, telnet... I really need firewall for this. Making new environment could be fun, but not now. Why not having repository for kernel modules and libraries for (in this example) scirocco? For some time I will for sure remove some files for localisa- tion, some graphical stuff, when I use only console versions etc. On this place could lay modules I like. When you abandon 770 for good I will recompile the kernel et alia, but no need for it now. Why all of people in nokia opose to firewall? You put it on the box. Lets make it fully functional, please. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: kernel modules
Daniel, iptables is already on 770. It just works like its not. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: OS2006 roadmap
How do you specify WPA2+AES? Under the Security method list in connections setup, I've got WPA pre-shared key or WPA with EAP only. The former. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] kernel modules
I'd like to know if nokia or someone else has repository for modules, rest after kompiling the kernel for os versions? Since the choice of stuff must to stay inside ~64Mb, I'm sure that a lot of it has left aside. Now, when OS2006 goes to no-man-land, it would be nice to have compatible modules for something one will want for a month or two, without bricking the device, as a few people done recompiling the kernel and needed modules. I'm sure that not a box should go in the wild naked, without firewall. Reduced options for iptables on 2.2006.39-14 with living binary make me believe it could be up and well. Just a module or two and detailed manual what is there and what is missing. Native debian credo (save...) is not a way on 770. If you try to desinstall iptables, you can't. It has a mission. So, one who put it in the base could answer and add parts to the system. Not every person wants party on 770. Some wish libraries, till it's not over. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] iptables question
Does someone use iptables on 2.2006.39-14? Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: OS2006 roadmap
Also, there are some bugs left in the 770 OS which only Nokia can fix (like rebooting every 5 minutes when using WPA for wireless) I use wpa2 and aes with no reboot. 2.2006.39-14. I don't see 770 as a bad device, for the same rea- son someone see it like that. It could be trans- formed into little linux box with all perl/python scripts working flawlessly. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: step by step tutorial for developing home applets
Is there a python howto for home applets Oreilly books look the best choice to me. Programming python exspecialy. Even inventor of the language made fine tutorial in digital format. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] socat error
Hi all! Using socat, I try to connect to pop server on port 995. It should support ssl encryption. So, I tried this: socat - openssl:server:995 Socat puts error message in SSL_connect() function. I have libssl installed. Have I missed something? This libssl with libssl-dev is part of openssl. On man page it looks enough. Apt-get to openssl failed, since no such app on the server. What could I do to make encrypted conection on 770? Best regards Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: gethostbyname() ?? Unable to become root
When I try to become root in an xterminal (sudo su -, or sudo gainroot) it often fails and I end up with this error message. unable to lookup Nokia770-39 via gethostbyname() I suspect you have changed hosts file. For the very first line it should be 127.0.0.1 new_box_name localhost This new name should match hostname file. Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] mount problem
Hi all! Sorry to post multiply on the same day. I've found the solution for format problem on os 2.2006.39-14. For some reason, I did think I had mis- tral. It is scirocco, and e2fsprogs installed with apt-get, from maemo repository. Mkfs.ext3 made it as I wanted. Now, I cannot mount this partition. The command get error: mount -t ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p3 /media/depot Nothing verbose. Permissions to depot directory are 755, owner is user and group first users, then root. Finaly, I tried to load ext3 module. The path is not known, since insmod looks in /lib/modules directory. Is there something I overlooked? I could try to format the partition again, but it doesn't look like culprit. I think I have to add library path. But what and where? I'll post data if needed. Best regards Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] further formating (was: mmc, one more time)
Hi all! I'm proud to say that I survived partitioning of mmc card with built in sfdisk. Making vfat and swap works like a charm. One thing stops me: cannot install e2fsprogs. Version 1.37 in repository.maemo.org/pool is wrong, as error massage says. What server should I put as source for it? I could apt-get them, I could dpkg them, just what to fetch? And, curious; is it safe to delete di- rectory MyDocs with all those files? Best regards Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] mmc, one more time
This topic is crunched million times; and I have stranded with repartition on os 2006, believe it or not. All docs look outdated, for os 2005. Intention is to make vfat-swap-ext3 on rs-mmc. I've found mkswap and mkfs.vfat on the gadget. Could manage to connect 770 via usb to my bsd box and use it's fdisk to make partitions. But, no way to make ext3, since it is not native bsd fs. Have I missed an option, something like mkfs -ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p3? Is cfdisk (or fdisk) part of toolset at reposi- tory? I'd like to avoid using other computers and os, if possible to do it as standalone. Btw, the batery indicator shows my 770 is always full. Would be fine, but not true, I think. Best regards Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Shutting down Hildon etc to run empty X serverand one app
Yes, something like this *might* be possible. I'm right now looking into similar hacks to get some kind of a kiosk-mode on one 770 I found laying around. I will write more about my findings bit later. It's entirely possible, but you have to disable the lifeguard reset. I run bare X servers (or Xomap + matchbox) for testing all the time. It'd be great. Personaly, I would like to get rid of graphical apps and replace them with console based. (I know, none will buy it in the store, looking like that.) Also, some kind of handbook (like freebsd one) on current topics could ease further posting to the list. Best regards Zoran ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
