Re: Download statistics
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 09:37 +0100, Niels Breet wrote: On Wed, March 17, 2010 20:27, Cornelius Hald wrote: Nothing wrong with communicating such a change, though. I sometimes need a post-commit hook which sends a mail to the list, it seems :) Wouldn't be bad :) I was just feeling stupid, because suddenly everything worked as expected and I thought I did report a non-issue. Anyways, thanks for fixing it! Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Download statistics
On Wed, March 17, 2010 20:27, Cornelius Hald wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 19:58 +0100, Thomas Waelti wrote: Ok, that sounds good. Is app karma documented somewhere? I can only find this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Karma_for_applications Yes, http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma In fact, it's even nicely linked from your profile page Karma :-) That is karma for people. We were talking about karma for applications. The karma for applications discussion was on this list, google should know. BTW, thanks Niels for silently fixing the Popular link. It's now pointing to http://maemo.org/downloads/score/Maemo5/25/ instead of http://maemo.org/downloads/downloads/Maemo5/25/ which makes a huge difference. Sorry, doing many things at the same time so I forgot to answer your mail. That link was obviously a bug that needed to be fixed. Thanks for noticing. Nothing wrong with communicating such a change, though. I sometimes need a post-commit hook which sends a mail to the list, it seems :) Conny -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Download statistics
Hi, it's great to have nicely working download statistics now! I'm just wondering, what they are counting? Only downloads from Extras or also from Extras-testing and Extras-devel? I assume it's only Extras, but I'm a bit unsure because downloads are spiking during the last days and I've only updated -devel versions. Another thing: The graphs for OS2008 software are stuck in the middle of January, whereas the graphs for Maemo5 show the middle of March. However the Last updated information for both is 2010-03-16. Thanks! Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Download statistics
On Wed, March 17, 2010 10:01, Cornelius Hald wrote: Hi, it's great to have nicely working download statistics now! I'm just wondering, what they are counting? Only downloads from Extras or also from Extras-testing and Extras-devel? I assume it's only Extras, but I'm a bit unsure because downloads are spiking during the last days and I've only updated -devel versions. It combines data for your package from all repositories. Another thing: The graphs for OS2008 software are stuck in the middle of January, whereas the graphs for Maemo5 show the middle of March. However the Last updated information for both is 2010-03-16. That data is actually updated too. But the download figures are very low. The graph only shows when there are real data points. Doesn't fill in the days where there are no downloads. Check omweather for instance, there you see data every day. Although the numbers are low. Thanks! Conny - Niels ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Download statistics
On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 10:43 +0100, Niels Breet wrote: It combines data for your package from all repositories. Ok, this explains the spikes I'm currently seeing. Check omweather for instance, there you see data every day. Although the numbers are low. Ok, I see. Thanks for explaining. Would it be possible to give finer grained data to the developers? We don't have to show that on the Downloads page, but it would be nice if we could get downloads of an individual version in a specific repository. That way I could see how many end users (extras) download my application and whether or not downloads are increasing with each version. Also I could see how many people actually using -devel releases etc. Also using the current download count for the Popular section of Downloads seems a bit unfair then. Shouldn't it be at least downloads/num_of_releases? Or better downloads_from_extras/num_of_releases? The way it is now, an application that pushes updates every day gets way more downloads than an application with updates every month and that even if the end users never see those updates because they have been to extras-devel. I realize this is probably a lot of work. But I think having finer grained statistics would be really useful. What do other think? Cheers! Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Download statistics
Alberto Mardegan wrote: Cornelius Hald wrote: Also using the current download count for the Popular section of Downloads seems a bit unfair then. Shouldn't it be at least downloads/num_of_releases? Or better downloads_from_extras/num_of_releases? I don't think it's possible to know whether it is a new download, or an update. No, I don´t think either. But if we get numbers for each release, we could see something like: Ver Downl. 0.2 1000 0.3 1200 0.4 1300 0.5 700 0.6 200 This would at least show, that with version 0.5 people have somehow lost interest. Maybe I´ve made some radical UI changes that most people don´t like. Or maybe there is another (better) tool for the same task, etc... But maybe limiting the download count for the packages downloaded from Extras only makes more sense. I would think so. I´m often releasing to extras-devel with really minimal changes - often primary to test something for myself. Other people who have extras-devel activated, will receive this updates as well but often it´s just too unimportant to count those as official downloads. But I like the idea that a package with more frequent releases gets more visibility than others. :-) That could still be possible. We could have Most frequently updated packages or something. We could also use the number of releases for the popularity rating. But I think the numbers first should be separated. For example: * AppA 20 releases with 20.000 total downloads. First release 1 year ago. * AppB 2 releases with 5.000 total downloads. First release 1 month ago. Which application is more popular? Which has more downloads? This shows, that is is especially unfair to young applications. If we would have downloads/releases the situation would look differently: * AppA: 1.000 average downloads * AppB: 2.500 average downloads Also, if we want to use the number of releases for popularity or something similar, we could set them in relation to time on market. Having something like average number of releases in the last month. I think it would make the statistics between old and new applications more comparable and it could encourage community members to invest more in their young project if they can see that they basically have the same user base as, for example, omweather. Cheers! Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Download statistics
On Wed, March 17, 2010 12:58, Cornelius Hald wrote: Alberto Mardegan wrote: Cornelius Hald wrote: Also using the current download count for the Popular section of Downloads seems a bit unfair then. Shouldn't it be at least downloads/num_of_releases? Or better downloads_from_extras/num_of_releases? I don't think it's possible to know whether it is a new download, or an update. No, I don´t think either. But if we get numbers for each release, we could see something like: Ver Downl. 0.2 1000 0.3 1200 0.4 1300 0.5 700 0.6 200 This would at least show, that with version 0.5 people have somehow lost interest. Maybe I´ve made some radical UI changes that most people don´t like. Or maybe there is another (better) tool for the same task, etc... Lot of work, there are other more important things to fix first. Statistics are nice to look at every once in a while, other than that.. There is this saying about lies. But maybe limiting the download count for the packages downloaded from Extras only makes more sense. Which application is more popular? Which has more downloads? This shows, that is is especially unfair to young applications. This is why we have app karma, which drives the Popular list. If you look that design discussion up, you'll see that we use _relative_ download change, comments and ratings on a daily basis. Popular certainly doesn't show the most downloaded apps. Cheers! Conny - Niels ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Download statistics
Niels Breet wrote: Lot of work, there are other more important things to fix first. Statistics are nice to look at every once in a while, other than that.. There is this saying about lies. When I was starting with maemo development, I also found it a source of motivation. This is why we have app karma, which drives the Popular list. If you look that design discussion up, you'll see that we use _relative_ download change, comments and ratings on a daily basis. Ok, that sounds good. Is app karma documented somewhere? I can only find this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Karma_for_applications Popular certainly doesn't show the most downloaded apps. Hmm, well... partially. If you look at the Downloads start page, it looks like Hot/Popular is sorted by app karma. But if you follow the Popular link[1], you get the 25 most downloaded applications. No app karma there. Cheers! Conny [1] http://maemo.org/downloads/downloads/Maemo5/25 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Download statistics
Ok, that sounds good. Is app karma documented somewhere? I can only find this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Karma_for_applications Yes, http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma In fact, it's even nicely linked from your profile page Karma :-) Happy hacking -Tom ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Download statistics
On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 19:58 +0100, Thomas Waelti wrote: Ok, that sounds good. Is app karma documented somewhere? I can only find this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Karma_for_applications Yes, http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma In fact, it's even nicely linked from your profile page Karma :-) That is karma for people. We were talking about karma for applications. BTW, thanks Niels for silently fixing the Popular link. It's now pointing to http://maemo.org/downloads/score/Maemo5/25/ instead of http://maemo.org/downloads/downloads/Maemo5/25/ which makes a huge difference. Nothing wrong with communicating such a change, though. Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
download statistics and package changes
Hi, Is the download statistics going to be enabled again? For a month now, I see that it can take two weeks to get statistics. Also, at least for kmplayer, the changes on http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/kmplayer/ are updated to the changes from the package in extras-(devel/testing) and not the one that is in extras. Br Koos ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
